You are a great teacher. You have a knack for explaining complicated concepts in simple terms so simple minds like mine understand them. Thanks! New subscriber.
Greetings & Merry Christmas Michael ! Many thanks for the positive feedback - please watch for upcoming videos when I "get back to the basics" of this innovative shooting method ! Cheers, -Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Thanks for sharing ur wisdom sir. Been very successful this far. I must admit that it was a sudden change from my usual anchor n pull. So far everything again, things seem to be right on!! 😂😂😂
Greetings Mahskawah and welcome to VOGTLAND OUTDOORS ! MUSIC TO MY EARS that you see value in this technique. WHATEVER helps you become an avid BAREBOW archer ! Cheers, -Mark Vogt
Hi Mark Greetings from Ireland Got my first bow one week ago I'm 57 years old have alot of experience in trap AtA shooting But no archery experience at all your method made alot of sence to me so I tried it WOW all my arrows at the right Hight for finger distance left and rights few inches away And I got all this in the first 20 minutes Very grateful to you 👍
Greetings Gerry and welcome to VOGTLAND OUTDOORS ! Being my mother was a full-blooded "Allen" born of Welsh and Irish blood, I like you already ;-) Your first experience using this oh-so-simple method? MUSIC TO MY EARS ! That you also enjoy TRAP SHOOTING (as do I)? MORE MUSIC TO MY EARS... but a DAMNED EXPENSIVE HOBBY, yes? One of my most-prized possessions is a KAHN 12ga over-under trap shotgun; paid more for it than I can post here (my wife reads all of this, and if she knew, she'd slay me), but the REALITY of both TRAP SHOOTING (which I enjoy) and shooting SPORTING CLAYS (which I ADORE!) is that it's DAMNED EXPENSIVE - here in the USA even using PUBLIC land to shoot on, so your (cheap) "target loads" run about $50 a box (about $1 USD per shell); IMAGINE if you had to pay $1 for EVERY ARROW you shot ! TELL ME MORE about the DISTANCES at which you're shooting, and your bow's DRAW WEIGHT. In the meantime, watch some of the shorter (newer?) videos in this playlist: th-cam.com/video/Oa01moaIp7c/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/LycSMBgGTxE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/IncOzJ6KC4s/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/K_PcROO3Pdg/w-d-xo.html Cheers, -Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Hi Mark my bow is a win_win barebow 30 pound draw weight. I needed information and proper guidance and not information overload!! So you're videos were perfect. But I did cheat on you with a jaķe kaminski video where he set his crawl marks by turning a target face backwards and putting a line of electric tape across it and walked backwards 10 15 20 25 30 .I did this on Saturday with my glove and now these glove distances are in my head Biggish thing I got from you is a true beginner can shoot quite accurate which is very positive Thanks mark
Hi Gerry, First off - I LIKE JAKE ! I MEAN that. So... you "cheated" on me? HA ! WHAT IF I TOLD YOU that last-last year - when my channel was just getting started - I also saw that Jake had announced he was SWITCHING TO SHOOTING BAREBOW, and then he & his wife had videos of them trying to figure out how to hit 50m targets, and were falling short... ... so I COMMENTED on that video, suggested that if they BOTH began anchoring UNDER their chins (not ALONGSIDE their cheeks), they would immediately GAIN DISTANCE while ALSO gaining ACCURACY. I'd HOPED that I'd get some comments from Jake & Mrs Jake on MY channel, on ANY of my videos, but I was disappointed as days turned into weeks turned into months with no contact :-| ... Then as I recently (this year) began watching some of Jake's newer videos (I AM a long-time subscriber to HIS channel), what do I notice but Jake's ANCHOR has begun DROPPING LOWER and LOWER - until for all intents & purposes it's UNDER his chin :-O NOT KIDDING - go watch Jake's videos starting (say) 5 YEARS ago, and then compare his anchor to THIS year - you'll see the same thing ! JAKE VIDEO 2009: th-cam.com/video/JUylI8zXMF0/w-d-xo.html TIME STAMP 0:08 - Jake is using "textbook" Olympic Archery anchor-UNDER-the-chin form :-) JAKE VIDEO 2020: Jake switches to BAREBOW, and is (still) exploring anchor positions: th-cam.com/video/Cwag9sQpFr8/w-d-xo.html TIME STAMP 6:34 - Jake's anchor is now clearly ALONG his cheek (but already dropping), and above his chin by a full 1 1/2 fingers (which means he's ADDING error while LOSING range) - interesting ! NOW IT GETS INTERESTING... JAKE VIDEO 2022: (about 5 months ago, so SUMMER 2022): Jake's Barebow continues to evolve th-cam.com/video/HzMDP03SIfQ/w-d-xo.html TIME STAMP 7: 13 - LOOK at Jake's CURRENT Barebow anchor position ! UNDER THE CHIN !!! SO WHAT AM I SAYING? At the very least - I'M in GOOD COMPANY ;-), because one of the best shooters in the world - and certainly among the best INSTRUCTORS and one of TH-cam most important "Archery Personalities" has clearly tried NUMEROUS methods, has no doubt intelligently evaluated each of them, and is now (currently) anchoring in a manner completely in agreement with the VOGTLAND SHOOTING METHOD :-) Now if I can just get him to start STRING WALKING using MY technique (instead of ducktape-on-the-back-of-the-target), I will be pleased beyond words, because JUST IMAGINE someone as ALREADY skilled, capable and oh-so-cool-when-he-shoots like JAKE KAMINSKI finds his barebow evolving toward even using my (simplest-of-all) stringwalking method - IMAGINE him plugging 3 for 3 in the GOLD at 50m over & over & over again, then with a simple half-finger slide up his bowstring he's nailing 3 for 3 at 70m like it was nothing, THEN with another half-finger slide up the bowstring he's burying 3 for 3 arrows in the heart of a target at 90m :-O I can't wait to see THAT ! Jake is my guy, because after watching him for YEARS now he's taught me and so many other archers out there to TRUST YOUR OWN JUDGMENT, DON'T shoot one way just because you're TOLD it works, but because you've PROVEN to YOURSELF it works for YOU, and it's something ISN'T working for you, CHANGE IT. I really admire that about him :-) ... So now YOU'RE in good company too - just lay off using that damned duct tape ;-) Go watch THESE videos on STRINGWALKING MADE SIMPLE: th-cam.com/video/aucX8j7vLY8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/LycSMBgGTxE/w-d-xo.html
Greetings Got2Kittys and welcome to VOGTLAND OUTDOORS ! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU - it's nice to get some positive feedback after having to deal with some "trolls" on my first comment of day :) Please be sure skim through the (shorter) videos in these 2 playlists: - The VOGTLAND SHOOTING METHOD; and - The VOGTLAND STRINGWALKING METHOD. The 3D Archery season is nearly upon us - this technique is quite quite for such fun outdoor competitions ! Kind regards, - Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS You're welcome! I've been an archer for 50 years, shot most every type, and have just returned to recurves and long bows about 5 years ago. I have been shooting instinctive, but This method just doesn't get simpler or more straightforward. Again, Thanks so much for being a good teacher.
Hi Shawn! This is a MARTIN JAGUAR recurve bow, and possesses (sort-of) "ILF-COMPATIBLE" limb pockets :-O MORE importantly, the WEIGHTING of the riser is such that it is a JOY to shoot. IF you get a chance to pick one up (used, as they're discontinued I think) BUY IT ! I own TWO Martin Jaguars (green camo and blue camo) and love 'em. I DESPISE the bolt-on limbs that Martin made for this bows - they were CRAP. Cheers, -Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
GREETINGS Evan !!! Comments like this are the reason I LOVE doing these videos !! Glad you like THIS video - please watch the PLAY LIST and ASK QUESTIONS - I'm ever & always looking to IMPROVE my videos !! Cheers, - Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
GLAD you like the videos - watch for one new one each week (weather permitting)... CURIOUS - WHERE are you located? Your own videos appear to show you able to shoot at EXPLOSIVES, so... likely NOT here in northeastern Illinois ;-) ...
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS oh yeah ill be keeping my eye out for new videos , i know what you mean the weathers going to be bad all this week because of the tropical storm working its way up the Carolina coast, i live in upstate south South Carolina haha so far i havent got any complaints from the neighbors 😂😂🤞
Man so helpful buddy, ive been practicing like crazy last few days since the weathers been so good, me and my brothers been shooting and all day and i think ive convinced him that this is the way to go as far as accuracy and putting arrows down range , im getting some light up knocks in the mail next week ill put up some videos so you can see my progress 👍👍
Greetings "Eagle" and welcome VOGTLAND OUTDOORS ! The answer is even simpler than what "instinctive" shooters go through: 1. CHOOSE a location where the vast majority of your shots will be 15 to 25 yards; 2. PRE-SET your gap to "3 fingers" (the PERFECT gap for 20 yards); then simply 3. AIM CENTER-of-MASS on any deer that comes into your "shooting zone" - for deer that are a little CLOSER than 20 yards, you'll land about 2 in HIGH; - for deer that are a little FARTHER than 20 yards, you'll land about 2 in LOW; Both will be "KILL" As for the MOVING part, now that you have only ONE gap to use for that range, simply learning to "lead" the center-of-mass a bit is the only thing you have to "think" about - and THAT you & I both know is very much a LEARNED skill, and arguably the most valuable aspect of "instinctive" shooting. Speaking candidly, I have NEVER spoken out AGAINST "instinctive" shooting when the conversation is about MOVING deer; in fact I've repeatedly stated (search my comments) that I would ABSOLUTELY shoot "instinctively" if a deer was walking or trotting past me but didn't notice me (like when his nose is high, eyes straight ahead, and bee-lining toward some doe whose scent he's caught). THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH INSTINCTIVE SHOOTING IS THIS: RANGE If I were to do yet another FaceBook archery group SURVEY and asked all "instinctive" archers HOW they MISS (high/low or left/right) when shooting on a MOVING deer, I will bet you $100 (Zelle-paid to you) that the vast majority will answer "HIGH/LOW" meaning the WEAKNESS in "instinctive" shooting ISN'T it's ability to LEAD on a deer, but in its ability to accurate get the RANGE correctly... So use a SINGLE gap, aim CENTER of MASS, and "lead" at the SHOULDER of a moving deer and you'll have a pretty darned good chance at landing CENTER-of-mass for the range I stated and either a "walk" or a "trot". That that "envelope" covered 90% of all possible realistic barebow shots you should ever be taking ;-) That's only ONE thing - the "leading at the SHOULDER" that you need to think about. Tell me YOUR thoughts! -Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS thank you for such a detailed explanation. It would be an awesome video to see you really explain this and go over in detail. I’m very visual. :-).
Hi again Eagle, I LOVE REQUESTS LIKE THIS - you've just provided me a topic for this week's (longer) video ! I'm not sure I can find a deer willing to cooperate and continue walking past me whilst I SHOOT it... ... but I'll see what I can figure out ! -Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Greetings Tom in the UK ! SHORT ANSWER? The LONGER the bow the BETTER stringwalking is on that bow - WHO KNEW??? Let me explain WHY... Stringwalking MOVES the "DRAWING POINT" - essentially the location of your INDEX FINGER on the bowstring. The difference between the (fixed) NOCKING POINT of the arrow and the DRAWING POINT of your index finger is what others term "The Crawl" - which I think is a silly non-self-describing term. I term this gap precisely what it IS - a "Stringwalking Gap" - simple as this. So why am I bringing this "Stringwalking Gap" up at all? Let's continue... Most bows - recurve bows, long bows, asian bows - are all designed for the index finger to be placed DIRECTLY ON TOP OF the arrow or DIRECTLY BELOW the arrow, but in either case you're TOUCHING the arrow. ANY movement of the index finger AWAY from these "DESIGNED" gaps represents a VARIANCE from "OPTIMAL". So now the question becomes this: HOW MUCH "VARIANCE" does STRINGWALKING represent? Well, it turns out this Variance is measured with respect to the LENGTH OF THE BOWSTRING (ie the BOW) :-O. Let's pick the LARGEST POSSIBLE Stringwalking Gap you can shoot - about "4 fingers" UNDER the arrow. On a 40# bow, which is a 10m or even a 5m shot - quite short. IF you measure your 4 fingers with a tape, you'll see it's almost exactly 3 inches. Let's take your 66" bow - how does a big gap of 4 fingers (3 inches) compare to 66 inches? HERE'S ONE WAY TO CALCULATE A "VARIANCE": - With one-finger-under, the "Stringwalking Gap" is officially 0 (zero) - there's NO gap; This means a Variance of 0 inches / 66 inches = 0% NOW... - With a 4-finger (3 inches) we have a Variance of 3 inches/66 inches = just over 4% - NOT MUCH. TO PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE, if you're 6 ft tall then you almost certainly have a Draw Length LONGER than the "standard" 28 inches - in fact it's likely 31 inches. THIS is a Variance of 3/28 = almost 11% :-O READY FOR THE SURPRISE? On a 66 inch bow, the LARGEST STRINGWALKING GAP POSSIBLE creates only a 4% variance from DESIGN, while on that same 66 inch bow a 6ft person shooting it creates an 11% variance from DESIGN :-O ! PUNCHLINE: On a bow YOUR size, STRINGWALKING is in fact SAFER for it than shooting it if you're 6 ft tall :-O !!! NOT MANY PEOPLE BOTHER TO ANALYZE ALL THE DOGMA OUT THERE LIKE THIS... But MARK DOES. And so MARK can separate the TRUTH from the DOGMA - I think they call it "bollocks" in the UK ;-) Hope you find this useful ! -Mark
Regarding the safety of having a 31" draw, most limbs are designed to be drawn up to around 33-35" depending on the manufacturers. They are just weighed at 28" so that there is a defined standard. String walking is fine on a 66" bow though.
Cool method! I see you only have one string nock and do you ever have a problem with the arrow sliding down a bit when you come to full draw? Would two nocks one under and one top work as well ? Thanks for sharing your skills!
Greetings Steve and welcome to VOGTLAND OUTDOORS ! SHORT ANSWER: Most all of my bows have either 12-strand or 14-strand bowstrings; using a standard field arrow nock, I rarely have an arrow "drop" off the bowstring (like once a summer?) - it usually means the nock has gotten a little wide, so all you have to do is BITE it closed just a wee bit and you're fine :-) Regarding nocking points, I actually use a MOVEABLE nocking point that I'm pretty sure I invented - from SPEED BUTTONS :-O - check it out: th-cam.com/video/DMdz2wL2LME/w-d-xo.html Cheers, -Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
I can't believe the frist time at 10 yard how good it worked Holy shit . Haven't tried different distance yet but I'm on this shit I been shooting over 10 years and I can already tell this shit works
Greetings Leon ! You'll literally be SEEING me use this very method in the upcoming STATE and NATIONAL Men's Barebow (Masters 50+ Division) Competition in early February ! Speaking personally, a key frustration & struggle I face is the coinciding of my decision to start this CHANNEL with the very point in my shooting when I first developed TARGET PANIC - this SUCKS ! But I'm persevering, and so far the vast vast majority of my subscribers see past the "flinching" that I'm struggling with, and see the indisputable merits of the technique itself :-) I hope to hear back from you with questions - typically about what-do-I-mean-about-anchoring-UNDER-the-chin - that is the MOST common are of confusion as archers make this crucial adjustment. Cheers, -Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Greetings Bubs ! EASY ANSWER: IT DEPENDS on the DRAW WEIGHT (you KNEW I was going to say that)..> ... but JUST TODAY I was shooting 3 fingers ABOVE THE ARROW with a 45# recurve bow, and ALL my shots were landing at 90m +/- only about 1m fore/aft and left/right; it was a VERY WINDY day (30mph cross winds across a 90m shot), and once in a while a big gust would come up and push me left even 2m, but I was ALREADY aiming at the RIGHT edge, so the 2m left meant I missed the 90m target - but only by about 6 inches left, and the DISTANCE was REMARKABLY SPOT-ON considering the CROSS WIND :-O WHEN I SHOOT MY 55# RECUREVE BOW I GET THE FOLLOWING PERFORMANCE: 1 finger above the arrow (classic "Mediterranean" grip): 90m easily and repeatably 2 fingers above the arrow: 100m easily & repeatably 3 fingers above the arrow: slightly uncomfortable at 55#; 110m easily & repeatably Go try it. Prepare to be impressed with yourself. You're in for a surprise ;-) NOTE: HERE'S HOW WIND TYPICALLY INFLUENCES ARROW SHOTS: 1. wind COMING AT YOU FROM the target: you'll GAIN about 5m on a 90m shot; 2. wind PUSHING FROM BEHIND YOUR AT the target; you'll LOSE about 10m on a 90m shot; 3. wind CROSSING at a PERFECT 90deg angle to the arrow flight? a. It NEVER actually HAPPENS, there is ALWAYS at least some LITTLE HEAD or TAIL WIND b. You will neither GAIN nor LOSE distance, but you WILL have to compensate for LATERAL DRIFT Cheers, -Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
A head wind slows your arrow down, you will see a drop, not gain in elevation, and a tailwind will cause a gain in elevation, not a drop. And the amount varies with the speed of the wind, the speed of your bow, and your arrow build. There are no prescribed amounts for it (you could estimate it if you know the speed of your bow, drag coefficient of your arrow, and the speed and direction of the wind) Source: I've been shooting 90m+ in tournaments for 10 years
YOU are my FAVORITE TYPE of COMMENTER , and with my FAVORITE (common) SIZE BOW !!! I'm going to make a SPECIAL video this week using ONLY my daughter's 30# recurve limbs, and everyone will SEE with their own eyes just how FAR you can shoot 30# using the VOGTLAND SHOOTING METHOD :-) ONE IMPORTANT THING I'VE LEARNED IS THIS: The SMALLER the DRAWWEIGHT of the bow... the LESS "FORGIVING" the bow is about your RELEASE TECHNIQUE !!! PUT ANOTHER WAY: The SMALLER the DRAWWEIGHT, the MORE PERFECT your RELEASE must be !!! Cheers, -Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Hullo Alexander ! SO COOL to have viewers from SCANDAHOOOOOVIA watching my videos ! I'm 1/4 Swedish (as are MOST Americans from the upper midwest), with "Lind" DNA in my veins, along with Welsh, German and Canadian :-) ... It's hard to describe how cool it is to connect with people of my HERITAGE over a topic like this ! You made my WEEKEND ! Tell us all about YOU: - Your Age, Height, General Strength (how many push-ups can you do in a row) - Your Bow: Type, Height, Draw Weight - Your Arrows: Material, Length, Spine, Head Weight (in grains) - Your glove/tab You tell ME the above details, and I'll tell YOU WHAT'S POSSIBLE with YOUR bow :-)
VOGTLAND OUTDOORS hello i don’t have a bow right now but i’m thinking about getting the mandarin duck blackhunter at 40#. I’m new to archery i have been shooting for about a month. But the bow i have been using from the club is a one piece ”short” longbow at 62 inches and it’s at 35#. I’ll be buying a glove with my bow. My height is 183cm Wheight is 95kg Around 20 pushups What’s your recomendation for a bow except for the darton magnum😜🤣 That’s cool That you’re part swedish. Not many people thinks about little sweden. Thanks for any and all advice.
I did just as you instructed. I've only been shooting a year and yesterday I won a club shoot. 141/150! TY
Greetings Querky,
MUSIC TO MY EARS !!!!!!!!!
Your post absolutely made my weekend !
Cheers,
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
You are a great teacher. You have a knack for explaining complicated concepts in simple terms so simple minds like mine understand them. Thanks! New subscriber.
Greetings & Merry Christmas Michael !
Many thanks for the positive feedback - please watch for upcoming videos when I "get back to the basics" of this innovative shooting method !
Cheers,
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Thanks for sharing ur wisdom sir. Been very successful this far. I must admit that it was a sudden change from my usual anchor n pull. So far everything again, things seem to be right on!! 😂😂😂
Greetings Mahskawah and welcome to VOGTLAND OUTDOORS !
MUSIC TO MY EARS that you see value in this technique.
WHATEVER helps you become an avid BAREBOW archer !
Cheers,
-Mark Vogt
Hi Mark Greetings from Ireland Got my first bow one week ago I'm 57 years old have alot of experience in trap AtA shooting But no archery experience at all your method made alot of sence to me so I tried it WOW all my arrows at the right Hight for finger distance left and rights few inches away And I got all this in the first 20 minutes Very grateful to you 👍
Greetings Gerry and welcome to VOGTLAND OUTDOORS !
Being my mother was a full-blooded "Allen" born of Welsh and Irish blood, I like you already ;-)
Your first experience using this oh-so-simple method?
MUSIC TO MY EARS !
That you also enjoy TRAP SHOOTING (as do I)?
MORE MUSIC TO MY EARS... but a DAMNED EXPENSIVE HOBBY, yes?
One of my most-prized possessions is a KAHN 12ga over-under trap shotgun; paid more for it than I can post here (my wife reads all of this, and if she knew, she'd slay me), but the REALITY of both TRAP SHOOTING (which I enjoy) and shooting SPORTING CLAYS (which I ADORE!) is that it's DAMNED EXPENSIVE - here in the USA even using PUBLIC land to shoot on, so your (cheap) "target loads" run about $50 a box (about $1 USD per shell); IMAGINE if you had to pay $1 for EVERY ARROW you shot !
TELL ME MORE about the DISTANCES at which you're shooting, and your bow's DRAW WEIGHT.
In the meantime, watch some of the shorter (newer?) videos in this playlist:
th-cam.com/video/Oa01moaIp7c/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/LycSMBgGTxE/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/IncOzJ6KC4s/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/K_PcROO3Pdg/w-d-xo.html
Cheers,
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Hi Mark my bow is a win_win barebow 30 pound draw weight. I needed information and proper guidance and not information overload!! So you're videos were perfect. But I did cheat on you with a jaķe kaminski video where he set his crawl marks by turning a target face backwards and putting a line of electric tape across it and walked backwards 10 15 20 25 30 .I did this on Saturday with my glove and now these glove distances are in my head Biggish thing I got from you is a true beginner can shoot quite accurate which is very positive Thanks mark
Hi Gerry,
First off - I LIKE JAKE !
I MEAN that.
So... you "cheated" on me?
HA !
WHAT IF I TOLD YOU that last-last year - when my channel was just getting started - I also saw that Jake had announced he was SWITCHING TO SHOOTING BAREBOW, and then he & his wife had videos of them trying to figure out how to hit 50m targets, and were falling short...
... so I COMMENTED on that video, suggested that if they BOTH began anchoring UNDER their chins (not ALONGSIDE their cheeks), they would immediately GAIN DISTANCE while ALSO gaining ACCURACY.
I'd HOPED that I'd get some comments from Jake & Mrs Jake on MY channel, on ANY of my videos, but I was disappointed as days turned into weeks turned into months with no contact :-| ...
Then as I recently (this year) began watching some of Jake's newer videos (I AM a long-time subscriber to HIS channel), what do I notice but Jake's ANCHOR has begun DROPPING LOWER and LOWER - until for all intents & purposes it's UNDER his chin :-O
NOT KIDDING - go watch Jake's videos starting (say) 5 YEARS ago, and then compare his anchor to THIS year - you'll see the same thing !
JAKE VIDEO 2009:
th-cam.com/video/JUylI8zXMF0/w-d-xo.html
TIME STAMP 0:08 - Jake is using "textbook" Olympic Archery anchor-UNDER-the-chin form :-)
JAKE VIDEO 2020: Jake switches to BAREBOW, and is (still) exploring anchor positions:
th-cam.com/video/Cwag9sQpFr8/w-d-xo.html
TIME STAMP 6:34 - Jake's anchor is now clearly ALONG his cheek (but already dropping), and above his chin by a full 1 1/2 fingers (which means he's ADDING error while LOSING range) - interesting !
NOW IT GETS INTERESTING...
JAKE VIDEO 2022: (about 5 months ago, so SUMMER 2022): Jake's Barebow continues to evolve
th-cam.com/video/HzMDP03SIfQ/w-d-xo.html
TIME STAMP 7: 13 - LOOK at Jake's CURRENT Barebow anchor position ! UNDER THE CHIN !!!
SO WHAT AM I SAYING?
At the very least - I'M in GOOD COMPANY ;-), because one of the best shooters in the world - and certainly among the best INSTRUCTORS and one of TH-cam most important "Archery Personalities" has clearly tried NUMEROUS methods, has no doubt intelligently evaluated each of them, and is now (currently) anchoring in a manner completely in agreement with the VOGTLAND SHOOTING METHOD :-)
Now if I can just get him to start STRING WALKING using MY technique (instead of ducktape-on-the-back-of-the-target), I will be pleased beyond words, because JUST IMAGINE someone as ALREADY skilled, capable and oh-so-cool-when-he-shoots like JAKE KAMINSKI finds his barebow evolving toward even using my (simplest-of-all) stringwalking method - IMAGINE him plugging 3 for 3 in the GOLD at 50m over & over & over again, then with a simple half-finger slide up his bowstring he's nailing 3 for 3 at 70m like it was nothing, THEN with another half-finger slide up the bowstring he's burying 3 for 3 arrows in the heart of a target at 90m :-O I can't wait to see THAT !
Jake is my guy, because after watching him for YEARS now he's taught me and so many other archers out there to TRUST YOUR OWN JUDGMENT, DON'T shoot one way just because you're TOLD it works, but because you've PROVEN to YOURSELF it works for YOU, and it's something ISN'T working for you, CHANGE IT. I really admire that about him :-) ...
So now YOU'RE in good company too - just lay off using that damned duct tape ;-)
Go watch THESE videos on STRINGWALKING MADE SIMPLE:
th-cam.com/video/aucX8j7vLY8/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/LycSMBgGTxE/w-d-xo.html
Great teaching! This greatly tunes up my instinctive shooting.
Greetings Got2Kittys and welcome to VOGTLAND OUTDOORS !
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU - it's nice to get some positive feedback after having to deal with some "trolls" on my first comment of day :)
Please be sure skim through the (shorter) videos in these 2 playlists:
- The VOGTLAND SHOOTING METHOD; and
- The VOGTLAND STRINGWALKING METHOD.
The 3D Archery season is nearly upon us - this technique is quite quite for such fun outdoor competitions !
Kind regards,
- Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS You're welcome! I've been an archer for 50 years, shot most every type, and have just returned to recurves and long bows about 5 years ago. I have been shooting instinctive, but This method just doesn't get simpler or more straightforward. Again, Thanks so much for being a good teacher.
Love the videos keep them coming can't wait to try this !!!!
Glad you like them!
Blue is my favorite color. That bow looks awesome.
Hi Shawn!
This is a MARTIN JAGUAR recurve bow, and possesses (sort-of) "ILF-COMPATIBLE" limb pockets :-O
MORE importantly, the WEIGHTING of the riser is such that it is a JOY to shoot.
IF you get a chance to pick one up (used, as they're discontinued I think) BUY IT !
I own TWO Martin Jaguars (green camo and blue camo) and love 'em.
I DESPISE the bolt-on limbs that Martin made for this bows - they were CRAP.
Cheers,
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
You teach this method superbly! Legend!
GREETINGS Evan !!!
Comments like this are the reason I LOVE doing these videos !!
Glad you like THIS video - please watch the PLAY LIST and ASK QUESTIONS - I'm ever & always looking to IMPROVE my videos !!
Cheers,
- Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Man these are great videos! Im getting a recurve in the mail this week, most helpful videos on youtube, keep up the good work man
GLAD you like the videos - watch for one new one each week (weather permitting)...
CURIOUS - WHERE are you located?
Your own videos appear to show you able to shoot at EXPLOSIVES, so... likely NOT here in northeastern Illinois ;-) ...
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS oh yeah ill be keeping my eye out for new videos , i know what you mean the weathers going to be bad all this week because of the tropical storm working its way up the Carolina coast, i live in upstate south South Carolina haha so far i havent got any complaints from the neighbors 😂😂🤞
Mr M !
See you like THIS week's "deep dive" on STRINGWALKING PERFECTLY in 2 (SIMPLE) STEPS !
th-cam.com/video/kTrspdRm7Ec/w-d-xo.html
Man so helpful buddy, ive been practicing like crazy last few days since the weathers been so good, me and my brothers been shooting and all day and i think ive convinced him that this is the way to go as far as accuracy and putting arrows down range , im getting some light up knocks in the mail next week ill put up some videos so you can see my progress 👍👍
th-cam.com/video/fmrfq2wr7Mw/w-d-xo.html been practicing your technique, 2 and a half weeks of shooting and its coming along pretty good 👍👍
Great stuff. Love to see it.
Glad you enjoyed it
I would like to know how you have time to truly think about this when hunting an animal that moves?
Greetings "Eagle" and welcome VOGTLAND OUTDOORS !
The answer is even simpler than what "instinctive" shooters go through:
1. CHOOSE a location where the vast majority of your shots will be 15 to 25 yards;
2. PRE-SET your gap to "3 fingers" (the PERFECT gap for 20 yards); then simply
3. AIM CENTER-of-MASS on any deer that comes into your "shooting zone"
- for deer that are a little CLOSER than 20 yards, you'll land about 2 in HIGH;
- for deer that are a little FARTHER than 20 yards, you'll land about 2 in LOW;
Both will be "KILL"
As for the MOVING part, now that you have only ONE gap to use for that range, simply learning to "lead" the center-of-mass a bit is the only thing you have to "think" about - and THAT you & I both know is very much a LEARNED skill, and arguably the most valuable aspect of "instinctive" shooting.
Speaking candidly, I have NEVER spoken out AGAINST "instinctive" shooting when the conversation is about MOVING deer; in fact I've repeatedly stated (search my comments) that I would ABSOLUTELY shoot "instinctively" if a deer was walking or trotting past me but didn't notice me (like when his nose is high, eyes straight ahead, and bee-lining toward some doe whose scent he's caught).
THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH INSTINCTIVE SHOOTING IS THIS: RANGE
If I were to do yet another FaceBook archery group SURVEY and asked all "instinctive" archers HOW they MISS (high/low or left/right) when shooting on a MOVING deer, I will bet you $100 (Zelle-paid to you) that the vast majority will answer "HIGH/LOW" meaning the WEAKNESS in "instinctive" shooting ISN'T it's ability to LEAD on a deer, but in its ability to accurate get the RANGE correctly...
So use a SINGLE gap, aim CENTER of MASS, and "lead" at the SHOULDER of a moving deer and you'll have a pretty darned good chance at landing CENTER-of-mass for the range I stated and either a "walk" or a "trot". That that "envelope" covered 90% of all possible realistic barebow shots you should ever be taking ;-)
That's only ONE thing - the "leading at the SHOULDER" that you need to think about.
Tell me YOUR thoughts!
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS thank you for such a detailed explanation. It would be an awesome video to see you really explain this and go over in detail. I’m very visual. :-).
Hi again Eagle,
I LOVE REQUESTS LIKE THIS - you've just provided me a topic for this week's (longer) video !
I'm not sure I can find a deer willing to cooperate and continue walking past me whilst I SHOOT it...
... but I'll see what I can figure out !
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS I will definitely look forward to that video! Thank you!
Is string walking ok with a 66" bow? Great video. Great explanation of the method. Cheers from the Uk. T
Greetings Tom in the UK !
SHORT ANSWER?
The LONGER the bow the BETTER stringwalking is on that bow - WHO KNEW???
Let me explain WHY...
Stringwalking MOVES the "DRAWING POINT" - essentially the location of your INDEX FINGER on the bowstring.
The difference between the (fixed) NOCKING POINT of the arrow and the DRAWING POINT of your index finger is what others term "The Crawl" - which I think is a silly non-self-describing term. I term this gap precisely what it IS - a "Stringwalking Gap" - simple as this.
So why am I bringing this "Stringwalking Gap" up at all?
Let's continue...
Most bows - recurve bows, long bows, asian bows - are all designed for the index finger to be placed DIRECTLY ON TOP OF the arrow or DIRECTLY BELOW the arrow, but in either case you're TOUCHING the arrow.
ANY movement of the index finger AWAY from these "DESIGNED" gaps represents a VARIANCE from "OPTIMAL".
So now the question becomes this: HOW MUCH "VARIANCE" does STRINGWALKING represent?
Well, it turns out this Variance is measured with respect to the LENGTH OF THE BOWSTRING (ie the BOW) :-O.
Let's pick the LARGEST POSSIBLE Stringwalking Gap you can shoot - about "4 fingers" UNDER the arrow.
On a 40# bow, which is a 10m or even a 5m shot - quite short.
IF you measure your 4 fingers with a tape, you'll see it's almost exactly 3 inches.
Let's take your 66" bow - how does a big gap of 4 fingers (3 inches) compare to 66 inches?
HERE'S ONE WAY TO CALCULATE A "VARIANCE":
- With one-finger-under, the "Stringwalking Gap" is officially 0 (zero) - there's NO gap;
This means a Variance of 0 inches / 66 inches = 0%
NOW...
- With a 4-finger (3 inches) we have a Variance of 3 inches/66 inches = just over 4% - NOT MUCH.
TO PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE, if you're 6 ft tall then you almost certainly have a Draw Length LONGER than the "standard" 28 inches - in fact it's likely 31 inches. THIS is a Variance of 3/28 = almost 11% :-O
READY FOR THE SURPRISE?
On a 66 inch bow, the LARGEST STRINGWALKING GAP POSSIBLE creates only a 4% variance from DESIGN,
while on that same 66 inch bow a 6ft person shooting it creates an 11% variance from DESIGN :-O !
PUNCHLINE:
On a bow YOUR size, STRINGWALKING is in fact SAFER for it than shooting it if you're 6 ft tall :-O !!!
NOT MANY PEOPLE BOTHER TO ANALYZE ALL THE DOGMA OUT THERE LIKE THIS...
But MARK DOES.
And so MARK can separate the TRUTH from the DOGMA - I think they call it "bollocks" in the UK ;-)
Hope you find this useful !
-Mark
Regarding the safety of having a 31" draw, most limbs are designed to be drawn up to around 33-35" depending on the manufacturers. They are just weighed at 28" so that there is a defined standard.
String walking is fine on a 66" bow though.
Cool method! I see you only have one string nock and do you ever have a problem with the arrow sliding down a bit when you come to full draw? Would two nocks one under and one top work as well ? Thanks for sharing your skills!
Greetings Steve and welcome to VOGTLAND OUTDOORS !
SHORT ANSWER:
Most all of my bows have either 12-strand or 14-strand bowstrings; using a standard field arrow nock, I rarely have an arrow "drop" off the bowstring (like once a summer?) - it usually means the nock has gotten a little wide, so all you have to do is BITE it closed just a wee bit and you're fine :-)
Regarding nocking points, I actually use a MOVEABLE nocking point that I'm pretty sure I invented - from SPEED BUTTONS :-O - check it out:
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Cheers,
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
I can't believe the frist time at 10 yard how good it worked Holy shit . Haven't tried different distance yet but I'm on this shit I been shooting over 10 years and I can already tell this shit works
I will try this method.
Greetings Leon !
You'll literally be SEEING me use this very method in the upcoming STATE and NATIONAL Men's Barebow (Masters 50+ Division) Competition in early February !
Speaking personally, a key frustration & struggle I face is the coinciding of my decision to start this CHANNEL with the very point in my shooting when I first developed TARGET PANIC - this SUCKS !
But I'm persevering, and so far the vast vast majority of my subscribers see past the "flinching" that I'm struggling with, and see the indisputable merits of the technique itself :-)
I hope to hear back from you with questions - typically about what-do-I-mean-about-anchoring-UNDER-the-chin - that is the MOST common are of confusion as archers make this crucial adjustment.
Cheers,
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS Good luck. I'm having some initial success and a load of fun.
Love it 🇦🇺
How far would it shoot three fingers above the arrow? Can you do a distance test?
Greetings Bubs !
EASY ANSWER: IT DEPENDS on the DRAW WEIGHT (you KNEW I was going to say that)..>
... but JUST TODAY I was shooting 3 fingers ABOVE THE ARROW with a 45# recurve bow, and ALL my shots were landing at 90m +/- only about 1m fore/aft and left/right; it was a VERY WINDY day (30mph cross winds across a 90m shot), and once in a while a big gust would come up and push me left even 2m, but I was ALREADY aiming at the RIGHT edge, so the 2m left meant I missed the 90m target - but only by about 6 inches left, and the DISTANCE was REMARKABLY SPOT-ON considering the CROSS WIND :-O
WHEN I SHOOT MY 55# RECUREVE BOW I GET THE FOLLOWING PERFORMANCE:
1 finger above the arrow (classic "Mediterranean" grip): 90m easily and repeatably
2 fingers above the arrow: 100m easily & repeatably
3 fingers above the arrow: slightly uncomfortable at 55#; 110m easily & repeatably
Go try it.
Prepare to be impressed with yourself. You're in for a surprise ;-)
NOTE: HERE'S HOW WIND TYPICALLY INFLUENCES ARROW SHOTS:
1. wind COMING AT YOU FROM the target: you'll GAIN about 5m on a 90m shot;
2. wind PUSHING FROM BEHIND YOUR AT the target; you'll LOSE about 10m on a 90m shot;
3. wind CROSSING at a PERFECT 90deg angle to the arrow flight?
a. It NEVER actually HAPPENS, there is ALWAYS at least some LITTLE HEAD or TAIL WIND
b. You will neither GAIN nor LOSE distance, but you WILL have to compensate for LATERAL DRIFT
Cheers,
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS this is alot of good info! Thank you very much 👍👍
A head wind slows your arrow down, you will see a drop, not gain in elevation, and a tailwind will cause a gain in elevation, not a drop. And the amount varies with the speed of the wind, the speed of your bow, and your arrow build. There are no prescribed amounts for it (you could estimate it if you know the speed of your bow, drag coefficient of your arrow, and the speed and direction of the wind)
Source: I've been shooting 90m+ in tournaments for 10 years
I'm going to try it with a 30lb black hunter. I have a bad left shoulder and can't draw my regular bow.
YOU are my FAVORITE TYPE of COMMENTER , and with my FAVORITE (common) SIZE BOW !!!
I'm going to make a SPECIAL video this week using ONLY my daughter's 30# recurve limbs, and everyone will SEE with their own eyes just how FAR you can shoot 30# using the VOGTLAND SHOOTING METHOD :-)
ONE IMPORTANT THING I'VE LEARNED IS THIS:
The SMALLER the DRAWWEIGHT of the bow... the LESS "FORGIVING" the bow is about your RELEASE TECHNIQUE !!!
PUT ANOTHER WAY:
The SMALLER the DRAWWEIGHT, the MORE PERFECT your RELEASE must be !!!
Cheers,
-Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
@@VOGTLANDOUTDOORS thank you for reply.
Video idea. Shot 20-30 meters and give tips on accuracy thanks for the videos
Hullo Alexander !
SO COOL to have viewers from SCANDAHOOOOOVIA watching my videos ! I'm 1/4 Swedish (as are MOST Americans from the upper midwest), with "Lind" DNA in my veins, along with Welsh, German and Canadian :-) ...
It's hard to describe how cool it is to connect with people of my HERITAGE over a topic like this ! You made my WEEKEND !
Tell us all about YOU:
- Your Age, Height, General Strength (how many push-ups can you do in a row)
- Your Bow: Type, Height, Draw Weight
- Your Arrows: Material, Length, Spine, Head Weight (in grains)
- Your glove/tab
You tell ME the above details, and I'll tell YOU WHAT'S POSSIBLE with YOUR bow :-)
VOGTLAND OUTDOORS hello i don’t have a bow right now but i’m thinking about getting the mandarin duck blackhunter at 40#. I’m new to archery i have been shooting for about a month.
But the bow i have been using from the club is a one piece ”short” longbow at 62 inches and it’s at 35#. I’ll be buying a glove with my bow.
My height is 183cm
Wheight is 95kg
Around 20 pushups
What’s your recomendation for a bow except for the darton magnum😜🤣
That’s cool That you’re part swedish. Not many people thinks about little sweden.
Thanks for any and all advice.