Counterbalanced Shafts | Aldila Rogue Black 130 M.S.I.
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txg.ca - Discussing how to properly make use of counterbalanced golf shafts and who they might benefit. In this video we specifically test the Aldila Rogue Black 130 in a Cobra F9 driver head, and using the adjustable weights we compare different configurations and their results.
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
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These types of videos are the best you make. Love the insight into how small changes affect timing, strike, ballspeed, etc.
Another terrific master class for us mere mortals from the Professor And this is why you get fitted. Huge difference.
John fit me for the Green 60 S in the Cobra F9 on my visit to TXG and man do I love it. Seeing 15-20 yrds with more accuracy with the build
We've been doing a lot of counter balancing in our shop recently. Adding additional weight ro existing shafts. Mixed results, but a couple customers got the trifecta if distance, dispersion and accuracy just adding 10-12 grams to the butt.
Great vid as always, thanx! 😀👍 jumbomax is releasing a normal weight xl grip in 5 days. The regular jumbomax xl grip would, I guess, function as a counterbalance weight at 120g. Would be great to gave Matt try them both to see the difference even though I know he does like thin grips... I dont understand why no one is reviewing jumbomax. Sometimes golfers are so scared or unwilling of trying something new. I took a shot and ordered jumbomax xl grips with medium hands 2 years ago and they have given me such control and comfort holding the club... Will order the regular weight xl grips as soon as released.😁 Playing a regular grip now feels like holding the steel...😂😂 Keep it up guys!!
Thanks for the clarification on this guys. What Ian says at the 14:50 mark sums it up nicely as to why you'd even consider a CB shaft. I was confused as to what net benefit you'd see if you just end up kinda countering the counter balance with more head weight. :) Good stuff.
Perfect timing, I ordered this shaft and It just arrived, this helped me decide which club i think it would work best for
How does this one contrast with the Silver of the same name?
Just went to a Rogue Black 110 from my factory Tensei Orange in my M5, theoretically not that different of profiles but the difference in results was massive for me
This past year I had gone to Jumbomax grips at 90grams and increased the height of my ball flight, it also created more ball dispersion over time. My score started going up and I noticed that I was losing where my clubhead was in the swing. I finally went back to a 56gram oversize grip and the first thing I noticed that my dispersion improved, my ball flight came down and my score improved. I really liked the feel of the Jumbomax but they definitely backweighted my clubs. Backweighting is a uncharted area in golf.
not many fitters out there would ever bother to change head weight. Cool video.
Good info guys!
I use a cobra f9 ..and funny enough iv never played with anyone who uses one either but i constantly get asked what im hitting and there blown away by the distance and accuracy...
Just goes to show that marketing works well on there target market avg joe who doesnt do alot of reasearch...just knows callaway taylormade ping
Same here F9 with tensei pro orange 70 (sometimes Ventus) and people can't believe it when I tell them cobra. But I have been playing Cobra's consistently for 4 or 5 years now and the comments keep coming.
Has Mr. Ian Fraser found a hashtag that pretty much sums up and describes TXG to a tee. #txgfeelenergy take that Larry #trusttheprocess ... boo yah. 😂 Thanks for the video very interesting 👍👍👍
Great stuff guys. I tried Tensei Orange a little while ago with the Ping G410 and I could definitely time it well. I never thought I'd like a counter balance shaft.
This video makes me wonder if I should switch to a high balance shaft and add weight to my Epic driver. Head weighs around 198g but I'm using a HZRDUS Smoke. I tend to not like D4/D5 though as my old Cobra was D5 and I really struggled. I switched to Epic because it was lighter.. Hitting it much further and way straighter.
Can't wait for the Adila Rogue White 130 MSI in 2020
Totally agree about the build also needing to be right. I gave up off the shelf clubs in 2009, effectively anything I bought needed to be rebuilt. Initial costs might be higher but longer term it pays off as you end up with clubs that are a best fit for purpose. Great content and super informative!
Similar experience with my st190 with VA slay, weight was around 197g and I after playing around with some lead tape. I got it up to 207g and feels perfect now.
As a slow swinging old guy, I really enjoy the feel and performance of the stock shaft in a Ping G400 five wood that I found in a used club rack in Florida ( it’s amazing how quickly new clubs become somebodies reject). I believe that shaft is counterbalanced. It seems to reward my slow tempo.
Brilliantly explained, many thanks. However, is this the same principal in putters??
Outstanding info as always.....thank you gents!
Fascinating video boys always top drawer stuff
This is an other great video as you say it should be built for you & not just a fitting Alex Combon @Orka Golf always says that you want to try there products they are amazing. 👍
The point has been made several times that swing weight/head weight is extremely important. It has show up in several videos with Matt hitting different driver heads. I would love to see some input on this swing weight/head weight applied to irons. I assume the importance is the same, but there is so little information about swing weight in irons.
I own the aldila rogue silver 125 msi from a few years back and I cant play it in my F9 driver. I am playing the even flow blue atm and like it. But I am missing my rogue so trying to find weights for the head. Sad that cobra wont ship to Sweden :) Great video and good to learn about certain types of shafts
So correct me if I'm wrong (and maybe this would be a good test) if you played a counter balanced shaft like the one here, AND played it at 44.5" or even 44", you could add even more head weight and get great ball speed assuming the shorter length fit your swing. Maybe this is why tour players have leaned towards the shorter shafts, because then the head weight was up and they got a little extra pop.
So important for irons also as alot of new multi construction heads do come out very light. Manufacturers don't seem to care too much with swingweight for the consumer
Always good content fellas!
Question: I like my driver very heavy and am looking "unsuccessfully" for a shaft in the 85-95 gram range any ideas? I have the F8+ with 12&8 weights at 46" Even flow blue 75g, I put about 15 grams of lead tape down the spine of the shaft and it swings so much better. I do typically like a mid launch/spin profile. No worries if no answer. I might have to fly to the North and see in person. Fitters in my area have disappointed me over and over. Thanks fellas
Good stuff! Thank you for the info.
Love the channel! I remember you saying in a video before that adding weight to the cobra head is a good idea. Is it a good idea even if you don’t have a counter balanced shaft?
What differences would have been expected had you installe the 18g in front and the 6 in back? I have been playing with 18 up front and 2 in back.
Can you please test Hogan GS53 driver and woods. No one else really have yet.
Thanks. Great video as usual!
Thanks a lot for the super amazing video ... was considering getting rogue silver ... would it suite the maverik standard head (only in terms of weight consideration) keeping every other factor aside
Great info great channel
Hey Ian,
Matt’s ideal head weight is 204g. Does a certain combination only work with someone’s specific head weight that matches their swing?
Such a small amount of extra mass made such a big difference. Is that a common thing to test during a fitting, or is it more likely a fitter will look at a different head and/or shaft to test different swing weights for a client?
How does hzrdus yellow compare to other counterbalanced shafts. I normally play kuro kage silver tini 60 in 2016 m2, however hit m3 with hzrdus yellow and all drives were lots further. Same day testing.
Great video!!
So Ive got a 2016 M2 9,5 w std weight, w a Tour Ad Di-6 stiff in it cut down 1/2 inch and w Tour velvet align grip standard size. What swing weight would it be at ? Havent got a fitter in my area, only the nearest golfstore doing some fitting, but not in debt.
What kind of shoes is Matt rocking?
Maybe if cobra load the head or offer extra weights as standard with the club when sold it would mean it was more adjustable. I wanted to love it but it was weird when u cant tell where the head is. This was with there standard smoke 6.0 60g shaft.
I already have a counter balance shaft. Can I add weight to the head and put, let's say, 10 grams of silicone in the butt end of the shaft in order to obtain a higher recoil weight? I keep the the balance point, but add weight. This derives from me "coming from" tennis where I add silicone to the butt end of the racket and lead to the "head" in order to get a lot more stable, and heavier, stick but keeping the characterististics of the frame.
Why would I go for a counterbalanced shaft if I then have to use lead tape to get back to a reasonable swing weight?
What is the gain compared to keeping the swing weight with a lighter head?
Do u know what's crazy, I felt this 3 weeks ago and swapped my cobra for an epic flash and £80 because I couldn't feel where the head was.
I had been asking about for extra weights etc and even asked you Ian what you added and it was a 10g at the back. But I couldn't find them.
Swing the epic flash and immediately it felt heavier on the head and I was able to bomb it. For me I need to feel where the head is. My mate has the same epic flash head but the Tensei orange shaft and it feels amazing. Are the orange shafts slightly higher balance point as well.
Great video again guys.
I no it's a bit late but I email cobra and they sent the weights free of charge.
@@basilb55 thank you Ian. Yes a tag late but my mate has just bought 1 as well and doesn't load it quite the same as me and it works for him. I just felt like I never ever knew where the head was. Needed it heavier. Thanks tho and might still email them. Awesome
@@TTT-Turbo im swinging about 117 mph but I have a short swing but an agressive transition so I went with the Atmos TS black I m using the 6g at the front and 14g in the back seem to work for me. Also using the Snell black which had made a difference aswell.
Quick flashback to the bracket-What about the m5 with 3 weights? 2 X 10g on either end of the front track & 1 x 10 g in the toe on the back track or some combination of this, instead of the racing stripes?r
Question, if I can swing all out at 139mph but only start to control it at 125mph, would adding extra weight the head so I can only swing it at a max of 125mph be a good idea. Theory says it should increase distance because of extra mass at a speed I can control. Thoughts?
I hate to be the guy that says it, but why put the big weight in the back second time? Completely understand the point was total swingweight makes the difference, but the enginerd in me finds it inconsistent. That being said I know it doesn’t make much difference, but you admittedly made it more stable and at proper swing weight.
Question Ian Frazier, can I get the best of both world in a club if I install the Boccerie heavy grip at a total 91 grams which has a 17 gram tungsten plug in the butt end grip? I know Jack Nicholas and Sergio Garcia praise it and honestly I really like it too. I even add it to my woods and hybrids, and dare I say, my short wedges as well because it makes the head seem like it's whipping the club head into the slot easier using just the help of gravity and the weight of the heavy grip. It seems almost effortless to control the sequence and the higher torque of the grip also feels like there's less chance of me over-cooking the club in regards to face angle at impact and shaft lean. Honestly I wish I had a skytrack or GCQuad to measure the difference because it feels as if the grip adds speed (perhaps cuz of the feel of a lighter head) towards impact, which after grooving a new swing due to feel, it seems I'm more accurate. Is this what Jack Nicholas and Sergio are referring too or am I losing overall speed for control because I can't tell at the range and I don't have to identical clubs to use back to back for a reference. Thanks guys! Keep up the good work and the great videos. They seem to provide a tons more info compared to other TH-camrs in club reviews and swing sequence due to your extensive knowledge in club fitting and Matt's scarily robotic power and consistency. Their isn't a better golf duo on the net since Rick and Peter started their channel, and they didn't provide half the cause and effect of the numbers when they use Trackman or GC Quad bc they're not quite renowned for their club fitting experience and the way you explain things to Matt seems easy enough to follow. Also Matt's IT and web design is a cut above others too with his edits, cuts and even the original use of quality music in the montagés makes each video a treat. God where where you two a few years ago when I started playing golf? It would've been a time and money savior for me as I use your reviews to purchase the gear I have now. Hope Ian starts a franchise down here in the states where he can tour and do TED-like talks at his facilities. I'd bet thousands would show up for those interested in getting into the business or just wanting to learn the basics of what it's like to go thru a club fitting where it's relaxed and comfortable because there, I do believe, is the number one reason folks just don't bother to get fitted bc of the intimidation or the lack of actual knowledge one can come away with including the fitting optimization. Thanks and keep up the great work guys!
Have you guys tried the hazardous smoke yellow? Just got fit it into a ts4 and I really like it
D1 is not that light. What difference between counter ballance shaft and heavy grip? Seem the same to me?
Jon Gaskell when you swing 125mph it’s very light.
I'm curious how did you get from d1 to d5 only adding 8 grams of headweight?
every 2 grams of head weight = 1 swing weight point
@@stumpyslvr I just realized I had the grip weight and head weight additions mixed up
Can you get custom wieghts for the 410 plus I recently got fitted and loved the flight , distance and dispersion but hated the grip so I changed it from the midsized corded grip to the golf pride tour wrap jumbo but now the head feels lighter and the flight is definitely much higher than my fitting only 3 weeks ago and now I'm not sure what to do to get the flight down I've tried shorter tees but I'm not get anywhere near the same contact on the ball
I had a px hzrdus yellow and added extra head weight to original m2 driver. That was counter balanced and popular, no ?
Neil Mitchell correct it is counter balanced
i hate my Aldila Rogue 130 MSI white shaft, i can’t feel the driver head and it feels more like an X stiff to me than a stiff. i refuse to use it so i grabbed a cheap used mizuno St190 for 140 bucks with a stiff atmos in it and hit it fine and yeah it feels thicker and heavier by the grip to me
It sticks in the back of my mind that Jack Nicklaus counter Balanced his shafts, but perhaps it was just his putter.
Bill Cochrane He put wood dowls in the shafts as does Tiger
Hi guys what would cause spin axis tilt to the right if face to path was closed with a centred strike? (for a right handed golfer).
Lie angle is probably flat
Are all CB shafts basically low/mid launch? Apparently I like a heavier head judging by all the lead tape I use on my irons but I currently use an IZ 6S and like it pretty well and it's a mid/high launch profile.
Most are. I use a high laugh/low spin Fubuki J.
What is the white msi 130 like?
What would happen if you cut 1 inch off the butt of a cb shaft?
Guys will head weight also change shaft flex?
Good question. I’m playing Epic SZ with head weight mid to high 190 g’s and rogue silver 110 76g stiff. Wanting to know how much adding 6-8 grams will affect flex. Also considering going down to the 69 g version but would sacrifice some torque and tip stiffness in doing so.
Yes, more weigh more shaft flex.
This is really interesting...I currently use a Tensei Orange with my G400 Max 9 degree head which performs best for me using a heavier 15g weight (standard weight is 6g).
I just bought a G400 LST 10 degree head and strangely I hit it better with the standard 6g weight as opposed to the 15g weight I have been using in the G400 Max.
I haven’t checked swing weights with all the different combinations yet.
Can you see any reason why this might be the case?
Great chat at the WRX-Podcast Ian (except for the Open prediction ;-)
www.golfwrx.com/566232/the-gear-dive-txg-owner-and-master-fitter-ian-fraser/?Front&Blogroll_Home&GolfWRX_OnSite&
Benny Frank the 3rd 🤣🤣🤣
I own an F 9.....come on over to England and we can have a game ;) ( I'm rubbish though)...I'd even buy you a proper beer, none of that American rubbish :)
i miss my martix ozik
Surely the yardage is BS ... Carrying 320 ..nah
Haven't been following long, eh?
Kim Hannemann haha!!! 👏🏻