I can't imagine a way to make this entertaining. It's like watching paint dry. It is however, educational. Thanks if you watched all the way through. Rich
Great content! Watching paint dry but a window into the things to come. Eventually, you should be able to connect the saw to you phone and have a service tech look at it remotely. Lots of options with this technology.
Richard, thank you for this video! I inherited the MDG system, when our Stihl trained guy quit. He went on to a job he was in college for. (Jet engine repair, as I heard it.) So, I have been a month trying to learn how to use the m-tronic stuff. Your presentation was great. Thank you, I appreciate it. Friday I hooked up everything and made my first saw using the MDG to re-set the saw. Thank you.
That's Awesome! There's a 2.0 version out now. I haven't had luck getting logged in yet. Need some help from tech support. It's supposed to have some more features.
i am over in uk , i am thinking in buying this tool , as i just rebuilt a ms500i , i couldn't see any spark when pulling recoil , so needed it plugged in to test ignition module , but no one in my area has the stihl tool to do this , so maybe a little sideline venture for me , great video demo of running through process ,
Wow that’s awsome. I just added the stihl Bluetooth smart connect added to all my stihl equipment. Have you used this product yet? Thanks for video very informative. Nice to see how far these saws have come with technology. Now we have data to see how long saws are lasting what are some major issues that need addressed and how many hours we are getting before we need to bring it in for updates. A lot of information we now have with this equipment
Best info I've seen, on M-tronic - Thank You! What I am trying to determine: is an M-tronic ms261, as reliable as a carbureted ms261? I'd rather have the long-term reliability, and ability to fix problems myself. Thank you!
Honestly, I feel the MTronic saws run better than a properly tuned traditional carbureted saw. Both the Auto Tune and MTronic components are pretty robust. I would suggest running 40:1 mix regardless of MTronic or standard saw for longevity. It's fine for the top end but the bearings in the bottom end need the added film strength of that little extra oil.
@@richardflagg3084 Thank you for the advice, on the M-tronic. I'll assume, the 40:1 mix (Stihl oil) won't cause exhaust plugging? I had an old Homelite PS33, that plugged its exhaust - with older type mix oil. My little MS250, has stayed clean on the Stihl oil at 50:1. Plus, my other Stihl tools use the same 50:1.
@@nanomaine I'm not a huge fan of the Stihl Ultra. It has a very high flash point. The original Stihl orange bottle will give better results. All 2 stroke oil has to burn. A high quality oil that has a lower flash point will carbon up less.
Hey rich I have a 201tc-m and when you start it for the first time and let it warm up for atleast 30-45 secs it falls on its face when I give it throttle. But straightens out after 4-5 mins. I replaced spark plug air filter fuel filter and cleaned tank. I removed the spark arrester awhile ago and always use canned gas.Did the mtronic reset and still does it. Do u have any suggestions? Possibly looking for a lil port work and muffler mod. Are you taking customers?
Does it have a hesitation when you throttle up? Especially if you let it idle for a little bit in between cuts? If so it's time for a new carb. Swapping out the solenoid or putting a kit in the carb won't make a difference, in my experience.
@@richardflagg3084 nope the only hesitation it has is within the first couple cuts of a cold start. It doesn’t even do it if I run it then shut it off for 20 mins and start it back up
Are you doing a lot of light pruning? Go stick it in some wood you can make some full bar length cuts. Allow it to cut under a steady load, and when you come out of the cut, let it idle for 10 seconds. It helps the MTronic system learn.
@@richardflagg3084 I do use it to limb, but also to chunk down a tree until the wood is bigger then the bar and then I’ll switch to a bigger saw. Next time I’ll let it idle for 10 secs after I cut. Thanks for the help.
@@williamfrancisco9077Without it being right in front of me it's hard to diagnose. Seems to run fine MOST of the time. Which is incredibly frustrating for you.
I see a small improvement in throttle response with a mild timing advance. As far as a real increase in performance/ power I think a healthy muffler mod helps more IMHO.
@@davidgoldsmith939 The Older MDG1's had a CD to get started. Inside the kit there is a card with a serial number and a link to download the software on to your computer. After that, It updates as necessary when you log in. It's a one time spend. No recurring costs to "stay current"
Where can I purchase this software. I own a Stihl ms661R C-M and a Stihl ms261 C-M. Looking at other Stihl saws with the M-tonics. I called my local dealer he said I think you need to be a Stihl tech to get one. They was looking it up and doesn’t show available to customers. So I’m not sure if it’s just not in stock or it’s not available unless you work as a contractor for Stihl
I was "allowed" to purchase this will a little help. I'm not sure going forward how long I will be able to use it, and the software. The 2.0 version software that is just out requires a dealer log in, unlike the current version I have. It has been supported and updated along the way as I have used it. I have a feeling the platform I have will eventually not be supported and rendered useless. Just speculation for now, but highly possible.
well i thought i was ready to purchase a new saw, im a fan of the fuel injection, but needing a thousand dollar diagnostic tool and not releasing software is a NO GO for me..... Stihl, you really fucked this up
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I can't imagine a way to make this entertaining. It's like watching paint dry. It is however, educational. Thanks if you watched all the way through. Rich
Hell yeah we enjoyed it. I’d say u hit a home run on good content, for this one.
Thanks!
Great content! Watching paint dry but a window into the things to come. Eventually, you should be able to connect the saw to you phone and have a service tech look at it remotely. Lots of options with this technology.
Actually, Husqvarna has a blue tooth connect to locate the saw. Don't tell
Richard, thank you for this video! I inherited the MDG system, when our Stihl trained guy quit. He went on to a job he was in college for. (Jet engine repair, as I heard it.)
So, I have been a month trying to learn how to use the m-tronic stuff. Your presentation was great. Thank you, I appreciate it. Friday I hooked up everything and made my first saw using the MDG to re-set the saw. Thank you.
That's Awesome! There's a 2.0 version out now. I haven't had luck getting logged in yet. Need some help from tech support. It's supposed to have some more features.
New 2.0 is softwer for stihl dealer! I work mdg 2.0 , this softwer only update !
Thank you for sharing Rich.
Good stuff Richard! I love this!
I'll do another video using the Husqvarna Diagnostic Tool and show the pros and cons. Thanks Cuz
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i am over in uk , i am thinking in buying this tool , as i just rebuilt a ms500i , i couldn't see any spark when pulling recoil , so needed it plugged in to test ignition module , but no one in my area has the stihl tool to do this , so maybe a little sideline venture for me ,
great video demo of running through process ,
Any idea if you can download the software online or where I can find it. I have access to the mdg1 but no software
Can I use this to reset the computer on a TS440 blade brake with just the diag tool or do I need to download any software from Stihl?
Wow that’s awsome. I just added the stihl Bluetooth smart connect added to all my stihl equipment. Have you used this product yet? Thanks for video very informative. Nice to see how far these saws have come with technology. Now we have data to see how long saws are lasting what are some major issues that need addressed and how many hours we are getting before we need to bring it in for updates. A lot of information we now have with this equipment
I have seen the Husqvarna bluetooth but not the Stihl. I definitely like the new tech too. Thanks!
Do you got any information, whats different between sds and sds 2.0.?
Would the MDG1 system detect a vacuum leak?
Best info I've seen, on M-tronic - Thank You!
What I am trying to determine: is an M-tronic ms261, as reliable as a carbureted ms261?
I'd rather have the long-term reliability, and ability to fix problems myself. Thank you!
Honestly, I feel the MTronic saws run better than a properly tuned traditional carbureted saw. Both the Auto Tune and MTronic components are pretty robust. I would suggest running 40:1 mix regardless of MTronic or standard saw for longevity. It's fine for the top end but the bearings in the bottom end need the added film strength of that little extra oil.
@@richardflagg3084 Thank you for the advice, on the M-tronic.
I'll assume, the 40:1 mix (Stihl oil) won't cause exhaust plugging? I had an old Homelite PS33, that plugged its exhaust - with older type mix oil. My little MS250, has stayed clean on the Stihl oil at 50:1. Plus, my other Stihl tools use the same 50:1.
@@nanomaine I'm not a huge fan of the Stihl Ultra. It has a very high flash point. The original Stihl orange bottle will give better results. All 2 stroke oil has to burn. A high quality oil that has a lower flash point will carbon up less.
Hey rich I have a 201tc-m and when you start it for the first time and let it warm up for atleast 30-45 secs it falls on its face when I give it throttle. But straightens out after 4-5 mins. I replaced spark plug air filter fuel filter and cleaned tank. I removed the spark arrester awhile ago and always use canned gas.Did the mtronic reset and still does it. Do u have any suggestions? Possibly looking for a lil port work and muffler mod. Are you taking customers?
Does it have a hesitation when you throttle up? Especially if you let it idle for a little bit in between cuts? If so it's time for a new carb. Swapping out the solenoid or putting a kit in the carb won't make a difference, in my experience.
@@richardflagg3084 nope the only hesitation it has is within the first couple cuts of a cold start. It doesn’t even do it if I run it then shut it off for 20 mins and start it back up
Are you doing a lot of light pruning? Go stick it in some wood you can make some full bar length cuts. Allow it to cut under a steady load, and when you come out of the cut, let it idle for 10 seconds. It helps the MTronic system learn.
@@richardflagg3084 I do use it to limb, but also to chunk down a tree until the wood is bigger then the bar and then I’ll switch to a bigger saw. Next time I’ll let it idle for 10 secs after I cut. Thanks for the help.
@@williamfrancisco9077Without it being right in front of me it's hard to diagnose. Seems to run fine MOST of the time. Which is incredibly frustrating for you.
is it worth it to timing advance these saws or just leave them alone?
I see a small improvement in throttle response with a mild timing advance. As far as a real increase in performance/ power I think a healthy muffler mod helps more IMHO.
@@richardflagg3084 thanks , yea i muffler modded it the second day i had it but didnt know if the advance was worth it or not.
I would sure like to purchase a MDG-1 but I don't know where to get the software. Are you a Stihl Dealer ? Or is there another approach ?
Talk to your local dealer. He should be able to sell you the diagnostic kit
@@richardflagg3084 They will sell me the kit but not the software. When you got yours how did you get the software?
@@davidgoldsmith939 The Older MDG1's had a CD to get started. Inside the kit there is a card with a serial number and a link to download the software on to your computer. After that, It updates as necessary when you log in. It's a one time spend. No recurring costs to "stay current"
Where can I purchase this software. I own a Stihl ms661R C-M and a Stihl ms261 C-M. Looking at other Stihl saws with the M-tonics. I called my local dealer he said I think you need to be a Stihl tech to get one. They was looking it up and doesn’t show available to customers. So I’m not sure if it’s just not in stock or it’s not available unless you work as a contractor for Stihl
I was "allowed" to purchase this will a little help. I'm not sure going forward how long I will be able to use it, and the software. The 2.0 version software that is just out requires a dealer log in, unlike the current version I have. It has been supported and updated along the way as I have used it. I have a feeling the platform I have will eventually not be supported and rendered useless. Just speculation for now, but highly possible.
$800 for you it's almost 2k here luckily I found mine for $370 😁
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That was quick sir! Thanks as always
@@richardflagg3084 with pleasure👍🏻👍🏻
How much would the softer were cost and how do I get it
The kit was around $800ish when I bought it. You'll need a little help from the regional Stihl Tech to get the latest 2.0 software.
@@richardflagg3084 definitely need to get one of those
well i thought i was ready to purchase a new saw, im a fan of the fuel injection, but needing a thousand dollar diagnostic tool and not releasing software is a NO GO for me.....
Stihl, you really fucked this up