When the bass plays alone, I prefer the Vintage. However, I'm curious how they sound in a full band mix. What sounds good just on bass sometimes doesn't sound as good when the band is playing.
I also definitely prefer the sound of the B7K over the vintage. I like the more modern tone it gives it while still maintaining the tube style breakup. It also provides more clarity and punch on both the high and low ends. The vintage deluxe just gets too fuzzy for my preference.
I own the vintage deluxe. Definitely my sound for any fast driven songs I'm playing. Love it. I've tried so many other drive pedals. Glad I got this one
More similar than I thought they'd be! It seems like each could be adjusted to do a close enough job of the other, but it the B7K is seems to be more oriented toward clarity and dynamics while the Vintage focuses more on a more throaty and smoother drive tone. Which one anyone would like would probably depend a lot on what bass they're using, or what amp they're running into.
As a guitarist, the B7K sounds more natural and far more articulate. It keeps that bass sound. I think you need that seperation between the guitar and bass, when it melts together it doesn't sound right to me. Some stuff sounds great distorted, but I would use a fuzz because a bass ripping through a fuzz pedal is glorious.
What I like about Darkglass pedals is even though they are overdrive & distortion machines, they also do clean very well. Very easy to dial in just the right amount of breakup while retaining the natural tone of your bass. I don't have a preference with either one of these. Both are great.
I have both pedals on my pedal board I rim my bk7 first and then the vintage three deluxe second the delux is on all the time as a real subtle dirt that you don't really notice when I go into choruses or rock songs I hit the BK 7 which is set pretty much the same but when you add them both together it becomes another gain stage that sounds really cool
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan thank you SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS! OMG! I've been back n forth for months now. It's always been B7K for me, but then I tried a Vintage Deluxe and kicked in the B3K and WOW! Man, have you tried that? Do a demo of a Vintage Deluxe + B3K. It blew my mind. But... I think this solves it still. Just the BACK TO BACK comparison, same riff, same setting stuff. Thank you! haha! B7K all the way. It has too sweet of a low end while JUST enough overdrive.
To me, the Vintage sounds more pleasant when playing single notes and solos, but the B7K sits better in a mix with guitars. The Vintage's warm midrange makes it smoother and rounder, but it will compete with amps like Marshall which also rely on the mids. Considering the bass is, well, the low end, and the guitar is in the midrange, the choice is clear. But I would love to get both, using the B7K most of the time, but switching to the Vintage for bass solos. Only problem is $$$$$$$$$
I'm actually surprised, but I like the B7K better than the Vintage. The Vintage just sounds muddy compared to the B7K. But then, I wonder what I would think if I adjusted them side by side to similar EQ responses. According to Darkglass: "Main difference is the voicing post overdrive: The B3 and 7K are voiced to be very aggressive and percussive sounding. The words punch and attack come to mind when describing their character - whereas the Vintage is more focused on the mid range, providing and mildier, warmer and creamier sound to the overdriven signal."
The Vintage is muddier but also fuller. Surprisingly the B7K sounds almost as full in this video. It has more articulation, but also less balls. Just my opinion, but I like a full "muddy" sound that has more harmonics & less scooped. But the B7k sounds better in some ways. Usually I have a clear preference for the Vintage.
As the B7K is part of Patricks normal rig I suspect the amp is tuned for the B7K. As he uses the exact same settings on the B7K and the Vintage, the Vintage will "suffer".
I like the B3K-V2 I just bought. I don't need a preamp or melt ur face tone. B3K gives me modern tone w subtle OD using MM Sire P7-5,alder/rswd. Past Sat's gig Rock/Funk music. My amp was a TC-E BH550+BF Big Twin-T cab. Guitard loved my glassy-highs. I really dug my tone using the DG pedal first time at Sat's gig. Had a blast!! DG putting out some nice bass gear. Peace, e.
Hey Patrick amazing Playing! I actually could hear chris out off your style and found out later that you admire his style! Whats that thing with the cool wolf design on the b7k ? is it a special run or something ? cause i have not seen that awesome design in stores (in europe) yet. cheers man.
Both are great, but my ears like more the vintage deluxe, because of tube amp kind of sound. Suggestion: could you make a comparison of a sansamp bddi and darkglass b7k?
Splitting hairs. I think the B7K is my preference, but then the VD pulls the best tone out of the bag - 3:02 oh man, that's what I'm talking about. That is just filthy.
They both sound awesome, the Vintage duluxe when playing the Tame impala song was perfect. Think in the end would pick the B7K it sounds more like a pure tube amp.
Couldn’t see me using the b7k but with the vintage... it’d be sick to have the bottom end to drop off (like a HP) and have a nice high bite during a solo that drops back into a full band where the low end comes back in. Now that’d be a dope sound
Great demo as always dude. I had the B3K originally but after reviews like this one comparing them, I sold it and got the VMT Deluxe (version 1 apparently), and paired it up with the new Redwitch Zeus. It is just the most awesome little pedalboard. Can you get your hands on the Zeus and give us a demo? I'd really like to see you playing through one!
I use the vintage deluxe 3 and the bk7 the original one with the toggle switches on it right before the vintage the vintage is always on it's like a tone sweetener for my ampeg and the bk7 comes on same settings as the V3 for just that extra crunch when both pedals are on together they make a really nice three-dimensional overdrive that sounds like an SVT turned up by their self they sound good but as you stack them even if you get a third dark glass pedal and put in the line as you step down one two three you get this full overdrive sound that cuts through any mix but doesn't sound over the top
One thing I noticed that may make the Vintage sound muddier than it really can be here is that it seems to have more gain at the same settings as the B7K. I bet it would clear up more with less gain.
They both sound incredible, but for what I'm going for I think I prefer the B7K. I split my signal (Boss LS-2) and for heavy driven stuff one path is run through a fuzz pedal, the other through an overdrive. I feel the more sharp and percussive tones of the B7K will pair alongside a fuzzy tone better than the Vintage. A question, have you tried the smaller B3K? Is the EQ on the 7K worth splashing out more for, or are there enough tones in the 3K? Always love your content, quality stuff :)
We get it Patrick, you have all the cool stuff everyone else wants. I feel like the Vintage sounds better on it's own, but the B7k probably cuts through a mix with a heavy rhythm guitar better. Amiright? We shall see who gets the Darkglass B700 amp first, sir. Just you wait!
Well, the B7K is a bit scooped. Mids are the way to go, if you want to cut through. The Lo Mids are set pretty high though. You usually punch through at 500-800hz, while the low mids on B7K is at 1000hz. The Vintage Deluxe is at 500hz at the low mids, and have a bigger mid growl in the drive, so it would probably cut through better. The B7K have a better cut in the Treble though.
Thanks for this comparison. I love your tone and playing. Funny enough, I thought you were playing a P with the snarl. I have the Vintage and a J so I have no excuses now ;)
Patrick Hunter thanks! I've been considering the B7K but it's a bit out of my price range. I've been looking at a sansamp but saw the ampeg one and really caught my attention
Hey Patrick, are you still running the B7K on your board or have you sprung for the Ultra yet. if you have both, is the Ultra worth the extra $$ in your opinion, or is the equalizer on the Deluxe good enough in most cases?
a vmt+b7k would be my dream combo. the vintage microtubes era knob and overall warmer drive coupled with the b7k's eq (particularly the 1k lo mids) sound more ideal to me as the b7k's drive is a little "scoopy" sounding.
The B7K is kinda scoopy. The Lo Mids knob is at 1000hz, which are a bit too high in my opinion. That's why I wanted a B7K Ultra. But I though about something crazy. I bought a Vintage Deluxe, to pair with my B7K, and a Boss LS-2. I'm going to run Channel A with the B7K, with a tiny midscoop, and boosted highs, and Channel B with the Vintage Deluxe, with some boosted mids. Then run the A+B setting to run them parallel to the amp!
I bought a Boss LS-2 for the purpose. It has a channel called A+B -> Bypass. Then you have one in each channel, and they both get the clean tone going into the Boss LS-2, and they won't gain eachother. Each signal will go into the amp. Just like the old Bassman amps.
MESHUGGAH Dick Lovgren uses Vintage deluxe and thats good enough for me..even though i have the b7k...the vintage deluxe is what i waill have...one day
+Plum I've been playing for about a decade now and all I can say is never limit yourself; play along to your favorite songs, start trying to learn things by ear, and sometimes play songs out of your comfort playing zone. But most importantly, try and play every single day.
Awesome as usual. Just a question, what pickups do you have installed in your bass? (Apologies if it has been asked too many a times) Your clean tone sounds absolutely gnarly!
When the bass plays alone, I prefer the Vintage. However, I'm curious how they sound in a full band mix. What sounds good just on bass sometimes doesn't sound as good when the band is playing.
I also definitely prefer the sound of the B7K over the vintage. I like the more modern tone it gives it while still maintaining the tube style breakup. It also provides more clarity and punch on both the high and low ends. The vintage deluxe just gets too fuzzy for my preference.
I own the vintage deluxe. Definitely my sound for any fast driven songs I'm playing. Love it. I've tried so many other drive pedals. Glad I got this one
More similar than I thought they'd be! It seems like each could be adjusted to do a close enough job of the other, but it the B7K is seems to be more oriented toward clarity and dynamics while the Vintage focuses more on a more throaty and smoother drive tone. Which one anyone would like would probably depend a lot on what bass they're using, or what amp they're running into.
As a guitarist, the B7K sounds more natural and far more articulate. It keeps that bass sound. I think you need that seperation between the guitar and bass, when it melts together it doesn't sound right to me.
Some stuff sounds great distorted, but I would use a fuzz because a bass ripping through a fuzz pedal is glorious.
What I like about Darkglass pedals is even though they are overdrive & distortion machines, they also do clean very well. Very easy to dial in just the right amount of breakup while retaining the natural tone of your bass. I don't have a preference with either one of these. Both are great.
I have both pedals on my pedal board I rim my bk7 first and then the vintage three deluxe second the delux is on all the time as a real subtle dirt that you don't really notice when I go into choruses or rock songs I hit the BK 7 which is set pretty much the same but when you add them both together it becomes another gain stage that sounds really cool
That Tame Impala bass line tho =D
+Pedro Ferraro One of my fav's!
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan thank you SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS! OMG! I've been back n forth for months now. It's always been B7K for me, but then I tried a Vintage Deluxe and kicked in the B3K and WOW! Man, have you tried that? Do a demo of a Vintage Deluxe + B3K. It blew my mind. But... I think this solves it still. Just the BACK TO BACK comparison, same riff, same setting stuff. Thank you! haha! B7K all the way. It has too sweet of a low end while JUST enough overdrive.
To me, the Vintage sounds more pleasant when playing single notes and solos, but the B7K sits better in a mix with guitars. The Vintage's warm midrange makes it smoother and rounder, but it will compete with amps like Marshall which also rely on the mids. Considering the bass is, well, the low end, and the guitar is in the midrange, the choice is clear. But I would love to get both, using the B7K most of the time, but switching to the Vintage for bass solos. Only problem is $$$$$$$$$
I preferred the vintage with a pick and b7k with fingerstyle
I'm actually surprised, but I like the B7K better than the Vintage. The Vintage just sounds muddy compared to the B7K. But then, I wonder what I would think if I adjusted them side by side to similar EQ responses. According to Darkglass:
"Main difference is the voicing post overdrive: The B3 and 7K are voiced to be very aggressive and percussive sounding. The words punch and attack come to mind when describing their character - whereas the Vintage is more focused on the mid range, providing and mildier, warmer and creamier sound to the overdriven signal."
The Vintage is muddier but also fuller. Surprisingly the B7K sounds almost as full in this video. It has more articulation, but also less balls. Just my opinion, but I like a full "muddy" sound that has more harmonics & less scooped. But the B7k sounds better in some ways. Usually I have a clear preference for the Vintage.
As the B7K is part of Patricks normal rig I suspect the amp is tuned for the B7K. As he uses the exact same settings on the B7K and the Vintage, the Vintage will "suffer".
I like the B3K-V2 I just bought. I don't need a preamp or melt ur face tone. B3K gives me modern tone w subtle OD using MM Sire P7-5,alder/rswd. Past Sat's gig Rock/Funk music. My amp was a TC-E BH550+BF Big Twin-T cab. Guitard loved my glassy-highs. I really dug my tone using the DG pedal first time at Sat's gig. Had a blast!! DG putting out some nice bass gear. Peace, e.
I own a B3k, my idea was to also buy the Vintage Microtubes and have the best of both worlds. I dig that Vintage Deluxe tho!!
Hey Patrick amazing Playing! I actually could hear chris out off your style and found out later that you admire his style! Whats that thing with the cool wolf design on the b7k ? is it a special run or something ? cause i have not seen that awesome design in stores (in europe) yet. cheers man.
Cool comparison, partick...I personally like the vintage deluxe. it's got a warm heavy sound. I was thinking of getting one sometime soon.
Both are great, but my ears like more the vintage deluxe, because of tube amp kind of sound. Suggestion: could you make a comparison of a sansamp bddi and darkglass b7k?
+rmap86 If I can borrow a Sansamp or find one for cheap, absolutely!
Patrick Hunter If i lived near you, definitely lend you mine.
+Patrick Hunter That will be GREAT!
+Patrick Hunter i got a VT Bass DI you can borrow to do the comparison with. Patrick.
Splitting hairs. I think the B7K is my preference, but then the VD pulls the best tone out of the bag - 3:02 oh man, that's what I'm talking about. That is just filthy.
I like them both so much, that I have both on my board!
I run them in separate channels on my Boss LS-2, and then A+B into the amp!
+Jamie de la Sencerie DUDE NICE
I use the B7K in the studio but I use the original Vintage Deluxe live wit a Rickenbacker 4003 into an Ampeg. If you can both pedals are worth it.
+Steve Wiegand VD + Rick 4003 + Ampeg = oh my god
+Patrick Hunter I love your demos please keep going. I got a Fuzzrocious ZUUL immediately after I saw your demo for it. Cheers.
They both sound awesome, the Vintage duluxe when playing the Tame impala song was perfect. Think in the end would pick the B7K it sounds more like a pure tube amp.
Couldn’t see me using the b7k but with the vintage... it’d be sick to have the bottom end to drop off (like a HP) and have a nice high bite during a solo that drops back into a full band where the low end comes back in. Now that’d be a dope sound
Great demo as always dude. I had the B3K originally but after reviews like this one comparing them, I sold it and got the VMT Deluxe (version 1 apparently), and paired it up with the new Redwitch Zeus. It is just the most awesome little pedalboard. Can you get your hands on the Zeus and give us a demo? I'd really like to see you playing through one!
+Kevin Critchlow I would love to do a demo of a Zeus, hopefully I can find one for a good price!
3:01...Oh my..!
I use the vintage deluxe 3 and the bk7 the original one with the toggle switches on it right before the vintage the vintage is always on it's like a tone sweetener for my ampeg and the bk7 comes on same settings as the V3 for just that extra crunch when both pedals are on together they make a really nice three-dimensional overdrive that sounds like an SVT turned up by their self they sound good but as you stack them even if you get a third dark glass pedal and put in the line as you step down one two three you get this full overdrive sound that cuts through any mix but doesn't sound over the top
Nice Stray riff.
One thing I noticed that may make the Vintage sound muddier than it really can be here is that it seems to have more gain at the same settings as the B7K. I bet it would clear up more with less gain.
They both sound incredible, but for what I'm going for I think I prefer the B7K. I split my signal (Boss LS-2) and for heavy driven stuff one path is run through a fuzz pedal, the other through an overdrive. I feel the more sharp and percussive tones of the B7K will pair alongside a fuzzy tone better than the Vintage.
A question, have you tried the smaller B3K? Is the EQ on the 7K worth splashing out more for, or are there enough tones in the 3K?
Always love your content, quality stuff :)
Amazing production!
We get it Patrick, you have all the cool stuff everyone else wants.
I feel like the Vintage sounds better on it's own, but the B7k probably cuts through a mix with a heavy rhythm guitar better. Amiright?
We shall see who gets the Darkglass B700 amp first, sir. Just you wait!
Well, the B7K is a bit scooped. Mids are the way to go, if you want to cut through. The Lo Mids are set pretty high though. You usually punch through at 500-800hz, while the low mids on B7K is at 1000hz.
The Vintage Deluxe is at 500hz at the low mids, and have a bigger mid growl in the drive, so it would probably cut through better.
The B7K have a better cut in the Treble though.
+Jamie de la Sencerie The B7K cuts through differently, due to its' high mid emphasis. The VMTD is softer there.
+FaithNoMan we need both!
+FaithNoMan True! But the high mids are usually occupied by the guitar!
+Jamie de la Sencerie not anymore :p
man i cant pick a favorite between the two of them they are both just so good in their own way
+not hawkeye RIGHT?!
Thanks for this comparison. I love your tone and playing. Funny enough, I thought you were playing a P with the snarl. I have the Vintage and a J so I have no excuses now ;)
B7k seems like a SansAmp on steroids and the Vintage seems more like a warmer, woolier kind of thing. I like the B7k.
Dude you're the Fluff of bass! Great video by the way \m/
+Lucas McKnight hahaha thanks, Lucas! I love Fluff's stuff!
Awesome as always. Can you do a review/demo/thoughts on the Ampeg SCR-DI ?
+Cesar Pinilla If I can find one for a good price, yeah!
Patrick Hunter thanks! I've been considering the B7K but it's a bit out of my price range. I've been looking at a sansamp but saw the ampeg one and really caught my attention
Dude you're so good
I'm just here for the riffs.
The less i know The better!
Hey Patrick, are you still running the B7K on your board or have you sprung for the Ultra yet. if you have both, is the Ultra worth the extra $$ in your opinion, or is the equalizer on the Deluxe good enough in most cases?
both sound the awesome! If I had to pick or the other it would be very hard......fak it I'll just bust the bank and get'em both!
Patrick, nice video!
You are playing std tuning or drop?
+ROOTbel Thankd bud! And it's in standard!
a vmt+b7k would be my dream combo. the vintage microtubes era knob and overall warmer drive coupled with the b7k's eq (particularly the 1k lo mids) sound more ideal to me as the b7k's drive is a little "scoopy" sounding.
The B7K is kinda scoopy. The Lo Mids knob is at 1000hz, which are a bit too high in my opinion.
That's why I wanted a B7K Ultra.
But I though about something crazy. I bought a Vintage Deluxe, to pair with my B7K, and a Boss LS-2.
I'm going to run Channel A with the B7K, with a tiny midscoop, and boosted highs, and Channel B with the Vintage Deluxe, with some boosted mids. Then run the A+B setting to run them parallel to the amp!
+Jamie de la Sencerie how would you run it parralell? im in a similar situation but dont know how to run it parralell haha
I bought a Boss LS-2 for the purpose. It has a channel called A+B -> Bypass. Then you have one in each channel, and they both get the clean tone going into the Boss LS-2, and they won't gain eachother. Each signal will go into the amp. Just like the old Bassman amps.
I want both so bad. Amazing playing! What's the first song you shred through?
"No Half Measures" by my band Pseudo Future!
Unreal man!
MESHUGGAH Dick Lovgren uses Vintage deluxe and thats good enough for me..even though i have the b7k...the vintage deluxe is what i waill have...one day
Best of both worlds. The VMT in front of a B7K Ultra
Or just get the DGMT 500 or 900 amp with BOTH.
This is a great video!
Hey patrick! Can you recomend me a good cheap fuzz pedal? Was looking for one but not sure which one to chose. Thnaks!
How did you get to the point where you are in bass playing. I want to be able to play like you. How did you practice?
+Plum Find music that you like and learn it. That's what I did and It got me pretty far as well.
+Plum I've been playing for about a decade now and all I can say is never limit yourself; play along to your favorite songs, start trying to learn things by ear, and sometimes play songs out of your comfort playing zone. But most importantly, try and play every single day.
Vintage Deluxe all the way!
I'm sorry for being that guy but what's the song you play after the less I know the better?
The song is Outbreak by Stray From The Path!
Outstanding! Thank you!
Outbreak by Stray From The Path
Vintage is fuller, thicker and sounds better to me.
Stray from the Path!
B7K with a pick, Vintage for fingers.
Stray from the path!
Tame Impala!!!
serious question: are you making these adjectives up
+Erin oh most definitely
I’ve owned a b7k I found it way too harsh, grindy and nasally.
Microtubes all the way
Awesome as usual. Just a question, what pickups do you have installed in your bass? (Apologies if it has been asked too many a times) Your clean tone sounds absolutely gnarly!
+Ger ald Duncan SJB3's!
i second that, that clean tone is epic!