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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- Want to improve your Paper Mario game? Listen to us explain in great detail why Bobbery and Mowz are REALLY bad.
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This is a Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door partner tier list.
For this tier list I brought along Kappy to discuss and explain the strengths and weaknesses of each partner. We both play a lot of Paper Mario, so we decided to make this comprehensive guide for people who want to improve their game. Also it's just kind of an excuse for us to casually talk about a game we both love.
This is in no way meant to be "the only way to play the game". Play how you want and have fun playing a great game!
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Music Used (in order):
Go With the Flow - Paper Mario: The Origami King
M-A-X Power! - Paper Mario: The Origami King
Café Scene - Paper Mario: The Origami King
Battle! (Academy Ace Tournament) - Pokémon Scarlet & Violet
Try, Try Again - Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
Picture Perfect - A Hat In Time
Chance Card - Fortune Street
Furret Walk - Pokémon Black & White (Remix)
Fortune Island - Paper Mario: Color Splash
The Juggler (Low HP) - Paper Mario: Color Splash
00:00 Intro
3:55 Goombella
9:27 Koops
15:09 Flurrie
21:44 Yoshi
28:20 Vivian
37:57 Bobbery
42:55 Ms. Mowz - เกม
I absolutely love how Bobbery is the only party member who doesn't fall asleep when Luigi is telling his tales, a ship navigator like himself knows the importance of telling tall tales.
Goes to show how polite the ol' chap is
really??? i think its just more of him sleeping with his eyes open
And that's why Bobbery is S+ tier.
That’s actually a cool detail
And yet he's the only one with a sleeping PNG in the tier list.
Wow really sleeping on Bobbery here. Consider this: He is the only companion in the entire game that has a mustache. That means both Mario and his active ally will have mustaches. No other companion can do that
TRUE
Mustache bros
The Bobbery picture is him sleeping too
But can he give Mario an extra turn or multi hit a boss to death? 😗
@@jazzratoon Nah but he has a mustache
Something I think you overlooked about Yoshi is he also has the most useful overworld ability BY FAR on top of being the craziest attacker
The extra walk speed alone makes him S tier in a game with no speedy spin
Yosho best boi
Idk Goombella gives you the lore though
@@ownerofanheartofthesunrise that tasty LOOOOOOORE
@@ownerofanheartofthesunrise and that's why they're both in S tier
I want to play the game less so yoshi is my main
@@blearghuTHE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE
Goombella is a mario without arms. Meaning of course, Mario is just an armed goomba.
I like Bobbery because he has a cool design and he is a sailor. He is like a bob-omb version of Drake from Pokemon RSE.
Funnily enough, Pokemon RSE and Paper Mario TTYD both have a location called "Petalburg" as well
Partners were why I fell in love with the first and second paper Mario. Imagine how sad I was when they got rid of it in future games :(
I loved the partners in Super too, there haven't been more paper mario games since super unfortunately
Super had some fun partners, even if some ended up less useful than others *Cough* Piccolo *cough*
all the partners in super looked basically the same, having partners already being existing creatures in the mario universe is the best imo
@@doctoreves9497 How do a hand, a bomb, a sun and a weight look the same? Those are a few of the earliest partners you get in Super. Like, I get and LOVE the partners from the first two games too, but the Pixls are quite far from "All looking basically the same"
@@baxterbruce9827 They are all some floating object with eyes. A couple have mouths.
Honestly if Mario getting KO'd didn't end the battle and you could just continue using his partner then Flurrie would be BUSTED
That would just ruin the game lmao
She is already busted 🫣🫣🫣
It's always a nice warm and fuzzy feeling when your favorite characters in a game are pretty good characters AND pretty good mechanically. Goombella to this day is still the best starter partner in the series.
I do feel bad for Mowz too, as a character she's great! But mechanically she's so bad and it hurts...
Mowz can be really useful in combat
@@mrscruffles801in what situation?
@@Commander-peepers She can steal badges and items for you, confuse the enemies, do massive damage wit her slap, and give a health boost with her special blow job move.
@@mrscruffles801 give a health boost with her *special* move? 🤨
@@MyDadJustLeftMeXD Yeah
What's crazy about ms Mowz is that she's so close to being good.
Say you could get her after her final encounter in chapter 3. Say further that love slap increased damage per slap (hitting 3 times for 1 damage, then 3 for 2, then 3 for 3.) then it could be boosted by a badge in a useful way. The defense piercing would actually matter.
Also for an acrobat it's weird that she lacks any jumping attacks. And Kiss Thief should work on flying enemies.
Everything was there but the execution.
Don't you think 9 base damage with defense piercing is a bit overpowered?
I think Mowz is meant to be support, because her specials involve disabling the enemy and healing Mario, even her base attack while weak, it also goes along with the disabling gimmick by ignoring their defense
If anything she should get better support options, because even in that regard she's still pretty weak tbh, and specially have Kiss Thief work on everyone regardless of anything, because you usually bring her in whenever there's something to steal, though I can take an useful attacking move over Tease any day tbh, and Love Slap could use a damage buff, because it's already very limited like the normal Hammer, might as well make that a lil more worth using for more than a lil chip damage against very defensive enemies or finish them off while they're at 3HP or less
I love Vivian in casual playthroughs. Don't really stack badges or go for the peril strats, and I use her mostly in chapter 8 because it fits I guess lol. Might be the chuggaaconroy stan in me
@Natalie that’s so true too. I forgot she’s also a trans icon
@@natalie7662 i agree so much
@@natalie7662because it's simply not something that's on most people's radar. It doesn't make them any worse for it, and they shouldn't feel bad for not knowing.
@@natalie7662 You said "Sadly" As if it should be expected that it is, when that's just not realistic.
@@natalie7662 Except she isn't trans. Never was.
I really wish someone could attack all enemies on earth, you know?
Best I can give is Putin
Ooh I know this one.
So did everyone in petalburg...
carbon from book of mario 🤯🗿
Yeah, where is Carbon? The list is incomplete!!
0/10 the noise wasnt very nuclear
It’s funny how the partners go lower in battle usage the later you obtain them with the goated exception that is Yoshi.
Homestuck. Hello.
Off-topic but is there a resurgence in Homestuck lately? I keep bumping into references to it wherever I look.
@@lpsp442one does not simply fight the homestuck
@@lpsp442 I guess?
@@infinityheart_tm9270 If so, neat - it's been about a decade since Peak Act 6 and I've missed that. 😁
Vivian was my favorite to use in the game. Firery Jinx is great casually, and on a first playthrough of the game veil was good to avoid death if you wasn't great at super-guarding. I say plaing causally Flurrie was the worst for me Mow'z a close second.
Flurrie is ok as a tank with lip lock.
I use Ms.Mowz a lot just because I love her lol, but I hate that in battle she definitely seems like an after thought but I used her field skill a lot to easily find everything so I didn't have to search in every corner lol. Just beat the whole game again recently and still loved it as much as I did back then.
It’s satisfying to steal the items/badges without having to pray the enemies just drop them
@@MixxedBerries yes it really is! loved stealing life shrooms because they are expensive and stealing badges was even more satisfying because you can keep them forever. I loved Ms.Mowz design and personality a lot and I remember being so shocked that you could unlock her.
Vivian is mid af but her character is just so interesting and likeable that I've always used her by default.
nice pfp
Without clicking on your profile, I already know you are a speedrunner@@RichConnerGMN
Based, honestly. More people should just use the character they like the most, fuck game balance, just over level and kill them all. Easy. (Warning, I have no clue how levels actually work in thousand year door, may not actually be easy or possible lol)
According to this list, Yoshi being the only exception, the partners just get worse with each new recruit down the line.
The other exception being if you get Mowz before Bobbery.
As someone who has done Single Partner on TTYD (+Pit) using Goombella, I absolutely agree.
She comes with "Power Bounce" as her first upgrade, and Rally Wink is simply giving Mario an extra turn, making him able to deal with enemies that Goombella couldn't compete against (such as spiked enemies for example). She's a true gem.
You guys should do a tier list of ALL the partners from the Paper Mario games based off of character/ personality.
Oh god, I think I'm not ready for more Olivia Slander.
Bobbery is probably my favorite cause I have a thing for pirate / sailor types and I love his design
love slim (do we count the pixls)
@@ado- Yes, all of them
@@fermitthekrogOG frick yeah you love to see it (how did i forget the one all caps word)
I never realize the hardest enemy in TTYD is Cortez’s Bone Pile
My original run of the pit is what taught me just how good Flurrie is at just tanking everything. Lip Lock is crazy in the right spots.
And she can instankill everyone or at least make the battle easier by getting rid of some enemies
I think you two didn't account for non strategy runs with Bobbery and Vivian, and how good they are for those. They're brain dead damage dealers, and that's their strength. They are beginner tools for those who are looking for easy power, which makes them great for when you unlock them.
Ya, a lot of what they are saying is assuming you have the badges and that strategy.
As a kid I went full defense with badges so those two had great wiping power for basic enemies.
Ya Vivian was awesome. As someone who wasn't using stacked badge set up jinx is great.
Non strat runs actually moves around the tier list by a lot.
Goombella goes from S to C if you don't bother to do strats... which is usually how we play the game the first time we play.
That was the thing I was confused about, they used the tiers assuming everyone knew all the best ways to strategize, when if a new player started playing, the tier list would likely be flipped for the most part.
@@elcato8126agree first time playing and I honestly lost interest in her once I got koops mostly cause I hate having to do a lot of jump attacks. I can now see why she is so useful though. Still ain’t gonna do it cause I kinda don’t like having to rely on peril too much
Now that we're getting a remake, I really hope the weaker partners get buffed with better powerscaling, FP costs and number adjustments, bug fixes, and maybe a new move or two (Ms Mowz needs an overhaul though). Yoshi might end up being slightly worse in the remake if they make Stampede function the way it's supposed to by only hitting ground enemies.
I doubt they will change them
Flurrie's tankiness was one of the best saving graces I had in a gimmick run I did where I ran the shufflizer, and was not allowed to use heart blocks, shops, or inns at all, having to rely on field items, level ups, and sweet treat to survive. Lip lock keeps her healthy without having to rely on any items, which, going into the shadow queen, I had literally a single 20 HP healing item and the rest were FP. Really helped to see how good her survivability is compared to every other partner.
Also I disagree for gba thieves in FE6 only. They're the only units in the game with a semi-consistent hit rate and can probably take out quite a few axe users if they're swarming you.
@@onwithmarie6769 have you...played fe6? This is just objectively incorrect.
Any unit with swords can probably deal with axe units.
@@saltyralts I played it and got the true ending by pure accident on my first try, and my thieves were invaluable for being able to actually hit things unlike everyone else. They're useful.
@@onwithmarie6769 Oh. So you played on Normal mode? That would explain why your thieves were actually able to contribute to combat.
@@saltyralts FE6 hard mode ain't like the hard modes of FE4/7/8/9. It makes a bunch of units that are viable in Normal Mode practically unusable in Hard Mode without babying. For example, Lilina is very good in Normal Mode, but she'll never double anything important in Hard Mode. Armor Knights and unpromoted archers are just not very good. Neither are the Fighters or primary axe-users aside from Gonzales.
My favorite recurring enemy in TTYD is Cortez's Bone Pile.
Vivian's Shade Fist and Mowz's Love Slap hit the same enemies, lol. Don't know why this keeps coming up.
For me, Burn status is Vivian's "x factor" that cleanly ranks her above Bobbery (and is enough to justify a tier jump as well, at least personally); having it on a base move is really useful for certain strategies, and it being a side effect of Fiery Jinx isn't bad either.
Vivian can hit ceiling enemies.
@@cratorcic9362 So, X-Naut platoon #2?
@@jdaster64 Yeah, honestly, that’s the biggest difference of the two. Thing is… Flurry also hits ceiling enemies, so she’s STILL outclassed by someone else.
As for Mowz, the only use I have for her is stealing badges. Which is nice.
Somehow I ended up with four Happy Flowers in one run… let’s say I never had to worry about FP again
It’s funny that the partners get worse as you unlock them
I'm more of a casual paper mario fan, but yoshi is my favorite partner mainly because I feel he has the funniest dialogue exchange in the entire game. Didn't know he is considered a top tier partner in terms of challenges so that's nice.
I will just say that Mowz is pretty dang good in the Extreme Randomizer, since all enemies are holding items... so that's good :)
vivian being below flurrie is proof that infinite pit speedruns have rotted kappy's brain
This could be facts...could be LOL
I feel like kiss thief would be good if the enemy items from stickerstar/Color splash were in this game. Like if kiss thief steals bones from dry bones or picks up shelled enemies to throw. And thered be a 2nd part to the action command to either store it in your pouch or use it immediately to be a damadge dealing move.
I like that idea, being able to steal an item and use it in the same turn could be really interesting.
Bomb squad was my favorite ability playing this game casually. The fact you have to aim them carefully, they chain react together to do damage faster than by default, it's such a cool ability. If it scaled with damage it'd be great as an ability, but as is, it's at least pretty cool casually.
19:42 this is the first time ever that I see Flurrie's ultra rank move. Never bothered ranking her up because I thought she wasn't that useful in battle.
Bobbery being so low hurts my soul, hes my main partner, I cant help it i love the old sea dog
This video's pretty darn great. Well-edited and informative.
The Mrs. Mowz hatred is real, haha. I will say, when I did Pit of 100 trials 50+ times on a file, kiss thief got pretty wild. Ended up maxing my badge count (200). I had 5 defense plus on danger mario... zero damage from anything that wasn't an amazee dayzee. Plus I got a ton of flower savers while Amazee farming.
She's a B-tier to me if you are going for post-100% badge farming. Can make some wacky builds late game.
I agree a LOT with this.
Flurrie is weird because I prefer killing enemies than “removing them” BUT it still gives you exp, so that’s nice. Ranked up Flurrie does 4 damage compared to Koops 3, but most people would complete chapter 2 BEFORE upgrading Flurrie. She’s an excellent tank with an immunity to “earth shaker” moves and lip lock. She’s the first partner that can hit ceiling foes. She also has a cool niche in Cortez phase 3 because she can permanently remove the weapons.
Mowz…. I wish she was better. If ANYTHING I wish her trouble was available immediately after chapter 3. Because she kinda has a use there with piercing damage on hyper clefts and buzzy beetles…. But granted you could just use Mario and goombella.
I realize that he's not very good, but I used to use Bobbery all the time, practically spamming Bomb Squad.
Never used attack-increasing effects or badges because I wasn't the brightest, so Bomb Squad was relatively good, even.
Like you said; he's very fun to use.
I feel as though Ms. Mowz, despite being seemingly an afterthought, was meant to come across specifically as a tech choice. Goombella is similar, but she has multi-hit instead of piercing, and both otherwise function as primarily support (Tattling enemies and giving extra turns for Goombella, and literally all of her mish-mashed effects for Mowz). Which, of course, makes Goombella infinitely better. Outside of battle, Goombella exists for information and lore, whereas Mowz can locate treasure. If they stacked the supporting effects better, I feel Ms. Mowz could've been greatly improved, but as-is, she's a fun side character whose only usage is Kiss Thief and hunting panels
Shell Shield works great with Peril Mario because you can finish off every boss before they can touch Mario except for the final one.
It's funny how my playstyle is so far away from the optimal one. I mainly use Vivian and almost never use Yoshi or Goombella. I tend to be really conservative in my FP usage and hate peril and buff strats, and I'm really bad at the action command for multibonk. I also just really like Vivian for...other reasons.
And by other reasons I mean that her personality and character arcs are awesome. What did you think I meant?
The way that she basically is in love with Mario but knows he only has eyes for Peach... It's so sad...
@@blearghu Yeah, when I finally beat the game for the first time recently and saw that in the final scene she nearly confessed her love for him, but decided against it at the last second, it broke my heart. Especially since he was the first person to show her kindness ever. Like, no wonder she fell for him.
It was clear that all of the female partners had a crush on Mario, but Vivian's unrequited crush hit me the most because if any of the partners deserved a bit more happiness in their lives, it was her.
I love the absolute hatred for Mowz at the end lmao. Even though some of the partners suck in combat, I still love all of them.
TBF if Koops and Yoshi didn’t have armor piercing moves, she’d have a niche. She can still do that for free, which is nice.
I actually had a playthrough once where I was able to Kiss Thief two P-up D-down Ps in the X-naut Fortress. It's basically the best hold you could ever get with Mowz. I used them to make all my partners OP for the end of the game, and in a Pit run after beating the game to make Flurrie basically invincible.
I spent a large amount of time trying to get at least 20 each of the P-Up D-Down badges in one file.
It took 2 months
would love to see more rankings for partners in paper mario 64 and maybe even super paper mario
sticker star partner ranking
wingler segment 4 my velobed
@@AndresGonzalez-zu4um
Easily the best partners in the series
Best partner in Super Paper Mario is Bowser because of the 2x damage
@@angelzavala2254 bowser with Carrie so you can be fast and do fire in the air
My dream is that you guys do tier lists for PM64 and one for the Pixls in Super. Maybe even a tier list for both PM64 and TTYD combined to see who is the best and worst partners across both games
The one in 64 that makes you straight up invincible is extremely broken
The funny thing is, everything you said about Goombella is why I find myself using Goombario constantly now. I, like so many others, used to always shelf him the minute I got Koops back in the day, but he's seriously one of the best partners and I never realized it until I got a chance to finally replay this game on the Switch.
Unfortunately, multibonk is broken. It always caps at 2 hits after the first time you use it in a battle.
The multibonk bug prevents him from being a top tier partner, but he's still not bad by any means.
I was gonna say "If someone made a mod where your in-battle party was 2 partner slots (with Mario only participating as a cameo to use the Crystal Stars), what would you say is the most BROKEN Partner Duo?". But, after seeing the tierlist, I can easily see who those two would be.... SO, let's inverse that, what would be the WORST Partner Duo? Who would be the two that are just so dysfunctional from every aspect?
Pretty confident saying this probably koops and ms mows since they can’t hit air born targets without items
Best: Koops & Yoshi
Worst: Mowz & Bobbery
The first time I played TTYD I tried a run without items or attack up badges, so Yoshi wasn't very useful. Anything with defense would render him useless unless they could be Gulp'd or I used Power Lift. I prefered to use Koops and Vivian since they could bypass defense, and if enemies didn't have defense, it was better to use Bobbery for the big damage (I had a lot of FP).
Ms Mowz was the only other way I had to heal Mario aside from using special moves, so that was a welcome niche!
Koops is the only companion who can accompany Mario into a restaurant without being kicked out for (partial) nudity. Considering what huge jerks the chefs tend to be in the Mario RPGs, that ain't nothing.
WAIT does this actually happen in the game? Where :O
@@sawk1875 It doesn't. Just an observation on how Koops is the only fully-dressed companion you get in PM64/TTYD. Unless you want to count Goombella, but if shoes don't count as wearing a bottom for Starlow, it doesn't count for her, either.
To be fair, you CAN get Mowz as early as Chapter 2 if you know what you're doing, and she permanently stays in your party even during Chapter 4 when everyone else leaves you Mowz is still in the party. Needless to say it is a chore and she is a novelty character that acts more as a support and status inflictor rather than outright damage, but I'd prefer her over Bobbery because of the absolute slogfest of dialogue and back-and-forth Chapter 5 scrambling you need to do just to get him.
“Here’s why Kiss Thief is bad”
*spends five minutes explaining why Kiss Thief is good*
Goombella is like goombario from the first game, she is amazing and the best partner ever.
Can't wait to see the Pixl tier list based off the recent playthrough!
It's happening right
Calling it now, Carrie is at the top of S tier.
@@murphmariotwopointoh7714 Carrie carries for sure
Pixl tier list based on how great their character is.
Also, and tippi doesn't count for obvious reasons, how many pixls actually have a sentence count numbering more than 5?
Considering Fatguy's brand of commentary, I would've expected this tierlist to happen as early as pre-book of mario.
Now I wanna see you guys rank all the badges this was really entertaining
I really wanna make a point system to categorize how effective every partner is at defeating certain enemies, broken down by popular badge loadouts as well as their base strength and their upgraded strengths
I always wondered why Mowz didn't have multi-hit properties on Slap. The animation clearly shows multiple hits. Kinda weird that Bow's slap matches her animation and hits multiple times but Mowz a game later just adds them all up.
If she had 1+1+2 piercing damage would she be decent, since she'd then be able to tap into ridiculous damage boost strats? Clearly still worse than Goombella and Yoshi due to worse utility and other limitations on her attacks, but she might at least be ok.
I always liked Vivian the best. She was always just the best most basic and versatile character. A basic attack that hits any enemy that inflicts a status ailment, a basic defensive move, and a basic piercing attack that hits all enemies. She's like the Toyota Corolla of partners: she does everything reliably and satisfyingly well, with no major upsides or downsides.
Goombella, Bobbery and Vivian are very enjoyable characters :)
Gotta disagree with your shade towards Vivian. I tried playing the game a few weeks ago for the first time in about 15 years and she was single handedly the reason that I was able to get past the shadow queen. Granted, I didn't know that I could get as many power boost badges as I apparently can and I am nowhere near good enough to consistently land something like multibounce, and I only had the initial upgrade for each of them, but I had tried using all of the others in that fight and they got me nowhere but when I went all in with just her, she actually made it fairly easy, she was also the key to getting past the siren fight for me. Obviously you disagree but I definitely feel like she should at least be in A tier with how useful she can be.
Cool video. I really liked your breakdown and reasoning of the partner moves.
In the defense of kiss thief you can
steal badges even if the enemy is not holding them right now you just need to grind a bit. For e.g I farmed P up D downs on koopatrols in the pit. Paralyzed them and used kiss thief over and over again.
As long as you CAN steal the badge from an enemy(depending on the loot table of casuse), you ll get it eventually.
it doesn't dismiss any of the points you bought up, but if you playing really casuaslly and hove time on your hands it works
Edit: you mentioned the above point later so yeah... forget I said anything
Jrpgs are weird with their thieves. They are either trash like Mowz or absolutely broken like Rikku in FFX
As a kid, I always thought it was weird how the audience hates Love Slap so I came up with a headcanon that she's slapping the enemies with her lips and the audience thinks it's gross.
That intro was fire
This was super insightful!! I would love to have a similar list for 64!!
Same, but I think for pm64, the rankings are pretty clear. My list is like Watt, Bow, Sushie, Parakarry, Kooper, Bombette, Goombario, Lakilester. In that order
@@Electro4890Damn you actually got the new list right
This tier list if for parthner over all utility, but talking by experience, a tierlist for parthner easyness to use bassically flips the tierlist.
As a little kid, Vivian and Bobbery bassicaly carried most middle and post game because of the base damage they did. (Except mouzs, even in my first playtrough with her I used her until her poor damage was enough por me)
Take note that little me didn´t knew how good badges work, and 6bp for power plus p was a scam in my eyes, so going for with the game, having adisional damage with vivian´s fist fire hazard and Bobbery´s 5 base damage were my main as a kid.
I also didnt knew the existence of tasks, so I didn´t upgrade any of my parthners in my first playtrough, and even then I couldn´t upgrade them all bcs little me didnt bothered with getting the super shines.
Anyway, Vivian and Bobbery were my top, Koops, Goombella and Yoshi used them rarely only because I wanted to tattle with gombella or I did a puzzle and shortly after I went in battle, but Flurry was the most no go for little me.
i loved the edits between partners
I think Bobbery is one of my favorite partners to carry on the overworld just cuz of his dialogue options. Idk, could just be me.
vivian used to be my favourite partner as a kid, i guess i forgot yoshi just has a better move that hits all enemies
Who's here after the announcement?!
Oh... Vivian is one of my favorite
It is ironic that Mowz can sniff treasure when she's trash. Mowz is also a tease because in cutscenes she can leap over buildings, but can't hit any enemy? I just love Kappy's distain on how awful Mowz is. lol But yeah it's a shame how damn useless Mowz is. She's just a worst version of every option in the game. Which is a shame because character wise I think she's cool. It never made sense to me how many players did (and still do) find Flurrie to be worse than Mowz base on surface level logic like "Love slap is 0 FP defense piercing" or "Kiss Thief is more useful cause it steals" when the former is just a worst version of Lip Lock (or if you want to be more technical Love Slap is a worse hammer) and Kappy already explained why the Kiss Thief argument doesn't work. Especially since because it is front locked you'd need support from Mario just to steal badges to not front enemies. Yes, people still do see Flurrie as worse than Mowz for the ones who see her as "worst partner" it's wild! It's not a common as it use to be however.
For me, I think Flurrie is where the good partners end. Because while she is outclassed by the top 3 partners and optimally it's just going to be those three with Flurrie as a cameo. The last three partners are outclassed by Flurrie herself. With Gale Force, while I dislike RNG, I find GF to be the one exception, because with GF it makes Flurrie a tempo setting machine that can affect the battle when the upside is up, and I think when it DOES work its enough to make up for when it doesn't. Since it also has niches like getting rid of Cortez weapons and Fog and doesn't fall under fog's miss chance, which can be an added benefit if it happens on an unfavorable loadout or situation, but it is still RNG at the end of the day. For me, I find it being tied to level as more of a weakness than the RNG itself. Honestly I would argue Fiery Jinx has worse reliability than Gale Force given the circumstance. Especially when you factor in enemy loadout, and tbh their range in which they affect things are surpringly similar, only Gale Force would be a superior option in those situations imo This is most notable with Chapter 8. And even when GF is walled by like Chomps or Clefts, Flurrie can just Lip Lock them, whereas Vivian is completely walled! (Yes in a technical sense just use the top 3, but comparing Vivian and Flurrie, they have almost thee same enemy range with their move effectiveness, only in those situations you're going to use Flurrie) Fiery Jinx is more accurate when you consider it will always damage, however it's just as inconsistent when you factor how effective it will be.
Say in an enemy loadout of Phantom Embers, Dry Bones and a Swoopula. Fiery Jinx is about as accurate as GF here, since having the two fire enemies basically invalidates the range on Fiery Jinx since it would mean Vivian would have to heal/multiply them to get rid of other enemies, whereas, yeah Gale Force can miss but it WILL blow them away since all of those enemies are weak to GF (an added bonus if fog somehow enters the picture). This same logic applies in the pit too, so really I don't think GF missing matters that much when comparing to Fiery Jinx. (Again speaking in the realm of comparison just between Flurrie and Vivian, not as a whole) and while you won't be using it against them as a whole, just the fact that Flurrie can Lip Lock Chomps and Clefts if she can't GF them, means she has a way to deal with enemies who attempt to block her AoE. Whereas if Vivian is walled for any reason she is walled and has no options. So even on average Flurrie's enemy MU is just better than Vivian who is literally just Fiery Jinx or bust! And again, people find Vivian overpowered, when every chapter after her recruitment in Chapter 4 has enemies that walls her out. Chapter 5 and 8 being the worst offenders. Even Bobbery is argubly better there. I agree with Kappy that the gap between Vivian and Bobbery is marginal, and Vivian is slightly better.
Honestly I find Tease to be the worst move in the game over Veil. Don't get me wrong, Veil is trash, but it has a niche despite it only amounting to like two specific niches. What are you using Tease for? Not only is it worse than Dodgy Fog, it is a worse Infatuate. So it is a worse version of two different moves. Veil, Hold Fast and Tease are bottom three moves in the game.
This list is very interesting... but I feel it does rely heavily on the idea that the player is going to be utilizing a lot of partner buff badges in a certain way. While many players will probably use a few when possible, I think it's kind of silly to expect every player will slam on 2 Power Plus P's among others, because of the badge cost; especially early on. When you factor in super builds, I can certainly see why you position characters the way you do, as Yoshi having 3 great Multi-hits, 1 of which weakens attack and a defense pierce as well for situational combat... that does help like crazy... but if he isn't strapped with power increasing badges, any enemy with defense will suffer no damage; same weakness as Lady Bow had in the original.
When you factor in default strength, Goombella, Kooper, Flurrie, Bobbery and Vivian rise much higher, as they can still do what they were designed to without needing to rely on a ton of supplements to apply their abilities. Yoshi only reaches the upper level when he's got all that support, otherwise; he's good against standard enemies, but struggles against anything with a bit of defensive power; except the Iron Clefts, who he was built to kill so.
This is a tier list based on high level play for people who want to learn about it. Of course we're gonna base ratings on optimal strats, there would be no point otherwise.
@@Fatguy703 I mean, I suppose that's fair. It's interesting either way.
As someone who hasn't played the game yet, I can also say Goombella is the best partner in the game with how helpful she is compared to other partners. She is also just best Goomba ever, and that is fact. I actually wish she was canon in the main Mario games as kind of a nice friend or sidekick to Mario alongside Luigi
Rally wink is too powerful of a move for Goombella not to be top tier. Mario's turn is so much more versatile even with all the options TTYD added to partners turns, that adding a second turn for him in a cycle opens up so many options with Star power, double dip and badges. Knew she'd be at the top of the list.
The biggest thing that sucks about Mowz is just HOW MUCH her Love Slap is nerfed compared to Electro Dash from PM64. They’re similar moves in concept, but Mowz has so many restrictions on what she can even TRY to hit that the move goes from unstoppable to unusable.
In my first playthroughs I really liked Vivian (mostly for fiery jinx though)
And I liked the fire damage each turn, I thought this was the reason why it's only 5 attack power in Ultra.
But playing the game more I quickly noticed that partners like Yoshi, Goombella, and Koops were much more useful.
I noticed and used Flurries Tank-Capabilities right from the start though.
She saved my ass the first time I fought Bonetail
Mowz best use is so you can do flavio glitch and have the true SSS+ tier partner
i think goombella can do that too
Wheres the Sticker Star toad tier list Fatguy.
I like the one with glasses
I actually played TTYD for the first time this week and this was very useful. I didn’t go FULL Danger Mario with only 5FP, but I never upgraded health ever. Goombella was my go to until Yoshi who was my go to until Rallywink. Koops was nice as a cheap sweeping option against standard enemies, Flurrie was nice for flying enemies (especially spiked parabuzzies bc I didn’t have spike shield yet), Vivian was good against Wizards in the endgame, Bobbery was hilarious in the Glitzpit rematches bc he would just Bomb-omb blast the fights and win, and Mowz I used like once in the Pit of 100 Trials to steal a Power Punch, LMAO.
It's funny that you mention the thief class in Fire Emblem in comparison to Ms Mowz considering that they're made by the same company (Intelligent Systems). Plus thieves in Fire Emblem are good because the lockpick allows you to bypass getting keys for doors and chests, on top of the fact that after FE6 you can promote them to Assassins.
Also I'm surprised you didn't mention the quest to obtain her either, which requires you to go through Hooktail's castle again (which if you do the hide and seek request will likely be your 3rd time in the castle), go all the way to the top, then walk all the way back out again.
Funny thing is I thought Vivian and bobbery were the best partners when I first played through the game because I didn’t realize how OP multibonk was with increased damage, and I didn’t realize how important it was to scale with increased damage, but I completely agree with this tier list.
I came in Vivian pilled. I left broken.
It's funny how after all these years so many people claimed Goombella to be the worse partner, but what it really boils down to just skill issues.
It’s so funny how one change to the way the move works, changed the invincibility move from the best move in the game to the worst move in the game.
I have no idea how you’d balance Outta Sight/Veil to be useful but not busted.
i like how goombella is the best mainly because of the fact that she allows you to not use goombella.
It's amazing how this video is uploaded 6 months ago, now a remake is in the works, I hope to try out these strategys would be nice if they included a harder difficulty, or more HP for the boss so take can tank these hits lol
I wonder how much this will change in the remake.
For example, one thing I'm almost certain will be fixed is Stampede hitting non-grounded enemies, which would be a huge hit to Yoshi.
But do you guys think they'll nerf Peril strats, or limit multi-bonk and similar abilities?
Koops and Bobbery are my favourite partners, i'm doing a Hammer-man, Defense Mario build with high offensive partners.
the amount of fun i have with these two partners alone for some builds have been great.
Wonder how the tier list looks if we include visual design, personality, and story inclusion into things
Vivian might go up a slot, and Yoshi down one at least.
Bobbery and Vivian would probably be S tier
Imagine watching this after the remake has been announced😂
I don't know who I usually used for my playthrough that's really casual but I think it was Yoshi and Mowz mainly lol. I hope the remake rebalances things a little bit so there aren't wild imbalances like Vivian and Mowz being so much worse than the top tiers. I know they're probably not going to change very much but I do hope they balance things a little bit better than the first time around
Um, Vivian is phenomenal
Blue yoshi named banana bo is a sick callback
I'm glad someone noticed
Bobbery is the Coolest Partner
and that is enough.
Vivian and Bobbery deserve better than Veil, Infatuation, Bomb Squad and Hold Fast :(((
It’s kinda sad the optional party member is the worst.
Too bad because Vivian is such a fun party member to have and use.
Carbon is #1, and Goombell is 2nd.
When the remake of this game comes out I'm going to do a partner only challenge
Vivien goes in S because she's a cutie
I was today years old when i learned that kiss theif can steal an item from any enemy regardless of them holding an item