And how do you even tow a trailer? I doubt you can plan RV trips with a Tesla or Prius, which is a HYBRID. To my knowledge I have never ever seen a Prius towing even a fold-up trailer! Something suggests to me that this puts too much strain on the batteries.
@@largol33t1 Actually Tesla's have a towing mode. You can tow it them but the heavier your trailer the less range you will get. Also most of the charging stations aren't designed for trailers so it's a little tricky charging with a trailer attached.
A friend of mine is a tech at this company where he drives his mini work van 50 to 175 miles per day to service equipment and carries a few hundred pound red pounds of parts in the van....his company had him use a ev van to see how that would work with his job.....after 4 days he wanted his regular gas powered van back.....because of the issues with charging...took too long which interfered with his schedule....and he did not get the max milage from the ev with the weight he carried....it was just another headache that he did not need and made his job a nightmare....
@@maslowfirstlevelenergycomp7033 I have encountered several chargers that were broken for months. Plus waiting for a charge station to open. It happens.
@@maslowfirstlevelenergycomp7033 yes of course..the electric mercedes vito £50000 90 miles range with ideal conditions and no workload in the back .....fucking riddiculous and yes the problem is the Ev
@@jvc350 people do not take care of stuff. For example, Wawa customers here broke an air pump for tires three times. Finally, the store owner said f it, and refuses to fix it again.
@@redjonnyboy00 advanced enough to not generate enough energy for their own state. Those lithium mines aren't exactly eco friendly either but if it is in Australia, latin america and China your thought process must be out of sight out of mind.
@@funkysoulman3861 the lack of emissions while driving makes the car more eco-friendly than ICE cars after about 20,000 miles of driving (I would link study but links get comment deleted). You don’t know what you are talking about.
@@Andrewoo99 Electric cars are more poisonous than every gas car. You pro ev think they don't produce co2 so they must be eco. You don't know what you talking about. Making one ev (only the process of making) ev is more poisonous than just driving a gas car for 20 years. Also the electricity must be produced somewhere - powerhouse which need to produce more energy what comes with it is more co2 and more bad things. The batteries lithium ion aren't easy to recycle, furthermore they are really toxic. Ev are the worst thing that happened to automotive nowadays and I'm really sorry for idiots that believe these cars has something with ecology and that believe charging these cars is being sourced from only sun or wind.
We also have massive supplies of natural gas, solar, wind, nuclear, and water to power those stations. Every single oil and gas company has been investing in renewable energy over the last 30 years. They know where the market is going and have already made plans for it.
Coal is dirty and kills people. Not a good solution. Neither is gas and oil. Hydrogen seems a better way. I bet America won't wean itself off as there is too much money to be made. Certainly not with our political system of promises never kept.
Most electric power plants don't use coal anymore. It's actually far cheaper and more reliable to use natural gas. Solar is also catching up fast due to how insanely cheap it is to install in Fields and requires no maintenance. TBH, the biggest reason why electric companies are getting away from coal and oil isn't environmental. it's cost. Course you people would know that if you actually talk to somebody who worked at the electric company.
I feel like they should have a standardized charging port for all electric cars for all manufacturers like there's a standard gas nozzle for all pumping stations and for all manufacturers for their gasoline and diesel cars
What is confusing to the average Joe is that there are plugs standards for AC/Level 1 and 2 charging and then there are plug standards for Level 3/ DC fast charging. Yes, a Tesla plug is proprietary, but the Tesla plug can both AC and DC in a very slim form factor. Basically, if SAE copied Tesla, everyone would win.
In addition to the below, I’d imagine part of the problem is charging technology and speeds continue to improve. Should everyone stay on the same charger when someone invents one that can charge 10 times faster, because all existing cars can’t utilize it? It’s a lot more complicated than just pushing gas through an opening into a car.
At this stage of the EV transition, electric cars are a great fit for those who can level 2 charge at home, only use it for a city car and rely on a second ICE or hybrid vehicle for longer trips.
Agreed... and then there is the issue about building a lot of new power plants to provide the electricity to charge these EVs. This issue brings up a lot of inconvenient questions about how to fuel these power plants because sunshine and wind are not up to such heavy demand. The current grid is stretched in many places, especially when a lot of EV owners start charging their new EV. The state of Calif, for example, promotes EV purchase and use and then tells people when they can and can't recharge them due to grid load. We will need a LOT of new electrical generating capacity to replace the 143B gallons of gasoline consumed in the US in 2019, which is the most recent data on this.
If you have a home, then its easy enough to install your own wind turbine generators on the roof of your home. Amazon sells a number of different wind turbines, and some of them go up to 10,000 - 12,000 watts. If you also buy a battery power storage unit. Then you can use that power in your home as well, for a stove, TV, or other appliance as well, especially if you are not charging your EV at that moment in time. You also get to lower your electric bills as well. Its a win win.
Live in Minnesota and am a senior. We don't want to freeze to death or pay 39K for a electric car when we only drive 5-6,000 miles yearly. Additionally, I don't want a car that exploits child slave labor to obtain cobalt and lithium used for batteries.
I know it's not in fashion to shit on Musk now that free speech *may* come back to Twitter, but... Elon Musk: "We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it." 25Jul2020 In reference to Bolivia rejecting Telsa Cobalt mining in country,
@@KnowledgeDriven Elon Musk said that he wants to keep his critics on Twitter. I hope he goes with that. I don’t like Musk as a person, but if he sticks to his promise we do get a fairly decent online forum.
I've owned a Tesla Model S since 2015. It's been a great car and I enjoy it a lot. However on a long trip it really adds a lot of extra time to stop and charge. It the beginning it was fun talking with other "early adopter" Tesla owners, but now that they're ubiquitous, it's just a chore. Also, since they have become so popular, we often have to wait for an open Supercharger spot, and that is before we have to wait to charge!
@@bradh6185 No, I've never even driven it up to the snow. We live in the AZ desert. However, I believe they do well in snow & ice, especially the dual motor models as they are very heavy. It was the biggest seller of any vehicle in Norway for awhile, and I think that was one of the reasons. Probably stuff out on YT about that I'll bet.
The two issues holding EV acceptance back: too long charging times at commercial chargers and the reliability of such chargers in the first place. They need to solve both issues by 2026 to make EV's a lot more viable.
actually the real issues are 1) the use factor of chargers in public is super low, so their costs cannot be recovered in any reasonable time period 2) people running errands, are not in any one place long enough, to be able to use the chargers without being substantially inconvenienced 3) they have put thousands of chargers all over, but they are all too slow, as the power grid is not designed to handle fast charging that is tolerable to a user in terms of time to charge. 4) the power grid would need to be completely re-designed to handle the charging that the public would demand, and the costs would be north of $50 trillion in todays dollars, which by the time it could be re-designed, and actually built for EV's, would take another 50 years AT BEST. 5) EV's are entirely impractical for majority of todays vehicle owners, as their first costs are way too high, the usage is way too low, and the only viable use would be if a car were used about 50,000 miles per year in a taxi mode, where no one actually owns their car, and hails it like an Uber. Even then its totally impractical. The inherent problem is that a battery is not an energy source, like gasoline or diesel, and its only storing an energy carrier, which is electric. Electricity is not an energy source either, and ONLY an energy carrier, and a highly inefficient one at that. You can talk all day long about the efficiency of electric motors, but when they are using a wholly inefficient means of carrying energy, then its futile. By the time the electricity gets to the EV, its lost 65% of the original energy used to make that electron. EV's only push the POLLUTION to a different location than the street that the EV rides on. Consumers are delusional buying this crap.
@@markg3950 I was planning to get a Lexus hybrid this year, after reading this. I'm kinda wanting to get the 2022 Lexus 350 f sport awd model instead of the hybrid..
@Wooly Chewbakker You sure won me over...NOT. When you come at people like a religious fanatic your lost before you start. I apologize to any religious fanatics that were offended.
@Wooly Chewbakker "EN105 The Green Party is fundamentally opposed to nuclear energy, which we consider to be expensive and dangerous. The technology is not carbon neutral, and being reliant on uranium it is not renewable. We consider its use, moreover, to be elitist and undemocratic."
@@michaeldose2041 Wooly Chewbakker is the only one here who isnt arguing like a religious fanatic. also the only one bringing out facts. just calm down, sniff your daily dose of gasoline and fine dust might help relax ... ;0)
This does not surprise me as I can drive 383 miles on a tank of gas in my Honda Civic and only need to fill it up about every 2 to 3 weeks and have no worries about where to fill it and usually takes about 5 minutes. If I had an electric car I’m sure I would be plugging it in much more and live with worries about where to plug it in for quick recharge. I live in an Apartment in Canada where there are less electric cars and plug in places so I will be staying with my good Honda for a long time yet
Listen, don't believe the fud hype. I have a full electric Chevy Bolt and drive about 800 miles a week and it doesn't even have DC fast charging. I do have 240v charging at my house. That is a must if you put major miles on an EV.
Until a few years ago, I used to run a Honda Civic with a 1.6l diesel engine. It had a 50 litre fuel tank, and it’s range was an easy 1000 km, with about 5 l in hand. I almost never refuelled it remotely from where I live - I always did that from a store not far from home when it was convenient.
@@PD-yd3fr No, I live in Northeast US, New England state of Connecticut. I'm not sure how cold it gets, but I'm sure it is never -45. Lots of days below freezing, certainly. I think the coldest is 10F? This year. Definitely range reduction in the colder Temps, but I've always been able to make my 183 mile twice a week trip - sometimes with 25 miles of range left (which is low). The cars EPA range is 238. So I'm still getting a good percentage in the cold. But at -45 I'm not so sure your experience would be like mine. The colder it gets the more cabin heating you need and the more battery conditioning (heating the battery) you need. I would expect further reductions in range.
It's only low now to get as many fools onboard as possible. Then suddenly, there will be frequent political speeches excusing the price rises for EV charging.
@@jasonking1284 I'm an EV owner and I have no illusions that EV charging will go up. There are plenty of taxes on gas that are used to pay for the roads. Currently EVs are getting a free ride on road infrastructure. That said electricity is WAY cheaper per kilometer that they could triple the price of electricity for EV users and it would still be cheaper than gassing up.
Dan Miner You should be aware that more recent regulations mention separate smart meters for home chargers. Hmmmm... could be they want to maybe up the price at some later dates and maybe control how many miles you do and charge you lots extra if you go over the latest household quotas etc. It’s a lot of headaches most people can do without. A big loss off freedoms and flexibility for ordinary people with a huge pretence of “progress”. Nah, BEVs are crap. The only thing on the table that provide the same flexibility as ICE are Hybrids or Hydrogen Cell EVs. Those I would fully embrace and ARE true “progress”.
@@ph5056 Suppose a few hundred new ICE cars sell because, you know, it's a saturated market, and then instead of 20 EVs selling like last year, this year 40 sold, you know a few more curious yuppies jumped on the bandwagon. Now suddenly all the greens and government are shouting 100% more EVs sold, proof EVs are a huge success and huge demand. Big fucking con...
You failed to mention all the other problems, such as 1. Too heavy in the corners. 2. They really like to burn. Charging in your garage is a major risk. 3. Range anxiety, especially in colder climates. 4. Tesla suffers poor build quality problems and uses cheap materials. 5. Battery replacement is extremely expensive. 6. If you only slightly damage the battery that could cause a thermal runaway and fire. You cannot put the fire out. 7. Travelling outside cities can be risky when it comes to charging options. 8. They are not green to manufacture and if you charge of a coal or gas powered grid there is no green benefit.
and sell my identity to some coin with a dog on it, because my car started to drive into me after 1000km and i wasted an international space station ticket of money
Imagine this: A dead electric vehicle on the side of a road... being charged by a gas powered generator... which was brought in by a diesel powered roadside assistance service truck.
I’m happy with my Diesel SUV & a Diesel Sedan. In entire 650km journey, my SUV took around 5-7 mins Diesel refuelling time. One time full tank refuelling my sedan is enough to go for 20-25 days from point A to point C in my city.
I'm in the US, and these Koolaid drinkers never liked the Diesel, I've had at least 7. The Reality is EV's are NOT Green. All you have to do is REALLY Look under the hood. From Start to Finnish, they use Fossil fuels (Diesel) to create and ultimately Dispose of
Yes it can, without issue. The UK's National Grid have stated many times they are ready. Indeed, the National Grid were one of a number of organisations who pushed to get the ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles brought *forward* to 2030, from 2035. They are anticipating 9 million EV's on Britain's roads by 2030. The UK's grid has massive spare capacity during the night hours. They almost give the energy away at those times. It's when most EV owners - myself included - charge their car. And as it's the National Grid who actually run the grid, I'll take their word over yours thanks.
@@nakkadu disagree. Oil isn't evil…it is a highly efficient fuel source. The world CANNOT function on renewables…does NOT work. EV's have a LONG way to go and are NOT green if one looks at the whole picture…neither are solar panels nor wind turbines…
I feel sorry for electric car drivers and future owners. They will simply have to learn the hard way .. as I did. These things are a huge hassle, all those lost hours sitting in those charging stations, huge anxiety, plus a outrageous expense in the long run. Good luck trying to sell a used Electric car with wore out battery modules. You'll find out nobody wants to pay the ridiculous price of batteries ... Batteries are very ... very expensive to replace ( thousands of dollars) ... and make no mistake, you will be replacing them. These batteries are highly toxic to our environment, with a high potential for disaster to our surroundings. LITHIUM BATTERIES ARE NOT GREEN CLEAN ENERGY BY ANY MEANS! ... I wish I knew all this before I bought my car . Do your homework before buying !
It is all a scam to increase taxes on the public. The fact is that newer ICE vehicles produce far less CO2 than they did 40 years ago. They are less expensive to produce, have a longer lifespan, are easier to maintain. EV's on the other hand, have a larger carbon footprint than the ICE, overall. They do not last very long, are expensive to service and not something the average DIY'er can maintain. The lies were told about CO2 is also quite telling. For instance, Mt St Helens eruption released more CO2 than than mankind has since our dawn. CO2 is vital to life on earth. Global Warming is just the latest trick to put fear into the people. It greatly benefits the government, as they can get away with insider trading, thus making them richer. They can skew the results of studies in their favor, since they hold the purse. Many independent studies have proven man made GW/CC simply isn't true. Earth has natural cycles of warming and cooling and always has. Of course many of these honest studies have been buried, hidden away from the public eye. You can find them, but you have to do a lot of searching. Google knows quite well how to hide facts from us. "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Joseph Goebbels
First gas car 1887 first electric car 1890. There is a reason they have went out of style several times the 1990s was the last time. Its a fad honestly and a majority has to do with advertisements and the government with gas prices.
The car that makes most sense for a lot of people might be a hybrid such as the Toyota Prius. Taxi drivers love them because they move forward in the taxi queue using battery power & when they finish work charge them up at home fairly easily. A pure electric might make sense for people with a very short commute to work & can charge up at home.
Why might an electric car with a 200 mile (or more) range only be suitable for "very short" commutes? I did a 520 mile trip in my eNiro, charging just once before I returned home.....
This is what I’ve been saying for so long!! It depends on how long your daily commute is. I’m not the kind of guy who likes going for long drives. I’d rather take a plane. An ev is perfect for me. This is subjective.
@@chotatopips4177 True, but have you seen airline ticket prices lately? We travel to Florida to visit my family each year and usually pay around $300 per ticket. I looked a few weeks ago and it was over $700 per ticket $2800 for a family of four. The average cost to charge a Model 3 at Tesla's chargers is around $11.40. Round trip from Omaha to Orlando would take 30 charges...that's only $342. Charging time would take almost 4.5 hours with no one charging session taking more than 24 minutes. Most of the stops are only about 15 minutes. Totally worth it.
Hybrids can be a very good option. My mom has one and she almost only drives on electricity as she commutes to and from work and charges at home, but has the capacity of refueling quickly when needed.
facts. the production of an electric car puts off roughly 10x more emissions than building a gass one and also a gas vehicle has a much smaller carbon footprint as every single part can be recycled and reused until it cant be anymore
@@erick1076 What makes you think you can't re-use or recycle battery? I am re-using old batteries & in EU there is law that batteries have to be recycled.
Be realistic! Gasoline vehicles cannot be made illegal! There's a lot of antique and classic car cultures. And a lot of people spent thier lives and money restoring those vehicles. Taking away gasoline 100% will cause a revolt. Besides, a lot of us cannot afford a new (electric) car!
Governments are setting deadlines for newly produced vehicles not second hand vehicles. That means, the ones already in the market will still be used but car companies will not produce new ones by 2030 and onwards.
You missed the point. New cars will be made illegal they already have been in a lot of countries (by 2025). Im neutral on it i love my oldtimers but as long as they are allowed im fine with it.
I'm done with electric cars, I went back to gasoline because of all hassle associated with electric cars and trucks ! No more for me , I've learned my lesson and my " ELECTRIC CAR ANXIETY SYNDROME IS GONE " ... Happy days are here again !!
I’m on my second EV now and I still have my electric motorcycle from 2015. It is true that learning charging is more complicated than feeling up at a gas station, but charging your car at home is more convenient overall. Public charging is relatively rare for me.
@@showmytime9177 Appartment living is still a issue, but every person driving a EV makes gas cheaper for everyone. Orange is solving the multi-family building charging issue. In my area, rows and rows of charge stations are already up at appartment buildings.
@@KillroyX99 how can gas be cheaper if it's less demand for it? EVs will make gas more expensive, along with many plastics and construction materials, because those use petrol which won't be extracted if demand goes down
@@showmytime9177 , right now and for a while in the future, oil and gas are in high demand. Any reduction in consumption will lower demand and reduce prices. EVs are much more powerful at reducing oil consumption than hybrids. The large majority ~80% of oil use is for fules. We don't burn plastic so much.
@@KillroyX99 a reduction in oil and gas consumption will just drive their prices UP, the plandemic shown at least this, but if your world still has pink unicorns in it... just as an increase in EVs will bring their price down.
I bought the Chevy volt in 2012, it only got about 34 miles on a charge. It was a heavy pig of a car. Luckily I found someone who bought it. I lost a lot of $ on the whole fiasco. I’m very happy now with my 2015 Tacoma. (the place where I am now living has no outside charging)
You can go out in the middle of nowhere, and not worry about not finding a Super Charger. Like in at the Pacific Coast Highway 🛣 towards Big Sur, 3 fuel ⛽️ stations no electric power charging stations. Someone in a Tesla actually had to use a Gasoline ⛽️ powered generator to charge their Tesla there. lol There's no internet, and therefore, your music app doesn't work. There maybe 1 radio 📻 station .
The general public isn't "moving towards EV's, we're being forced to "move" to them by governments that want to ban gas vehicles in the next few years and are demanding that electric vehicles are the dominate ones.
Wrong. The market is doing it, not any particular Government. Volkswagen have sold their *entire* EV production for 2022, and into 2023. You think that somehow those people whom have ordered those cars have been "forced" in some way? Nope. I think it's what they *chose* to do......
@@Brian-om2hh when the government gives tax incentives to anything on the market like cars or lightbulbs in my state then the "government" is involved. Model-T fords sold because it made sense for the everyday citizen.
Or maybe you have to take a look at the current situation. Check how many cars and what type of cars most dealerships have available now. Check government incentives. You can say people had a choice but did they really.
I believe that hybrids are a good alternative for where we currently are as a society and infrastructure-wise. Hybrids really come into the sweet spot for urban driving where there is lots of braking and start/stop driving. They can run pretty much on electric there. And that is where most of the pollution is. They don't require grid upgrades and charging stations (although I know there are now plug-in versions available). And hybrids can survive away from charging stations and in the rural areas.
Yes. They are the best we can do. People always want better when we have to realize what we have is as good as it gets. The Rav 4 hybrid Prius are excellent
Nothing. You sort yourself out. How can you "buy" a car if it's free? The solution for you is amazingly simple. If you don't want an electric car, then don't have one.
@@Brian-om2hh TRUMP2020 (and yes, He will be back this year! There is no 46, stealing a crown does not make you king...bdn) Love the legit President (TRUMP!)
If I owned an EV it would become a lawn ornament during the winter. We lose power in Kentucky far too often due to all our power lines being above ground and we deal with very sporadic weather especially ice storms. We tend to lose power quite often and sometimes for long periods so we all have generators and ICE's and we tend to use cash most of the time. It is impossible for us to go EV as it would cause people to die when we run into power outages. They would become stranded. No one is going to redo the entire states electrical grid for EVs. It would cost way too much money and time. I see very few EV's and that is only in the cities. Once your in rural areas there are none to be found and I do not know anyone who would buy one. Out here you would be stupid to own nothing but EV's
Lived in Leesville (Louisiana) for years. Power went out during hurricane Laura for over a week. I own an EV. It's very possible. If you can't power an EV at home then you can't refrigerate, run laundry etc. You're painting a very, very inaccurate narrative that omits a bunch. Your lack of understanding does not mean others can't do some very basic reading and find that "oh I do own a refrigerator" equals they can run an EV. Thanks. Edit: I guess gas stations work on fairy dust and unicorn farts as well. Man you have such a weird but obvious disdain for EVs that comes out as ignorance towards electricity. I mean, do you fight off the wolves after a lady goes into labor in your parts for fear of the wolves stealing the after birth? Ridiculous lol.
With my car you can actually output 120v at 15amps for over 24 hours. You can plug your refrigerator into. If starts to get close to 24 hours. I can just unplug and go charge somewhere with power and then come back before the food spoils. With the new Ford F-150 lightning you can power your whole house. As far as using cash for charging, you have a point there, you can’t do it.
I think what you mean by city is actually suburb, if you're home is in the urban core it's the most difficult (only the very wealthy) to have dedicated chargers. it's ultra rare. If you live in a highrise built more than 2 years ago your parking spot won't have a high voltage charger, even some buildings currently under construction don't have them. And there is not an efficient mechanism for building wide retrofit, even if everyone in the building is willing to pay for it, the bureaucratic work will take years if not decades to bring about a high voltage retrofit to all the buildings. I guess it won't take as long as the initial introduction of electricity but it will take a long time. For upper and middle income suburbanites they make sense now, that's who all the youtube videos on how affordable evs are addressing - people with one or more parking spots they own (not part of a building owned by many) who drive moderate distances frequently. They are not for urbanites or people that often drive more than 200 or 300 miles.
On my way back from visiting friends in another state on the 4th of July weekend I was rerouted an hour and a half out of my way because an overturned truck carrying hazardous materials had shut down the interstate. I would have been in big trouble in a BEV.
@@MikeKov86 EVs are an emerging technology. 10 years ago the Nissan Leaf had a 50 mile range. Now most EVs get six times more range, around 300+ miles. In 10 more years we could get to 500 or 600 from a charge. So much that you're only charging a few times a week.
Yup! Sold my 21 Tesla model Y long range 2 months ago after 8 months of ownership as my primary car (I have 3 other gas cars). It was fun and all but for someone like myself who drives a whole lot (46k miles from 08/21-06-22) an electric car was not practical and we aren’t ready for the switch. My model y was an awesome machine and was safe and felt solid. My issues were the range (326 miles) was unheard of. It’s more like 210 In real world times. My battery went from charging the full 326 miles (although I never seen that range) to maximum of 312 miles (never seen that range either). Long road trips were a nightmare (think Houston tx to Pensacola fl normally a 8 hour drive took me close to 11 hours. My electric bill at home went from 180 a month average to 400.00 charging the Tesla plus a visit 2x a week to the supercharger for a quick charge or two bc the range sucked so bad. I sold my model Y within a few minutes of posting it on Craigslist for 8k more than what I paid. I honestly do not miss it one bit although I don’t hate it. I replaced it with a 2001 Lexus rx300 with 109k miles. I also have a 2017 corvette Z06, a 2020 F250 platinum diesel, and a 2018 trackhawk. The my was a nice car for my collection but I was not impressed. I’ll happily daily my 21 year old Lexus and enjoy the convenience factor. Having an electric car is a major pain in the a$$ if you drive a lot and or drive cross country. I’ll more than likely never own an electric car again but glad I experienced it.
If you have 3 other cars, I fail to understand the problem; unless you drive like 100km every day it seems it should be a no brainer to have a home-charged daily commute car and use one of the other 3 to drive cross country
@@jackmcslay my other cars gets horrible mpgs because they are heavily modified (not the f250), but it’s a big lifted heavy slow truck. It’s great for driving cross country actually and towing but that’s abt it. I do have a home based charger (still) for my Tesla although I sold the car but charging it daily literally ran my bill up by 60% last bill was 388.xx for the month and it was for April (prior to summer months where it peaks), from 160.00. It just wasn’t practical for my situation. The smarter thing would’ve been to buy a new RAV4 hybrid awd instead which would’ve been less expensive and much better in savings on operating costs. My 21 year old Lexus though is the absolute smartest choice and I paid 3k for it and it runs like an absolute champ and consistently gets 21 mpg and is paid for lol.
@@reaperzeero yessir I love it! Paid 3k for it and it’s in excellent condition (2 owner) and runs like a champ. Leather interior has nearly no wear and even the old ancient navigation works 😂. I will have her for a while. Currently has 133k miles
I feel sorry for electric car drivers and future owners. They will simply have to learn the hard way .. as I did. These things are a huge hassle, all those lost hours sitting in those charging stations, huge anxiety, plus a outrageous expense in the long run. Good luck trying to sell a used Electric car with wore out battery modules. You'll find out nobody wants to pay the ridiculous price of batteries ... Batteries are very ... very expensive to replace ( thousands and thousands of dollars) ... and make no mistake, you will be replacing them. These batteries are highly toxic to our environment, with a high potential for disaster to our surroundings. DON'T FOOL YOURSELF and CERTAINLY, DON'T LISTEN TO A SALESMAN, ... THEY WILL SAY ANYTHING, DO ANYTHING TO MAKE A SALE ! THESE NEW SPECIALIZED AUTOMOTIVE GRADE BATTERIES ... ARE NOT GREEN CLEAN ENERGY BY ANY MEANS! ... I wish I knew all this before I bought my car . Do your homework before buying !
Another reason overlooked in this video is the amount of driving we do in the US as compared to other countries. Electric vehicles are great for commuting to work, especially if you have a garage to park and charge overnight in. When your going long distances though, it can be a problem. I remember last year driving to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, where your driving for about 2 hours in the boonies. There was a Tesla doing about 30mph on the road that was posted for 50, and I couldn't figure out why the hell he was going so slow. We passed him, pulled over a few miles later at a vista point, then came up to him again still doing 30. Passed him again, then it dawned on me, he must be low on juice with no where to charge, and he's trying to make it to the North Rim as well!
This never happened. Going 30 below the posted speed limit won't necessarily save gobs of battery. There's also loads of Electrify America on the highways surrounding the Grand Canyon and this only accounts for Electrify, let alone Tesla, Chargepoint etc. This never happened.
@@BradsPitt I charge 18min per 180 miles (roughly, I'm being conservative). You're supposed to take a 15min break about every 2 hours regardless of motor type. Even if going 80 MPH, in 2 hrs we'd be at 160 miles and need a 15 min break. The issue isn't the waiting, it's people who think they don't need to take a break, endanger others, are scared of emerging tech and are paranoid they'd have to learn something new.
@@InitialFailure Me thinks you're bad at math. I'm glad you've found a niche virtue, but for the majority of people in countries like mine, EV's just won't cut it, currently. I drive 60-80 miles a day, no garage, and I don't have time the time to charge anything. Stopping for gas takes too long. If you want to address climate change, you should advocate for bringing back industry to western civilizations and talk to India, China, and Africa about having too many children. When EV's can do what an internal combustion engine can, you won't have to try so hard. Until then, you can stop eating and live outside naked, or maybe pipe down a bit on your arrogant tone and realize your little bubble isn't everyone's. Literally no one likes pollution or abusing the earth. We also don't want to live in the stone age.
Electric cars are not a solution and never will be. They are simply too finicky depending on temperature/weather and weight. ICE vehicles are as well, but the difference is it takes 5 minutes versus multiple hours to fill up.
@@kevinfernandez9999 my 2014 buick lacrosse hybrid and my 20 Nissan pathfinder rock creek are both paid off. I think i will enjoy life without a car payment for awhile...lol!!!
My wife and I own a 2016 Chevy Volt with now over 112,000 miles. My last trip I went 52 miles on electric and another 25 miles on gas when the battery was depleted. On gas only I achieved 53 MPG. No range anxiety and most of our local trips we can do just on electric. Chevy discontinued the volt and the last model year was 2019. Chevy should have continued with the volt type system as in this day and age Chevy could not keep up with demand.
You are correct, Chevy should have kept making the model. The total lifecycle CO2 emissions for a hybrid car, like yours is only marginally more than an all electric. So people dont have to wait for all elec cars or infrastructure to reduce carbon dioxide levels. In my case, even though I have solar on my house, can charge during the day, and have a huge community solar farm across the street that ensures I can charge directly from solar even on cloudy days, my yearly mileage and the price premium for a hybrid or all electric and CO2 payback make no sense to do anything but keep my ICE car.
Everyone is looking for one shoe to fit all (ie auto manufacture’s) and in America I doubt that will ever happen just because our diversity in needs. And a lot like me simply cannot come close to affording a BEV.
Let's see your chevy volt work in Rural America. No 10 minute jaunts here. Everything is at least 45 minutes away. No charging stations. Many of us in sub zero temperatures for half the year. And how about hauling cord wood and plowing our driveways?
@@nathanlambshead4778 I don't think anyone is asking electric cars to work in rural US right now. it's in cities it makes sense and it's in cities they would make the most difference. in 10-15 years when electric car tech has advanced a lot then it'll be time for people living in rural towns to switch to EVs.
@@Rymdkakor Radicals care nothing about 90% of America. And nothing is being said by any leftist about it. It is impossible for us to stop using gas and diesel. But they insist everyone must change.
My father drives an Opel Kadett E 1991, all cars made before 2004 don't need recycling, they're still running. You just have to take care of them, like everything else in life.
I can predict that EVs are going to fail in their present form. Lithium batteries will never be the answer. Unless they come up with a better battery that charges way faster, goes a lot farther and doesn’t damage the environment, not to mention the power grid it will never happen, gas power vehicles will never be replaced with this technology.
Let's be honest and stop referring to EVs as "eco-friendly" because they are not. 1) Where is the electricity coming from? If it is coming from coal, gas, oil as it is the case almost everywhere then your EV is a CV (coal vehicle) 2) Even if it is coming from solar and wind, those technologies aren't all that green yet. A lot of toxic waste there. 3) And let's not forget the batteries. They are toxic as well and involve slave labour.
My 2018 Mustang eco boost gets 32 mpg on the highway and with its 15 gallon tank it has a cruise range of about 480 miles. It’s a good blend of power, efficiency, and has a sexy, sporty design that turns heads. Why would I buy an electric that gets less range and costs twice as much? No thanks.
Hybrid cars are the way to go. Having petrol as a backup removes range anxiety. The EV infrastructure needs to be developed properly and charge times need to be greatly improved. Also, in the U.K. theft of cables for the copper is on the rise. The copper is sold for scrap.
@ Bill Green: Using any internet search engine use the search term: thieves stealing ev charger cables uk You will find multiple articles noting the theft of personal charger cables, the heavy duty cables of “super-charger” stations, and even articles noting that charger cable theft is fast replacing catalytic converter theft due to the easier opportunities of selling on scrap copper vs the need to process a stolen catalytic converter - “Industry experts predict that the cost of replacing stolen charging cables could dwarf the estimated £10 million per year expended on catalytic converters replacement in the U.K.”
@@theonlywoody2shoes I stand corrected. I don't think it is just for the copper. If your cable is stolen you will need to replace it otherwise you own a £40k brick. This is a lot of nails in the EV coffin. I bet the thieves are rubbing their hands with glee over the plan to ban sales of ICE vehicles.
@@billgreen576 There are some replies that hidden from me for some reason, but from your comment I can tell you that copper theft is a real thing. People will steal copper so they can sell it. I was a police officer for years. Drug addicts will steal even little bits here and there until they can get enough to add together. Copper is expensive.
Hybrids are not meant for longer trips and it's a intermediate step with disadvantages from both technologies: battery range is small, engine is often too small to drive with good performance. Within the next 2-3 years batteries will outlast all conventional gas or hybrid concepts.
@@sharonbraselton4302 Nope. They're actually the *worst* of both Worlds. Because one power source has to carry around the weight of the other when it's not in use.....
In the USA, I do not believe Deloitte's study at all. Outside of city dwellers, distances to travel in the USA are much greater than most Europeans see on a daily basis. Not to mention the fact that some car companies are starting to invest heavily in Hydrogen. If the car companies could get a partnership with Big Oil to offer Hydrogen at the service stations, this will spell the end of EV as Hydrogen fuel cells would be a huge advantage over EV's.
Parts and maintenance. I have a 2004 Jeep Wrangler that has 206,000 miles on it. Last starter was $72.40, new alternator was $136.90. Had to replace a headlight last month $23.99 (the entire round headlight, not just a bulb) Most recent clutch was $389.00 - And I do all of the work myself.
I had 2 Tesla Performance models last year. Both totaled for profit. Bought an M4. I loved the Teslas but they really were lacking something for me. I'm a car car guy. Like since childhood, my first poster was a Lambo. Second was a Ferrari. I LOVE motorsports. And the acceleration was fun. But overall, not all that thrilling. And u can really feel the weight
Yes and the cost for level 2 or 3 charges in the public are $40 or so. Not so cheap when everyone boasts how little they spend charging at home on 110 volts for 9 hours. Need a recharge while on the road? Who's going to sit still for an hour or more recharging and find value in that ?
What's going to happen if you're in a shady area at night charging? There was a shooting near one in my city, 100 rounds fired. The chargers near there are behind a structure and you could be ambushed by homeless people or muggers. It's just crazy.
No one seems to mention the issue of heat and ac, heavy drains on battery range. Gas engines provide heat for free, and ac for a negligible loss of mpg.
Biggest problem that’s overlooked is the EV charging station, apart from others being slower or more expensive to recharge, it’s also the process of charging them. Problems are that nobody wants to install an app and make an account for every single charger station, nobody wants to use their phone to initiate the charging of the car as well as activating the charger. Why can’t they have some system where you choose how much charge you want, then pay for it upfront with coins/bank notes or a debit/credit card instead of installing an app and having to go through some inconvenient process of activating the charger which has the chance of not working.
God forbid you have an emergency and need to leave unexpectedly and fast, like getting to hospital, getting called into work unexpectedly, wife or girlfriend needs you ASAP, your pet just got hit by a car and you need to rush them to the vet, you just realized you were supposed to be somewhere and you are late, EVs can be great when life is preplanned and we live in a perfect world, which we don’t, this will become a nightmare when everyone is forced to drive them, you won’t be able to find a charger, live in a condo, good luck charging on 110 volts, apartments forget it, probably not an option, what until it catches on fire, these things are very hard to put out, so expect a total loss, oh yeah hurricanes storm surge will wipe the wiring in your car and the charging system wiring because of the salt water. So that being said we need to stay diversified with gas and EVs for good balance.
Unless you drive between 50-100km/mile a day it's not worth it. New phenomenon will be charging station rage when people fight over the amount of time one charges at so few public stations.
@@Brian-om2hh I would agree, but people who drives a lot like this gentleman does. Tend not to spend much time for eating. I could be wrong though. This is more of “if it fits your lifestyle” choice.
You have identified most of the problems with electric cars. The hype to go green has failed to identify these problems because the goal is to sell electric vehicles. All you hear in the media is positive. The electric vehicle is useful to a very small segment of the population and is far from being a universal choice for transportation. The idea of placing all our transportation on the electric grid is a bad idea. It's like placing all our eggs in just one basket. Our electric grid is highly vulnerable to massive shutdowns and blackouts. The system controls are not secure and can be easily hacked. With the addition of wind and solar supplies to the grid and shutdown of the most reliable power plants who run on coal and fuel oil, the grid is no longer reliable 24/7/365. Economical charging is only available to families who own their homes, have installed a full solar system with backup batteries and high voltage charging stations in the garage. Then the range of the electric vehicles is nowhere near the range of gas powered vehicles. Widespread availability of charging stations is non existent and charge times are nowhere near the time needed to fill a gas tank. Non standard electric plugins also limits the actual availability of suitable charging stations. Travel in rural areas is very problematic due to lack of charging stations. So, for the local city dweller who owns their home and has a charging station in the garage and only makes local trips of less than 50 miles will the electric car be viable.
@@mrfishsticks266 doesn’t matter because it’s not as intermittent as renewable, unless you’re talking geothermal or hydroelectric but geothermal is limited based on how deep you have to drill to get the heat.
And if a terrorist group wants to make life miserable for cities totally reliant on electric vehicles, they don't need bombs or firearms, just attack an electrical station and the city shuts down since within 2 hours, nobody will be able to drive anywhere.
So if there is 5 electric cars in front of me at one of these charging stations. I have to wait 2 1/2 hours just to get the opportunity to change a car.
@@jasonking1284 I’m not buying one of those Now I will drive one if Elon musk gave me one of those Tesla trucks for free. But I have to get it for free
People download apps all the time on their phone and never complained. Why is downloading apps for public EV charging all of a sudden a problem? I don’t get it. This excuse is a bit of a stretch
It isn't the charging stations but even at a fast charging station takes twice to three times longer and doesn't have the range or durability in severe weather. It took my friend 7 days to go from Columbus, Ohio to Orlando, Florida because of distance on charge of his Tesla and how long it took to recharge. He would make the trip in 2 days with his Buick. He has sold his Tesla and now drives a Sienna.
Just like your cell phone, your new EV will be outdated and unwanted by other tech driven EV buyers before the tires are worn out. Even worse, GM states that it's only stocking replacement batteries for their EVs for five years. Not only is your battery bad you won't be able to buy a replacement.
We are a one car family with an EV and we only have a 120v outlet. We don’t wait until empty to plug in for 60 hours. We plug in every night and top up. We rarely ever use public chargers. Only for long trips (over 200 miles).
@@lemongavine ………you’re not allowing the batteries to fully discharge, so in affect they can develop a sort of “memory “ that tells the batteries this is as discharged as they’ll ever get so they get used to being topped off at that level (it’s called “memory “), and eventually they will never take a full charge, especially if they are allowed to discharge fully!
I don’t have a garage and we see sub freezing temperatures pretty regularly here. There is also only one charge station anywhere near my house. A few months back, I drove from northern Washington to Southern California in one day, out of necessity. An electric car would have added several hours to my trip to charge, not to mention caused me a significant amount of stress while waiting for the stupid thing to charge. I also regularly haul a trailer, travel long distances, and haul a significant amount of weight. An electric car just can’t meet those needs.
Traveling that kind of distance is what public transport or flights are for. Cars are inefficient at that task generally, I'd hate to pay the fuel cost for an ICE vehicle over 1300miles. The most I drive in a week is 150 and that costs me the equivalent of $60 fuel. I imagine the train on your route would cost nearly double that for 8 times the range.
@@stuartmorgan3654 what train? lol. Driving was the fastest way to get there. Couldn’t get a flight in time, and had to go immediately. Also, $150 bucks to go 1300 miles would be an absolute steal. There’s no way you’d be able to do it at that price, especially not a direct route.
Who wants to be slowed down on that family vacation to Florida and then find out there’s a power outage when you do stop to recharge,or the charger is broken.🤣🤣🤣👌🏽
Enjoying my '22 Model 3P so far, but I think I'd be less enthusiastic if it was my only car. We also have a gas and a hybrid. The more I think about it, hybrid is probably the ideal choice as it offers the best compromise of practicality and efficiency. But the Tesla is a blast to drive around town and if I wanted to sell it today, I could make a small profit on it because people are impatient and don't want to wait for a new one. These are valid points, though.
To me a plug in hybrid is the way to go currently until battery technology is greatly improved. A plug in hybrid like our 2022 RAV 4 Prime delivers currently 45 miles of electric range and 40+ MPG in hybrid mode once the battery is depleted. 45 miles is usually enough travel when at home to go to work and locally shop in which we do on a full charge. For instance if you use up the battery in the morning. You can plug it in at home and with a level 2 charger be fully charged in 4.5 hours to go another 45 miles or so just on electric. Depending on where you live, our rate with all fees and taxes included is 11 cent per KWH. So to drive 45 miles cost $1.98, to drive the same distance on gas, currently $5.39 a gallon, is over $5.50, a considerable savings.
Know of several people who went back to fuel for many reasons, 1 battery replacement is just as expensive as buying a new one, 2 recharging is more expensive depending on available locations, 3 repair takes 3X,s as long and your having to use a Gas loaner at your costs, 4 and most important is the cost to operate and prep your home to recharge. The tech for E- vehicles is not yet capable of keeping up with the cost of operation and effective ability to go longer distances. You feel trapped into it with limited ability and range.
I love how they're promoting these electric cars. If by some chance these electric cars really take off you're going to have to have a separate meter in your house separate electric bill to charge it that's when they will start gouging. You're going to pay a whole lot more to charge that vehicle then you will if you had a gas vehicle. The power companies are going to love it and they are going to take advantage of it....
I say that the U.S. GOV'T should invest in making all cars & small trucks i.e. F-150's Ram-1500's Chevy Silverados etc, etc, run on pure "ETHANOL " . It's better on the environment , and it's very easy to manufacture . You can make it from fruit , vegetables , grass , weeds , garbage , chopped down trees , & "manure" from both animals and humans . Now with all these different sources that ethanol can be made from , there's no excuse why this type of fuel alternative cannot be put into action!!!! The country of Brazil already run their vehicles off of pure ethanol . They make it from their # 1 crop.... sugar cane . I know what I'm talking about because this same topic was discussed on the T.V. talk show ; MEET THE PRESS . They verified this on their show .
Of course they will,but if everyone go's to ev's where is all of the electricity going to come from? Joementia wants to do away with the fossil fuels we use to generate electricity, and California and Texas have proved renewables are not reliable, they are having brownouts in California bc windmills and solar panels don't always work, the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow, and we have no control over the sun & the wind, in Texas the winter before last the windmills froze up and the solar panels got covered in ice & snow and it all stopped producing electricity, then the water stopped flowing in people's houses and froze up and burst,then there is the fact that the turbines and solar panels are made in China and Germany,so it does nothing for our economy.
Why would I need a separate meter? The amount of electricity that I use is the amount that I use and the electricity company doesn't care if used it to run a cooker, air condition my house or charge a car - you just use it and pay for it. I've had an EV for six years now and there's no force on Earth that could get me to go back to burnjuice.
I have two evs and will never ever go back to using expensive polluting fossil fuels. I have been saving around 80% in fuels and additional 80% on maintenance costs. Why should I want to go back?
@@javierortiz5137 Batteries are recycled and EV's are much greener over its lifetime than ICE vehicles. Sure, EV's start off not as green than ICE vehicles, but then it surpasses ICE vehicles after 2-3 years of use. After that it blows the ICE vehicle away.
I will never own an EV mainly because I cannot afford one and when I take trips I go to areas that there are no charging stations and even if they were at some areas that I go to all I do is stop to get gas and then move on so in a thousand mile trip it would take twice as long. gas prices are high right now but they will go down. And I guarantee you that once they switch to everything being electric the price is going to quadruple to charge your vehicle because they have to make money and then like most smart people know most of the electricity is made by fossil fuels and just to make one battery is a whole lot of mining which is going to be done with fossil fuels
Had my ev since 2016 but i recommend you use it as a city car, until the 400 mile range evs come out. I charge my ev overnight through my laundry room washers outlet and if I have to fast charge the station is at the Walmart by me. Im in South FL and the stations here are plentiful.
They were making full electric vehicles at the dawn of auto production in the early 1900s. The brand died out quickly as consumers quickly learned how costly and terribly inefficient they were compared to gas powered vehicles. History is repeating itself.
good points, I'm retired , only one car no daily short commutes as most of my kms are long trips. A PHEV is the best car for me. Toyota is the future, they recognize the value of hybrids
The thing that killed it for me was pulling in to charge and finding all the "free" chargers "dead". I still want to go back to electric, but waiting on the newer battery tech to come out. Considering an Aptera: free solar charging on sunny days.
The solution is hybrids. Hybrids can get insane MPG and some allow you to run on either electric or gas if one or the other run out. We are not yet at the point where 100% electric power is practical. Also, there's still the issue with battery replacements. Where are the batteries you get rid of going? How easy are they to replace them? How expensive is it to replace them?
Batteries will last over a decade maybe two. Same as a gas engine would. Mines at 10 years 200,000kms and still 90% range working fine. After use they are used in energy storage. As a house backup they are under much less stress so will go for another decade. Then they get recycled for the metals.
The solution WAS hybrids. Americans simply chose not to adopt them. Hybrid tech got as good as it could get and the industry moved on to new technologies, now Americans are telling people hybrids are the answer.
@@PURENT Problem is that it took companies forever to make hybrids that were fast, powerful, and fun The early Hybrids were dinky, ugly, overpriced cars that were slow and obviously aimed at tree huggers that wanted to brag about their car's 50 MPG while they drive around going ten below the speed limit. Even now, the Prius is overshadowed by much better cars in Toyota's own lineup, because it's still overpriced and it has no power. Honda's first hybrid was ugly as sin and has long been discontinued. It had to take Tesla to come out say, "Hey, cars that run on battery power don't have the slow and ugly" before the masses took electrical powered cars seriously. Also, some hybrids barely got more MPG over the non hybrid models. 10MPG is not worth the massive price increase.
@@Fools_Requiem Hybrids were designed to be economy cars, not toys. They weren't aimed at tree-huggers or hypermilers, that stereotype only really exists in the US where people unironically pride themselves on how much gasoline their car can waste. Meanwhile the average Japanese and European driver has a sub 100hp subcompact. And it's not like your average person was buying a quick car, they were choosing a base model Corolla and Civic over the hybrid version of those same cars. Or they were off buying Chevy Tahoes and Ford Explorers because of the nuclear arms race that Americans got into over having the biggest vehicle for safety. Besides there were toy hybrids: 2005-2007 Honda Accord hybrid V6 250 hp 2007 Lexus GS450h V6 335 hp. 2007 Lexus LS600h V8 445 hp.
It'll depend on what car you get, and how much and how far you drive it. But remember your gas/petrol bill will completely vanish..... I'm in the UK, and I don't often cover more than 150 miles per week. My charging costs, even after our recent 50% rise in the cost of electricity, are around £6 ($8) per week...... That said, we in the UK have cheaper night time charging, which normally costs around a third of the daytime rate.....
"Better" in what way? Certainly not cheaper to run, or more reliable, as they have over 2000 moving parts to wear out or break. An EV has around 30 moving parts....... For example Mike, the engine, clutch, gearbox, timing or fan belts, or the exhaust system on an EV cannot possibly go wrong or fail, because they aren't there!
Yet I regularly take my EV on road trips of ~500-600 miles (one way) with no issue. Had the car for over a year, and I have never ran out of juice. Not even close. Hmmm… How is that possible?
Electric vehicles will NEVER replace Gasoline powered cars. Hydrogen will. But that's still a few years away. The other advantage that Hydrogen powered cars will have is that they don't have the wildly toxic to make and wildly toxic to dispose of Lithium Ion Batteries.
My kid ran out of gas up on the mountain I took him 5 gallons from my selves . He went to town and filled up and was home in a half and hour. cant even think how long and what logistic hassle we would have had with a full electric.
Only time I ran out of gas was as a teenager as well. Today, driving an EV I'll never run out because the car gives all sorts of warnings to keep you aware when things get low.
Wait a few years when people realize their EV is worthless after ~100,00 miles when they want to trade -in on new model and discover nobody wants a car with a worn out battery that can't be replaced. Then they will have to pay dearly to dispose of their used EV as hazardous waste. This is going to be fun to watch!
I get 500 km per tank in my Rav and hate it. When I travel I feel like I am always refuelling. I think a car should travel 900 km per tank. People that drive 60,000 km a year for work or go on a lot of road trips 500 km is nothing.700 km should be bare minimum
@@bikingD i think its really depends on the road you’re traveling. Most of US interstate highway/motorway are straight and its really boring. My max mileage for every stop is 200miles, I have to stop just to empty my bladder or at least grab some refreshments.
Very interesting overview. I was one of the first buyers of a Model 3 performance. As part of my package I was given free lifetime supercharging. The funny part of it, I rarely use superchargers other than long road trips. My daily travel distance ranges from 120 to over 200 miles per day. With a home charging unit at 50 amps, the charger provides 40 plus miles per hour. More than enough in a few hours of a overnight charge in order to hit 80% capacity. When you talk about charging time even in an extended travel distance say 350 to 400 miles, I only need to charge on the road say 15 to 30 minutes at a 150/250kw (500 to 1000 charge miles per hour in order to top off). The issue is using the car for long distance travel - access to chargers, time involved and so on in order to make it to destination. Even thought this is an issue, I still use the Tesla for long distance travel. Most areas in the Tesla world have charging stations at hotels. The point is I make it to the destination charge overnight at the hotel no big deal. The inconvenience in long distance travel has not been a big deal for me; it has been more like the great experiment. The problem even with my EV at a 310 mile charge level 100% (I won't go into the issues related to this - there are a few); this is not enough for long distance travel, say across country taking time in as a factor. We are today just at the edge of 500 to 650 miles per charge, which is the claim with the Cyber Truck as one example. This will change 95% of the long distance travel issues. I will say in the 75K on my odometer, I have not had a single service requirement for anything other than tire replacement, and let's not forget the blazing performance and technology attached. An electric car isn't for everyone; however in my case it has served me well notwithstanding our current 6 to 7 dollars price per gallon in California.
I don’t have my own garage and where I live, there aren’t any tesla superchargers. And the few public chargers available are incredibly slow. In my case, EVs are an absolute no-go.
I live in LA, I have a level 2 installed at home and sometimes I do regret getting an EV. My car has a small range of 150 mpc so I can’t go anywhere past 70 miles, I want to make sure I have enough range to get home. Public charging stations are a mess, and I would not feel safe planning a tip around public charging.
I’ve been driving an electric vehicle for almost four years and I will not willingly buy an ICE car. I don’t have a home charging unit. I use public chargers. Also, depending on the size of the electric car’s battery you don’t have to fully charge your car every day. And electric cars are not for everyone.
@@javierortiz5137 As I mentioned above electric vehicles are not for everyone. I wasn’t working from home when I bought my electric vehicle. I am lucky that SF Bay Area has several free 2 hour chargers in nearby shopping centers. And also parking garages and commuter parking lots that have reasonable charging rates. I used to live within walking distance of a shopping center that had free 2 hour charging.
every other tow truck I see here has a Nissan leaf on it, or a Tesla. That range never last as long as it says, especially when you're running errands all over town side to side and back again to the other side.. miles add up super fast!!! Electric is fine, but they need a real 500 mile range and a 15 min charge time.
Not for me in the UK it doesn't. The cost has risen here by 50% now, so it costs me around £11 for a full charge in my Kia eNiro. I'm getting perilously close to paying 2.5p per mile now...... Why make such uninformed comments, when you clearly have zero experience of an electric car? Plus I generate some of my own electricity with my solar panels. You can't produce your own gasoline. And you've probably never charged an electric car in your life, so how can your comment be valid?
@@Gnofg Well Michael, here we are 8 months on, and electricity costs in the UK have risen, as they have almost everywhere else in the World. The cost of petrol and (particularly) diesel has risen sharply here too. My EV charge tariff now costs me 12p per kwh for overnight charging. My per mile running costs are now 4p per mile, which is roughly a 5th of the cost of running an economical small car. Quite where you read these so-called "studies" or who carried them out, I have no idea. But I know what it costs me to run my EV..... Why don't you provide a link to one of these "studies"?
One thing I think is crazy is that there’s no real proof that electric cars are better for the environment than gas!!! Not to mention our power grids won’t be able to support all those electric cars charging and AC in the summer ect.
The Tesla charge station by me has like 16 Tesla fast chargers. The transformer is the size of a large SUV. But it weighs as much as 3 large SUV's. It's handling 480 volts. And then there are 3 refrigerator sized rectifiers that are converting the 480 volt AC power from it, to 500 volt DC for the cars. The quick chargers according to the label on them are outputting an insane 500 volts at 350 amps!!! (175 kilowatts!)
My EV concern is the battery life, its just a deal-breaker for me. Even if you buy it brand new you are on the clock, and your range diminishes to the point that you will have to have a 13,000 dollar battery replacement....which is 3 times what my current daily driver cost me. This problem also means that buying a used EV is very suspect, which means that most average people will never be able to afford one.
There already is a ton of data on expected battery life, especially from Tesla. They batteries easily outlast the average IC vehicle (200k miles), numbers show that the can double that and Tesla are working towards - what they call - the million mile battery. The next major step is that car manufacturers will actually guarantee that lifespan or at least part of it, similar to how some brands already offer 7 year warranties on their cars. If that warranty carries over to second hand buyers, it would largely eliminate that issue. Besides, abtteries are fast dropping in price as well.
These electric cars are going to be completely worthless in 10 years or so. Once an electric car goes past its warranty, you'd be a fool to buy one. Imagine buying a £10,000 car , and then finding out it needs a £10,000 battery pack.
The trouble with electric vehicles is that you need to be technically minded and have a smartphone to be able to charge a vehicle unless you can charge at home and you don't need to make long journeys, I don't own a smartphone, I don't have a credit or debit card, I also don't have the ability to charge from home, the infrastructure here in the UK is also not very good, the cost of buying or leasing is too much for the average working person, until all of this is resolved, in my case, I can still buy fuel with cash, filling stations are available more or less everywhere, it takes minutes to fill up, I know how much I'm paying and I don't need a smartphone or credit card to have to pay, I'm old school, I pay as I go, if I can't afford it, I can't have it, it's that simple, I don't like credit, the only thing I've ever borrowed for is my house, everything else is paid for in cash. Smartphones, aps, even credit/debit cards are something I haven't needed, I don't have anyone to ask if I don't understand, so how do you find out what to do? I can ask the bank about using cards, but where do you turn when it comes to smartphones? My phone is used to make and receive phone calls, that's what I got it for, cash is better than cards as you know what you have is yours.
@@RasakBlood I have never used a smartphone, I will only buy a phone when my one gives up the ghost, at 26 years old, my old Nokia has never let me down and the battery lasts for days, although I've never used a smartphone, my sister has probably had 15 smartphones in the last 20 or so years (however long smartphones have been going), one of her biggest gripes is the battery life, a few of her phones, the battery hasn't lasted and she's not a big phone user, she doesn't do the social media thing, I don't know what else you can do with a smartphone but from what she says, my old Nokia will keep going. As for electric vehicles, all I want is a vehicle capable of getting me from A to B as efficiently as possible that I won't need to charge every time I use it, that I can charge once a week without the need for technology or credit/debit cards, memberships, or anything like that, just simply, recharge, pay for it straight away with the cash from my wallet and go, not have to pay by card, do whatever with a smartphone and pay parking charges whilst charging a vehicle, it's just not viable for the working class person who doesn't have off-road parking, and the opportunity to charge at work as the company I work for aren't interested in installing chargepoints. I am of the older generations, we didn't have computers in schools, I don't follow technology, I've never used a smartphone, I'm not of the throw away generation, I'm not interested in having the latest flash phones, I drive an 11 year old smart diesel, I don't have a TV set, I haven't got anything that requires remote control, no gadgets, I have a 2004 Yamaha XJR, a 1996 vintage mobile phone, they all work well and function as they should, why fix what ain't broken? So yes, if you see me as being stupid or unintelligent because I've never used a smartphone and don't even know what an ap is, I'll accept that, technology is being forced on the older generations when, for many of us, we don't have anyone to help or teach us, the younger generations have been brought up with this technology, us older people haven't, so yes, you're probably right, we're the ones who lack intelligence for not being taught this new technology.
@@Brian-om2hh again, for an old fart like myself, I don't know anything about contactless, because I've always dealt in cash, although all of this may have been going on for years, it's never affected me as I've still always been able to use cash, I know what I have, it's not in my pocket I haven't got it, at some stage I'm going to have to learn about contactless and how it works, I guess, even though I'm one foot in the grave, I'm still not too old to learn
It is true that while you have your EV from day 1 until its death, it is clearly more environmentally friendly than an IC. But you must also consider the production of the vehicle and what happens to the vehicle upon teardown after usage. The carbon footprint to produce an EV is more than double that of an IC. And the carbon footprint of the teardown of the EV (mainly the battery) is much less environmentally friendly than an IC. Data indicates that you need to drive an EV approximately 100,000 miles to be even with IC's. After you hit that bogey is only when you begin being more green than driving an IC.
@@Terrx If they have the required protective tech with them, yes. A lot of Teslas are getting to those miles now, and seem to have degraded very little. On the other hand there are the early Leaf models that have degraded a lot and weren't very strong to begin with. But some people say it can cost as "little" as $5k to replace the battery to something newer and better in one of those so that could be the way to go. From what I have read batteries need both cooling (for when they charge) and heat pump for cold weather. And they also don't use 100% of their capacity, more like 80% which is also to protect from degradation. So with batteries made today you should be able to expect them to last longer than the rest of the car (according to some people's housegod Musk), and it seems to be true on 2-3 year old cars. And once the batteries don't function enough for the car, they can be repurposed into solar panel batteries for regular households. :D
The carbon footprint of an EV is not double that of an ICE, it is only 20% more. This gap gets narrower as volumes increase and LFP batteries become more common than NMC. An ICE is far more damaging to the environment. To get from crude oil to gas in the tank uses huge amounts of electrical energy to pump, ship, refine and ship again. By the time your gallon gets into the tank it has already used up 50% of the energy potential in the crude. The oil industry also uses huge quantities of cobalt, it is the catalyst used to extract sulphur from diesel, the valuable cobalt is burned and gone forever, just like the fuel itself. Recycling rates for EV batteries is now up to 97% and set to go higher....although few EV batteries make it to that stage yet as they are more durable and long lasting than the average ICE engine. Latest data shows that once you have driven 18,000 miles your EV is already contributing positively to the environment, having made back the CO2 emissions when compared to an ICE car of similar size. The added benefit of course is not just zero CO2 emissions in use, it is the complete elimination of health damaging NOx, SO2 and particulates resulting from combustion. Internal combustion is a dying technology and pretty disgusting when you think about it and what goes into our lungs, especially in city areas. So before posting again, do your research or be prepared to be shot down by people like me who research this stuff properly.
Most of the comments here totally have no idea of where the electricity to charge their vehicles comes from. The marginal supply of electricity comes from fossil fueled power plants. EV's just move the pollution from the cars to the power plants.
@@philipdamask2279 Ah!, that old chestnut. Take time to research the subject, which is complex. The use of coal to generate electricity is falling fast, in the USA it has gone from 48% in 2010 to under 20% last year....Renewables provided 70% of all new generating capacity globally in 2020 and this proportion is growing. Where I live in France the grid is 95% Co2 free, no gas is used and coal is now less than 5%. This is worth a read. yes-electric-cars-are-cleaner-even-when-the-power-comes-from-coal
There is going to have to be twice as many charging stations than gas stations because you just cant fill up and leave like a gas car as quick. Going to be a big headache in future. This is not going to work. I'm afraid people are going to have to learn the hard way.
... on that final note many of us remember when 'no' internet thrilled us and a truck with a decent radio was all you needed to work or have a good time. People were absolutely more satisfied and fulfilled in life. Hence more options (today) leads to more trouble choosing and the less likely people are to believe they've made a good choice at all especially in these times when everyone flaunts 'the latest & newest best thing' over social media. People have become far less satiated for any length of time. Imagine the contentment whilst awaiting over half an hour to get charged up after every 200 - 300 miles on your next road trip!
If you got an electric car, you could just rent another car for your NYC to Florida keys roadtrip, after all you saved up all that money not buying $4-5/gal gas throughout the year.
Having an electric car will change the way you plan your journeys, you can't just jump in to go anywhere in a hurry, especially long journeys.
wriñé ektrç rv long roadvtripß
And how do you even tow a trailer? I doubt you can plan RV trips with a Tesla or Prius, which is a HYBRID. To my knowledge I have never ever seen a Prius towing even a fold-up trailer! Something suggests to me that this puts too much strain on the batteries.
@@largol33t1 Actually Tesla's have a towing mode. You can tow it them but the heavier your trailer the less range you will get. Also most of the charging stations aren't designed for trailers so it's a little tricky charging with a trailer attached.
Or you can just spend your vacation home. It's safer and..
you don't increase your "carbon footprint"! 😂🤣
Yeah, not really a “car” then if you equate “car” with “freedom of movement.” More like a status symbol. Expensive one at that.
A friend of mine is a tech at this company where he drives his mini work van 50 to 175 miles per day to service equipment and carries a few hundred pound red pounds of parts in the van....his company had him use a ev van to see how that would work with his job.....after 4 days he wanted his regular gas powered van back.....because of the issues with charging...took too long which interfered with his schedule....and he did not get the max milage from the ev with the weight he carried....it was just another headache that he did not need and made his job a nightmare....
Sounds like piss poor planning equals piss poor results.
The problem here is not the EV, but the people.
IT WAS A TEST. ...NO NIGHTMARE HAPPEN. ...IT WAS JUST A TEST...
@@maslowfirstlevelenergycomp7033 I have encountered several chargers that were broken for months. Plus waiting for a charge station to open. It happens.
@@maslowfirstlevelenergycomp7033 yes of course..the electric mercedes vito £50000 90 miles range with ideal conditions and no workload in the back .....fucking riddiculous and yes the problem is the Ev
@@jvc350 people do not take care of stuff. For example, Wawa customers here broke an air pump for tires three times. Finally, the store owner said f it, and refuses to fix it again.
You accidentally called California "advanced" and even worse, you called electric cars "eco-friendly" when they are absolutely not.
California is advanced, and electric cars are eco friendly.
@@redjonnyboy00 They burn coal to charge the cars. And california won't let people repair their own cars.
@@redjonnyboy00 advanced enough to not generate enough energy for their own state. Those lithium mines aren't exactly eco friendly either but if it is in Australia, latin america and China your thought process must be out of sight out of mind.
@@funkysoulman3861 the lack of emissions while driving makes the car more eco-friendly than ICE cars after about 20,000 miles of driving (I would link study but links get comment deleted). You don’t know what you are talking about.
@@Andrewoo99 Electric cars are more poisonous than every gas car. You pro ev think they don't produce co2 so they must be eco. You don't know what you talking about. Making one ev (only the process of making) ev is more poisonous than just driving a gas car for 20 years. Also the electricity must be produced somewhere - powerhouse which need to produce more energy what comes with it is more co2 and more bad things. The batteries lithium ion aren't easy to recycle, furthermore they are really toxic. Ev are the worst thing that happened to automotive nowadays and I'm really sorry for idiots that believe these cars has something with ecology and that believe charging these cars is being sourced from only sun or wind.
It's a good thing we have massive supplies of coal to power all the Battery Recharge stations.
We also have massive supplies of natural gas, solar, wind, nuclear, and water to power those stations.
Every single oil and gas company has been investing in renewable energy over the last 30 years. They know where the market is going and have already made plans for it.
@@89five3five the problem is you can call them unreliable. Most the time it isn’t sunny, or windy
Coal is dirty and kills people. Not a good solution. Neither is gas and oil. Hydrogen seems a better way. I bet America won't wean itself off as there is too much money to be made. Certainly not with our political system of promises never kept.
Most electric power plants don't use coal anymore. It's actually far cheaper and more reliable to use natural gas. Solar is also catching up fast due to how insanely cheap it is to install in Fields and requires no maintenance. TBH, the biggest reason why electric companies are getting away from coal and oil isn't environmental. it's cost. Course you people would know that if you actually talk to somebody who worked at the electric company.
Dead dinosaurs all the way.
I feel like they should have a standardized charging port for all electric cars for all manufacturers like there's a standard gas nozzle for all pumping stations and for all manufacturers for their gasoline and diesel cars
There is a standard port. Except for Tesla. Do your research.
@@garyching2567 , this is correct.
What is confusing to the average Joe is that there are plugs standards for AC/Level 1 and 2 charging and then there are plug standards for Level 3/ DC fast charging.
Yes, a Tesla plug is proprietary, but the Tesla plug can both AC and DC in a very slim form factor. Basically, if SAE copied Tesla, everyone would win.
@@garyching2567 Teslas sold in the UK use CCS.......or is that just the Model 3?
In addition to the below, I’d imagine part of the problem is charging technology and speeds continue to improve. Should everyone stay on the same charger when someone invents one that can charge 10 times faster, because all existing cars can’t utilize it? It’s a lot more complicated than just pushing gas through an opening into a car.
At this stage of the EV transition, electric cars are a great fit for those who can level 2 charge at home, only use it for a city car and rely on a second ICE or hybrid vehicle for longer trips.
Agreed... and then there is the issue about building a lot of new power plants to provide the electricity to charge these EVs. This issue brings
up a lot of inconvenient questions about how to fuel these power plants because sunshine and wind are not up to such heavy demand. The
current grid is stretched in many places, especially when a lot of EV owners start charging their new EV. The state of Calif, for example,
promotes EV purchase and use and then tells people when they can and can't recharge them due to grid load. We will need a LOT of new
electrical generating capacity to replace the 143B gallons of gasoline consumed in the US in 2019, which is the most recent data on this.
Use mine for extended trips and charging at home. Would only get a gas vehicle(older) for fishing.
So now you have to own 2 cars 😅.....
If you have a home, then its easy enough to install your own wind turbine generators on the roof of your home. Amazon sells a number of different wind turbines, and some of them go up to 10,000 - 12,000 watts. If you also buy a battery power storage unit. Then you can use that power in your home as well, for a stove, TV, or other appliance as well, especially if you are not charging your EV at that moment in time. You also get to lower your electric bills as well. Its a win win.
Not suitable for my Holidays. Nor for my work. That would be a very expensive car for going downtown shopping.
Live in Minnesota and am a senior. We don't want to freeze to death or pay 39K for a electric car when we only drive 5-6,000 miles yearly. Additionally, I don't want a car that exploits child slave labor to obtain cobalt and lithium used for batteries.
I miss living in Minnesota. Florida is getting too crowded. The hurricanes are frightening!
I know it's not in fashion to shit on Musk now that free speech *may* come back to Twitter, but...
Elon Musk: "We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it."
25Jul2020
In reference to Bolivia rejecting Telsa Cobalt mining in country,
@@KnowledgeDriven I never did like musk. I still don’t.
@@KnowledgeDriven Elon Musk said that he wants to keep his critics on Twitter. I hope he goes with that. I don’t like Musk as a person, but if he sticks to his promise we do get a fairly decent online forum.
U need edu.!.!!.! And the UpSA needs more charging stability and uniformity.!.!.
I've owned a Tesla Model S since 2015. It's been a great car and I enjoy it a lot. However on a long trip it really adds a lot of extra time to stop and charge. It the beginning it was fun talking with other "early adopter" Tesla owners, but now that they're ubiquitous, it's just a chore. Also, since they have become so popular, we often have to wait for an open Supercharger spot, and that is before we have to wait to charge!
fssteßt chsrg on earth the tksà leeß chàrg vióottß
Lots has happend since 2015;)
Have you driven your Tesla on icy roads yet? I'm interested in how they do in that condition.
@@bradh6185 No, I've never even driven it up to the snow. We live in the AZ desert. However, I believe they do well in snow & ice, especially the dual motor models as they are very heavy. It was the biggest seller of any vehicle in Norway for awhile, and I think that was one of the reasons. Probably stuff out on YT about that I'll bet.
@@bradh6185 yes I have. It is excelent on icy roads;)
The two issues holding EV acceptance back: too long charging times at commercial chargers and the reliability of such chargers in the first place. They need to solve both issues by 2026 to make EV's a lot more viable.
actually the real issues are 1) the use factor of chargers in public is super low, so their costs cannot be recovered in any reasonable time period 2) people running errands, are not in any one place long enough, to be able to use the chargers without being substantially inconvenienced 3) they have put thousands of chargers all over, but they are all too slow, as the power grid is not designed to handle fast charging that is tolerable to a user in terms of time to charge. 4) the power grid would need to be completely re-designed to handle the charging that the public would demand, and the costs would be north of $50 trillion in todays dollars, which by the time it could be re-designed, and actually built for EV's, would take another 50 years AT BEST. 5) EV's are entirely impractical for majority of todays vehicle owners, as their first costs are way too high, the usage is way too low, and the only viable use would be if a car were used about 50,000 miles per year in a taxi mode, where no one actually owns their car, and hails it like an Uber. Even then its totally impractical. The inherent problem is that a battery is not an energy source, like gasoline or diesel, and its only storing an energy carrier, which is electric. Electricity is not an energy source either, and ONLY an energy carrier, and a highly inefficient one at that. You can talk all day long about the efficiency of electric motors, but when they are using a wholly inefficient means of carrying energy, then its futile. By the time the electricity gets to the EV, its lost 65% of the original energy used to make that electron. EV's only push the POLLUTION to a different location than the street that the EV rides on. Consumers are delusional buying this crap.
@@markg3950 I was planning to get a Lexus hybrid this year, after reading this. I'm kinda wanting to get the 2022 Lexus 350 f sport awd model instead of the hybrid..
@Wooly Chewbakker You sure won me over...NOT. When you come at people like a religious fanatic your lost before you start. I apologize to any religious fanatics that were offended.
@Wooly Chewbakker "EN105 The Green Party is fundamentally opposed to nuclear energy, which we consider to be expensive and dangerous. The technology is not carbon neutral, and being reliant on uranium it is not renewable. We consider its use, moreover, to be elitist and undemocratic."
@@michaeldose2041 Wooly Chewbakker is the only one here who isnt arguing like a religious fanatic. also the only one bringing out facts. just calm down, sniff your daily dose of gasoline and fine dust might help relax ... ;0)
This does not surprise me as I can drive 383 miles on a tank of gas in my Honda Civic and only need to fill it up about every 2 to 3 weeks and have no worries about where to fill it and usually takes about 5 minutes. If I had an electric car I’m sure I would be plugging it in much more and live with worries about where to plug it in for quick recharge. I live in an Apartment in Canada where there are less electric cars and plug in places so I will be staying with my good Honda for a long time yet
Listen, don't believe the fud hype. I have a full electric Chevy Bolt and drive about 800 miles a week and it doesn't even have DC fast charging.
I do have 240v charging at my house. That is a must if you put major miles on an EV.
@@maslowfirstlevelenergycomp7033 Do you live in an area where winter temperatures go down to -45C/F?
Until a few years ago, I used to run a Honda Civic with a 1.6l diesel engine. It had a 50 litre fuel tank, and it’s range was an easy 1000 km, with about 5 l in hand. I almost never refuelled it remotely from where I live - I always did that from a store not far from home when it was convenient.
@@PD-yd3fr No, I live in Northeast US, New England state of Connecticut. I'm not sure how cold it gets, but I'm sure it is never -45.
Lots of days below freezing, certainly. I think the coldest is 10F? This year.
Definitely range reduction in the colder Temps, but I've always been able to make my 183 mile twice a week trip - sometimes with 25 miles of range left (which is low).
The cars EPA range is 238. So I'm still getting a good percentage in the cold.
But at -45 I'm not so sure your experience would be like mine. The colder it gets the more cabin heating you need and the more battery conditioning (heating the battery) you need.
I would expect further reductions in range.
@@PD-yd3fr he should go to Gospic in Croatia where winter can be to -30 degrees Celsius. nobody there would like to drive an EV
Imagine the surprise when people realize the price of charging will go up and up
Literally NOBODY has mentioned this. See this shit coming from a light year away…
It's only low now to get as many fools onboard as possible. Then suddenly, there will be frequent political speeches excusing the price rises for EV charging.
@@jasonking1284 I'm an EV owner and I have no illusions that EV charging will go up. There are plenty of taxes on gas that are used to pay for the roads. Currently EVs are getting a free ride on road infrastructure. That said electricity is WAY cheaper per kilometer that they could triple the price of electricity for EV users and it would still be cheaper than gassing up.
Dan Miner You should be aware that more recent regulations mention separate smart meters for home chargers. Hmmmm... could be they want to maybe up the price at some later dates and maybe control how many miles you do and charge you lots extra if you go over the latest household quotas etc. It’s a lot of headaches most people can do without. A big loss off freedoms and flexibility for ordinary people with a huge pretence of “progress”. Nah, BEVs are crap. The only thing on the table that provide the same flexibility as ICE are Hybrids or Hydrogen Cell EVs. Those I would fully embrace and ARE true “progress”.
@@ph5056 Suppose a few hundred new ICE cars sell because, you know, it's a saturated market, and then instead of 20 EVs selling like last year, this year 40 sold, you know a few more curious yuppies jumped on the bandwagon. Now suddenly all the greens and government are shouting 100% more EVs sold, proof EVs are a huge success and huge demand. Big fucking con...
You failed to mention all the other problems, such as
1. Too heavy in the corners.
2. They really like to burn. Charging in your garage is a major risk.
3. Range anxiety, especially in colder climates.
4. Tesla suffers poor build quality problems and uses cheap materials.
5. Battery replacement is extremely expensive.
6. If you only slightly damage the battery that could cause a thermal runaway and fire. You cannot put the fire out.
7. Travelling outside cities can be risky when it comes to charging options.
8. They are not green to manufacture and if you charge of a coal or gas powered grid there is no green benefit.
Yes, I love the idea of waiting 40 min for my car to charge while I’m in a sketchy area on a road trip 🙄
And so long to ANY Crosss Country trips. Unless you want to drink the Koolaid and jump on the BS Bandwagon of "I just go get lunch while charging"
and sell my identity to some coin with a dog on it, because my car started to drive into me after 1000km and i wasted an international space station ticket of money
You have "sketchy areas" where you live? Sorry to hear that. Where I live everybody is really nice.
@@marviwilson1853 you are bound to drive through or past a sketchy area on any road trip
@@BloodnightStudios No. Clearly not true. You can drive all day in Denmark say or Norway and you will never come across such places.
Imagine this:
A dead electric vehicle on the side of a road... being charged by a gas powered generator... which was brought in by a diesel powered roadside assistance service truck.
I’m happy with my Diesel SUV & a Diesel Sedan. In entire 650km journey, my SUV took around 5-7 mins Diesel refuelling time. One time full tank refuelling my sedan is enough to go for 20-25 days from point A to point C in my city.
My diesel sports estate can do a 650 mile journey on a full tank, that's going from south of the UK to south of France, on a single tank.
I'm in the US, and these Koolaid drinkers never liked the Diesel, I've had at least 7.
The Reality is EV's are NOT Green. All you have to do is REALLY Look under the hood. From Start to Finnish, they use Fossil fuels (Diesel) to create and ultimately Dispose of
@@Manu-Official So you drive 650 miles without stopping? Sure you do. lol
@@solexxx8588 My dad do it when we go fishing, we just stop once to have lunch
Ok. But is battery and charging tech improving? What happens when battery's hold 1000 mile range? You can only put so much gas in your car.
Not to mention the national grid cannot possibly handle this demand…🙄
Yes it can, without issue. The UK's National Grid have stated many times they are ready. Indeed, the National Grid were one of a number of organisations who pushed to get the ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles brought *forward* to 2030, from 2035. They are anticipating 9 million EV's on Britain's roads by 2030. The UK's grid has massive spare capacity during the night hours. They almost give the energy away at those times. It's when most EV owners - myself included - charge their car. And as it's the National Grid who actually run the grid, I'll take their word over yours thanks.
Yes it can. But we can't keep using oil
@@nakkadu disagree. Oil isn't evil…it is a highly efficient fuel source. The world CANNOT function on renewables…does NOT work. EV's have a LONG way to go and are NOT green if one looks at the whole picture…neither are solar panels nor wind turbines…
Alexandra: No more true over the time-frame for the US to go full electric than that the earth is flat.
I feel sorry for electric car drivers and future owners. They will simply have to learn the hard way .. as I did. These things are a huge hassle, all those lost hours sitting in those charging stations, huge anxiety, plus a outrageous expense in the long run. Good luck trying to sell a used Electric car with wore out battery modules. You'll find out nobody wants to pay the ridiculous price of batteries ... Batteries are very ... very expensive to replace ( thousands of dollars) ... and make no mistake, you will be replacing them. These batteries are highly toxic to our environment, with a high potential for disaster to our surroundings. LITHIUM BATTERIES ARE NOT GREEN CLEAN ENERGY BY ANY MEANS! ...
I wish I knew all this before I bought my car . Do your homework before buying !
It is all a scam to increase taxes on the public. The fact is that newer ICE vehicles produce far less CO2 than they did 40 years ago. They are less expensive to produce, have a longer lifespan, are easier to maintain. EV's on the other hand, have a larger carbon footprint than the ICE, overall. They do not last very long, are expensive to service and not something the average DIY'er can maintain. The lies were told about CO2 is also quite telling. For instance, Mt St Helens eruption released more CO2 than than mankind has since our dawn. CO2 is vital to life on earth. Global Warming is just the latest trick to put fear into the people. It greatly benefits the government, as they can get away with insider trading, thus making them richer. They can skew the results of studies in their favor, since they hold the purse. Many independent studies have proven man made GW/CC simply isn't true. Earth has natural cycles of warming and cooling and always has. Of course many of these honest studies have been buried, hidden away from the public eye. You can find them, but you have to do a lot of searching. Google knows quite well how to hide facts from us.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Joseph Goebbels
First gas car 1887 first electric car 1890. There is a reason they have went out of style several times the 1990s was the last time. Its a fad honestly and a majority has to do with advertisements and the government with gas prices.
@@JBMSTRIKER71 And artificial tax credits.
Thanks for HONESTY!
Try going back to gas cars when they are banned in 2035 or whenever it is!
The car that makes most sense for a lot of people might be a hybrid such as the Toyota Prius. Taxi drivers love them because they move forward in the taxi queue using battery power & when they finish work charge them up at home fairly easily. A pure electric might make sense for people with a very short commute to work & can charge up at home.
Why might an electric car with a 200 mile (or more) range only be suitable for "very short" commutes? I did a 520 mile trip in my eNiro, charging just once before I returned home.....
This is what I’ve been saying for so long!!
It depends on how long your daily commute is. I’m not the kind of guy who likes going for long drives. I’d rather take a plane. An ev is perfect for me. This is subjective.
@@chotatopips4177 True, but have you seen airline ticket prices lately? We travel to Florida to visit my family each year and usually pay around $300 per ticket. I looked a few weeks ago and it was over $700 per ticket $2800 for a family of four. The average cost to charge a Model 3 at Tesla's chargers is around $11.40. Round trip from Omaha to Orlando would take 30 charges...that's only $342. Charging time would take almost 4.5 hours with no one charging session taking more than 24 minutes. Most of the stops are only about 15 minutes. Totally worth it.
@@brandonlee93 oh wow, that's a huge difference. Makes for a fun family road trip too.
Hybrids can be a very good option. My mom has one and she almost only drives on electricity as she commutes to and from work and charges at home, but has the capacity of refueling quickly when needed.
There is no such thing as zero emissions!!!
facts. the production of an electric car puts off roughly 10x more emissions than building a gass one and also a gas vehicle has a much smaller carbon footprint as every single part can be recycled and reused until it cant be anymore
@@erick1076 What makes you think you can't re-use or recycle battery? I am re-using old batteries & in EU there is law that batteries have to be recycled.
@@andygreyriderGRN Sad but true. It is fine when you are healthy and then your not at that point it is too late.
Tru dat. Carbon free is a ridiculous phrase to be used in a carbon based existence
or god
Be realistic! Gasoline vehicles cannot be made illegal! There's a lot of antique and classic car cultures. And a lot of people spent thier lives and money restoring those vehicles. Taking away gasoline 100% will cause a revolt. Besides, a lot of us cannot afford a new (electric) car!
Afford, or even want one.
Also... gasoline is a by-product when oil is refined. What to do with this gasoline? Burn it??
Governments are setting deadlines for newly produced vehicles not second hand vehicles. That means, the ones already in the market will still be used but car companies will not produce new ones by 2030 and onwards.
@@TheLocalChurchExperience That's still fucking over every car manufacturer that produces them.
You missed the point. New cars will be made illegal they already have been in a lot of countries (by 2025). Im neutral on it i love my oldtimers but as long as they are allowed im fine with it.
I'm done with electric cars, I went back to gasoline because of all hassle associated with electric cars and trucks ! No more for me , I've learned my lesson and my " ELECTRIC CAR ANXIETY SYNDROME IS GONE " ... Happy days are here again !!
I’m on my second EV now and I still have my electric motorcycle from 2015. It is true that learning charging is more complicated than feeling up at a gas station, but charging your car at home is more convenient overall. Public charging is relatively rare for me.
try charging at home if you live at 10th floor with parking available only on the street.
"EV is a must because of my lifestyle!"
@@showmytime9177 Appartment living is still a issue, but every person driving a EV makes gas cheaper for everyone.
Orange is solving the multi-family building charging issue. In my area, rows and rows of charge stations are already up at appartment buildings.
@@KillroyX99 how can gas be cheaper if it's less demand for it?
EVs will make gas more expensive, along with many plastics and construction materials, because those use petrol which won't be extracted if demand goes down
@@showmytime9177 , right now and for a while in the future, oil and gas are in high demand. Any reduction in consumption will lower demand and reduce prices. EVs are much more powerful at reducing oil consumption than hybrids.
The large majority ~80% of oil use is for fules. We don't burn plastic so much.
@@KillroyX99 a reduction in oil and gas consumption will just drive their prices UP, the plandemic shown at least this, but if your world still has pink unicorns in it...
just as an increase in EVs will bring their price down.
I bought the Chevy volt in 2012, it only got about 34 miles on a charge. It was a heavy pig of a car. Luckily I found someone who bought it. I lost a lot of $ on the whole fiasco. I’m very happy now with my 2015 Tacoma. (the place where I am now living has no outside charging)
You can go out in the middle of nowhere, and not worry about not finding a Super Charger. Like in at the Pacific Coast Highway 🛣 towards Big Sur, 3 fuel ⛽️ stations no electric power charging stations. Someone in a Tesla actually had to use a Gasoline ⛽️ powered generator to charge their Tesla there. lol
There's no internet, and therefore, your music app doesn't work. There maybe 1 radio 📻 station .
Didn’t the Volt also have a gas generator built in?
34 miles on a full charge? Lol didn't you check that out before you bought it? Sounds like a joke of a car.
ítß hybdrre not ejtc hss kicks in
@@ChasingDifferentAdventures that video was a parody
The general public isn't "moving towards EV's, we're being forced to "move" to them by governments that want to ban gas vehicles in the next few years and are demanding that electric vehicles are the dominate ones.
Wrong. The market is doing it, not any particular Government. Volkswagen have sold their *entire* EV production for 2022, and into 2023. You think that somehow those people whom have ordered those cars have been "forced" in some way? Nope. I think it's what they *chose* to do......
And the government officials themselves don’t move around in electric cars! They still get driven in gasoline powered cars! The latest WEF proves it!
Climate change is kinda forcing us to do something...
@@Brian-om2hh when the government gives tax incentives to anything on the market like cars or lightbulbs in my state then the "government" is involved. Model-T fords sold because it made sense for the everyday citizen.
Or maybe you have to take a look at the current situation. Check how many cars and what type of cars most dealerships have available now. Check government incentives. You can say people had a choice but did they really.
I believe that hybrids are a good alternative for where we currently are as a society and infrastructure-wise. Hybrids really come into the sweet spot for urban driving where there is lots of braking and start/stop driving. They can run pretty much on electric there. And that is where most of the pollution is. They don't require grid upgrades and charging stations (although I know there are now plug-in versions available). And hybrids can survive away from charging stations and in the rural areas.
Yep. They are the best "green" option
@@dinoXAs2 could be, except for trains.
@@MsNickie1001 yeß hybrrdévràñß élrrç trànßvexißt
Yes. They are the best we can do. People always want better when we have to realize what we have is as good as it gets.
The Rav 4 hybrid Prius are excellent
@@ivanvalentin3898 yep, I think my Prius may be the best car I’ve ever had, except maybe my first Honda.
*WE NEVER BUY ELECTRIC, EVEN IF THE CAR WAS FREE!*
What you’re gonna do with us, the silent majority.
Excellent!
Nothing. You sort yourself out. How can you "buy" a car if it's free? The solution for you is amazingly simple. If you don't want an electric car, then don't have one.
@@Brian-om2hh well, I won't not even if DIESEL would be #20/USG. This is my personal anti-greta choice indeed.
@@Brian-om2hh TRUMP2020 (and yes, He will be back this year! There is no 46, stealing a crown does not make you king...bdn) Love the legit President (TRUMP!)
I would not trust you to know how to operate one based on this post lol
Your statement that EVs are zero emission is a bit misleading. I think coal powered cars is a more accurate statement
If I owned an EV it would become a lawn ornament during the winter. We lose power in Kentucky far too often due to all our power lines being above ground and we deal with very sporadic weather especially ice storms. We tend to lose power quite often and sometimes for long periods so we all have generators and ICE's and we tend to use cash most of the time. It is impossible for us to go EV as it would cause people to die when we run into power outages. They would become stranded. No one is going to redo the entire states electrical grid for EVs. It would cost way too much money and time. I see very few EV's and that is only in the cities. Once your in rural areas there are none to be found and I do not know anyone who would buy one. Out here you would be stupid to own nothing but EV's
Lived in Leesville (Louisiana) for years. Power went out during hurricane Laura for over a week.
I own an EV. It's very possible.
If you can't power an EV at home then you can't refrigerate, run laundry etc. You're painting a very, very inaccurate narrative that omits a bunch. Your lack of understanding does not mean others can't do some very basic reading and find that "oh I do own a refrigerator" equals they can run an EV.
Thanks.
Edit:
I guess gas stations work on fairy dust and unicorn farts as well. Man you have such a weird but obvious disdain for EVs that comes out as ignorance towards electricity. I mean, do you fight off the wolves after a lady goes into labor in your parts for fear of the wolves stealing the after birth?
Ridiculous lol.
With my car you can actually output 120v at 15amps for over 24 hours. You can plug your refrigerator into. If starts to get close to 24 hours. I can just unplug and go charge somewhere with power and then come back before the food spoils. With the new Ford F-150 lightning you can power your whole house. As far as using cash for charging, you have a point there, you can’t do it.
If the power is out you can't pump gas either
@@billpizzaman4700 No but that is why you keep your tank full and some stored in jerry cans
I think what you mean by city is actually suburb, if you're home is in the urban core it's the most difficult (only the very wealthy) to have dedicated chargers. it's ultra rare. If you live in a highrise built more than 2 years ago your parking spot won't have a high voltage charger, even some buildings currently under construction don't have them. And there is not an efficient mechanism for building wide retrofit, even if everyone in the building is willing to pay for it, the bureaucratic work will take years if not decades to bring about a high voltage retrofit to all the buildings. I guess it won't take as long as the initial introduction of electricity but it will take a long time. For upper and middle income suburbanites they make sense now, that's who all the youtube videos on how affordable evs are addressing - people with one or more parking spots they own (not part of a building owned by many) who drive moderate distances frequently. They are not for urbanites or people that often drive more than 200 or 300 miles.
if I run out of power, can I walk to a refill station ang get a can of electric to put in the car???
That's why EV's have a battery capacity meter. If you're really that stupid, then it wouldn't matter what powered the car.....
On my way back from visiting friends in another state on the 4th of July weekend I was rerouted an hour and a half out of my way because an overturned truck carrying hazardous materials had shut down the interstate. I would have been in big trouble in a BEV.
@@MikeKov86 Or call AAA and they can bring some gas. Still, I ordered an Aptera for local driving.
@@MikeKov86 It is better. I need the truck to tow the camper. Plus if one vehicle is in the shop, I still have one to drive.
@@MikeKov86 EVs are an emerging technology. 10 years ago the Nissan Leaf had a 50 mile range. Now most EVs get six times more range, around 300+ miles. In 10 more years we could get to 500 or 600 from a charge. So much that you're only charging a few times a week.
@@MikeKov86 What is the limit then?
the energy density of batteries is increasing all the time.
@@robertd9850 That makes a lot of sense for a two vehicle home where at least one person is likely to be working for the foreseeable future.
The Tesla service vehicles are internal combustion. That tells the whole story.
Really? Lol
@@-Muhammad_Ali- yep a couple people on my street have Teslas and on numerous occasions have had an ICE Tesla service vehicle in their driveway.
dafuq????
Yup! Sold my 21 Tesla model Y long range 2 months ago after 8 months of ownership as my primary car (I have 3 other gas cars). It was fun and all but for someone like myself who drives a whole lot (46k miles from 08/21-06-22) an electric car was not practical and we aren’t ready for the switch. My model y was an awesome machine and was safe and felt solid. My issues were the range (326 miles) was unheard of. It’s more like 210 In real world times. My battery went from charging the full 326 miles (although I never seen that range) to maximum of 312 miles (never seen that range either). Long road trips were a nightmare (think Houston tx to Pensacola fl normally a 8 hour drive took me close to 11 hours. My electric bill at home went from 180 a month average to 400.00 charging the Tesla plus a visit 2x a week to the supercharger for a quick charge or two bc the range sucked so bad. I sold my model Y within a few minutes of posting it on Craigslist for 8k more than what I paid. I honestly do not miss it one bit although I don’t hate it. I replaced it with a 2001 Lexus rx300 with 109k miles. I also have a 2017 corvette Z06, a 2020 F250 platinum diesel, and a 2018 trackhawk. The my was a nice car for my collection but I was not impressed. I’ll happily daily my 21 year old Lexus and enjoy the convenience factor. Having an electric car is a major pain in the a$$ if you drive a lot and or drive cross country. I’ll more than likely never own an electric car again but glad I experienced it.
If you have 3 other cars, I fail to understand the problem; unless you drive like 100km every day it seems it should be a no brainer to have a home-charged daily commute car and use one of the other 3 to drive cross country
You have my respect for getting a 2001 Lexus Rx300 its a fantastic vehicle!
@@jackmcslay my other cars gets horrible mpgs because they are heavily modified (not the f250), but it’s a big lifted heavy slow truck. It’s great for driving cross country actually and towing but that’s abt it. I do have a home based charger (still) for my Tesla although I sold the car but charging it daily literally ran my bill up by 60% last bill was 388.xx for the month and it was for April (prior to summer months where it peaks), from 160.00. It just wasn’t practical for my situation. The smarter thing would’ve been to buy a new RAV4 hybrid awd instead which would’ve been less expensive and much better in savings on operating costs. My 21 year old Lexus though is the absolute smartest choice and I paid 3k for it and it runs like an absolute champ and consistently gets 21 mpg and is paid for lol.
@@reaperzeero yessir I love it! Paid 3k for it and it’s in excellent condition (2 owner) and runs like a champ. Leather interior has nearly no wear and even the old ancient navigation works 😂. I will have her for a while. Currently has 133k miles
I feel sorry for electric car drivers and future owners. They will simply have to learn the hard way .. as I did. These things are a huge hassle, all those lost hours sitting in those charging stations, huge anxiety, plus a outrageous expense in the long run. Good luck trying to sell a used Electric car with wore out battery modules. You'll find out nobody wants to pay the ridiculous price of batteries ... Batteries are very ... very expensive to replace ( thousands and thousands of dollars) ... and make no mistake, you will be replacing them. These batteries are highly toxic to our environment, with a high potential for disaster to our surroundings. DON'T FOOL YOURSELF and CERTAINLY, DON'T LISTEN TO A SALESMAN, ... THEY WILL SAY ANYTHING, DO ANYTHING TO MAKE A SALE ! THESE NEW SPECIALIZED AUTOMOTIVE GRADE BATTERIES ... ARE NOT GREEN CLEAN ENERGY BY ANY MEANS! ...
I wish I knew all this before I bought my car . Do your homework before buying !
Any stats on how many have replaced batteries? Prob very few and only if you go 300K miles. At that point your gas car is dead.
Another reason overlooked in this video is the amount of driving we do in the US as compared to other countries. Electric vehicles are great for commuting to work, especially if you have a garage to park and charge overnight in. When your going long distances though, it can be a problem. I remember last year driving to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, where your driving for about 2 hours in the boonies. There was a Tesla doing about 30mph on the road that was posted for 50, and I couldn't figure out why the hell he was going so slow. We passed him, pulled over a few miles later at a vista point, then came up to him again still doing 30. Passed him again, then it dawned on me, he must be low on juice with no where to charge, and he's trying to make it to the North Rim as well!
This never happened.
Going 30 below the posted speed limit won't necessarily save gobs of battery. There's also loads of Electrify America on the highways surrounding the Grand Canyon and this only accounts for Electrify, let alone Tesla, Chargepoint etc.
This never happened.
@@BradsPitt I charge 18min per 180 miles (roughly, I'm being conservative). You're supposed to take a 15min break about every 2 hours regardless of motor type.
Even if going 80 MPH, in 2 hrs we'd be at 160 miles and need a 15 min break.
The issue isn't the waiting, it's people who think they don't need to take a break, endanger others, are scared of emerging tech and are paranoid they'd have to learn something new.
Not so good when you’re retired and you want to see the nation
They need to make electric vehicles with a type of alternator that charge the battery after it reaches a certain level, for example "33 percent.
@@InitialFailure Me thinks you're bad at math. I'm glad you've found a niche virtue, but for the majority of people in countries like mine, EV's just won't cut it, currently.
I drive 60-80 miles a day, no garage, and I don't have time the time to charge anything. Stopping for gas takes too long.
If you want to address climate change, you should advocate for bringing back industry to western civilizations and talk to India, China, and Africa about having too many children. When EV's can do what an internal combustion engine can, you won't have to try so hard. Until then, you can stop eating and live outside naked, or maybe pipe down a bit on your arrogant tone and realize your little bubble isn't everyone's. Literally no one likes pollution or abusing the earth. We also don't want to live in the stone age.
Electric cars are not a solution and never will be. They are simply too finicky depending on temperature/weather and weight. ICE vehicles are as well, but the difference is it takes 5 minutes versus multiple hours to fill up.
We kept our fuel efficient gas car for long trips and also have an EV for shorter trips around town.
Sell them both and get a rav 4 prime, the best of both worlds
@@kevinfernandez9999 my 2014 buick lacrosse hybrid and my 20 Nissan pathfinder rock creek are both paid off. I think i will enjoy life without a car payment for awhile...lol!!!
Just get a hybrid. Most people can't afford 2 cars first world problems
My wife and I own a 2016 Chevy Volt with now over 112,000 miles. My last trip I went 52 miles on electric and another 25 miles on gas when the battery was depleted. On gas only I achieved 53 MPG. No range anxiety and most of our local trips we can do just on electric. Chevy discontinued the volt and the last model year was 2019. Chevy should have continued with the volt type system as in this day and age Chevy could not keep up with demand.
You are correct, Chevy should have kept making the model. The total lifecycle CO2 emissions for a hybrid car, like yours is only marginally more than an all electric. So people dont have to wait for all elec cars or infrastructure to reduce carbon dioxide levels. In my case, even though I have solar on my house, can charge during the day, and have a huge community solar farm across the street that ensures I can charge directly from solar even on cloudy days, my yearly mileage and the price premium for a hybrid or all electric and CO2 payback make no sense to do anything but keep my ICE car.
Everyone is looking for one shoe to fit all (ie auto manufacture’s) and in America I doubt that will ever happen just because our diversity in needs. And a lot like me simply cannot come close to affording a BEV.
Let's see your chevy volt work in Rural America. No 10 minute jaunts here. Everything is at least 45 minutes away. No charging stations. Many of us in sub zero temperatures for half the year. And how about hauling cord wood and plowing our driveways?
@@nathanlambshead4778 I don't think anyone is asking electric cars to work in rural US right now. it's in cities it makes sense and it's in cities they would make the most difference. in 10-15 years when electric car tech has advanced a lot then it'll be time for people living in rural towns to switch to EVs.
@@Rymdkakor Radicals care nothing about 90% of America. And nothing is being said by any leftist about it. It is impossible for us to stop using gas and diesel. But they insist everyone must change.
My father drives an Opel Kadett E 1991, all cars made before 2004 don't need recycling, they're still running. You just have to take care of them, like everything else in life.
I can predict that EVs are going to fail in their present form. Lithium batteries will never be the answer. Unless they come up with a better battery that charges way faster, goes a lot farther and doesn’t damage the environment, not to mention the power grid it will never happen, gas power vehicles will never be replaced with this technology.
Let's be honest and stop referring to EVs as "eco-friendly" because they are not.
1) Where is the electricity coming from? If it is coming from coal, gas, oil as it is the case almost everywhere then your EV is a CV (coal vehicle)
2) Even if it is coming from solar and wind, those technologies aren't all that green yet. A lot of toxic waste there.
3) And let's not forget the batteries. They are toxic as well and involve slave labour.
My 2018 Mustang eco boost gets 32 mpg on the highway and with its 15 gallon tank it has a cruise range of about 480 miles. It’s a good blend of power, efficiency, and has a sexy, sporty design that turns heads. Why would I buy an electric that gets less range and costs twice as much? No thanks.
Hybrid cars are the way to go. Having petrol as a backup removes range anxiety. The EV infrastructure needs to be developed properly and charge times need to be greatly improved. Also, in the U.K. theft of cables for the copper is on the rise. The copper is sold for scrap.
What evidence do you have for your UK copper theft assertion?
@ Bill Green: Using any internet search engine use the search term:
thieves stealing ev charger cables uk
You will find multiple articles noting the theft of personal charger cables, the heavy duty cables of “super-charger” stations, and even articles noting that charger cable theft is fast replacing catalytic converter theft due to the easier opportunities of selling on scrap copper vs the need to process a stolen catalytic converter - “Industry experts predict that the cost of replacing stolen charging cables could dwarf the estimated £10 million per year expended on catalytic converters replacement in the U.K.”
@@theonlywoody2shoes I stand corrected. I don't think it is just for the copper. If your cable is stolen you will need to replace it otherwise you own a £40k brick. This is a lot of nails in the EV coffin. I bet the thieves are rubbing their hands with glee over the plan to ban sales of ICE vehicles.
@@billgreen576 There are some replies that hidden from me for some reason, but from your comment I can tell you that copper theft is a real thing. People will steal copper so they can sell it. I was a police officer for years. Drug addicts will steal even little bits here and there until they can get enough to add together. Copper is expensive.
Hybrids are not meant for longer trips and it's a intermediate step with disadvantages from both technologies: battery range is small, engine is often too small to drive with good performance. Within the next 2-3 years batteries will outlast all conventional gas or hybrid concepts.
I’ll never own an electric. Period.
What I got from this article.
EV's are great if you have an ICE vehicle for all the other times.
hybrrdé best bith worthdl
@@sharonbraselton4302 Nope. They're actually the *worst* of both Worlds. Because one power source has to carry around the weight of the other when it's not in use.....
In the USA, I do not believe Deloitte's study at all. Outside of city dwellers, distances to travel in the USA are much greater than most Europeans see on a daily basis. Not to mention the fact that some car companies are starting to invest heavily in Hydrogen. If the car companies could get a partnership with Big Oil to offer Hydrogen at the service stations, this will spell the end of EV as Hydrogen fuel cells would be a huge advantage over EV's.
Parts and maintenance. I have a 2004 Jeep Wrangler that has 206,000 miles on it. Last starter was $72.40, new alternator was $136.90. Had to replace a headlight last month $23.99 (the entire round headlight, not just a bulb) Most recent clutch was $389.00 - And I do all of the work myself.
What point are you trying to make?
I had 2 Tesla Performance models last year. Both totaled for profit. Bought an M4. I loved the Teslas but they really were lacking something for me. I'm a car car guy. Like since childhood, my first poster was a Lambo. Second was a Ferrari. I LOVE motorsports. And the acceleration was fun. But overall, not all that thrilling. And u can really feel the weight
Let us know when you wreck the BMW
Yes and the cost for level 2 or 3 charges in the public are $40 or so. Not so cheap when everyone boasts how little they spend charging at home on 110 volts for 9 hours. Need a recharge while on the road? Who's going to sit still for an hour or more recharging and find value in that ?
What's going to happen if you're in a shady area at night charging? There was a shooting near one in my city, 100 rounds fired. The chargers near there are behind a structure and you could be ambushed by homeless people or muggers. It's just crazy.
No one seems to mention the issue of heat and ac, heavy drains on battery range. Gas engines provide heat for free, and ac for a negligible loss of mpg.
Biggest problem that’s overlooked is the EV charging station, apart from others being slower or more expensive to recharge, it’s also the process of charging them.
Problems are that nobody wants to install an app and make an account for every single charger station, nobody wants to use their phone to initiate the charging of the car as well as activating the charger.
Why can’t they have some system where you choose how much charge you want, then pay for it upfront with coins/bank notes or a debit/credit card instead of installing an app and having to go through some inconvenient process of activating the charger which has the chance of not working.
God forbid you have an emergency and need to leave unexpectedly and fast, like getting to hospital, getting called into work unexpectedly, wife or girlfriend needs you ASAP, your pet just got hit by a car and you need to rush them to the vet, you just realized you were supposed to be somewhere and you are late, EVs can be great when life is preplanned and we live in a perfect world, which we don’t, this will become a nightmare when everyone is forced to drive them, you won’t be able to find a charger, live in a condo, good luck charging on 110 volts, apartments forget it, probably not an option, what until it catches on fire, these things are very hard to put out, so expect a total loss, oh yeah hurricanes storm surge will wipe the wiring in your car and the charging system wiring because of the salt water. So that being said we need to stay diversified with gas and EVs for good balance.
Just a quick correction...
EVs are NOT green
True, mine is red.
@@Lovingkindness. BOOM...
They do that, as well
Unless you drive between 50-100km/mile a day it's not worth it. New phenomenon will be charging station rage when people fight over the amount of time one charges at so few public stations.
I drive about 500km a day. I'm not going to be spending an extra 10+ hours a week filling up my vehicle.
@@ToddTinley You wouldn't. Like everyone else, you *have* to sleep. Charge the car then. You won't need your car when you are asleep.
@@Brian-om2hh If he's driving 500km a day he definitely needs to charge at least once throughout the day before he stops.
@@AW-gj4ji I'm guessing he has to stop for lunch, or perhaps some sort of work appointment? Charge then maybe?
@@Brian-om2hh I would agree, but people who drives a lot like this gentleman does. Tend not to spend much time for eating. I could be wrong though.
This is more of “if it fits your lifestyle” choice.
The current best cars are : hybrids and PHEVs
Full electric requires more charger facilities - which is not even 80% efficient and readily available
You have identified most of the problems with electric cars. The hype to go green has failed to identify these problems because the goal is to sell electric vehicles. All you hear in the media is positive. The electric vehicle is useful to a very small segment of the population and is far from being a universal choice for transportation. The idea of placing all our transportation on the electric grid is a bad idea. It's like placing all our eggs in just one basket. Our electric grid is highly vulnerable to massive shutdowns and blackouts. The system controls are not secure and can be easily hacked. With the addition of wind and solar supplies to the grid and shutdown of the most reliable power plants who run on coal and fuel oil, the grid is no longer reliable 24/7/365. Economical charging is only available to families who own their homes, have installed a full solar system with backup batteries and high voltage charging stations in the garage. Then the range of the electric vehicles is nowhere near the range of gas powered vehicles. Widespread availability of charging stations is non existent and charge times are nowhere near the time needed to fill a gas tank. Non standard electric plugins also limits the actual availability of suitable charging stations. Travel in rural areas is very problematic due to lack of charging stations. So, for the local city dweller who owns their home and has a charging station in the garage and only makes local trips of less than 50 miles will the electric car be viable.
Elon Musk has been pushing for more nuclear energy. He has a point
@@KaosNova2 Nuclear is not renewable
@@mrfishsticks266 doesn’t matter because it’s not as intermittent as renewable, unless you’re talking geothermal or hydroelectric but geothermal is limited based on how deep you have to drill to get the heat.
We all are dependent on electricity anyway. Hospitals.. railways..
And if a terrorist group wants to make life miserable for cities totally reliant on electric vehicles, they don't need bombs or firearms, just attack an electrical station and the city shuts down since within 2 hours, nobody will be able to drive anywhere.
So if there is 5 electric cars in front of me at one of these charging stations. I have to wait 2 1/2 hours just to get the opportunity to change a car.
Yes.... enjoy your new EV....
@@jasonking1284 I’m not buying one of those
Now I will drive one if Elon musk gave me one of those Tesla trucks for free. But I have to get it for free
People download apps all the time on their phone and never complained. Why is downloading apps for public EV charging all of a sudden a problem? I don’t get it. This excuse is a bit of a stretch
It isn't the charging stations but even at a fast charging station takes twice to three times longer and doesn't have the range or durability in severe weather. It took my friend 7 days to go from Columbus, Ohio to Orlando, Florida because of distance on charge of his Tesla and how long it took to recharge. He would make the trip in 2 days with his Buick. He has sold his Tesla and now drives a Sienna.
Modern EVs have a heat pump that can heat and cool at the same time. e.g. Cool the battery and heat the cabin.
Just like your cell phone, your new EV will be outdated and unwanted by other tech driven EV buyers before the tires are worn out. Even worse, GM states that it's only stocking replacement batteries for their EVs for five years. Not only is your battery bad you won't be able to buy a replacement.
Wow now that's a bummer, did they expect we change car like we change phone -_-
I personally wouldn't replace the battery. I'd have it refurbished for a fraction of the cost of replacing it.......
After owning a Tesla for 2 years, I have less than zero interest of going back to a gasoline car.
We are a one car family with an EV and we only have a 120v outlet. We don’t wait until empty to plug in for 60 hours. We plug in every night and top up. We rarely ever use public chargers. Only for long trips (over 200 miles).
EVs are trash, classics cars are better.
Sure millennial. Electric cars are useless junk. Just fancy toys for rich spoiled kids. Real cars are better. Real cars for real people. He he.
And you’re ruining the battery in the process
@@Wolf.88 How is that ruining the battery? Please clarify.
@@lemongavine ………you’re not allowing the batteries to fully discharge, so in affect they can develop a sort of “memory “ that tells the batteries this is as discharged as they’ll ever get so they get used to being topped off at that level (it’s called “memory “), and eventually they will never take a full charge, especially if they are allowed to discharge fully!
I don’t have a garage and we see sub freezing temperatures pretty regularly here. There is also only one charge station anywhere near my house. A few months back, I drove from northern Washington to Southern California in one day, out of necessity. An electric car would have added several hours to my trip to charge, not to mention caused me a significant amount of stress while waiting for the stupid thing to charge. I also regularly haul a trailer, travel long distances, and haul a significant amount of weight. An electric car just can’t meet those needs.
Exactly! I live in ny and it’s always freezing cold in the winter plus I don’t have a garage so it’s all gas cars for me
Traveling that kind of distance is what public transport or flights are for. Cars are inefficient at that task generally, I'd hate to pay the fuel cost for an ICE vehicle over 1300miles. The most I drive in a week is 150 and that costs me the equivalent of $60 fuel. I imagine the train on your route would cost nearly double that for 8 times the range.
@@stuartmorgan3654 what train? lol. Driving was the fastest way to get there. Couldn’t get a flight in time, and had to go immediately. Also, $150 bucks to go 1300 miles would be an absolute steal. There’s no way you’d be able to do it at that price, especially not a direct route.
@@stuartmorgan3654 I also think you missed the part about hauling trailers and larger loads over these long distances.
Who wants to be slowed down on that family vacation to Florida and then find out there’s a power outage when you do stop to recharge,or the charger is broken.🤣🤣🤣👌🏽
if there's a power outage, a gas pump won't work either.....
@@Brian-om2hh lots of gas stations have generators bud ,my local station does,why don’t you go snuggle with a tree! 🤣🤣🤣
@@Brian-om2hh really Francis ?🤣🤣🤣
Enjoying my '22 Model 3P so far, but I think I'd be less enthusiastic if it was my only car. We also have a gas and a hybrid. The more I think about it, hybrid is probably the ideal choice as it offers the best compromise of practicality and efficiency. But the Tesla is a blast to drive around town and if I wanted to sell it today, I could make a small profit on it because people are impatient and don't want to wait for a new one. These are valid points, though.
To me a plug in hybrid is the way to go currently until battery technology is greatly improved. A plug in hybrid like our 2022 RAV 4 Prime delivers currently 45 miles of electric range and 40+ MPG in hybrid mode once the battery is depleted. 45 miles is usually enough travel when at home to go to work and locally shop in which we do on a full charge. For instance if you use up the battery in the morning. You can plug it in at home and with a level 2 charger be fully charged in 4.5 hours to go another 45 miles or so just on electric. Depending on where you live, our rate with all fees and taxes included is 11 cent per KWH. So to drive 45 miles cost $1.98, to drive the same distance on gas, currently $5.39 a gallon, is over $5.50, a considerable savings.
Rav4 Prime is absolutely the best vehicle you can own right now. Too bad they make so few of them.
Absolutely totally agree , the way forward for now is definitely hybrid.....
@edwardschlosser1 right but comparing the comfort of a big suv vs riding in a Chevy sprint....come on.
Plug in hybrids are the best 👌
You were lucky to get a prime, we were told we’d have too wait 8+ months and there was no guarantee.
Know of several people who went back to fuel for many reasons, 1 battery replacement is just as expensive as buying a new one, 2 recharging is more expensive depending on available locations, 3 repair takes 3X,s as long and your having to use a Gas loaner at your costs, 4 and most important is the cost to operate and prep your home to recharge.
The tech for E- vehicles is not yet capable of keeping up with the cost of operation and effective ability to go longer distances. You feel trapped into it with limited ability and range.
If you have to use AC or heater, the EV range will decrease drastically.
I love how they're promoting these electric cars. If by some chance these electric cars really take off you're going to have to have a separate meter in your house separate electric bill to charge it that's when they will start gouging. You're going to pay a whole lot more to charge that vehicle then you will if you had a gas vehicle. The power companies are going to love it and they are going to take advantage of it....
I say that the U.S. GOV'T should invest in making all cars & small trucks i.e. F-150's Ram-1500's Chevy Silverados etc, etc, run on pure "ETHANOL " . It's better on the environment , and it's very easy to manufacture .
You can make it from fruit , vegetables , grass , weeds , garbage , chopped down trees , & "manure" from both animals and humans . Now with all these different sources that ethanol can be made from , there's no excuse why this type of fuel alternative cannot be put into action!!!! The country of Brazil already run their vehicles off of pure ethanol . They make it from their # 1 crop.... sugar cane . I know what I'm talking about because this same topic was discussed on the T.V. talk show ;
MEET THE PRESS . They verified this on their show .
Of course they will,but if everyone go's to ev's where is all of the electricity going to come from? Joementia wants to do away with the fossil fuels we use to generate electricity, and California and Texas have proved renewables are not reliable, they are having brownouts in California bc windmills and solar panels don't always work, the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow, and we have no control over the sun & the wind, in Texas the winter before last the windmills froze up and the solar panels got covered in ice & snow and it all stopped producing electricity, then the water stopped flowing in people's houses and froze up and burst,then there is the fact that the turbines and solar panels are made in China and Germany,so it does nothing for our economy.
Why would I need a separate meter? The amount of electricity that I use is the amount that I use and the electricity company doesn't care if used it to run a cooker, air condition my house or charge a car - you just use it and pay for it. I've had an EV for six years now and there's no force on Earth that could get me to go back to burnjuice.
@@hubertwalters4300 also windmills have a short time of use
@@franfinesim True.
I have two evs and will never ever go back to using expensive polluting fossil fuels. I have been saving around 80% in fuels and additional 80% on maintenance costs. Why should I want to go back?
Because you are polluting while your EV was made while charging it and even more when replacing the batteries. You need to consider all the factors.
@@javierortiz5137 Batteries are recycled and EV's are much greener over its lifetime than ICE vehicles. Sure, EV's start off not as green than ICE vehicles, but then it surpasses ICE vehicles after 2-3 years of use. After that it blows the ICE vehicle away.
I would never own an electric car without a 240v charger in my garage.FULL EVERY MORNING.
You live too far from your job site , period !
@@matronix1977 Oh,I see,they should move to the inner City where they would have to worry about being murdered in their own home or in the street.
Empty battery after 5 miles
I will never own an EV mainly because I cannot afford one and when I take trips I go to areas that there are no charging stations and even if they were at some areas that I go to all I do is stop to get gas and then move on so in a thousand mile trip it would take twice as long. gas prices are high right now but they will go down. And I guarantee you that once they switch to everything being electric the price is going to quadruple to charge your vehicle because they have to make money and then like most smart people know most of the electricity is made by fossil fuels and just to make one battery is a whole lot of mining which is going to be done with fossil fuels
Had my ev since 2016 but i recommend you use it as a city car, until the 400 mile range evs come out. I charge my ev overnight through my laundry room washers outlet and if I have to fast charge the station is at the Walmart by me. Im in South FL and the stations here are plentiful.
They were making full electric vehicles at the dawn of auto production in the early 1900s. The brand died out quickly as consumers quickly learned how costly and terribly inefficient they were compared to gas powered vehicles. History is repeating itself.
Definitely. ICE right now us the best technology for cars and other vehicles. Battery EV’s should be scrapped in favor of superior technologies.
@@charlesrodriguez7984 Such as?????
@@Brian-om2hh hydrogen fuel cell
I Would have an electric car as a second car.. but I couldn't rely on it. Hybrid makes more sense as a compromise.
I drive a used Prius. 52 mpg is pretty nice. I don’t dog it, and I don’t let the tank go below half full.
I agree. You can buy energy anywhere.
And you won't be able to rely on your hybrid once oil dries up......
good points, I'm retired , only one car no daily short commutes as most of my kms are long trips. A PHEV is the best car for me. Toyota is the future, they recognize the value of hybrids
The thing that killed it for me was pulling in to charge and finding all the "free" chargers "dead". I still want to go back to electric, but waiting on the newer battery tech to come out. Considering an Aptera: free solar charging on sunny days.
Free solar charging sounds good but how many hours does this take to recharge the battery in an EV?
The solution is hybrids. Hybrids can get insane MPG and some allow you to run on either electric or gas if one or the other run out.
We are not yet at the point where 100% electric power is practical.
Also, there's still the issue with battery replacements. Where are the batteries you get rid of going? How easy are they to replace them? How expensive is it to replace them?
Not just that, but Hybrids cut the losses from idling the engine by turning over to battery power. Also IIRC, aren’t there natural gas hybrids too?
Batteries will last over a decade maybe two. Same as a gas engine would. Mines at 10 years 200,000kms and still 90% range working fine. After use they are used in energy storage. As a house backup they are under much less stress so will go for another decade. Then they get recycled for the metals.
The solution WAS hybrids. Americans simply chose not to adopt them. Hybrid tech got as good as it could get and the industry moved on to new technologies, now Americans are telling people hybrids are the answer.
@@PURENT Problem is that it took companies forever to make hybrids that were fast, powerful, and fun The early Hybrids were dinky, ugly, overpriced cars that were slow and obviously aimed at tree huggers that wanted to brag about their car's 50 MPG while they drive around going ten below the speed limit. Even now, the Prius is overshadowed by much better cars in Toyota's own lineup, because it's still overpriced and it has no power. Honda's first hybrid was ugly as sin and has long been discontinued. It had to take Tesla to come out say, "Hey, cars that run on battery power don't have the slow and ugly" before the masses took electrical powered cars seriously.
Also, some hybrids barely got more MPG over the non hybrid models. 10MPG is not worth the massive price increase.
@@Fools_Requiem Hybrids were designed to be economy cars, not toys. They weren't aimed at tree-huggers or hypermilers, that stereotype only really exists in the US where people unironically pride themselves on how much gasoline their car can waste. Meanwhile the average Japanese and European driver has a sub 100hp subcompact.
And it's not like your average person was buying a quick car, they were choosing a base model Corolla and Civic over the hybrid version of those same cars. Or they were off buying Chevy Tahoes and Ford Explorers because of the nuclear arms race that Americans got into over having the biggest vehicle for safety.
Besides there were toy hybrids:
2005-2007 Honda Accord hybrid V6 250 hp
2007 Lexus GS450h V6 335 hp.
2007 Lexus LS600h V8 445 hp.
im also thinking owning an electric car. but does house oulet good enough for charging the car? second how about the cost for charging cars monthly?
It'll depend on what car you get, and how much and how far you drive it. But remember your gas/petrol bill will completely vanish..... I'm in the UK, and I don't often cover more than 150 miles per week. My charging costs, even after our recent 50% rise in the cost of electricity, are around £6 ($8) per week...... That said, we in the UK have cheaper night time charging, which normally costs around a third of the daytime rate.....
@@Brian-om2hh so $32 monthly compare to how much gas monthly?
Gas powered vehicle will always be better than a battery operated vehicle
"Better" in what way? Certainly not cheaper to run, or more reliable, as they have over 2000 moving parts to wear out or break. An EV has around 30 moving parts....... For example Mike, the engine, clutch, gearbox, timing or fan belts, or the exhaust system on an EV cannot possibly go wrong or fail, because they aren't there!
My sister rented an EV and it died going back to airport. She almost missed her flight.
LOLOL ...
Yet I regularly take my EV on road trips of ~500-600 miles (one way) with no issue. Had the car for over a year, and I have never ran out of juice. Not even close.
Hmmm… How is that possible?
@@ezpoppy55 - Simple. You’re a person that doesn’t mind wasting his time.
ñopé she need use Regen braking
People miss flights after driving ICE cars too..... what a pointless post.
Electric vehicles will NEVER replace Gasoline powered cars. Hydrogen will. But that's still a few years away. The other advantage that Hydrogen powered cars will have is that they don't have the wildly toxic to make and wildly toxic to dispose of Lithium Ion Batteries.
My kid ran out of gas up on the mountain I took him 5 gallons from my selves . He went to town and filled up and was home in a half and hour. cant even think how long and what logistic hassle we would have had with a full electric.
The vast majority of EV owners would make sure they had enough charge to avoid running out on a mountain.... But hey, you can't account for stupidity.
if it was BEV he could have just rolled down hill and used regenerative braking to gain battery charge
@@Brian-om2hh The same can be said for gas powered automobiles, and still people run out of gas.
Only time I ran out of gas was as a teenager as well. Today, driving an EV I'll never run out because the car gives all sorts of warnings to keep you aware when things get low.
the carbon emitted in the construction of E car batteries is equivalent to driving a gas car 80,000 miles.
False. The construction cost of an ice car is equivalent to 127000 miles of gas usage.
Absolute garbage. Where do you people get your misinfomation from?
Lol,this info sounds like Chevron or Saudi oil .
@@rainerdeusser Google ev white oil dirty secret
Wait a few years when people realize their EV is worthless after ~100,00 miles when they want to trade -in on new model and discover nobody wants a car with a worn out battery that can't be replaced. Then they will have to pay dearly to dispose of their used EV as hazardous waste. This is going to be fun to watch!
I interviewed a top energy expert on my home page vid. This expert warns that EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced
Yea, people who drives corolla have implanted camel’s bladder in themself so they can drive 700km straight. 😂
I get 500 km per tank in my Rav and hate it. When I travel I feel like I am always refuelling. I think a car should travel 900 km per tank. People that drive 60,000 km a year for work or go on a lot of road trips 500 km is nothing.700 km should be bare minimum
@@bikingD i think its really depends on the road you’re traveling. Most of US interstate highway/motorway are straight and its really boring. My max mileage for every stop is 200miles, I have to stop just to empty my bladder or at least grab some refreshments.
@@bikingD my diesel passat gets 100kms
@@jaybird3379 I know had a buddy who had a Jetta. Like 1,300 km per tank. Those VW's can go and go.
Very interesting overview. I was one of the first buyers of a Model 3 performance. As part of my package I was given free lifetime supercharging. The funny part of it, I rarely use superchargers other than long road trips. My daily travel distance ranges from 120 to over 200 miles per day. With a home charging unit at 50 amps, the charger provides 40 plus miles per hour. More than enough in a few hours of a overnight charge in order to hit 80% capacity. When you talk about charging time even in an extended travel distance say 350 to 400 miles, I only need to charge on the road say 15 to 30 minutes at a 150/250kw (500 to 1000 charge miles per hour in order to top off). The issue is using the car for long distance travel - access to chargers, time involved and so on in order to make it to destination. Even thought this is an issue, I still use the Tesla for long distance travel. Most areas in the Tesla world have charging stations at hotels. The point is I make it to the destination charge overnight at the hotel no big deal. The inconvenience in long distance travel has not been a big deal for me; it has been more like the great experiment. The problem even with my EV at a 310 mile charge level 100% (I won't go into the issues related to this - there are a few); this is not enough for long distance travel, say across country taking time in as a factor. We are today just at the edge of 500 to 650 miles per charge, which is the claim with the Cyber Truck as one example. This will change 95% of the long distance travel issues. I will say in the 75K on my odometer, I have not had a single service requirement for anything other than tire replacement, and let's not forget the blazing performance and technology attached. An electric car isn't for everyone; however in my case it has served me well notwithstanding our current 6 to 7 dollars price per gallon in California.
I don’t have my own garage and where I live, there aren’t any tesla superchargers. And the few public chargers available are incredibly slow. In my case, EVs are an absolute no-go.
@@BennnWJK You can always rent a bike.
I live in LA, I have a level 2 installed at home and sometimes I do regret getting an EV. My car has a small range of 150 mpc so I can’t go anywhere past 70 miles, I want to make sure I have enough range to get home. Public charging stations are a mess, and I would not feel safe planning a tip around public charging.
EVs aren't eco friendly.
I’ve been driving an electric vehicle for almost four years and I will not willingly buy an ICE car. I don’t have a home charging unit. I use public chargers. Also, depending on the size of the electric car’s battery you don’t have to fully charge your car every day. And electric cars are not for everyone.
I'm really curious how are you making it work for 4 years. Do you have a public charger very close to your home?
Sure, if you work from home it is an option.
@@javierortiz5137 As I mentioned above electric vehicles are not for everyone. I wasn’t working from home when I bought my electric vehicle. I am lucky that SF Bay Area has several free 2 hour chargers in nearby shopping centers. And also parking garages and commuter parking lots that have reasonable charging rates. I used to live within walking distance of a shopping center that had free 2 hour charging.
every other tow truck I see here has a Nissan leaf on it, or a Tesla. That range never last as long as it says, especially when you're running errands all over town side to side and back again to the other side.. miles add up super fast!!! Electric is fine, but they need a real 500 mile range and a 15 min charge time.
And it costs more now, to charge your car than to fill your tank with gasoline.
Not for me in the UK it doesn't. The cost has risen here by 50% now, so it costs me around £11 for a full charge in my Kia eNiro. I'm getting perilously close to paying 2.5p per mile now...... Why make such uninformed comments, when you clearly have zero experience of an electric car? Plus I generate some of my own electricity with my solar panels. You can't produce your own gasoline. And you've probably never charged an electric car in your life, so how can your comment be valid?
I think you might have to retract that statement. Any study will prove you wrong.
@@Gnofg That depends who is doing the "studying".......
@@Gnofg Well Michael, here we are 8 months on, and electricity costs in the UK have risen, as they have almost everywhere else in the World. The cost of petrol and (particularly) diesel has risen sharply here too. My EV charge tariff now costs me 12p per kwh for overnight charging. My per mile running costs are now 4p per mile, which is roughly a 5th of the cost of running an economical small car. Quite where you read these so-called "studies" or who carried them out, I have no idea. But I know what it costs me to run my EV..... Why don't you provide a link to one of these "studies"?
One thing I think is crazy is that there’s no real proof that electric cars are better for the environment than gas!!! Not to mention our power grids won’t be able to support all those electric cars charging and AC in the summer ect.
The Tesla charge station by me has like 16 Tesla fast chargers. The transformer is the size of a large SUV. But it weighs as much as 3 large SUV's. It's handling 480 volts.
And then there are 3 refrigerator sized rectifiers that are converting the 480 volt AC power from it, to 500 volt DC for the cars.
The quick chargers according to the label on them are outputting an insane 500 volts at 350 amps!!! (175 kilowatts!)
My EV concern is the battery life, its just a deal-breaker for me. Even if you buy it brand new you are on the clock, and your range diminishes to the point that you will have to have a 13,000 dollar battery replacement....which is 3 times what my current daily driver cost me. This problem also means that buying a used EV is very suspect, which means that most average people will never be able to afford one.
There already is a ton of data on expected battery life, especially from Tesla. They batteries easily outlast the average IC vehicle (200k miles), numbers show that the can double that and Tesla are working towards - what they call - the million mile battery. The next major step is that car manufacturers will actually guarantee that lifespan or at least part of it, similar to how some brands already offer 7 year warranties on their cars. If that warranty carries over to second hand buyers, it would largely eliminate that issue. Besides, abtteries are fast dropping in price as well.
So, you never heard of battery pack refurbishments then?
You get in one accident and your car is totaled.
Two words: Range anxiety.
These electric cars are going to be completely worthless in 10 years or so. Once an electric car goes past its warranty, you'd be a fool to buy one. Imagine buying a £10,000 car , and then finding out it needs a £10,000 battery pack.
The trouble with electric vehicles is that you need to be technically minded and have a smartphone to be able to charge a vehicle unless you can charge at home and you don't need to make long journeys, I don't own a smartphone, I don't have a credit or debit card, I also don't have the ability to charge from home, the infrastructure here in the UK is also not very good, the cost of buying or leasing is too much for the average working person, until all of this is resolved, in my case, I can still buy fuel with cash, filling stations are available more or less everywhere, it takes minutes to fill up, I know how much I'm paying and I don't need a smartphone or credit card to have to pay, I'm old school, I pay as I go, if I can't afford it, I can't have it, it's that simple, I don't like credit, the only thing I've ever borrowed for is my house, everything else is paid for in cash.
Smartphones, aps, even credit/debit cards are something I haven't needed, I don't have anyone to ask if I don't understand, so how do you find out what to do? I can ask the bank about using cards, but where do you turn when it comes to smartphones? My phone is used to make and receive phone calls, that's what I got it for, cash is better than cards as you know what you have is yours.
If technically minded is based on peoples ability to navigate a phone app my gods have the average intelligence of the world dropped.
@@RasakBlood I have never used a smartphone, I will only buy a phone when my one gives up the ghost, at 26 years old, my old Nokia has never let me down and the battery lasts for days, although I've never used a smartphone, my sister has probably had 15 smartphones in the last 20 or so years (however long smartphones have been going), one of her biggest gripes is the battery life, a few of her phones, the battery hasn't lasted and she's not a big phone user, she doesn't do the social media thing, I don't know what else you can do with a smartphone but from what she says, my old Nokia will keep going. As for electric vehicles, all I want is a vehicle capable of getting me from A to B as efficiently as possible that I won't need to charge every time I use it, that I can charge once a week without the need for technology or credit/debit cards, memberships, or anything like that, just simply, recharge, pay for it straight away with the cash from my wallet and go, not have to pay by card, do whatever with a smartphone and pay parking charges whilst charging a vehicle, it's just not viable for the working class person who doesn't have off-road parking, and the opportunity to charge at work as the company I work for aren't interested in installing chargepoints. I am of the older generations, we didn't have computers in schools, I don't follow technology, I've never used a smartphone, I'm not of the throw away generation, I'm not interested in having the latest flash phones, I drive an 11 year old smart diesel, I don't have a TV set, I haven't got anything that requires remote control, no gadgets, I have a 2004 Yamaha XJR, a 1996 vintage mobile phone, they all work well and function as they should, why fix what ain't broken? So yes, if you see me as being stupid or unintelligent because I've never used a smartphone and don't even know what an ap is, I'll accept that, technology is being forced on the older generations when, for many of us, we don't have anyone to help or teach us, the younger generations have been brought up with this technology, us older people haven't, so yes, you're probably right, we're the ones who lack intelligence for not being taught this new technology.
The charging infrastructure being installed now in the UK must by law have a contactless payment facility. No apps needed or required....
@@Brian-om2hh again, for an old fart like myself, I don't know anything about contactless, because I've always dealt in cash, although all of this may have been going on for years, it's never affected me as I've still always been able to use cash, I know what I have, it's not in my pocket I haven't got it, at some stage I'm going to have to learn about contactless and how it works, I guess, even though I'm one foot in the grave, I'm still not too old to learn
It is true that while you have your EV from day 1 until its death, it is clearly more environmentally friendly than an IC. But you must also consider the production of the vehicle and what happens to the vehicle upon teardown after usage. The carbon footprint to produce an EV is more than double that of an IC. And the carbon footprint of the teardown of the EV (mainly the battery) is much less environmentally friendly than an IC. Data indicates that you need to drive an EV approximately 100,000 miles to be even with IC's. After you hit that bogey is only when you begin being more green than driving an IC.
Pardon my ignorance but will the batteries in an EV last for 100,00 miles?
@@Terrx If they have the required protective tech with them, yes. A lot of Teslas are getting to those miles now, and seem to have degraded very little. On the other hand there are the early Leaf models that have degraded a lot and weren't very strong to begin with. But some people say it can cost as "little" as $5k to replace the battery to something newer and better in one of those so that could be the way to go. From what I have read batteries need both cooling (for when they charge) and heat pump for cold weather. And they also don't use 100% of their capacity, more like 80% which is also to protect from degradation.
So with batteries made today you should be able to expect them to last longer than the rest of the car (according to some people's housegod Musk), and it seems to be true on 2-3 year old cars.
And once the batteries don't function enough for the car, they can be repurposed into solar panel batteries for regular households. :D
The carbon footprint of an EV is not double that of an ICE, it is only 20% more. This gap gets narrower as volumes increase and LFP batteries become more common than NMC. An ICE is far more damaging to the environment. To get from crude oil to gas in the tank uses huge amounts of electrical energy to pump, ship, refine and ship again. By the time your gallon gets into the tank it has already used up 50% of the energy potential in the crude. The oil industry also uses huge quantities of cobalt, it is the catalyst used to extract sulphur from diesel, the valuable cobalt is burned and gone forever, just like the fuel itself. Recycling rates for EV batteries is now up to 97% and set to go higher....although few EV batteries make it to that stage yet as they are more durable and long lasting than the average ICE engine. Latest data shows that once you have driven 18,000 miles your EV is already contributing positively to the environment, having made back the CO2 emissions when compared to an ICE car of similar size. The added benefit of course is not just zero CO2 emissions in use, it is the complete elimination of health damaging NOx, SO2 and particulates resulting from combustion. Internal combustion is a dying technology and pretty disgusting when you think about it and what goes into our lungs, especially in city areas. So before posting again, do your research or be prepared to be shot down by people like me who research this stuff properly.
Most of the comments here totally have no idea of where the electricity to charge their vehicles comes from. The marginal supply of electricity comes from fossil fueled power plants. EV's just move the pollution from the cars to the power plants.
@@philipdamask2279 Ah!, that old chestnut. Take time to research the subject, which is complex. The use of coal to generate electricity is falling fast, in the USA it has gone from 48% in 2010 to under 20% last year....Renewables provided 70% of all new generating capacity globally in 2020 and this proportion is growing. Where I live in France the grid is 95% Co2 free, no gas is used and coal is now less than 5%. This is worth a read. yes-electric-cars-are-cleaner-even-when-the-power-comes-from-coal
There is going to have to be twice as many charging stations than gas stations because you just cant fill up and leave like a gas car as quick. Going to be a big headache in future. This is not going to work. I'm afraid people are going to have to learn the hard way.
... on that final note many of us remember when 'no' internet thrilled us and a truck with a decent radio was all you needed to work or have a good time. People were absolutely more satisfied and fulfilled in life. Hence more options (today) leads to more trouble choosing and the less likely people are to believe they've made a good choice at all especially in these times when everyone flaunts 'the latest & newest best thing' over social media. People have become far less satiated for any length of time.
Imagine the contentment whilst awaiting over half an hour to get charged up after every 200 - 300 miles on your next road trip!
Internet and EVs are completely different situations.
@@javierortiz5137 ... Yeah. I get the subjective differences however there are similar ties drawn about the infusion of tech on the populace.
So then, How many Hours do you need to stay stationary on each New York City to South FLORIDA trip, just to recharge that quick drain battery ? ?
If you got an electric car, you could just rent another car for your NYC to Florida keys roadtrip, after all you saved up all that money not buying $4-5/gal gas throughout the year.