For some reason i always visualised kris as a combination of frisk and chara- seeing as how deeply connected they are in undertale with frisk's fall waking chara up, it just feels like a logical step forward to combine the two
I do too. They have the hair color and skin tone of Frisk, as well as their name almost being an anagram of Frisk, just without the F. However Kris isn't a blank slate like Frisk and has Chara's personality and clothing style.
It's funny, when Deltarune first came out I had the same theory that Kris is the Patience soul, but I eventually started to think I was crazy for having considered it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of that possibility, and honestly, I'm a big fan of the concept!
so like how frisk and chara were technically always together, but in deltarune they were changed to be one, kinda like how suzy was changed to be susie??
@@paprus5972 Yes. I think it's not unique trait of humans to have the ability to seal a fountain. I think it's a unique trait of the player. I'm somewhat convinced that monster and human souls function differently in Deltarune then they do in Undertale (mainly that there is no power gap). The difference between monsters and humans was that monsters couldn't hold determination after all, yet Ralsei has to stop Berdly from making a fountain using his determination, implying that monsters DO have determination.
@@TheGlenn8 There has to be something special about Human souls, though, or at minimum the Player's soul, since supposedly Kris (we) are the only one who can seal the Fountains. So either red souls are strong enough to seal fountains because they're red, or because they're human. I'm lead to believe the latter, though, because why would Gaster take an inherently weaker soul and replace it with a stronger (if cursed) one?
@@paprus5972 I think the Red soul can seal the fountain not because it's human but because it belong to the player. ALTERNATIVE: Anyone can seal the fountain but Ralsei only wants Kris to seal it.
@@TheGlenn8 Every soul has determination and the capacity to hold determination. Humans just had a lot more and didn't start melting when they had it.
Y'know, i want us to have our own vessel I want to see kris's personality, be their friend in deltarune Be an ally in their adventure Y'know, know more of them, because they showed so little, but what they showed was so interesting
I think that the red soul of Deltarune is the same red soul of Undertale (that's why the soul turns yellow during Spamton Neo's fight, the soul has memory)
We don't know how human souls and monster souls are different in Deltarune. I'm still of the mind that the many difference between the Deltarune and Undertale universes is that there is no power gap between humans and monsters and that they cannot absorb each other's souls.
Then why can Kris seal fountains but Susie can't? (At least according to Ralsei) clearly human and monster souls still have different properties if nothing else.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox Ralsei didn't want Berdly to make a fountain, implying that Berdly very well could have made a fountain. And since fountains are created with determination that implies that monsters have determination. Monster lacking determination was the primary limiting factor which made them so weak compared to humans. I think it's specifically the PLAYER who has to close the fountain. Which is part of the reason why Kris needs the player.
@@TheGlenn8I didn't say monsters couldn't OPEN a dark fountain, I said only Kris can SEAL them. Ralsei himself says in chapter 1 'we need Kris to seal the dark fountain' which implies that Kris has some special property that allows them to seal dark fountains whereas others can't. I really don't know why you mentioned any of that first part, it's irrelevant to what I was saying. Maybe, Ralsei is probably one of very few characters that knows about the player.. but why is the players vessel a human to begin with? Isn't it a little coincidental that out of all the residents in hometown the soul just so happened to attatch itself to the only human in town, Kris? And that Gaster made a human-like vessel for it as well? All you've done is move the goal post, cause to me now it sounds like humans are the only beings powerful enough to contain red souls which gives humans the unique potential to seal fountains. End result is the same, human souls have different properties.
To me, kris is CHARA. The unused human sprite from undertale IS CHARA WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE because it's exactly like the images in the flashback of the pacifist route. Plus, chara is asriel's sibling and kris is too.
You're probably gonna catch a lot of flak for saying Chara isn't the real name. But you are kinda right. Chara's name is the only name which is changeable in Undertale and thus could be anything. It is therefore reasonable to assume that Chara's name could be different in an alternative universe. Chara's and Kris's physical traits being different can very easily be chalked up to Kris being an older version of Chara who gets more sunlight exposure.
@@subliminaldoomer1966 the reason Chara is referred to as the true name is because it's the denominator for the humans in the game files, both frisk and Chara sprite files have the chara name in them, short for character, it's the "true" name because the player is accepting that this is all a fake game, and the characters are exactly that, just characters
I thought kris was a poc kind of more then just having more sunlight thats silly imo. This is going to be like pink diamond is rose all over again even if its true alot of people are going to notice and call out all the inconsistencies that would have to be ignored for this to happen.
With your Underverse theory, i think it could be an interesting little reference at the end of the game. Gaster could say something about different realities, mention Undertale, and if Toby wants to be really silly Gaster can say something brief that references a popular AU. I don't see it being important to the main plot though. Also since you brought up homestuck, as someone who has read that cursed comic multiple times I'll give you some knowledge. Homestuck has time travel, but it is exceptionally limited because there is only one *correct* timeline. If you tried to go back in time to stop a friend from dying it would look like you succeeded for a bit. But all you did was create what is called a Doomed Timeline. Doomed Timelines eventually collapse in on themselves and everyone inside it dies. What is interesting is that the thing that decides what happens in the real timeline(or the Alpha Timeline as it is called) is narrative relevance. Does a characters death contribute meaningfully to the story? It doesn't? Then it can't be allowed to happen. Does the main character getting bailed out of a tight spot contribute to the story? No? So if anyone tries to do that it will doom the timeline. In homestuck, every single possible choice you make creates an offshoot timeline. Your choices don't matter because if you don't choose *correctly* you will die and some other version of you will choose correctly. Tying this back to Deltarune, i think of a concept like this gets used at all, it's going to be through the Game Over screen. It's been noted that you can die in the Susie vs Lancer fight which is really weird since Susie is the only one who dies. You could view the game over in this scenario as something that happens when the ending becomes impossible. If Lancer beats Susie, she can't free Kris and Ralsei. That makes the ending impossible to reach, so game over and try again. This opens up the potential for Gaster to force a game over to trigger even if no one has died if he feels that we are messing with his experiment too much. This would also mean he is perfectly fine with the Weird Route, at least for now, but i can easily see him intervening if the route goes too far off the rails and forcing us to find a way to circumvent him.
Haven't watched the video yet, but a long time ago I thought of something I like to call Sink theory. So basically, the sinks in the warriors room have some dialogue if you look at both of them: It's a sink if you check one, but when you check the second one it says: "Perhaps there was originally one tall sink that was cut in half to create both of them" so I like to think that Kris is just Frisk and Chara fused together :0 Maybe people thought about this already but idk lol.
5:50 My theory is that Frisk changed their name after running away for "unhappy reasons." A silly anagram is exactly the kind of thing a kid would come up with for a new name. And they had their whole Underground journey to come up with this brilliant anagram because Asriel was the first one to actually ask their name. Kris however grew up with a loving and supportive family, so even though they're a depressed angsty teen, they haven't felt a need to change their name Kris and Frisk are the right ages to be counterparts when compared with the other age differences we see in Deltarune. And their color palettes are the same. So I personally headcannon them as counterparts. I dont think it'll be a huge "plot twist" like you said. I think it'll just be something neat in the background that might get a couple more nods to it, but no major attention as it's not important to the story. Thanks for reading 🙂
My interpretation of scenario B is that Kris' soul was damaged in some way, so our soul was placed in them like a backup generator. That would explain why Kris can function without us but only just barely. They have a soul, but it's very dysfunctional.
6:03 It could also be that Frisk _was_ the name change, but they’re too dead inside in this continuity to give themself a goofy name. Or maybe they grew to view it as childish or stupid. The second one ties into the narrative with the horned headband, as a thing they probably did because they felt like an outsider. Whether they’d adopt Frisk as a “monster name,” or just drop their cool weird name to fit in, there are tons of ways that could tie into the themes of the game.
some points~! 1) I think kris having a counterpart that is one of the fallen humans is indeed the best compromise between kris being their own character and having a counterpart at all. very hard to say at this present time if that would end up mattering, though. 2) Most of the points given for kris having the cyan soul if this is the case seem sound. BUT. There is a completely different, albeit artistic, reason for the darkworld color palettes. Which is simply that everyone's appearance changes to resemble the effects of a BLACKLIGHT. for a dreamlike /dark/ world this choice makes sense, since it gives the illusion of the characters otherwise being immersed in darkness. To get more specific with this: Kris is blue under this visual theme because under UV light human skin turns shades of purple to cyan. You will notice that many of the dark tones in their sprites turn from black to something purple or blue because thats what happens to many dark colors under UV light as well. For the monsters, their colors are actually not becoming merely "lighter" as a whole, but more VIBRANT. which means the white value isnt really the thing increasing, but the strength of each specific hue. the biggest exception is noelle (counting her fur not her dress) but thats still accompanied by her fur becoming PINKER. which is what may happen to that brown when exposed to the blues and purples of a blacklight. other interesting things of note about their appearances being this way is how birdly's armor is "glow in the dark" (you use UV lights to charge that material) and how ralsei's default scarf is called the RED scarf. When you look at his sprite it clearly appears pink with purple shading, but since the item is called red, we have to assume that it only looks that way because of the lighting. Depending on the materials used to pigment a red item, putting it under a UV light can TOTALLY make something with a local color of red APPEAR pink. The first dark world we visit also is heavily colored to appear as under blacklight, though going in the direction of cyberworld and now the sneakpeaks we have of the TV dark world we may continue to stray farther from this base appearance. I mostly explained allllllll of that because i think its cool. But yea essentially there is already an aesthetic reason our characters are colored this way. now, the reasons for these artistic choices could be TWOFOLD and convey multiple things like kris's true soul color. but we are not lacking a reason if this doesnt turn out to be the case. 3) Slight context for homestuck: its not really true all AUs exist in homestuck. there is a multiverse/multi-timeline thing going on with the story, and its very relevant to the story. but a big part of that is many worlds and timelines dying in an existential horror kinda way. BUT. when it comes to post-ending stuff kinda anything goes there in a meta-story way. thats just not part of the main canon story of the actual homestuck comic. All that said i think yeah obviously there are multiple timelines AND universes in the UT/DT scenario. we're seeing that just from both games existing, and also yeah the save files (there are minor differences per save slot for example.) The biggest question we all gotta contend with is how relevantly thats gonna factor into the main story. (i like to think we are actually gonna have to do something funky with the save slots and therefore timelines)
Kris's name could very easily be revealed to be an anagram of Frisk, all they'd need to do is say that they have F as their middle initial. "Kris F. Dreemurr" is an anagram of Frisk Dreemurr. It'd be a good way to do the reveal as well I think, all someone would need to do is say Kris' full name at some point.
Kris is Chara counterpart or some other child and soul (You) is Frisk. Kris somehow ended with red soul of determination, one frisk had. Unless that soul did not belong to frisk too, we playing as frisk or counterpart is extremely likely.
Now when i think about it, kris using They/Them might not be just some pronounce shinanignce, but true statement, hinting there is not only Kris, but also the soul, two entities and thus plural makes sense. I think Toby somewhere said there are no LGBTQ motives in a game.
Now as a big Kris=Frisk head I'm gonna give my thoughts on why i like that idea. First with how it could be revealed, if this did turn out to be the case i don't think it would be revealed directly(that's honestly how i feel about all the options). Instead, i think it might be offhandedly mentioned that Kris changed their name at some point. Outside of this very specific mystery, this would also further drive in the implication that Kris is nonbinary(which i do believe is an important part of their character when examining this story). It would still leave things ambiguous on who they were in Undertale, but i think that's a good thing. It gives us stuff to think about even after the game is all over. But the biggest reason i like Kris being Frisk is because Frisk didn't have much characterization at all in Undertale, and if Kris and Frisk are the same person just in different circumstances that would contextualize Frisk as a character
Common mistake I need to point out. Frisk is not non-binary, Kris however is. Frisk (and Chara's) gender was left intentionally ambiguous so the player can project onto them. Toby has said on a few occasions that using male/female pronouns for Frisk and Chara is perfectly fine. Toby has however gone out of his way to correct people who use he/him pronouns for Kris making the intent of them being non-binary very deliberate. So I don't think the use of they/them pronouns for Frisk really means a whole lot in regards to them being Kris since Chara also uses they/them pronouns and so would most if not all of the fallen children if they were to appear on screen. I personally subscribe to the Charkis theory that Kris isn't supposed to be Chara or Frisk but an amalgamation between the two. Although this video has given me somewhat of an appreciation of Cyan Kris theory..
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox yeah I know Frisk is much more ambiguous, that was never really evidence I was using. Actual evidence I would use is the two of them having identical skin tones, and Monster Kid being aged up in a way that would suggest Frisk would probably be around Kris' age in Deltarune. With Frisk, I don't really want to know more about their gender situation. My personal headcanon is that the monsters used neutral terms to be polite, Frisk physically couldn't correct anyone since they were being possesed, but as their adventure went on they realized that they liked it. So after the Pacifist ending they decided to change their name and embrace that identity. But, I also don't want that random headcanon to be confirmed. I like the ambiguity with Frisk. Even if Frisk and Kris end up being equivalent counterparts, who knows how different their lives might've ended up. Frisk could've ended up feeling happy with their agab, or maybe even transitioned along the binary. Honestly, I think it's very likely we won't have Kris' undertale half confirmed outright no matter what the answer is. The only way I see us getting a concrete answer is if Kris has their own soul and it is a different color. That would be really cool too
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox This whole "Frisk's gender was left intentionally ambiguous" thing is absolutely made up and toby never confirmed it by the way. It only shows up on an interview. Where they ask if frisk's gender is ambiguous and toby chooses to skip the question, as he did to many other out-of-nowhere questions in that interview.
@@sthwrth3250cool, but Frisk is still not non-binary. If they were, Toby would have said so. Like he's done for Kris. So the fact that there's a difference in how Frisk and Kris are handled to me means that Frisk is not non-binary and their gender is just meant to be ambiguous whereas Kris' isn't meant to be ambiguous. I don't see a reason why Toby would he quiet and skip the question for Frisk if he's very open about it for Kris. So congratulations, in attempting to prove me wrong you accidentally just gave me a source.
@@CalamitasCalliopeFrisk and Monster kid wouldn't be born yet in Deltarune if we're sticking to the UT timeline. Cause Asriel is college age in DR (so about 20ish), Chara fell in 20XX, Frisk fell a long time after Chara. We don't know how long exactly but it's been long enough that Gerson went from a soldier fighting on the frontlines against humanity during the war, to a slightly eccentric eldery hermit who lives in a swamp. So it's likely at LEAST a 50 year difference between Chara and Frisk. Even if we assume Boss Monsters age at half the normal rate compared to humans Asriel would still have a PHD by the time Frisk is Kris' age. You can't pick and choose what characters ages you want to acknowledge when setting up a timeline. Your timeline does work out if we assume Kris is the Cyan soul but unless Boss Monsters age slightly faster than humans it couldn't be Chara and unless Boss Monsters age significantly slower than human it couldn't be Frisk. More than likely the UT timeline is completely unrelated to DR.
my silly theory is that kris is chara and frisk merged into one being, frisk controls the soul and chara the body, the reason kris didnt die when ripping his soul off on ch1 was because chara was still in hos body therefore not allowing him to die, also after kris rips his soul off he does a creepy smile and his left eye glows red, just like chara does in the end of the pacifist post genocide route
Oh my gosh, if you'r claim about soul colors affecting how you look in dark world is true, don't forgets lyric "there's a light inside your soul" becomes very clever.
Colors on characters in dark worlds have lighter tint (susie, noelle). Charas colors are lighter than Kris'. God damn it, the undertale is a dark world theory strikes again.
I think that the most likely person for Kris is a counterpart of Chara, and if that’s the case, I actually have an idea for who could be a counterpart for Frisk. I think that the counterpart for Frisk is actually Dess Holiday. As far as I could find, there isn’t any direct confirmation that Dess is a monster, and since we don’t know what Dess looks like, she could potentially be an adopted human like Kris. If this were the case, it would be very easy to do a big reveal in a later chapter where we finally find Dess, and find that she’s wearing similar clothes to Frisk, similar to how Kris is wearing clothes similar to Chara, helping confirm their connection.
Yes and no, Dess is indirectly mentioned to exist in UT by Asgore as well as Sans I believe in the Alarm Clock app. Sans referrs to her and Noelle as 'the antlered girl and the non-antlered girl' I believe, which is why most fan interpretations of Dess has her lacking antlers. Why mention this? If Dess exists in UT.. if she were human and was known about by Asgore (which given how close Rudy and he are, is very unlikely Asgore wouldn't find out eventually), she'd be dead and Rudy and Asgore wouldn't be such great friends anymore. So unless Toby is doing a complete race swap (which is very unlike him) more than likely Dess is a also a Deer but doesn't have antlers. I admit this is a pretty shakey argument so I'll go ahead and point out the chief flaw. Noelle and Dess are never mentioned by name, just by physical characteristics and being Rudy's daughters. So we have no real idea if Noelle and Dess are exactly as they are in UT.
I think Sans refers to them as “the antlered girl and her big sis” Plus, since it’s very possible that Sans is from the Deltarune universe, he could be referring to the Noelle and Dess from the Deltarune universe instead of the Noelle from the Undertale universe.
@@_C3_Cal Probably, but I think that was just supposed to be a reference to that specific character in Deltarune. He's hat is in Sans and Papyrus's house, it doesn't make any sense that is in there.
I think that chara's hair color is merely a palette thing, thus might be the same as kris's. as for the skin tone, we're basing this off of the demon version of chara, so maybe the actual child had yellow skin like kris and frisk, and the demon version is white to invoke themes of colonialism and stuff.
The idea that the Darkworld designs are just reflections of their souls is further backed up by the fact Monsters souls are one with their bodies. It makes sense their darkworld forms would just be lighter colors of their normal bodies, because a Monsters body IS their Soul. Killing the body is the same as destroying the Soul. Humans on the other hand are different. We have physical bodies, so the souls arent quite as linked.
I dont think its more possible then any of the other optjons, but possibly the courage soul? The only real evidence being the game over theme faint courage, which is more strongly associated with kris than any other characters. This mainly exists to explain faint courage, but like, there must be some reason its not called faint determination or power.
It is the "bravery" SOUL, not courage. The word courage is, however, used in deltarune: it is the special ACT Kris can do in the chapter final boss battles.
My one question that never gets addressed when talking about Kris his soul and souls in Deltarune is the following: Do the souls we know from Undertale even exist here besides the red soul? Now, let me explain my thought process. As I understand it monster souls in Undertale quite literally make up their entire being. That's why attacks with malicious intent hurt them so much. You refuse and attack their entire being on a non physical layer. But monsters being this way also lets them wield magic quite casually. On the other side human mages existed in undertale but were probably quite rare as humans being more physical makes them more detached from their metaphysical side. This also made their souls so resilient. In Undertale human souls probably have more substance to be able to persist and work with a more physical intelligent being. And now to Deltarune. In Deltarune monsters apparently DON'T wield magic. For them it is fantasy. If magic comes from accessing your soul and will as a power source and monsters can't use it even though in Undertale it is as natural as breathing for us.... Are they the same in Deltarune's world? And if not, do humans still have these resilient colourful heart shaped souls or is the soul we control entirely foreign to the world of Deltarune or something that looks similar to the souls from Undertale but something entirely different, maybe even artificial? If this red shaped heart is not Kris's soul it might be, that removing it makes him stumble so much and ends with him putting him back in, because it being linked to Kris has resulted in a change to the body or an operation on the body was what made Kris compatible with it to begin with. The red heart being hit in the dark world damaging someone else in your party besides Kris makes not really a lot of sense if it is just Kris's soul we are controlling like a puppet. Maybe I am forgetting an obvious fact that nobody mentions, because it is so obvious. But it seems like a lot is being assumed about souls in Deltarune out of habit from Undertale.
You're.. potentially wrong. I'm not going to go too in depth here because I admit it's a pretty shakey argument.. but Catti does mention trying to learn magic with Kris at some point, and Kris' room in the Queens manor also indicates that this is something Kris is very passionate about. AND it could be argued that creating a dark fountain in the first place (which we see Kris do at the end of chapter 2) is magic in its purest form, sinxe you are literally forcing your will into the ground and creating a new world from it. As for why characters such as Toriel don't use magic in DR, she's religious here. Oftentimes witchcraft/magic is seen as very taboo in rural religious areas like hometown. So it's reasonable that while magic could exist in the light world monsters in town don't want to use it for religious reasons/just not knowing how. Also if you're going to bring up Noelle saying she wishes she knew how to use magic in the real world. Look at it again, she specifies she wishes she knew HEALING magic in the real world. It makes no statement on her having access to other types of magic, just that she can't heal in the real world which might still leave the door open for healing magic existing in the light world, Noelle just doesn't have access to it for one reason or another.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox To me all these mentions of magic sound to me like how we talk about it. Someone who is into the occult wants to learn it with a friend or they share rituals that do nothing. A kid with a sick parent wants some magic miracle magic to fix their loved ones.... These don't read like stuff someone who can just use magic naturally would say to me.
@@GreyVictory1510whereas to me, it sounds exactly what someone would say if magic was real but was either taboo or very hard to come by. It's like a kid saying they want to grow up and be a doctor so they can help a sick relative, does that mean doctors don't exist? Also you completely ignored the only unarguable use of magic in DR, Kris creating the Dark Fountain. Neat.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox We don't know what Dark fountains are. We only know that Queen speculates that someone with enough determination can make one. So for now we actually have no real connection between dark fountains and magic. Even if Kris, a human (species that normally can't use magic), used magic to open it. He is also the one special person we know of with a giant floating red heart.
6:03 I interpreted it as Kris being named by Toriel and Asgore. Plus, the name Kris is Frisk without the F and jumbled up, and Suzy is Susie, so I don't see why their name couldn't have changed in between universes. Different, but similar enough to mean the same person.
Theory: Kris’s soul is their own, but the soul was tied to the player, thus that’s why Kris needs their soul and we think that it’s ours using it to our avail but as soon as we’re done with our vessel it’s taken away.
Personally, I think Kris is Frisk, but the theory I like best is that Kris has a cyan soul/is the cyan soul human from UT. My personal reason is such: obviously the dark world skin colour thing, the contrast between red and cyan is large, making it easier to tell which soul is which(assuming we see both souls) and finally, cyan represents Patience. Would you not call enduring something else controlling your body most of the time, being a puppet, patient? They have to wait for control of their own body, and have to keep relinquishing their free will, for some reason. They are obviously planning something, we don’t know what yet, but whatever it is, the patience they show is undeniable.
For me Kris could be a person with both Frisk and the first human (Chara) main characteristics combined in a brand new character. They are similar to Frisk in the sense that both of them are the main character of the game, in the sense that they both fulfil a similar role in relation to us, and they are similar to Chara in how they dress, some personality traits and they are the adopted child of the Dreemurs. This mix could be the reason Kris is the only incomplete anagram we have of the counterparts of Undertale. Kris is like a Frisk with the story, personality and background of Chara, but without the metanarrative elements that Chara represented (stats increasing, the demon, that feeling etc...) because those concepts don't make much sense for me for Kris as a character. For me this is intentional from Toby. Toby wants us to relate Kris to Chara a lot, in imaginery they are very very similar to mislead us, why he wants us to see this similarities? WHO knows?? In the case of Frisk, we know so barely about them that is hard to say yes or no to them being exactly Kris... So they could totally be a version of Frisk with the background of Chara. This is the theory I believe the most. Buuut about cyan the soul, I found your thoughts very VERY interesting. I always thought about the theory that our soul and Kris's could be combined, but the thing of Gaster keeping their soul could make sense. The theory of cyan soul is very cool! I honestly never thought about it. I would like it if this becomes canon.
8:19 in chapter 1 lancer and Susie says that they’re getting reversed tans. That the dark fountain releases darkness flares and make your skin lighter instead of darker .
as for the Multiverse thing, i think that the only big connection that is between Undertale and Deltarune is US, the player, like, since we know stuff from UT as we played it beforehand, we know how this universe is like, and our interaction with DT brings us with things that only we know, and a hint of that is Sans, as we Welcome Sans saying "I'ts good to see you again" he responds that it's good to see us too, even if DT Sans never met us before and this is the first time Sans even see Us and Kris.
The Patience Soul might be hinted at in game quite a lot actually Each character, in fact, has different colours associated with them. Noelle is Yellow, Susie is Purple, Ralsei is Green. Berdly is noted to be Blue less directly. And Kris is Aqua. You can see this in a variety of places - if you use Lancer, you will see the different-coloured bars show up under the characters. Their portraits in-battle are shown in each colour. And sometimes the relationships with a colour is just stated directly, such as Susie being repeatedly noted to be purple. So the question is like... Is this supposed to imply parity with the fallen human children in Undertale? Is Berdly associated with Integrity, Ralsei with Kindness, Noelle with Justice, etc? They are monsters - but this is a different universe, and the rules may be different too. Toby fox stated somewhere that he was considering making all the Light World characters human, but that it would be weirder to have a Human Toriel than just have monsters in a magic-lite setting. But on the other hand, them being the same colour does not mean they are intended to be the same people either - they might just embody the same virtues, or be vague parallels. This is most obvious with Berdly, who learns to be truthful - to have integrity - but has nothing to do with tutus or ballet. I guess I do think Kris is the patience soul... But I don't think they are inherently the SAME patience soul, if that makes sense.
I love this a lot, especially with Noelle being justice. She’s CONSTANTLY looking for justice for Dess’ disappearance and Rudy’s illness. I also really really love the idea of Susie being trust. That’s her whole character arc so far, learning to trust people and let them in. I like this approach a lot!! I don’t know about this because when we control Susie in Chapter One we’re still a red soul, but probably thats because the player is the red soul which lines up with Undertale and idea very well.
@@LevGreen-Wells It might be worth considering the Ball Game's red flag: "Bravery. Justice. Integrity. Kindness. Perseverance. Patience. Using these, you were able to win at "Ball Game." So like, the red colouration uses a lot of the other's traits. That might be the play - We are red, all our party members are the other soul colours. Well, perhaps, haha.
I think it also makes sense for kris to be patience above the other souls because kris is patient with letting the soul control them until they find a moment to slip away, and i dont think the other souls wud fit them in a similar way, like all the other souls could only be applied to when we are controlling them.
Ok, so one option you didn't mention is that Kris is a counterpart to Frisk _and_ Chara. After all, during the plot of Undertale they kind of act as parts of the same character to some extent
Im pretty sure this was toby's thought process ngl (obviously Deltarune as a story was imagined before UT, but the development of the game itself didn't start until after) Kris is literally a mashup of Chara's personality/clothing and Frisk's skin tone/hair color/position in the story. Deltarune itself uses callbacks and parallels to undertale to add on to its own characters.
Ive had the dark world soul color theory in my head for ages and i was sitting there hoping you wouldnt say it because now it'll seem like i stole the idea
My theory is that, while Kris isn’t a character we know from UT, they’re related to one the humans we’ve met in some way (like maybe a parent or sibling. Another possibility could also be that Toby made Frisk and Chara from the idea of Kris since he would’ve came up with Kris first. Regarding the Soul, I have an interesting theory. Perhaps Souls don’t really exist in the same as UT in DR. Like the red Soul we control is the only we know exists in DR and it’s pretty strange. No other party members have their own Souls that show when dodging bullets (overworld bullets and in-battle bullets) even if Kris is taken out. Kris can move around without their Soul (which should be impossible with UT logic). At the very least, I think human Souls work a differently to UT. Monsters probably still have Souls since they can use magic, are probably still composed of magic and have forms that seem impossible without magic Also good analysis on who Kris and the Soul might be
This is true except for when Susie fights Lancer in Chapter One, her heart is red. I think that’s because the player’s heart is red, we were controlling Susie. No clue what monster souls look like in this game, at least not yet
To add to your Kris is cyan theory, I would like to mention that the only soul trait mentioned in Gaster's valentine letter is patience. This could mean that it is addressed to the patient human, maybe even Kris themselves. It is possible that Gaster is communicating with Kris, due to the garbage noise coming through the receiver. I DO NOT subscribe to the Kris is cyan theory, as I find the evidence for Kris is Frisk to be very compelling. I thought of the letter as soon as you mentioned the cyan soul. I love your videos. thank you very much for creating. I know I am late to the party, but at least hopefully you can use that as a means to boost your own ideas.
I personally believe that Kris is not Frisk or Chara but BOTH. Kris' hair and skin color are very close to Frisk's, while personality-wise, it's all Chara. Well up until recently at least. I don't know if it's Frisk's body with Chara inside or if, despite the differences, it's Chara's body with Frisk inside but either way, they're both in there. The soul is Frisk's, and Frisk is in control of the body in Deltarune. Before that, it was Chara, that's why everyone talks about Kris having Chara's tastes. But characters like Noelle notice that Kris is a lot more talkative recently. And in the Dark World, Kris has Frisk's blue and pink color scheme, and their bed in Castle Town is blue with pink stripes. Also, Kris is a charismatic leader in the Dark World, which is more like the way Frisk acts than Chara or Kris. I do believe Kris to be Chara's real name since Chara is just short for Character. And when Kris rips the soul out, it's Chara who's in control. I think that because of the similarities between the end of Chapter 1 and Undertale's Soulless Pacifist ending.
For real, this is what I basically thought. It also explains why Kris's whole motivations seem contradictive at times. For example: telling Undyne in both chapters about Dark World's existence and how dangerous it is, only to make another one in THEIR OWN HOUSE out of any other places.... that feels like an extremely wtf moment to me and I feel like more people should question that.
Doubt you'll see this. But i have my own theory similar to option B. Gaster when he made the connection with us actually pulled our own soul into the game. Then took kris's soul and repleced it with us. Why? Because in the normal DR timeline without us kris was the night and would bring about the roaring.
About the Soul, what if it's something like this: * Gaster used Kris' Soul to make a connection with the world above them, which is our PC via the Survey Program. Originally intended to use it into a Vessel that would Act as a representation and enbodiment of our likeness (the sprites colored based on our answers in the Non-Physical questions) but someone interrupts the connection with the Vessel and the Soul was returned to Kris. (and after Ralsei bring the Soul a purpose, the deal was seal with Kris' body, those explaining also why the Legend now appears in the intro of Chapter 2 and why the Menu changed to the Legend Themed)
also, i'd like to think that, if Kris' Soul is Patience, then the Connection Gaster made with Kris' Soul, made their color Change to Red as it bring us the Power of Determination, the Power of Will that brings Light into the world, like King said, we're a Lightbringer.
Honestly I think they are a combination of both. Kris has Frisk's hair color and skin tone, as well as "Kris" almost being an anagram of "Frisk." However, unlike Frisk, Kris has Chara's personality and wears a green and yellow sweater. Chara and Frisk were always seen as counterparts in Undertale, so I feel Deltarune decided to combine the two into one
My big brain theory: Undertale is a recurring fantasy of DT Kris loosely based on DT Asriel's game. In this case, this is a frequently recurring thing with all the routes, and AU'S being different variations of that fantasy. In that sense Kris is Chara AND Frisk. Chara symbolizing Kris letting their dark subconscious take over and Frisk standing in as a younger, idealized version of themself. Hell you can even rearrange Frisk's name into "F Kris".
4:05 counter argument When u name urself chara it says the true name and since ur name at the start is charas or whatever they are then chara is the true name for the child Also i think we control kris's soul and kris is a mix between frisk and chara (even with the jaundice from frisk) Edit: or its just kris and no counterpart
as for who might Kris be in counterpart of Undertale: I'd say Kris is the embodiment representation of both Chara and Frisk, they both share big factors to Kris, like what you mentioned with Chara's personality. and if this isn't enough, if we took the CH and RIS from Chara and Frisk we get Chris, which is another name for Kris. it's like their own beind but based on those 2.
Kris’ soul could be any color, seeing as Toby has confirmed that the red soul isn’t a soul trait, but a trait of being possessed by the player. No I have no idea what that means for Chara.
Kris' soul being Patience (Cyan) seems logically sensible, even rock-solid. Kris is certainly forced to exercise a sizeable amount of patience by h̶i̶s̶ their unique circumstance.
Hmm, a thought i had watching this i don't think I've heard any real discussion about: Why aren't there more humans in delatrune? In undertale it made sense with the monsters banished underground and the humans on the surface having largely forgotten them that only occasionally would a lone human stumble through, but with the monsters on the surface you'd expect to see at least a few more... Even if monster and human societies are largely segregated in some way, under what circumstances did a _single_ human end up living in an all-monster town, and an an adopted child at that? It's one thing if an adult human decided to buck the norms and move into a monster town, but if monsters and humans are so segregated there isn't a single adult human living in this town it seems highly unlikely humans would willingly or intentionally put a child up for monster adoption, at least not without some specific reason 🤔
Kris and chara has alot of similarities but they have alot of differences too like 1. kris is an outcast in the monster town while chara was loved by all the monsters in the underground. 2. Kris is quiet and reserved while chara seemed more outgoing 3. Asriel is way older then kris while asriel seem to be the same age as chara in undertale and it seems like the counterparts keep the same age they were in undertale ( if asriel was still alive in undertale he would be older). 4. To be fair this more of a headcanon but to me kris is Poc while chara is Caucasian which if true is a huge dent in this theory Kris have some similarities with frisk doesn’t mean their the same character. So kris is definitely a new character to me anyways.
Kris and Frisk share the same exact skin and hair color, the same bored expression, in UT Clam Girl says Frisk would be besties with Suzy and in DR Kris is besties with Susie, heck, Kris is literally Frisk without the F (btw i have no Idea where you pulled the deadname thing from) I don't understand why there's a discussion around this, Kris is clearly Frisk.
(I enjoyed the video and its still fun to think about this) but tbh I think this is the EXACT subject Toby had in mind when telling us to not think too hard about its relation to Undertale and enjoy it for what it is. Undertale can be looked to for thematic parallels but drawing exact connections and using them to theorize is probably exactly what is not meant to happen. Again still a fun video those are just my thoughts
Interesting Theories you have. I assumed that SOULs simply work differently in Deltarune, but the idea that Gaster took Kris’ SOUL and either did something to it or replaced it, is also compelling. Also about a few things you said about Chara 1. Their canon name is “Chara”, since when you type in “Chara” for “Name the Fallen Human”, it responds with “The true name”, and digging through the game files “Chara” is the default name if no name was given, Name=“Chara” 2. Chara died from eating buttercups, and as far as I know that doesn’t really cause “Vitamin D-Deficiency”, Chara could just light skinned in Undertale. 3. I don’t think the notion that Kris shouldn’t be Chara’s equivalent because they “bring a lot of baggage” really matters, since this is an alternate universe where various events in Undertale never happened. There was no buttercup plan, so no dead kids. Asgore and Toriel still divorce, it’s just now for a different reason, probably not involving Kris. Kris doesn’t even need to be Deltarune Chara, to “have some baggage”. In my opinion, I think Kris is a unique case, where instead of representing one character, they’re essentially what if Frisk and Chara were the same person. That’s why Kris’ name and skin tone is similar to Frisk, but everything else about them is more like Chara.
Regarding Chara's death: it is heavily implied that Chara died because it poisoned itself with buttercups, a poisonous plant. This is revealed by the True Lab video tapes.
Kris is obviously grillbys. Kris didn’t appear in undertale, and grillbys was missing in deltarune. The proof is undeniable!
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You spelled it Grillbys so I have to assume you're talking about the establishment not the person in which case I completely agree
So the Wrong number person who is Spamton (trust me, Tony Forx told me) was indeed trying to contact Kris aka Grillbys CONFIRMED 😳😳😳
@@initials_vz there’s a different spelling between the 2?
@@SullyTheLightnerd Grillby's is the diner ran by Grillby but I'm just nitpicking
For some reason i always visualised kris as a combination of frisk and chara- seeing as how deeply connected they are in undertale with frisk's fall waking chara up, it just feels like a logical step forward to combine the two
I'm going with the easy solution and its that one unused beta reflection
I do too. They have the hair color and skin tone of Frisk, as well as their name almost being an anagram of Frisk, just without the F. However Kris isn't a blank slate like Frisk and has Chara's personality and clothing style.
I like to joke that Deltarune is Toby's official Undertale AU.
That's not even a joke tho, it's just the truth if Toby himself is to be believed
undertale is a deltarune au
Toby created Deltarune's story before Undertale released, so I think it's opposite
Isn’t Undertale technically Deltarune’s AU tho?
Well from the looks of it Undertale is an AU of Deltarube
It's funny, when Deltarune first came out I had the same theory that Kris is the Patience soul, but I eventually started to think I was crazy for having considered it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of that possibility, and honestly, I'm a big fan of the concept!
Same here dude
There was a theory video (the video got deleted) that discussing kris is the patience soul
I believe that kris is the combination of chara and frisk
so like how frisk and chara were technically always together, but in deltarune they were changed to be one, kinda like how suzy was changed to be susie??
Alternatively, in scenario B it could be that Kris puts our soul back because they need our soul for some unspecified reason.
Such as sealing a Dark Fountain.
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Yes. I think it's not unique trait of humans to have the ability to seal a fountain. I think it's a unique trait of the player.
I'm somewhat convinced that monster and human souls function differently in Deltarune then they do in Undertale (mainly that there is no power gap). The difference between monsters and humans was that monsters couldn't hold determination after all, yet Ralsei has to stop Berdly from making a fountain using his determination, implying that monsters DO have determination.
@@TheGlenn8 There has to be something special about Human souls, though, or at minimum the Player's soul, since supposedly Kris (we) are the only one who can seal the Fountains. So either red souls are strong enough to seal fountains because they're red, or because they're human. I'm lead to believe the latter, though, because why would Gaster take an inherently weaker soul and replace it with a stronger (if cursed) one?
@@paprus5972 I think the Red soul can seal the fountain not because it's human but because it belong to the player.
ALTERNATIVE: Anyone can seal the fountain but Ralsei only wants Kris to seal it.
@@TheGlenn8 Every soul has determination and the capacity to hold determination. Humans just had a lot more and didn't start melting when they had it.
Y'know, i want us to have our own vessel
I want to see kris's personality, be their friend in deltarune
Be an ally in their adventure
Y'know, know more of them, because they showed so little, but what they showed was so interesting
my theory is that kris is british
The twist villain trope is a bit over done tho
@@SullyTheLightnerdlmao
No need to use slurs
NOOOO! NOT BRITISH! PLEASE
Kris is 1 tea spoon of chara + 1 tea spoon of frisk
I think that the red soul of Deltarune is the same red soul of Undertale (that's why the soul turns yellow during Spamton Neo's fight, the soul has memory)
We don't know how human souls and monster souls are different in Deltarune. I'm still of the mind that the many difference between the Deltarune and Undertale universes is that there is no power gap between humans and monsters and that they cannot absorb each other's souls.
Then why can Kris seal fountains but Susie can't? (At least according to Ralsei) clearly human and monster souls still have different properties if nothing else.
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Ralsei didn't want Berdly to make a fountain, implying that Berdly very well could have made a fountain. And since fountains are created with determination that implies that monsters have determination. Monster lacking determination was the primary limiting factor which made them so weak compared to humans.
I think it's specifically the PLAYER who has to close the fountain. Which is part of the reason why Kris needs the player.
@@TheGlenn8I didn't say monsters couldn't OPEN a dark fountain, I said only Kris can SEAL them. Ralsei himself says in chapter 1 'we need Kris to seal the dark fountain' which implies that Kris has some special property that allows them to seal dark fountains whereas others can't. I really don't know why you mentioned any of that first part, it's irrelevant to what I was saying.
Maybe, Ralsei is probably one of very few characters that knows about the player.. but why is the players vessel a human to begin with? Isn't it a little coincidental that out of all the residents in hometown the soul just so happened to attatch itself to the only human in town, Kris? And that Gaster made a human-like vessel for it as well? All you've done is move the goal post, cause to me now it sounds like humans are the only beings powerful enough to contain red souls which gives humans the unique potential to seal fountains. End result is the same, human souls have different properties.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Foxit could be similar to the act.the others could do it but for aome reaosn rasei only kris to do it
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox It's not Kris. It's _us_
To me, kris is CHARA. The unused human sprite from undertale IS CHARA WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE because it's exactly like the images in the flashback of the pacifist route. Plus, chara is asriel's sibling and kris is too.
You're probably gonna catch a lot of flak for saying Chara isn't the real name. But you are kinda right. Chara's name is the only name which is changeable in Undertale and thus could be anything. It is therefore reasonable to assume that Chara's name could be different in an alternative universe.
Chara's and Kris's physical traits being different can very easily be chalked up to Kris being an older version of Chara who gets more sunlight exposure.
In all fairness, inputting Chara results in “The true name” text appearing, so it’s all up in the air.
@@subliminaldoomer1966with these games that as canon as your gonna get without them directly telling you that like with frisk
@@subliminaldoomer1966 the reason Chara is referred to as the true name is because it's the denominator for the humans in the game files, both frisk and Chara sprite files have the chara name in them, short for character, it's the "true" name because the player is accepting that this is all a fake game, and the characters are exactly that, just characters
I thought kris was a poc kind of more then just having more sunlight thats silly imo. This is going to be like pink diamond is rose all over again even if its true alot of people are going to notice and call out all the inconsistencies that would have to be ignored for this to happen.
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Fun fact. It's not just Caucasians who get darker skin from sunlight exposure.
12:30 There are three slots for each of the universes Undertale, Deltarune, and Nut Dealer
We did know there was anagram for Undertale/Deltarune that was Nut Dealer/Nut Leader.
With your Underverse theory, i think it could be an interesting little reference at the end of the game. Gaster could say something about different realities, mention Undertale, and if Toby wants to be really silly Gaster can say something brief that references a popular AU. I don't see it being important to the main plot though.
Also since you brought up homestuck, as someone who has read that cursed comic multiple times I'll give you some knowledge.
Homestuck has time travel, but it is exceptionally limited because there is only one *correct* timeline. If you tried to go back in time to stop a friend from dying it would look like you succeeded for a bit. But all you did was create what is called a Doomed Timeline. Doomed Timelines eventually collapse in on themselves and everyone inside it dies.
What is interesting is that the thing that decides what happens in the real timeline(or the Alpha Timeline as it is called) is narrative relevance. Does a characters death contribute meaningfully to the story? It doesn't? Then it can't be allowed to happen. Does the main character getting bailed out of a tight spot contribute to the story? No? So if anyone tries to do that it will doom the timeline.
In homestuck, every single possible choice you make creates an offshoot timeline. Your choices don't matter because if you don't choose *correctly* you will die and some other version of you will choose correctly.
Tying this back to Deltarune, i think of a concept like this gets used at all, it's going to be through the Game Over screen. It's been noted that you can die in the Susie vs Lancer fight which is really weird since Susie is the only one who dies. You could view the game over in this scenario as something that happens when the ending becomes impossible. If Lancer beats Susie, she can't free Kris and Ralsei. That makes the ending impossible to reach, so game over and try again. This opens up the potential for Gaster to force a game over to trigger even if no one has died if he feels that we are messing with his experiment too much. This would also mean he is perfectly fine with the Weird Route, at least for now, but i can easily see him intervening if the route goes too far off the rails and forcing us to find a way to circumvent him.
10:30 I never thought I would see people with the same theory as mine. I had this thought that the soul affects the color in the dark world
Like SullyTheLegend said,
Have you ever seen kris and Grillby in the same room? 🤫
Or maybe Frisk having different parents led to them having a different name.
Haven't watched the video yet, but a long time ago I thought of something I like to call Sink theory. So basically, the sinks in the warriors room have some dialogue if you look at both of them: It's a sink if you check one, but when you check the second one it says: "Perhaps there was originally one tall sink that was cut in half to create both of them" so I like to think that Kris is just Frisk and Chara fused together :0 Maybe people thought about this already but idk lol.
5:50 My theory is that Frisk changed their name after running away for "unhappy reasons." A silly anagram is exactly the kind of thing a kid would come up with for a new name. And they had their whole Underground journey to come up with this brilliant anagram because Asriel was the first one to actually ask their name.
Kris however grew up with a loving and supportive family, so even though they're a depressed angsty teen, they haven't felt a need to change their name
Kris and Frisk are the right ages to be counterparts when compared with the other age differences we see in Deltarune. And their color palettes are the same. So I personally headcannon them as counterparts. I dont think it'll be a huge "plot twist" like you said. I think it'll just be something neat in the background that might get a couple more nods to it, but no major attention as it's not important to the story.
Thanks for reading 🙂
My interpretation of scenario B is that Kris' soul was damaged in some way, so our soul was placed in them like a backup generator. That would explain why Kris can function without us but only just barely. They have a soul, but it's very dysfunctional.
Recommending people to play YIIK, how could you you monster
possible scenario B is that in the process of putting our soul into kris, their original soul was lost.
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It could also be that Frisk _was_ the name change, but they’re too dead inside in this continuity to give themself a goofy name. Or maybe they grew to view it as childish or stupid. The second one ties into the narrative with the horned headband, as a thing they probably did because they felt like an outsider. Whether they’d adopt Frisk as a “monster name,” or just drop their cool weird name to fit in, there are tons of ways that could tie into the themes of the game.
I actually think option 4 would be very interesting.
very very interesting
I just want to point out that in the king fight Kris can use courage which is very similar to bravery
I love Corridors of Time.
some points~!
1) I think kris having a counterpart that is one of the fallen humans is indeed the best compromise between kris being their own character and having a counterpart at all. very hard to say at this present time if that would end up mattering, though.
2) Most of the points given for kris having the cyan soul if this is the case seem sound. BUT. There is a completely different, albeit artistic, reason for the darkworld color palettes. Which is simply that everyone's appearance changes to resemble the effects of a BLACKLIGHT. for a dreamlike /dark/ world this choice makes sense, since it gives the illusion of the characters otherwise being immersed in darkness.
To get more specific with this: Kris is blue under this visual theme because under UV light human skin turns shades of purple to cyan. You will notice that many of the dark tones in their sprites turn from black to something purple or blue because thats what happens to many dark colors under UV light as well. For the monsters, their colors are actually not becoming merely "lighter" as a whole, but more VIBRANT. which means the white value isnt really the thing increasing, but the strength of each specific hue. the biggest exception is noelle (counting her fur not her dress) but thats still accompanied by her fur becoming PINKER. which is what may happen to that brown when exposed to the blues and purples of a blacklight. other interesting things of note about their appearances being this way is how birdly's armor is "glow in the dark" (you use UV lights to charge that material) and how ralsei's default scarf is called the RED scarf. When you look at his sprite it clearly appears pink with purple shading, but since the item is called red, we have to assume that it only looks that way because of the lighting. Depending on the materials used to pigment a red item, putting it under a UV light can TOTALLY make something with a local color of red APPEAR pink. The first dark world we visit also is heavily colored to appear as under blacklight, though going in the direction of cyberworld and now the sneakpeaks we have of the TV dark world we may continue to stray farther from this base appearance.
I mostly explained allllllll of that because i think its cool. But yea essentially there is already an aesthetic reason our characters are colored this way. now, the reasons for these artistic choices could be TWOFOLD and convey multiple things like kris's true soul color. but we are not lacking a reason if this doesnt turn out to be the case.
3) Slight context for homestuck: its not really true all AUs exist in homestuck. there is a multiverse/multi-timeline thing going on with the story, and its very relevant to the story. but a big part of that is many worlds and timelines dying in an existential horror kinda way. BUT. when it comes to post-ending stuff kinda anything goes there in a meta-story way. thats just not part of the main canon story of the actual homestuck comic. All that said i think yeah obviously there are multiple timelines AND universes in the UT/DT scenario. we're seeing that just from both games existing, and also yeah the save files (there are minor differences per save slot for example.) The biggest question we all gotta contend with is how relevantly thats gonna factor into the main story. (i like to think we are actually gonna have to do something funky with the save slots and therefore timelines)
Kris's name could very easily be revealed to be an anagram of Frisk, all they'd need to do is say that they have F as their middle initial. "Kris F. Dreemurr" is an anagram of Frisk Dreemurr. It'd be a good way to do the reveal as well I think, all someone would need to do is say Kris' full name at some point.
Kris Dreemurr is actually Kristain Mestom Khandler from Earth-111311.
I know this could sound boring, but I see this as option 3. being the correct one.
Kris is just a new character to me.
Kris is Chara counterpart or some other child and soul (You) is Frisk. Kris somehow ended with red soul of determination, one frisk had. Unless that soul did not belong to frisk too, we playing as frisk or counterpart is extremely likely.
Now when i think about it, kris using They/Them might not be just some pronounce shinanignce, but true statement, hinting there is not only Kris, but also the soul, two entities and thus plural makes sense. I think Toby somewhere said there are no LGBTQ motives in a game.
Now as a big Kris=Frisk head I'm gonna give my thoughts on why i like that idea.
First with how it could be revealed, if this did turn out to be the case i don't think it would be revealed directly(that's honestly how i feel about all the options). Instead, i think it might be offhandedly mentioned that Kris changed their name at some point. Outside of this very specific mystery, this would also further drive in the implication that Kris is nonbinary(which i do believe is an important part of their character when examining this story). It would still leave things ambiguous on who they were in Undertale, but i think that's a good thing. It gives us stuff to think about even after the game is all over.
But the biggest reason i like Kris being Frisk is because Frisk didn't have much characterization at all in Undertale, and if Kris and Frisk are the same person just in different circumstances that would contextualize Frisk as a character
Common mistake I need to point out. Frisk is not non-binary, Kris however is. Frisk (and Chara's) gender was left intentionally ambiguous so the player can project onto them. Toby has said on a few occasions that using male/female pronouns for Frisk and Chara is perfectly fine. Toby has however gone out of his way to correct people who use he/him pronouns for Kris making the intent of them being non-binary very deliberate. So I don't think the use of they/them pronouns for Frisk really means a whole lot in regards to them being Kris since Chara also uses they/them pronouns and so would most if not all of the fallen children if they were to appear on screen.
I personally subscribe to the Charkis theory that Kris isn't supposed to be Chara or Frisk but an amalgamation between the two. Although this video has given me somewhat of an appreciation of Cyan Kris theory..
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox yeah I know Frisk is much more ambiguous, that was never really evidence I was using.
Actual evidence I would use is the two of them having identical skin tones, and Monster Kid being aged up in a way that would suggest Frisk would probably be around Kris' age in Deltarune.
With Frisk, I don't really want to know more about their gender situation. My personal headcanon is that the monsters used neutral terms to be polite, Frisk physically couldn't correct anyone since they were being possesed, but as their adventure went on they realized that they liked it. So after the Pacifist ending they decided to change their name and embrace that identity. But, I also don't want that random headcanon to be confirmed. I like the ambiguity with Frisk.
Even if Frisk and Kris end up being equivalent counterparts, who knows how different their lives might've ended up. Frisk could've ended up feeling happy with their agab, or maybe even transitioned along the binary.
Honestly, I think it's very likely we won't have Kris' undertale half confirmed outright no matter what the answer is. The only way I see us getting a concrete answer is if Kris has their own soul and it is a different color. That would be really cool too
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox This whole "Frisk's gender was left intentionally ambiguous" thing is absolutely made up and toby never confirmed it by the way. It only shows up on an interview. Where they ask if frisk's gender is ambiguous and toby chooses to skip the question, as he did to many other out-of-nowhere questions in that interview.
@@sthwrth3250cool, but Frisk is still not non-binary. If they were, Toby would have said so. Like he's done for Kris. So the fact that there's a difference in how Frisk and Kris are handled to me means that Frisk is not non-binary and their gender is just meant to be ambiguous whereas Kris' isn't meant to be ambiguous. I don't see a reason why Toby would he quiet and skip the question for Frisk if he's very open about it for Kris. So congratulations, in attempting to prove me wrong you accidentally just gave me a source.
@@CalamitasCalliopeFrisk and Monster kid wouldn't be born yet in Deltarune if we're sticking to the UT timeline. Cause Asriel is college age in DR (so about 20ish), Chara fell in 20XX, Frisk fell a long time after Chara. We don't know how long exactly but it's been long enough that Gerson went from a soldier fighting on the frontlines against humanity during the war, to a slightly eccentric eldery hermit who lives in a swamp. So it's likely at LEAST a 50 year difference between Chara and Frisk. Even if we assume Boss Monsters age at half the normal rate compared to humans Asriel would still have a PHD by the time Frisk is Kris' age. You can't pick and choose what characters ages you want to acknowledge when setting up a timeline. Your timeline does work out if we assume Kris is the Cyan soul but unless Boss Monsters age slightly faster than humans it couldn't be Chara and unless Boss Monsters age significantly slower than human it couldn't be Frisk. More than likely the UT timeline is completely unrelated to DR.
my silly theory is that kris is chara and frisk merged into one being, frisk controls the soul and chara the body, the reason kris didnt die when ripping his soul off on ch1 was because chara was still in hos body therefore not allowing him to die, also after kris rips his soul off he does a creepy smile and his left eye glows red, just like chara does in the end of the pacifist post genocide route
Kris uses they/them prounouns
Kris is just tan chara.
Kris is actually just Chara but a teenager with jaundice
This is legit how Kris might be both Frisk and Chara
New Black Chestnut, I drop everything
Oh my gosh, if you'r claim about soul colors affecting how you look in dark world is true, don't forgets lyric "there's a light inside your soul" becomes very clever.
If Kris is the counterpart to Chara, could Frisks counterpart potentially be a candidate for the Knight?
My theory Deltarune is a expirment of gasters gone wrong because it was taken over by someone
Colors on characters in dark worlds have lighter tint (susie, noelle). Charas colors are lighter than Kris'. God damn it, the undertale is a dark world theory strikes again.
I like the Kris is Cyan theory because the Nintendo switch soul mode in undertale is half red and half cyan
If kris is patience perhaps it’s meant to be representative on a meta level of players waiting for the game to be finished lol
I’d like to think that Kris is both Chara and Frisk in a trench coat
I think that the most likely person for Kris is a counterpart of Chara, and if that’s the case, I actually have an idea for who could be a counterpart for Frisk. I think that the counterpart for Frisk is actually Dess Holiday. As far as I could find, there isn’t any direct confirmation that Dess is a monster, and since we don’t know what Dess looks like, she could potentially be an adopted human like Kris. If this were the case, it would be very easy to do a big reveal in a later chapter where we finally find Dess, and find that she’s wearing similar clothes to Frisk, similar to how Kris is wearing clothes similar to Chara, helping confirm their connection.
Yes and no, Dess is indirectly mentioned to exist in UT by Asgore as well as Sans I believe in the Alarm Clock app. Sans referrs to her and Noelle as 'the antlered girl and the non-antlered girl' I believe, which is why most fan interpretations of Dess has her lacking antlers.
Why mention this? If Dess exists in UT.. if she were human and was known about by Asgore (which given how close Rudy and he are, is very unlikely Asgore wouldn't find out eventually), she'd be dead and Rudy and Asgore wouldn't be such great friends anymore. So unless Toby is doing a complete race swap (which is very unlike him) more than likely Dess is a also a Deer but doesn't have antlers.
I admit this is a pretty shakey argument so I'll go ahead and point out the chief flaw. Noelle and Dess are never mentioned by name, just by physical characteristics and being Rudy's daughters. So we have no real idea if Noelle and Dess are exactly as they are in UT.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Foxthe dialogue also mentions somewhere Rudy’s one daughter. One.
I think Sans refers to them as “the antlered girl and her big sis” Plus, since it’s very possible that Sans is from the Deltarune universe, he could be referring to the Noelle and Dess from the Deltarune universe instead of the Noelle from the Undertale universe.
@@skip-4259 Noelle is trans theory has even more evidence than I thought. :P
Actually in the dog room in the Xbox edition you can find a backwards hat that when interacted it calls it a serpent hat I think?
That's Jockington's hat.
@@pedromarques2788 yeah I was saying that he’s another character from deltarune who exists in undertale
@@_C3_Cal Probably, but I think that was just supposed to be a reference to that specific character in Deltarune.
He's hat is in Sans and Papyrus's house, it doesn't make any sense that is in there.
I think that chara's hair color is merely a palette thing, thus might be the same as kris's. as for the skin tone, we're basing this off of the demon version of chara, so maybe the actual child had yellow skin like kris and frisk, and the demon version is white to invoke themes of colonialism and stuff.
The idea that the Darkworld designs are just reflections of their souls is further backed up by the fact Monsters souls are one with their bodies. It makes sense their darkworld forms would just be lighter colors of their normal bodies, because a Monsters body IS their Soul. Killing the body is the same as destroying the Soul.
Humans on the other hand are different. We have physical bodies, so the souls arent quite as linked.
kris is just frisk without the f, and f stands for freedom lol
I dont think its more possible then any of the other optjons, but possibly the courage soul?
The only real evidence being the game over theme faint courage, which is more strongly associated with kris than any other characters. This mainly exists to explain faint courage, but like, there must be some reason its not called faint determination or power.
It is the "bravery" SOUL, not courage. The word courage is, however, used in deltarune: it is the special ACT Kris can do in the chapter final boss battles.
My one question that never gets addressed when talking about Kris his soul and souls in Deltarune is the following: Do the souls we know from Undertale even exist here besides the red soul?
Now, let me explain my thought process. As I understand it monster souls in Undertale quite literally make up their entire being. That's why attacks with malicious intent hurt them so much. You refuse and attack their entire being on a non physical layer.
But monsters being this way also lets them wield magic quite casually.
On the other side human mages existed in undertale but were probably quite rare as humans being more physical makes them more detached from their metaphysical side. This also made their souls so resilient. In Undertale human souls probably have more substance to be able to persist and work with a more physical intelligent being.
And now to Deltarune. In Deltarune monsters apparently DON'T wield magic. For them it is fantasy. If magic comes from accessing your soul and will as a power source and monsters can't use it even though in Undertale it is as natural as breathing for us.... Are they the same in Deltarune's world? And if not, do humans still have these resilient colourful heart shaped souls or is the soul we control entirely foreign to the world of Deltarune or something that looks similar to the souls from Undertale but something entirely different, maybe even artificial?
If this red shaped heart is not Kris's soul it might be, that removing it makes him stumble so much and ends with him putting him back in, because it being linked to Kris has resulted in a change to the body or an operation on the body was what made Kris compatible with it to begin with.
The red heart being hit in the dark world damaging someone else in your party besides Kris makes not really a lot of sense if it is just Kris's soul we are controlling like a puppet.
Maybe I am forgetting an obvious fact that nobody mentions, because it is so obvious. But it seems like a lot is being assumed about souls in Deltarune out of habit from Undertale.
You're.. potentially wrong. I'm not going to go too in depth here because I admit it's a pretty shakey argument.. but Catti does mention trying to learn magic with Kris at some point, and Kris' room in the Queens manor also indicates that this is something Kris is very passionate about. AND it could be argued that creating a dark fountain in the first place (which we see Kris do at the end of chapter 2) is magic in its purest form, sinxe you are literally forcing your will into the ground and creating a new world from it.
As for why characters such as Toriel don't use magic in DR, she's religious here. Oftentimes witchcraft/magic is seen as very taboo in rural religious areas like hometown. So it's reasonable that while magic could exist in the light world monsters in town don't want to use it for religious reasons/just not knowing how.
Also if you're going to bring up Noelle saying she wishes she knew how to use magic in the real world. Look at it again, she specifies she wishes she knew HEALING magic in the real world. It makes no statement on her having access to other types of magic, just that she can't heal in the real world which might still leave the door open for healing magic existing in the light world, Noelle just doesn't have access to it for one reason or another.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox To me all these mentions of magic sound to me like how we talk about it. Someone who is into the occult wants to learn it with a friend or they share rituals that do nothing. A kid with a sick parent wants some magic miracle magic to fix their loved ones....
These don't read like stuff someone who can just use magic naturally would say to me.
@@GreyVictory1510whereas to me, it sounds exactly what someone would say if magic was real but was either taboo or very hard to come by. It's like a kid saying they want to grow up and be a doctor so they can help a sick relative, does that mean doctors don't exist?
Also you completely ignored the only unarguable use of magic in DR, Kris creating the Dark Fountain. Neat.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox We don't know what Dark fountains are. We only know that Queen speculates that someone with enough determination can make one.
So for now we actually have no real connection between dark fountains and magic. Even if Kris, a human (species that normally can't use magic), used magic to open it. He is also the one special person we know of with a giant floating red heart.
6:03 I interpreted it as Kris being named by Toriel and Asgore. Plus, the name Kris is Frisk without the F and jumbled up, and Suzy is Susie, so I don't see why their name couldn't have changed in between universes. Different, but similar enough to mean the same person.
Theory: Kris’s soul is their own, but the soul was tied to the player, thus that’s why Kris needs their soul and we think that it’s ours using it to our avail but as soon as we’re done with our vessel it’s taken away.
Personally, I think Kris is Frisk, but the theory I like best is that Kris has a cyan soul/is the cyan soul human from UT. My personal reason is such: obviously the dark world skin colour thing, the contrast between red and cyan is large, making it easier to tell which soul is which(assuming we see both souls) and finally, cyan represents Patience. Would you not call enduring something else controlling your body most of the time, being a puppet, patient? They have to wait for control of their own body, and have to keep relinquishing their free will, for some reason. They are obviously planning something, we don’t know what yet, but whatever it is, the patience they show is undeniable.
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You forgot one of the more important parts: Kid with cyan soul had a toy knife. And what does Kris convieniently have under their pillow?
For me Kris could be a person with both Frisk and the first human (Chara) main characteristics combined in a brand new character. They are similar to Frisk in the sense that both of them are the main character of the game, in the sense that they both fulfil a similar role in relation to us, and they are similar to Chara in how they dress, some personality traits and they are the adopted child of the Dreemurs.
This mix could be the reason Kris is the only incomplete anagram we have of the counterparts of Undertale. Kris is like a Frisk with the story, personality and background of Chara, but without the metanarrative elements that Chara represented (stats increasing, the demon, that feeling etc...) because those concepts don't make much sense for me for Kris as a character. For me this is intentional from Toby. Toby wants us to relate Kris to Chara a lot, in imaginery they are very very similar to mislead us, why he wants us to see this similarities? WHO knows?? In the case of Frisk, we know so barely about them that is hard to say yes or no to them being exactly Kris... So they could totally be a version of Frisk with the background of Chara. This is the theory I believe the most.
Buuut about cyan the soul, I found your thoughts very VERY interesting. I always thought about the theory that our soul and Kris's could be combined, but the thing of Gaster keeping their soul could make sense. The theory of cyan soul is very cool! I honestly never thought about it. I would like it if this becomes canon.
In the case that Kris is the Cyan soul, you could read the kerchief as being a leash.
I think Kris does have an undertale counterpart, but we just never see them
8:19 in chapter 1 lancer and Susie says that they’re getting reversed tans. That the dark fountain releases darkness flares and make your skin lighter instead of darker .
I’ve always thought Kris was essentially a fusion of Frisk and Chara
as for the Multiverse thing, i think that the only big connection that is between Undertale and Deltarune is US, the player, like, since we know stuff from UT as we played it beforehand, we know how this universe is like, and our interaction with DT brings us with things that only we know, and a hint of that is Sans, as we Welcome Sans saying "I'ts good to see you again" he responds that it's good to see us too, even if DT Sans never met us before and this is the first time Sans even see Us and Kris.
Interesting theory that I've not considered before
About the theory that Kris is the cyan soul, cyan is the opposite color of red, which would be very fitting for this theory
goated inverted fate ost in the background 🙏
The Patience Soul might be hinted at in game quite a lot actually
Each character, in fact, has different colours associated with them. Noelle is Yellow, Susie is Purple, Ralsei is Green. Berdly is noted to be Blue less directly. And Kris is Aqua.
You can see this in a variety of places - if you use Lancer, you will see the different-coloured bars show up under the characters. Their portraits in-battle are shown in each colour. And sometimes the relationships with a colour is just stated directly, such as Susie being repeatedly noted to be purple.
So the question is like... Is this supposed to imply parity with the fallen human children in Undertale?
Is Berdly associated with Integrity, Ralsei with Kindness, Noelle with Justice, etc? They are monsters - but this is a different universe, and the rules may be different too.
Toby fox stated somewhere that he was considering making all the Light World characters human, but that it would be weirder to have a Human Toriel than just have monsters in a magic-lite setting. But on the other hand, them being the same colour does not mean they are intended to be the same people either - they might just embody the same virtues, or be vague parallels. This is most obvious with Berdly, who learns to be truthful - to have integrity - but has nothing to do with tutus or ballet.
I guess I do think Kris is the patience soul... But I don't think they are inherently the SAME patience soul, if that makes sense.
I love this a lot, especially with Noelle being justice. She’s CONSTANTLY looking for justice for Dess’ disappearance and Rudy’s illness.
I also really really love the idea of Susie being trust. That’s her whole character arc so far, learning to trust people and let them in. I like this approach a lot!!
I don’t know about this because when we control Susie in Chapter One we’re still a red soul, but probably thats because the player is the red soul which lines up with Undertale and idea very well.
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It might be worth considering the Ball Game's red flag:
"Bravery. Justice. Integrity. Kindness. Perseverance. Patience. Using these, you were able to win at "Ball Game."
So like, the red colouration uses a lot of the other's traits. That might be the play - We are red, all our party members are the other soul colours. Well, perhaps, haha.
it could also be that kris is a combo of chara and frisk
I think it also makes sense for kris to be patience above the other souls because kris is patient with letting the soul control them until they find a moment to slip away, and i dont think the other souls wud fit them in a similar way, like all the other souls could only be applied to when we are controlling them.
the music u used sounds just like Ohmu from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind in the Image Line album
Ok, so one option you didn't mention is that Kris is a counterpart to Frisk _and_ Chara. After all, during the plot of Undertale they kind of act as parts of the same character to some extent
Im pretty sure this was toby's thought process ngl (obviously Deltarune as a story was imagined before UT, but the development of the game itself didn't start until after) Kris is literally a mashup of Chara's personality/clothing and Frisk's skin tone/hair color/position in the story. Deltarune itself uses callbacks and parallels to undertale to add on to its own characters.
Ive had the dark world soul color theory in my head for ages and i was sitting there hoping you wouldnt say it because now it'll seem like i stole the idea
and about the patience soul, kris also had the red horns, which could be compared to the undertale red ribbon owned by the patience soul
small headcanon - Berdly is a counterpart to the cut enemy Larpy
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My theory is that, while Kris isn’t a character we know from UT, they’re related to one the humans we’ve met in some way (like maybe a parent or sibling. Another possibility could also be that Toby made Frisk and Chara from the idea of Kris since he would’ve came up with Kris first.
Regarding the Soul, I have an interesting theory. Perhaps Souls don’t really exist in the same as UT in DR. Like the red Soul we control is the only we know exists in DR and it’s pretty strange. No other party members have their own Souls that show when dodging bullets (overworld bullets and in-battle bullets) even if Kris is taken out. Kris can move around without their Soul (which should be impossible with UT logic). At the very least, I think human Souls work a differently to UT. Monsters probably still have Souls since they can use magic, are probably still composed of magic and have forms that seem impossible without magic
Also good analysis on who Kris and the Soul might be
This is true except for when Susie fights Lancer in Chapter One, her heart is red. I think that’s because the player’s heart is red, we were controlling Susie. No clue what monster souls look like in this game, at least not yet
To add to your Kris is cyan theory, I would like to mention that the only soul trait mentioned in Gaster's valentine letter is patience. This could mean that it is addressed to the patient human, maybe even Kris themselves. It is possible that Gaster is communicating with Kris, due to the garbage noise coming through the receiver. I DO NOT subscribe to the Kris is cyan theory, as I find the evidence for Kris is Frisk to be very compelling. I thought of the letter as soon as you mentioned the cyan soul. I love your videos. thank you very much for creating. I know I am late to the party, but at least hopefully you can use that as a means to boost your own ideas.
I personally believe that Kris is not Frisk or Chara but BOTH.
Kris' hair and skin color are very close to Frisk's, while personality-wise, it's all Chara. Well up until recently at least.
I don't know if it's Frisk's body with Chara inside or if, despite the differences, it's Chara's body with Frisk inside but either way, they're both in there.
The soul is Frisk's, and Frisk is in control of the body in Deltarune. Before that, it was Chara, that's why everyone talks about Kris having Chara's tastes.
But characters like Noelle notice that Kris is a lot more talkative recently.
And in the Dark World, Kris has Frisk's blue and pink color scheme, and their bed in Castle Town is blue with pink stripes.
Also, Kris is a charismatic leader in the Dark World, which is more like the way Frisk acts than Chara or Kris. I do believe Kris to be Chara's real name since Chara is just short for Character.
And when Kris rips the soul out, it's Chara who's in control. I think that because of the similarities between the end of Chapter 1 and Undertale's Soulless Pacifist ending.
For real, this is what I basically thought. It also explains why Kris's whole motivations seem contradictive at times. For example: telling Undyne in both chapters about Dark World's existence and how dangerous it is, only to make another one in THEIR OWN HOUSE out of any other places.... that feels like an extremely wtf moment to me and I feel like more people should question that.
berdly has an undertale (yellow) counterpart, martlet!
Doubt you'll see this. But i have my own theory similar to option B. Gaster when he made the connection with us actually pulled our own soul into the game. Then took kris's soul and repleced it with us. Why? Because in the normal DR timeline without us kris was the night and would bring about the roaring.
About the Soul, what if it's something like this:
* Gaster used Kris' Soul to make a connection with the world above them, which is our PC via the Survey Program.
Originally intended to use it into a Vessel that would Act as a representation and enbodiment of our likeness (the sprites colored based on our answers in the Non-Physical questions) but someone interrupts the connection with the Vessel and the Soul was returned to Kris. (and after Ralsei bring the Soul a purpose, the deal was seal with Kris' body, those explaining also why the Legend now appears in the intro of Chapter 2 and why the Menu changed to the Legend Themed)
also, i'd like to think that, if Kris' Soul is Patience, then the Connection Gaster made with Kris' Soul, made their color Change to Red as it bring us the Power of Determination, the Power of Will that brings Light into the world, like King said, we're a Lightbringer.
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Honestly I think they are a combination of both. Kris has Frisk's hair color and skin tone, as well as "Kris" almost being an anagram of "Frisk." However, unlike Frisk, Kris has Chara's personality and wears a green and yellow sweater. Chara and Frisk were always seen as counterparts in Undertale, so I feel Deltarune decided to combine the two into one
My big brain theory: Undertale is a recurring fantasy of DT Kris loosely based on DT Asriel's game. In this case, this is a frequently recurring thing with all the routes, and AU'S being different variations of that fantasy. In that sense Kris is Chara AND Frisk. Chara symbolizing Kris letting their dark subconscious take over and Frisk standing in as a younger, idealized version of themself. Hell you can even rearrange Frisk's name into "F Kris".
4:05 counter argument
When u name urself chara it says the true name and since ur name at the start is charas or whatever they are then chara is the true name for the child
Also i think we control kris's soul and kris is a mix between frisk and chara (even with the jaundice from frisk)
Edit: or its just kris and no counterpart
as for who might Kris be in counterpart of Undertale:
I'd say Kris is the embodiment representation of both Chara and Frisk, they both share big factors to Kris, like what you mentioned with Chara's personality. and if this isn't enough, if we took the CH and RIS from Chara and Frisk we get Chris, which is another name for Kris.
it's like their own beind but based on those 2.
The multiverse thing is certainly a possibility but damn thats gonna be way too complicated. I doubt it will play that big of a role.
Kris’ soul could be any color, seeing as Toby has confirmed that the red soul isn’t a soul trait, but a trait of being possessed by the player. No I have no idea what that means for Chara.
Possibility 3: The SOUL is Frisk's SOUL.
Broke: Kris is Chara
Woke: Kris is Frisk
Bespoke: Kris--- is in a week! Woo-hoo!
The librabian in undertale looks like berdley with no color and has no cannonical name, so is probably his counterpart.
Kris' soul being Patience (Cyan) seems logically sensible, even rock-solid. Kris is certainly forced to exercise a sizeable amount of patience by h̶i̶s̶ their unique circumstance.
Kris uses they/them prounouns
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turned the like cownter from 666 to 667 hope that saves you from gaster
Hmm, a thought i had watching this i don't think I've heard any real discussion about: Why aren't there more humans in delatrune? In undertale it made sense with the monsters banished underground and the humans on the surface having largely forgotten them that only occasionally would a lone human stumble through, but with the monsters on the surface you'd expect to see at least a few more...
Even if monster and human societies are largely segregated in some way, under what circumstances did a _single_ human end up living in an all-monster town, and an an adopted child at that? It's one thing if an adult human decided to buck the norms and move into a monster town, but if monsters and humans are so segregated there isn't a single adult human living in this town it seems highly unlikely humans would willingly or intentionally put a child up for monster adoption, at least not without some specific reason 🤔
Kris and chara has alot of similarities but they have alot of differences too like 1. kris is an outcast in the monster town while chara was loved by all the monsters in the underground.
2. Kris is quiet and reserved while chara seemed more outgoing
3. Asriel is way older then kris while asriel seem to be the same age as chara in undertale and it seems like the counterparts keep the same age they were in undertale ( if asriel was still alive in undertale he would be older).
4. To be fair this more of a headcanon but to me kris is Poc while chara is Caucasian which if true is a huge dent in this theory
Kris have some similarities with frisk doesn’t mean their the same character. So kris is definitely a new character to me anyways.
just so you know Toby does refer to Chara as "Chara" in his concept art. Not to say it couldn't still be a placeholder though.
Kris and Frisk share the same exact skin and hair color, the same bored expression, in UT Clam Girl says Frisk would be besties with Suzy and in DR Kris is besties with Susie, heck, Kris is literally Frisk without the F (btw i have no Idea where you pulled the deadname thing from)
I don't understand why there's a discussion around this, Kris is clearly Frisk.
(I enjoyed the video and its still fun to think about this) but tbh I think this is the EXACT subject Toby had in mind when telling us to not think too hard about its relation to Undertale and enjoy it for what it is.
Undertale can be looked to for thematic parallels but drawing exact connections and using them to theorize is probably exactly what is not meant to happen.
Again still a fun video those are just my thoughts
I believe Kris is Deltarune Chara but them being the Patience child would be cool, give the other souls some more love.
Interesting Theories you have. I assumed that SOULs simply work differently in Deltarune, but the idea that Gaster took Kris’ SOUL and either did something to it or replaced it, is also compelling.
Also about a few things you said about Chara
1. Their canon name is “Chara”, since when you type in “Chara” for “Name the Fallen Human”, it responds with “The true name”, and digging through the game files “Chara” is the default name if no name was given, Name=“Chara”
2. Chara died from eating buttercups, and as far as I know that doesn’t really cause “Vitamin D-Deficiency”, Chara could just light skinned in Undertale.
3. I don’t think the notion that Kris shouldn’t be Chara’s equivalent because they “bring a lot of baggage” really matters, since this is an alternate universe where various events in Undertale never happened. There was no buttercup plan, so no dead kids. Asgore and Toriel still divorce, it’s just now for a different reason, probably not involving Kris. Kris doesn’t even need to be Deltarune Chara, to “have some baggage”.
In my opinion, I think Kris is a unique case, where instead of representing one character, they’re essentially what if Frisk and Chara were the same person. That’s why Kris’ name and skin tone is similar to Frisk, but everything else about them is more like Chara.
10:40 Just look at the top lines and you have it on the money.
I don't see why "Kris is the Deltarune counterpart of Frisk" = "Kris has to have been named Frisk at some point".
Regarding Chara's death: it is heavily implied that Chara died because it poisoned itself with buttercups, a poisonous plant. This is revealed by the True Lab video tapes.