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I agree. Was literally my favourite channel from around 2016-2018. Me and my friends would always share their videos for each other. Haven't really paid that much attention in the past 3 years but now that they're back I'm glad
True but if you only know like 2 songs and can't even name the album they're from, you shouldn't wear their merchandise, only a fool advertises or embraces something they literally don't know. You don't claim to like a book after reading the first chapter lol, you just liked the first chapter, that's it.
tough to say who "deserves" it and who doesn't. I would say they reached a high level of popularity and are pretty successful where they are right now. there are many great bands who have been around for 10+ years, who am I to judge who deserves more success...
@@frankunodostres473 it's less whether they "deserve it" or not, but rather the hate Spiritbox gets from unwashed weirdos online is beyond ridiculous and 11/10 times reeks of "how DARES this band get popular", as if any band chooses to get popular on any level.
@@Falxifer95 oh that's what you mean. Idk if that makes sense. Every band has people that dislike them. I don't see them getting more hate than other big bands tbh. I don't think the sentiment is "how dare they get famous". More like "there are other similar bands that don't get the same love. Why is that". And that's fair.
I would say they’re accurately rated, i do agree with Dicky thought, i think it’s how fast they got that big that turns them off to people who enjoy liking great bands with smaller followings
@@cinamonrollcutie2210 idk either, probably just sad jealous internet trolls. She has awesome vocals and great stage presence, I don't understand what there is to hate?
@@cinamonrollcutie2210 People are aloud to not find them amazing like you people. It's not the only reason why people say their overrated. Like I say there overrated because I'm just not as overly impressed as others with them. I'm not crazy for a lot of modren metalcore bands The singer doesn't blow me away the music doesn't blow me away like some many have said. There's other female singers I prefer like Maria Arkhipova from Arkona .
@@superstarthomasI agree. Courtney is the one who screams right? Her screaming is so forced, try hard and overrated. Not everyone likes that type of screaming. I think bands like Fame on Fire are better at screaming.
Great video. Two takes that I have that I'm not sure if they're considered hot or not are: 1. Most subgenres nowadays are pointless. If only two bands fall into your "genre" you just wanna feel special. 2. I agree with Austin Nu Metals the sh*t and I feel it gets a lot of unfair hate since a lot of people hate on the bad bands and attribute the good bands to other genres.
I only disagree with the first point because we have the term ‘microgenre’ to cover styles only involving a small number of bands. I think it’s cool to have those labels as a way for those bands to distinguish themselves and give their cult followings something to talk about, but I do agree that these genre labels are really redundant in terms of musical taxonomy.
Nu Metal is amazing... but the biggest bands that typically represent nu metal often suck, like all but like 2 or 3 Korn albums. The genre as a whole is fucking great, especially with how it's evolved.
Fellow nu-metal lover here! I'll die on that hill with you Austin! Nu-metal is my heart, soul, and childhood. It'll always be near and dear to my heart even when/if I outgrow it 🤘🤘
He said the mother of a trans kid should be burned to death. That is something that should insta-fire someone by default. But as it seems, this was the lat straw
Here’s a hot take: I personally believe that many metalcore bands would not be what they are if Fear Factory never existed. Soul Of A New Machine (1992) was one of the first albums I ever heard that had brutal death metal growls along with the clean vocals as well. Not to mention Dinos amazing guitar work on it.
As someone that was an adult before Nu-Metal existed there's something never really mentioned in these discussions on it. Nu-Metal is a label, not a genre. In no world should it be true that Slipknot is the same 'sub-genre' as Lincoln Park. It was a label being put on bands that metal gatekeepers used to say "I don't like this" and then over time it came to mean any group that became publicly popular (playing on MTV, attending award shows, etc.) between 96 and 2005 (or so). It's a 'generation' time-based label for anything people saw a selling out or gimmicky or 'for the kids' or 'not real metal' in that era. That era of metal community was probably the most extreme gatekeeping I've lived through. same era that 'kvlt', 'not REAL metal', 'grunge isn't metal', 'is hair metal REAL metal or pop rock?', etc. That shit was EVERYWHERE. Lots of bands got tossed in there just because they got those big radio/tv plays regardless of what type of music they actually played.
I understand what you're trying to say But nah, you're wrong. Nu Metal is basically any metal or vaguely metal band that shows heavy industrial and rap influences. Korn, Linkin Park, Slipknot, Mudvayne, Static X, Tallah, Limp Bizkit, etc.
Seeing as Austin is such a nu-metaller and an aggressive rap over heavy riff enjoyer, I really really hope he’s into Gridiron and Pain of Truth. Both definitely hardcore bands, I ain’t calling them nu metal, but they got some songs that fit the bill
My "Hot Metal Take" is that metalheads care way too much about subgenres and microgenres and only makes the music less appealing to people, because no one will want to get into anything if the first thing they see is a chart, and those differences boil down to aesthetics and presentation.
Genres have not been relevant since the 2000s. Think about how many bands are labeled core these days despite having no actual hardcore influence. We need to free ourselves from the chains of trying to work within strict gente labels
Content suggestion: -Both of your "top 10 best breakdowns ever" (not including mental breakdowns sorry) -Both of your musical influences and idols -Both of your musical backgrounds maybe? TH-cam inspiration? How did everything started? You know, more like "facts about you" type of shit. (Corny, but still a content) -The much awaited part 3 of "metalcore vocalists tier list" 😭(you may have forgotten about it lol) -Death metal vocalists tier list -Post-hardcore vocalists tier list? -Maybe do some reactions on horror/mystery channels if you're into it? -Maybe bring back doing vocal covers? I love your consistency lately. bois! Thank you for that!
I made it into a Dickey Dines Show. I can die happy now... wtf am I doing with my life. Oh yeah programming drums for my solo album.... I'm part of my problem.
everybody has aspirations but not everybody has the ability to get a group together, technology allows anybody to take their shot if they want to go for it and commit.
If like myself you're in your late 30s, Nu Metal was your gateway into metal. It will always have a special place in my heart as it just represents that period in my life, being a teenager at high school and hearing Slipknot and Korn for the first time, burning the albums on to my XBOX and listening to them whilst playing Tony Hawks Pro Skater 3.
This is all I listen too while I do my makeup now ♥️ I used to listen to brutal murder podcasts but I needed something I don’t have to use my brain for 😂❤ in the best way
Idk if its a hot take, but I'm bothered how many bands don't have a bassist. I know their effects and 9 string guitars can help fill the sound, but it simply is not a replacement and it shows. Especially live.
Yeah as a mainly metal guitarist myself… it’s really sad to me that a lot of bands see the bass as just an “afterthought” or “eh just play the root note and hire someone to play it live for us”. The bass is such a cool instrument and needs more recognition in modern metal, more bands should take influence from primus or something
I felt the same way about Spiritbox till i listened to the live vocal stuff...and then went on Spotify and listened to all their stuff. The singles collection and the first album are so underrated
I hope yall can continue to stay consistent without any issues because this is one of my favorite channels if not my favorite channel on the platform, keep up the great content. Looking forward to having another thing to look forward to every week. I'll hopefully be able t join the patreon by next month, my bills are outrageous this month so cant quite yet
In my thirties and it seem the older I get I'm less into death metal. Not that I hate it now. It just doesn't speak to me like it used to growing up. I'm far more into heavy and power metal than ever before now. And synthwave funnily enough. It just feels right. I will say Insomnium is still my favorite death metal band. Their stuff is just hauntingly beautiful.
Funny enough I've changed alot over the Past decade. In high school all I cared for was Thrash. After graduating i got more into Death Metal then eventually Power Metal . Now for the past two years I've been gravitating more towards Black Metal. It's crazy how our tastes evolve. Although Black, Death and Power are by far my top 3 and I don't see it changing anytime soon
That second to last comment is so true and if you need any proof look at how particularly Demi Lovato(which she’s more rock than anything now) and Myrkur got treated at first when they shifted. Both started as pop stars have a genuine appreciation for metal in their own right and yet when they decided to make music closer to that suddenly a lot of people took out their inner Regina George “you can’t sit with us” mentality.
"Metal has saved more lives than big pharma" Well there's a patch I will add. Not only in life or death but my quality of life literally sky rocketed as someone with ADHD since listening to metal. Yes I am medicated but holy fuck, metal made it worth living, not only surviving.
i think selling out IS a thing, but i think elitists are quick to say that a band changing their sound is always selling out, even when bands are just changing things up for creative reasons. one example that comes quick to mind is Avenged Sevenfold, they started off really Metalcore and then after several albums started to do different sounding albums, which caused the elite Metalcore fans to be like "you sold out! pandering to the normies!" and that was all before their latest album which while i personally dont dig it, i respect them exercizing their creative freedom.
A7X are a great example, because they always had a very clear vision, where Matt was going to phase out the screams and transition into 100% singing by City of Evil. Which is incidentally the album that people actually know about.
@@DragonTigerBossYeah but that same grace and direction definitely is not present past that era between metal core avenged and modern avenged. I wouldn't say they "sold out" but they did heavily adapt their sound to suit modern audiences and not purely for artistic reasons, Hail to the King in particular felt hella cheap. The Stage also felt pretty weak for being lauded as "progressive", I guess it is by avengeds standards, but I haven't heard the latest album so I can't speculate too much about this current cycle, I just remember being really let down after Self Titled and Nightmare.
I'll have to agree with the early metalcore take. Stuff like Norma Jean and Every Time I Die feel a lot more distinct than newer stuff coming out. But it happens with all genres and sub-genres. Eventually, a genre will converge into the things that have worked before.
And Norma Jean, for example, had a period when they tried to do the whole "this is metalcore now" thing and they kinda sucked because their heart wasn't in it. But their last two albums are just "Fuck it! We're on our weird shit again!" and they've been great.
Courtney was their vocalist on the last two records, so not a founding member. She also said in an interview with Revolver, when asked what song she never wants to hear again, part of her answer was "anything from my old band." I personally avoided IWABO because the all-lower-case, all-one-word thing struck me as annoying screamo bullshit, and you can't exactly argue with me if Courtney agrees. 🙃
If a band blows up, its always for a reason right. Lorna Shore had a core following sure, but Pain Remains absolutely blew Lorna Shore into a mainstay in deathcore, and even beyond deathcore. But for good reason too.
As a drummer i just wait for everything to get to me and i add drums. I have free reign to give ideas and also write songs to give to them but i dont, i feel it works better when you stick to your part. Yeah i give riff ideas and lyric suggestions but not many because its not my part.
The whole "more gatekeepers are needed" is... relatable, but not for metal. A lot of good things, especially in the video game space, are ruined by sudden mainstream popularity and the creators of the things trying to cater to the new fans that don't fucking know the thing well at all and expect it to be a certain way that it historically is not, while saying it shouldn't be the way that is literally the reason much of the core fanbase likes it. Games like Monster Hunter and basically the entire soulslike genre are a lot like this
100% right regarding the "one man band" takes. Most bands have 1 or 2 writers and that's it. I was in various metalcore bands for almost a decade throughout the late 2000s/early 2010s. I wrote 95% of the instruments and the vocalist did his thing. Another good point mentioned is technology now. In mid 2000s the extent of tech was writing out songs on guitar pro and then trying to record it with a useless line6 guitar pod into Audacity. (There was better tech - but even 10 years ago it was simply out of reach for the average younger person). These days recording software/plug-ins are really accessible and TH-cam can do a decent job educating people now. Pretty much all "home recordings" in the 2000s Era would be considered hot garbage these days. I have recordings of a band I was in, in the late 2000s - that we paid (at the time) a good chunk of money for in a real studio - that sound worse than stuff I record now on my laptop. In the early 2000s learning guitar I had to find random sites and print out tabs (that were usually wrong) and go with it 😅. Forget about TH-cam and various learning apps.
The reason nu metal is more "respected" now is simply because a lot of people in their 30's now (the gatekeeper crowd) are the people who grew up listening to it. Bands like Korn and Slipknot were fucking despised by the metal scene in the late 90's/early 00's. The same thing happened with like pop punk/skate punk - if you thought Nofx was "real" punk in the 90's, you were immediately labeled a poser, now Fat Mike is literally the curator of the museum of punk.
The thing about mainstream artists doing less popular genres is i think it depends on whether the artists make their new non-mainstream projects good or bad. An example of a good switch is Lil Yachty's new psychedelic rock album. That album is now considered his best work yet by many people, and Yachty is a rapper! An example of a bad switch is MGK going into pop punk. He got clowned on even more than he was during his rapper days.
I think some of the best bands came out of Covid really. Fucking Darko, Fromjoy, Omerta, Soulkeeper, No Face No Case And then bands that really changed during Covid like Within Destruction, Vctms, FoxLake, Paledusk, Varials, and Alpha Wolf I love that crazy innovation more than huge releases of the same kinda music, in any genre too. And those bands really push the genre envelope in such a crazy insane way they almost become like admired just for morphing so drastically.
Another longtime nu metal apologist here. When I met my boyfriend 7 years ago he was resistant at first, but after I reassured him that it's okay to openly enjoy korn here, this is a safe space, he embraced the lifestyle
There’s a reason nü-Metal has aged so well. It’s the most adaptable and accessible metal subgenre out there. It’s fucking awesome and there’s so much you can do with it
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I agree. Was literally my favourite channel from around 2016-2018. Me and my friends would always share their videos for each other. Haven't really paid that much attention in the past 3 years but now that they're back I'm glad
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Happy return of the show
most of us love this show just as much as we did 4 years ago. y’all are great
You don't have to know an entire discography to be a fan of a band you don't need to know every fucking note they wrote.
True but if you only know like 2 songs and can't even name the album they're from, you shouldn't wear their merchandise, only a fool advertises or embraces something they literally don't know. You don't claim to like a book after reading the first chapter lol, you just liked the first chapter, that's it.
Both of these are true, but they’re also both extremely exaggerated.
@@xravenx24fe Bad analogy. Also, if you really like those 2 songs so much that they're on your daily repeat, you're definitely a fan.
"we're being consistent" ✨
And thank you for your content guys! Have a great day
Courtney/Spiritbox deserve to blow up ,they have put in 10+ years of hard work good on them.
Abso-fricken-lutely.
tough to say who "deserves" it and who doesn't. I would say they reached a high level of popularity and are pretty successful where they are right now. there are many great bands who have been around for 10+ years, who am I to judge who deserves more success...
@@frankunodostres473 it's less whether they "deserve it" or not, but rather the hate Spiritbox gets from unwashed weirdos online is beyond ridiculous and 11/10 times reeks of "how DARES this band get popular", as if any band chooses to get popular on any level.
@@Falxifer95 oh that's what you mean. Idk if that makes sense. Every band has people that dislike them. I don't see them getting more hate than other big bands tbh.
I don't think the sentiment is "how dare they get famous". More like "there are other similar bands that don't get the same love. Why is that". And that's fair.
I would say they’re accurately rated, i do agree with Dicky thought, i think it’s how fast they got that big that turns them off to people who enjoy liking great bands with smaller followings
I had never heard of Spiritbox until I seen them live at knotfest, and they went hard. I can honestly see why they blew up.
@@cinamonrollcutie2210 idk either, probably just sad jealous internet trolls. She has awesome vocals and great stage presence, I don't understand what there is to hate?
@@cinamonrollcutie2210 People are aloud to not find them amazing like you people. It's not the only reason why people say their overrated. Like I say there overrated because I'm just not as overly impressed as others with them. I'm not crazy for a lot of modren metalcore bands The singer doesn't blow me away the music doesn't blow me away like some many have said. There's other female singers I prefer like Maria Arkhipova from Arkona .
@@cinamonrollcutie2210how do you know it’s mainly men? Have you looked through every comment section just to find men lmfao
@@superstarthomasI agree. Courtney is the one who screams right? Her screaming is so forced, try hard and overrated. Not everyone likes that type of screaming. I think bands like Fame on Fire are better at screaming.
Great video. Two takes that I have that I'm not sure if they're considered hot or not are:
1. Most subgenres nowadays are pointless. If only two bands fall into your "genre" you just wanna feel special.
2. I agree with Austin Nu Metals the sh*t and I feel it gets a lot of unfair hate since a lot of people hate on the bad bands and attribute the good bands to other genres.
Very true. If The Devil Wears Prada and Kubla KhanTX are both "metalcore" then that label means absolutely nothing
I only disagree with the first point because we have the term ‘microgenre’ to cover styles only involving a small number of bands. I think it’s cool to have those labels as a way for those bands to distinguish themselves and give their cult followings something to talk about, but I do agree that these genre labels are really redundant in terms of musical taxonomy.
Well it depends on what people think those bad bands and good bands are.
Nu Metal is amazing... but the biggest bands that typically represent nu metal often suck, like all but like 2 or 3 Korn albums. The genre as a whole is fucking great, especially with how it's evolved.
Fellow nu-metal lover here! I'll die on that hill with you Austin! Nu-metal is my heart, soul, and childhood. It'll always be near and dear to my heart even when/if I outgrow it 🤘🤘
I'm still waiting for the heaviest breakdowns! I hope you'll bring that back!
Fr, that’s how I found spite
I’m so happy the TDDS is still alive. It’s just fun, low-stakes, enjoyable, and compact. We love it here
The Thy Art is Murder take might get even more hot since they just fired CJ the other day
More than deserved imo. No one needs transphobia anywhere
@@metalpuppet5798exactly, cj didn’t just say some one off thing, he posted and went on a sort of transphobic “rant”
@@lilgarbage3796 I had read the band has apparently not been pleased with him for awhile now, and this was the final straw
He said the mother of a trans kid should be burned to death. That is something that should insta-fire someone by default. But as it seems, this was the lat straw
@@danielschnitzer7044 yeah. What he said recently is definitely more than enough for them to stay FAR away from this f***tard
I’m so fortunate to be alive in the time of DickeyDines uploading
Here’s a hot take: I personally believe that many metalcore bands would not be what they are if Fear Factory never existed. Soul Of A New Machine (1992) was one of the first albums I ever heard that had brutal death metal growls along with the clean vocals as well. Not to mention Dinos amazing guitar work on it.
Fear factory then numetal then kill switch engage then metalcore
ABSOLUTELY AGREE 100%.
Tim Lambesis is innocent had me spitting out my food that's incredible lmfao
He is an ass
glad to see you back fellas. i’d love to see more music fail reactions, those were the good ole days.
you two warm my heart everytime you step infront of the camera! keep it coming! love the chemistry you two have
love that y’all post on monday’s, makes the start of my week 10x better❤️
As someone that was an adult before Nu-Metal existed there's something never really mentioned in these discussions on it. Nu-Metal is a label, not a genre. In no world should it be true that Slipknot is the same 'sub-genre' as Lincoln Park. It was a label being put on bands that metal gatekeepers used to say "I don't like this" and then over time it came to mean any group that became publicly popular (playing on MTV, attending award shows, etc.) between 96 and 2005 (or so). It's a 'generation' time-based label for anything people saw a selling out or gimmicky or 'for the kids' or 'not real metal' in that era. That era of metal community was probably the most extreme gatekeeping I've lived through. same era that 'kvlt', 'not REAL metal', 'grunge isn't metal', 'is hair metal REAL metal or pop rock?', etc. That shit was EVERYWHERE. Lots of bands got tossed in there just because they got those big radio/tv plays regardless of what type of music they actually played.
I understand what you're trying to say
But nah, you're wrong.
Nu Metal is basically any metal or vaguely metal band that shows heavy industrial and rap influences. Korn, Linkin Park, Slipknot, Mudvayne, Static X, Tallah, Limp Bizkit, etc.
The guy who said metal saved more people than big pharma is my hero
Seeing as Austin is such a nu-metaller and an aggressive rap over heavy riff enjoyer, I really really hope he’s into Gridiron and Pain of Truth. Both definitely hardcore bands, I ain’t calling them nu metal, but they got some songs that fit the bill
Bayway is great too
My "Hot Metal Take" is that metalheads care way too much about subgenres and microgenres and only makes the music less appealing to people, because no one will want to get into anything if the first thing they see is a chart, and those differences boil down to aesthetics and presentation.
Yeah. I think genres are only relevant when discussing music's history.
Genres have not been relevant since the 2000s. Think about how many bands are labeled core these days despite having no actual hardcore influence. We need to free ourselves from the chains of trying to work within strict gente labels
Love the return of DDS, the 2017-19 era is my comfort TH-cam videos
Content suggestion:
-Both of your "top 10 best breakdowns ever" (not including mental breakdowns sorry)
-Both of your musical influences and idols
-Both of your musical backgrounds maybe? TH-cam inspiration? How did everything started? You know, more like "facts about you" type of shit. (Corny, but still a content)
-The much awaited part 3 of "metalcore vocalists tier list" 😭(you may have forgotten about it lol)
-Death metal vocalists tier list
-Post-hardcore vocalists tier list?
-Maybe do some reactions on horror/mystery channels if you're into it?
-Maybe bring back doing vocal covers?
I love your consistency lately. bois! Thank you for that!
I made it into a Dickey Dines Show.
I can die happy now... wtf am I doing with my life.
Oh yeah programming drums for my solo album.... I'm part of my problem.
everybody has aspirations but not everybody has the ability to get a group together, technology allows anybody to take their shot if they want to go for it and commit.
I get it. I'm in that boat.
point being, it's silly to have a problem with it, if anything it's a plus.@@Speakers94
Amazing effort you guys are putting into this channel! 👏
I love the consistent flow of Dunk and Krunk
I've got a rock hot take. Sublime with Rome and modern Smashing Pumpkins albums are actually good, they're just different.
I love the guy that said Weezer created metal. It made my day 😂
If like myself you're in your late 30s, Nu Metal was your gateway into metal. It will always have a special place in my heart as it just represents that period in my life, being a teenager at high school and hearing Slipknot and Korn for the first time, burning the albums on to my XBOX and listening to them whilst playing Tony Hawks Pro Skater 3.
Dining with dickey merch?
A shirt that says "got the crunch, got the creams. That's a 10"
Austin looks like he fronts a country-core band that fuses pig squeals with country music lyrics
So, the JellyRoll of metal lmao
@@yuugur666 correct
this consistency is making this channel my favorite in the entire website of youtube
Great timing on the Thy Art hot take
There should be a "mystery shirt" merch option, and they're all just random out of context Dickey quotes.
I love the fuck out of y’allz dynamic
So glad you guys are uploading more again!! ❤
Really digging the end credits music
So glad to have content consistently from y’all. I’ve needed the laughs
I'm loving the new upload schedule, one of my favorite channels, glad I don't have to wait for the yearly dickeydines video
i keep forgetting that they have a new upload schedule.
it's a "Yo!! Oh Shit, that's right!!" moment every time.
This is all I listen too while I do my makeup now ♥️ I used to listen to brutal murder podcasts but I needed something I don’t have to use my brain for 😂❤ in the best way
Idk if its a hot take, but I'm bothered how many bands don't have a bassist. I know their effects and 9 string guitars can help fill the sound, but it simply is not a replacement and it shows. Especially live.
Yeah as a mainly metal guitarist myself… it’s really sad to me that a lot of bands see the bass as just an “afterthought” or “eh just play the root note and hire someone to play it live for us”. The bass is such a cool instrument and needs more recognition in modern metal, more bands should take influence from primus or something
I felt the same way about Spiritbox till i listened to the live vocal stuff...and then went on Spotify and listened to all their stuff. The singles collection and the first album are so underrated
7:31 love this guy's energy
“a good ol 🦆 on the mic”
Antichrist superstar by marilyn manson is a top 5 metal album of all time
I hope yall can continue to stay consistent without any issues because this is one of my favorite channels if not my favorite channel on the platform, keep up the great content. Looking forward to having another thing to look forward to every week. I'll hopefully be able t join the patreon by next month, my bills are outrageous this month so cant quite yet
I agree on the spirit box take
In my thirties and it seem the older I get I'm less into death metal. Not that I hate it now. It just doesn't speak to me like it used to growing up. I'm far more into heavy and power metal than ever before now. And synthwave funnily enough. It just feels right. I will say Insomnium is still my favorite death metal band. Their stuff is just hauntingly beautiful.
Makes sense. We tend to outgrow certain music cuz of our change in lifestyle and we just age. Nothing wrong with that.
@@mg682Yeah, I've noticed how super old people really fuck with diapercore.
Funny enough I've changed alot over the Past decade. In high school all I cared for was Thrash. After graduating i got more into Death Metal then eventually Power Metal . Now for the past two years I've been gravitating more towards Black Metal. It's crazy how our tastes evolve. Although Black, Death and Power are by far my top 3 and I don't see it changing anytime soon
Also Insomnium is freaking amazing
I'm in my 40s the new dying fetus is fucking awesome 👌
definitely agree with the Spiritbox statement. as with Sleep Token. but that's purely an opinion/taste, not a fact
Really loving all these videos! 🖤
Definitely should more parts to this episode 👌 super cool to her your opinions on metal
That second to last comment is so true and if you need any proof look at how particularly Demi Lovato(which she’s more rock than anything now) and Myrkur got treated at first when they shifted. Both started as pop stars have a genuine appreciation for metal in their own right and yet when they decided to make music closer to that suddenly a lot of people took out their inner Regina George “you can’t sit with us” mentality.
"Metal has saved more lives than big pharma"
Well there's a patch I will add.
Not only in life or death but my quality of life literally sky rocketed as someone with ADHD since listening to metal. Yes I am medicated but holy fuck, metal made it worth living, not only surviving.
ST is the new gateway band for people to be introduced to heavy music. I support it
Yeah Suicidal Tendencies is awesome
Really nice to have consistent content from you guys. No other channel makes me laugh this hard
i think selling out IS a thing, but i think elitists are quick to say that a band changing their sound is always selling out, even when bands are just changing things up for creative reasons. one example that comes quick to mind is Avenged Sevenfold, they started off really Metalcore and then after several albums started to do different sounding albums, which caused the elite Metalcore fans to be like "you sold out! pandering to the normies!" and that was all before their latest album which while i personally dont dig it, i respect them exercizing their creative freedom.
A7X are a great example, because they always had a very clear vision, where Matt was going to phase out the screams and transition into 100% singing by City of Evil. Which is incidentally the album that people actually know about.
@@DragonTigerBossYeah but that same grace and direction definitely is not present past that era between metal core avenged and modern avenged. I wouldn't say they "sold out" but they did heavily adapt their sound to suit modern audiences and not purely for artistic reasons, Hail to the King in particular felt hella cheap. The Stage also felt pretty weak for being lauded as "progressive", I guess it is by avengeds standards, but I haven't heard the latest album so I can't speculate too much about this current cycle, I just remember being really let down after Self Titled and Nightmare.
I'll have to agree with the early metalcore take. Stuff like Norma Jean and Every Time I Die feel a lot more distinct than newer stuff coming out. But it happens with all genres and sub-genres. Eventually, a genre will converge into the things that have worked before.
And Norma Jean, for example, had a period when they tried to do the whole "this is metalcore now" thing and they kinda sucked because their heart wasn't in it. But their last two albums are just "Fuck it! We're on our weird shit again!" and they've been great.
Converge… heh
Thank you Austin, for always defending Nu Metal with your chest out like I do 😂 IT REALLY IS SO GOOD
I didnt know Spiritbox were iwrestledabearonce🤦🏼♂
And i actually listened to them a lot 10 years ago
Courtney was their vocalist on the last two records, so not a founding member. She also said in an interview with Revolver, when asked what song she never wants to hear again, part of her answer was "anything from my old band."
I personally avoided IWABO because the all-lower-case, all-one-word thing struck me as annoying screamo bullshit, and you can't exactly argue with me if Courtney agrees. 🙃
12:54 ME TOO I love high screams bro
You guys are my favorite youtube channel, so glad y’all are back to posting so much and consistently
If a band blows up, its always for a reason right. Lorna Shore had a core following sure, but Pain Remains absolutely blew Lorna Shore into a mainstay in deathcore, and even beyond deathcore. But for good reason too.
Hellfire already did that.
Their blowout song was Hellfire. Pain Remains just kept them on that trajectory
Metalcore was a solved genre back in 2000's. I couldn't agree more with that take lmao
i love those community question type videos. Keep it going Guys🔥
As a drummer i just wait for everything to get to me and i add drums. I have free reign to give ideas and also write songs to give to them but i dont, i feel it works better when you stick to your part. Yeah i give riff ideas and lyric suggestions but not many because its not my part.
Exactly what I do. I give suggestions but each member should trust the expert of their instrument.
The whole "more gatekeepers are needed" is... relatable, but not for metal.
A lot of good things, especially in the video game space, are ruined by sudden mainstream popularity and the creators of the things trying to cater to the new fans that don't fucking know the thing well at all and expect it to be a certain way that it historically is not, while saying it shouldn't be the way that is literally the reason much of the core fanbase likes it.
Games like Monster Hunter and basically the entire soulslike genre are a lot like this
I've been waiting for DickeyDines Merch for at least four years now 😎😂
Enjoyed this! Keep this up guys 🔥
16:33 hell yah brother, couldn’t say it better.
100% right regarding the "one man band" takes.
Most bands have 1 or 2 writers and that's it. I was in various metalcore bands for almost a decade throughout the late 2000s/early 2010s. I wrote 95% of the instruments and the vocalist did his thing.
Another good point mentioned is technology now.
In mid 2000s the extent of tech was writing out songs on guitar pro and then trying to record it with a useless line6 guitar pod into Audacity. (There was better tech - but even 10 years ago it was simply out of reach for the average younger person).
These days recording software/plug-ins are really accessible and TH-cam can do a decent job educating people now. Pretty much all "home recordings" in the 2000s Era would be considered hot garbage these days. I have recordings of a band I was in, in the late 2000s - that we paid (at the time) a good chunk of money for in a real studio - that sound worse than stuff I record now on my laptop.
In the early 2000s learning guitar I had to find random sites and print out tabs (that were usually wrong) and go with it 😅. Forget about TH-cam and various learning apps.
I Like to hear both of you talk, your opinions are always on point
The reason nu metal is more "respected" now is simply because a lot of people in their 30's now (the gatekeeper crowd) are the people who grew up listening to it. Bands like Korn and Slipknot were fucking despised by the metal scene in the late 90's/early 00's. The same thing happened with like pop punk/skate punk - if you thought Nofx was "real" punk in the 90's, you were immediately labeled a poser, now Fat Mike is literally the curator of the museum of punk.
Now I need to hear Demi doing pig squeals 😂
Fun stuff as always!
Really good guys! Keep this going!
so good to see you again!
You guys really made my day better.
this is the comeback arc
The thing about mainstream artists doing less popular genres is i think it depends on whether the artists make their new non-mainstream projects good or bad. An example of a good switch is Lil Yachty's new psychedelic rock album. That album is now considered his best work yet by many people, and Yachty is a rapper! An example of a bad switch is MGK going into pop punk. He got clowned on even more than he was during his rapper days.
I think some of the best bands came out of Covid really. Fucking Darko, Fromjoy, Omerta, Soulkeeper, No Face No Case
And then bands that really changed during Covid like Within Destruction, Vctms, FoxLake, Paledusk, Varials, and Alpha Wolf
I love that crazy innovation more than huge releases of the same kinda music, in any genre too.
And those bands really push the genre envelope in such a crazy insane way they almost become like admired just for morphing so drastically.
Lmfao the fucking Nu Metal bit sent me 😂😂😂 Possibly the most accurate take I've ever seen
Another longtime nu metal apologist here. When I met my boyfriend 7 years ago he was resistant at first, but after I reassured him that it's okay to openly enjoy korn here, this is a safe space, he embraced the lifestyle
You guys are amazing please keep it up
12:44 well Austin, I don't think you'll be hearing anymore of CJ 😅
Y’all should do this with a bowl of hot wings
Do more of these!
11:35 is literally parkway drive imo
12:40 is a VERY spicy take after whats gone down in the last 2 days hahahah good loooorrrddddd
Mid-to late 2000 metalcore is like The Fall of Ideals by all that remains. That’s top notch metal compared to todays metalcore.
Tonight Alive are my second fav band I miss them sm 😭
Love this show!!!
There’s a reason nü-Metal has aged so well. It’s the most adaptable and accessible metal subgenre out there. It’s fucking awesome and there’s so much you can do with it
Good ol duck on the mic is great 😂😂
Lets go! New episode!
one guy writer in a band, Caleb Shomo did it and i love it
I agree with the gatekeeper thing.
Hot take. This show should be called the DinesDickey show.
Unforgiven shirt! They’re the homies
My hot take is that I manifested this return