.177 vs .22 Trajectory Test at 12ft/lbs over 20, 30, 40 & 50 Metres
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This time we're comparing the trajectory of .177 vs .22 rifles at 12ft/lbs over 30M, 20M, 40M & 50M. The rifles we're using are the BSA R10 MK2 as our .22 and then the HW100 Sporter model as our .177 - both rifles are zeroed at 30M.
This is a follow-up video to a previous .22 trajectory test we did comparing 12ft/lbs vs. 30ft/lbs at a range of distances too:
• 12ft/lbs vs. 30ft/lbs ...
Presented by Richard Saunders from Alpha Militaria - an air rifle review and information site. Richard, has been shooting air rifles for nearly forty years. Today he hunts and carries out pest control on more than a thousand acres spread across different locations in the south of England. He is a regular contributor to Airgun Shooter magazine, writing mainly hunting features and product reviews, as well The Airgun Show on TH-cam.
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I hope the folks who watch your videos realize how challenging and time-consuming it is to set up film and edit a test like this.
As a shooter in the US, I don’t often think about the challenges of sub 12 shooting. For non-sub 12 shooters, this video very clearly explains where the idea that .177 is flatter shooting than .22 comes from.
I enjoy when you post new content, thank you for taking the time to put these videos together.
Thanks Paul. That's very kind of you to take the time to say so. They do indeed take a long time film - always much longer than I allow for - and even more time to edit. Thanks for watching. Rich.
@@airgunextra Paul
I second your comment and Richard and your team I thank you for your time and effort
Great show 🎩off to you
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@@chopperhehehe Thanks very much. All of us at Alpha Militaria appreciate the kind comments.
I agree. Well said. Although the .177 is flatter shooting for target work and less hold over at range, those of us here in the UK tend to lean towards .22 for pest control. (Probably not out to longer ranges). We get ourselves a Firearms license if we need to do a lot or as a profession and use good old powder burners in that case. Most sub 12ftlb weapons are used for sports and fun here and as of yet arent restricted too much, shotguns for feathered pest and sports are quite common here but rim and centre fire require quite a process to get through but is more common than some think. The age old question still remains of which is better though...
@@airgunextra Hi, what's the maximum range you hunt at when using a UK legal limit rifle? Enjoyed the video, thank you.
I think that the 12ft/lbs restriction means too little power for the heavy 0.22 pellets at longer distances.
Great point! Most of U.S. have the advantage of about double the 12 ftlbs used in this excellent tutorial. Always important to know your drops, especially for ensuring humane kills if hunting.
Agreed. In the US it might be more helpful with a fixed FPS instead of fixed FPE. Then again, even here realizing those trajectory differences would be difficult for the average airgunner outside of ballistics calculators.
22 for rabbits sighted in at 30 meters, 177 for pigeons and small game. That’s my way and my fathers way I grew up with
Your father, as wise of a man as he may be, did not have a 29fpe springer gun to figure out how to shoot well. I bet he would have though. :)
Are bows legal in the UK? Increase your range and stopping power?
@@hirokawiti4932 legal to have but not to hunt
@@c6133 that is rough. Wow 😲 feel for you guys your govt is tight in the ass. Let men be men I say.
@@c6133 so do you need a permit to hunt? How about a spear from a tree stand?
Thanks for all of your hard work doing this test. As a point of interest, here is a suggestion. Instead of arranging your distance targets horizontally, if you draw them, say left to right, then after the test you can connect the groups and get an image of the trajectory of the pellet.
Agreed, that really is a great way to test pellets, great suggestion! However, nothing beats experience in the field, LOL...all the best, cheers...
Great video, always wanted to see a practical demonstration of this. 177 for me from now on.
It depends what you're shooting. The .22 has a higher trajectory but it will still deliver more energy to your target/quarry than a .177 at any give range, especially as you stretch it out a bit.
Imagine using jsb heavy with the .22. They wouldn't even reach the target.
Yes they would... just wouldn't quite penetrate the cardboard!
Those HW100s are beautiful guns. Robust, fabulously built and incredibly accurate with good setup and practice.
Good video thanks Richard i have always favored the .177 after owning a hw77 in the eighties all my friends had 22 but couldn't hit anything past 40 meters some didn't even get that far lol ! How ever i was hitting holes through coke cans out to 60 meters with a duplex scope to
Thanks very much Robert. We all wanted .22 when we were kids simply because they were bigger. Little did we know!
The video/visual support in your calibre trajectory comparison... is EVERYTHING!
Verbal comparison alone doesn't properly do this topic justice!
I have a hw 97 in .20 and find this to be a very good compromise, still a reasonable flat trajectory but also good hitting power.
Thanks for watching Alan. Yes, .20 cal does seem like a good compromise, assuming you can get a pellet your rifle likes, and plenty of them. Fortunately the HW97, like most HWs, doesn't seem to be pellet fussy.
@@airgunextra would a .22 alloy pellet like the fttg 5.89gr have a relatively flat trajectory?
Thanks for taking the time to do this comparison, guess I'm going for a .177 fot the next pest controller !
Thanks very much for watching and taking the time to comment.
Thank you very much. I have .25, .457. Just picked up a .177. Old dog, new trick.
Verry clear and good video 👍👌.
Log time ago I had a .22 rifle
And noticed the big bullet drop.
Now I own 2 .177 rifles.
And I noticed way les bullet/pellet drop.
Flatter shooting and higher velocity.
Very nice video 👍👌
Thanks very much.
Thanks Richard, i am about to buy another rifle and was leaning toward .22 (my Walther LGU is .177) I have always thought .177 was the way to go but i was tempted just to have something different. The most interesting thing for me was the tightness of the .177 groups at distance I will certainly go for .177 now
Thank you for a very informative and useful video
You're very welcome Pete. Thanks for watching.
Nice demonstration...in hindsight maybe the camera that was zoomed in on the cardboard target, could of been moved back much further to allow a better view of the impact points. Other than that a great video.
Yes, you're right. It was Spielberg's day off though!
Muchas gracias por hacer este tipo de videos llevando a la práctica lo que algunos que recién empezamos, debemos tener en cuenta.
Usted es bienvenido. Gracias por mirar.
Yup, this is why I am a fan of .177 at sub 12ft lbs
Doesn't matter how hard it hits if it doesn't hit at all.
weekend wally lol cant shoot .22
Very well described and very easy to understand. Great video and thank you for spending the time to do it.
Thanks very much Eric.
As a new starter this is golden thank you 🙏🏽. I really fancy a .22 but realistically the .177 just makes more sense 🤔
Thank for watching Danny. Please let us know if we can help with any questions...It's a bit of a minefield!
The test demonstrates the importance of using a good range finder. I zero at 23 yards as this allows me to take quick opportunistic shots out to 25 yards. Beyond that I have time to take an accurate measurement using a range finder.
I use chairgun to get the optimal zero based on speed of the pellet and height of the scope.
Looking at the grouping of the 0.22 I suspect that the barrel does not like 5.52.
Thanks Ratty. You're right. As I said in the video, none of the groups were great, but I wasn't setting out to do an accuracy test but to demonstrate the extent of drop off. Running backwards and forwards with that target board didn't help either! I tend to use the R-10 at around 20 metres almost exclusively for rats and squirrels and the 5.52 AA are awesome. Thanks for watching! Rich.
Not a hunter but have always favoured 177 over 22 for it's faster flatter trajectory, it's nice to have it proven, good video, thanks.
Thanks very much.
Shot at the same speed, the 22 would typically have a flatter trajectory considering the pellets are generally a higher bc
@@SethMcClaine 22 has a greater mass and would require greater speed than the 177 to achieve the same flat trajectory, it would also put the gun over the 12 ftib limit.
@@BoggWeasel exactly... whats the point of posting a video of comparing the trajectory of projectiles that aren't moving at comparable speeds? This is a scaled experiment of something moving at 1000fps vs something not moving... of course the item that is moving is going to have a higher trajectory.
@@SethMcClaine There is a common held myth that the 22 is superior than the 177 for hunting in every way and this proves that it ain't necessarily so. Shot placement is everything and with a faster, flatter trajectory at distance, less adjustment is required by the 177 to be on target than the 22 to achieve an accurate shot. A 12ftlb 177 will give you a flatter straight shot than a 12ftlb 22, the 177 may not hit as hard but if it's on target it will do the job.
Love your videos that was very useful. Very informational, and I've been doing field and target for about a year and 1/2 now and I love it. I have all my targets. Set up 10,12 1/2, 15,18, 20, And five yard increments after that out to 55. And it works great. Thank you for your videos.
Thanks very much Gary. Glad you fin them useful!
Spot on show very different points when shooting, now do it on a windy day ,😮😮 thanks for the information 😊😊
Be the same, then slower .22 will get moved more by the wind. It's all to do with how long the bullet is in flight, longer flight time, more movement, whether it's gravity or wind working on it.
Excellent and very interesting presentation for both cal. , thank you for your time to give us supporting knowledge!
Thanks Jim. Glad you found it helpful.
If you used heavier 177 pellets and lighter 22 pellets so they where similar. Results would have been a lot closer I thought this was about impact. Not just accurately Mmmmm I’m not convinced a lighter 22 pellet wouldn’t sort this out but loved the vid. But still think 177 for targets And 22 for hunting. Up to 30 yards anyway. But hey what do I know.
If you typically shoot at closer ranges and in the same locations eg removing rats from your garden or feral pigeon from the same roosting spots in a barn etc the thump and lower penetration of .22 is a good choice.
Energy transfer to the pellet from the expanding air as it travels down the barrel happens more efficiently in the larger calibre, so all other things being equal, a PCP in .22 has a higher number of shots per fill and is slightly quieter.
At sub 12ftlb the flatter trajectory of .177 being more forgiving in terms of shot placement at longer range and different distances IS a good argument for using the smaller calibre in general. The best answer I can come up with is to own both.
Yes… I’ve used my .177 to take out garden rats and squirrels to great effect with no problem, BUT I’m also getting a .22 mag loaded s410 as I think it’s better if you happen to miss the kill zone should the prey move as you’ve pulled the trigger as the extra power will have a better chance at doing its job and the reload option is a must for any finish up shots. Having your area mapped out for distance with a .22 is the way to go I think.
@@mrpickles3479 I own both calibres but tend to use .22, partly because I learned with a .22 BSA springer to begin with and I like the idea that energy is being transferred to the larger pellet more efficiently. The bigger pellets retain energy downrange a bit better and give more blunt trauma on impact. Shooting a sub 12ftlb .22 accurately at different ranges is more of a challenge compared with .177 but I still like launching the larger bits of lead.
That is the conclusion I too came to. I use a .22 crosman 1322 for anything withing 10 yards, .177 1250FPS Gamo for everything else. You can always increase the grain from 5 to 10 for a .177 if you want more thump.
@@TechieTard the 10 grain 177 does the job, fantastic knock down. J.S.B. s are my choice.
The JSB exact 7.87gr is just right for my 1377 scoped. 1322 would be good for pests close range. But so is the 1377.... One of each would be fun. A 22 needs more power, like a good break barrel.
No difference up to 30 m. I will stay with .22
Wow - thankyou - i just ordered a .177 and was starting to doubt my choice - now after watching this i think i made the right choice - you need to be able to hit the target first before you can kill it
I'm glad we could reassure you Andrew! You're absolutely right that job number 1 is to be accurate regardless of calibre. I tend to use .22 for rats, feral pigeons and squirrels simply because most of the time I am shooting than at 10 - 20m. But for rabbits out to 40m I much prefer .177. Thanks for watching.
I like your excuse for the camera & i really trust u
.22 requires a shooter of greater experience I'd say. Great video!
Looking at buying a decent rifle, because my old man can get me into his shooting club, I was going to get .22 this changed my mind, and in further discussions on the topic I will be showing or sourcing this video. Best video on the topic I’ve found,and I’ve been looking a while.
One of the most useful videos I watched tis year about air rifle n pellets.
Thanks very much Dastan. We're glad you found it helpful.
I’m here in the US and we are very blessed not to have regulations on caliber and speed. I have a .22 that shoots 1000ft per sec and a .25 that shoots 900/920ft per sec. There is less recoil with the .25 than the .22 -which gives me much better accuracy out at 50 meters. Both guns are very different as well. .22 is a Benjamin Maurauder and the .25 is Airgun Technology Uragan. Either way, you need a great barrel, trigger and feel of the gun to get a great shot in at 50 meters. Get to know your gun and its limitations and then hunt within those parameters
British only shoot PCP (lazy) with super scopes and from rest.Never saw British shooting break barrel or Daisy RR in prone position…Lame
@@ilijabosnjak76 no..break barrels are loved due to their simplicity (perfect SHTF hunting rifle for small game)
pretty much anyone in the UK that has a PCP has a break barrel tucked away
Nice demonstration there Richard, really brings home the difference between calibres.
Thanks David. It's something we all knew, but interesting to see the extent of the difference. Thanks for watching.
@@airgunextra My pleasure Richard, you do some great vids.
I keep referring back to this video. A really useful resource, thank you - great channel 👍
Thanks very much Dan. We're glad you find it useful.
One point, you were using a 16gr pellet so at 40 it's going to drop by a few inches, but if you chance to 13gr Falcon that is going to produce a much flatter trajectory and RWS hobby 11gr are more or less flat shooting out to 40 yards, and if you use a 10.5gr Bisley in the. 177 at 40 yards you are going to experience pellet drop so it's not all dome and cloom for the 22 calibre and the. 177 has its real faults 👍
Hi Neil. You are of course right that lighter .22 pellets will drop less, and heavier .177 more. But the point is that .22 fly slower with more pronounced trajectory than .177. I used 8.4 and 16 grain as they seem fairly typical for the weight of pellets most people use. Thanks for watching...
@Alpha Militaria That's why it's best to use a lighter pellet in .22. , you are implying it will be the same anyway , which is not the case . Heavier pellet in .177 and the trajectory will more or less be the same as a .22 when using a heavy pellet 10.5 g or 16g
Between 20 and 30 meters, the .177 was right at the apex of its trajectory. Under 20m the pellets would likely impact below the point of aim of the scope, since the pellets will still be 'rising'. The .22 however, had its apex somewhere before 20m, since the pellet was already dropping at 20m. It's very interesting to observe these differences in trajectory, the .177 obviously being flatter. Maybe a 10m test would give even more insight into the trajectory.
It would've been helpful to say what the mil dot holdover would've been as you looked through your scope, you only briefly mentioned that at 20mtrs on the .22
Thanks A Very Interesting Video From Blue
Thanks very much for watching.
Perfectly and simply explained,, as long as you adjust with hold under or hold over,, none of this rubbish technical stuff,hahaha I’ve got the HW97K.22 what a rifle!, great video👍👍👍
Thanks Andy. I'm with you - keep it simple! By the way, we did a review of the HW97K here: th-cam.com/video/4Dm2FsmMjic/w-d-xo.html. Please let us know if our findings agree with yours...
@@airgunextra hi ,yeh I watched ur vid yesterday using the hw97kt ,,,bang on with ur view on it,,,, when I first purchased the rifle I started using the H&N field target but wasn’t too accurate so switched the the Diablo field,,,, but now I’ve put a thousand or so through the barrel I’ve switched back to the H&N ,,and they are seriously pellet on pellet,,, what have your subscribers said preference of pellet in .22 with the HW97K??
Thanks Andy. I'm with you. Keep it simple! By the way, we did a review of the HW97K here:
@@andyday4724 Hi Andy. I used AA Diabolo Field pellets, but that's only because I tend to use them in just about everything! I think you can't go wrong with AADF, H&N or JSB. I do find 4.52 / 4.52 the best though. I tested some H&N lead free pellets for Airgun Shooter a while back. I have to admit that I wasn't expecting much, but they grouped really well. Not sure what they'd be like in the wind though.
Great video here, learned a lot
Worth mentioning the .22 group at 50m was poor in comparison to the .177 in addition to the huge drop off. It really opened up. Perhaps the Weirauch grouped superiority to the BSA? I use a .177 Daystate wolverine r and every pellet goes through the same hole UP to 30 metres. Beyond that things get interesting. Excellent video.
Brilliant video, as a beginner this is extremely educational. Thank you for taking the time to do this. ATB MMMD
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching.
I have an FX dreamline running jsb 13.43gr 177 slugs at 933fps, 26 ft lbs. Great video, Kevin in the western USA
Thanks very much Kevin. Sweet rifle...
This exercise has given me a lot of valuable information, for these calibers at these ranges at these caliber rifles.
Thank you Richard, speaking of exercise, you surely did get a fair bit for this video, and for that I thank you too.
I'm glad its useful Reg. And yes, plenty of exercise, though much more needed!
Very interesting and useful information. Thanks for that Richard.
Thanks for watching...
Richard thanks for the video very interesting opened my mind up to the 177 for well placed hunting shooting 👌
Thanks for watching Robo. I'm glad it was helpful.
That group at 50 with the .22 has opened up too much for my liking to be used for live quarry.
It is the lack of power, and a bit of a unstable pellet. People with mag springers are shooting head shot to 80 yards today,--but hard to find with the expert marksman on YT testing accuracy at 20,--and doing poorly. :)
Yep after 50 I'd probs move onto the HMR
@@flazzy6931 22 short is very good out to 100, but 17 hmr is very humane
After 50 I would use my laser blaster.
I always thought that the maximum distance to hunt rabbits with a 12fp rifle was 30 metres.
This gives an excellent visual representation of the vast differences in trajectories.......however, Richard, you omitted to mention the importance of wind which a very important factor, the effects of which has a far greater effect on .177, making .22 a better option in the field.....besides which I would never advice shooting quarry beyond 30m with a sub 12ft-lb rifle.
You're right Vince. Thanks for watching.
At 25 meters the .177 will be higher than it is at 20 or 30 meters. The pellet is describing a curve already.
Not much higher.
This was excellent. Great video.
Thanks very much.
Excellent video
Things would much more simple if we were not restricted to 12ft.
Thanks very much Wood Pigeon. I have to admit that although I have several FAC air rifles, I love hunting with my shooting 12 ft/lbs though. Not that I'd give up my FAC ether ! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for sharing valuable knowledge and experience.
You're welcome. Thank you for watching.
177 shoots flatter and your 177 rifle is more accurate .
Using my aim points about 20yds out to almost 30yds is just about crosshairs. There's virtually no difference. The benefits of 177 are out to 45/50 yards you are only holding over by about 2 mildots depending on the height of your mounts.
At practical range both are fine. Doing range work out to what you can hit consistently and knowing you hold over/under is a must. .177 leaves the barrel faster but thats because it needs to, to match or reach the same power of the .22. Used both in various rifles from spring to pcp. Don't have a preference tbh. Both at 30yards deliver enough energy to drop the target,even though the .22 will deliver more than .177.
End of day doesn't matter the size of the pellet,its the person behind the trigger.
I’ve had rifles that cost near £2,000 and I’ve had a HW100 KT (which I payed £800) and the HW is the only one that I’d rather die than sell and is also the only rifle I take hunting as I’ve not yet found a better grouping as yet, Currently in the process of buying a “HW110” maybe a “KT or Bullpup” been asked to sell I can’t remember how many times and each is the same answer, NOT A CHANCE!!!
Well, that explains a lot. I always had much better success bunny busting with a .177 over open sights than I ever did with a scoped .22. Range-finding was done with the Mk. I eyeball. This was years ago, mind, but I wouldn't mind trying it again.
I have just been watching your 12ft/lbs vs. 30ft/lbs video and thought wouldn't it be great if you did the same for .177 Vs .22. Then clicked the Show More text and low and behold my prayers were answered with the link to this video. :)
Thank you very much for taking the time to put together this comprehensive well put together video.
For many years I had always gone for sub 12ft lbs (non FAC) .22, but changed over to .177 about 18 months or so ago for the flatter trajectory over various ranges. This just confirms my decision to switch, I still have an Air Arms Galahad sub 12ft lbs in .22 , but it doesn't get much use now. Not that the current covid-19 restrictions helps matters.
Great minds think alike David! I use .177 for most of my 12 ft/lbs hunting, but .22 still has a place especially when shooting over known ranges such as a squirrel feeder or rat shooting. The Galahad is a cracking rifle. Let's hope you get to blow the dust off it soon! Thanks for watching.
Thanks 🙏
Great video very informative 👍
Thanks very much.
Excellent video I learned a lot,, THANK YOU Sir,,,
You're very welcome Mike. Thanks for your coment.
Thanks for the Demonstration and explanation many of us need to know in choosing a gun cal.
Thanks for your valuable information
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching.
If you are going to do like for like , then both should be running at the same ftlbs
And yes .5 ftlbs can make a difference with poi , specially at distance
0.5 ft. lbs. equates to around 20 fps, so I really don't think it made an significant difference. I've got several .177 rifles and the trajectory with the HW100 is consistent with them all. Thanks for watching. I hope it was helpful/of interest anyway.
Alpha Militaria I have to agree my drops are exactly the same as you have from twenty and thirty being the same, dropping to around four inches at fifty and my HW 110 is running around 11.7 ft lbs with jsb exacts.
Personaly all my Rifles are. 22 and I zero at forty yards and always shim my scope up in the rear mount, which is necessary in order for the usable lower portion of my cross hairs to remain on the piont of impact. But I wouldn't change it for the world. Once I found out that. 22 is generally more efficient than. 177 in terms of energy use I've just stuck with it.
Just exactly what I wanted to see,, and a well done video, down to basics and more,,keep them coming Richard.
Shimming the scope is a lot of work to get more distance out of the reticule. The simplest solution is to turn down the zoom on your scope say if you’re running x12 turning down to x9 will give you pretty much all the distance you’ll need out to 60 yards with .22
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Value able information, thanks
Thankyou for the video very interesting 👍
Thanks very much for watching Jeff and a happy new year to you.
Glad I subscribed now. Someone who actually posts some interesting videos. Thank you 🙏
Thanks very much Kurt. I hope we can keep it up!
@@airgunextra Honest. Unbiased reviews. It makes a change on here. Don’t ever change 👍🏻
@@kurt2742 Thanks Kurt. We'll do our best 👍🏻
Excellent and right to the point video. Thank you
Thanks very much Len.
A better test basis for trajectory is muzzle velocity, not energy. I have done it both ways and have found muzzle velocity to be more meaningful...if you are trying to map trajectory.
Well done very clear and simplified video.
Thanks for watching and thanks for taking the time to comment Andy...
Great video Richard, nice to see real world results. Without starting WWIII i personally believe for me, .22 has zero benefits. I can use a vast variety of weights in .177 and we all hit with the same sub12 energy anyway, so for me .22 loses in all departments. I'll get my tin hat on now lol. looking forward to next video mate! 👍
:)
I tend to agree all my hunting is in .177
In an ideal world where no wind exists perhaps
@@vinceyreay hi mate, i've heard a lot of people say that to be fair.
Please sir, if you had the Weihrauch HW80 FAC, I think it makes 23 joules, but I could be wrong. Would you get it 177 or 22, for hunting rabbits? Thanks in advance
Thanks for this info
Watched twice , will keep it handy so i don't go .22 again .
Very useful 177 is my next choice accuracy is key thanks for a good video
Thanks very much Billy.
As the distance increases the pellets drop which is what I was expecting but I was wasn't expecting the pellets to drop as much as they did. Good job testing, this was a good learning experience. My backyard range is limited to 20 meters. Who in the UK checks the foot pounds of energy that your guns are limited to? Do you have airgun police?
I'm glad you found this helpful Mark. If you are found to be doing something you shouldn't be with your air rifle the UK police will indeed test it. There's a obligation as an owner to make sure your rifle is legal and do something about it if it is over 12 ft lbs - like take it to an RFD. And there's a responsibility on the part of manufacturers and RFDs of course to make sure they supply legal limit rifles.
Great test/comparison, cheers.
Thanks very much.
I love how a mystery shot suddenly appears at 40 metres @ 5:19 and no noise ... ?
Ha Ha ... ;-)
The marvels of editing.
@@airgunextra I want that "Stealth" shooting rifle ... Loads of unaware quarry ... Ha Ha
Great video Richard, a very good visual explanation.
Thanks very much.
Very good video, enjoyed very much!!
Thanks very much.
So many of these videos concentrate on only the trajectory drop only and ignore the wind drift, you can measure distance wind is a tricky variable .22 almost always wins there. You can't just point and shoot unless your working to 20m maximum with iron sights.
Excellent! Thank you!
Thanks Matthew.
Great vid, thank You👍✌️
Thank you for watching...
good job mr
Thanks.
@@airgunextra i want to take in 177 fx airgun so which models are buest for me as your choice for long rang pest control in this. .. fx impact m3 600mm barral? fx maverick compact ? wildcat mk3 compact? please reply waiting your response!
Brilliant thanks! It seems you have to master the scope and ranges then it wouldn't matter what size you shoot, if that's correct? Keep your videos coming their great 👍
Hi Neil. Thanks for the encouraging comments. Yes, indeed. There are a couple of apps you can use that will tell you how much hold over/under to dial in. But for me, seeing is believing and I prefer to set targets out at 5 metre increments from say 15 to 50 metres and then work out for myself what the hold overs are. That said, I limit myself to 30 metres with a .22 and 40 metres with a .177 when hunting because I know I am consistently accurate at those distances in all the positions I hunt from (10 shots within a 10p coin). And that ultimately is the deciding factor when it comes to your maximum hunting distance - 10 shots in a 10p coin standing, sitting, prone, rested, freehand...
For instance rarely any cheap co2 gun is 12fpe anyway, is much lower. Secondly 16grain is heavy pellet for .22. You could also take 10grain for .177 and 14.3 for .22 , or 13.4, results would be closer to each other. And now one rifle with .22 could be much closer to 12fpe and .177 well below. Results would be muuuuch closer
Hi John. Thanks for your comment. I'm not sure what the reference to a Co2 rifle is though. I agree that none I have come across deliver 12 ft/lbs, but both the rifles in the video are PCPs, neither are Co2. 16 grains is a fairly standard .22 pellet weight across brands like JSB, Air Arms Diabolo Field, Daystate Sovereign etc. Of course there are lighter pellets out there, but there are heavier too. Also, regardless of the weight, you also need to take into account ballistic coefficient and sheer size. Even if you could find .22 and .177 pellets that weigh the same there would still be a difference between the two calibres in terms of speed through the air and trajectory. Thanks for watching!
The problem in the UK is considering everything above 12ftlbs is a firearm is ridiculous even a 22rimfire is well over 100ftlbs
The law views all air rifles as firearms, including those under 12 ft. lbs. And a 12 ft. lbs. rifle will still kill/cause serious injury.
What this should tell everyone is that .22 will carry more impact within 30 meters. Anything past 30 will compromise accuracy and should limit you to a .177
So why not get a 20 cal? Because you would only need one gun. What's the fun in that? Ha
graet explanation
Thanks very much. I'm glad it was helpful.
I would zero the .177 at 35 m and do this over. I believe the out come will be more satifactory and provide better results.
Thanks for watching, but the trajectory curve will be the same regardless of what distance the rifle is zeroed at.
very informative.. thanks.. (glad your aiming with a gun is better than with the camera :-) )
I should put a scope on it! Thanks for watching.
All objects fall at the same rate regardless of mass. Projectiles traveling at the same velocity will drop at identical rates regardless of caliber or mass. It is air resistance that is the determinant factor. A more massive projectile has more inertia therefore takes longer to loose velocity due to air resistance. This is what causes the trajectory to be different downrange with different mass and caliber provided muzzle velocity is the same.
So 177 ,doesn’t mater if you zero at any range 0-30 with any 11 plus ft pound rifle will be flat trajectory?
Not quite. Zeroed at 30 m and with the scope mounted close to the barrel, there should be no difference in aimpoint/impact between 20 and 30 m. Closer than that you will need to aim off. Best thing to do is get in the garden/on the range, zero at 30m and then put targets out at 5,10,15,20 and 25m and see what your set up does.
Helpful video but "I would say" use a ruler to measure with in future. 😂
I did a similar thing yesterday and found my rifle and pellets were the same POI at 20m & 30m and dropped by 1/2 a mil dot at 40m didn’t go out to 50m cos I never hunt that far and just wanted to figure out holdover on new rifle and sight
Super Video 👍
Thanks very much.
It would be handy to see the difference in 177 and 22 with a trajectory curve on paper.ie,a line from the pellet leaving the rifle,the height it gains an loses as it hits the target.
It's not exactly a physical calculation,but rather a mathematical drawn line.
Hi Stan. If you've not come across the Strelok Ballistic Calculator app give it a try. It will allow you to map the trajectory of your own rifle, allowing you to calculate precise hold over/under at different distances. I just wanted to show people the extent to which the two calibres are different at 12 ft. lbs. Thanks for watching.
Thanks excellent 🎉 😊
Thanks for watching.