I made a bit of a follow up video to this one were I cover a few things that I didn't have time to cover in this video th-cam.com/video/kHxBrvlCc8A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LVDUfgpt6XIuVH9Y
Fantastic theory! I'm now 100% convinced the full line is "Your name is Ralsei", and 90% sure Kris is the one talking. God damnit I can't wait for the full game
I really like how this theory doesn't try and make some wild claim to justify itself, so many times this fandom always thinks everything is a crazy conspiracy that needs to go into every way and not go anything like anyone expects, but in the end, Undertale itself was never a massive conspiracy, it just treated everything seriously, and ran it to its conclusion. I've never seen anyone mention the fact that the supply closet dark-world had to have been made recently, since Noelle and Alphys still talk about it being a supply closet. Really good theory, subscribing ^^
Personally I think there's one true Dark World and every other is born from its malleable fringes. The Grand Fountain could possibly change its terminus due to its power, and throw him across to another pocket of the Dark World
creating a massive consipracy is much more fun then doing an analysis's forever and labeling it theories. That is joy of theorizing, when you do some wild claims that make somewhat sense, but are fun to do.
I was intrigued but still skeptical with your first video, but you've convinced me that of this is where the story is going it will be very, very interesting. That part about Berdly saying 'Lackey' being highlighted is a point I've never seen anyone else address. I'm sure there will be plenty of twists and turns, but perhaps the answers to the biggest mysteries are right under the fandoms collective noses.
I think Ralsei being awfully similar to Asriel adds a bit more evidence to this theory. So if Ralsei is what Kris wishes to be like then it makes complete sense that he's similar to Asriel. This just means Kris looks up to or is jealous of Asriel, he is their older brother who has a bunch of trophies and stuff.
I like this theory, it’s nice how it doesn’t just go along with the very assumptions made by the fandoms and actually interprets the information given by the game in a rational way :D
The missing green crayons could be a Homestuck reference. There's a character in Homestuck that's implied to be an herbivore and is starving when introduced. He finds a box of chalk and eats the green ones since they're plant colored
I have 1 big question about this theory: If Kris made Ralsei and his Dark World then how? Ralsei in chapter 2 after telling Susie what happened to Lancer refers to his Dark World's fountain as the "grand fountain" which is supposed to explain why all Darkners from different Dark Worlds can live there without turning into stone like Lancer & Rouxls did in Chapter 2. How does Kris make a GRAND dark fountain instead of a normal one???
I've already responded to a similar question so I'm just going to copy and paste my response ok. so basically the darkeners turn to stone because they don't belong in the dark world but because of Ralsei's special connection with Kris they are able to exist in any dark world as long as Kris is in it with them, and the reason why all darkners can exist in the supply closest dark world is because its inside a supply closest, you can put anything in a supply closet and it wouldn't be out of place because the whole point of a supply closest is to store extra items. and Kris must have known this which is why they decided to use the supply closet as their dark world castle town, and its also the reason why they chose to use their head band to make a darkner to guide us through the darkworlds because they knew that the head band would create a special darkner that could exist in any dark world as long as they were together, basically Ralsei is never out of place as long as their with Kris because they belong to Kris. Ralsei's dark fountain is a "grand fountain" because of the location its in beside the special location there's nothing different about it to the other dark fountains
@@blackchestnut I guess I just misinterpreted Ralsei saying "Castle Town's Grand Fountain is made of pure darkness. As long as it stays flowing, any Darkner can live there." as meaning the grand fountain itself causing the allowance of any Darkner to live there
If Kris can completely live fine with the soul removed, why are they so panicked over the Spamton NEO fight? After the battle against Spamton, a puppet on strings that either breaks without attachments or explodes when his HP hits 0, Kris is visibly shaken up, which is widely considered to be a panic attack from realizing that the entire Spamton NEO arc is an analogy of their dependence on the soul and what could happen when the ties between us and them separate.
so this is a really great point to bring up because I think its really interesting and I don't think it hurts the theory at all if anything I think the scene makes even more sense in the context of the theory so let me explain my thoughts about it So in the context of the story Kris still needs the soul in this moment because they need the soul to seal the fountain if Spamton where to steal the soul then Kris would be trapped in the dark world forever and also Spamton would have probably just killed Kris so its not like they don't have a reason for being upset and scared even without any metaphorical stuff But also within the context of the theory Kris has already had their soul stolen once before by Gaster and I can only imagine that, that event was very traumatic and so the panic attack was likely triggered by the similarities to the first event and as for Spamton being an analogy to Kris I think that is actually strengthened by the theory, so Spamton is an analogy to Kris in the sense that they both had the thing that they want at one point but it got taken away from them and now they are both trying to get back what they lost plus some, and in the same way that Spamton uses Kris to get what he wants, Kris uses Ralsei and Susie to get what they want, and when Spamton enact his plan into motion, going into the neo body is the same as when Kris takes the soul, and when Spamton goes in the Neo body he is still bound to wires a puppet on strings in the same way Kris is are puppet and keep in mind this is something they both chose to do and when Spamton fails it puts fear in Kris that their plan could end in the same way
Kris might just be shaken up because, despite needing us to be in control of them, he still really doesn't like it. And Spamton very graphically reminding Kris of his situation causes panic. Or it might be that Kris doesn't really need us to be in control of them but forced us to be in control of them because the alternative (us controlling the vessel) is worse. So Kris is in a distressing situation and doesn't know if they'll ever get their full autonomy back, so Spamton hinting at this might cause Kris to panic. Or Kris's ultimate goal might be to get on Gaster's level of power, so they're effectively God. But Spamton hints that even when reaching this ultimate goal they'll still not be free (just like Spamton who gets his NEO body just for him to realize that there's still strings attached to him and that "it's still dark").
@@blackchestnut To add to this, your theory also explains why Ralsei downplays what happened with Spamton. If Ralsei and Kris are both in on this Knight stuff, and Kris explained to Ralsei what Ralsei is and what he should do, then Ralsei wouldn't really understand the significance of the whole puppet strings metaphor, or not care that much about it.
I find it really interesting that the vast majority of the Fandom says that monsters are able to open fountains because "berdly was going to open one" First of all, no, he wasn't GOING to open one, he was going to TRY and open one. We don't know if he would actually be successful. We don't know if all lightners possess enough determination to actually open fountains, because Queens knowledge was based solely on what she could observe, which was very little. Funnily enough, the whole Ralsei stops berdly thing actually gives Kris a layer of plausible deniabilty
@theprinceofawesomeness The simple fact that Ralsei stops Berdly before he can even try to make a fountain tacetly implies that Kris isnt the only person who can open fountains and that monsters are also able to open fountains, even though the established rule that carried over from undertale is that monsters dont typicaly have enough determination to use it for anything. Imagine for a second that Ralsei is unconscious and doesn't stop Berdly, but when Berdly hits the ground, nothing happens. If we saw Berdly fail to open a fountain, but Kris succeed, do you think anybody would ever rank someone like Alvin to be more likely to be the Knight than Kris?
@@krazyivan9733 i just think a dark world can be opened up in a dark world. Besids if Kris is the one opening the fountens then Berdly being willing with the posibility to have enguth determination to open one then it would excist without Kris permision
This theory was cool, I loved watching this! This makes perfect sense to me, and overall was great to see. A little theory that I personally have is that the red headband is probably Ralsei, but maybe the green crayon could be the Ralsei dummy?
Your two videos basically 'sold' me the 'Kris Knight' theory! I came here though YT recommendations, and I can say for sure this is certainly one of the most consistent knight theories I have watched recently! On another note, what you pointed out in the end about Ralsei never acknowledging the Knight is something I have noticed and pondered myself: one would think that, when supposedly facing a being that's capable to threaten the stability of the Universe by their actions, you would make your prime objective locating and neutralizing such being, but Ralsei barely even acknowledges the Knight's existence, nor even mentions him at least once. This is certainly very, very interesting... PS: On the top of all of that, this also explains why Kris has a Save File before the Soul even enters the first Dark World...
As for why Kris would like to obtain more power, another possibility is that... they want to become a "big shot": they are clearly overshadowed by their brother, who displays a lot of trophies and achievements in his room and is known by pretty much everyone in town, while Kris is just an ordinary kid... In the end, perhaps, Kris wants to be, and quite literally in this case, the protagonist of his own story, and likely sees the Dark Worlds as the means to achieve that goal.
I feel like Ralsei might be some sort of "drawing" or maybe a part of some sort of story that kris has physically drawn/written as a child. I mean, we know that Kris is very attached to Asriel, and i feel like it would make sense for a troubled child like Kris to make some sort of "imaginary friend" that would look like a younger Asriel (maybe to subconsciously bridge the slight age gap between the two siblings), that would always be by their side, that would always understand them even if they don't express themself, and i mean, even the name "Ralsei" itself sounds like what a young child with a lack of imagination would name a personification of "Asriel". This "storybook theory" would explain why Ralsei seems so shocked when we go "off script" in the snowgrave route, and why he knows so much about kris and their emotions even though they never show them. This theory would explain why the "closet dark world" is so mysterious (e.g. why doesn't the dark crystal work there? Why are there no recognizable "items" that would be found in a closet?): because the knife that created the dark world hasn't hit the closet itself, but the literal, physical storybook; this would also explain why is there a floor made of written pages on the ground when we first enter the closet. I know this hasn't been the most well worded argument, but i hope to have been able to convey what i mean, and while i was writing this i realized that if this theory was true, then Ralsei would be somewhat like a slightly less mentally deranged version of freaking "sonichu" ffs
so I have thought about tea theory and how it works with the overall theory and I do think it actual supports the theory overall. so theirs two different ways to interpret it. 1. Kris still views Ralsei as an item and not their own person and Kris feelings toward him reflect this, Kris likes Ralsei in the same way you like your hat, because it keeps the sun out of your eyes, Kris likes Ralsei because he's useful but not in the same way you like your best friend. 2. Kris does view Ralsei as their own person but just doesn't consider them a close friend because at this point in the story Ralsei has only really exited as a person for about 3 days now and so Kris doesn't see Ralsei as a close friend yet because Kris doesn't really know Ralsei yet, and to be fair Ralsei doesn't really know himself yet either I think as the story progresses and Ralsei goes through his character ark that Kris will grow to like Ralsei more and that the amount of health Ralsei tea heals Kris will go up as the game goes on
@@blackchestnuti agree. Remember how ralsei asks Kris if they view him as a "lackey"? Well, the player might view him as more than a lackey, but I get the feeling that in Kris's eyes, Ralsei is exactly that.
Admittedly I have my own considerations on this If Ralsei is Kris's monstersona Then there's a non 0% chance Kris has body dysphoria about being a human. Anyone would feel mixxed seeing the person they want to be come alive and be an entirely seperate being. Awkward, envious, spiteful? Happy, admiring, the whole shebang. Afterall as they say You dont get to choose who you want to be in this world. (This would also potentially turn into a further parrelel with Susie, there's some LIGHT signs Susie may want to pass off as a human. But it could just be abuse too at this point so Im not going too hard into that idea yet :X)
Plus queen told all the kids that determination is key to opening dark worlds. And that anyone could do it. This makes more sense because if queen needed someone to make dark worlds she would have targeted Kris instead of Noelle. Also making fountains has to be a universal thing that's not a trait of one specific person. Otherwise Ralsei would have no worries about Berdly using his halberd to make one in ch 2. He would've just ignored his attempt or scoffed at the idea. But he panicked likely because he knew he could do it and it would've likely killed them all considering they were already in a dark world. I don't believe there is enough conclusive evidence to claim kris is the knight or that only one person can make fountains...your theory is nice though.
Man i just found your channel and you killed it. I have had a bad taste in my mouth about the fandom talk / hate around the kris knight idea but could never articulate it. You did an excellent job. And i appreciate that a large portion of your videos is presenting counterpoints to discuss. It is much better than most that just cherrypick
To support this theory, I would also like to add how queen used *specifically* a knife to depict the knight opening up a fountain. We know that she has a video of the knight opening up the fountain, so she could have seen Kris do it with their knife and used it in her holographic powerpoint presentation I remember playing the game for the first time and seeing the knife and automatically going "Oh my god that's Kris' knife that's what they were really doing the night before toriel's pie was a distraction" lol I would also like to point out Kris' reaction to the spamton fight and all, and how they seem to absolutely hate being controlled by the player. I think us becoming Kris' soul was either an accident, a rushed decision, or something they deeply regret. It was all probably prepped up in a single night, since there is a glaring contradiction in the prophecy because it implies that the main dark fountain has always been there and needs to be kept active for the balance between light and dark, while also there being proof that there wasn't always a dark fountain in the closet ..wait I just realised that the theory about the prophecy being made up by kris to ralsei doesn't make much sense because if we choose to skip the exposition Lancer comes in and gives us a summary, implying that he also knows about it a bit. Uhhhhh ANYWAYS. I think that Kris saw Dess being taken to a dark world, or at least they think it was a dark world, they becane obsessed with the occult as Catty confirms, found out about dark fountains, and decided to try to open them in random places to search for Dess. Maybe while opening the first dark fountain something went wrong, or they thought that getting an entity which could be reasonably considered a god on their side would be a good idea, or they caught gaster in the middle of his gastfuckery and decided to stop him, but they ended up getting a new soul or getting their soul controlled by the player, and now the gotta deal with that whole new can of worms
I love the sentence "they caught gaster in the middle of his gastfuckery", mainly the "gastfuckery" part lol. Gaster was prolly just chilling in the closet writing a ton of bepis jokes in the Undertale code, Kris walked in, and Gaster just cursed them for an experiment or a "y'know why not" thing
6:46 Personally don't think Kris willingly chose to have the Soul, and if they did it's a flipping Faustian bargain that they likely regret, or the alternative was death. Also, I think the reason people think that Kris cant live without the Soul is probably a combination of 1: there's probably some negative consequence for removing the Soul (they do seem to move almost like their a zombie or something) and 2: I feel like Kris would likely not want the Soul in them after snowgrave. The soul did not just kill Berdly, but also flipping gas light/manipulated/traumatized their childhood friend. Some of the dialogue after Kris reunites with Susie and Ralsei seems to imply that Snowgrave likely traumatized Kris too, similar to their reaction in Spamton Neo (which implies that Kris very much does not like their puppet situation, probably fearing that without the Soul they'd end up like Spamton after his strings are cut. If Kris would likely survive after removing their soul, I at least see them trying a lot more to try and warn their friends "hey! I'm being possessed by an entity that's dangerous! Keep me away from Noelle so it doesn't hurt her anymore!" or something...
i've never seen anyone else i've agreed with more on the matters of theories, taking into account both logic AND the narrative and taking into account what would be most narratively satisfying . this and the kris knight video align exactly with my beliefs and it makes me stoked to see someone who agrees completely !! the one thing i didn't really consider the idea of kris being the one to put the soul in and the idea that they could be pursuing power, but when you explained it all it made SO much sense !!!! personally i'm of the belief that if any of the possible theories as to why they would want power were to be true, it would be that kris is trying to save dess. the way the dess mystery is set up and the title of findher.ogg just absolutely seems to be setting up that dess NEEDS to be found, and it's our job to do just that.
I'm crying rejoicing right now I pretty much agree with everything you're saying and I'm so happy someone else said it!! Especially about the "no one gets to choose who they are in this world" speaker being Kris! It hadn't occurred to me that they might be talking TO RALSEI with that dialogue, though. Omg. I always assumed they were talking to themselves, like just lamenting emo dramatics. But saying it to Ralsei also feels extremely cool and befitting. Also gives a slight hint of disdain towards Ralsei, which I think is echoed in the way Kris reacts to Ralsei in game (Ralsei Tea doesn't heal them much, in general they just seem wary of Ralsei.) It would make sense, if maybe, Kris feels embarrassed by Ralsei since he's their old fursona, and maybe Ralsei acts like a childhood version of Kris too. So it's some disdain for themself, really.
The only REAL things I don't like about this theory are that 1) Ralsei talks to Kris in the absence of the player in a way that makes it seem like he's explaining something Kris doesn't already know. And while you COULD argue "well, they were only pretending to talk that way to throw us off", but they could also just... *not* talk in front of the camera... 2) Ralsei and his Dark World are implied to be special (his fountain is made of "pure" darkness, allowing all Darkners to live there), so why would all other fountains made by the same person not also have that property? 3) This all hinges on the assumption that Kris IS the Knight, and while it is possible, there ARE other explanations that don't require there to be multiple Knights or even one SPECIFIC Knight. One such explanation is that the Knight is some other hyper-aware entity (like Gaster, but not specifically him necessarily) that ALSO has the power to control characters in this world like we do. If this WAS the case, it could mean they controlled characters to open the fountains, and THEY could even br the entity that interrupted Gaster and put us in Kris. They could even be controlling Kris in the instance where Kris removes the soul, rather than Kris themselves doing it. Another possible identity COULD be a group of characters, notably the Boom family, with their deep roots connected with the town history, religion (which connects to the sigil of the Deltarune and the Angel), and the fact that the first two Dark World locations were related to them (with the drawing by Father Alvin to Gerson in the unused classroom and the fact that Mrs. Boom clearly runs the library as per the fact that Berdly works shifts there and specifically describes it as his shift WITH Mrs. Boom, and she was apparently absent for some reason. You could argue that this means his shift with her was actually somewhere else entirely and she has not relationship with the library, but I think it would be a bit strange for Berdly to be working multiple jobs in a small town while in middle school or high school.. my best guess is that Berdly went to look for Mrs. Boom elsewhere, since she wasn't at the front desk when he looked. If this is the case, it explains why they have a relationship with the prophecy and access to all of these spaces). Point is, an assumption that Kris is the Knight definitely gives this theory some extra weight, but many other possibilities are still open that don't necessarily need to be all the easily debunkable ones like Papyrus and Undyne. 4) If the only reason Kris did it is for power... why make new dark worlds at all? I mean, he doesn't NEED to go on an adventure to either defeat or recruit darkners when at the end they just take all the stuff to castle town anyway. They could literally just bring it right from the start and do all that there, all without the need for our soul or dark fountains. It's a REALLY convoluted way to become more powerful when all of the middle steps could just be squeezed out. One thing I DO like about the idea of Ralsei being the headband though is that it gives an explanation to how he follows us between dark worlds, and explains the connection to Asriel.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up the knife being ralsai's darkworld item. If kris brings his knife around with him at all times it would explain how ralsai got into the cyberworld dark fountain.
I didn't quite believe this theory at first, but y'know what, you've got me. Anyway, my own idea as to Kris's motivations is that Kris doesn't need the soul to live LITERALLY...but they need it to live METAPHORICALLY. Think about it: The soul, in most religions and philosophies and even in Undertale, is one of the most important things you can have. To be without a soul is to be empty, and in the case of Flowey, a soulless being, he was lost and afraid before all of his RESETs and both physically and psychologically cannot empathize with others no matter how hard he tries. If Kris is similar without their soul, then it would perfectly explain their motives: They either want their soul back, or they want to be able to have the soul you control without sacrificing their bodily autonomy. They want not to survive, but to LIVE. And it enhances the narrative, as well! A big part of Kris's character is the idea of normality; that Kris isn't "normal". Bratty was surprised when Kris got her fries, the monster child behind the door asks if it hurts to be made of blood, etc. etc. Not having a soul/not having one someone else doesn't have control over is the perfect metaphor for that, in addition to being the only human in a town of monsters. Everyone has a soul. Everyone except you. And without that soul, you're empty, just like how you're empty without connection, without family and friends. Wouldn't YOU want it back?
This is an incredible theory, honestly Ties up lots of plot threads nicely and makes a lot of sense. In chapter 2 when you return to Castle Town, isn't it renamed to have your name that you put during the vessel creation sequence? Kris could have learned the name of the player after taking the soul during the creation sequence, and ordered Ralsei to rename Castle town after the events of chapter 1 was done. Or maybe Ralsei picked up on our name during chapter 1, somehow. The only thing I'm unsure about is why Kris has a cage and wagon prepared in their corner of the bedroom, or why Toriel says "they do this sometimes" when Kris goes off to the bathroom to run the faucet for a while (and shove us in the sink cupboard). I also don't know why they know how to rip us the soul out from themself in the first place, or why we don't have the control to free ourselves from Kris on our own accord, or why we seem to be "solid" and "trapped" when Kris throws us in the cage, shoves us in the sink, and shoves us in the sofa cushions. If they could just keep us trapped up until the end of a level and whip us out at the end to seal the fountain, I dunno if that would be easier for them or not, if they dislike being controlled. Either way, this was fun to listen too!
Nice theory, I'm not really convinced, but I like the idea of Kris having created the pure fountain of darkness (but I don't think that means, they created the second and third one). How I see it, this first fountain is way more complex to just have been created recently, since it would also disturb the balance of light and dark if we would seal that fountain, so it has to keep existing. One issue I have with this theory is that I don't think Ralsei's knowledge of the dark world is a mystery that needs to be explained. A few other things, One thing that I never see getting adressed in any video involving Kris being the knight is, that Kris backs off from the supply closet, implying that they're scared of it. The easy answer is, they're faking it, but I'm not a big fan of it. I have yet to watch your other video, but, I don't think Kris opening only one fountain would make them a less important character, since there still is much to explore with this direction. But I can understand where you're coming from with this, since I'm personally a fan of Dess being the knight, for basically the same reason of character agency. Then I'm curious how the tea theory would fit into this one, or what I actually mean is, that Kris doesn't like Ralsei as much as the rest, and this being, because either he reminds them of the perfect version of themself that they think they're supposed to be but just aren't, and/or because Ralsei only cares about us and not Kris's wellbeing. But again, overall nice theory.
So to address the point about Kris backing up, Kris was doing that to get Susie to go in first, Kris needs Susie to go in first, if they went in first Susie might not follow them in and Kris can't risk that so they can't go in until Susie does. so they were faking it but Susie's sake not ours. and as for the tea theory I have already addressed that in a previous comment
this theory in combination with jaru's "asriel is dead" theory is fucking wild. Like i could really see it working. A genuine reason why kris is seeking power
even though I disagree with most of your theory, especially linking it all to kris, its still very well put together! props to you for explaining different possibilities and debunking other theories whilst also giving evidence for your own, and the editing and commentary to pull it all together - was very entertaining :) hope you reach more than 1000 subscribers one day, if not tomorrow then maybe the next
This vid has been making me think a lot about the whole chapter 0 stuff, how theres evidence of a chapter 0 possibly being one of the chapters in deltarune, and how so much of this theory involves actions taken before chapter 1, which makes me think that if this theory is true (which i think that some form of it is), Chapter 0 is gonna be in the gane eventually and will detail Kris making ralsei and his dark fountain and stealing the soul and such.
My theory: Kris intercepted the soul connection and summoned us through some sort of occult ritual with Catti. I think the ending of chapter 2 is a double red herring. By making Kris-knight theory so blatantly obvious, it would make dedicated fans doubt it's integrity, thus outplaying even the dataminers and theorycrafters.
GOD WHAT TH EHECK AS SOON AS YOU HIT ME WITH THE VOICE THAT CUTS US OFF FROM GASTER IS *KRIS* I WAS LIKE WAIT THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE LIKE ITS VERY CLEAR KRIS HAS IDENTITY ISSUES, FROM THE MIRROR INTERACTION TEXT TO THE HORN HEADBAND, TO THE BOOK WITH HUMANS IN IT OF COURSE THEY WOULDNT WANT SOMEONE JUST CHOOSING WHO THEY ARE. BECAUSE THEY DIDNT GET TO ...and here i was tryna theorize about that voice being an entirely new character, one that talked to the secret bosses and told them that their choices dont matter... or that was following gaster around and cutting off his contact with them just like they cut off our contact with gaster... oh i just continued watching and ...this, to you, is them creating ralsei? huh, interesting... gonna let that stir in my mind
Very interesting theory! I might have missed it if you addressed this (in which case just timestamp me and I'll try to pay more attention next time haha) but how does Ralsei get from the closet to the library? It can't be that Kris takes the horns in with them because you would see an additional sparkle when Lancer and Rouxls become darkners when you enter the cyber world
I swear now everytime i see someone make a deltarune theory , they're essentially responses to a response,everyone talking about each other missing a point or something like that.I kinda noticed you tried your best to not leave everything unanswered,idk why,but i just noticed.prob because of physical evidence,not how almost every theory goes f*****g philosophical analyzing the meaning of the textboxes(basically reddit r/rant) outside of needed information just to make new insights and dismissing most analysing in terms of in-game evidence(objects,not textboxes,that game is already full of 'em)
I think the paper around the green crayon is Ralsei's clothes. But what he is, sure he's able to survive in other dark worlds due to being from a dark world of pure darkness but, how did he travel from that dark world to the Cyber World? I think he's actually an object Kris had most of the time.
mostly cool theory but 7:32 was where you lost my interest it would make more sense if they learned about the prophecy or something I mean that wouldnt really make sense either but it would make more sense and the fact that ralsei is nice to kris(I mean the soul) could be explained by kris telling ralsei to lead the soul to close the fountains and ralsei just doing them in his own way like how he tells the soul that their choices do matter and it is also kinda hinted by the fact that there is 1 ending but 2 cutscenes in chapter 1 (one being mean and one pacifist)
Maybe Kris wants to get to Gaster so they can give up the knowledge of being in a game so they can live their life normally, and as I said in a comment in your past theory(that comment is way longer and a bit cringy) , maybe Gaster is doing all of this because he wants to regain his lost pieces. This theory also gets a theme I talked about in that comment: "the lost of self" Ralsei is what Kris would like to be, but Ralsei wants to be someone else. We, the player, created a vessel that we wanted our character to be, but Kris doesn't want to, so in the Snowgrave we forcefully inject that into them. And then Kris and Ralsei are negating us to become the self insert character we think Kris is It's all a fight over who needs to be who, and at the center of the circle there is Gaster who remains unaffected despite affecting everyone And another thing that makes me belive of this is that this theme is portrayed in the 3 main protagonists of Undertale (Chara, Asriel, Frisk) + 3 side characters in a minor and less emotional way(Mettaton, still Gaster, the Amalgamations) Maybe calling it just "losing yourself" would be reductive, it gotta have to do with a lot of other concepts like "choice" and "freedom". I don't think Toby Fox even thought in this way, he probably would disagree with what I said but to me it seems a theme he's attached to, but I am afraid I might be assuming too much about what Toby wants to express, so if everything is wrong, sorry👍👍
I think the most intriuging possibility here is definitely Kris trying to save Dess. It ties up all five main storyline elements of deltarune (the dark world stories, our control over kris, the secret bosses, gaster, and the Dess disappearance). I also think it gives Kris the best motive
Maybe Kris' quest for power is not just for themself. If that was the case, there wouldn't be any need to bring Susie along these adventures. I think Kris is trying to make other lightners more powerful too. In the Weird Route, Noelle grows stronger.
WAIT 9:04 So does that mean during ch2 snowgrave route when we don't see the confrontation between Noelle and Susie the soul got stronger and was able to overpower the need to see? (so does that mean). that we will have a sort of ALTERNATE ending ( I KNOW WHAT TOBY SAID) still fun to think about
Ralsei being Kris's desire to be a monster made manifest is a conclusion I came to myself too. It just makes too much sense and also combines with another theory that I have. That being that Kris is Deltarune version of the FALLEN HUMAN (commonly known as Chara) from Undertale. It lines up too perfectly. The FALLEN HUMAN and Kris are both the adoptive human child of the Dreemurr family, they're both androgynous looking, they're both not great people (at the end of he pacifist route in Undertale Asriel straight up says that the FALLEN HUMAN wasn't such a good person and Kris has been said to do downright bad things like vandalism), and they both seem to hate humans (Kris wants to be a monster and the FALLEN HUMAN wanted Asriel to kill the humans when they exited the barrier). Ralsei is in a way Kris's idealized version of themself. Ralsei is a boss monster like Toriel, Asgore, and Asriel, the horn prove that Kris wants to be a boss monster. Ralsei is very kind, social, sweet, and lovable, something that the possibly depressed/confused Kris wishes they could be too. Kris choosing to have to soul inside them also makes so much sense to me. First off "No one can choose who they are in this world" is a perfect line for Kris to say since if he had the choice he would have been a boss monster like his adoptive parents and brother. It also explains why Kris and Ralsei have secret conversation behind our backs, they're discussing the plants together, and it can also explain why Kris can act without the soul inside of them. But why do they want us to control them? I don't think we have the answer to that yet. Kris might either need us to achieve some goal, alternatively Kris might have prevented us from controlling the vessel because that would have been bad for some reason. I'm not sure if there is any evidence that suggests Kris doesn't have their own soul anymore. Pulling out the player soul might just be incredibly painful/damaging which could explain why they limp around. I also cannot recall where it says that only human souls can close the fountains. I think a human soul isn't required, a player controlled soul is required. Though this might partially be because I'm a staunch believer of the major difference between Deltarune lore and Undertale lore being that there is large difference between human and monster souls which meant no war between humans and monsters. Two details that come from my combined theory are. 1. If Kris is the Deltarune version of the FALLEN HUMAN then that means Kris is the FALLEN HUMAN'S real name, NOT Chara (which is a fan name). 2. If Ralsei is Kris's ideal self then this would add the slightly controversial detail that Kris is canonically male. No disrespect for anyone who prefers neutral gender pronouns meant here. It does line up nicely with Kris wanting to be called they instead of him due to an identity disturbance. Only instead of it being their gender identity it's their species identity.
As likely as it is that Kris is the knight, j think it would be cooler for a certain mystery man to be connected in some way. Paper trail comic really had one of the best gaster knight theories I've seen.
remember how Asriel used to be a flower? like an inanimate object with determination, although without a soul? My theory is: Ralsei has determination to persist as an inanimate object that can somehow travel into the light world through sheer determination. Thats probably how he knows about Load and Save, because he experienced it. Its also stated that any darkner can persist in his dark world because his fountain is made of pure darkness. And pure darkness is mentioned in the prophecy of the Roaring which indicates that fountains are dormant titans and if they are not sealed using determination, their power will spread and consume the light world. But for my theory to work, Ralsei must have survived a rumbling which is impossible as darkners will turn to stone and be shattered into dust (like the dusty cloudy things that we see in chapter 1 at the start of the darkworld). In conclusion, ralsei must have been some sort of ¨product¨ by the titans or the fountain of pure darkness which gave him the determination and the ability to load and save.
A lot of interesting ideas here- I don’t necessarily agree with a lot of them, but I do really like the idea of the “You don’t get to choose who you are in this world” being taken out of context. Especially if whoever creates Ralsei (Kris or not) ends it with “Your name is Ralsei”
hello i just wanted to say thank you so much for the content. i am watching this video with heart eyes in real life. as a former edgy nonbinary teenager i can back up your argument that kris is the one speaking after the player's creation gets discarded lol. if we ever get to see kris' personality when its out of our control, it'd be a lot more fun to play if they're just a weird angsty kid instead of some kind of epic stoic hero. also, i think it's most likely that kris took control of the soul to save dess, and that they might have known how to do this because of the occult lessons from catti. i could ramble for pages about this, but anyways i loved this video. im so happy i found this channel :D keep up the great work
i can't believe i've NEVER heard anyone claim the second narrator in the intro is Kris before. people always say it's Chara because of the japanese speech patterns. but it's totally possible that Kris just talks like Chara.
I think even if Kris isn't the knight, it's obvious that Toby Fox still wants us to make a connection between Kris and the knight. Its a total disservice to say the chapter 2 ending is a red herring. Obv a story is more compelling and there's a lot more to think about when you can compare and contrast the protagonist and antagonist. Personally I don't think kris is the knight but I am one hundred percent on board with exploring what connections there could be between the two (for examples, similar or contrasting motives, themes).
Pretty good, but I think you missed out one important thing: The Roaring Given the Cliffs including a bunch of titan symbolism, and the implications of Kris having made the closet dark fountain, what would this imply for the greater narrative of Deltarune?
The whole thing made sense, however I think the reason Kris is less significant is because Susie was supposed to be the main character, and we're playing from the perspective of the side character. There is a whole theory about this, and it's really interesting, yall should read into it.
Uhh u r looking over one important information if Ralsei was a darkener then why is it that he can't turn into stone in any other dark worlds like lancer and don't you dare say it was Kris without a perfect explanation on how And I hate to say it that one thing may have made this whole thing fall apart
well, most people just assume that Ralsei can exist in other dark worlds because he's from the supply closest dark world which is made of "pure darkness" and while that could very well be true I do have a different theory for it. so basically the darkeners turn to stone because they don't belong in the dark world but because of Ralsei's special connection with Kris they are able to exist in any dark world as long as Kris is in it with them, and the reason why all darkners can exist in the supply closest dark world is because its inside a supply closest, you can put anything in a supply closet and it wouldn't be out of place because the whole point of a supply closest is to store extra items. and Kris must have known this which is why they decided to use the supply closet as their dark world castle town, and its also the reason why they chose to use their head band to make a darkner to guide us through the darkworlds because they knew that the head band would create a special darkner that could exist in any dark world as long as they were together, basically Ralsei is never out of place as long as their with Kris because they belong to Kris. I did consider putting this in the video but it was one of the things that ended up being cut to make sure the video released on schedule.
so I talked a little bit about the other two Knight candidates in part 1 after the first end slate but the other candidates are father Alvin and Noelle's mom and as for the Spamton fight I already covered that in another comment but I will copy and paste it for your convenience So in the context of the story Kris still needs the soul in this moment because they need the soul to seal the fountain if Spamton where to steal the soul then Kris would be trapped in the dark world forever and also Spamton would have probably just killed Kris so its not like they don't have a reason for being upset and scared even without any metaphorical stuff But also within the context of the theory Kris has already had their soul stolen once before by Gaster and I can only imagine that, that event was very traumatic and so the panic attack was likely triggered by the similarities to the first event and as for Spamton being an analogy to Kris I think that is actually strengthened by the theory, so Spamton is an analogy to Kris in the sense that they both had the thing that they want at one point but it got taken away from them and now they are both trying to get back what they lost plus some, and in the same way that Spamton uses Kris to get what he wants, Kris uses Ralsei and Susie to get what they want, and when Spamton enact his plan into motion, going into the neo body is the same as when Kris takes the soul, and when Spamton goes in the Neo body he is still bound to wires a puppet on strings in the same way Kris is are puppet and keep in mind this is something they both chose to do and when Spamton fails it puts fear in Kris that their plan could end in the same way
i also thought that kris created ralsei and that he is the one who interrupt gaster's gonner making. also to kris knight deniers, in chapter 2 it is mentioned that kris is very tired that day. well of course he would be if he spent so much time at night slowly walking to the library and opening up a fountain there.
Yeah, Kris didn't look too good at the end of Chapter 1, and walking like that would take a while even for a short distance, so no wonder he needed the extra rest.
Kris was doing that to get Susie to go in first, Kris needs Susie to go in first, if they went in first Susie might not follow them in and Kris can't risk that so they can't go in until Susie does.
so timeloop theory is more or less the theory that the game is looping and that some of the characters are aware of this loop and there for know what's going to happen because they have already lived through it. there's a lot of different interpretations of timeloop theory with who is aware of the loop and how the loop works being a point of debate.
great theory, i just dont think it is reasonable to kris just ending up losing his soul, because of "gaster". there has to be something to it that we just dont know.
Lol timeloop isn't the only thing you mentioned in that list that's already in another piece of fiction, prophecy being fake but coming true anyway is also from a different piece of fiction.
Question, the Kingspade meet the roaring knight if kris this knight king notice kris why fight actually did is one thing I wonder the knight cannot be a darker or Lightner what if knight both lightner and darker only that be if monsters die he dust use object use , dark fountain that creates entity, who both power lighter and darker and entity he can go to any dark fountain, and never to stone he go light world created dark fountain
Here's my theory. Ralsei is kris's brother working together with Kris to get rid of us the player. That's y he talks to Kris multiple times with us. Never bashes us and gave us this "quest" to do. Something happened in kris's past we don't know yet
hey, this is a great theory and i agree with a good portion of it. but do you have any explanation for spamton talking about communion when referring to the knight? and why he seems to be suddenly silenced on the topic?
that's a great point at first I thought that it was just a matter of Kris threatening Spamton so he doesn't reveal any info about them that Kris doesn't want us knowing yet, but after taking a closer look at the scene I think there is a bit more to it so first off the communion line is just referencing the line before it where you ask spamton about himself "[[ Amazed at thi5 amazing transformation? you too can]] HAVE A [[Communion]] WITH [[Unintelligible Laughter]]" and this line is basically telling us that Spamton became who he is now from talking with Gaster and that we can be just like him if we talk with Gaster (we know that Gaster talked with Spamton and was the reason they went insane form the garbage noise line form the Addison) so what I think Gaster was going to say about the Knight was that they had a communion with Gaster as well, but Kris threatens him to get him to stop talking about the Knight so he doesn't reveal any info.
Also, on rewatch (yeah I'm bored). We can notice that Ralsei has pink cheeks. You know who else has Pink cheeks (when they were young)? Chara. You know who is Chara? Kris.
I have a question anout your second reason for why Kris needs power. Do you mean that they need to get their soul back from gaster, as in Gaster took their soul, and then used it to summon us, and now they need to get rid of us? And in the other version they just need a soul to get their original soul back? What I also don't understand is why Kris would create Ralsei at the same time they get our soul.
so Kris and Dess got gastered? Also I think Kris can live without a soul, but only for a while, that's why they always put it back - I think that makes sense
I kind of belive there are three people controlling Kris. I don't really want it to be true but this is what i think. I belive it's us and Kris and someone eles, although this theory sounds good and i do prefer it over my speculation the fact is i'm not convinced. When we controll Kris he moves somewhat normal or as normal a player character can, but when we are not in controll he moves awkward and shamler like a living corps, Kris clearly don't want us controlling him but if he can rip us out when why wouldn't he allow us back in, and the cage have been in his room for seemingly a long time and looks used, what i can only conclude is that there is a third precense that controlls him and then it awakens or controll him then it rips us out, it riped out Kris' original soul, and it's that which is the Knight using Kris. Think of it, we beggin to use Kris at day 1 somewhat normal and then this precense enters Kris and he beggins to shamble around as though it never had limbs before or are unused to having limbs
What's your explanation for Ralsei's weird shift in appearance at the end of Chapter 1? He essentially goes from someone who doesn't look much like Asriel or a Dreemurr at all to someone whose resemblance to Asriel even the characters remark on. If you look at the sprites, it's definitely not just a shadow cast by the hat and it's not even just the color. His shape changes as well to look more Dreemurr-like. I wonder what your take on that is.
I think it's meant to be a shadow and it just looks weird because of the art being weird, like a lot of Ralsei's art in game is inconsistent like his horns point in different directions in almost all of his sprites. I think its more of art error then a real plot point.
I'm not sure a single theory should explain the entire story, is the thing? It's a multi threaded story with many important characters, some of which we haven't met and aren't aware of their roles yet, possibly even some we haven't even heard of given how much of the story is still left to tell. And you straight up can't say Chapter 3's ending is an illogical gotcha that adds nothing to the story if Kris isn't the Knight because like. Obviously it's going to contribute to the story and Kris's character even if they're not the Knight? Otherwise it wouldn't be in the story. There are so many ways Kris's character could play out that we just aren't aware of yet because we don't have the full picture that Toby does. There's still 5 chapters of the story left, more than double of what we've played so far. Just because we can plot out how the story would work if Kris was the knight, and don't have enough information to plot out how the story would work if Kris wasn't, doesn't mean the story wouldn't work if Kris wasn't the Knight.
(I hope that I am right because I wrote this before watching the video )Don't you think it's pretty suspicious that all of the dark world people resemble something in the real world like card or castle but the only one is rals that don't have anything to resemble in the real world like an item And when Ralsi entered the cyber world you start asking how he didn't freeze like lance? I have a pretty crazy theory that Kris and Ralsi are one-person And here why Back then you know that Kris did ask his mother why he didn't have a tail or torn like his family And when you met also for the first time he knew a lot of things about you even though you hadn't met him before He can see things like your screen or items I think Ralsi and Kris are one-person I hope that is good theory
If Kris is the knight then how does Ralsei not recognize him? He somewhat does but he doesn’t know Kris is the knight. I’m pretty sure if Kris is the knight then Ralsei would have pointed this out.
Its a minor detail in the theory, he just tossed it out as a possible explanation to why kris lost his soul. I wouldn't discredit the whole theory for this.
I really like 99% of this video, but I don't understand why the "Kris knows they're in a video game" aspect was there, or what it was meant to add? "Kris got Gasterpilled (My Life Is Like A Video Game edition)" could easily be cut down to just "Kris got Gasterpilled"
That was to explain why Ralsei knows about the fourth wall, we know for a fact that Ralsei knows about the fourth wall so that needs to be explained and Ralsei being second hand Gaster pill by Kris is my answer for it.
this theory is really good but anything with gaster is a but ehhhh. like sure he may end up playing a big part i think it’s safer to not make any theories that involve him until we get a stronger appearance from him. we cant even fully confirm his appearance. also about the soul being in gasters bunker until recent. now kris being human and having a determination soul so could mean he could go on with out it in a way similar to flowey. im not sure if that could work because that would mean he wouldn’t have a connection to most emotions (but then again that kinda seems like kris from before the game potentially)
all I'm going say to this is go watch part 1 if your still not convinced then you can come back here and ask me any question you want and I'm sure I will have an answer for it.
@@blackchestnut nah i watched part 1 i just think its impossible for kris to be the knight because its a really obvious red herring it would just be bad writing and i know toby dont do like that LMFAO
@@mthedarkness3383 my evidence is not trust me bro my evidence is that im a writer and i know that making it super duper mega obvious that kris is the knight and then actually having him be the knight is extremely boring
@@penntopaper9305 So there's a lot of evidence that Kris is the knight and your evidence to debunk that claim is that your a writer, lmao. You do realize that Kris being the knight doesn't ruin the mystery about the knight. There is still a lot of things we don't know about the knight, or their motives.
I made a bit of a follow up video to this one were I cover a few things that I didn't have time to cover in this video th-cam.com/video/kHxBrvlCc8A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LVDUfgpt6XIuVH9Y
Fantastic theory! I'm now 100% convinced the full line is "Your name is Ralsei", and 90% sure Kris is the one talking. God damnit I can't wait for the full game
I really like how this theory doesn't try and make some wild claim to justify itself, so many times this fandom always thinks everything is a crazy conspiracy that needs to go into every way and not go anything like anyone expects, but in the end, Undertale itself was never a massive conspiracy, it just treated everything seriously, and ran it to its conclusion.
I've never seen anyone mention the fact that the supply closet dark-world had to have been made recently, since Noelle and Alphys still talk about it being a supply closet. Really good theory, subscribing ^^
I just thought castle town was ancient and only just breached into the supply closet from an underwater cave system.
Personally I think there's one true Dark World and every other is born from its malleable fringes.
The Grand Fountain could possibly change its terminus due to its power, and throw him across to another pocket of the Dark World
creating a massive consipracy is much more fun then doing an analysis's forever and labeling it theories. That is joy of theorizing, when you do some wild claims that make somewhat sense, but are fun to do.
You went absolutely wild with this theory and i'm absolutely here for it
I was intrigued but still skeptical with your first video, but you've convinced me that of this is where the story is going it will be very, very interesting. That part about Berdly saying 'Lackey' being highlighted is a point I've never seen anyone else address. I'm sure there will be plenty of twists and turns, but perhaps the answers to the biggest mysteries are right under the fandoms collective noses.
I think Ralsei being awfully similar to Asriel adds a bit more evidence to this theory. So if Ralsei is what Kris wishes to be like then it makes complete sense that he's similar to Asriel. This just means Kris looks up to or is jealous of Asriel, he is their older brother who has a bunch of trophies and stuff.
I like this theory, it’s nice how it doesn’t just go along with the very assumptions made by the fandoms and actually interprets the information given by the game in a rational way :D
The missing green crayons could be a Homestuck reference. There's a character in Homestuck that's implied to be an herbivore and is starving when introduced. He finds a box of chalk and eats the green ones since they're plant colored
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There also is the Green of the Felt, and Doc Scratch.
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 The Felt are made of felt though
Green felt. A Doc Scratch is also white, and like Lucifer. ANGELS.@@cgoose500
the chalks turn in to candy in the dark world
I have 1 big question about this theory: If Kris made Ralsei and his Dark World then how? Ralsei in chapter 2 after telling Susie what happened to Lancer refers to his Dark World's fountain as the "grand fountain" which is supposed to explain why all Darkners from different Dark Worlds can live there without turning into stone like Lancer & Rouxls did in Chapter 2. How does Kris make a GRAND dark fountain instead of a normal one???
In fact where did Ralsei's GRAND dark fountain come from anyway???
I've already responded to a similar question so I'm just going to copy and paste my response ok.
so basically the darkeners turn to stone because they don't belong in the dark world but because of Ralsei's special connection with Kris they are able to exist in any dark world as long as Kris is in it with them, and the reason why all darkners can exist in the supply closest dark world is because its inside a supply closest, you can put anything in a supply closet and it wouldn't be out of place because the whole point of a supply closest is to store extra items. and Kris must have known this which is why they decided to use the supply closet as their dark world castle town, and its also the reason why they chose to use their head band to make a darkner to guide us through the darkworlds because they knew that the head band would create a special darkner that could exist in any dark world as long as they were together, basically Ralsei is never out of place as long as their with Kris because they belong to Kris.
Ralsei's dark fountain is a "grand fountain" because of the location its in beside the special location there's nothing different about it to the other dark fountains
@@blackchestnut I guess I just misinterpreted Ralsei saying "Castle Town's Grand Fountain is made of pure darkness. As long as it stays flowing, any Darkner can live there." as meaning the grand fountain itself causing the allowance of any Darkner to live there
If Kris can completely live fine with the soul removed, why are they so panicked over the Spamton NEO fight? After the battle against Spamton, a puppet on strings that either breaks without attachments or explodes when his HP hits 0, Kris is visibly shaken up, which is widely considered to be a panic attack from realizing that the entire Spamton NEO arc is an analogy of their dependence on the soul and what could happen when the ties between us and them separate.
so this is a really great point to bring up because I think its really interesting and I don't think it hurts the theory at all if anything I think the scene makes even more sense in the context of the theory so let me explain my thoughts about it
So in the context of the story Kris still needs the soul in this moment because they need the soul to seal the fountain if Spamton where to steal the soul then Kris would be trapped in the dark world forever and also Spamton would have probably just killed Kris so its not like they don't have a reason for being upset and scared even without any metaphorical stuff
But also within the context of the theory Kris has already had their soul stolen once before by Gaster and I can only imagine that, that event was very traumatic and so the panic attack was likely triggered by the similarities to the first event
and as for Spamton being an analogy to Kris I think that is actually strengthened by the theory, so Spamton is an analogy to Kris in the sense that they both had the thing that they want at one point but it got taken away from them and now they are both trying to get back what they lost plus some, and in the same way that Spamton uses Kris to get what he wants, Kris uses Ralsei and Susie to get what they want, and when Spamton enact his plan into motion, going into the neo body is the same as when Kris takes the soul, and when Spamton goes in the Neo body he is still bound to wires a puppet on strings in the same way Kris is are puppet and keep in mind this is something they both chose to do and when Spamton fails it puts fear in Kris that their plan could end in the same way
Kris might just be shaken up because, despite needing us to be in control of them, he still really doesn't like it. And Spamton very graphically reminding Kris of his situation causes panic.
Or it might be that Kris doesn't really need us to be in control of them but forced us to be in control of them because the alternative (us controlling the vessel) is worse. So Kris is in a distressing situation and doesn't know if they'll ever get their full autonomy back, so Spamton hinting at this might cause Kris to panic.
Or Kris's ultimate goal might be to get on Gaster's level of power, so they're effectively God. But Spamton hints that even when reaching this ultimate goal they'll still not be free (just like Spamton who gets his NEO body just for him to realize that there's still strings attached to him and that "it's still dark").
@@blackchestnut To add to this, your theory also explains why Ralsei downplays what happened with Spamton. If Ralsei and Kris are both in on this Knight stuff, and Kris explained to Ralsei what Ralsei is and what he should do, then Ralsei wouldn't really understand the significance of the whole puppet strings metaphor, or not care that much about it.
@@blackchestnutJesus Christ dude use punctuation sometime
@@blackchestnutuhh... i did Snowgrave because i want Kris and Noelle to end up a Couple and this seems like the most likely way to do so.
I find it really interesting that the vast majority of the Fandom says that monsters are able to open fountains because "berdly was going to open one"
First of all, no, he wasn't GOING to open one, he was going to TRY and open one. We don't know if he would actually be successful. We don't know if all lightners possess enough determination to actually open fountains, because Queens knowledge was based solely on what she could observe, which was very little.
Funnily enough, the whole Ralsei stops berdly thing actually gives Kris a layer of plausible deniabilty
Can you explain why it gives Kris deniability?
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The simple fact that Ralsei stops Berdly before he can even try to make a fountain tacetly implies that Kris isnt the only person who can open fountains and that monsters are also able to open fountains, even though the established rule that carried over from undertale is that monsters dont typicaly have enough determination to use it for anything.
Imagine for a second that Ralsei is unconscious and doesn't stop Berdly, but when Berdly hits the ground, nothing happens.
If we saw Berdly fail to open a fountain, but Kris succeed, do you think anybody would ever rank someone like Alvin to be more likely to be the Knight than Kris?
@@krazyivan9733 i just think a dark world can be opened up in a dark world. Besids if Kris is the one opening the fountens then Berdly being willing with the posibility to have enguth determination to open one then it would excist without Kris permision
This theory was cool, I loved watching this! This makes perfect sense to me, and overall was great to see.
A little theory that I personally have is that the red headband is probably Ralsei, but maybe the green crayon could be the Ralsei dummy?
Your two videos basically 'sold' me the 'Kris Knight' theory! I came here though YT recommendations, and I can say for sure this is certainly one of the most consistent knight theories I have watched recently!
On another note, what you pointed out in the end about Ralsei never acknowledging the Knight is something I have noticed and pondered myself: one would think that, when supposedly facing a being that's capable to threaten the stability of the Universe by their actions, you would make your prime objective locating and neutralizing such being, but Ralsei barely even acknowledges the Knight's existence, nor even mentions him at least once. This is certainly very, very interesting...
PS: On the top of all of that, this also explains why Kris has a Save File before the Soul even enters the first Dark World...
As for why Kris would like to obtain more power, another possibility is that... they want to become a "big shot": they are clearly overshadowed by their brother, who displays a lot of trophies and achievements in his room and is known by pretty much everyone in town, while Kris is just an ordinary kid... In the end, perhaps, Kris wants to be, and quite literally in this case, the protagonist of his own story, and likely sees the Dark Worlds as the means to achieve that goal.
This is the most logical and concise Deltarune theory I've seen. You are a light in the murkiness that is Deltarune theories.
So much questions answered! I'm not fully convinced, but you kept my attention the whole time. Great video!
I feel like Ralsei might be some sort of "drawing" or maybe a part of some sort of story that kris has physically drawn/written as a child. I mean, we know that Kris is very attached to Asriel, and i feel like it would make sense for a troubled child like Kris to make some sort of "imaginary friend" that would look like a younger Asriel (maybe to subconsciously bridge the slight age gap between the two siblings), that would always be by their side, that would always understand them even if they don't express themself, and i mean, even the name "Ralsei" itself sounds like what a young child with a lack of imagination would name a personification of "Asriel". This "storybook theory" would explain why Ralsei seems so shocked when we go "off script" in the snowgrave route, and why he knows so much about kris and their emotions even though they never show them. This theory would explain why the "closet dark world" is so mysterious (e.g. why doesn't the dark crystal work there? Why are there no recognizable "items" that would be found in a closet?): because the knife that created the dark world hasn't hit the closet itself, but the literal, physical storybook; this would also explain why is there a floor made of written pages on the ground when we first enter the closet. I know this hasn't been the most well worded argument, but i hope to have been able to convey what i mean, and while i was writing this i realized that if this theory was true, then Ralsei would be somewhat like a slightly less mentally deranged version of freaking "sonichu" ffs
woah i absolutely love this idea. also the evidence that ralsei is kris' fursona is piling up lmao
Pure catharsis. Thank you for this video.
i really like this theory! everything fits together really nicely im excited to see what will happen in future chapters
Ok this is convincing but if Kris already designed Ralsei before Chapter 1, why does Ralsei Tea heal so little to Kris?
so I have thought about tea theory and how it works with the overall theory and I do think it actual supports the theory overall. so theirs two different ways to interpret it.
1. Kris still views Ralsei as an item and not their own person and Kris feelings toward him reflect this, Kris likes Ralsei in the same way you like your hat, because it keeps the sun out of your eyes, Kris likes Ralsei because he's useful but not in the same way you like your best friend.
2. Kris does view Ralsei as their own person but just doesn't consider them a close friend because at this point in the story Ralsei has only really exited as a person for about 3 days now and so Kris doesn't see Ralsei as a close friend yet because Kris doesn't really know Ralsei yet, and to be fair Ralsei doesn't really know himself yet either
I think as the story progresses and Ralsei goes through his character ark that Kris will grow to like Ralsei more and that the amount of health Ralsei tea heals Kris will go up as the game goes on
@@blackchestnut This really clears things up now, thank you
@@blackchestnuti agree.
Remember how ralsei asks Kris if they view him as a "lackey"?
Well, the player might view him as more than a lackey, but I get the feeling that in Kris's eyes, Ralsei is exactly that.
Admittedly I have my own considerations on this
If Ralsei is Kris's monstersona
Then there's a non 0% chance Kris has body dysphoria about being a human.
Anyone would feel mixxed seeing the person they want to be come alive and be an entirely seperate being. Awkward, envious, spiteful? Happy, admiring, the whole shebang.
Afterall as they say
You dont get to choose who you want to be in this world.
(This would also potentially turn into a further parrelel with Susie, there's some LIGHT signs Susie may want to pass off as a human. But it could just be abuse too at this point so Im not going too hard into that idea yet :X)
Plus queen told all the kids that determination is key to opening dark worlds. And that anyone could do it. This makes more sense because if queen needed someone to make dark worlds she would have targeted Kris instead of Noelle. Also making fountains has to be a universal thing that's not a trait of one specific person. Otherwise Ralsei would have no worries about Berdly using his halberd to make one in ch 2. He would've just ignored his attempt or scoffed at the idea. But he panicked likely because he knew he could do it and it would've likely killed them all considering they were already in a dark world. I don't believe there is enough conclusive evidence to claim kris is the knight or that only one person can make fountains...your theory is nice though.
Man i just found your channel and you killed it. I have had a bad taste in my mouth about the fandom talk / hate around the kris knight idea but could never articulate it. You did an excellent job.
And i appreciate that a large portion of your videos is presenting counterpoints to discuss. It is much better than most that just cherrypick
8:17 This actually blew my mind so hard, it's unreal
I officially hc this rn
To support this theory, I would also like to add how queen used *specifically* a knife to depict the knight opening up a fountain. We know that she has a video of the knight opening up the fountain, so she could have seen Kris do it with their knife and used it in her holographic powerpoint presentation
I remember playing the game for the first time and seeing the knife and automatically going "Oh my god that's Kris' knife that's what they were really doing the night before toriel's pie was a distraction" lol
I would also like to point out Kris' reaction to the spamton fight and all, and how they seem to absolutely hate being controlled by the player. I think us becoming Kris' soul was either an accident, a rushed decision, or something they deeply regret. It was all probably prepped up in a single night, since there is a glaring contradiction in the prophecy because it implies that the main dark fountain has always been there and needs to be kept active for the balance between light and dark, while also there being proof that there wasn't always a dark fountain in the closet
..wait I just realised that the theory about the prophecy being made up by kris to ralsei doesn't make much sense because if we choose to skip the exposition Lancer comes in and gives us a summary, implying that he also knows about it a bit. Uhhhhh
ANYWAYS. I think that Kris saw Dess being taken to a dark world, or at least they think it was a dark world, they becane obsessed with the occult as Catty confirms, found out about dark fountains, and decided to try to open them in random places to search for Dess. Maybe while opening the first dark fountain something went wrong, or they thought that getting an entity which could be reasonably considered a god on their side would be a good idea, or they caught gaster in the middle of his gastfuckery and decided to stop him, but they ended up getting a new soul or getting their soul controlled by the player, and now the gotta deal with that whole new can of worms
I love the sentence "they caught gaster in the middle of his gastfuckery", mainly the "gastfuckery" part lol. Gaster was prolly just chilling in the closet writing a ton of bepis jokes in the Undertale code, Kris walked in, and Gaster just cursed them for an experiment or a "y'know why not" thing
6:46 Personally don't think Kris willingly chose to have the Soul, and if they did it's a flipping Faustian bargain that they likely regret, or the alternative was death.
Also, I think the reason people think that Kris cant live without the Soul is probably a combination of
1: there's probably some negative consequence for removing the Soul (they do seem to move almost like their a zombie or something)
and 2: I feel like Kris would likely not want the Soul in them after snowgrave.
The soul did not just kill Berdly, but also flipping gas light/manipulated/traumatized their childhood friend. Some of the dialogue after Kris reunites with Susie and Ralsei seems to imply that Snowgrave likely traumatized Kris too, similar to their reaction in Spamton Neo (which implies that Kris very much does not like their puppet situation, probably fearing that without the Soul they'd end up like Spamton after his strings are cut.
If Kris would likely survive after removing their soul, I at least see them trying a lot more to try and warn their friends "hey! I'm being possessed by an entity that's dangerous! Keep me away from Noelle so it doesn't hurt her anymore!" or something...
Maybe Asriel ripped off the paper on the crayon and that's Ralsei's clothing
i've never seen anyone else i've agreed with more on the matters of theories, taking into account both logic AND the narrative and taking into account what would be most narratively satisfying . this and the kris knight video align exactly with my beliefs and it makes me stoked to see someone who agrees completely !! the one thing i didn't really consider the idea of kris being the one to put the soul in and the idea that they could be pursuing power, but when you explained it all it made SO much sense !!!!
personally i'm of the belief that if any of the possible theories as to why they would want power were to be true, it would be that kris is trying to save dess. the way the dess mystery is set up and the title of findher.ogg just absolutely seems to be setting up that dess NEEDS to be found, and it's our job to do just that.
I'm crying rejoicing right now I pretty much agree with everything you're saying and I'm so happy someone else said it!! Especially about the "no one gets to choose who they are in this world" speaker being Kris! It hadn't occurred to me that they might be talking TO RALSEI with that dialogue, though. Omg. I always assumed they were talking to themselves, like just lamenting emo dramatics. But saying it to Ralsei also feels extremely cool and befitting. Also gives a slight hint of disdain towards Ralsei, which I think is echoed in the way Kris reacts to Ralsei in game (Ralsei Tea doesn't heal them much, in general they just seem wary of Ralsei.) It would make sense, if maybe, Kris feels embarrassed by Ralsei since he's their old fursona, and maybe Ralsei acts like a childhood version of Kris too. So it's some disdain for themself, really.
YEAH
omigosh you've done it
you've made me a Kris knight-er
The only REAL things I don't like about this theory are that
1) Ralsei talks to Kris in the absence of the player in a way that makes it seem like he's explaining something Kris doesn't already know. And while you COULD argue "well, they were only pretending to talk that way to throw us off", but they could also just... *not* talk in front of the camera...
2) Ralsei and his Dark World are implied to be special (his fountain is made of "pure" darkness, allowing all Darkners to live there), so why would all other fountains made by the same person not also have that property?
3) This all hinges on the assumption that Kris IS the Knight, and while it is possible, there ARE other explanations that don't require there to be multiple Knights or even one SPECIFIC Knight. One such explanation is that the Knight is some other hyper-aware entity (like Gaster, but not specifically him necessarily) that ALSO has the power to control characters in this world like we do. If this WAS the case, it could mean they controlled characters to open the fountains, and THEY could even br the entity that interrupted Gaster and put us in Kris. They could even be controlling Kris in the instance where Kris removes the soul, rather than Kris themselves doing it. Another possible identity COULD be a group of characters, notably the Boom family, with their deep roots connected with the town history, religion (which connects to the sigil of the Deltarune and the Angel), and the fact that the first two Dark World locations were related to them (with the drawing by Father Alvin to Gerson in the unused classroom and the fact that Mrs. Boom clearly runs the library as per the fact that Berdly works shifts there and specifically describes it as his shift WITH Mrs. Boom, and she was apparently absent for some reason. You could argue that this means his shift with her was actually somewhere else entirely and she has not relationship with the library, but I think it would be a bit strange for Berdly to be working multiple jobs in a small town while in middle school or high school.. my best guess is that Berdly went to look for Mrs. Boom elsewhere, since she wasn't at the front desk when he looked. If this is the case, it explains why they have a relationship with the prophecy and access to all of these spaces). Point is, an assumption that Kris is the Knight definitely gives this theory some extra weight, but many other possibilities are still open that don't necessarily need to be all the easily debunkable ones like Papyrus and Undyne.
4) If the only reason Kris did it is for power... why make new dark worlds at all? I mean, he doesn't NEED to go on an adventure to either defeat or recruit darkners when at the end they just take all the stuff to castle town anyway. They could literally just bring it right from the start and do all that there, all without the need for our soul or dark fountains. It's a REALLY convoluted way to become more powerful when all of the middle steps could just be squeezed out.
One thing I DO like about the idea of Ralsei being the headband though is that it gives an explanation to how he follows us between dark worlds, and explains the connection to Asriel.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up the knife being ralsai's darkworld item. If kris brings his knife around with him at all times it would explain how ralsai got into the cyberworld dark fountain.
If it's true kriss is doing kira levels of manipulation
that's a really cool theory
Another great video.
A lot of people need to see this series, as the fandom really should know about this.
I didn't quite believe this theory at first, but y'know what, you've got me. Anyway, my own idea as to Kris's motivations is that Kris doesn't need the soul to live LITERALLY...but they need it to live METAPHORICALLY. Think about it: The soul, in most religions and philosophies and even in Undertale, is one of the most important things you can have. To be without a soul is to be empty, and in the case of Flowey, a soulless being, he was lost and afraid before all of his RESETs and both physically and psychologically cannot empathize with others no matter how hard he tries. If Kris is similar without their soul, then it would perfectly explain their motives: They either want their soul back, or they want to be able to have the soul you control without sacrificing their bodily autonomy. They want not to survive, but to LIVE.
And it enhances the narrative, as well! A big part of Kris's character is the idea of normality; that Kris isn't "normal". Bratty was surprised when Kris got her fries, the monster child behind the door asks if it hurts to be made of blood, etc. etc. Not having a soul/not having one someone else doesn't have control over is the perfect metaphor for that, in addition to being the only human in a town of monsters. Everyone has a soul.
Everyone except you.
And without that soul, you're empty, just like how you're empty without connection, without family and friends.
Wouldn't YOU want it back?
That POWER is Kris's goal AND the same points give POWER, it's such a good connection!
This is an incredible theory, honestly
Ties up lots of plot threads nicely and makes a lot of sense. In chapter 2 when you return to Castle Town, isn't it renamed to have your name that you put during the vessel creation sequence? Kris could have learned the name of the player after taking the soul during the creation sequence, and ordered Ralsei to rename Castle town after the events of chapter 1 was done. Or maybe Ralsei picked up on our name during chapter 1, somehow.
The only thing I'm unsure about is why Kris has a cage and wagon prepared in their corner of the bedroom, or why Toriel says "they do this sometimes" when Kris goes off to the bathroom to run the faucet for a while (and shove us in the sink cupboard).
I also don't know why they know how to rip us the soul out from themself in the first place, or why we don't have the control to free ourselves from Kris on our own accord, or why we seem to be "solid" and "trapped" when Kris throws us in the cage, shoves us in the sink, and shoves us in the sofa cushions. If they could just keep us trapped up until the end of a level and whip us out at the end to seal the fountain, I dunno if that would be easier for them or not, if they dislike being controlled.
Either way, this was fun to listen too!
toby fox has actually solved things beyond our comprehension and when the game ends ralsei will appear next to us in real life
Nice theory, I'm not really convinced, but I like the idea of Kris having created the pure fountain of darkness (but I don't think that means, they created the second and third one).
How I see it, this first fountain is way more complex to just have been created recently, since it would also disturb the balance of light and dark if we would seal that fountain, so it has to keep existing.
One issue I have with this theory is that I don't think Ralsei's knowledge of the dark world is a mystery that needs to be explained.
A few other things,
One thing that I never see getting adressed in any video involving Kris being the knight is, that Kris backs off from the supply closet, implying that they're scared of it.
The easy answer is, they're faking it, but I'm not a big fan of it.
I have yet to watch your other video, but, I don't think Kris opening only one fountain would make them a less important character, since there still is much to explore with this direction.
But I can understand where you're coming from with this, since I'm personally a fan of Dess being the knight, for basically the same reason of character agency.
Then I'm curious how the tea theory would fit into this one, or what I actually mean is, that Kris doesn't like Ralsei as much as the rest, and this being, because either he reminds them of the perfect version of themself that they think they're supposed to be but just aren't, and/or because Ralsei only cares about us and not Kris's wellbeing.
But again, overall nice theory.
So to address the point about Kris backing up, Kris was doing that to get Susie to go in first, Kris needs Susie to go in first, if they went in first Susie might not follow them in and Kris can't risk that so they can't go in until Susie does. so they were faking it but Susie's sake not ours. and as for the tea theory I have already addressed that in a previous comment
@@blackchestnut Ah, cool, I didn't know this interpretation yet. I'll look for the other comment. Thank you very much
this theory in combination with jaru's "asriel is dead" theory is fucking wild. Like i could really see it working. A genuine reason why kris is seeking power
What if...
Kris made Ralsei in their dream?
Susie DID tell Noelle that Dark Worlds a dream so it is possible.
even though I disagree with most of your theory, especially linking it all to kris, its still very well put together! props to you for explaining different possibilities and debunking other theories whilst also giving evidence for your own, and the editing and commentary to pull it all together - was very entertaining :)
hope you reach more than 1000 subscribers one day, if not tomorrow then maybe the next
Kris might be trying to gain power to gain freedom similarly to Spamton, or to overpower the player/the game also becoming free.
Picking up pieces of my blown mind.
This vid has been making me think a lot about the whole chapter 0 stuff, how theres evidence of a chapter 0 possibly being one of the chapters in deltarune, and how so much of this theory involves actions taken before chapter 1, which makes me think that if this theory is true (which i think that some form of it is), Chapter 0 is gonna be in the gane eventually and will detail Kris making ralsei and his dark fountain and stealing the soul and such.
My theory: Kris intercepted the soul connection and summoned us through some sort of occult ritual with Catti.
I think the ending of chapter 2 is a double red herring.
By making Kris-knight theory so blatantly obvious, it would make dedicated fans doubt it's integrity, thus outplaying even the dataminers and theorycrafters.
GOD WHAT TH EHECK AS SOON AS YOU HIT ME WITH THE VOICE THAT CUTS US OFF FROM GASTER IS *KRIS* I WAS LIKE
WAIT THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
LIKE ITS VERY CLEAR KRIS HAS IDENTITY ISSUES, FROM THE MIRROR INTERACTION TEXT TO THE HORN HEADBAND, TO THE BOOK WITH HUMANS IN IT
OF COURSE THEY WOULDNT WANT SOMEONE JUST CHOOSING WHO THEY ARE. BECAUSE THEY DIDNT GET TO
...and here i was tryna theorize about that voice being an entirely new character, one that talked to the secret bosses and told them that their choices dont matter... or that was following gaster around and cutting off his contact with them just like they cut off our contact with gaster...
oh i just continued watching and
...this, to you, is them creating ralsei? huh, interesting... gonna let that stir in my mind
Very interesting theory! I might have missed it if you addressed this (in which case just timestamp me and I'll try to pay more attention next time haha) but how does Ralsei get from the closet to the library? It can't be that Kris takes the horns in with them because you would see an additional sparkle when Lancer and Rouxls become darkners when you enter the cyber world
I love your voice, and your theory is pretty cool too! :).
I swear now everytime i see someone make a deltarune theory , they're essentially responses to a response,everyone talking about each other missing a point or something like that.I kinda noticed you tried your best to not leave everything unanswered,idk why,but i just noticed.prob because of physical evidence,not how almost every theory goes f*****g philosophical analyzing the meaning of the textboxes(basically reddit r/rant) outside of needed information just to make new insights and dismissing most analysing in terms of in-game evidence(objects,not textboxes,that game is already full of 'em)
I think the paper around the green crayon is Ralsei's clothes.
But what he is, sure he's able to survive in other dark worlds due to being from a dark world of pure darkness but, how did he travel from that dark world to the Cyber World? I think he's actually an object Kris had most of the time.
mostly cool theory but 7:32 was where you lost my interest it would make more sense if they learned about the prophecy or something I mean that wouldnt really make sense either but it would make more sense
and the fact that ralsei is nice to kris(I mean the soul) could be explained by kris telling ralsei to lead the soul to close the fountains and ralsei just doing them in his own way like how he tells the soul that their choices do matter and it is also kinda hinted by the fact that there is 1 ending but 2 cutscenes in chapter 1 (one being mean and one pacifist)
knowing an edgy nonbinary teenager just upped your credibility by 300%
Maybe Kris wants to get to Gaster so they can give up the knowledge of being in a game so they can live their life normally, and as I said in a comment in your past theory(that comment is way longer and a bit cringy) , maybe Gaster is doing all of this because he wants to regain his lost pieces.
This theory also gets a theme I talked about in that comment: "the lost of self"
Ralsei is what Kris would like to be, but Ralsei wants to be someone else. We, the player, created a vessel that we wanted our character to be, but Kris doesn't want to, so in the Snowgrave we forcefully inject that into them. And then Kris and Ralsei are negating us to become the self insert character we think Kris is
It's all a fight over who needs to be who, and at the center of the circle there is Gaster who remains unaffected despite affecting everyone
And another thing that makes me belive of this is that this theme is portrayed in the 3 main protagonists of Undertale (Chara, Asriel, Frisk) + 3 side characters in a minor and less emotional way(Mettaton, still Gaster, the Amalgamations)
Maybe calling it just "losing yourself" would be reductive, it gotta have to do with a lot of other concepts like "choice" and "freedom". I don't think Toby Fox even thought in this way, he probably would disagree with what I said but to me it seems a theme he's attached to, but I am afraid I might be assuming too much about what Toby wants to express, so if everything is wrong, sorry👍👍
Perhaps kris lost their soul when they created the grand fountain. Might be an incident or a sacrafice
I think the most intriuging possibility here is definitely Kris trying to save Dess. It ties up all five main storyline elements of deltarune (the dark world stories, our control over kris, the secret bosses, gaster, and the Dess disappearance). I also think it gives Kris the best motive
Maybe Kris' quest for power is not just for themself. If that was the case, there wouldn't be any need to bring Susie along these adventures. I think Kris is trying to make other lightners more powerful too. In the Weird Route, Noelle grows stronger.
WAIT 9:04 So does that mean during ch2 snowgrave route when we don't see the confrontation between Noelle and Susie the soul got stronger and was able to overpower the need to see? (so does that mean). that we will have a sort of ALTERNATE ending ( I KNOW WHAT TOBY SAID) still fun to think about
Ralsei being Kris's desire to be a monster made manifest is a conclusion I came to myself too. It just makes too much sense and also combines with another theory that I have. That being that Kris is Deltarune version of the FALLEN HUMAN (commonly known as Chara) from Undertale. It lines up too perfectly. The FALLEN HUMAN and Kris are both the adoptive human child of the Dreemurr family, they're both androgynous looking, they're both not great people (at the end of he pacifist route in Undertale Asriel straight up says that the FALLEN HUMAN wasn't such a good person and Kris has been said to do downright bad things like vandalism), and they both seem to hate humans (Kris wants to be a monster and the FALLEN HUMAN wanted Asriel to kill the humans when they exited the barrier). Ralsei is in a way Kris's idealized version of themself. Ralsei is a boss monster like Toriel, Asgore, and Asriel, the horn prove that Kris wants to be a boss monster. Ralsei is very kind, social, sweet, and lovable, something that the possibly depressed/confused Kris wishes they could be too.
Kris choosing to have to soul inside them also makes so much sense to me. First off "No one can choose who they are in this world" is a perfect line for Kris to say since if he had the choice he would have been a boss monster like his adoptive parents and brother. It also explains why Kris and Ralsei have secret conversation behind our backs, they're discussing the plants together, and it can also explain why Kris can act without the soul inside of them. But why do they want us to control them? I don't think we have the answer to that yet. Kris might either need us to achieve some goal, alternatively Kris might have prevented us from controlling the vessel because that would have been bad for some reason.
I'm not sure if there is any evidence that suggests Kris doesn't have their own soul anymore. Pulling out the player soul might just be incredibly painful/damaging which could explain why they limp around. I also cannot recall where it says that only human souls can close the fountains. I think a human soul isn't required, a player controlled soul is required. Though this might partially be because I'm a staunch believer of the major difference between Deltarune lore and Undertale lore being that there is large difference between human and monster souls which meant no war between humans and monsters.
Two details that come from my combined theory are.
1. If Kris is the Deltarune version of the FALLEN HUMAN then that means Kris is the FALLEN HUMAN'S real name, NOT Chara (which is a fan name).
2. If Ralsei is Kris's ideal self then this would add the slightly controversial detail that Kris is canonically male. No disrespect for anyone who prefers neutral gender pronouns meant here. It does line up nicely with Kris wanting to be called they instead of him due to an identity disturbance. Only instead of it being their gender identity it's their species identity.
As likely as it is that Kris is the knight, j think it would be cooler for a certain mystery man to be connected in some way.
Paper trail comic really had one of the best gaster knight theories I've seen.
remember how Asriel used to be a flower? like an inanimate object with determination, although without a soul? My theory is: Ralsei has determination to persist as an inanimate object that can somehow travel into the light world through sheer determination. Thats probably how he knows about Load and Save, because he experienced it. Its also stated that any darkner can persist in his dark world because his fountain is made of pure darkness. And pure darkness is mentioned in the prophecy of the Roaring which indicates that fountains are dormant titans and if they are not sealed using determination, their power will spread and consume the light world. But for my theory to work, Ralsei must have survived a rumbling which is impossible as darkners will turn to stone and be shattered into dust (like the dusty cloudy things that we see in chapter 1 at the start of the darkworld). In conclusion, ralsei must have been some sort of ¨product¨ by the titans or the fountain of pure darkness which gave him the determination and the ability to load and save.
A lot of interesting ideas here- I don’t necessarily agree with a lot of them, but I do really like the idea of the “You don’t get to choose who you are in this world” being taken out of context. Especially if whoever creates Ralsei (Kris or not) ends it with “Your name is Ralsei”
hello i just wanted to say thank you so much for the content. i am watching this video with heart eyes in real life. as a former edgy nonbinary teenager i can back up your argument that kris is the one speaking after the player's creation gets discarded lol. if we ever get to see kris' personality when its out of our control, it'd be a lot more fun to play if they're just a weird angsty kid instead of some kind of epic stoic hero. also, i think it's most likely that kris took control of the soul to save dess, and that they might have known how to do this because of the occult lessons from catti. i could ramble for pages about this, but anyways i loved this video. im so happy i found this channel :D keep up the great work
i can't believe i've NEVER heard anyone claim the second narrator in the intro is Kris before. people always say it's Chara because of the japanese speech patterns. but it's totally possible that Kris just talks like Chara.
oh my god now that you've said it it makes SO much sense, like why *wouldn't* kris talk like chara ????
I think even if Kris isn't the knight, it's obvious that Toby Fox still wants us to make a connection between Kris and the knight. Its a total disservice to say the chapter 2 ending is a red herring. Obv a story is more compelling and there's a lot more to think about when you can compare and contrast the protagonist and antagonist.
Personally I don't think kris is the knight but I am one hundred percent on board with exploring what connections there could be between the two (for examples, similar or contrasting motives, themes).
Pretty good, but I think you missed out one important thing: The Roaring
Given the Cliffs including a bunch of titan symbolism, and the implications of Kris having made the closet dark fountain, what would this imply for the greater narrative of Deltarune?
The whole thing made sense, however I think the reason Kris is less significant is because Susie was supposed to be the main character, and we're playing from the perspective of the side character. There is a whole theory about this, and it's really interesting, yall should read into it.
Uhh u r looking over one important information if Ralsei was a darkener then why is it that he can't turn into stone in any other dark worlds like lancer and don't you dare say it was Kris without a perfect explanation on how
And I hate to say it that one thing may have made this whole thing fall apart
well, most people just assume that Ralsei can exist in other dark worlds because he's from the supply closest dark world which is made of "pure darkness" and while that could very well be true I do have a different theory for it.
so basically the darkeners turn to stone because they don't belong in the dark world but because of Ralsei's special connection with Kris they are able to exist in any dark world as long as Kris is in it with them, and the reason why all darkners can exist in the supply closest dark world is because its inside a supply closest, you can put anything in a supply closet and it wouldn't be out of place because the whole point of a supply closest is to store extra items. and Kris must have known this which is why they decided to use the supply closet as their dark world castle town, and its also the reason why they chose to use their head band to make a darkner to guide us through the darkworlds because they knew that the head band would create a special darkner that could exist in any dark world as long as they were together, basically Ralsei is never out of place as long as their with Kris because they belong to Kris.
I did consider putting this in the video but it was one of the things that ended up being cut to make sure the video released on schedule.
@@blackchestnut you're a frickin genius lol
This is really cool! Although, who're the other two Night candidates from Part 1 and what of Kris's reaction post-Spamton fight?
so I talked a little bit about the other two Knight candidates in part 1 after the first end slate but the other candidates are father Alvin and Noelle's mom and as for the Spamton fight I already covered that in another comment but I will copy and paste it for your convenience
So in the context of the story Kris still needs the soul in this moment because they need the soul to seal the fountain if Spamton where to steal the soul then Kris would be trapped in the dark world forever and also Spamton would have probably just killed Kris so its not like they don't have a reason for being upset and scared even without any metaphorical stuff
But also within the context of the theory Kris has already had their soul stolen once before by Gaster and I can only imagine that, that event was very traumatic and so the panic attack was likely triggered by the similarities to the first event
and as for Spamton being an analogy to Kris I think that is actually strengthened by the theory, so Spamton is an analogy to Kris in the sense that they both had the thing that they want at one point but it got taken away from them and now they are both trying to get back what they lost plus some, and in the same way that Spamton uses Kris to get what he wants, Kris uses Ralsei and Susie to get what they want, and when Spamton enact his plan into motion, going into the neo body is the same as when Kris takes the soul, and when Spamton goes in the Neo body he is still bound to wires a puppet on strings in the same way Kris is are puppet and keep in mind this is something they both chose to do and when Spamton fails it puts fear in Kris that their plan could end in the same way
@@blackchestnut thanks for the explanation and WOW! This just makes your theory even more awesome! Can't wait to see what comes next!
i also thought that kris created ralsei and that he is the one who interrupt gaster's gonner making. also to kris knight deniers, in chapter 2 it is mentioned that kris is very tired that day. well of course he would be if he spent so much time at night slowly walking to the library and opening up a fountain there.
Yeah, Kris didn't look too good at the end of Chapter 1, and walking like that would take a while even for a short distance, so no wonder he needed the extra rest.
i really like this take but... why do you think kris steps away from the closet in ch1?
Kris was doing that to get Susie to go in first, Kris needs Susie to go in first, if they went in first Susie might not follow them in and Kris can't risk that so they can't go in until Susie does.
I've never actually heard Timeloop theory. Could someone give me a quick summary?
so timeloop theory is more or less the theory that the game is looping and that some of the characters are aware of this loop and there for know what's going to happen because they have already lived through it. there's a lot of different interpretations of timeloop theory with who is aware of the loop and how the loop works being a point of debate.
@@blackchestnut Oh, that’s cool.
1:20 Actually, I would call Ralse's clothes cyan colored.
counterpoint, it could turn deltarune into higurashi. And I’ve already read higurashi
Ok it not too bad
Okay, so if your theory is correct, why is Kris gaining power?
What is their end game?
who is the Angel and why does their ""heaven"" need to be banished?
one of the five reasons they give
@@lotspire
So Kris gains power
So why?
Break free from us, probably?
great theory, i just dont think it is reasonable to kris just ending up losing his soul, because of "gaster". there has to be something to it that we just dont know.
If Ralsei being cute is really just to manipulate me I'm gonna cry 😔😔😔😔
Lol timeloop isn't the only thing you mentioned in that list that's already in another piece of fiction, prophecy being fake but coming true anyway is also from a different piece of fiction.
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Question, the Kingspade meet the roaring knight if kris this knight king notice kris why fight actually did is one thing I wonder the knight cannot be a darker or Lightner what if knight both lightner and darker only that be if monsters die he dust use object use , dark fountain that creates entity, who both power lighter and darker and entity he can go to any dark fountain, and never to stone he go light world created dark fountain
Ralsei is Kris's shirt also
Here's my theory. Ralsei is kris's brother working together with Kris to get rid of us the player. That's y he talks to Kris multiple times with us. Never bashes us and gave us this "quest" to do. Something happened in kris's past we don't know yet
hey, this is a great theory and i agree with a good portion of it. but do you have any explanation for spamton talking about communion when referring to the knight? and why he seems to be suddenly silenced on the topic?
that's a great point at first I thought that it was just a matter of Kris threatening Spamton so he doesn't reveal any info about them that Kris doesn't want us knowing yet, but after taking a closer look at the scene I think there is a bit more to it
so first off the communion line is just referencing the line before it where you ask spamton about himself "[[ Amazed at thi5 amazing transformation? you too can]] HAVE A [[Communion]] WITH [[Unintelligible Laughter]]" and this line is basically telling us that Spamton became who he is now from talking with Gaster and that we can be just like him if we talk with Gaster (we know that Gaster talked with Spamton and was the reason they went insane form the garbage noise line form the Addison) so what I think Gaster was going to say about the Knight was that they had a communion with Gaster as well, but Kris threatens him to get him to stop talking about the Knight so he doesn't reveal any info.
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Also, on rewatch (yeah I'm bored). We can notice that Ralsei has pink cheeks. You know who else has Pink cheeks (when they were young)? Chara. You know who is Chara? Kris.
It seems a little convoluted to be honest, but from your theory I now think that ralsei was perdonally made by the knight, whoever he is
I have a question anout your second reason for why Kris needs power.
Do you mean that they need to get their soul back from gaster, as in Gaster took their soul, and then used it to summon us, and now they need to get rid of us?
And in the other version they just need a soul to get their original soul back?
What I also don't understand is why Kris would create Ralsei at the same time they get our soul.
so Kris and Dess got gastered?
Also I think Kris can live without a soul, but only for a while, that's why they always put it back - I think that makes sense
I kind of belive there are three people controlling Kris. I don't really want it to be true but this is what i think. I belive it's us and Kris and someone eles, although this theory sounds good and i do prefer it over my speculation the fact is i'm not convinced. When we controll Kris he moves somewhat normal or as normal a player character can, but when we are not in controll he moves awkward and shamler like a living corps, Kris clearly don't want us controlling him but if he can rip us out when why wouldn't he allow us back in, and the cage have been in his room for seemingly a long time and looks used, what i can only conclude is that there is a third precense that controlls him and then it awakens or controll him then it rips us out, it riped out Kris' original soul, and it's that which is the Knight using Kris. Think of it, we beggin to use Kris at day 1 somewhat normal and then this precense enters Kris and he beggins to shamble around as though it never had limbs before or are unused to having limbs
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What's your explanation for Ralsei's weird shift in appearance at the end of Chapter 1? He essentially goes from someone who doesn't look much like Asriel or a Dreemurr at all to someone whose resemblance to Asriel even the characters remark on. If you look at the sprites, it's definitely not just a shadow cast by the hat and it's not even just the color. His shape changes as well to look more Dreemurr-like. I wonder what your take on that is.
I think it's meant to be a shadow and it just looks weird because of the art being weird, like a lot of Ralsei's art in game is inconsistent like his horns point in different directions in almost all of his sprites. I think its more of art error then a real plot point.
@@blackchestnut I really don't think something like that can happen by accident.
I'm not sure a single theory should explain the entire story, is the thing? It's a multi threaded story with many important characters, some of which we haven't met and aren't aware of their roles yet, possibly even some we haven't even heard of given how much of the story is still left to tell. And you straight up can't say Chapter 3's ending is an illogical gotcha that adds nothing to the story if Kris isn't the Knight because like. Obviously it's going to contribute to the story and Kris's character even if they're not the Knight? Otherwise it wouldn't be in the story. There are so many ways Kris's character could play out that we just aren't aware of yet because we don't have the full picture that Toby does. There's still 5 chapters of the story left, more than double of what we've played so far. Just because we can plot out how the story would work if Kris was the knight, and don't have enough information to plot out how the story would work if Kris wasn't, doesn't mean the story wouldn't work if Kris wasn't the Knight.
(I hope that I am right because I wrote this before watching the video )Don't you think it's pretty suspicious that all of the dark world people resemble something in the real world like card or castle but the only one is rals that don't have anything to resemble in the real world like an item
And when Ralsi entered the cyber world you start asking how he didn't freeze like lance?
I have a pretty crazy theory that Kris and Ralsi are one-person
And here why
Back then you know that Kris did ask his mother why he didn't have a tail or torn like his family
And when you met also for the first time he knew a lot of things about you even though you hadn't met him before
He can see things like your screen or items
I think Ralsi and Kris are one-person
I hope that is good theory
He yea right ok just that ok thank you for the good work
If Kris is the knight then how does Ralsei not recognize him? He somewhat does but he doesn’t know Kris is the knight. I’m pretty sure if Kris is the knight then Ralsei would have pointed this out.
Maybe he's pretending not to know him.
Part one was better. When you started "using gaster as explanation without hard evidence" yourself the theory just slowly lost me.
Its a minor detail in the theory, he just tossed it out as a possible explanation to why kris lost his soul. I wouldn't discredit the whole theory for this.
Ralsei is actually a nazi spy
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I really like 99% of this video, but I don't understand why the "Kris knows they're in a video game" aspect was there, or what it was meant to add? "Kris got Gasterpilled (My Life Is Like A Video Game edition)" could easily be cut down to just "Kris got Gasterpilled"
That was to explain why Ralsei knows about the fourth wall, we know for a fact that Ralsei knows about the fourth wall so that needs to be explained and Ralsei being second hand Gaster pill by Kris is my answer for it.
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this theory is really good but anything with gaster is a but ehhhh. like sure he may end up playing a big part i think it’s safer to not make any theories that involve him until we get a stronger appearance from him. we cant even fully confirm his appearance.
also about the soul being in gasters bunker until recent. now kris being human and having a determination soul so could mean he could go on with out it in a way similar to flowey. im not sure if that could work because that would mean he wouldn’t have a connection to most emotions (but then again that kinda seems like kris from before the game potentially)
this WOULD be convincing if it wasn't extremely unlikely for kris to be the knight tbh tho i agree with some parts
all I'm going say to this is go watch part 1 if your still not convinced then you can come back here and ask me any question you want and I'm sure I will have an answer for it.
@@blackchestnut nah i watched part 1 i just think its impossible for kris to be the knight because its a really obvious red herring it would just be bad writing and i know toby dont do like that LMFAO
@@penntopaper9305 evidence? Trust me bro.
@@mthedarkness3383 my evidence is not trust me bro my evidence is that im a writer and i know that making it super duper mega obvious that kris is the knight and then actually having him be the knight is extremely boring
@@penntopaper9305 So there's a lot of evidence that Kris is the knight and your evidence to debunk that claim is that your a writer, lmao.
You do realize that Kris being the knight doesn't ruin the mystery about the knight. There is still a lot of things we don't know about the knight, or their motives.