ASOIAF Theories: There are Two Walls | The Mystery of The Five Forts
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Just sharing my ideas one my favorite book series, A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin. This video may contain spoilers for those of you who are not up to date with the series.
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You don't build a thousand foot wall of black stone to keep out desert raiders.
Yeah but you build a 2000 km wall of regular stone to keep out steppe raiders :P
L G Mansbridge lol.
Thats basicaly what the Chinese did
and the Romans
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Trump lol
I really wish that Dany will go east instead of west, far more interesting.
+Paul Allen That would take three more books at least, each of which would be released 10 years apart. No thanks.
GRRM confirmed to fans that none of the main characters in his story will go to Asshai but the city may be referenced by other characters
basboosa But wasn't that long ago? GRRM said now that the shows way ahead of the books he's going on a different path and making the story as different as possible from the show so maybe he's opinion has changed.
To reach west you must go east. To go forward you must go back, and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.
For Dany to go West to Westeros she must go east to Vaes Dothrak. To go forward with her invasion, she must go back to where she got power, Vaes Dothrak. To touch the light, the burning of the Temple, you must pass beneath the shadow, the giant horse statues.
Paul Allen me too
Don't you think it could have been more interesting to the story if Dany had gone far East in quest on knowledge istead of stay in Meereen getting a little bit bored?
+Yo Jane I wonder if GRRM has other plans to reveal more info in another story. Part of me thinks its too late for that to happen in either book or show.
I hope so anyway. Imagine a spin off series similar to Conan the Barbarian that explores the far east. That would be amazing
+99superjesus Absolutely. But I guess Martin will not have enough time to do that. He still has to finish Winds of Winter, continue with Dream of Spring. Then continue the Dunk and Egg's story and he wants to write Fire and Blood, the story of the Targaryen dinasty in Westeros. Too much work to do. And if he finishes all of those projects perhaps he would follow the path of the North (Winterfell, Beyond the Wall).
Westeros is fascinating but I would love to know a little more of Essos specially Asshai.
Damn it, why Dany did not go there?
Maybe she will, and maybe we will have a new POV character from Yi-Ti that will meet Dany and tell her that his lands are being devasted by the others. In the two books to come it is possible.
I don't know what Jorah Mormont's up to in the books (haven't read them), but on the show maybe he'll seek out Quaithe to cure his greyscale and she'll send him to the far east to get ingredients for the cure or something?? idk.
teenwilliam1000 in the books Jon Connington has grey scale. Jorah is just exiled. at this point the show is just really good fan fiction using some of the most important bits and doing their own thing otherwise.
I dont think it is a coincidence that the Bloodstone Emperor story is almost identical to the Night's King.
I really hope we get more stories fro the East
Essos is far more mysterious and interesting than Westeros.
The intrigue plays at our natural curiosity. It's not even real, and millions of people want to find out what lies beyond, which is what makes it amazing. I can only imagine what people of the past in small, rural villages were thinking. How large is the world?
westeros represents white Europe so u know
Hell yeah.
Devyne187 No westeros doesn't, it is basically England and Ireland merged together with light fantasy, and essos is the rest of Europe.
Much like Britain does John Smith
This could settle the argument about who's Azor Ahai since people usually go to either Daenerys or Jon, it could be both if there was more than one hero in history.
Exactly what I thought.
On one side, it is the prince that was promise. Then, at the other side, it is the princess.
If there is one thing this video has convinced me of, is that I should really start reading Lovecraft.
So basically there are Murlocs and Khajit in GoT universe.
there aren't this guy is a junkie tinfoil
+Christian leontsinis least he can talkie good scholar
I think he is just making the connections to the references of Lovecraft, not necessarily saying Martin is using all of Lovecraft's ideas ...
He is. He has admitted, and there are many tributes in the books.
Got any skooma?
Aren't there also ruins on Sorthoros that are made of the black stone, and apparently nothing grows near them.
Yes, when Nymera fled wih her people they stopped there but soon after they went "nope, I'm out of here". Would love to see that part of the world, as well as the far east, explored by Martin, even if just as a spin-off after he finishes ASOIAF.
+Leonardo Marques I don't think he'll explore it, and I don't think he should. Remember that Lovecraft's most powerful literary technique was in not fully describing things, but leaving as much as possible to the reader's own imagination.
I think that is the whole point of what GRRM has done here, and why he has referenced Lovecraft so strongly in the lore of far-Essos and Sotheros; They seem so grand and mystical in contrast to our story in Westeros and near-Essos that it would only work to diminish them if stories were actually written in those places. The mystery would necessarily become much more mundane and normal.
Unless the mystical and grand stories were true.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) there is some truth to every legend
The city of Yeen. Creepier than Asshai in my opinion.
if they come from the north and the east then it seems to me when winter comes you just pack up and have a holiday in the summer isles
Do you want to get butterfly fever?
@@blizzardandmai1129 that disease is only in the butterfly isles, that's the whole reason it's called that. And if there right about the butterflies protecting them, then they might not die but that's unlikely.
@@tntsummers926 Naath is literally home to the butterfly fever, it is stated explicitly in the lore
@@dustinbird9170 wait I thought Naath was the butterfly isles real name, is that not true?
@@tntsummers926 Naath is the island of butterflies, so the disease is on naath, and anyone not from their will catch the disease and die after a few days if they don't leave quickly
_"Bran seems like the most likely candidate."_
*Just you wait.*
it'll probably be Jon who does the physical fighting, but I do think that Bran will have a significant role to play
The whole to go west you must go east thing seems like pretty solid evidence for this.
Do you think Patchface saw the Deep Ones?
Joseph Burgis respect the Patchface reference. He only knows them from his sex fantasies.
While I do think that the others are coming from the east as well, I don't think Dany is going to have any part in stopping them
GRRM has said we will not see asshai because it must remain this mysterious untapped land that is only heard about but never seen, I think this is the case for the entireity of the far east, including yi ti & the forts. There has been no mention of the forts, and no emphasis drawn towards the black stone
I think that there will be a champion in the east that will drive out the others but that story is happening independent of the story of ASOIAF. GRRM wants to keep certain things hidden from us, and I think ASOIAF is a story about the iron throne, Dany ultimately will end up in westeros. The east's champion is probably from Yi Ti or asshai and their story is probably incredibly interesting but we won't see it in ASOIAF. I think vaes dothrakk & Qarth is the furthest east the story is going
+brohoelikeacholo although dany may get drawn away from westeros completely upon a revelation about her childhood much like jon will learn of his targ origins, just a guess
+gnovakov read the lore material. Ther are currently several emperors in YiTi so the shit is crazy there too.
Unfortunately GRRM said they aren't connected. but that still doesn't mean they didn't invade essos. Im thinking they did. I think its just something we'll just have to wait for. Eventually. Hopefully.
+Brittany Smith frozen ice is my idea. Essos and Westeros are different continents yes but that doesn't exclude other possibilities
+IdeasOfIceAndFire Exactly. and yea if they bring the cold, its perfectly plausible that the others could just freeze a whole area of sea or ocean, and walk straight across.
+Brittany Smith Where did GRRM say this? curious to read it. Thanks!
+Corey Evans It was from an interview question he answered at one point. give me a minute and ill find the original source.
+Corey Evans Ok. It was a question his editor had asked him while working on the book. at westeros.org has archives of notes between GERM and his editor. ill give you the exact link to where they have it below. its under the "GEOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION" section, last sentence.
The public was able to view these private notes between the two after GRRM donated old manuscripts to his old college so they could display them. I believe some college in Arizona. you can actually go there yourself and view the manuscripts, its pretty cool. they call the notes SSM's which is short for So Spoke Martin. just notes where he answered questions his editor had while editing his work.
www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Category/C91/P60
I really appreciate all the work you put into your videos. The visuals you add along with your commentary really heighten the experience. Great work, keep it up.
To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.
Walls? For what? Just send Arya to dangerous places. She will kill all and everything with a knife, because, you know, she had this training where she was blind :D
I like to play these videos while falling asleep, they're like an audiobook stimulating my imagination.
This is my theory: During The Long Night in Westeros, the dark magic of The Great Other came to Essos as well, and brought a long-lasting eternal darkness to the region. Beyond the Five Forts, there are mythical creatures and cities like Bonetown and Cities of The Bloodless Men, that could be allies to the dark god. With them and maybe wights from The Grey Waste which is a cold region of desert, they came and attacked Essos.
Really, really hope Dany goes east to reach the west, would be so much more interesting. So many mysteries we still know nothing about
GOT a theory: the Titan of Braavos is a steam powered mech moved by wild fire furnaces, that's right it moves and it struts straight into that long night of darkness and blizzards. There's a meltdown and it fucking explodes into a green mushroom cloud. Fire beats ice, not with a whimper but a bang.
+himynamesfather do a video on that
Why did you comment on your own comment?
Your videos have gotten waaay better since the last time I looked at your channel. This is crazy thought-provoking. Good work!
I love your narration. Combined with these mysterious stories I've got goosebumps everywhere.
This is my favourite of your theory videos so far, really fascinating! Admittedly, I've only seen three so I hope they're all as thought-provoking.
Impressive knowledge of the lore, and kudos for drawing parallels with Lovecraft. Great vid...
Finally, someone makes a video on this
I've been telling my friends this forever! Thanks for making this video!
this is an AWESOME video!! thanks for your knowledge of the song of ice and fire!! Keep the vids coming video bro
The five forts have always been one of the cooler areas in my opinion. I love hearing more about it.
Dude your channel just got way better been waiting for someone to do a good video on the 5 fort
The way you think is much deeper anyother channels who make the theories on GOT or asoiaf I wish you good luck from making a video to writing something of your own
Great video my man. Always enjoy your stuff. Keep up the great work!
You pieced some things together I for one was confused about. Amazing! Thank you.
I have always been so curious about the 5 forts. They do kinda parallel the wall. Great video man seriously! :D
One of the best videos i have ever seen from you man! I love the Lovecraft references, deep ones and the oily black stone!!! Awesome!!! Also Asshai is said to be made from these oily, black stones that "drink the sunlight" i would love to see more videos about the far east of Essos such as Yi Ti and Yeen. It also wouldn't hurt to see some videos about Sothoryos and or Ulthos! Over all man, great vid! Keep em comin!
Love it! I've often thought that the far end of Essos and the far north of Westeros were connected in some way. Even if by means of a land bridge. I love this video! I hope GRRM releases more information about Essos and other lands inside of Essos. It's a very fascinating continent.
Love your new videos with the pictures- keep it up!! It's all very professional
I can't get enough of your videos. My understanding of Quaithes strange navigating skills is that she is being literal, and circumnavigating the world would be a tactical and strategic approach that would be completely unexpected by Westeros.
LOVED this. I rediscovered this channel after listening to the Fire & Blood Livestream with In Deep Geek (which isn't new, but I watched it yesterday and it was great). I'm so happy to rediscover IOIAF. The music, the illustrations, the voice; it all just flows beautifully (and is f*cking creepy at points).
There is definitely something deeply mysterious about the Far East of Essos. It's funny...because you hear of Asshai so often, you come to think of it in a different manner than the Far East in general, but it's *the* farthest point; Asshai Beyond the Shadow.
Really intrigued with the idea that the Five Forts are another version of The Wall. Great points and ideas in this video. I would love to learn more in the next two books!
Really great video! This brings attention to the questions I'm dying to know the answers to.
Well done 👍
Nice one - great voice over, well written and articulated, interesting theory and good selection of artwork :)
Wonderful job with the visuals and great insights. It's a fascinating theory.
just found your channel and am loving the videos, nice job man. keep up the great content!
This is exactly what ive been looking for and now after having been a fan of the show for so long, this actually makes sense!!
Always love your vids Idea's. TY for doing them.
I just got The Land of Ice and Fire, and haven't had much time to get deeply into it, but I really hope that we get some answers to these mysteries!
GREAT video! I am really looking forward to finding out more about Essos, and it's deeper meaning in the story!
I've only recently found this channel after watching tour video on the great other and the white walkers... But i'm glad I've found it, great video!!
this is my favorite theory to date good work!
I loved this this, I've been wondering about the far east of Essos for a while and would love to see more about it. If you think it's topic worthy that is.
Maybe George has a thing for the Landbridge theory. Perhaps there was (and will be) an ice bridge connecting Essos and Westeros in the North. This bridge would only exist during the Long Winter.
"You must go East to go West" Danny will be crossing the ice bridge to get back to Westeros, she will not be taking ships. That way she fulfills the prphecy and the Dothraki don't have to go on boats.
That sounds like it could have been a good idea.
During the Earth's ice ages, the sea level was lowered because of all the frozen glaciers everywhere. This created the land of Beringia between Russia and Alaska which allowed humans to cross into the Americas. An ultra winter like what is anticipated to occur in aSoIaF could definitely have the plausibility to create such a land bridge, or at least an ice bridge. It is also known that "Planetos" has northern ice caps (tWoIaF). due to the outdated map projection seen in early maps, these ice caps which look separate on the maps may actually be connecting Westeros to north-eastern Essos. The lands of always winter reach very far north, so the Others (from the ice caps perhaps) are appearing in Westeros sooner. During the massive winter, the ice caps may expand to reach Mossovy/the grey waste or thereabouts quite quickly afterwards, allowing the others passage into Essos. This is all really interesting stuff.
I bet u feel kinda stupid now
@@wankstadresta9167 i like it how people call it planetos too lol george just calls it the world...
Great theory man. I'm loving all your videos!
Great food for thought! Thank you for your hard work!
Wow, great video. You stepped up your game big time, keep up the awesome work.
Great job on this video!
Really interesting theory & in the books this may play out, but not in the show. You have a really melodious voice, beautiful.....I could listen to you narrate anything all day....Thanks for the vid & have a nice day:)
Great Video as always!
Finally a decent video on this subject.
Good work.
Magnificent work... You're so right about most thing that I'm starting to think that you know something we don't haha
I've gotten really sick of theory videos, but yours are very intelligent and well done. Keep it up.
Great video, great theory, great connections! It works really well, expecially visually confronting the maps! Then oily black stone and ice both don't lool like something human friendly... Thanks for sharing, keep on with the good work!...
Outstanding video my friend. You are appreciated.
lots of people fussing about the sound\voice over. I thought it was great. Your voice is great for story telling. Keep up the good work! We appreciate it :)
Great theory! Love the Dany thing. Can't wait to catch up on GoT and see how that panned out!
very clever analisys os scarce source material, grate work!
That's a good idea in relation to what Quaithe said. Nice work!
Practicing dark magic, necromancy, torture and feasting on the flesh of humans, sounds like a typical Friday night to me.. lol
Brilliant video and makes total sense !
seriously, awesome job
This video is wonderful. It's giving me new insights into the world of ice and fire. I would love to see stories set in Yi ti and the unknown world of Planetos.
G.R.R. Martin said that no, Westeros and Essos do not met. They are two separated continents.
+Antonio Montana yes they are, but that didn't stop the first men from crossing over last time. THINK GUYS!!!
+IdeasOfIceAndFire I was under the impression that a land bridge had previously existed but was destroyed (I read this somewhere but I don't remember, sorry). I think you're right about the rest of it, and that a threat will arise from the East just as it is in the North in Westeros.
+Katherine Drummond There was a landpassage once but it was destroyed by the children of the forest to stop the andals crossing. Correct me if im wrong, its been a while since i read the world of ice and fire :D
+Nisroe the first men, not t he andals, sorry
Didn't the first men cross the arm of dorne?
brilliant way of looking at this. great video.
maybe those sea monster are the one patchface meet
Deep Ones?
You and Preston Jacobs need to work together, man. This video combined with some of his are enough to definitively prove some of these theories. Very impressed. Subscribed and will receive notifications.
thanks dude for upload
Loved your video - the eastern region is too often neglected and the story of the 5 forts is so interesting
This is an awesome video, I doubt they will cover any of the east stuff on the show but on the books definatly
Great video! I'lll be looking forward for that on H.P. Lovecraft's influence. Saludos!
Someone should ask George if his world lies on tectonic plates.
What if Essos and Westeros WERE joined. Maybe there are small differences between Westeros' and Essos' Others, assuming the latter exists?
Westeros had its own meteor impacts would make sense thay also have eartquakes and volcanic eruptions all that sort of planetary damage would break up continents... its a retelling of pangea :p
That was really interesting...can't wait for the next installment.
Brilliant.
Love your videos!
hey I really enjoy the videos u do when u read first like this one and the werewolf tree etc.... please do more like them. I have never read the books but am a game of thrones junkie. your very talented with these. please do more like them. thank you.
This. Theory. Is. Brilliant!!!
Awesome! I haven't read the books (yet), but have read just about everything written by Lovecraft I could get my hands on. I've often wondered why the similarities in GRR's world are hardly ever mentioned. As I might not have read the books, I'm still enough of a fantasy-geek to have looked at several maps and rely heavily on videos like these for more information on this world (until the series will end and I can start reading the books). Especially when I saw a city called K'dath way way east in between "Cannibal Sands" and an island called Leng to the south of that bit of land made me wonder about that part of GRR's world (and grin a little). Also the religion of the Drowned God and the depiction of the octopus made me think of some Cthulhu cult. Can't wait for more theories on this.
The Grey Waste and Beyond the Wall probably connect to the Northern Icecap, and during the Long Night, the Other came down from the east and the west. And heros rose, Azor Ahai, the Last Hero, etc, to defeat them.
This is like Deja Vu last week I was looking over The World of Ice & Fire map specifically I was looking at the Five Forts & the lands of the far east & I too wondered if the Lands of Always Winter connect with the far east somehow, it seems likely considering the coincidences between the Wall & the Five Forts & the fact that there are legends of a Long Night & a hero with a flaming sword in the far east, it's fascinating. Another great video, I have now become a subscriber to your channel.
So glad you brought up The Deep Ones. I have a theory years ago posted on Westeros. About Dragons and White Walkers fighting against t bc e Deep Ones. Ahhhhh Memories. I think it us too late in the story to introduce The deep ones as a major player in the story. But sounds cool. :)
Omg this theory is so good! that would explain a lot tbh
George really build a huge diverse world. I hope he lives a long time and continues to expand this world he has created.
+Tyler Gagnon i hope the fat man don't die before we see every thing, it would suck balls if we have to rely upon the show to learn the plot
Man u seem to know everything , i am very impressed.
great job mate
Maybe the Black Stone they speak of could be obsidian also known as dragonglass ? Obsidian is a form of glass, it's pitch black and just like normal glass it feel greasy and oily when you touch it (this is because glass is actually not a solid substance). We know that IRL obsidian is made due to vulcanic activity, and in ASOIAF it is the same. Dragonstone for exemple is vulcanic and it has lots of obsidian. But volcanos also appear under water, which could be how the Deep ones get their black stones. Also because of Obsidian being a form of glass it doesn't erode which means if you were to build a castle out of it (eg five forts) the castle would never crumble or fall in decay. The fact that the stone is described as smooth just makes it even more plausible that it is a form of glass. Also White Walkers can be killed with obsidian, could this be why the five forts are made out of it? To scare off the White walkers? We also know that obsidian is used for glass candles, could this be the black stone that Bloodstone worshipped? A simple glass candle, maybe Bloodstone saw the others through a glass candle and it made im go crazy and corrupted. Just like Saruman in Lotr who used the palantir to talk to sauron was corrupted.
I doubt it. The Maesters know what obsidian is and yet they describe theses rocks as oily black stones..
+Freek De Jonghe Not sure where you got either of the ideas that obsidian feels greasy/oily or that it doesn't erode. Neither of those are remotely true.
*MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT*
The children made the white walkers, confirmed.
A reason why the Others might only focus on Westeros the second time they appear? They lost the first time, right? Why divide their forces at all? Also, maybe they don't know how to get through the black stone, or can't? Maybe it's easier to get through the Wall. Maybe they got utterly destroyed in the East and then we're only just beaten back in the west and see the west as an easier target. I mean, the people in Asshai 8,000 years ago were still probably using that crazy magic they still use, and could have been a very powerful threat, and some believe that the Shadowlands are where Dragons originally came from, so that could have been a problem as well. Also, Yi Ti. No description needed. The East might just be too powerful. Honestly, if Dorne can fight off dragons, they can fight off anything.
***** ya, hence how they could fight off the Others. I dont see Ice zombies doing well in a place like Dorne
***** Sothoryos is always an option. I would bet you money that there wouldn't be any snow there
***** well GOT itself is ASOIAF fanfiction to me
+Luissv72 What if the five forts are made out of Obsidian? It fits the description perfectly! And Obsidian can kill White walkers so maybe that's why they can't penetrate the line of the Five Forts. Maybe Y Ti found the power that Obsidian holds and decided to build forts out of it?
Freek De Jonghe people wouldve just called it Obsidian or Dragonglass or whatever. It's referenced as like the metal that Asshai was made out of
Can't wait for the Lovecraft related videos!
This is a really cool theory and makes a lot of sense. It definitely seems to fit.
George has responded t it though and said that we do not know how large this world is. That there are most likely other lands between Essos and Westeros. Which makes sense when you align the regions to their real world counterpart.
Nice! I never thought about that.
The Grey Waste and the Far North are connected !? Sir, I think you figured it out! Liked. Subscribed.
Great video :D
excellent story telling!