To be honest Ragnarok needed to happen in order for Infinity war and endgame to help with Thor's development. I have come to enjoy the first movie but the second movie is just background noise no matter how many times I try to engage with it. Yeah at the time Ragnarok was released, some people were skeptical about seeing it because of the prior two movies. It was nice at the time but over the years more and more people have called it out as not that great along with causing character issues. Love and Thunder was just a mess. My mom finally watched it and she didn't like it. She actually likes Thor but if she doesn't like, when she binges all the transformers movies despite how bad they are, then you know something is wrong.
@mandalorianhunter1 I honestly can't remember the 2nd Thor film much. Can you elaborate on "Ragnarok" being pivotal to Thor's development? I feel like if they really wanted to go the comedic route, they could've had Enchantress as the villain for L&R and trying to come between Thor and Jane, being a rom-com/superhero parody film, highlighting how seperate fantasy feels in the MCU as Avengers-centric and sci-fi dominant; as gods, a lot of the shenganegans in the film could've been seen as menial while everyone on Earth is just terrified. Plus Jane's cancer story could be introduced here. Thor 5 (if it was warranted) could do a 180 and be a darker, psychological-type film with Gorr kidnapping Thor akin to the "God of Thunder" comic with Jane becoming Lady Thor and dying to save him.
@@mandalorianhunter1 ragnarok is still good. The problem is simply that taika just didn’t care about the 4th one for whatever reason. Hopefully the next director actually gives a damn
Hemsworth is actually upset about how much thor has been dumbed down and how comedic he has gotten. So it's more taika's fault. To the point where Hemsworth is refusing to do another thor movie with taika directing it
I finally watched love and thunder, I kinda liked parts of it but some of it seemed kinda weird considering the stakes of the movie. Overall I liked how it developed Thor but I think how they treated the kidnapping of the kids like it wasn't that big of a deal seemed kinda weird. Like all the kids get kidnapped and they are like. No big deal, just another day. Lots of people died and it's treated like an after thought. The opening was cool and funny. And I liked the ending and how Thor and Jane turned out. I feel like they should of made Valkerie and Jane more serious, about the kidnapping. Like they should be telling Thor off for acting like a child, his character in the movie makes sense in my opinion. He lost everything after end game and ragnorok and wonders aimlessly to ignore his grief. That part makes sense to me, but when he returns home and acts that way I feel Jane should point out that it's not right. There needs to be a scene where they confront Thor about how serious things actually are. But all the main characters are too self centered themselves to point out that Thor is acting like a child.
Please watch Hulk's deleted scenes from Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame. In Infinity War, it shows him turning professor Hulk for the first time in his fight with Cull Obsidian, where Banner and Hulk agree to come together. Then Natasha tries to do the "Sun's getting real low" thing on him, and it doesn't work because he's already calm and speaking plainly. Then in Endgame, his intro is jumping into a burning building to save civilians. I think audiences would have liked professor Hulk way more if they kept those scenes, but the Russos don't like Hulk, so they cut them for more Iron Man scenes :T.
I elected not to mention the deleted scenes but I wish I did, because some are actually amazing. Not just for hulk but captain americas in avengers age of ultrin sticks out
@@Venxous You're gonna talk about Cap's deleted scenes and not him walking through New York and trying to ask a girl out in the modern day? Hell, all the scenes that waitress (Ashley Johnson's character) that were supposed to be in the climax of the movie were cut, too. Tragic.
There’s concept art for the finale of Endgame which depicts Drax pinning down a Chitauri Gorilla while Hulk is about to body slam it. The artists had more respect for the guy than the filmmakers. I actually forgot Hulk was there. All he does in a big battle with every MCU hero is destroy a Chitauri chariot and swat away an Outrider. That’s insulting.
@@Venxous You gotta watch the live-action TV series 'The Incredible Hulk'[1977]! There are the unfortunate issues of it not having anything from the comics outside of Dr Banner and the Hulk, Dr Banner being referred to as "David Banner" instead of "Bruce Banner", the Hulk not being impervious to bullets, the Hulk not having his traditional physique due to the limits of the human body, and the Hulk never speaking at any point, but outside of those issues, that series is really good and is filled with really good stories. That series's version of Dr Banner is the best version of the character that there has ever been and Bill Bixby's acting in the role is exceptional, as is Lou Ferrigno's acting in the role of Hulk. Lou was great at showing Hulk's emotions and curiosity with just his facial expressions. It's rather sad how Bill died at only 59 years old due to cancer and how during the timespan that this series was being made, he not only went through a nasty divorce, but also lost his son, Christopher, who was only six years old, and the year following Christopher's passing, Bill's former wife, actor Brenda Benet, committed suicide due to going through deep depression as a result of losing Christopher. Every year from 2014 to 2019, I went to Dragon Con and I got to meet Lou Ferrigno 2 of those years. In 2014, which is the year I graduated from high school, I got a picture with him, and in 2018, I got an autograph from him.
If you look at some of the very few clips of Edward Norton behind the scenes, making adjustments, basically everything great about the film came from him. The studio just wanted a brainless action flick. Norton is a huge Hulk nerd, and wanted to explore the two personalities further, and explore his abuse and trauma, and why Hulk exists, and how that trauma affects him and the people in his life. But the studio thought that was too close to Ang Lee’s Hulk, so they kept pushing back against Norton, which caused massive slowdowns in production. So Norton fought for what little he could get, to at least make the movie decent enough. He also wrote basically every scene that was of the Hulk himself, and fought for Lou Ferrigno to do his voice. Norton MADE that film.
I really hope that after Secret Wars and The MCU goes into that "Soft-reboot" stage, Hulk are one of those characters that are affected by it. His story-telling potential had been tossed to shit in the current MCU, don't even get me started on how downplayed Planet Hulk was in Ragnarok, it sucks so freaking much.
I don't know how Joss Whedon came up with the idea of having Black Widow and Hulk be lovers when nothing about those two characters coincide. Black Widow is all about stealth and guile and the Hulk is a 7'0 green rage monster that screams, "Hulk smash!" And just because Black Widow can't conceive doesn't mean that she's the perfect love interest for Banner as she would still be killed if they tried to play "hide the zucchini." It was just a bad subplot that Sam Wilson summarized perfectly in Infinity War, "this is awkward."
Well, Black Widow was the one tasked with retrieving Banner in Avengers. For her at that point she considered considered herself a monster for killing a child in order to get her freedom from the Red Room. For Widow she sees banner as an innocent man despite knowing what he's capable of if he transforms. When he finally does Transform she sees the nature of the monster that Banner is holding inside and understands that amongst the team that there is no one else (maybe cap with Tony's parents) that's truly holding a demon back the way she is. when you watch just Age of Ultron with a 4 year gap between the movie and focus on the full team's plot and not the individual character arcs, it goes over your head. but that's part of the fun with these movie, everything makes more sense in hindsight.
That relationship/romance was so out of nowhere, if anything Cap and Black Widow should’ve been a couple they had way more chemistry and more things in common especially if you watch Captain America: The Winter Soldier. That was the perfect movie to make Steve and Natasha lovers, specifically when she asked him if that kiss was his first and I still hate that they killed her off in Endgame, how can you kill off your most beloved female character?
@@demonkidd8098 how when he was being set up with Sharon Carter and was heartbroken over Peggy? I love that everyone says that but other than them looking good together and working for SHIELD what chemistry did they have?
When endgame came through I was OK with professor Hulk because I thought there was going to be a point where something terrible happens which forces Hulk to come out like 1. him and rocket being pinned under rumble and almost drowning 2.Natasha dying on the battlefield and Hulk being devastated to the point Hulk takes over and goes world War Hulk 3. He has his rematch against Thanos but something triggers Hulk into coming out where and absolutely demolish him, but no we didn't get that and I felt like we've been robbed
I really dislike Ruffalo’s Hulk. I view him as the downfall of MCU hulk, once they replaced Norton with him it showed where marvel studios and Feige wanted to take his character- the comedic levity but not too threatening.
I still wish that in Endgame when Prof Hulk went to snap they had it so the gamma energy from snapping would have undone the merge they achieved to have Professor Hulk & wouldve brought us back to Savage Hulk. 1. That wouldve been a more poingant sacrifice for Hulk to snap than temporarily scarring his arm & made the decision more impactful for him since he'd be giving up the internal balance he worked so hard to achieve for all those years. 2. Thatd be a way they could reset the status quo for the character & make it easier to take him in new directions since they clearly dont have a solid gameplan on where they want to take the character. 3. We couldve also gotten a Hulk vs Thanos rematch & actually seen an Avengers 1 level Hulk tearing it up on the battlefield again
To this day I have no idea why the made it so thanos could 1v1 the hulk easily WITHOUT THE POWER STONE... Like he LITERALLY has it IN HIS HAND... and they just did not let hulk at least be defeated by someone using the incarnation of power and then side line him for the rest of the movie.
Did you not watch the movie? Thanos actually knew how to fight. Hulk wasn’t at his angriest. It’s comic accurate too btw It’s really not that hard to understand
I’m a big Hulk fan and they got that right. Thanos doesn’t need the stones most of his appearances in the comics are without them. MCU Thanos is missing most of his normal power set
Even though Joss Whedon had issues, I always respected him in how he tries to make the Hulk interesting. Throughout the first and second Avengers movie, Bruce Banner and the Hulk were always been the most interesting characters. They were really portrayed in a way that they were unpredictable and cunning. After him, Hulk just went downhill. Taika turned him into a joke while the Russo brothers really placed Hulk in the backside while also double downing Hulk as a comedic relief. I don't really think they can redeem Hulk at this point unless they soft rebooted him. I'm just thankful that the animated adaptation of the Hulk were one of the best. Planet Hulk will always be my favorite Hulk movie.
I think part of what made the hulk movies fail is the lack of professional sidekick Rick Jones. Rick is the guy who can talk Hulk down. The first person Hulk considered a friend. The two of them in a fugitive style origin film with Rick acting as the intermediary between Banner and Hulk is the movie we need.
It really does suck how much the restrictions of Universal owning the rights to the Hulk have damaged the potential of the character in live action media since Hulk is one of rhe most complex characters in Marvel as they really could've dived into the characters psychology and mental state as Bruce was a victim of childhood abuse from his father and the Hulk is the personification of Bruces race and emotions brought to life and yet we only see n that in the 2003 Ang Lee Hulk movie. The MCU have sadly wasted a lot of potential when it comes to the Hulk's psychological duality of men sharing a body and that feeling of fear and self hatred that Bruce has for himself but also how the Hulk has his own insecurities about if the world will truly see him as a hero rather than a monster. I don't know if we will ever see the complex Hulk ever again but Im hoping they someday we get the classic Hulk who may be a savage rage monster but also a deep introspective relatable character that suffers from psychology damage in a world rhat fears him
“The MCU failed the Hulk.” Taskmaster, She-Hulk, Titana, Black Widow, Mr. Fantastic, Black Bolt, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Daredevil, Venom, Ant Man & The Wasp, Thanos, Flash Thompson, Ms. Marvel, Quicksilver, MODOK, Zeus, Thor, Malekith, Crossbones, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Monica Rambeau, Nick Fury, Armin Zola, Super Skrull, Mar-Vell, Moon Knight, Agatha Harkness, Mandarin, Abomination, Kang, Eternity, Falcon, Ancient One and Namor: First Time?
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You’ve got to talk about how they messed up Loki. He doesn’t use any of his powers except a couple of illusion clones and knife. He’s supposed to be the GOD OF MISCHIEF AND EVIL. The heroes should question reality itself, just from the sheer depths of how mad his imagination is.
We really just needed one scene dedicated to Hulk and Banner uniting inside their mind and coming out as Professor Hulk together. They couldn't even give us that, these movies so do not care.
Honestly, dawg, I dont know if you have the best character or show analysis, but i just really fuck with ur content and its a nice thing to watch, or even just listen to in the background. I hope u keep posting cause i watch ur videos everytime they pop in my feed.
It's honestly sad that both Hulk and Namor couldn't be used as much because of the deal with Universal. Though it's on the fence if universal is blocking them or it's the heads of Marvel. Growing up with the Hulk, it's insane to find out how many great stories are in the comics. It's also sad that Hulk's hay day in media were the 70's, 80's and 90's with the shows and animated shows. His live action movies aren't being put out enough. I hope it changes. I don't mind She Hulk but they definitely should have done better with her and Bruce.
Yeah I can pretty much relate on how I feel about the MCU adaptation of Hulk, I grew up with the 2003 Hulk so when I saw this MCU Hulk I was fine at first but as they progress with him, he just became well lame. Anyway I'm looking forward to that Hulk 2003 review you'll do and Happy New Year
If i never watched Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and just stuck with the MCU, i wouldn't give a shit about Hulk. EMH turned him into one of my favorite characters, and now i can't help but be disappointed when i see the MCU version. Also, the Hulk disrespect continues. We finally get to see Red Hulk and the Leader on the big screen... and they're given to Sam Wilson.
I was excited for my boy after the first Avengers movie. I think they nailed him in that one. He kind of stole the show despite having relatively little screen time or set-up. Then afterward he's almost completely relegated to being a comic relief side character. Dabbing in front of kids in a diner like a clown. All his arcs happen off-screen, between movies where he ultimately ended up on the awful She Hulk show. Being talked down to and lectured about how hard life is for a woman when Banner literally tried to off himself because the stress of having the Hulk inside him made his life a nightmare.
I also think it’s weird that the way professor Hulk is created is by combining Banners personality and Hulks personality but Banner is the main personality in Hulks body, shouldn’t that create a new personality if they split and become one personality. It would make sense if the way professor Hulk was created was by getting rid of the Hulk personality completely because if it wasn’t for Banners multiple personality disorder he would just have the powers of the Hulk like all the other characters who have been exposed to gamma radiation.
Also happy birthday man, hope your day went well. Also I hate how when Chadwick Boseman passed, they wanted to retire T'challa in general not just the MCU but when William Hurt, General Ross, they replaced him with Harrison Ford. Hurt has been with the MCU since the beginning and his passing is glossed over.
Well Chadwick had a huge influence in pop culture, especially the black community. Having him replaced would've upset a lot of people so I'm glad he wasn't recast in Wakanda Forever. But I do agree that T'challa as a character still deserves representation outside the MCU. I do hope that the video game coming out from EA Motive Studios does him justice. I love Chadwicks performance but it was only lacking in one thing: T'challa's cunningness. He's a lot like Batman and is always prepared with info on his enemies and teammates. He even has backup plans to take down his fellow Avengers if it becomes necesary. I'd love to see this represented
@@jboy544as you said the MCU was in a spot as far as to replace or not to replace, in retrospect replacing or waiting for a better time to do so would've been better
@@harbour08 I think what they did was good. Admittedly not as good as the first movie but it was enjoyable with the geopolitics and clashing cultures. But Marvel knows that people aren't crazy about Shuri as Black Panther so they included T'challa jr in the post credit scene. I'm expecting him to take the next mantle or they'll recast after the MCU soft reboots as it is planning to do post Secret Wars
To think we could have gotten a trilogy of Hulk movies for the MCU because Edward Norton really cares about the character but when he was fired those film went with him
I'll admit, I was hesitant to click on a video with such a title knowing how how toxic such online discourse can be. Thank you for respectfully covering what are more or less my long held criticisms with the MCU's adaptation of the Hulk. This character means a lot to me, so when it's relevant to discuss such things with my own friends or family I tend to to get a little heated and so struggle to convey such criticism without diverging into lengthy tangents that ultimately undermine my point if for no other reason then they lose interest. Anyway, I hope your Birthday is going well or went well.
Ever since I was kid, hulk has been my favorite hero. The constant struggle between banner and hulk always fascinated me. I was so let down by the Mcu it’s ridiculous
Man the fact that MCU Hulk could have been so much more but Disney and Universal just want to have unnecessary beef over monetary values then how the fans would like it it's just mind boggling how the Hulk is more of a Victim then a Hero to the producers 😔
I'll be real when i watched the 2008 Hulk, all I gave a damn about was Hulk being Hulk but as I got older I started to appreciate Hulk from EMH not just because he's all about Hulk smash it's also the fact he displays surprising amount of intelligence and that is something I rock with. It's also pretty damn scary at times imagine face against an opponent who you think is just a raging monster but he not only shows how smart he is but talks normally. As for MCU Hulk I too was confused why Hulk and banner were different and I was ok with avengers Hulk until Thor ragnorok. I'm sorry but I dislike how Hulk was being portrayed, mostly because I had high expectations of them adapting some form of planet Hulk. Then when endgame came through I was OK with professor Hulk because I thought there was going to be a point where something happens like Natasha dies on the battlefield and Hulk being devastated to the point Hulk takes over and he eventually gets his rematch with Thanos and absolutely demolish him, but no we didn't get that and I felt like we've been robbed
I think part of it comes from the fact that many people don't know what to do with the Hulk because he is a large rampaging monster. It also affects our society to some extent. For example, if you ask what most people think of bodybuilders, they're not going to think of them as the most intelligent people or something to root for.
2:26 All of the problems with MCU hulk stem from them not having the rights to use hulk in a solo project they're only able to use him in ensemble projects because of universals owning of the hulk rights I guess it's a very weird thing that's why they had to adapt whatever stories they wanted for hulk into other people's movies because if they were going to do a solo hulk movie I think universal has all the control or something like that or maybe they make all the money from it
I’m midway through planet hulk and world war hulk comics. And holy fuck these are great. It’s a shame Disney basically turned through away this story and decided to lightly reference it instead of actually adapt it.
Don't blame Marvel, blame Universal. They won't allow a solo Hulk movie. The Hulk arc we got was Mark Ruffalo's idea for a solo hulk movie spread out across various films. Still mad we didn't actually see the professor hulk transformation tho.
We are missing 2 hulk moives and a few sences from the movies. We needed a movie in between averages 1 and two that ends with hulk seen in a negative light. And then the planet hulk moive before thor shows up.
I just saw your video on spectacular Spider-Man addiction and temptation video, man we need a season 3 if X-Men 97 can get a revival/reboot why can’t spectacular Spider-Man or avengers earth mightiest heroes I get it because of the rights, but I’m sure X-Men the original had a lot of trouble getting the rights back am I right?
Earth's Mightiest Heroes has no rights issues. Spectacular Spider-Man does, EMH simply has lack of studio interest in wanting to bring it back X-Men '97 style.
I respect your opinion about Hulk 2008 but I personally loved Norton’ s portrayal of Hulk. He felt more like the character from the comics and the hulk design is way more intimidating to me than ruffalo’s. But hopefully the character all around gets justice soon. Kinda hope they act like she hulk didn’t happen and just ignore the skaar thing and all of that. U guys need to get hulk right before u do anything else like his son.
something people dont talk about is that bruce technically killed the hulk thats not smart hulk thats just bruce banner in hulks body he killed the hulk hulks personality is no longer alive
Planet hulk / world war hulk are some of my favorite comics ever. And to see the story Frankenstein’ed together in Thor Ragnarock I was beyond pissed. Hulk was turned into a bumbling baby in the movie and the next time we see him he gets bodied by thanos and becomes a scared crybaby until he is gone forever with professor hulk in endgame… Edit: also I think Thor 3 was the true start of the modern MCU, nonstop jokes that ruin the impact and flow of any suspension and drama. The funny thing is I remember everyone around me and reviewers at the time saying “Thor 3 was so funny, such a good movie” and I felt like I was going crazy.
you’re close but not 100% on the mark for the Hulk film rights situation. Basically Marvel/Disney own and retain the rights to use him in films and shows however they please and can make their own solo Hulk film whenever they want, but Universal owns the right of first refusal for distribution rights to said solo Hulk movie. basically, if they make a new solo Hulk movie, they’re obligated to see if Universal wants to distribute it and Disney doesn’t want to do that bc they’d be making a lot less money on it and Universal would effectively get a free payday. the theme parks deal’s got nothing to do with the film rights, that’s a whole other can of worms
They ruined my favorite hero. But at least his comics will always be one of the top 3 of marvel,along with Spiderman and wolverine. Immortal Hulk is awesome.
I thought the MCU hulk started out good but i agree that they wasted the potential of Hulk I wish he got more solo outing in the Movies seeing Hulk develop more a character and show he can be smart the the Movie just made him go from being a mindless Rage monster to the Professor Hulk and we never see what happens him him during the Snap Time Skip and I like him in Ragnarok wish they did more with him their.
Id argue that marvel failed marvel. Managment over there has always been shotty at best. Literally has never been able to get their shit together since like 92'.
Naa hulk losing to thanos and dipping was the best decision they ever made. I don't want to see hulk disrespected like that ever again. I took that personally and will never advertise marvel going forward that was what we call a character assassination to dunk on fans. That wasn't hulk that was his failed lil bro sulk.
its crazy how even a hero shooter did this character more justice then the mcu. Both hulk and banner have whole conversations in marvel rivals.
I feel a similar way about Thor; Chris' desire for comedy and Taika's direction took him somewhere I'd rather he didn't, even in "Ragnarok."
To be honest Ragnarok needed to happen in order for Infinity war and endgame to help with Thor's development.
I have come to enjoy the first movie but the second movie is just background noise no matter how many times I try to engage with it.
Yeah at the time Ragnarok was released, some people were skeptical about seeing it because of the prior two movies. It was nice at the time but over the years more and more people have called it out as not that great along with causing character issues.
Love and Thunder was just a mess. My mom finally watched it and she didn't like it. She actually likes Thor but if she doesn't like, when she binges all the transformers movies despite how bad they are, then you know something is wrong.
@mandalorianhunter1 I honestly can't remember the 2nd Thor film much. Can you elaborate on "Ragnarok" being pivotal to Thor's development? I feel like if they really wanted to go the comedic route, they could've had Enchantress as the villain for L&R and trying to come between Thor and Jane, being a rom-com/superhero parody film, highlighting how seperate fantasy feels in the MCU as Avengers-centric and sci-fi dominant; as gods, a lot of the shenganegans in the film could've been seen as menial while everyone on Earth is just terrified. Plus Jane's cancer story could be introduced here.
Thor 5 (if it was warranted) could do a 180 and be a darker, psychological-type film with Gorr kidnapping Thor akin to the "God of Thunder" comic with Jane becoming Lady Thor and dying to save him.
@@mandalorianhunter1 ragnarok is still good. The problem is simply that taika just didn’t care about the 4th one for whatever reason. Hopefully the next director actually gives a damn
Hemsworth is actually upset about how much thor has been dumbed down and how comedic he has gotten. So it's more taika's fault. To the point where Hemsworth is refusing to do another thor movie with taika directing it
I finally watched love and thunder, I kinda liked parts of it but some of it seemed kinda weird considering the stakes of the movie. Overall I liked how it developed Thor but I think how they treated the kidnapping of the kids like it wasn't that big of a deal seemed kinda weird. Like all the kids get kidnapped and they are like. No big deal, just another day. Lots of people died and it's treated like an after thought. The opening was cool and funny. And I liked the ending and how Thor and Jane turned out. I feel like they should of made Valkerie and Jane more serious, about the kidnapping.
Like they should be telling Thor off for acting like a child, his character in the movie makes sense in my opinion. He lost everything after end game and ragnorok and wonders aimlessly to ignore his grief. That part makes sense to me, but when he returns home and acts that way I feel Jane should point out that it's not right. There needs to be a scene where they confront Thor about how serious things actually are. But all the main characters are too self centered themselves to point out that Thor is acting like a child.
Please watch Hulk's deleted scenes from Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame. In Infinity War, it shows him turning professor Hulk for the first time in his fight with Cull Obsidian, where Banner and Hulk agree to come together. Then Natasha tries to do the "Sun's getting real low" thing on him, and it doesn't work because he's already calm and speaking plainly. Then in Endgame, his intro is jumping into a burning building to save civilians. I think audiences would have liked professor Hulk way more if they kept those scenes, but the Russos don't like Hulk, so they cut them for more Iron Man scenes :T.
I elected not to mention the deleted scenes but I wish I did, because some are actually amazing. Not just for hulk but captain americas in avengers age of ultrin sticks out
@@Venxous You're gonna talk about Cap's deleted scenes and not him walking through New York and trying to ask a girl out in the modern day? Hell, all the scenes that waitress (Ashley Johnson's character) that were supposed to be in the climax of the movie were cut, too. Tragic.
There’s concept art for the finale of Endgame which depicts Drax pinning down a Chitauri Gorilla while Hulk is about to body slam it. The artists had more respect for the guy than the filmmakers. I actually forgot Hulk was there. All he does in a big battle with every MCU hero is destroy a Chitauri chariot and swat away an Outrider.
That’s insulting.
That "live and let live" scene was probably the best acting Mark Ruffalo did in his entire MCU run.
That scene getting cut is criminal
@@Venxous You gotta watch the live-action TV series 'The Incredible Hulk'[1977]! There are the unfortunate issues of it not having anything from the comics outside of Dr Banner and the Hulk, Dr Banner being referred to as "David Banner" instead of "Bruce Banner", the Hulk not being impervious to bullets, the Hulk not having his traditional physique due to the limits of the human body, and the Hulk never speaking at any point, but outside of those issues, that series is really good and is filled with really good stories. That series's version of Dr Banner is the best version of the character that there has ever been and Bill Bixby's acting in the role is exceptional, as is Lou Ferrigno's acting in the role of Hulk. Lou was great at showing Hulk's emotions and curiosity with just his facial expressions. It's rather sad how Bill died at only 59 years old due to cancer and how during the timespan that this series was being made, he not only went through a nasty divorce, but also lost his son, Christopher, who was only six years old, and the year following Christopher's passing, Bill's former wife, actor Brenda Benet, committed suicide due to going through deep depression as a result of losing Christopher.
Every year from 2014 to 2019, I went to Dragon Con and I got to meet Lou Ferrigno 2 of those years. In 2014, which is the year I graduated from high school, I got a picture with him, and in 2018, I got an autograph from him.
If you look at some of the very few clips of Edward Norton behind the scenes, making adjustments, basically everything great about the film came from him. The studio just wanted a brainless action flick. Norton is a huge Hulk nerd, and wanted to explore the two personalities further, and explore his abuse and trauma, and why Hulk exists, and how that trauma affects him and the people in his life. But the studio thought that was too close to Ang Lee’s Hulk, so they kept pushing back against Norton, which caused massive slowdowns in production. So Norton fought for what little he could get, to at least make the movie decent enough. He also wrote basically every scene that was of the Hulk himself, and fought for Lou Ferrigno to do his voice. Norton MADE that film.
I really hope that after Secret Wars and The MCU goes into that "Soft-reboot" stage, Hulk are one of those characters that are affected by it. His story-telling potential had been tossed to shit in the current MCU, don't even get me started on how downplayed Planet Hulk was in Ragnarok, it sucks so freaking much.
Look how they massacred our boy 😢
Even till this day I'm still Glad my Introduction to MCU/Marvel as a Whole is the True Big Green Monster in Hulk 2008
Before the The Dark Times
Before the Mouse
I would gladly Watch Hulk Pummeling the living crap out of Abomination
Than Sam Without Super Soldier Serum facing off Red Hulk💀
I loved that one :) good memories
I stand by 2003.
I don't know how Joss Whedon came up with the idea of having Black Widow and Hulk be lovers when nothing about those two characters coincide. Black Widow is all about stealth and guile and the Hulk is a 7'0 green rage monster that screams, "Hulk smash!" And just because Black Widow can't conceive doesn't mean that she's the perfect love interest for Banner as she would still be killed if they tried to play "hide the zucchini." It was just a bad subplot that Sam Wilson summarized perfectly in Infinity War, "this is awkward."
Well, Black Widow was the one tasked with retrieving Banner in Avengers. For her at that point she considered considered herself a monster for killing a child in order to get her freedom from the Red Room. For Widow she sees banner as an innocent man despite knowing what he's capable of if he transforms. When he finally does Transform she sees the nature of the monster that Banner is holding inside and understands that amongst the team that there is no one else (maybe cap with Tony's parents) that's truly holding a demon back the way she is.
when you watch just Age of Ultron with a 4 year gap between the movie and focus on the full team's plot and not the individual character arcs, it goes over your head. but that's part of the fun with these movie, everything makes more sense in hindsight.
The relationship deserved better. So shut up. #Brutasha
That relationship/romance was so out of nowhere, if anything Cap and Black Widow should’ve been a couple they had way more chemistry and more things in common especially if you watch Captain America: The Winter Soldier. That was the perfect movie to make Steve and Natasha lovers, specifically when she asked him if that kiss was his first and I still hate that they killed her off in Endgame, how can you kill off your most beloved female character?
@@demonkidd8098 how when he was being set up with Sharon Carter and was heartbroken over Peggy? I love that everyone says that but other than them looking good together and working for SHIELD what chemistry did they have?
Nah I like the concept but execution wasn’t there unfortunately
When endgame came through I was OK with professor Hulk because I thought there was going to be a point where something terrible happens which forces Hulk to come out like
1. him and rocket being pinned under rumble and almost drowning
2.Natasha dying on the battlefield and Hulk being devastated to the point Hulk takes over and goes world War Hulk
3. He has his rematch against Thanos but something triggers Hulk into coming out where and absolutely demolish him, but no we didn't get that and I felt like we've been robbed
I really dislike Ruffalo’s Hulk. I view him as the downfall of MCU hulk, once they replaced Norton with him it showed where marvel studios and Feige wanted to take his character- the comedic levity but not too threatening.
idk i feel like avengers 1 had some decent characterization for bruce with the helicarrier scenes and “im always angry” line
if we got a proper planet hulk adaptation I think he could have been a decent take on it.
I still wish that in Endgame when Prof Hulk went to snap they had it so the gamma energy from snapping would have undone the merge they achieved to have Professor Hulk & wouldve brought us back to Savage Hulk. 1. That wouldve been a more poingant sacrifice for Hulk to snap than temporarily scarring his arm & made the decision more impactful for him since he'd be giving up the internal balance he worked so hard to achieve for all those years.
2. Thatd be a way they could reset the status quo for the character & make it easier to take him in new directions since they clearly dont have a solid gameplan on where they want to take the character.
3. We couldve also gotten a Hulk vs Thanos rematch & actually seen an Avengers 1 level Hulk tearing it up on the battlefield again
To this day I have no idea why the made it so thanos could 1v1 the hulk easily WITHOUT THE POWER STONE... Like he LITERALLY has it IN HIS HAND... and they just did not let hulk at least be defeated by someone using the incarnation of power and then side line him for the rest of the movie.
to flex from what some people say. Thanos COULDVE, BUT he didn't
Thanos has always been stronger than hulk bro that’s just one of the few times the mcu was actually comic accurate
Did you not watch the movie? Thanos actually knew how to fight. Hulk wasn’t at his angriest. It’s comic accurate too btw
It’s really not that hard to understand
I’m a big Hulk fan and they got that right. Thanos doesn’t need the stones most of his appearances in the comics are without them. MCU Thanos is missing most of his normal power set
@@giosbizarreart9048 Hulk has been powerful enough to crack an entire plant with a step. No thanos is not stronger.
Hulk had the most anticlimactic resolution to a story arc in history.
Even though Joss Whedon had issues, I always respected him in how he tries to make the Hulk interesting. Throughout the first and second Avengers movie, Bruce Banner and the Hulk were always been the most interesting characters. They were really portrayed in a way that they were unpredictable and cunning. After him, Hulk just went downhill. Taika turned him into a joke while the Russo brothers really placed Hulk in the backside while also double downing Hulk as a comedic relief.
I don't really think they can redeem Hulk at this point unless they soft rebooted him. I'm just thankful that the animated adaptation of the Hulk were one of the best. Planet Hulk will always be my favorite Hulk movie.
I think part of what made the hulk movies fail is the lack of professional sidekick Rick Jones. Rick is the guy who can talk Hulk down. The first person Hulk considered a friend. The two of them in a fugitive style origin film with Rick acting as the intermediary between Banner and Hulk is the movie we need.
It really does suck how much the restrictions of Universal owning the rights to the Hulk have damaged the potential of the character in live action media since Hulk is one of rhe most complex characters in Marvel as they really could've dived into the characters psychology and mental state as Bruce was a victim of childhood abuse from his father and the Hulk is the personification of Bruces race and emotions brought to life and yet we only see n that in the 2003 Ang Lee Hulk movie. The MCU have sadly wasted a lot of potential when it comes to the Hulk's psychological duality of men sharing a body and that feeling of fear and self hatred that Bruce has for himself but also how the Hulk has his own insecurities about if the world will truly see him as a hero rather than a monster.
I don't know if we will ever see the complex Hulk ever again but Im hoping they someday we get the classic Hulk who may be a savage rage monster but also a deep introspective relatable character that suffers from psychology damage in a world rhat fears him
Hulk is my favorite hero since a kid since I had anger issues so I loved him and hated how they nerfed him.
“The MCU failed the Hulk.”
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Man.. this is ridiculous lmao You're giving such amazing vibes like one of the nicest most chill dudes I know. Got me feeling like I'm watching my own lil bro rise and being filled with pride😂🤌
May you never fold to any struggle and stay strong in your positive vibes, bro. Really love the energy I'm getting from you. This year shall be an even greater better year for you🗿
Biggest victim of the ‘Worf Effect’, people kept dunking on the Hulk, because it made them look more impressive. See Thanos for the best example.
Thanos is the only example
@ She-Hulk
@@chilliicecream5456 she didn’t beat him though?
@@Rockso78 she clowned on him though. Gave him the ‘everything you can do I can do better’ treatment.
@ that just did not happen.
You’ve got to talk about how they messed up Loki.
He doesn’t use any of his powers except a couple of illusion clones and knife.
He’s supposed to be the GOD OF MISCHIEF AND EVIL.
The heroes should question reality itself, just from the sheer depths of how mad his imagination is.
Everyone in the MCU feels less powerful and more grounded.
The problem was Universal, them not allowing more solo Hulk stories crippled the MCU's ability to do stories actually about Hulk
Nah it’s Disney
Your videos are always a joy to watch.
Thank you, and happy new year from Australia!
We really just needed one scene dedicated to Hulk and Banner uniting inside their mind and coming out as Professor Hulk together.
They couldn't even give us that, these movies so do not care.
Hulk got two solo films before the MCU even started. Any redemption for the character was an achievement.
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Honestly, dawg, I dont know if you have the best character or show analysis, but i just really fuck with ur content and its a nice thing to watch, or even just listen to in the background. I hope u keep posting cause i watch ur videos everytime they pop in my feed.
It's honestly sad that both Hulk and Namor couldn't be used as much because of the deal with Universal. Though it's on the fence if universal is blocking them or it's the heads of Marvel.
Growing up with the Hulk, it's insane to find out how many great stories are in the comics. It's also sad that Hulk's hay day in media were the 70's, 80's and 90's with the shows and animated shows. His live action movies aren't being put out enough.
I hope it changes. I don't mind She Hulk but they definitely should have done better with her and Bruce.
As a huge Hulk fan, he was done so dirty by the MCU. He’s supposed to be an infinitely strong monster of pure rage
Happy birthday.
Yeah I can pretty much relate on how I feel about the MCU adaptation of Hulk, I grew up with the 2003 Hulk so when I saw this MCU Hulk I was fine at first but as they progress with him, he just became well lame. Anyway I'm looking forward to that Hulk 2003 review you'll do and Happy New Year
Lemme just say that the Hulk and Black Widow relationship deserved better. It just suffered from bad writing that’s all.
Happy new year Venx!
That one of the things I hate about the MCU their constant usage of humor.
If i never watched Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and just stuck with the MCU, i wouldn't give a shit about Hulk. EMH turned him into one of my favorite characters, and now i can't help but be disappointed when i see the MCU version.
Also, the Hulk disrespect continues. We finally get to see Red Hulk and the Leader on the big screen... and they're given to Sam Wilson.
I’m so glad I got back into comics while your still small ish man. I love putting on your videos and playing Minecraft
Happy Belated Birthday
I was excited for my boy after the first Avengers movie. I think they nailed him in that one. He kind of stole the show despite having relatively little screen time or set-up.
Then afterward he's almost completely relegated to being a comic relief side character. Dabbing in front of kids in a diner like a clown. All his arcs happen off-screen, between movies where he ultimately ended up on the awful She Hulk show. Being talked down to and lectured about how hard life is for a woman when Banner literally tried to off himself because the stress of having the Hulk inside him made his life a nightmare.
I hadn't realised Universal still held the film rights.
Everything makes sense now.
Another amazing video brother!
I also think it’s weird that the way professor Hulk is created is by combining Banners personality and Hulks personality but Banner is the main personality in Hulks body, shouldn’t that create a new personality if they split and become one personality. It would make sense if the way professor Hulk was created was by getting rid of the Hulk personality completely because if it wasn’t for Banners multiple personality disorder he would just have the powers of the Hulk like all the other characters who have been exposed to gamma radiation.
Biggest injustice for Hulk was putting A class nimrod like Mark to play him 😅
The rights issues isnt just that.
They were open to making another hulk film with the studio but marvel never wanted to do it.
wasn't there a copyright thing going on with hulk during the mcu movies that basically stopped them from using him properly?
Yeah universal had the distribution rights to any solo films and the two companies couldn’t play nice.
I think Immortal Hulk would be a good What If Episode. That way we can get around Universal
Happy Birthday!
Ngl Planet Hulk needed a World War Hulk movie to cap it off
Also happy birthday man, hope your day went well.
Also I hate how when Chadwick Boseman passed, they wanted to retire T'challa in general not just the MCU but when William Hurt, General Ross, they replaced him with Harrison Ford. Hurt has been with the MCU since the beginning and his passing is glossed over.
Well Chadwick had a huge influence in pop culture, especially the black community. Having him replaced would've upset a lot of people so I'm glad he wasn't recast in Wakanda Forever. But I do agree that T'challa as a character still deserves representation outside the MCU. I do hope that the video game coming out from EA Motive Studios does him justice. I love Chadwicks performance but it was only lacking in one thing: T'challa's cunningness. He's a lot like Batman and is always prepared with info on his enemies and teammates. He even has backup plans to take down his fellow Avengers if it becomes necesary. I'd love to see this represented
@@jboy544as you said the MCU was in a spot as far as to replace or not to replace, in retrospect replacing or waiting for a better time to do so would've been better
@@harbour08 I think what they did was good. Admittedly not as good as the first movie but it was enjoyable with the geopolitics and clashing cultures. But Marvel knows that people aren't crazy about Shuri as Black Panther so they included T'challa jr in the post credit scene. I'm expecting him to take the next mantle or they'll recast after the MCU soft reboots as it is planning to do post Secret Wars
Hurt was also a r@p1st, so Ross needed to be recast.
@@KnightEclipser Oh damn fr?
The MCU failed a lot of Marvel characters.
Im a lifelong Marvel Comics & especially Incredible Hulk fan..it was INFURIATING to see the MCU totally EMASCULATE both Hulk as well as Thor!
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The MCU kinda needed to write Bruce better, as well as Hulk, and have Hulk been more prominent.
Great video essay need more!
Have you played Marvel Rivals yet?
Playing rn
@@Venxousits so good, i’m at work rn but that games got me enthralled 🤩
To think we could have gotten a trilogy of Hulk movies for the MCU because Edward Norton really cares about the character but when he was fired those film went with him
Tbh for all what ifs flaws, the first episode of season 3 was a cool homage to immortal hulk (kinda)
I'll admit, I was hesitant to click on a video with such a title knowing how how toxic such online discourse can be. Thank you for respectfully covering what are more or less my long held criticisms with the MCU's adaptation of the Hulk. This character means a lot to me, so when it's relevant to discuss such things with my own friends or family I tend to to get a little heated and so struggle to convey such criticism without diverging into lengthy tangents that ultimately undermine my point if for no other reason then they lose interest.
Anyway, I hope your Birthday is going well or went well.
Happy late birthday!
Character rights are God awful
Ever since I was kid, hulk has been my favorite hero. The constant struggle between banner and hulk always fascinated me. I was so let down by the Mcu it’s ridiculous
Man the fact that MCU Hulk could have been so much more but Disney and Universal just want to have unnecessary beef over monetary values then how the fans would like it it's just mind boggling how the Hulk is more of a Victim then a Hero to the producers 😔
I hated Thor Ragnarok and hated Hulk in it. Reducing him to jokes and whatnot (as well as Thor) is one of the biggest stains to both Characters.
Well hey happy birthday man
I'll be real when i watched the 2008 Hulk, all I gave a damn about was Hulk being Hulk but as I got older I started to appreciate Hulk from EMH not just because he's all about Hulk smash it's also the fact he displays surprising amount of intelligence and that is something I rock with. It's also pretty damn scary at times imagine face against an opponent who you think is just a raging monster but he not only shows how smart he is but talks normally.
As for MCU Hulk I too was confused why Hulk and banner were different and I was ok with avengers Hulk until Thor ragnorok. I'm sorry but I dislike how Hulk was being portrayed, mostly because I had high expectations of them adapting some form of planet Hulk.
Then when endgame came through I was OK with professor Hulk because I thought there was going to be a point where something happens like Natasha dies on the battlefield and Hulk being devastated to the point Hulk takes over and he eventually gets his rematch with Thanos and absolutely demolish him, but no we didn't get that and I felt like we've been robbed
MCU/Disney turned Hulk into Shrek.
what's with the weak sob story in the beginning?
I think part of it comes from the fact that many people don't know what to do with the Hulk because he is a large rampaging monster. It also affects our society to some extent. For example, if you ask what most people think of bodybuilders, they're not going to think of them as the most intelligent people or something to root for.
Happy birthday
2:26 All of the problems with MCU hulk stem from them not having the rights to use hulk in a solo project they're only able to use him in ensemble projects because of universals owning of the hulk rights I guess it's a very weird thing that's why they had to adapt whatever stories they wanted for hulk into other people's movies because if they were going to do a solo hulk movie I think universal has all the control or something like that or maybe they make all the money from it
As of June 2023, the rights to standalone Hulk movies have reverted back to Marvel.
I’m midway through planet hulk and world war hulk comics. And holy fuck these are great. It’s a shame Disney basically turned through away this story and decided to lightly reference it instead of actually adapt it.
Don't blame Marvel, blame Universal. They won't allow a solo Hulk movie. The Hulk arc we got was Mark Ruffalo's idea for a solo hulk movie spread out across various films. Still mad we didn't actually see the professor hulk transformation tho.
We are missing 2 hulk moives and a few sences from the movies. We needed a movie in between averages 1 and two that ends with hulk seen in a negative light. And then the planet hulk moive before thor shows up.
PLEASE, can you do a video about Miss Martian next, Venxous?
Hulk in MCU isn’t even Hulk. He has so many layers to his character in the comics
Have you considered doing any of hulk's TV series?
Had to pause this to go back and rewatch planet hulk
I loved watching Planet Hulk as a kid
I just saw your video on spectacular Spider-Man addiction and temptation video, man we need a season 3 if X-Men 97 can get a revival/reboot why can’t spectacular Spider-Man or avengers earth mightiest heroes I get it because of the rights, but I’m sure X-Men the original had a lot of trouble getting the rights back am I right?
Earth's Mightiest Heroes has no rights issues. Spectacular Spider-Man does, EMH simply has lack of studio interest in wanting to bring it back X-Men '97 style.
I respect your opinion about Hulk 2008 but I personally loved Norton’ s portrayal of Hulk. He felt more like the character from the comics and the hulk design is way more intimidating to me than ruffalo’s. But hopefully the character all around gets justice soon. Kinda hope they act like she hulk didn’t happen and just ignore the skaar thing and all of that. U guys need to get hulk right before u do anything else like his son.
fire video as always
something people dont talk about is that bruce technically
killed the hulk thats not smart hulk thats just bruce banner in hulks body he killed the hulk hulks personality is no longer alive
they will call it a new personality. like always
Planet hulk / world war hulk are some of my favorite comics ever. And to see the story Frankenstein’ed together in Thor Ragnarock I was beyond pissed. Hulk was turned into a bumbling baby in the movie and the next time we see him he gets bodied by thanos and becomes a scared crybaby until he is gone forever with professor hulk in endgame…
Edit: also I think Thor 3 was the true start of the modern MCU, nonstop jokes that ruin the impact and flow of any suspension and drama. The funny thing is I remember everyone around me and reviewers at the time saying “Thor 3 was so funny, such a good movie” and I felt like I was going crazy.
Happy late birthday.
Imagine if we got world breaker hulk movie man that would be nuts
this make anyone else relize a tv show about exploreing bruces various personalties would be cool
Thor Ragnarok was horrible and they turning Hulk into a damn joke
Hulk is my favorite hero, since I was a kid, so this will be great.
you’re close but not 100% on the mark for the Hulk film rights situation. Basically Marvel/Disney own and retain the rights to use him in films and shows however they please and can make their own solo Hulk film whenever they want, but Universal owns the right of first refusal for distribution rights to said solo Hulk movie. basically, if they make a new solo Hulk movie, they’re obligated to see if Universal wants to distribute it and Disney doesn’t want to do that bc they’d be making a lot less money on it and Universal would effectively get a free payday. the theme parks deal’s got nothing to do with the film rights, that’s a whole other can of worms
They ruined my favorite hero. But at least his comics will always be one of the top 3 of marvel,along with Spiderman and wolverine. Immortal Hulk is awesome.
I thought the MCU hulk started out good but i agree that they wasted the potential of Hulk I wish he got more solo outing in the Movies seeing Hulk develop more a character and show he can be smart the the Movie just made him go from being a mindless Rage monster to the Professor Hulk and we never see what happens him him during the Snap Time Skip and I like him in Ragnarok wish they did more with him their.
The incredible Bulk is taken more seriously perhaps lol
Please do a hulk 1990s show video please!
best of 2024 when?
Hulk my favourite since time , the way mcu hoed him is not right
Id argue that marvel failed marvel. Managment over there has always been shotty at best. Literally has never been able to get their shit together since like 92'.
Sorry MCU Hulk was a real disappointment but Happy Birthday regardless.
Naa hulk losing to thanos and dipping was the best decision they ever made.
I don't want to see hulk disrespected like that ever again.
I took that personally and will never advertise marvel going forward that was what we call a character assassination to dunk on fans.
That wasn't hulk that was his failed lil bro sulk.
Norton >>> Ruffalo
Always & forever.
Me when I wash out my mouthing
Thanos won because he’s more skilled but he really can’t put down the hulk like that fr
Yes he can
@ no he cannot that was inconsistent written hulk