Is This $3200 Unicycle Worth It?! King Song S22 - 6 Week Final Review
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Another excellent, unbiased review. Thank you, sir! Fingers crossed for those improvement recommendations to come to fruition in the production model. 🤞🏼
I really like the idea of suspension on EUCs. Also love the lights.
It really is so dope! I can tell you since I did a lot of riding while helping him with this, that it straight feels like you have superpowers on top of the fact that EUC's already give you that feeling :)! I don't know if you ride euc's already but this was just a much needed addition to them.
I think the Firmware is throttling the power while climbing, to protect the circuitry. I hope this will be fixed in the production model.
That's exactly what it is. If you watch the King Song guy Jacks personal review he says the designers limit the throughput to protect the moffets. Hopefully the moffets get upgraded.
I think they just overreacted to the prototype that blew up and are limiting all these early models so they don't get that kind of bad press.
i really love your channel, i'm French and your area seems like paradise, it's beautiful !
Yes, you are right, it struggles (Fails) any sort of incline, which is unfortunate as I am beset by hills.
I thank you for the tip about Alien Rides bumper.
Great review as always! Tons of details so many of us need so we can decide whether this one is right for us. It certainly looks like it is.
@GingerOnWheels , That was a awesome review ginger! I am still trying to process how great this video is!
Thanks man! I like your content, too.
As someone who is 6’5 225lbs I cannot say thank you enough! I am and have been doing A LOT of research into a EUC and this helped me so much! Thank you! Still have not made up my mind as to which one is good for my height and weight but this did help! I will now be looking at your other reviews! Thank you and keep it up! 👍
100% the master with a heavier replacement coil shock
Don’t be concerned with your weight. I weigh the same as you and never had an issue.
Definitely a bit tricky, I'm 6' 2" & 235lbs & it seems nothing is made for big dudes anymore.
Great review Ryan. Glad you liked the S22. We really think it makes a great all around wheel for most skilled riders.
Can't wait 🤘 🙌 😍
Glad to see I’m not the only rider who has a little weight to put on these wheels lol. I really enjoyed my ride on the S20
The wheel looks visually amazing. I'm still thinking about getting my First EUC and I'm not in the market for this one but it might become a goal in the future.
Thanks for an excellent review - I can’t wait to get mine
Nice review!
Thanks for demonstrating the limits in torque on camera also.
I feel like I can over-torque every wheel if I want to, being lighter at 160 lb. At least each I've tried so far.
Could you make a torque comparison between the wheels you have in the same scenario? Maybe published as a short.
I can do it with the RS with Molicel litech packs and the Sherman max with litech packs, but I sent the S22 back to Alien already 😬
I like all the looks you get from people when you go by them.. !!!!
Great review and you look great in the Armored Performance Hoodie we sent you from Lazyrolling. Even though I have seen quite a few Master reviews now and the Master has been on my radar for quite a while... this wheel is no doubt interesting. Although my primary use would be doing insane donkey stuff... most reviewers and testers mention the lack of low end torque and climbing ability which will hopefully be improved.
Yeah the Lazyrolling gear is legit. That performance hoodie is super breathable and has pads in all the right places.
What are your favorite areas to go riding in the Seattle/WA area? Im a newer rider, really enjoying your content!
There are trails all over the Eastside of Lake WA. But the longest most fun route is definitely the Burke Gillman trail from Redmond to Shilshole Marina.
We need production model reviews.. I won’t pull the trigger until I see what they did with the frame sliders.
You should call this channel the one wheeled soul stealer!
Awesome review
Bud I get everything you're saying "cept the 'hard to get goin". My ex s18 also went almost every trail I want 'cept it was hard to get goin' esp when the goin gets tough. Meanwhile my ride bud just smokes me up the same trails/cliimbs on his RSt. That's when the lightbulb flashed that I need torque. Big torque = Big fun. I like the s22's design for sure but I think the Master is well, the master of my universe 😁
No suspension though
@@BigBoss-gb4cx ? The Master has suspension
Master is Begode, that kills everything good :)
Great review! If Kingsong doesn't fix the lack of torque then this wheel is gonna suck :(. I have a S22 and Master pre-ordered from ewheels, both with Samsung 40T cells. You said the lack of additional parallel cells is a cause for lack of power.... as I'm sure you likely know that's a huge oversimplification, and by putting Samsung 40T cells in the wheel that problem is completely avoided as a single 40T cell can put out about 3 times as much power a single LG M50T (or M50LT). There is massive confusion in the EUC community about batteries and I believe the problem is made worse every time we oversimply a problem - it causes others who don't understand what is going on to repeat the oversimplifications which are typically wrong when used outside of their original context.
Discharge rate of the cells won't do anything if the control board isn't asking for more amps than it currently does. The bottleneck is the firmware.
@@GingerOnWheels I agree, but more cells in parallel won't solve it either. We don't know yet if the 40T version will be more powerful (the molicel P42A S18 is more powerful without a firmware update). We also don't know if kingsong have a fix for the lack of torque for the final version using M50LT cells.
@@YourAubsome I'd be very surprised if the production wheels had more torque.
@@GingerOnWheels you could be right. The S18 is severely underpowered.... but KingSong still advertise it has having a 2200 watt motor, which is the same as the V11... However the V11 has far more power (I've own both and have tested side by side many times). The point is KingSong has a history of releasing underpowered wheels and claiming that they produce more power than they do 😢
if controllers output is the same as LG M50T, theres no point of getting 40T, every piece (controller, bms and motor) should be adequate
Very comprehensive review bud.
I want one , but gonna fix up my S18, then sell it later lol
Good plan
Thanks for the detailed review! Liked and subscribed.
It makes you look like a super hero lol. It would definitely be weird as a driver seeing someone standing still and moving that fast lol. Like am I seeing something?
Isn't this still a pre-production?
Is this the Shinko 244 tire? I'm looking for a tire that's good off road but still capable on road and quieter than the CST 186 or Shinko 241
hello, can you I find the STL file of the bumper? thank you
This is not the sexiest wheel but it is the most sexiest looking wheel. The s22 is a particular wheel that will have it’s fans but has no sustenance for a lot of riders. We’ll see what they do with the new variant but I’m not too confident(no confidence in KS).
Love the channel, and I’m now your newest patron!! Keep up the good work bud, love your videos 👍
I saw I got a new one today, thanks so much for the support and keeping the channel alive!
Hello, can you tell me what pants you use? Thanks !
Very cool, thanks for the review.
2:38 don’t you mean the off-road tyre increases the turning radius?
hope they fix wheels mistakes on s23, like killswitch, charging port locations, improve suspension sliders and make good display, not that pathetic led matrix
If the device stop working at 20% battery it's caused by a cut-off protection. Because most rechargeable batteries if got drained down to 0% it will damage the battery and you won't be able to recharge them again.
Generally true, but not in this case. On every other EUC you can ride down to 0% (which is still around 20% charge). This is just a case of bad firmware in a preproduction wheel.
Yes probably, they should not report the 20% gap.
Ginger I'm so thankful to find you. You weigh more than I do but I'm about 210 and was concerned about getting an S22 because of my weight. Any tips for heaviee riders?
Not really any specific for heavy riders. Make sure you get some aftermarket pads like kenetic, or grizzla, and then proceed to full send. 🤘
@@GingerOnWheels lol
How's this for a first(ish) wheel? (I'm a Onewheeler but more importantly I found a cheap MTen3 that should arrive soon, so I should have the basics of EUCing down before ordering)
The kind of riding I do though, I definitely want suspension on my first daily driver and I think I've narrowed my wishlist down to v11 or this s22. I flat out LIKE the s22 so much more than the v11 on paper, but I'm a little worried about its durability; are low speed learner tips and falls going to break all these bits poking out from the wheel?
I have a bad knee, so I'm out of the game, but I'd be safe to say a Uni that costs $3200 better bo good !
Hello GingeronWheels! Good day from Australia, i am wondering if you can get your hands on a Bolzzen Commando for a review?
Hopefully you will do a review of the EX20s, My next wheel. A sherman with suspension.
I would love that.
Can we go back to using the name S20 plz? It's a 20 inch tire.
Hey there! I love this video. Have you considered getting a onewheel?
So for all that money, you don't get a smart BMS, you get poor control from the pads, no "official' waterproof rating. I've heard KS are more interested in invester returns then putting out the best product they can.
Can you review and test the apollo phantom? And Ghost?
Wonder why speed limits were created. To protect cars, or protect people.
Like those on sidewalks….
Yup
Besides initial unlock and firmware updates do you need the kingsong app to use this wheel?
I had to get a new phone and euc world would not connect to my wheel (kingsong 16s) without first using the kingsong app. I tried several times. But the kingsong app connected immediately and then euc world worked. I've never done any firmware updates yet, so I'm wondering if euc world will do it. I'm just sharing because I'd bet that this new wheel is the same. I could be wrong though
I think you do have to have a King Song account to use their app. I'm so sorry, I don't remember exactly... after the first time I think you can just use the Soft Tuner app. That's where all the S22 firmware updates were from. IIt shows accurate battery percentage, and voltage too.
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, An excellent video, thanks for sharing it!
What specifications do I need for off road & hill unicycle riding?
Something with a high torque motor c38, not c30. Really the best wheels for off-road right now are the RS19 , and the Master. S22 does okay but is a bit harder to manage for newer riders.
That's funny am also coming from an RS torque and the s23 feels like it has 0 torque in comparison
YO YO YO !!! Help me ! When this wheel arrives to shops ?? Ive preordered it for 2800.
Thanks for the review. Do you happen to know the dimensions of this thing? Didn’t see a lot of information in the link you provided thanks
Shoot, I never measured it exactly and already returned the demo wheel. I wanna say 27" tall, 13" wide and 22" front to back but I may be off a bit on that. If you shoot Alien Rides an email I'm sure they can tell you. Link to their site is in the description of this video.
Any update if they fixed the issue that you found on it ?
Which issue? There have been no major updates since this video that I know of.
Good vid, BUT
What I REALLY WANNA KNOW is: What happened to the WEPED? We saw a video that showed awesome speed, then NOTHING! Can’t even find that video anymore. What gives????
It got sent back to ewheels for repair then their whole warehouse burned to ashes... 10k worth of weped, up in flames. Sad but true😔
great review . you covered EVERYTHING . what protective gear do you wear ?
Please review the vsett 11+ super 72!!!!!!
Any one wheel to recommend for a beginner?
does anyone know if the 40t cells are confirmed ?
Do you know that there are fake Kingsong S22s around? Original Kingsongs are made by Kingsong Intell Co, but I noticed that there are some S22s that seemed a bit different from the units being reviewed by the major pev youtube channels such as yourself, and are being sold quite a bit cheaper, like the one on ewheelsthailand
On that site it's still about $2600usd. Shipping from China to Thailand is cheap, they are neighbors. Cost of labor in the US is more expensive too for people running the sites behind the scenes. I'm not saying that site is for sure legit, but the price doesn't seem too far fetched.
@@GingerOnWheels shipping is cheap, but the tax on imports are really high. I saw the exact S22 on Alibaba with the purple trims listed by a different manufacturer. Problem with China is, when they see a popular product, they tend to copy it and try to sell it for almost as much as the genuine ones, but you can see the shocks used are totally different, so there's no guarantee on the quality of controllers and batteries that they use, but they still try to use stock images from the original product. Not sure if the Thai retailer is aware they're carrying a replica or intentionally doing it. From what I can tell so far, the ones sent to most/all of the YT reviewers are genuine S22s from Kingsong. Then again, the listed range of the replica on the Thai retailer's website is 200km, which is highly unlikely, and probably a dead giveaway. Unfortunately they're also the only retailer offering S22s in Thailand, albeit fake ones 😒
Hi ginger. I needed some tips I got a vsett 10+ 3 weeks ago and I already got 3 flats. I weight 180 normal speed 25-30 I also don't use it aggressively I just use it for school and work
Make sure your PSI is around 40, tube isn't getting pinched on install (coating the tube with talcum powder helps for this), tire is seated properly, and use a product like Slime or Armor-dilloz and/or a tire liner.
@@GingerOnWheels okay thank you so much big fan btw
outstanding vid!
hello i have a question. so i have a el scoter with 48 volt and 1000 watt but it is very slow. it tops out af 25 kmh on a straight road i weight 80kg. the speed limiter is also removed do you know why?
I'm assuming you've checked all the speed settings and advanced settings? If so my guess would be a faulty controller.
@@GingerOnWheelshi thank you for the response:) yes i have checked all the speed settings but my friend also has the same scooter and the same problem. could it be the battery too?
I just noticed what those fins look like...
Teeth 😬
My first real unicycle!(first one was a cheap plastic one as a kid th-cam.com/users/postUgkx4e2fa6x27dF7shCelntq0ZIKt4N0jELI I never learned to ride)So, this is a true learner, and for a C note, exactly what was needed. After a few weeks, I'm able to easily ride up and down the street. The Good: Solid frame. Has absorbed numerous spills through learning and still solid. Look - great looks, after 6 weeks of bashing Weight - it's really all tire, but as I fall I can easily grab the seat so it doesn't slam the ground. Size - Very adjustable. I'm 6', 33" inseam. I put it mostly up, but could go a bit higher if I needed to. The Bad: Not sure if it's out of the norm, but seat got scraped up quickly. Pedals - they are a bit uncomfortable and I can't get the right feel on my feet. But, they are solid and haven't been damaged at all as I've seen in reviews on other cycle's.- To address one comment about the seat connection not straight. Huh? Seat is on a round pole, you just turn it and it's straight. Either of the bad I expected to replace once I improved. I'd recommend to anyone else in the learning phase.
Say hello to buying a new set of battery box/ suspension sliders every so often. The more they get scored up from dirt and grit getting in there the more you're riding what is basically a non suspension wheel. It won't matter how many plastic sliders you throw at it with its inherent bad design this wheel will only be good when it's new
Yay Ginger!!
Thanks for guest starring 😀
@@GingerOnWheels 🙏🙏 you Ginge
Not to mention the low battery capacity, The stupid charging port location, The fragile lights and kickstand that have been broken off of every unit I have seen, The lack of torque, useless screen, Stupid friction trolley handle,really not worth u they're charging... It makes more sense to get in motion V11 and save close to a $1000
only problem I have with this is I left a deposit on S20 .. test model .. now they rebranded it ... S22 ... rendering my Deposit useless ....
"is it worth paying 3200 usd for unfinished, unreliable product that could cut out while going 45 mph, burn down your house, land you in hospital?" That applies for all EUCs at this point.
PREproduction
Not to mention the low battery capacity, The stupid charging port location, The fragile lights and kickstand that have been broken off of every unit I have seen, The lack of torque, useless screen, Stupid friction trolley handle,really not worth u they're charging
The answer is YES!
@@lefotografion bullshit, no fucking better...they changed absolutely nothing....we even got a motor that self-explodes!!!;
So I hear king song replaced the battery with a new type because of the fire? Is this the wheel you were using? The torque being low seems weird, maybe putting wider pads could help but it should have good torque with its gnarly specs so that’s interesting, any idea of why that’s happening and does 1st production wheels do the same?
Lack of torque is likely a firmware restriction.
@@GingerOnWheels if it weren’t for that dang fire!! Lol just kidding just kidding
It’s interesting how the voltage is so high but it seems like they had to cap it for reasons idk, battery type, motor… but there was a bottleneck because because the torque should realistically be more then a RS , but it is king song as well so that’s a factor of them already limiting the torque , regardless I’m super excited for my wheel coming it’s perfect for what I need , thanks for the review and info!
The answer is no. If that motor fails, you're going down. 50mph? Going down faaaaast. There is no coasting to a stop like on a scooter. These will kill people. Just watch.
They already do kill people, but so does Tylenol. I've crashed at near 50 on one of these and walked away. It has a lot to do with gear choice.
@@GingerOnWheels The problem is that there is no plan b if it fizzles. These will be throwing people into traffic. Even trying to hop off the thing is hard, esp during an emergency. A scoot or board would just glide to a halt or you can run/step off of them very naturally. The fact they blow up and total themselves after one crash made it an easy decision to get scootin'.
What u film with?
A mix of Gopro9 black and Insta 360 One X2
GMaster hi
Is that thing really road legal ahahah
🥇
$4000 FOR 50 MILES OF RANGE AND LOW TORQUE? Easy pass...
These things are 🆒 as shit, but Jesus criminy I thought a motorcycle was dangerous this thing is probably worse with 0 protection whatsoever 🤷 when you get a little older you tend to be more cautious & I wouldn't waste $3,000 on that shit, I don't even think I'd paid $1,300 for that 😂
Shit, I don’t have the balls to ride one of these things. Looks fun but scary.
There is definitely a learning curve, but once you get the hang of it they are very fun to ride. Addicting even.
For this much money you can pretty much buy a motorcycle.... or a car.
You can. And I have bought both motorcycles and cars for a lot less, but once you start riding eucs you want more and more lol
You can also buy a jacket or a watch for that price.
Costs $0.20 to fill up for 50 miles of riding on an EUC. 🙂
@@GingerOnWheels how many miles worth of gas can u put on a scooter for 3000 usd? cool idea but way to expensive for what it does
You can waste money on so much worse things in life than an EUC. And the car you can buy for $3k in todays market wont exactly be a gem.... I spent $40k on my car. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN BUY WITH $40k?!?? boiiiii dont get me started! But you can own all 3 and they each have a place in your collection. Heck people spend more than $3k on some fancy PEDAL BIKES right out of the stone age. These are packed with tech
Just buy a motorbike, at least u'll have some iron between u and the wall in case of crash🤣
I prefer to not buy gas.
@@GingerOnWheels same thing with EV cars, they make u feel cleaner, all that electricity is made burning petrol so I prefer to floor it on a real motorbike/sports car
@@v_stands_for_value124 around here the majority of our power is hydroelectric.
@@v_stands_for_value124 88% hydroelectric, 5% nuclear, 4% wind, 3%coal, gas and biofuel
Iron between your legs, as you crash you fly over the handlebar head first!
Atleast an EUC can`t go nearly as fast as a motorcycle, so it's less lethal in a crash.
None of this Chinese crap machines is worth over 2k.
Get the Kingsong 16X, one of the best wheels ever made
Probably not, but they are so fun and addicting. My first wheel was 1300, and my next one will be 3k to 4k. I'll be happy to waste the money lol
The batteries alone are almost worth half that.
That's true, except for the master
@@shinobieuc The Master is actually disappointing people