Hey dude, I appreciate that you make these videos inenjoy them and think its important for people just getting interested to help keep the hobby alive and i love that. The spring/gas piston community is thin so its cool to see despite that you still made this. It's cool because its genuine. Just a guy relaying his opinion. This is what TH-cam used to be. This is what youtube is supposed to be not cable tv.
Your visible enthusiasm for the break barrel concept is contagious. Potential new shooters can learn a lot from this rifle boot camp and then make the right choice with their first purchase.
Finally got to start into this series, and I think I timed it perfectly. Tom Gaylord's blog on how transfer ports for springers work lined up nicely with this intro. Looking forward to the rest, and thank you for the springer boot camp! ~Papa T
Hello Sir, My name is Ian. Can I just say thank you for producing this video and also showing such passion for your subject, like others, too have commented on. I now know what a choke is, on the end of the barrel! I love your passion for spring piston air rifles, as many people think only pcp's exist. The irony of that is that many people are bored with pcp's after not very long, and then I'm not sure what they do after that? I have both, and I love both. I can't achieve the consistent accuracy of a pcp with a springer. However, I love the challenge of a springer, and it's a lovely feeling to achieve your goal with a springer. I feel some people would write springers off, which, to me, would be insane. If I may say, Sir, I'm from the UK, where our maximum legal limit of power is 12ftlb. As you've said, many people crave more power. Though, however, you have to think a little further than that. As all Firearms people will know, when they are using their Firearms, they have to consider their backdrop. What is behind what they are shooting at? In many cases, the only safe shot is down towards the floor, into the ground. Many firearms are accurate out to a mile. So, to have the barrel pointing to the sky would be very dangerous. People have to consider what they may hit if they miss their target, if they are considering more powerful air rifles. This is why in the UK, if someone is caught with an air rifle they aren't qualified to have, they'll be looking at up to five years in prison. I shoot 12ftlb, and I'm happy with that. I zero at forty yards, then test my hold over's/under's every ten yards and make a note of that. 12ftlb is great, say in a barn, shooting feral pigeons. Often, the pellet will travel through the pigeon, but it won't damage the roof sheeting of the barn. My point is that more power isn't always better. Some spring piston air rifles are much more accurate with 10.5 ftlb than, say, 11.8ftlb. I hope I haven't rabbled on to much. I find this such an interesting subject. Best wishes to you, Sir and everyone, Ian.
@@ianwoods1384 I highly enjoyed reading your comments!😃👍 I love a mild springer! There is a time for magnum's, but most of the time I like them between 5 FPE and 17 FPE. The lighter the projectile, the lesser the power.😃👍
Break barrels are the best : Powerful and have a reliable built in power plant. PCPs are great if you just have money to blow.... But Break Barrels is where it's at .
G'day mate yea here in Australia the power push is also driven hard in reality i think they fudge those figures thanks for your videos very informative.
To much spring length , suggestion top hat , spring guide , line the spring guide end up with the end of the cylinder , that pre-load should be around correct to produce a nice firing cycle plus accuracy and tight groups .
Chuck, hello again. I want to ask you one more question. In my rifle, after putting a pellet in the barrel slot and shooting, there is bullet residue in the form of a thin layer around the felt, I think this is because the pellet gets trapped and crushed when closing the barrel. Is this a temporary situation ? There were no such problems before sending the rifle to the technical service. After coming from the technical service, the barrel became tighter, opening harder on the first stroke. I hope I have been able to explain :)
I see a lot of people roughly open and then slam the barrel closed, this puts a fair amount of strain/wear on the barrel pivot bolt. With a worn pivot point accuracy is compromised because of barrel droop.
Hey sorry for typing so much on your page - but I was wondering if you knew if PCP rifle claims of velocity - are they also typically proud by about 30%? If I got a PCP rifle that advertised a max velocity for a .30 cal pellet/slug being 1070 fps (Hatsan Hercules Bully*), are they also going off that "if we could find an alloy pellet light enough, it's physically possible" estimate, or do PCP rifle makers share honest FPS they can back up with fact? *That Hatsan Hercules Bully is very poorly rated, not getting it, just an example.
@@OhGawdHesGotAGun Thank you for your comments and questions!😃👍 Most everything will be dictated by the pellet weight and the power rating of the PCP. Some air rifle manufacturers might smudge the true numbers, but I have seen many TH-cam videos showing energy numbers, very close or right on for PCP's. My hunting season is in the fall 🍂🍁 and winter 🥶❄️ where it can be extremely cold. Everything that I have learned about PCP's is that they are greatly affected by cold temperatures. I guess this is one of the biggest reasons I have never pursued them. Especially since I have powder burners that I can rely on.
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 But don't springers also produce difference velocities in different temperatures? Or are PCPs more prone to temperature difference?
@@Daniel-xx3tu According to my friend in California who has PCP's and spring piston rifles, he said that the PCP was much more affected by the temperature.🌡️ Every time I go out for a hunt in the winter time, I will set out a small target about 30-35 yards, and never have to adjust my scope.
Been watching quite a few of your videos. You’re one of the few non-bs “ freelance “ experts making videos! Many I think are suckling on manufacturers teets. Question? There are some long running production runs on some of these air guns from the older companies. My question is do these companies correct / modify their rifles to make corrections to quality issues / complaints produced by customers? Anyway to tell if issues have been corrected looking at these new rifles? Regards, needing a solid air gun that won’t break the bank.
@@swift10falcon I highly appreciate you checking out my video and for your great comments!😃👍 Budget spring piston rifles will always have problems. I have not heard much of problems being fixed from budget air rifles. Corners are going to be cut somewhere. For instance, Gamo is known for producing a decent barrel, but the breach block and wedge detent is made of plastic. Hatsan 95 or 125 might have a good barrel, and are known for being hit and miss, and use soft steel. Crosman is owned by Gamo and has gone a to plastic breach block and wedge detent. Cometa is starting to have a loyal fan base. Cometa has problems also. Buying a Diana 34 through an auction is a good option. I have five HW rifles and I like all of them. They are a little more expensive but I think that they are worth it. I bought an HW50s 22 through Krale in the Netherlands and saved nearly 100 dollars. I will drop a link down here for you for the Krale site.😃👍👇www.krale.shop/us/sport-shooting/guns/air-rifles/
I have spent the last 3 years looking for ways to boost the FPS of my hardware store, Canadian-market-limited, nitro piston pellet rifle. I've been bounced from several forums, but I finally figured out what to do & how to do it. I had to chat with so many different people & ruined so many small parts, to finally make my Canadian Tire "Crosman F11 NP" rifle perform as it should. I'd better keep those results to myself since I did those mods before I got my gun license. Put it this way - I kept upgrading & modding it til it ruined the gun. I could no longer remove the barrel at its folding joint, and its accuracy was nasty. I learned a lot, but I also learned it's not how hard the gas ram slams into the intake port - it's how hard can it slam without hitting the intake port - it's meant to bounce off the pocket of superhot air it compresses - and if your gas ram is 70kg rather than 50kg, it's gonna make a bit whack sound and your pellet's general direction is all you can count on. I'm pretty impressed with the velocity of the Gamo Swarm Magnum - their way is simple - simply a bigger piston - but I'm not sure how many kg's the gas ram is pushing or what the diameter of the intake port is. I've iterated between 50kg, 60kg and 70kg gas rams, but it was almost always the piston that determined the velocity. Most people would prefer to keep their pellets subsonic, but when the aforementioned Gamo repels .22 cal pellets 950fps+ in reality, that's quite a feat for a break-barrel! However, their advertised 1600 fps for .177 means you're more than likely getting a sonic crack no matter how heavy your pellet is. Not exactly discreet for backyard plinking or hunting varmints. Usually you can take ~300fps from the estimated max velocity on the box, unless you're testing with lighter pellets. I bought a cheap-o Crosman Vital Shot (nitro-piston, .22) a while ago, and it advertised itself at 950fps. Real speeds are within the 690 - 710fps range - but I did get 852fps when using Gamo 9.7gr pellets. People would be pretty impressed with how similar Crosman NP pellet rifle parts are throughout the full range of products.
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 I assume you mean FPS, right? 962 FPS is incredible velocity for those Crosman Premier pellets! Edit: Have you dyno'd any lighter pellets? I get consistently 130+ fps with the Gamo 9.7gr 'platinum' .22 pellets, but nothing could have prepared me for the velocities I got those 14.3's going when it was dieseling. My modding results: I made the mistake of lathering a new "Benjamin" piston I got for my "495fps" Crosman F11, this wee eye-dropper of 'Crosman Break-Barrel oil', which was surprisingly expensive. I was supposed to 'stain' the piston with it, not lather, and I never knowingly dieseled a shot before. I was using a 70kg gas ram I got off Ebay, which I had shimmed 3mm. I opened the intake port maybe .3mm at the most. Using Crosman Premier HP, 14.3gr. This might sound like a one-up, believe me, I'm too old for that. It might have been a prob with the cheap chrono (Franc Moody BPC, Amazon sale), it might have been the flame or smoke that came out the muzzle. I have zero reason to lie, and concede I could be wrong, I wouldn't have believed it myself so I take no offense for anyone calling B.S., I'm looking at my whiteboard results as I type, starting in order of the shots I took with that setup: 689.3 m/s (2260 fps) 448.4 m/s (1471 fps) 411.2 m/s (1349 fps) *sharp drop in velocities and no more sonic crack now* 285.4 m/s (936 fps) 284.2 m/s (931 fps) *It continued dieseling for another 15 shots or so, decreasing steadily until it consistently got between 204.2 m/s - 284 m/s (670 fps - 932 fps)* with both the Crosman and H&N dome shaped pellets @ 14.6gr, I think? If I didn't continue to get supersonic velocities for two more shots, I never would have believed 2260fps was possible, even in 22LR cal stingers. You'd have to go 22wm to get that kind of velocity. It wasn't the setup at all though, I'm aware - it was pure dieseling. I didn't know it was that dramatic or that it would last for about 12 shots before it steadied around 750fps, where it remained before I junked it. The accuracy was way off, and like I said, the joint where the barrel meets the outer hole by the intake port, the flat screw doesn't budge anymore, despite replacing it once. It was really hard to cock the barrel down, but it's not the gas ram - that was actually easier, since the barrel folded a lot farther before the trigger mechanism would click on the shorter, lighter piston. If not for the shim, it likely wouldn't have cocked, it barely reached. Other than wrecking the rifle, I did learn how easy it is to improve store-bought velocity, but if you want to find the limit, you kind of have to buy two and ruin one finding its limits. Especially the intake port boring - that's not something you can take back - but I think I simply used a piston that was too light, with a gas ram that was way too strong. The recoil wasn't that bad, it was just bad feeling - you could feel the piston hitting the intake port really hard, so the recoil was reversed in a way. The OEM piston was humongous & I never had a single shot > 500fps no matter what ram I used. You're likely intimately aware that there's a balance of all those factors - diameters of piston, compression chamber & intake port, the force & length of travel for the gas ram - there's a huge potential for higher velocities, but finding that balance is what R&D folks test all day. If they can keep that piston from causing too much drama, maybe even a suspension-type feature that allows the chamber itself to recoil on its own plane, without affecting the scope or the rest of the rifle, somehow transfer that "bounce", there's no reason they can't make all piston/ram systems supersonic & accurate. It's just, how much do you invest in R&D, where your rifle ends up costing as much as a PCP....
@@OhGawdHesGotAGun Fun experimenting! 😃👍 The test is not very accurate because of the grease or oil inside of the compression chamber, which causes an explosion💥 and burns the piston seal and will result in lesser power when the grease is gone and the seal is destroyed. Personally, I'm going in the opposite direction. I'm more concerned with consistency, shot cycle and accuracy. I believe power is a tool that needs to meet whatever game you are hunting. Small game, smaller power, big game, bigger power.😃👍
Friend thank you for sharing, the power game isn't just in America, it's a selling point where ever there's no legal power limit 😊 I don't think a Diana 350 or a hatsan 125 making any sense where legal limit is very low😢
@@kouroshdavoudi7828 A big magnum can be fun, but a medium powered, well balanced springer is a real pleasure to shoot.😀👍 Ps, thank you so much for checking out my video!😃👍
@@Laoveyn Lol, 😆 guess I don't really know how to. But I do know how to go to heaven. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.😃
Hey dude, I appreciate that you make these videos inenjoy them and think its important for people just getting interested to help keep the hobby alive and i love that. The spring/gas piston community is thin so its cool to see despite that you still made this. It's cool because its genuine. Just a guy relaying his opinion. This is what TH-cam used to be. This is what youtube is supposed to be not cable tv.
Your visible enthusiasm for the break barrel concept is contagious. Potential new shooters can learn a lot from this rifle boot camp and then make the right choice with their first purchase.
@@j.verfaillie5742
Thank you so much!😃👍
I really hope that I can help new shooters to our sport!😀
Finally got to start into this series, and I think I timed it perfectly. Tom Gaylord's blog on how transfer ports for springers work lined up nicely with this intro. Looking forward to the rest, and thank you for the springer boot camp!
~Papa T
You are welcome Papa T!😃👍
Hello Sir,
My name is Ian. Can I just say thank you for producing this video and also showing such passion for your subject, like others, too have commented on.
I now know what a choke is, on the end of the barrel!
I love your passion for spring piston air rifles, as many people think only pcp's exist. The irony of that is that many people are bored with pcp's after not very long, and then I'm not sure what they do after that?
I have both, and I love both. I can't achieve the consistent accuracy of a pcp with a springer. However, I love the challenge of a springer, and it's a lovely feeling to achieve your goal with a springer. I feel some people would write springers off, which, to me, would be insane.
If I may say, Sir, I'm from the UK, where our maximum legal limit of power is 12ftlb. As you've said, many people crave more power. Though, however, you have to think a little further than that.
As all Firearms people will know, when they are using their Firearms, they have to consider their backdrop. What is behind what they are shooting at? In many cases, the only safe shot is down towards the floor, into the ground.
Many firearms are accurate out to a mile. So, to have the barrel pointing to the sky would be very dangerous.
People have to consider what they may hit if they miss their target, if they are considering more powerful air rifles. This is why in the UK, if someone is caught with an air rifle they aren't qualified to have, they'll be looking at up to five years in prison.
I shoot 12ftlb, and I'm happy with that. I zero at forty yards, then test my hold over's/under's every ten yards and make a note of that. 12ftlb is great, say in a barn, shooting feral pigeons. Often, the pellet will travel through the pigeon, but it won't damage the roof sheeting of the barn.
My point is that more power isn't always better. Some spring piston air rifles are much more accurate with 10.5 ftlb than, say, 11.8ftlb.
I hope I haven't rabbled on to much. I find this such an interesting subject.
Best wishes to you, Sir and everyone, Ian.
@@ianwoods1384
I highly enjoyed reading your comments!😃👍
I love a mild springer!
There is a time for magnum's, but most of the time I like them between 5 FPE and 17 FPE.
The lighter the projectile, the lesser the power.😃👍
Break barrels are the best : Powerful and have a reliable built in power plant. PCPs are great if you just have money to blow.... But Break Barrels is where it's at .
@@Moses-q3d
I agree 100%!😃👍
Also underlevers.
hey i appreciate you making this video breaking down the basics
@@mrhamsam243
You are welcome! 😁👍
Great video keep bringing them I enjoy this❤
@@KristyHaller
Thank you so much Kristy!😃👍
Have an awesome Sunday!🙂👍
Great information
@@chrisdifraia9467
Thank you!😃👍
Already excited for the next parts:) God bless
@@Daniel-xx3tu
Sounds great Daniel!😃👍
Thank you!😁👍
Need a part 2, nice content
@@gabrielramos941
Thank you so much!😃👍
I was out this morning working on one!😃👍
Great explanation of everything. You worn the perfect shirt for seeing the rifling in that barrel lol. It really showed it well.
@@charlesoutdoors2424
Thank you Charles!😃👍
The shirt and the lighting was about perfect.
Nice idea bro,to the next part you can show the first improvements we can do to our springer...
@@jcrdeeper
Yes, I will plan on it!😃👍
Brilliant video Chuck!!!
@@airgunnostalgia4210
Thank you Anton! 🙂👍
I enjoyed your video s... learning a lot
@@PedroGonzalez-yr7nw
That is super good to hear!😃👍
Thank you so much for checking out my videos!🤠👍
G'day mate yea here in Australia the power push is also driven hard in reality i think they fudge those figures thanks for your videos very informative.
@@gavinadams7220
Thank you so much from the Land Down Under!😃👍
I always wanted to go to Australia!🌏 🦘
To much spring length , suggestion top hat , spring guide , line the spring guide end up with the end of the cylinder , that pre-load should be around correct to produce a nice firing cycle plus accuracy and tight groups .
@@neiledwards8931
Thanks 👍
Chuck, hello again. I want to ask you one more question. In my rifle, after putting a pellet in the barrel slot and shooting, there is bullet residue in the form of a thin layer around the felt, I think this is because the pellet gets trapped and crushed when closing the barrel. Is this a temporary situation ? There were no such problems before sending the rifle to the technical service. After coming from the technical service, the barrel became tighter, opening harder on the first stroke. I hope I have been able to explain :)
@@Laoveyn
I know exactly what you are talking about. This video will help you!😃👍
th-cam.com/video/i1V3vaHoa18/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6plDz7sRXMiDAJuZ
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 thank you so much :)
@@Laoveyn
You are welcome!😃👍
I see a lot of people roughly open and then slam the barrel closed, this puts a fair amount of strain/wear on the barrel pivot bolt. With a worn pivot point accuracy is compromised because of barrel droop.
@@Kestrel-FG
I have seen the same thing.😮
Ps, thank you for checking out my video!🤠👍
Hey sorry for typing so much on your page - but I was wondering if you knew if PCP rifle claims of velocity - are they also typically proud by about 30%? If I got a PCP rifle that advertised a max velocity for a .30 cal pellet/slug being 1070 fps (Hatsan Hercules Bully*), are they also going off that "if we could find an alloy pellet light enough, it's physically possible" estimate, or do PCP rifle makers share honest FPS they can back up with fact?
*That Hatsan Hercules Bully is very poorly rated, not getting it, just an example.
@@OhGawdHesGotAGun
Thank you for your comments and questions!😃👍
Most everything will be dictated by the pellet weight and the power rating of the PCP.
Some air rifle manufacturers might smudge the true numbers, but I have seen many TH-cam videos showing energy numbers, very close or right on for PCP's.
My hunting season is in the fall 🍂🍁 and winter 🥶❄️ where it can be extremely cold. Everything that I have learned about PCP's is that they are greatly affected by cold temperatures. I guess this is one of the biggest reasons I have never pursued them. Especially since I have powder burners that I can rely on.
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 But don't springers also produce difference velocities in different temperatures? Or are PCPs more prone to temperature difference?
@@Daniel-xx3tu
According to my friend in California who has PCP's and spring piston rifles, he said that the PCP was much more affected by the temperature.🌡️
Every time I go out for a hunt in the winter time, I will set out a small target about 30-35 yards, and never have to adjust my scope.
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 I see! Thank you
Great video, that looks pretty good for a Chinese rifle.
@@RealAirgunAdventures
It shoots really good too.
Got it at a gun show for 60 dollars.
I would buy another one.
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 I think I would at that price, too 👍
Been watching quite a few of your videos. You’re one of the few non-bs “ freelance “ experts making videos! Many I think are suckling on manufacturers teets. Question? There are some long running production runs on some of these air guns from the older companies. My question is do these companies correct / modify their rifles to make corrections to quality issues / complaints produced by customers? Anyway to tell if issues have been corrected looking at these new rifles? Regards, needing a solid air gun that won’t break the bank.
@@swift10falcon
I highly appreciate you checking out my video and for your great comments!😃👍
Budget spring piston rifles will always have problems. I have not heard much of problems being fixed from budget air rifles. Corners are going to be cut somewhere.
For instance, Gamo is known for producing a decent barrel, but the breach block and wedge detent is made of plastic.
Hatsan 95 or 125 might have a good barrel, and are known for being hit and miss, and use soft steel.
Crosman is owned by Gamo and has gone a to plastic breach block and wedge detent.
Cometa is starting to have a loyal fan base. Cometa has problems also.
Buying a Diana 34 through an auction is a good option.
I have five HW rifles and I like all of them. They are a little more expensive but I think that they are worth it.
I bought an HW50s 22 through Krale in the Netherlands and saved nearly 100 dollars.
I will drop a link down here for you for the Krale site.😃👍👇www.krale.shop/us/sport-shooting/guns/air-rifles/
I have spent the last 3 years looking for ways to boost the FPS of my hardware store, Canadian-market-limited, nitro piston pellet rifle. I've been bounced from several forums, but I finally figured out what to do & how to do it. I had to chat with so many different people & ruined so many small parts, to finally make my Canadian Tire "Crosman F11 NP" rifle perform as it should. I'd better keep those results to myself since I did those mods before I got my gun license. Put it this way - I kept upgrading & modding it til it ruined the gun. I could no longer remove the barrel at its folding joint, and its accuracy was nasty. I learned a lot, but I also learned it's not how hard the gas ram slams into the intake port - it's how hard can it slam without hitting the intake port - it's meant to bounce off the pocket of superhot air it compresses - and if your gas ram is 70kg rather than 50kg, it's gonna make a bit whack sound and your pellet's general direction is all you can count on.
I'm pretty impressed with the velocity of the Gamo Swarm Magnum - their way is simple - simply a bigger piston - but I'm not sure how many kg's the gas ram is pushing or what the diameter of the intake port is. I've iterated between 50kg, 60kg and 70kg gas rams, but it was almost always the piston that determined the velocity.
Most people would prefer to keep their pellets subsonic, but when the aforementioned Gamo repels .22 cal pellets 950fps+ in reality, that's quite a feat for a break-barrel! However, their advertised 1600 fps for .177 means you're more than likely getting a sonic crack no matter how heavy your pellet is. Not exactly discreet for backyard plinking or hunting varmints.
Usually you can take ~300fps from the estimated max velocity on the box, unless you're testing with lighter pellets. I bought a cheap-o Crosman Vital Shot (nitro-piston, .22) a while ago, and it advertised itself at 950fps. Real speeds are within the 690 - 710fps range - but I did get 852fps when using Gamo 9.7gr pellets. People would be pretty impressed with how similar Crosman NP pellet rifle parts are throughout the full range of products.
@@OhGawdHesGotAGun
I was getting 962FPE out of my Hatsan 125 with CPHP 14.3
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611Wow. With that FP(E) you had the power of a big bore.🤔😀
@@j.verfaillie5742
Maybe a 22 short?🤷😆👍
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 I assume you mean FPS, right? 962 FPS is incredible velocity for those Crosman Premier pellets!
Edit: Have you dyno'd any lighter pellets? I get consistently 130+ fps with the Gamo 9.7gr 'platinum' .22 pellets, but nothing could have prepared me for the velocities I got those 14.3's going when it was dieseling.
My modding results:
I made the mistake of lathering a new "Benjamin" piston I got for my "495fps" Crosman F11, this wee eye-dropper of 'Crosman Break-Barrel oil', which was surprisingly expensive. I was supposed to 'stain' the piston with it, not lather, and I never knowingly dieseled a shot before. I was using a 70kg gas ram I got off Ebay, which I had shimmed 3mm. I opened the intake port maybe .3mm at the most. Using Crosman Premier HP, 14.3gr.
This might sound like a one-up, believe me, I'm too old for that. It might have been a prob with the cheap chrono (Franc Moody BPC, Amazon sale), it might have been the flame or smoke that came out the muzzle. I have zero reason to lie, and concede I could be wrong, I wouldn't have believed it myself so I take no offense for anyone calling B.S., I'm looking at my whiteboard results as I type, starting in order of the shots I took with that setup:
689.3 m/s (2260 fps)
448.4 m/s (1471 fps)
411.2 m/s (1349 fps)
*sharp drop in velocities and no more sonic crack now*
285.4 m/s (936 fps)
284.2 m/s (931 fps)
*It continued dieseling for another 15 shots or so, decreasing steadily until it consistently got between 204.2 m/s - 284 m/s (670 fps - 932 fps)* with both the Crosman and H&N dome shaped pellets @ 14.6gr, I think?
If I didn't continue to get supersonic velocities for two more shots, I never would have believed 2260fps was possible, even in 22LR cal stingers. You'd have to go 22wm to get that kind of velocity. It wasn't the setup at all though, I'm aware - it was pure dieseling. I didn't know it was that dramatic or that it would last for about 12 shots before it steadied around 750fps, where it remained before I junked it.
The accuracy was way off, and like I said, the joint where the barrel meets the outer hole by the intake port, the flat screw doesn't budge anymore, despite replacing it once. It was really hard to cock the barrel down, but it's not the gas ram - that was actually easier, since the barrel folded a lot farther before the trigger mechanism would click on the shorter, lighter piston. If not for the shim, it likely wouldn't have cocked, it barely reached.
Other than wrecking the rifle, I did learn how easy it is to improve store-bought velocity, but if you want to find the limit, you kind of have to buy two and ruin one finding its limits. Especially the intake port boring - that's not something you can take back - but I think I simply used a piston that was too light, with a gas ram that was way too strong. The recoil wasn't that bad, it was just bad feeling - you could feel the piston hitting the intake port really hard, so the recoil was reversed in a way. The OEM piston was humongous & I never had a single shot > 500fps no matter what ram I used.
You're likely intimately aware that there's a balance of all those factors - diameters of piston, compression chamber & intake port, the force & length of travel for the gas ram - there's a huge potential for higher velocities, but finding that balance is what R&D folks test all day. If they can keep that piston from causing too much drama, maybe even a suspension-type feature that allows the chamber itself to recoil on its own plane, without affecting the scope or the rest of the rifle, somehow transfer that "bounce", there's no reason they can't make all piston/ram systems supersonic & accurate. It's just, how much do you invest in R&D, where your rifle ends up costing as much as a PCP....
@@OhGawdHesGotAGun
Fun experimenting! 😃👍
The test is not very accurate because of the grease or oil inside of the compression chamber, which causes an explosion💥 and burns the piston seal and will result in lesser power when the grease is gone and the seal is destroyed.
Personally, I'm going in the opposite direction. I'm more concerned with consistency, shot cycle and accuracy.
I believe power is a tool that needs to meet whatever game you are hunting. Small game, smaller power, big game, bigger power.😃👍
Friend thank you for sharing, the power game isn't just in America, it's a selling point where ever there's no legal power limit 😊
I don't think a Diana 350 or a hatsan 125 making any sense where legal limit is very low😢
@@kouroshdavoudi7828
A big magnum can be fun, but a medium powered, well balanced springer is a real pleasure to shoot.😀👍 Ps, thank you so much for checking out my video!😃👍
You put the brake on break barrels (see title)
@@jonasaras
Good catch!
My boy edited it, but I could have easily done the same.
Ps, I hope that you liked the video!😃👍
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@@chriswedgworth
I appreciate the thumbs👍up!😃👍
What happened to mod 125 :)
@@Laoveyn
Guess I really don't understand the question?
I can say that the Walther Tallon Magnum was later made into the Hatsan 125.
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 My English is not good. When I saw the Mod 125 parts, I thought it was disassembled :)
@@Laoveyn Some of the parts of the Walther Tallon Magnum and Hatsan 125 are interchangeable.
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 Thanks dude. If you put Turkish subtitles on your videos, you will go to heaven 😄
@@Laoveyn
Lol, 😆 guess I don't really know how to.
But I do know how to go to heaven.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.😃