Coney :) thanks for watching this one, too!! For the record that one clip IS actually PM, this was the first time I sourced the community for clips & someone told me it was vanilla Brawl with a visual mod(it was NOT vanilla Brawl with a visual mod) never trusting anyone again, first month on youtube and I already got people sabotaging me
The one I was surprised wasn’t mentioned was Snake's grenade jank. When snake pulled a second grenade and shield dropped it, it would halt all movement of the first grenade, even when in someone else's hand. You could strip the grenade out of the opponent's hand, which would sometimes make it risky to approach with a grenade because he could make you drop it, and if you input a toss you may throw out an aerial and blow up the grenade. Smashville plat canceling was also crazy
Plus the Squirtle shellshifting, which is essentially a super wave dash, specifically good for up smash, in addition to the Donkey Kong and Sonic slant invincibility Coney mentioned. I miss Smash bros tech, I hope Brawlternative, as the main voice of Brawl now, does show the bright side of Brawl rather than just shit on it like everyone else.
The fact that he STARTED the list with Peach bonewalking/free-pulling made me know it was gonna be a real trip down memory lane, it's easily one of the most useful but niche feeling advanced techs in the game.
8:53 I actually have a friend who was doing QACs on the E3 demo of Smash 4 in front of the Nintendo employees. He was so proud of himself and thought it was cool, then he talked to the Nintendo employees about it. When Smash 4 actually came out, he couldn't do it anymore. He has a theory that he got Pikachu nerfed before the game came out.
Honestly, I've never rlly watched much of these types of videos outside of the confines of this channel, but I go out of my way to watch brawlternative now, he's so entertaining and interesting! The snake ditto one is also fantastic!
Not a tech, but maybe my favorite glitch in Brawl was the Puff Bridge of Eldin glitch, where if you used Puff's FS after the bridge crumbles and while it's rebuilding, you retain Puff's FS size but with normal moves Absolutely no practical application, but extremely funny As a bonus, if you ate Puff with Yoshi in this state, the egg would multiply Puff's size even farther
I used to kinda resent Melee heads for hating on the games Brawl and after, but watching a few Melee heads (Moky in particular) who explained what they look for in platform fighters I realized that the difference is truly just in philosophy. Melee players want a deep game that lets you see your growth clearly and feel good implementing what you learn. I still resent the notion that the other smash games are “objectively worse” because they break down that wall and make it more accessible for those who aren’t willing to commit their lives to a game that deep, but whatever.
Personally part of the frustration that I have with certain kinds of games is often that the "perfect game" for me in a genre doesn't exist, and if future titles or patches for the game only bring it further away that can be infuriating. Especially if they actually get closer, but neuter my favorite character (see: smash ultimate and marth) or make design decisions that make it less fun to play because of what makes the meta characters strong (see: again, ultimate). I wonder how many melee heads can relate to that as part of their reasoning there. (I'm not one of them, to be clear.)
@@tenacity25I actually really relate to that, and im mostly and Ultimate player. I think Ulrimate fixes so much of 4’s problems but also removes a lot of stuff I appreciated like footstool tech. I also freaking hate the short hop macro. Character wise, I adored Roy in Melee (you can tell I wasn’t particularly competitive lol) but Brawl removed him and when he was added back in Smash 4 I was so sad. He just didn’t feel the same. I think Melee players likely feel that way about the games that do try and emulate Melee’s depth, but don’t present characters they appreciate as much. Ps: PM Roy is amazing btw, like top 5 platform fighter characters ever for me. He’s Melee Roy but good.
As someone who plays melee, its not really just about the depth, but the feel of the game. I literally feel like my character, rather than puppeting a character because of how precise you can be. And because of the way the engine naturally is, decisions feel more organic rather than trying to play a characters tight gameplan that feels pre-constructed. Like 2 mains of the same character can look so different because of those little things. In other games it feels more like "aw, I can't do that," rather than "wait I can do that??" Not saying other games don't have it, but usually it's through stuff that feels pre-constructed where it's not satisfying to discover, or a character has some sort of complex mechanic stacked on top that makes it feel less loose. Its 100% just preference, and there are characters and things that I love about other games, but usually it never meshes as a whole. Personally I love every smash game, and the genre of platfighters but melee is just my preferred choice.
@@Gamesforus1 Moky actually mentioned that, too, just with less emphasis. He described Ultimate as “getting into the car right away and not really being able to steer.” Because there are fewer ways to be expressive and precise. I think that’s quite true, I mean, you can tell Moky from Cody from Aklo pretty much instantly if you’re decently versed in their play-styles, which I think is still true for, say Leo vs Omega with Joker, but certainly not to the same degree. That’s why I still love the heck out melee as a spectator.
Brawl is exactly that, a deep game with a steep learning curve where you feel good applying what you've learned or discovered. As in melee, high-level Brawl competition is visibly different from mid-level; you can often see great players executing tech consistently that good players can't. It's for this and many other reasons that upsets were always rare in Brawl. And as in any smash game, some characters are higher APM and more technical than others. There's a good selection in Brawl for different kinds of players.
The part about Pit's arrow reminded me of an old Brawl TAS video by versat13 called "[SSBB]Part0.84[TAS]", a well-edited TAS that's just a slugfest between Falcon, Pit, Kirby, and Marth, and it ended with some wild shenanigan's involving Pit's arrows, including hitting Falcon with 3 arrows at nearly the same time. Crazy fun video and channel.
11:43 I’ve seen that happen in ult once. Neither of us expected it so there was no punish or anything but I do remember it slightly but definitely noticeably taking a longer time for ivysaur to come in.
I love brawl peach because the only time I played brawl was when a friend of a friend bought brawl when we were haning out even tho smash 4 was definitely out, and I first picked meta knight because I thought he looked cool, caped around and lost, and then i played the guy who brought it who thought he was hot shit 1v1 and I played peach vs his meta knight because I played a little bit of peach in smash 4 and I slaughtered him and he johned out of his mind.
coney I had a dream yesterday that you were reacting to horrible violent videos like it was react wars, like someone got trampled graphically like a horse and you just laughed mightilly and then gave it a 3. after that the video autoplayed to you playing infinite craft, and you accidentilly made something called "flawful" which I thought was uneccecarily funny. I dont know if the dream is funny or concerning because I wasnt even watching you or anything while falling asleep
Judo here again. Bro I am an encyclopedia on brawl tech. There is a bunch of stuff not in the video! Also I used chain jacket in tournament from time to time. It actually answers planking pretty well.
I like to set up chain jacket near the ledge and use it either to edgeguard or cover every getup option... I find its usefulness super MU dependent, but the fsmash one is pretty strong, and it doesn't get stale until you cancel it!
@@maxpower7612 fsmash is definitely the strongest. But the best one is actually dsmash. In the video they showed the back hitbox. But the front one is actually really far in front of her, like 2 bowser lengths on front.
@@AlanMcClure-zu5cd that is true, I use the dsmash one specifically for that extra range. Usmash jacket actually reaches decently far below her; its horizontal reach would be good too, but the hitboxes are in the Z-axis lol
You could use Kirby down B to cancel your momentum as well. It took a bit to come out, but then you just immediately stopped and went down. Also, I've gotten the funniest and best pictures in Brawl, never has any other smash game come close with those. The jank is real.
11:40 Back in the day I didn't know how to spot dodge specifically against Tabuu's triple circle wave attack that you have to spot dodge and I was trying to do Boss Battle mode so what I did was pick Pokemon Trainer or Zelda and swap when that attack came out and my Wii was so slow that Zelda and Pokemon Trainer would take the entire attack's duration and some change to actually swap while being invulnerable and that's how I beat Boss Battle mode for like 5 years until I went back after Brawl was old news with the knowledge to actually spot dodge and dogwalked Tabuu because I could pick actually good characters now that I knew how to play and didn't only play for this 1 gamemode.
When discussing differences in US vs japanese rankings we always have to keep in mind that they dont really play for money, whereas here in the US we play like its for money even when its not. The point of a tier list is to inform outsiders what characters get the most mileage, which is very important in a culture where monetary incentives are in play
There's a really old video somewhere out there that has me trying to explain chain jacket to the best of my ability, I didn't upload it, but I wonder if I could find it. Technique was way better with items tbh.
I was a lucas main in brawl, I miss psi magnet pulls and pk fire super jumps. XD so broken. Also I swear pit had an Obscure AT called like angel step or something, where you would input an uptilt on a very specific frame of his startup walk (like the 2nd and a half step) and he would get a weird boost of movement. But I can never seem to find a video or clip of this.
Bro Coney ngl, you like me bro tryna explain your peach tech. You're not like that no more brawl is OVER 😭😭. Same with me in Ultimate saying im nasty cuz of brawl shit. Im unknown but i used to box with salem, kain, FOW, in the online XAT clans under a diff name
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Coney :) thanks for watching this one, too!! For the record that one clip IS actually PM, this was the first time I sourced the community for clips & someone told me it was vanilla Brawl with a visual mod(it was NOT vanilla Brawl with a visual mod) never trusting anyone again, first month on youtube and I already got people sabotaging me
You cant trust people anymore
You can trust my clips brawlternatives, i definitely wouldn’t sabotage you *wink*
People just don’t want to see Brawl succeed. But I definitely do. Love your videos and watching Coney watch your videos
Coney’s face when the chatter said “Waddle Don’t” is fucking priceless 17:01
He turned off his commentary voice too. Like bro straight up became someone else
Coney got his "You are Coney. We HAVE to know" moment.
I lost it at shrinking in his seat and folding the arms. He did not look ready for that one.
Big Key fan. Very cool Dedede player....
KEY LETS GOOO
Showering???
+2
Word
The most underrated technique of them all
@@clock3799yep
You win best comment
Hey I’m the guy who mentioned the combo video name! We’re definitely getting a picture at SSC LOOOOL
A true OG right here
KeySSB jumpscare
YOOO IS THAT KEY???
Give us Waddle Don't. We must know.
All I remember about Waddle Don't was that it was set to Zodiaccupuncture
The one I was surprised wasn’t mentioned was Snake's grenade jank. When snake pulled a second grenade and shield dropped it, it would halt all movement of the first grenade, even when in someone else's hand. You could strip the grenade out of the opponent's hand, which would sometimes make it risky to approach with a grenade because he could make you drop it, and if you input a toss you may throw out an aerial and blow up the grenade.
Smashville plat canceling was also crazy
Plus the Squirtle shellshifting, which is essentially a super wave dash, specifically good for up smash, in addition to the Donkey Kong and Sonic slant invincibility Coney mentioned.
I miss Smash bros tech, I hope Brawlternative, as the main voice of Brawl now, does show the bright side of Brawl rather than just shit on it like everyone else.
For those who are curious, the Aesop Rock song was "Zodiaccupuncture" from the criminally underrated EP _Fast Cars, Danger, Fire and Knives_
lol
somehow simultaneously the least fitting and most fitting aes track to pick from
The fact that he STARTED the list with Peach bonewalking/free-pulling made me know it was gonna be a real trip down memory lane, it's easily one of the most useful but niche feeling advanced techs in the game.
15:18 Wario's spaghetti coded bike is so great to watch
YOOOP
Bro HOW it's been out for 5 minutes my guy
@@hari-krishnakoipallil8436 Bro it was streamed maybe 2 weeks ago my guy
@@hari-krishnakoipallil8436 Bro it was streamed maybe 2 weeks ago my guy
I’m so glad Brawl content is making its way back into the youtube sphere. Obscure tech is so awesome and CONEY really adds a lot to these videos
"I would call it cerebral, maybe thoughtful" -Coney's review of Brawl in 2024
8:53 I actually have a friend who was doing QACs on the E3 demo of Smash 4 in front of the Nintendo employees. He was so proud of himself and thought it was cool, then he talked to the Nintendo employees about it. When Smash 4 actually came out, he couldn't do it anymore. He has a theory that he got Pikachu nerfed before the game came out.
i hope this is that “coney discovers wobbling and uses it in unranked melee” video that was joked about like a year ago
I thought slippi patched it out of unranked.
@@YOSSARIAN313they did
I love being one brawlternative video ahead of Coney (or his TH-cam uploads at least) at all times
Honestly, I've never rlly watched much of these types of videos outside of the confines of this channel, but I go out of my way to watch brawlternative now, he's so entertaining and interesting! The snake ditto one is also fantastic!
Not a tech, but maybe my favorite glitch in Brawl was the Puff Bridge of Eldin glitch, where if you used Puff's FS after the bridge crumbles and while it's rebuilding, you retain Puff's FS size but with normal moves
Absolutely no practical application, but extremely funny
As a bonus, if you ate Puff with Yoshi in this state, the egg would multiply Puff's size even farther
The description says Brawltastic when the channel name is actually Brawlternative ICANT
I used to kinda resent Melee heads for hating on the games Brawl and after, but watching a few Melee heads (Moky in particular) who explained what they look for in platform fighters I realized that the difference is truly just in philosophy. Melee players want a deep game that lets you see your growth clearly and feel good implementing what you learn. I still resent the notion that the other smash games are “objectively worse” because they break down that wall and make it more accessible for those who aren’t willing to commit their lives to a game that deep, but whatever.
Personally part of the frustration that I have with certain kinds of games is often that the "perfect game" for me in a genre doesn't exist, and if future titles or patches for the game only bring it further away that can be infuriating. Especially if they actually get closer, but neuter my favorite character (see: smash ultimate and marth) or make design decisions that make it less fun to play because of what makes the meta characters strong (see: again, ultimate).
I wonder how many melee heads can relate to that as part of their reasoning there. (I'm not one of them, to be clear.)
@@tenacity25I actually really relate to that, and im mostly and Ultimate player. I think Ulrimate fixes so much of 4’s problems but also removes a lot of stuff I appreciated like footstool tech. I also freaking hate the short hop macro. Character wise, I adored Roy in Melee (you can tell I wasn’t particularly competitive lol) but Brawl removed him and when he was added back in Smash 4 I was so sad. He just didn’t feel the same. I think Melee players likely feel that way about the games that do try and emulate Melee’s depth, but don’t present characters they appreciate as much.
Ps: PM Roy is amazing btw, like top 5 platform fighter characters ever for me. He’s Melee Roy but good.
As someone who plays melee, its not really just about the depth, but the feel of the game. I literally feel like my character, rather than puppeting a character because of how precise you can be. And because of the way the engine naturally is, decisions feel more organic rather than trying to play a characters tight gameplan that feels pre-constructed. Like 2 mains of the same character can look so different because of those little things. In other games it feels more like "aw, I can't do that," rather than "wait I can do that??" Not saying other games don't have it, but usually it's through stuff that feels pre-constructed where it's not satisfying to discover, or a character has some sort of complex mechanic stacked on top that makes it feel less loose. Its 100% just preference, and there are characters and things that I love about other games, but usually it never meshes as a whole. Personally I love every smash game, and the genre of platfighters but melee is just my preferred choice.
@@Gamesforus1 Moky actually mentioned that, too, just with less emphasis. He described Ultimate as “getting into the car right away and not really being able to steer.” Because there are fewer ways to be expressive and precise. I think that’s quite true, I mean, you can tell Moky from Cody from Aklo pretty much instantly if you’re decently versed in their play-styles, which I think is still true for, say Leo vs Omega with Joker, but certainly not to the same degree. That’s why I still love the heck out melee as a spectator.
Brawl is exactly that, a deep game with a steep learning curve where you feel good applying what you've learned or discovered. As in melee, high-level Brawl competition is visibly different from mid-level; you can often see great players executing tech consistently that good players can't. It's for this and many other reasons that upsets were always rare in Brawl.
And as in any smash game, some characters are higher APM and more technical than others. There's a good selection in Brawl for different kinds of players.
The part about Pit's arrow reminded me of an old Brawl TAS video by versat13 called "[SSBB]Part0.84[TAS]", a well-edited TAS that's just a slugfest between Falcon, Pit, Kirby, and Marth, and it ended with some wild shenanigan's involving Pit's arrows, including hitting Falcon with 3 arrows at nearly the same time. Crazy fun video and channel.
11:43 I’ve seen that happen in ult once. Neither of us expected it so there was no punish or anything but I do remember it slightly but definitely noticeably taking a longer time for ivysaur to come in.
1:17 chat spamming Doki is live ICANT they're so real for that
the nana grenade throw kill is soo fuckin coooooollll thats the best thing ive seen in any smash game ever
17:40 Bermuda Triangle DI. They're never seen again.
8:39 yeah I bet those Ikes would make up some bs like, "It's about positioning. I take them to the corner."
Best react video I’ve seen in a while because it’s not often you get a TH-camr covering topics that they should be covering.
definitely was the triforce of power
More games need flying orphans.
Binding of isaac
Batman series (argueably)
Lilith from borderlands?
Lucas jump was awesome I used to do it all the time vs my cousins and they would trip out and love it 🔥 💯
Brawltastic the goat, please keep reacting to his vids
I love brawl peach because the only time I played brawl was when a friend of a friend bought brawl when we were haning out even tho smash 4 was definitely out, and I first picked meta knight because I thought he looked cool, caped around and lost, and then i played the guy who brought it who thought he was hot shit 1v1 and I played peach vs his meta knight because I played a little bit of peach in smash 4 and I slaughtered him and he johned out of his mind.
6:40 “VORE STREAM”
12:48 the one time in smash history where Mario’s cape was actually faithful to its SMW origin LMAO
Been loving Brawlternative's videos and how it has Coney returning to his roots
Love how half of these sre complete nostalgia trips for coney and half of them bring up old salt😂
Coney out here bustin out the dictionary for his retaliations. I haven't heard someone use the word Philistine since No More Heroes 2
i have no meaningful input and yet i feel the need to comment because i was here mere moments after the video was published
coney I had a dream yesterday that you were reacting to horrible violent videos like it was react wars, like someone got trampled graphically like a horse and you just laughed mightilly and then gave it a 3. after that the video autoplayed to you playing infinite craft, and you accidentilly made something called "flawful" which I thought was uneccecarily funny. I dont know if the dream is funny or concerning because I wasnt even watching you or anything while falling asleep
he peeped the horror like jerma
The Lucas superjump was one of my favorite tricks to pull out with my friends to suprise them.
One of very few videos featured on this channel that I watched on the OG channel first
Judo here again. Bro I am an encyclopedia on brawl tech. There is a bunch of stuff not in the video!
Also I used chain jacket in tournament from time to time. It actually answers planking pretty well.
I like to set up chain jacket near the ledge and use it either to edgeguard or cover every getup option... I find its usefulness super MU dependent, but the fsmash one is pretty strong, and it doesn't get stale until you cancel it!
@@maxpower7612 fsmash is definitely the strongest. But the best one is actually dsmash. In the video they showed the back hitbox. But the front one is actually really far in front of her, like 2 bowser lengths on front.
@@AlanMcClure-zu5cd that is true, I use the dsmash one specifically for that extra range. Usmash jacket actually reaches decently far below her; its horizontal reach would be good too, but the hitboxes are in the Z-axis lol
Can’t that one crash the game?
@@shady8045 yea, if its the first chain of the game it always crashes.
You could use Kirby down B to cancel your momentum as well. It took a bit to come out, but then you just immediately stopped and went down.
Also, I've gotten the funniest and best pictures in Brawl, never has any other smash game come close with those. The jank is real.
Ness's yo-yo always causing problems
these are some of my favorite videos pls do more!
These videos AND Coney reactions are must watches
The ancient Coney shoutout in the ness tech video, insane
11:40 Back in the day I didn't know how to spot dodge specifically against Tabuu's triple circle wave attack that you have to spot dodge and I was trying to do Boss Battle mode so what I did was pick Pokemon Trainer or Zelda and swap when that attack came out and my Wii was so slow that Zelda and Pokemon Trainer would take the entire attack's duration and some change to actually swap while being invulnerable and that's how I beat Boss Battle mode for like 5 years until I went back after Brawl was old news with the knowledge to actually spot dodge and dogwalked Tabuu because I could pick actually good characters now that I knew how to play and didn't only play for this 1 gamemode.
coney going through brawlternatives channel and chipping in with his own anecdotes and experience might be generational
I love that coney sounds like a carnival barker from the 50's in all of his videos
18:49 Dude I remember doing that on one of my stage builder maps
When discussing differences in US vs japanese rankings we always have to keep in mind that they dont really play for money, whereas here in the US we play like its for money even when its not. The point of a tier list is to inform outsiders what characters get the most mileage, which is very important in a culture where monetary incentives are in play
They put marth at tenth though no culture difference is explaining that shit
There's a really old video somewhere out there that has me trying to explain chain jacket to the best of my ability, I didn't upload it, but I wonder if I could find it.
Technique was way better with items tbh.
I was a lucas main in brawl, I miss psi magnet pulls and pk fire super jumps. XD so broken. Also I swear pit had an Obscure AT called like angel step or something, where you would input an uptilt on a very specific frame of his startup walk (like the 2nd and a half step) and he would get a weird boost of movement. But I can never seem to find a video or clip of this.
Take a shot each time Coney says: "I completely forgot about this‼️"
i was a dedede main in brawl and 'waddle dont' sounds familiar from my teenage years too...
I think what I like about Coney is that he has the same energy as Iago from Aladdinn. The Gilbert Gottfried version specifically.
That lurker pulling a Narduar tho
I remember the Link gale boomerang one but even as a young kid I knew it was pointless unless maybe the person is really bad at recovering
The underrated brawl channel
Is there any other fighting game where you have a list of banned gameplay mechanics? The competitive scene for smash is held together by duct tape.
omg a brawl video to start the month. coney really is an ally
Coney mentioning Aesop Rock was not on my BINGO card 👴
Hahahaha, I used to do the Pit arrows in rain to my friends xD
Guess what they brought back Dong Dong never die
5:57 the SD caught me way off guard
Sonic on Yoshi's Brawl was lit
The buffer uptilt is only if they mash and is still a thing in ultimate lol
My little brother figured out the Flight of Ganon and refused to tell anyone how it worked.
"he'll probably be at 25k by the time this video comes out"
*oh my god he's almost at 40k*
My boy Kirby uses his final smash!
I love that half the tech was written off by Coney just saying "Yeah it looks cool but it's not practical"
Editor F skipping the Pitt tech intro at 7:00
Like what is even happening?
Thoughtful 🤔
Could you theoretically use the chain jacket after using an item? Like baseball bat?
I remember when i was playing pkmn trainer and i switch out squirtle, and NO KIDDING my wii just straight out freeze just by doing that
Hit Nana?!!!
Snake: frame 1 get off me
Nana: Buffer frame 0, -1. "No"
Speaking of old brawl videos, does anyone remember MALR?
While I will forever joke about Coney being the ultimate/tr4sh version of ludwig seeing him get more and more popular has been really cool.
I kind of miss Brawl. Was a bit of a mess? Absolutely, but it is so fun
I am screaming into the void! What is the name of the video the Coney uses as a reaction with the guy in water getting launched
brawlternative is making new videos faster then Coney can react to them
Why is coney so antagonistic to this youtuber lol. Is this his secret way to grow this guy's channel?
Bro Coney ngl, you like me bro tryna explain your peach tech. You're not like that no more brawl is OVER 😭😭. Same with me in Ultimate saying im nasty cuz of brawl shit. Im unknown but i used to box with salem, kain, FOW, in the online XAT clans under a diff name
Remember when they tried "HUP" cancelling
looking good today Coney
Fellas!
since when does Mr.Coney talk about Smash Bros?
I love coney more now that i know he made a montage to aesop rock
we love Skunch
The buttons still aren't lighting up lmao
idk if coney knows that you can do that lucas tech in ultimate with ness
LETS GO THIS WAS MY FIRST STREAM 💀
super smash brothers
Low key
He forgot about the tech were you just lose the game if you pick Gannon
11:30 I tried to blow the hair off the right of my screen
Description says Brawltastic, not Brawlternative, whoopsie
Yoshi players really thought they were the hottest shit, goofyass 'dragonic reverse'
You should see the shot put does 18 video
WADDLE DONT MENTIONED
I want to like this video, but Coney uses light mode for youtube so i cant
I go to a weekly every sunday, and my girst time getting top 8 happened only to get 3-0 by luigi.
I hate that he is just the grab man, shit is NOT FUN