Link had a good enough jump that it doesn’t matter. That move is better used as a get off me attack plus it kills. It’s like jigglypuffs up b, it’s purpose is not to get you to the ledge it’s part of an attack
Even when they gave Luigi's dash attack a final hitbox in brawl the move was still really bad in brawl and smash 4, and then finally got buffed in ultimate.
Yeah seems like in Ultimate they changed their design philosophy and decided that it’s not actually fun to have useless moves, that’s why we see so many long time trash moves made viable; Rob side b, Luigi DA, Ness and Lucas b, and many more went from being trash in all the older games to being good in ult.
@@charKT-7461 OK that's basically the only one that's actually shit. Even Jigg's rollout is actually usable as a tech chase tool and a recovery mixup now.
that's the developers trying to "balance" the rosters by "fixing" broken/top tier characters by nerfing and ruining them (see higher tier characters in Melee to Brawl)
"Every single spike in the game" Indeed you get spiked and you're pretty much dead. Shoutout to DK's who has a MASSIVE one that I swear that can still strike you if you're above him
Maybe my favorite video game of all time. So many memories growing up playing this with my brother. Break the Targets and Board the Platforms are GOATed for real
Ness having a foot hitbox on the first hit of his jab in melee, Snake’s U-Tilt from Brawl, ALL of little mac’s aerials from SSB4 onward, Dedede’s D-tilt and B-air from SSB4, way too many examples to explain here.
Outside of the puff section, hbox just feels like a kid who didn't prepare his presentation. Just agreeing with everything on screen. "Yes, no side b." "Oh yeah, hitstun." "Mhm, fox with falco laser"
I love how he watched “64 is broken” before “Melee is broken” he doesn’t want to see that video 😂 Fun fact: Melee is broken was actually the first video that Heew uploaded of his “smash is broken” Series, which makes kinda ironic that it could be the last one Hbox will watch lol
It would be useful in 64 since there’s no parries, massive shield hitstun, and rolling would put you towards or away from your opponent. So having a spot dodge would help.
That last failed link recovery was due to him having his back toward the stage. Was it brawl that made characters able to grab the ledge with their backs turned? Also, if I'm not mistaken, DK's grab could be infinite on kirby specifically...
in melee you could grab the ledge with your back to it but it is not free. the biggest problem is link can't do turnaround up-B, while several other characters can. DK can do it by charging his punch with side-B to change direction, then cancelling it asap and up-B
You. I _LIKE_ you. You think like I do. Pure chaos. Pure mayhem. Constant slaughter. Combos for days. Single mistake means death. Skill mandatory to survive.
Developers: So how much hitstun should we add in this game? Nintendo: Yes "This is how far we've come" With each Smash 64 matchup we watch, we stray further from the light
Now the games barely have enough to do combos at all. I mean some are true but you really gotta work for them. The rest are reads and situational. Ionn like it
Most inconsistent thing in Smash 64 is the fact that jump height is affected by the stick position + button. Jumping with stick is usually much higher than holding a side + c button, unless you aren't using the stick at all.
@@AspectCave I'm kind of inactive yeah, I'm mainly focused on competitive melee now, but who knows what will happen in the future. I really appreciate your reply, have a good day :)
@@CronoNes That's not inconsistent though. You can tap a c button for a short hop consistently and use the stick to go for higher jumps to mix things up very slightly.
This was my first Smash game, even though I first played in 2009, I never played Melee but got Brawl in 2010 with Mario Kart Wii. It's amazing to see how much Nintendo improved(but bring back busted Kirby)
Sakurai probably over-tuned Kirby because that's his boy, and then he had to walk it back in later games. Same thing happened with Meta Knight, but worse.
*cut content* Isn’t a thing. It’s the first game for a reason. There was no cut content. It just was added to later games. That’s like saying dACUS is cut content because it didn’t appear in 64
This video started with a MK8 ad with Coconut Mall music playing and then the beginning of the actual video had the same song playing quieter and it just works so well.
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This is what I grew up playing, I’ll always love Smash 64, then melee came out and was the shit for a while. Then ultimate came out and I’m playing smash again. Great to see how far it’s come.
64 is a must play. I played it for my first time, and something about it makes it a truly different smash experience. I don't know if it's the hitstun, the lack of characters, or the lack of moves, but the game seems charming and unique. I had a blast playing it. It's still really fun, and something I'd willingly play over other smash games at times. 64 is truly a different and fun experience.
Wow as a near 30 year old this makes me feel old lol. We felt fortunate this crazy fighting/ platforming party game even existed. Who cares if there was only 8-10 or however many characters, was enough back then... good times. Weird I felt somehow 64 smash was more put together than melee, but that was before learning about & seeing professional smash. And as a Samus main, I hated at the time how different they made Samus (more floaty, difficult to use in melee imo) but ever since a couple years ago or so Melee marth has been my fav... still, have the most nostalgia on 64 smash, played the heck out of it with family compared to the other ones growing up Edit: and what's the point/ exclusivity if half the multiverse is available to play on smash, like in the newest one? Bit too many choices can water down the integrity of the game imo. But to each their own Edit 2: still is sick tho Ridley of all Nintendo characters somehow made it in the game. So I'll give them that
I need to paly SSB64 again, I'm confused because it says "No Up Throw/Down Throw" but then describes Jigglypuff's Up Throw > Rest. How does Jiggly do this, if there's no Up throw?
I was playing Smash 64 with my brother's college roommates once and I picked Link. I got Yoshi egged off the stage, and I mashed fast enough and got to recover with his up-b that everyone thought I was cheating
I been playing smash 64 since I was a fetus. Even won a few locals in my day. But I've never heard of DKs grab release chain xD it's crazy how people are still finding new combos in every smash game
I think that everyone can agree that Luigi's Super Jump Punch aka Uppercut move was broken so much in Smash 64 that it was nerfed pretty hard in Melee. LOL Since It's much more difficult to time and KO opponents with Luigi's Uppercut move from Melee to Smash Ultimate.
Did I miss something or did the Missing moveset part say no up throw or down throw, but then Puff does up throw into rest? I played the heck out of smash 64 as a child but I don't remember it that clearly lol
I wish someone would make a version a ssbu that lets you use every version of a character from all of the games. Hit boxes and mechanics the whole 9 yards
I know I'm late but sing in smash 64 is probably the worst move ever. 1. It works in reverse (lower percent = more time asleep) 2. It cannot cancel at the ledge 3. If the opponent gets caught at the beginning of sing, they can easily mash out of it. 4. The hitbox is really small and is very hard to safely use.
i probably wouldnt have switched over to steve if yoshi still had double jump cancelling. I never played him in melee or 64 but damn it seems so god damn sick. it seems like that would be enough to make yoshi way more viable alone
Still my all time favorite this is what i grew up playing and why i main ness to this day i have no clue what his game is even about but as a kid i assumed if hardest character to unlock must be the best and never stopped playing him somthing about playing ness is just a part of me now i refuse to change he was also one of only 2 characters with double jump cancel then
64 Link's recovery makes Mac's recovery look better in every way
It's not too bad depending on the course (it's just too bad Dreamland is neutral and terrible for Link)
@@jazzabighits4473 what other stage could you play on tho?
@@jstar3382 Link is really good on Hyrule (which used to be tournament legal) and he's pretty good on Sector Z as well
@@jstar3382 I think it’s the only legal stage but Kongo Jungle should be legal in my opinion
And Mac Has A Wall Jump!
Me seeing links recovery: "little mac looking wild back in the day"
Link's recovery in 64 makes Little Mac's recovery in Ultimate look like Brawl Meta Knight's.
Have you seen peanut's little Mac recovery
Link had a good enough jump that it doesn’t matter. That move is better used as a get off me attack plus it kills. It’s like jigglypuffs up b, it’s purpose is not to get you to the ledge it’s part of an attack
@@SoggySlopster but Link doesn't have 5 jumps.
@@SoggySlopster link’s jump is mediocre at best and is easily edgeguardable
"Surely Jigglypuff, a balloon character can recover"
As a Jigglypuff main in 64, I thought the same.
Even when they gave Luigi's dash attack a final hitbox in brawl the move was still really bad in brawl and smash 4, and then finally got buffed in ultimate.
Better have a bad move than one than doesn’t even work
I remember every jab that had a multi hit didn't have that last hit either, unti I played 4 that was a thing.
Yeah seems like in Ultimate they changed their design philosophy and decided that it’s not actually fun to have useless moves, that’s why we see so many long time trash moves made viable; Rob side b, Luigi DA, Ness and Lucas b, and many more went from being trash in all the older games to being good in ult.
@@brain_tonic yeah but then we still have shit like egg roll
@@charKT-7461 OK that's basically the only one that's actually shit. Even Jigg's rollout is actually usable as a tech chase tool and a recovery mixup now.
It's funny how Kirby went from being the best character in 64 to one of the worst in Melee.
2nd worst
2nd best
Wrong in both cases as it was already pointed out, he was 2nd best in 64 and 2nd worst in Melee
@cameronl1859wrong
that's the developers trying to "balance" the rosters by "fixing" broken/top tier characters by nerfing and ruining them (see higher tier characters in Melee to Brawl)
"Every single spike in the game"
Indeed you get spiked and you're pretty much dead. Shoutout to DK's who has a MASSIVE one that I swear that can still strike you if you're above him
Every spike attacks in 64 do not have a sour spot so every hitbox of a spike DOES spike, anywhere from any place
Plus that frame data.
@@crack4184 DK Fair though?
@@Eldoofus Still works for it but its framedata is not really good. It's an awesome combo finisher in 64
Fair is an awful move for edgeguarding. It's better used as a combo finisher.
Maybe my favorite video game of all time. So many memories growing up playing this with my brother. Break the Targets and Board the Platforms are GOATed for real
METAL MARIO
1:43 Dreamland was the only viable stage
Thank God for Smash Remix
yea
All stages are viable, see my channel.
It's just dreamland is the neutral stage
Something’s always been up with hitboxes. The one thing that can never be truly fixed in Smash.
Ness having a foot hitbox on the first hit of his jab in melee, Snake’s U-Tilt from Brawl, ALL of little mac’s aerials from SSB4 onward, Dedede’s D-tilt and B-air from SSB4, way too many examples to explain here.
Outside of the puff section, hbox just feels like a kid who didn't prepare his presentation. Just agreeing with everything on screen.
"Yes, no side b."
"Oh yeah, hitstun."
"Mhm, fox with falco laser"
I love how he watched “64 is broken” before “Melee is broken” he doesn’t want to see that video 😂
Fun fact: Melee is broken was actually the first video that Heew uploaded of his “smash is broken” Series, which makes kinda ironic that it could be the last one Hbox will watch lol
Tbf, harder things are there than making a Melee player agree melee is broken as shit lol
Melee is super broken
There even is a Melee is broken 2 lol
No melee player thinks melee is not broken
He actually watched it once back in March/April on stream iirc, idk if he'd watch it again
"no spot dodge" i honestly don't see a problem with that.
It would be useful in 64 since there’s no parries, massive shield hitstun, and rolling would put you towards or away from your opponent. So having a spot dodge would help.
@@DragonMaster1818 understood, thank you
That last failed link recovery was due to him having his back toward the stage. Was it brawl that made characters able to grab the ledge with their backs turned?
Also, if I'm not mistaken, DK's grab could be infinite on kirby specifically...
in melee you could grab the ledge with your back to it but it is not free. the biggest problem is link can't do turnaround up-B, while several other characters can. DK can do it by charging his punch with side-B to change direction, then cancelling it asap and up-B
DK's grab is infinite on several characters (you don't throw them, you just let them get released)
@@marioisawesome8218 only with some characters you could.
Smash64 will always be my favorite it's just pure mayhem
You. I _LIKE_ you. You think like I do.
Pure chaos. Pure mayhem. Constant slaughter. Combos for days. Single mistake means death. Skill mandatory to survive.
Finally, a fraction of Kirby's true power
7:48 even solo popo could recover from that
Developers: So how much hitstun should we add in this game?
Nintendo: Yes
"This is how far we've come" With each Smash 64 matchup we watch, we stray further from the light
espceially falcon
Now the games barely have enough to do combos at all. I mean some are true but you really gotta work for them. The rest are reads and situational. Ionn like it
In the words of MaxOr, "This move has upgraded from hitbox to _hittesseract_ "
Most inconsistent thing in Smash 64 is the fact that jump height is affected by the stick position + button. Jumping with stick is usually much higher than holding a side + c button, unless you aren't using the stick at all.
WOAH crones
i thought you werent active
@@AspectCave I'm kind of inactive yeah, I'm mainly focused on competitive melee now, but who knows what will happen in the future.
I really appreciate your reply, have a good day :)
@@CronoNes :-)
Whats inconsistent about that that though
@@CronoNes That's not inconsistent though. You can tap a c button for a short hop consistently and use the stick to go for higher jumps to mix things up very slightly.
Puff back air moment: 3:11
Smash 64 Link making Little Mac’s recovery look godly.
Imagine Hbox’s reaction when he watches “Melee is Broken” 1 and 2.
This was my first Smash game, even though I first played in 2009, I never played Melee but got Brawl in 2010 with Mario Kart Wii. It's amazing to see how much Nintendo improved(but bring back busted Kirby)
Y E S
Kirby was actually good in this smash, what a time
Sakurai probably over-tuned Kirby because that's his boy, and then he had to walk it back in later games. Same thing happened with Meta Knight, but worse.
He was decent in Brawl too actually
@@wolfdragox5563 True, especially when comparing him to ultimate and smash 4 kirby considering all of the buffs they had yo receive.
Kirby was actually the best character in Smash64
@@jazzabighits4473 no, pikachu was the best
I loved Ness's double jump cancel. But, Pika was always my main.
Kirby's up tilt hitbox is bigger than my future as a smash player.
That’s not saying much
Kirby up tilts was one of the first vids on my channel actually haha
Smash 64?
Yeah, 64's the percentage I'm gonna get quickly with the hitstun in that game
*cut content*
Isn’t a thing. It’s the first game for a reason. There was no cut content. It just was added to later games. That’s like saying dACUS is cut content because it didn’t appear in 64
link says it the best when it comes to his recovery: it's SHAAAAT
Can't wait for the melee is broken video
7:17 omg hbox said my name I've finally made it!
I can't believe there wasn't a section on ness DJC
Smash 64 had an unimaginable amount of hitstun
kirby’s d-air was melee falco’s d-air but multi-hit.
This video started with a MK8 ad with Coconut Mall music playing and then the beginning of the actual video had the same song playing quieter and it just works so well.
There was a reason Link says "Shiiiyaaat" cause he knows he's not asking it back
HungryBox you gotta play the recent Smash Remix update. It's great
I'm waiting for Rayman to get added to the game. Or whatever they've got in mind, Conker blew my mind.
@@buzter8135 i loved Conkers Bad Fur Day as a kid.
If we got Sonic I bet they'll do Cloud
7:01 never thought I would see a recovery worse than ultimate Little Mac.
Message to the editors: I wish y'all would put the music we're hearing in the video in the description! It would be so nice! Please take it into consideration 🙏
Fr, I love the outro song in this one.
This is what I grew up playing, I’ll always love Smash 64, then melee came out and was the shit for a while. Then ultimate came out and I’m playing smash again. Great to see how far it’s come.
lmao 64 kirby utilt might even outrange melee Marth grab
Btw, Luigi's DA is minus on hit in melee, and has almost 0 advantage in 64
Bc It was literally unfinished in 64
I love that he reads the text it's almost like watching the original video but just stolen and there is no added content
Sakurai made Pikachu the best character in Ultimate to call back to 64
Jigglypuff in 64 is weird because she has an equal amount of amazing attributes and terrible attributes
Now I’m waiting for the grand finale: "Smash Ultimate is BALANCED"
64 is a must play. I played it for my first time, and something about it makes it a truly different smash experience. I don't know if it's the hitstun, the lack of characters, or the lack of moves, but the game seems charming and unique.
I had a blast playing it. It's still really fun, and something I'd willingly play over other smash games at times. 64 is truly a different and fun experience.
Wow as a near 30 year old this makes me feel old lol. We felt fortunate this crazy fighting/ platforming party game even existed. Who cares if there was only 8-10 or however many characters, was enough back then... good times. Weird I felt somehow 64 smash was more put together than melee, but that was before learning about & seeing professional smash. And as a Samus main, I hated at the time how different they made Samus (more floaty, difficult to use in melee imo) but ever since a couple years ago or so Melee marth has been my fav... still, have the most nostalgia on 64 smash, played the heck out of it with family compared to the other ones growing up
Edit: and what's the point/ exclusivity if half the multiverse is available to play on smash, like in the newest one? Bit too many choices can water down the integrity of the game imo. But to each their own
Edit 2: still is sick tho Ridley of all Nintendo characters somehow made it in the game. So I'll give them that
Seeing kirby being broken gives me so much joy
I'm pretty sure this game is why me and my friends played Melee with a "no ledge camping" rule.
3:45 I thought he said there was no up throw in 64
In 64 that’s Puff’s forward throw
I like how the only viable stages are in 1p Mode
Link makes Little Mac’s recovery look like Sora’s
I need to paly SSB64 again, I'm confused because it says "No Up Throw/Down Throw" but then describes Jigglypuff's Up Throw > Rest. How does Jiggly do this, if there's no Up throw?
Thats her fthrow
Jiggly's forward/normal throw is an upward throw. Jigglys back throw is a decent kill move/disruption move also.
At 0:48 it says there are no Up Throws and at 3:50 it talks about Up Throw Rest
“No up throw”
Minutes later
“Up throw rest”
What?
Edit: and also “no side b” minutes later shows puff using side b
Thats her fthrow also pound is her neutral B. Duh
@@playstationarusu why did it say up throw then
Links recovery makes little Mac’s recovery look like brawl meta knight
I loved playing as Kirby and stun-locking enemies with the multi-punch.
I was playing Smash 64 with my brother's college roommates once and I picked Link. I got Yoshi egged off the stage, and I mashed fast enough and got to recover with his up-b that everyone thought I was cheating
Out of context Hbox 6:54
Watching this the day after the game's 25th anniversary in Japan. This game is incredibly fun at any skill level.
I been playing smash 64 since I was a fetus. Even won a few locals in my day. But I've never heard of DKs grab release chain xD it's crazy how people are still finding new combos in every smash game
From humble beginnings!
If you havent watched a N64 combo contest its worth a watch. Much more entertaining imo then competitive n64.
I think that everyone can agree that Luigi's Super Jump Punch aka Uppercut move was broken so much in Smash 64 that it was nerfed pretty hard in Melee. LOL Since It's much more difficult to time and KO opponents with Luigi's Uppercut move from Melee to Smash Ultimate.
Why are bigger Smash players not giving the publicity and respect to Smash Remix?
Ness up tilt combo on falcon
Did I miss something or did the Missing moveset part say no up throw or down throw, but then Puff does up throw into rest? I played the heck out of smash 64 as a child but I don't remember it that clearly lol
puffs forward throw throws the opponent upwards
@@BlueGooseCollectibles okay, that makes sense, thanks!
Honestly with Remix...
Best game in the series.
I wish someone would make a version a ssbu that lets you use every version of a character from all of the games. Hit boxes and mechanics the whole 9 yards
best game of all time period
I agree, still play and upload it :)
bruh Link's recovering 64 is so bad that in the Melee trailer one of the first things shown is his improved Up-B
Hit stun is different in this game where you have to roll your joystick for the di. Hard to explain and also you can di into ledges to save yourself
I know I'm late but sing in smash 64 is probably the worst move ever.
1. It works in reverse (lower percent = more time asleep)
2. It cannot cancel at the ledge
3. If the opponent gets caught at the beginning of sing, they can easily mash out of it.
4. The hitbox is really small and is very hard to safely use.
i probably wouldnt have switched over to steve if yoshi still had double jump cancelling. I never played him in melee or 64 but damn it seems so god damn sick. it seems like that would be enough to make yoshi way more viable alone
As a link main since 64, I do not miss his upB…
64 is by far my favorite of the smash series
Same here, check out the vids on my channel if you get a chance :)
Jigglypuffs up throw rest is broken in 64? But I thought there was no up throw D:
Jigglypuff's forward throw sends the opponent upward
@@ethancate8462 ah! thanks for answering :D
@@juanoshigeru of course, have a good day 😊
P.S. this phenomenon happens only in Smash 64 as far as I'm aware
i mean it was the beginning of this fun series
and the n64 had lots of jank and funnies in their games but it worked
smash 64 is like preforming a skateboard trick but on your friend
You can’t call it missing mechanics if they never existed prior to smash 64
Still my all time favorite this is what i grew up playing and why i main ness to this day i have no clue what his game is even about but as a kid i assumed if hardest character to unlock must be the best and never stopped playing him somthing about playing ness is just a part of me now i refuse to change he was also one of only 2 characters with double jump cancel then
After the fourth jump on jigglypuff you go down…
How can you up throw to rest 3:42
If you can’t up throw 0:47
Puff's forward throw sends the opponent upwards.
kirby has the same hitbox of nair as puff, just how broken he can be...
pika's recovery is just cheat mode, bro can recover from 12 feet away
I thought they said there was no up throw 4:00
That's Puff's forward throw.
I love Smash 64. Watching and playing
It's almost like this game shouldn't have had a competitive scene lmao
None of them should, but they do anyway.
@@buzter8135 ok that’s just bullshit
Really wish kirby kept his oldest forward air
On Smash 64 Link's UP B is a good out of shield option !!
I really can't wait to see the smash ultimate is broken video lol
I cant with link's recovery im dying of laughter im so glad smash 64 wasnt my first smash game
3:53 how jiglypuff do a up throw ?
Forward throw launches up.
Woops wasn't in chat for this.
my fav smash game.
With Remix, it's just the best.
@@buzter8135 remix doing so much and it's so good! lack of roster and stages? Nah, we got it now
No up throw yet puff up throw rest combo is somehow still a thing?
Thats her fthrow
@@playstationarusu ah, makes sense now ty
I play smash remix nowadays
Love the editor of that video throwing shade at brawl....at least i think it was. At 9:12
Oh reacting to heeeeew vids?? YESSSSSSS
64, brawl, 4 i forgot if he watched ultimate
but it's coming there