First of all, you absolutely deserve million of followers! You are doing an amazing job into your review, you are objective and also you are far away to be a " sonos fanboy". Thumbs up and please continue like that! Do you think (or maybe got some rumors) that in the future Sonos will add any speaker to his lineup, with upfire capabilities to enhance the Atmos effects, also from back of the room?
I haven’t heard any of that but the arc is actually a step in that direction already. It’d be great if they do. And thank you so much for such support and praise!
Today i bought one Sonos Five to test it. Tomorrow i buy the second Sonos Five. The Sonos Five is crazy good and what this speaker can do with a simple mp3 file is incredible. Thanks to you Peter i bought the Sonos Five... you are one of the best reviewers who gives the details that we want...
Peter I would love to see you do that same test you did at 9 min and 38 seconds with them all together the arc sub and fives. Also you could directly compare that to the one sl’s paired instead of fives to demonstrate the difference in sound and performance
Great video, I urrently have 2 Sonos 5's and just ordered the ARC, was debating on a sub but will try they 3 first, then maybe add a sub later. Thanks for the awesome review.
Hi Peter, your videos are really helpful and indeed the most detailed analysis I've ever encountered! Keep up the great work! I'm was planning to build a surround system with the Sonos and all your videos helped me a lot!
Good job! It never crossed my mind to try this Sonos setup without the Sonos Sub. I have to say that-at least from the sound recorded by your mic-the FIVES do a much better job than the Sub. The sound was clearer and more immersive with the FIVE’s setup. A lot gets lost when you paired the Arc with the sub; the midrange is lifeless and the soundstage definitely shrinks. I wonder if those midrange frequencies are filled in by the ONEs in a more conventional setup, or maybe Sonos should consider engineering more adequate surround speakers.
Superb Video P2. Appreciate the frequency response details along with the notes during the dolby atmos clip. I have a query. I have a Beam gen 2 along with the Sub gen 3 and One SLs as sorround. During TV playback and Spotify music playback from TV, the sorrounds have ambient sound and become alive only during a sorround effects in movies and portions of Spotify songs. How does the Five pair overcome this drawback? Wouldn't the same signals be transmitted to the Fives. How does it compete for bass when it would only recieve ambient or sorround portion of the movie or music sound when playback is happening thru TV?
Peter Pee, just want to say that I’m so happy to have come across your channel! You reviews are superb in detail and editing. On the other hand, man you are costing me A LOT of $$$ 😂! I just watched your other video regarding the Sonos One’s vs the Sonos 5’s as surround speakers and jeez does my wallet hurt. One section of that video did raise a question: my bedroom dimension is 13ft x 16ft and the surround speakers will be set up on my bedside tables. Do you think the Sonos 5’s will be to powerful given the room size? What do you think would be the best configuration? Thanks a bunch in advance and for all the work you do! Cheers 🍻
Welcome to the rabbit hole of Sonos. The door has been opened and Alice is waiting. :) Actually you have a sizeable room and mine isn't that much bigger. I do most of my listening in a 12x21feet room, but the ceiling height is 12 feet so it's a tall room. I find that the Fives fill in the sound very nicely. The only issue that I can find is that when you say the fives are going to be on the beside table, I find that they might be too close and can get distracting when surround effects kick in. But if you don't have the problem with the Ones, then you won't have that problem with the Fives. A more powerful speaker doesn't mean that it will sound louder at the same given volume. It just means it has the POTENTIAL to go louder without distortion at any given frequency. And mind you, if you set the Fives on your bedside table and listen to music on this setup with full sound being passed to them instead of ambient, you are going to have a party in your dreams. Sorry for the kick down the rabbit hole!
Going down the rabbit hole for sure as I have been watching your videos all day 😂. I’m going to pick up a new LG 65cx and the Xbox series X when it releases along with all the Sonos equipment. Quite a large purchase for myself 😬. I’ve never heard the Sonos 1 or 5 in person and would hate to feel wanting more if I go for the 1’s... although saving $600 is nice. My ceiling height is only 8ft and my MLP (haha using your lingo) will be level with all speakers except the sub of course. I think I will try for the 1’s first and keep my fingers crossed 🤞 it will be sufficient. Had a blast watching many of your videos today and can’t wait to see what’s coming next! You’re doing a phenomenal job!
Excellent review. Love the details and depth of it. The Sonos arc and play 5’s bass compresses at high volumes. The Sub is the only gauranteed way to avoid bass compression as the sub becomes louder and deeper at higher volumes.
Very informative review, ive had the Arc with my two ones as surrounds and I think I'll purchase the sub now. My only worry is that I live in an apartment so I'll have to keep the bass down.
You get the wide soundstage with Symphonisk Bookshelf speakers or One SL’s and the sub right? Same as the Play 5’s? I notice the huge difference in surround sound without the surround speakers. Actually the difference is even more insane how you recorded and set it up on the Play 5 as read surrounds with 2 subs video. Which is an epic setup lol. That’s audiophile for sure. But the “Woah, where is this place?” Comes from the right headphone, and “Come on you guys, let’s go!” Comes from the left headphone in that video!
Excellent review. I really heard a difference at 12:25 forward with the bass presence. I ordered the FIVES after watching your review. They will ship in mid December. I took advantage of cyber Monday sale and saved $200. I will upgrade my Playbar to The ARC and pair them. Costco is selling the ARC without the microphones for voice command. I presently do not use these voice commands. Do you have any insight on buying an ARC with or without the microphones? Thank you.
Saving $50 on the ARC is a no brainer. :) Go micless! If you decide to do voice commands in the future, I am sure a standalone echo will be a lot less than $50.
Yes, that will work of course. In fact, you are getting 95% of the setup that consists of the Fives as surround. It's the best bang for the buck combination from Sonos now if you need Atmos.
For music i agree, but in movies you would only get the base of the 5s if the surrounds respond/ have content to output, so not sure its a true replacement for movies..
This would be exactly my worry. The rears aren’t intended to receive the full base profile. Now if Sonos altered the sound to redirect low frequencies to the 5, this could be an interesting option since the price of a Sub+2xOnes is roughly the same as 2 x 5’s.
Hi Would the gain be significant when listening to music with Arc and 2 fives vs Arc + sub + one SL? I am using my set up for video but also for music. Thanks in advance for your opinion
Today i bought my second Sonos Five. Streaming flac files hi-res audio is a great option but don't underestimate MP3. Sometimes it's hard to hear the differences! I tried Blade Runner 2049 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) and many others like Scorion - Drake (Don't matter to me). Also classic and jazz music sounds real good. Play with the loudness option in your Sonos app, on some tracks it will give a fantastic bass effect, not on all tracks because it depends on what kind of music you play. The Sonos Arc will be my next to buy and perhaps also the Sonos sub gen 3. Sonos is amazing...!!!
Great video!!! I've been waiting on the Sonos Arc and was going to get the sub and one's but after this vid I might have to re-think my setup. It would be about $100.00 bucks cheaper getting the Fives and the arc without the sub. Can you do a comparison between the one's with the sub and arc vs arc with the fives with no sub. Thanks and great video again!!
Hey Usman, thanks for pointing it out! The thing about Sonos is that the modularity means the combinations are kind of hard to exhaust. But yes, you're right to point out that I have picked the FIVEs with no Sub over ONEs with Sub.But I kind of did that with music setup in mind and not with an ARC in consideration. Redrat79, without doing an actual test and measurement, it's hard for me to substantiate my views. This particular video explores either upgrading the Arc with a sub or a pair of fives. It doesn't not consider adding a sub+Ones as a third option. I agree that this might be a video to make but I'd say the conclusion will be easily guessed, the full setup with sub will always be better.
@@PeterPee I needed to hear this. THANK YOU. I also think the REAL way to go is obviously the ARC with Play 5’s as rear surrounds with two subs, and anything less is just weak! Lol j/k. You said in the video where you did that that it’s not your normal setup. What is your normal setup?
Hello wow what a nice rewiew, thank you. I have a question for you. I live in appartment and now I have the sonos arc and 2 play 1 as a surround speaker. My question is.. cos Im in aparment , do you think its better To buy a sonos sub on the floor for my neigbour or keep my arc and replace my 2 play one by 2 five on a table close To the place I sit when I listen netflix, Disney + or tv ? I love listen music and I love whatching movies also. Thank you To answer me cos I really dont know what To do cos im in apartment. Last question two move as a rear speaker is also a Good choice or no its better 2 five or my 2 play 1 arc and sub? Thank you
Is it possible to get the Sonos surround system with the sun and 2 surrounds…and then buy 2 Sonos fives as a pair of front channel speakers? A true 5.1 channel system?
When looking at the frequency response of the Arc & Sub, other than the extra base from the sub, it looks as though the Arc just puts more amplitude on the mids and highs. If I were to go with the Arc and Ones instead of the sub, other than losing some base, couldn't I just turn up the volume and achieve basically the same response from the Arc? I would actually like to see how well the curves overlap by just turning up the volume on the Arc alone.
Hey Peter, loving your channel and content! I recently acquired an Arc & Sub Gen 3 before the price hike in Singapore and found my way to this video when you talked about upgrading the set-up with a pair of Fives. You did warn viewers to stop watching that video but here I am. Could you share a link to that demo video you used in this video?
Hello, I'm new to your channel. First I'd like to say, thank you. I have been looking into a home setup for some time now and your videos have help, so thank you. I do have a question. In this video you say the play 5's have more base than the standard rear speakers, so if you go with the play 5's you can get away without a sub. How about doing a video with the Arc, play 5's and the sub as a package. Would like to get your though on that before I purchase my setup. Thanks!
Hello Peter, does TruePlay remove that dip in the 110hz area? Can you please do a comparison between a pair of Fives & Sub with and without Trueplay turned on and see if the crossover changes or if the dip at 110hz is fixed. Thank you so much for all your work, it's really helping me out with my purchasing decision.
I didn’t try Trueplay in that particular setup on the table TOP as it’s not my regular positioning. The dip is potentially also caused by the position in the middle of the room. Most room correction systems I know pull down peaks and rarely boost up the dips. Let’s see if I can get a decent setup and test the difference. I’m in the midst of shifting my workstation around as it currently blocks the whole projector screen and no one can watch anything!
Great video. New subscriber and will be watching more of your content. Quick question, and I apologize in advance as I'm sure you've answered this one before. The Atmos video you show at the end. Where can I get that? Love showing off my setup and that seems like it'd be an excellent one.
My primary concern is that I'm planning to use a console mounted Sony A95k, and I wonder if the Arc will get in the way of the bottom of the screen. So I wonder if 2 Sonos 5s, a Sub3, and 2 Ones for surround, is a good alternative to an Arc + sub 3 + 2 ones.
Hi I really like your channel and all the videos which helped me alot in considering the sonos products. I have a question. what is better for surround sound. sonos arc+pair of one sl+sub or sonos arc +sub +pair of sonos five. note that i am not looking for high volume noise instead i am looking for the best surround sound experiance
Hi Peter, I have a Sonos Playbase, Sonos Sub (Gen 2) and Sonos Play 1's for rear surround sound. Should I upgrade to a Sonos Arc to replace the Playbase or two Sonos Fives to replace the Play 1's? What would you recommend? Thank you in advance ☺️
Really great comparison You could perhaps try the comparison between 2 one's + arc and sub vs 2 fives and arc That would be great Thank you so much for all the work !
Can you advise best settings for an Arc + 2xFives? Also have the Fives horizontal or vertical? Does it make difference which way they face when vertical? Thanks!
Tell me something.... can I pair 2 Sonos five for surround and put 2 Sonos one sl in front ... can the Sonos system handle this configuration? Of course...using the Sonos arc as a center chanel
I am in similar dilemma now. I just bought the Sonos Arc on sale for $850 CAD plus 12% taxes here and two Sonos Five for $1060 CAD plus 12% taxes (awesome deals) but trying to justify if I need the Sub ?, please advise. It is not the money but trying to think if it would really add to the experience?
Hi Peter. I love your videos but I have a question for you. Would you say that your deviate phantom reactors have a higher bass output or your Sonos sub gen 3? I saw in your video a while back saying the Sonos sub had less surface area for its woofers than the phantom reactors had so I'm curious to see which actually has higher output. Thanks! You helped me choose my Sonos playbar, sub gen 3 and 2x Sonos one gen 2s! Keep up the good work!
Hey James, that is a question that I have been trying to answer myself still. Sound is a b*tch to measure and evaluate objectively as there are so many variables. Having lived with the phantom reactors for a bit longer and having deployed them around the house in various setups, my take is that the reactors have a smoother more even bass. It is, afterall, a stereo subwoofer setup if you may. But, in terms of pure output at any given frequency, the Sonos Sub still gives more of a kick. It hits you harder in the chest when an explosion or a gun shot goes off.
Hi, firstly many thanks for the great videos which are extremely helpful and informative. Id like to ask if a Sub can be paired with 2 x Play 5s for music and in the same room also with the Arc for movies? Was going to use the Play 5s for surrounds but have decided use just for music, hopefully with the bass providing some extra bass. Appreciate your advice.
I'm about to get into the Sonos ecosystem to replace a dedicated 7.1.4 system while I am in a rental home where I can't install speakers. I've watched a lot of your very informative videos and find REW graphs very useful! I plan to get an Arc with 2 subs; and wanted your opinion on getting a pair of Fives's as the surrounds vs the One SL's? Is that upgrade worthwhile in this setup? I would love to see the REW response with the Arc, 2 Subs and 2 Fives (if you already made a video with that comparison I haven't come across it yet).
I have made so many different videos I am starting to lose track (actually already did) of the videos that I have made. I must have done that test before but may not have actually made that video. Instead of waiting for me to get round to it, I will just tell you upfront, not worth it. the dual subs are going to give you all the bass that you need. The Fives come in handy as surrounds if you need more volume but with dual subs, your ARC and Ones as surrounds are going to be liberated to do more of their things so overall, the volume is already plenty loud. Don't get me wrong, it is better... but, not worth so much extra.
@@PeterPee Thank you very much, I appreciate all your research and information! I can't believe those subs reach into the 20hz range at all, so that's great. I recently sold my home where I had a 7.1.4 with a Power Sound Audio dual 15" sealed sub; which in my room is flat to 8hz (I wish I could attach the REW screenshot) and in my new place I cannot install surround speakers or have room for that beast of a sub, so the Sonos Arc w/dual subs will have to suffice. Thanks again for all the information!
Hi Peter, great videos and research. Want to see what you think about adding (2) Sonos 3 to my rear, I currently have the latest Sonos Arc + Sub. Is the sound quality much better than the One/SL for rears? Thanks!
How does it work when playing normal stereo music (spotify) In a arc + 2x five set up? Will it play on all the speakers? Does it sound better because of the fives?
@@barttimmer5199 it will fill up the room with sound, though I believe it will not be satisfying for pure stereo imaging etc as.they are placed behind you in the normal sitting position
I have increased the volume of the full surround when playing music to +15. That way, the Fives will play full bandwidth and also be louder than the Arc. It's a cheat. Not the best way but Sonos has no easy way to pop the fives out of surround duties into Stereo and back again.
Peter.....I added the Sonos amp too drive my surrounds with the arc. I am waiting on the gen 3 sub to be shipped. I see there are some accessories available to mount the sub on a wall. What do you think of this? Will the amp work as well mounted on a wall compared to just sitting on the floor? Thanks...love your show.
I have never tried to mount a sub on the wall before. But I did elevate a 12” regular sub off the floor before. I placed it on the third console and very quickly put it back on the floor. The floor lends some reinforcement to the bass notes so I didn’t like it when they were raised.
Dear Peter, I've recently upgraded my sonos playbar to an Arc. Straight out of the box, i felt that the ARC is somehow lacking the in the bass and and lower mid section when compared to a playbar. That leaves me wonder whether am I not tuning it properly? or it is lacking in those section when compared to a playbar; which leads me to my next question. Does pairing with with sub or the sonos 5s help to meet the lack that I'm searching for? Surround sound for now is not a priority yet, but the lack of lower mid and bass is a thorn in the flesh for now. I listen more on music and movies that has more conversation. Which would you recommend in the long run for bang of the buck? Thanks in advance!
@@PeterPee would also like to ask, where does the sonos play1 stand in the lineup of sonos product today? Is it still worthwhile to invest if there is sales. Thanks
Sonos five are amazing but using it as a surround sound is an overkill. The ones works perfect for surrounds while the pair Sonos 5s works best for music.
Jonathan, have you heard the fives in person? They are one of those speakers that you look at and wonder how in the world they manage to extract so much bass from a speaker that size. And then I look at the SVS Prime towers that I have paired with a 300WPC Emotiva XPA Gen 3 and I sold the amp+speakers. Sorry to have shoved you deeper into the rabbit hole.
Hi Peter, Another fantastic video! Thanks for the great work! I love your channels and detailed reviews. One question, in the two sound clips at the end of the video the Sonos fives sound slightly muffled or at least the voices do. Do you think this is an accurate representation of a real life setup? It’s almost as if the sub creates a cleaner more crisp sound?
If you do the sound test with a gr8t quality head phones your view would change the both sounds amazing but your better going with the 5's bc you get the best of nlboth worlds. You'll get the bass & the surround sound with the 5's but if you perfer a more heavier bass you should go with Sub gen 3.. gr8t work Peter and I love love the sound check with both pieces of equipment. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽. I just bought the Sub yesterday and I can not wait to hear once it's set up. Thanks again!
Nice work! Hey Peter, just a quick question. When you had the arc mounted on the wall and came to the conclusion that it would be best 6" down from the tv, how deep from the wall was your tv? As in from the wall to the front face of the tv?
Hi, can you do a video comparing and your thoughts on sonos arc + sub vs stereo sonos five without sub.. so price is more equal.. which u think is more enjoyable for music and movie. thank you.
Amazing findings, very interesting results, thanks very much! But i am curious now, given the $300 difference, which would better if you throw in two One's into the sub combo?
This question was asked a lot these 2 days! Well, If I were to listen to any amount of music, I’d get the fives. If it’s purely for home theatre functions, definitely the sub and the ones.
Hi Peter I just bought the arc3, 2 gen3 subs and 2 SL 1's. I was thinking of adding maybe two 5's or two ceiling speakers, do you think this is overkill?? Nothing has been installed yet waiting for the arc to arrive
No, don't add two more fives. It doesn't integrate well. You can replace the 2 SL with 2 fives but no point adding the two Fives, or ceiling speakers. It will mess up the sound stage.
Another brilliant video! Thanks mate. Just a quick question to you and your community- what would you say is better set up surround sound with Arc-Sub-2XPlay5s or Arc-2Ones and 2XSub Gen 3s? (Shamelessly I like heavy base)
The incremental performance of the 5s over the the Ones in surround is MUCH smaller than the Dual sub over single sub. So i'd say go for the 2x sub Gen 3s..
Hey Peter, I have a question about the Sonos Five. I really want to buy one but I don't have internet at home. I just want to use the Line-In but I heard that for some weird reason you still need internet to use the Line-In. Is there anyway around this? Thanks!
Oh god... That's a real problem. You can't. When you launch the Sonos App, it will search for wifi and look for your Sonos speaker on that wifi before you can even play. In fact, I believe you even need it to setup. I don't believe there is a way to use an un-configured Sonos Five for its line-in port. Need to register. The only way to get Sonos without wifi is... Sonos Move.
I see what you are getting at there. Don't get the Fives with the Beam. In surround configuration, the Fives will get the lower bass frequencies cut off and you won't get enough rumble out of them. They make the overall sound much much louder but you will still be missing out on the LFE (Low frequency effects) mix. Get the Sub!
That should be the best setup for Movies and Music experience. Set the surrounds to play full range and increase the volume to +15 for music. And when you are listening to music, face the rear fives. That should give you a very good experience.
Amazing work as usual Peter! I think the final question on all of this is, what is better between arc and 5's as surrounds or arc with sub and 1's as surrounds as this is more similar in price. I currently own the arc and will be taking delivery of the sub this week. My plan was to add 1's later on but now I am wondering if I should return the sub and get 5's for surrounds 🤔
Stay with the sub with ones. You will love the sub. My recommendation is for those who won’t see themselves completing the system. If you have plans to buy the ones later, stick to that plane.
@@PeterPee I know this is old but have you tried doing arc plus sub with ones as surrounds vs the same with fives as surrounds ( in master bedroom)? Are the fives overkill in that setup?
I did a video on that.. Adding up each component on its own, you are looking at close to 500W of real power. Not PMPO. But power draw from the wall, at peak outputs. But no one listens that way. And pairing them in a full surround config will channel power away from some speakers (like the surround).
@@PeterPee Dear Mr. Pee, Thank you very much for your replying. My family and I love to watch your reviewing for Sonos speakers sound system. We are interested in Sonos speakers sound system and I have a lot of question, but I don’t know how to contact you. Is there any way to contact you such as email, Instagram, Facebook? Or prefer to contact here by TH-cam? Thank you very much and we are looking forward to hear from you soon. Sincerely, Saeed Email: saeedhn12@gmail.com
Dear Mr. Peter Pee, May I know what the PMPO is? Because I have seen there are a lot of Soundbars in the market and they have more than 800W, does that mean better than Sonos Arc, Sub Gen 3, Surround One SL Pair?
First of all thank you for all the very well and detailed videos,after watching your videos I finally bought a Sonos five ,so my question is if I buy a Sonos arc,does it work with only one Sonos five ?(it‘s on my plans to buy a second Sonos five,but first I think about to buy the arc)
Nice videos Peter, glad that you are doing something different with your approach. I watch many if not all of your videos. Question on the Arc + 5s + Sub:: 1. Won’t the FRC be different when you actually run TruePlay, where the Sonos system will lower the 5s bass response and channel them to the sub instead (just like what it does for the Arc)? 2. If the Sonos system does this as per #1, how much different will the rears be in comparison to the 1s or 3s vs the 5? Point here is, money could be saved if TruePlay causes similar behavior, with all settings being equal (not over boosting the ambient or full range in the S2 app for rears) 3. Would putting money into dual subs and 1s as surround give better performance than one sub and 5s as surrounds? Appreciate your thoughts on this. Keep up the great work! Thanks!
Sitting here as I listening to my arc paired to 2 ones. I find myself turning my ONES down or else they overpower my arc. The arc just seems flat (I have zero tec experience but that’s my layman term). Would two FIVES paired to two ONES be better than the arc?
@@PeterPee correction. I have the arc paired to two moves. (Not ones). Yes the sub was not in stock at the time of purchase but it’s ordered. I just feel they they talked the arc up so much that I thought it would blow my mind Here’s my question. Two Fives paired to two moves and a sub vs. two moves, the arc and sub. What would be better
The Sub Gen 3 is currently on sale for $599, and I was very tempted to add it to my Arc + Fives setup before I watched this video. Since I have this setup currently in my living room where there's no TV (yet), it's only for music and it sounds awesome. Given the marginal (based on @Peter's frequency response graphs) improvements that would be provided by adding the sub, I've decided not to buy it for now.
@@PeterPee After listening to a variety of music that I enjoy for the past few days, I concluded that the Surround Audio “Music Level” setting needed to be adjusted “-3” because the Fives sounded a bit louder than the Arc with the default setting of "0." Now the sound stage is quite immerse even for music, which is not coded with Dolby Atmos. My next experiment will be to signup for a trial subscription of Tidal to listen to some music that is coded with Dolby Atmos and to try to hear the difference.
Bass is normally non directional as I know, does the fact that all the bass in the 5+Arc setup is coming directly from the back. ..isnt it harming the hearing experience? Leave the scientific measures aside?
I moved it back to my regular position and I toggled the sub on and off. You can sense that the whole room is uniformly louder when the fives have to do its job without the sub. I don’t think it sounded weird though. But with the sub on, the thumping is more powerful at the mid bass region.
First of all, you absolutely deserve million of followers! You are doing an amazing job into your review, you are objective and also you are far away to be a " sonos fanboy". Thumbs up and please continue like that!
Do you think (or maybe got some rumors) that in the future Sonos will add any speaker to his lineup, with upfire capabilities to enhance the Atmos effects, also from back of the room?
I haven’t heard any of that but the arc is actually a step in that direction already. It’d be great if they do. And thank you so much for such support and praise!
Yes, the possibility to select other speakers for certain channels would be great! Such as using in ceiling speakers as atmos speakers.
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@@PeterPee Can I add just one sonos play 5 to my Arc and two rears??
Cool I wanted to see coverage of the fives be used as surrounds with the arc and sub. Thanks for the video
Today i bought one Sonos Five to test it. Tomorrow i buy the second Sonos Five. The Sonos Five is crazy good and what this speaker can do with a simple mp3 file is incredible. Thanks to you Peter i bought the Sonos Five... you are one of the best reviewers who gives the details that we want...
You give the answer to the question I have had for months
I love it when I manage to solve a problem for my viewers!
The comparison at the end is really cool - I wish more reviews had similar comparisons. Your videos are great, keep it up!
I appreciate your "Upfront Summary".
Well informed, well spoken...a very pleasant surprise!
I subscribed!
This intro was very true. 😂 Damn you Sonos!!!
¡Gracias!
Thank you!
Man. Your gonna blow up Pete. Your reviews are really well made. Thanks boss
Thanks for the compliments!
Peter I would love to see you do that same test you did at 9 min and 38 seconds with them all together the arc sub and fives. Also you could directly compare that to the one sl’s paired instead of fives to demonstrate the difference in sound and performance
Thank you for a thorough and scientific test, Peter Pee.
Great video, I urrently have 2 Sonos 5's and just ordered the ARC, was debating on a sub but will try they 3 first, then maybe add a sub later. Thanks for the awesome review.
I recently upgraded from the playbar to Arc with play 3s and gen2 sub. So far I’m really impressed with the overall sound from this set up
I have tried this combination too. The play:3 plays it loud. “It’s A Great combo!”
:) thank you very much for making this video Peter! Great to have your answer to this question.
Hi Peter, your videos are really helpful and indeed the most detailed analysis I've ever encountered!
Keep up the great work!
I'm was planning to build a surround system with the Sonos and all your videos helped me a lot!
I am so Glad I was able to be of help!
Ok la, subscribed! Only cause your content is worth it and well put together.
Good job! It never crossed my mind to try this Sonos setup without the Sonos Sub. I have to say that-at least from the sound recorded by your mic-the FIVES do a much better job than the Sub. The sound was clearer and more immersive with the FIVE’s setup. A lot gets lost when you paired the Arc with the sub; the midrange is lifeless and the soundstage definitely shrinks. I wonder if those midrange frequencies are filled in by the ONEs in a more conventional setup, or maybe Sonos should consider engineering more adequate surround speakers.
underrated channel! love the summary at the start
Welcome aboard!
Superb Video P2. Appreciate the frequency response details along with the notes during the dolby atmos clip.
I have a query. I have a Beam gen 2 along with the Sub gen 3 and One SLs as sorround. During TV playback and Spotify music playback from TV, the sorrounds have ambient sound and become alive only during a sorround effects in movies and portions of Spotify songs. How does the Five pair overcome this drawback? Wouldn't the same signals be transmitted to the Fives. How does it compete for bass when it would only recieve ambient or sorround portion of the movie or music sound when playback is happening thru TV?
New subscriber and your channel is already becoming one of my go to channels for great detailed info i use before purchases
Welcome aboard and thanks for your kind compliments!
Peter Pee, just want to say that I’m so happy to have come across your channel! You reviews are superb in detail and editing. On the other hand, man you are costing me A LOT of $$$ 😂! I just watched your other video regarding the Sonos One’s vs the Sonos 5’s as surround speakers and jeez does my wallet hurt. One section of that video did raise a question: my bedroom dimension is 13ft x 16ft and the surround speakers will be set up on my bedside tables. Do you think the Sonos 5’s will be to powerful given the room size? What do you think would be the best configuration? Thanks a bunch in advance and for all the work you do! Cheers 🍻
Welcome to the rabbit hole of Sonos. The door has been opened and Alice is waiting. :)
Actually you have a sizeable room and mine isn't that much bigger. I do most of my listening in a 12x21feet room, but the ceiling height is 12 feet so it's a tall room. I find that the Fives fill in the sound very nicely.
The only issue that I can find is that when you say the fives are going to be on the beside table, I find that they might be too close and can get distracting when surround effects kick in. But if you don't have the problem with the Ones, then you won't have that problem with the Fives. A more powerful speaker doesn't mean that it will sound louder at the same given volume. It just means it has the POTENTIAL to go louder without distortion at any given frequency.
And mind you, if you set the Fives on your bedside table and listen to music on this setup with full sound being passed to them instead of ambient, you are going to have a party in your dreams. Sorry for the kick down the rabbit hole!
Going down the rabbit hole for sure as I have been watching your videos all day 😂. I’m going to pick up a new LG 65cx and the Xbox series X when it releases along with all the Sonos equipment. Quite a large purchase for myself 😬. I’ve never heard the Sonos 1 or 5 in person and would hate to feel wanting more if I go for the 1’s... although saving $600 is nice. My ceiling height is only 8ft and my MLP (haha using your lingo) will be level with all speakers except the sub of course. I think I will try for the 1’s first and keep my fingers crossed 🤞 it will be sufficient. Had a blast watching many of your videos today and can’t wait to see what’s coming next! You’re doing a phenomenal job!
@@PeterPee Place some affiliate links in your videos - make some commission! Sonos should be paying your for excellent marketing and salesmanship.
Haha. I think I did a while back but got lazy. Actually I’m trying to spread what I know. As Long as you guys get what you want, I’m happy!
Excellent review. Love the details and depth of it. The Sonos arc and play 5’s bass compresses at high volumes. The Sub is the only gauranteed way to avoid bass compression as the sub becomes louder and deeper at higher volumes.
Oh yes, that's a valid point. That said, I don't fire up my system at higher than 60% volumes almost ever. So that's why I didn't discover that.
Fair enough. Keep up the amazing work
Nice setup! It looks better and better
Well done, another informative update.
Great video. I have an arc and a pair of fives as surround!
Very informative review, ive had the Arc with my two ones as surrounds and I think I'll purchase the sub now. My only worry is that I live in an apartment so I'll have to keep the bass down.
You get the wide soundstage with Symphonisk Bookshelf speakers or One SL’s and the sub right? Same as the Play 5’s? I notice the huge difference in surround sound without the surround speakers. Actually the difference is even more insane how you recorded and set it up on the Play 5 as read surrounds with 2 subs video. Which is an epic setup lol. That’s audiophile for sure. But the “Woah, where is this place?” Comes from the right headphone, and “Come on you guys, let’s go!” Comes from the left headphone in that video!
Excellent review. I really heard a difference at 12:25 forward with the bass presence. I ordered the FIVES after watching your review. They will ship in mid December. I took advantage of cyber Monday sale and saved $200. I will upgrade my Playbar to The ARC and pair them.
Costco is selling the ARC without the microphones for voice command. I presently do not use these voice commands. Do you have any insight on buying an ARC with or without the microphones?
Thank you.
Saving $50 on the ARC is a no brainer. :) Go micless! If you decide to do voice commands in the future, I am sure a standalone echo will be a lot less than $50.
I'm just waiting for my Sonos Arc witch is on backorder and went with the sub gen 3 and the ones gen 2 for surrounds hope that works .
Yes, that will work of course. In fact, you are getting 95% of the setup that consists of the Fives as surround. It's the best bang for the buck combination from Sonos now if you need Atmos.
For music i agree, but in movies you would only get the base of the 5s if the surrounds respond/ have content to output, so not sure its a true replacement for movies..
This would be exactly my worry. The rears aren’t intended to receive the full base profile. Now if Sonos altered the sound to redirect low frequencies to the 5, this could be an interesting option since the price of a Sub+2xOnes is roughly the same as 2 x 5’s.
Good observation! But it does still raise the overall volume significantly for movies.
Hi
Would the gain be significant when listening to music with Arc and 2 fives vs Arc + sub + one SL?
I am using my set up for video but also for music.
Thanks in advance for your opinion
Today i bought my second Sonos Five. Streaming flac files hi-res audio is a great option but don't underestimate MP3. Sometimes it's hard to hear the differences! I tried Blade Runner 2049 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) and many others like Scorion - Drake (Don't matter to me). Also classic and jazz music sounds real good. Play with the loudness option in your Sonos app, on some tracks it will give a fantastic bass effect, not on all tracks because it depends on what kind of music you play. The Sonos Arc will be my next to buy and perhaps also the Sonos sub gen 3. Sonos is amazing...!!!
Trueplay pulls back the peaks in the sands so it is possible that you might sense they are flipping the bass off.
Great video!!! I've been waiting on the Sonos Arc and was going to get the sub and one's but after this vid I might have to re-think my setup. It would be about $100.00 bucks cheaper getting the Fives and the arc without the sub. Can you do a comparison between the one's with the sub and arc vs arc with the fives with no sub. Thanks and great video again!!
heads up, he actually did this video already. He picked the fives with no sub over the sub with the ones as the winner.
Hey Usman, thanks for pointing it out! The thing about Sonos is that the modularity means the combinations are kind of hard to exhaust. But yes, you're right to point out that I have picked the FIVEs with no Sub over ONEs with Sub.But I kind of did that with music setup in mind and not with an ARC in consideration.
Redrat79, without doing an actual test and measurement, it's hard for me to substantiate my views. This particular video explores either upgrading the Arc with a sub or a pair of fives. It doesn't not consider adding a sub+Ones as a third option. I agree that this might be a video to make but I'd say the conclusion will be easily guessed, the full setup with sub will always be better.
If you are specifically looking for home theatre without any form of music listening, your combination of the Arc+Sub+One is the right one to go.
@@PeterPee Thanks for the clarification Peter and keep up the great work!
@@PeterPee I needed to hear this. THANK YOU. I also think the REAL way to go is obviously the ARC with Play 5’s as rear surrounds with two subs, and anything less is just weak! Lol j/k. You said in the video where you did that that it’s not your normal setup. What is your normal setup?
Just another amazing job and thank you.
Hello wow what a nice rewiew, thank you. I have a question for you. I live in appartment and now I have the sonos arc and 2 play 1 as a surround speaker. My question is.. cos Im in aparment , do you think its better To buy a sonos sub on the floor for my neigbour or keep my arc and replace my 2 play one by 2 five on a table close To the place I sit when I listen netflix, Disney + or tv ? I love listen music and I love whatching movies also. Thank you To answer me cos I really dont know what To do cos im in apartment. Last question two move as a rear speaker is also a Good choice or no its better 2 five or my 2 play 1 arc and sub? Thank you
Outstanding review Sir! Thank you so much👌
Does it make sense to add Fives to the Beam Gen2 or it will be too much and I better settle to one sl?
Is it possible to get the Sonos surround system with the sun and 2 surrounds…and then buy 2 Sonos fives as a pair of front channel speakers? A true 5.1 channel system?
When looking at the frequency response of the Arc & Sub, other than the extra base from the sub, it looks as though the Arc just puts more amplitude on the mids and highs. If I were to go with the Arc and Ones instead of the sub, other than losing some base, couldn't I just turn up the volume and achieve basically the same response from the Arc? I would actually like to see how well the curves overlap by just turning up the volume on the Arc alone.
Nice, I wish you could have done all three modes in that test using that Atmos clip.
Hey Peter, loving your channel and content! I recently acquired an Arc & Sub Gen 3 before the price hike in Singapore and found my way to this video when you talked about upgrading the set-up with a pair of Fives. You did warn viewers to stop watching that video but here I am. Could you share a link to that demo video you used in this video?
Hello, I'm new to your channel. First I'd like to say, thank you. I have been looking into a home setup for some time now and your videos have help, so thank you. I do have a question. In this video you say the play 5's have more base than the standard rear speakers, so if you go with the play 5's you can get away without a sub. How about doing a video with the Arc, play 5's and the sub as a package. Would like to get your though on that before I purchase my setup. Thanks!
I think I have already done that test. It’s here: th-cam.com/video/zmCwqwn0bWA/w-d-xo.html.
Awesome! Thanks
Wow impressive awesome video, I'm officially sold on the sonos. I will be purchasing the arc with the fives and two subs. Sorry neighbour's lol
Hello Peter, does TruePlay remove that dip in the 110hz area? Can you please do a comparison between a pair of Fives & Sub with and without Trueplay turned on and see if the crossover changes or if the dip at 110hz is fixed.
Thank you so much for all your work, it's really helping me out with my purchasing decision.
I didn’t try Trueplay in that particular setup on the table TOP as it’s not my regular positioning. The dip is potentially also caused by the position in the middle of the room.
Most room correction systems I know pull down peaks and rarely boost up the dips. Let’s see if I can get a decent setup and test the difference. I’m in the midst of shifting my workstation around as it currently blocks the whole projector screen and no one can watch anything!
@@PeterPee Thank you so much, I look forward to the results.
Great video. New subscriber and will be watching more of your content.
Quick question, and I apologize in advance as I'm sure you've answered this one before. The Atmos video you show at the end. Where can I get that? Love showing off my setup and that seems like it'd be an excellent one.
Thanks for the sub!
Here you go!
thedigitaltheater.com/dolby-trailers/
nice video! would you recommend Arc + 2 play-1 + sub or Arc + 2 play-5 + sub? I do home theatre 80% of the time and the 20% indulge in music
Can you make a video with the arc and the subs 3 and 2 fives together wat the best settings are than?
My primary concern is that I'm planning to use a console mounted Sony A95k, and I wonder if the Arc will get in the way of the bottom of the screen. So I wonder if 2 Sonos 5s, a Sub3, and 2 Ones for surround, is a good alternative to an Arc + sub 3 + 2 ones.
Hi I really like your channel and all the videos which helped me alot in considering the sonos products. I have a question. what is better for surround sound. sonos arc+pair of one sl+sub or sonos arc +sub +pair of sonos five. note that i am not looking for high volume noise instead i am looking for the best surround sound experiance
i setup sonos five and sonos move for movie.
The move hass clear thick voice and treble very nice for filming.
You connect via AirPlay?
keep it up brutha. Respect
Hi Peter, I have a Sonos Playbase, Sonos Sub (Gen 2) and Sonos Play 1's for rear surround sound. Should I upgrade to a Sonos Arc to replace the Playbase or two Sonos Fives to replace the Play 1's? What would you recommend? Thank you in advance ☺️
Really great comparison
You could perhaps try the comparison between 2 one's + arc and sub vs 2 fives and arc
That would be great
Thank you so much for all the work !
Thanks for the idea! I'd like to extend even possible testing to a dual sub setup!
Can you advise best settings for an Arc + 2xFives? Also have the Fives horizontal or vertical? Does it make difference which way they face when vertical? Thanks!
I've decided! Thanks man.
Glad I could help!
Tell me something.... can I pair 2 Sonos five for surround and put 2 Sonos one sl in front ... can the Sonos system handle this configuration? Of course...using the Sonos arc as a center chanel
I am in similar dilemma now.
I just bought the Sonos Arc on sale for $850 CAD plus 12% taxes here and two Sonos Five for $1060 CAD plus 12% taxes (awesome deals) but trying to justify if I need the Sub ?, please advise.
It is not the money but trying to think if it would really add to the experience?
Hi Peter. I love your videos but I have a question for you. Would you say that your deviate phantom reactors have a higher bass output or your Sonos sub gen 3? I saw in your video a while back saying the Sonos sub had less surface area for its woofers than the phantom reactors had so I'm curious to see which actually has higher output. Thanks! You helped me choose my Sonos playbar, sub gen 3 and 2x Sonos one gen 2s! Keep up the good work!
Hey James, that is a question that I have been trying to answer myself still. Sound is a b*tch to measure and evaluate objectively as there are so many variables. Having lived with the phantom reactors for a bit longer and having deployed them around the house in various setups, my take is that the reactors have a smoother more even bass. It is, afterall, a stereo subwoofer setup if you may.
But, in terms of pure output at any given frequency, the Sonos Sub still gives more of a kick. It hits you harder in the chest when an explosion or a gun shot goes off.
Hi, firstly many thanks for the great videos which are extremely helpful and informative. Id like to ask if a Sub can be paired with 2 x Play 5s for music and in the same room also with the Arc for movies? Was going to use the Play 5s for surrounds but have decided use just for music, hopefully with the bass providing some extra bass. Appreciate your advice.
I have two fives and era 100 can you help me surround them all… only the eras are able to surround
New subscriber here what absolutely brilliant reviews on sonos 👍👍
Welcome aboard! And thank you for your support!
I have a arc with sub and two rear sl i was thinking about adding a second sub should i swap the sL for 5’s instead of adding second sub
Can you comment on what both the 2x Fives as surrounds, plus the Sonos sub sounds like with the Arc?
I'm about to get into the Sonos ecosystem to replace a dedicated 7.1.4 system while I am in a rental home where I can't install speakers. I've watched a lot of your very informative videos and find REW graphs very useful! I plan to get an Arc with 2 subs; and wanted your opinion on getting a pair of Fives's as the surrounds vs the One SL's? Is that upgrade worthwhile in this setup?
I would love to see the REW response with the Arc, 2 Subs and 2 Fives (if you already made a video with that comparison I haven't come across it yet).
I have made so many different videos I am starting to lose track (actually already did) of the videos that I have made. I must have done that test before but may not have actually made that video.
Instead of waiting for me to get round to it, I will just tell you upfront, not worth it. the dual subs are going to give you all the bass that you need. The Fives come in handy as surrounds if you need more volume but with dual subs, your ARC and Ones as surrounds are going to be liberated to do more of their things so overall, the volume is already plenty loud.
Don't get me wrong, it is better... but, not worth so much extra.
@@PeterPee Thank you very much, I appreciate all your research and information! I can't believe those subs reach into the 20hz range at all, so that's great.
I recently sold my home where I had a 7.1.4 with a Power Sound Audio dual 15" sealed sub; which in my room is flat to 8hz (I wish I could attach the REW screenshot) and in my new place I cannot install surround speakers or have room for that beast of a sub, so the Sonos Arc w/dual subs will have to suffice.
Thanks again for all the information!
I like the Arc/Sub Gen 3 Better! I have this setup and Love it!
Hi Peter, great videos and research. Want to see what you think about adding (2) Sonos 3 to my rear, I currently have the latest Sonos Arc + Sub. Is the sound quality much better than the One/SL for rears? Thanks!
Yes, the sound is very much louder with a pair of Play:3 as compared to the Ones/SL.
Can’t wait for it!!!!
How does it work when playing normal stereo music (spotify) In a arc + 2x five set up? Will it play on all the speakers? Does it sound better because of the fives?
is it much better instead of the arc with the sub and the ones? (for stereo music)
@@barttimmer5199 it will fill up the room with sound, though I believe it will not be satisfying for pure stereo imaging etc as.they are placed behind you in the normal sitting position
I have increased the volume of the full surround when playing music to +15. That way, the Fives will play full bandwidth and also be louder than the Arc. It's a cheat. Not the best way but Sonos has no easy way to pop the fives out of surround duties into Stereo and back again.
So would one sonos arc trump one sonos five (not in a stereo pair) for music.
What is the layout of speakers in room?
Love the sound of the five
Peter.....I added the Sonos amp too drive my surrounds with the arc. I am waiting on the gen 3 sub to be shipped. I see there are some accessories available to mount the sub on a wall. What do you think of this? Will the amp work as well mounted on a wall compared to just sitting on the floor? Thanks...love your show.
I meant to say the “sub” being mounted on the wall.
I have never tried to mount a sub on the wall before. But I did elevate a 12” regular sub off the floor before. I placed it on the third console and very quickly put it back on the floor. The floor lends some reinforcement to the bass notes so I didn’t like it when they were raised.
Dear Peter,
I've recently upgraded my sonos playbar to an Arc. Straight out of the box, i felt that the ARC is somehow lacking the in the bass and and lower mid section when compared to a playbar.
That leaves me wonder whether am I not tuning it properly? or it is lacking in those section when compared to a playbar; which leads me to my next question.
Does pairing with with sub or the sonos 5s help to meet the lack that I'm searching for?
Surround sound for now is not a priority yet, but the lack of lower mid and bass is a thorn in the flesh for now. I listen more on music and movies that has more conversation.
Which would you recommend in the long run for bang of the buck? Thanks in advance!
Sub. I could just answer the question with 3 letters but I want to make it clearer. S. U. B. Get the sub for the arc. :)
@@PeterPee very clear!thanks !thank you for making the decision for me!
Haha. I am confident you’ll enjoy it! Very much!
@@PeterPee AMEN!
@@PeterPee would also like to ask, where does the sonos play1 stand in the lineup of sonos product today? Is it still worthwhile to invest if there is sales. Thanks
Hi, excellent content! I currently see great deals for Sonos Play 5 second gen and beam in the aftermarket. How good is beam setup with two fives?
It’s a powerful setup but the fives might overpower the beam.
Sonos five are amazing but using it as a surround sound is an overkill. The ones works perfect for surrounds while the pair Sonos 5s works best for music.
Agreed.
Its stupid to use 5's as surround when they sound alot better than the arc soundbar.
Hi pee I just go the sonos one sl and believe me I’m thinking of change de ones for the sonos five 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻😂😂😂
Jonathan, have you heard the fives in person? They are one of those speakers that you look at and wonder how in the world they manage to extract so much bass from a speaker that size. And then I look at the SVS Prime towers that I have paired with a 300WPC Emotiva XPA Gen 3 and I sold the amp+speakers.
Sorry to have shoved you deeper into the rabbit hole.
Peter Pee not in person but the way you speak about them! I am 100% sure they sound the way you said.I can’t way 👂 the sonos 5 💪💪
Hi Peter, Another fantastic video! Thanks for the great work! I love your channels and detailed reviews. One question, in the two sound clips at the end of the video the Sonos fives sound slightly muffled or at least the voices do. Do you think this is an accurate representation of a real life setup? It’s almost as if the sub creates a cleaner more crisp sound?
With a sub, the sound is cleaner. Because the Arc doesn't have to work its amps to create bass.
If you do the sound test with a gr8t quality head phones your view would change the both sounds amazing but your better going with the 5's bc you get the best of nlboth worlds. You'll get the bass & the surround sound with the 5's but if you perfer a more heavier bass you should go with Sub gen 3.. gr8t work Peter and I love love the sound check with both pieces of equipment. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽. I just bought the Sub yesterday and I can not wait to hear once it's set up. Thanks again!
Nice work! Hey Peter, just a quick question. When you had the arc mounted on the wall and came to the conclusion that it would be best 6" down from the tv, how deep from the wall was your tv? As in from the wall to the front face of the tv?
Mine is about 4 inches. If yours is flatter and goes closer to the tv you can get away with a shorter distance below the tv.
Hi, can you do a video comparing and your thoughts on sonos arc + sub vs stereo sonos five without sub.. so price is more equal.. which u think is more enjoyable for music and movie. thank you.
For music, definitely the pair of Fives. For movies, surely the Arc. The Fives cannot really take TV input at all.
Amazing findings, very interesting results, thanks very much! But i am curious now, given the $300 difference, which would better if you throw in two One's into the sub combo?
This question was asked a lot these 2 days! Well, If I were to listen to any amount of music, I’d get the fives. If it’s purely for home theatre functions, definitely the sub and the ones.
Is there an option to use the Sonos five as L/R Channel and the the arc as center/Atmos at the same time?
No. This has not been implemented yet. Or maybe ever.
Hi Peter I just bought the arc3, 2 gen3 subs and 2 SL 1's. I was thinking of adding maybe two 5's or two ceiling speakers, do you think this is overkill?? Nothing has been installed yet waiting for the arc to arrive
No, don't add two more fives. It doesn't integrate well. You can replace the 2 SL with 2 fives but no point adding the two Fives, or ceiling speakers. It will mess up the sound stage.
Hello sir...do you recommend placing acoustic foams on your walls when using the Sonos surround system in the theater room?
No. Sonos actually requires the bouncing of waves to make it work well. I’d say no, unless you’re using the fives and purely for music.
Peter Pee got it! Thank you!
Another brilliant video! Thanks mate.
Just a quick question to you and your community- what would you say is better set up surround sound with Arc-Sub-2XPlay5s or Arc-2Ones and 2XSub Gen 3s? (Shamelessly I like heavy base)
The incremental performance of the 5s over the the Ones in surround is MUCH smaller than the Dual sub over single sub. So i'd say go for the 2x sub Gen 3s..
@@PeterPee So is Arc-2OneSLs-2xSubGen3s 'better' than Arc-2Fives-1SubGen3?
Hello peter, would it be possible if i pair the beam gen 2 with the 5's?
Hey Peter, I have a question about the Sonos Five. I really want to buy one but I don't have internet at home. I just want to use the Line-In but I heard that for some weird reason you still need internet to use the Line-In. Is there anyway around this? Thanks!
Oh god... That's a real problem. You can't. When you launch the Sonos App, it will search for wifi and look for your Sonos speaker on that wifi before you can even play. In fact, I believe you even need it to setup.
I don't believe there is a way to use an un-configured Sonos Five for its line-in port. Need to register.
The only way to get Sonos without wifi is... Sonos Move.
@@PeterPee I see, thank you. I was looking at the Move but the sound quality is weak compared to the Five.
Peter can you do a curve comparison of Beam + 2x Fives vs Beam + Sub?
I see what you are getting at there. Don't get the Fives with the Beam. In surround configuration, the Fives will get the lower bass frequencies cut off and you won't get enough rumble out of them. They make the overall sound much much louder but you will still be missing out on the LFE (Low frequency effects) mix. Get the Sub!
.... What would you say about getting two fives and sub with arc to cover both surround for movies and music experience?
That should be the best setup for Movies and Music experience. Set the surrounds to play full range and increase the volume to +15 for music. And when you are listening to music, face the rear fives. That should give you a very good experience.
Hi, how do I connect 2 play 5’s Gen 2 with Sonos Arc, on app it shows add compatible surround speaker !!
If you have the play 5 gen 2, they should be compatible. They are on the Sonos s2 platform right? If you are on the Sonos arc, you’re running s2.
Excited 😊
Amazing work as usual Peter! I think the final question on all of this is, what is better between arc and 5's as surrounds or arc with sub and 1's as surrounds as this is more similar in price. I currently own the arc and will be taking delivery of the sub this week. My plan was to add 1's later on but now I am wondering if I should return the sub and get 5's for surrounds 🤔
Stay with the sub with ones. You will love the sub. My recommendation is for those who won’t see themselves completing the system. If you have plans to buy the ones later, stick to that plane.
@@PeterPee I know this is old but have you tried doing arc plus sub with ones as surrounds vs the same with fives as surrounds ( in master bedroom)? Are the fives overkill in that setup?
New subscriber to your channel. Thank you for the informative video!
Thanks for the sub!
Hi Mr. Pee!
May I know how much total Power Sound Watts for each of Sonos Arc, Sub (Gen 3), and One SL Pair, please?
Thank you very much!
I did a video on that.. Adding up each component on its own, you are looking at close to 500W of real power. Not PMPO. But power draw from the wall, at peak outputs. But no one listens that way. And pairing them in a full surround config will channel power away from some speakers (like the surround).
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Dear Mr. Peter Pee,
May I know what the PMPO is? Because I have seen there are a lot of Soundbars in the market and they have more than 800W, does that mean better than Sonos Arc, Sub Gen 3, Surround One SL Pair?
Would you recommend 2 Sonos 5s or Sub and Sonos S1s?
Can you pair all of them together. Arc Baf ,Fives and subwoofer??
Yes it can.
First of all thank you for all the very well and detailed videos,after watching your videos I finally bought a Sonos five ,so my question is if I buy a Sonos arc,does it work with only one Sonos five ?(it‘s on my plans to buy a second Sonos five,but first I think about to buy the arc)
No. If you want the Arc to work with the fives as surround, you need a pair of them. One won't work.
@@PeterPee ok,thank you Peter! :-)
Nice videos Peter, glad that you are doing something different with your approach. I watch many if not all of your videos.
Question on the Arc + 5s + Sub::
1. Won’t the FRC be different when you actually run TruePlay, where the Sonos system will lower the 5s bass response and channel them to the sub instead (just like what it does for the Arc)?
2. If the Sonos system does this as per #1, how much different will the rears be in comparison to the 1s or 3s vs the 5? Point here is, money could be saved if TruePlay causes similar behavior, with all settings being equal (not over boosting the ambient or full range in the S2 app for rears)
3. Would putting money into dual subs and 1s as surround give better performance than one sub and 5s as surrounds?
Appreciate your thoughts on this. Keep up the great work! Thanks!
Sitting here as I listening to my arc paired to 2 ones. I find myself turning my ONES down or else they overpower my arc. The arc just seems flat (I have zero tec experience but that’s my layman term). Would two FIVES paired to two ONES be better than the arc?
Would adding a subwoofer be an option for you?
@@PeterPee correction. I have the arc paired to two moves. (Not ones). Yes the sub was not in stock at the time of purchase but it’s ordered. I just feel they they talked the arc up so much that I thought it would blow my mind Here’s my question. Two Fives paired to two moves and a sub vs. two moves, the arc and sub. What would be better
The Sub Gen 3 is currently on sale for $599, and I was very tempted to add it to my Arc + Fives setup before I watched this video. Since I have this setup currently in my living room where there's no TV (yet), it's only for music and it sounds awesome. Given the marginal (based on @Peter's frequency response graphs) improvements that would be provided by adding the sub, I've decided not to buy it for now.
Yes, it's not that great an additional if it is to a pair of FIVES. The FIVES are that good.
@@PeterPee After listening to a variety of music that I enjoy for the past few days, I concluded that the Surround Audio “Music Level” setting needed to be adjusted “-3” because the Fives sounded a bit louder than the Arc with the default setting of "0." Now the sound stage is quite immerse even for music, which is not coded with Dolby Atmos. My next experiment will be to signup for a trial subscription of Tidal to listen to some music that is coded with Dolby Atmos and to try to hear the difference.
Bass is normally non directional as I know, does the fact that all the bass in the 5+Arc setup is coming directly from the back. ..isnt it harming the hearing experience? Leave the scientific measures aside?
I moved it back to my regular position and I toggled the sub on and off. You can sense that the whole room is uniformly louder when the fives have to do its job without the sub. I don’t think it sounded weird though. But with the sub on, the thumping is more powerful at the mid bass region.