I've owned this lock for over a year and have tried picking it several times, unaware of the side bar. I'll be able to get it now. Thanks for the great bit of knowledge.
Turns out it wasn't _his_ lock he was trying so hard to pick opened, and was finally caught by the owner. A one sided gun fight ensued and he was permanently dealt with.
I have been picking locks for 40 years, and am blown away by what Lock Lawyer does. He has extra feeling in his fingers, a gift from God. MOST will Never ever come anywhere near him, no matter how much practice.! So be happy at your plateau !!
They don’t care about it being picked, out of every break in maybe 1 out of 1000 it’s due to it being picked. edit: fixed spelling error of word maybe.
Video after video keep showing the people at Master Lock they make junk.The only reason they would bury their heads in their hands is because they like to smell their own farts.
Master lock: "ha! We have finally gotten him!" Lpl: all we need to do is shove this thing in here and this lock becomes easy" Master lock: "Mo!#$&F&#%$@"
Thank you for this channel, i can entirely blame my start into the world of picking on you. I hope you continue making vids, they have been incredibly helpful.
It would be extremely tedious having to apply torque on the keyway and simultaneously holding the factory tool to reset the key. If you were that experienced in lock picking, you wouldn’t even want that trash core for yourself other than for resale value.
Uhmm... obviously it's a personal thing but I started with a cheap one-of-everything kind of kit from china but soon found that I rarely use anything besides the short hook. Sometimes a medium one, sometimes a half diamond. It's cool to have the rest lying around and play with it but once you know a little bit what works for you and you're not too harsh on your picks anymore (we all abuse them in the beginning :) ), I would go for a little thinner steel, a little higher quality and small kits or even single picks. I recently got a few things from sparrows which seem really quite nice but it's a bit pricey imo. As long as you're having fun and are not breaking your bank it's all good :D
I thought this lock looked interesting... but, a lot of the reviews I'm finding online say the lock fails fairly quickly in the wild--fails to open with proper key. Plus, this lock has been discontinued by Master... so that's probably why it is hard to find. This really seems a shame as everyone loves the ability to key this to a kwikset key. My search for a good lock continues...
Thank you! Thank you! Helpful and informative as usual! I have a M532 that I use to secure my tools at job sites and love but it failed open last week... apparently the re-keying mechanism had somehow become activated and wouldn't allow the lock to stay closed, after running it through the re-keying procedure described in your video (using a paperclip lol and the original key) and it appears to be working correctly again! Thanks again!
Well, I’m a puzzle solver guy...and I can’t get enough of these episodes. My favorite new pastime. This episode makes me wanna ask, “Why aren’t the lock companies contracting with you to help design a pick-proof lock?” It sounds like you’d be a natural consultant for these guys...and your input and the execution of your ideas would significantly increase the market value of their product. (I hear a few “cha-chings” when I say that)
LPL should work for a lock company honestly his ideas are some of the best, His super logical way of thinking could really design some great locks, I'm always amazed by the bypasses and picks he's able to do... I wish my mind worked like his..
@@medes5597 that sounds awfully counterproductive.... most industries/companies pay people good at defeating/ruining/breaking/exploiting their products so they can learn and improve.....
I charge for evaluations done at the prototype stage. At this point, master lock has spent tens maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars tooling up. They are not making any changes anytime soon.
fair enough... now i know :) anyway - keep up the good work with videos. I think i will get some picking toolset sometime soon (i wanted to start long time ago)
+LockPickingLawyer If the parts are machined, CNCs can be reprogrammed. If they're stamped, the tooling wears out over time and must be replaced anyway. The actual cost of tooling changes may be lower than you estimate (or a lot higher than I estimate). Even if you're right and it's up in the hundreds of thousands, how many of these locks do they sell and how many more could they sell if they were a lot harder to pick? Only Master Lock have those figures. But the fact that this core addressed some of the flaws you found in its predecessor indicates they're willing to make improvements. However, they're probably not going to pay you for your advice. You've already said what's wrong, so all they have to do is figure out how to fix those problems. OTOH, if they'd asked you at the prototype stage they'd have been ahead of the game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fix to the two biggest flaws could be only ... modifying the core retainer. A beefier part, that just overlaps the face of the core where you're inserting your tensioning tool. Only one part and no change to the assembly process.
I picked my first lock the other day using what I learned here, it was my dads favorite master lock bar style lock, it took me about 5 mins to get it the first time, then less than 1 min the other 4 times I did it.
@Benjamin Ale well, honestly I haven't picked another lock since, my father has since died and my financial and personal priorities don't allow for things I enjoy often, I'm currently trying to save money to sue my step mother who won't even give me any of my father's ashes and is breaking the law as she is also refusing to give me the portion of his personal property allowed to me by state law.
Also that could drive the price up, and they cater to the average ignorant Joe, so it wouldn't be that useful to have lpl and he can't really praise other lock companies anymore in his vids.
I love those screwdrivers. I've got a stack of maybe a dozen of them. £1 each... bargain. Also well done with the pick. That seems slightly more relevant!
Hopefully Master looks at videos online showing faults in their locks. I can understand not wanting to spend more money on a design already manufactured and sent to shelves, but good R&D should see faults before the lock is made and sent to the press. Bypasses come to mind more than the internals, as most thieves aren't concerned about actually picking a lock.
The construction of the bodies on those magnum locks are very tough. If some thief comes across this padlock even if they have some skill picking they won’t get this open. Very cool
Was just able to make a key for one while locked. Put pressure on sidebar with paperclip and decoded with lishi. Read the cuts 1 cut to high. once I cut them all down one extra cut turned perfect.
Given the construction of this Master Lock model is made a little tougher to pick for unexperienced and even some experienced chaps I would consider purchasing it.
as i said before, reverse sidebars, protect the reset access, now if they can protect the "outside bar access", and the cover plate of course, you would have a real lock
The balls in ML's court now. They could very easily impress me, or they can hold true to history. I AINT holding my breathe. By the way minutiae ... great word.
I feel this is overly harsh, Yes Master Lock could solve these problems, or at least the sidebar problem, however picking this lock open requires two details which you have to actually have knowledge of the internal mechanism of the lock in order to bypass and one of which requires a tool that you specifically made for doing the job even if you could fabricate that tool out in the wild it seems to me that this is a relatively secure lock for most purposes, the lock itself looks strong, the mechanism is good for the most part, but again I agree that it seems like it would be easy to solve this problem and so masterlock should do that unless there is some reason why they can't from a manufacturing standpoint
Hi LPL! Can you do a test with eurolocks? The test is: Try to pick them with the key inserted and turned somewhat (30 to 45 degrees, this way they can't be pulled out from the lock) on the otherside! Can't wait for the results! :)
Seems like a simpler solution would be to cut the top portion of the key away. The remaining bottom part of the key would deal with the sliders and would double as a tensioner. Its a wide open key way so there would still be plenty of room for a pick.
Maybe you could dremel out a recess on the inside of the lock body and JB-weld a thin piece of metal to the side of the core. Then, you'd finally have an unpickable Master lock!
Couldn't you overcome the side bar with a brute force attack? The materials the core are made of look very weak. I'd say that a small cold chisel wedged into the keyhole and a long wrench should be enough to overcome the side bar.
It's crazy that all it would take to make this lock extremely difficult to pick is to make the keyway plate radius just a bit larger... And they don't do it.
If a lock properly does this, they'd make a very nice lock Assuming it didn't have any major flaws, id consider throwing a decent amount of money at it. Basically what this says is "masterlock don't fuck it up a third time" Sorry for any errors. Cat is bein' lovey
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"MasterLock is darned close to producing a lock that I can't pick open"
This statement carries heft.
I've owned this lock for over a year and have tried picking it several times, unaware of the side bar. I'll be able to get it now. Thanks for the great bit of knowledge.
Good luck with it!
@lockhurst, how'd you do?
How did you do?
Turns out it wasn't _his_ lock he was trying so hard to pick opened, and was finally caught by the owner. A one sided gun fight ensued and he was permanently dealt with.
@@iyeetsecurity922 It is the only answer.
I have been picking locks for 40 years, and am blown away by what Lock Lawyer does. He has extra feeling in his fingers, a gift from God. MOST will Never ever come anywhere near him, no matter how much practice.! So be happy at your plateau !!
@5.10.........I can just imagine the guys at Master Lock (who must watch your videos) bury their heads in their hands and weep.
😂😂😂
lolololol i bet they do too
When the guys at master lock watch his videos, I doubt they are weeping. Probably sound more like a bunch of drunken sailors on a rampage. LAMO
They don’t care about it being picked, out of every break in maybe 1 out of 1000 it’s due to it being picked.
edit: fixed spelling error of word maybe.
Video after video keep showing the people at Master Lock they make junk.The only reason they would bury their heads in their hands is because they like to smell their own farts.
I love the rekeying mechanism though, it’s incredibly clever.
It is... the reprogramable sidebar is clever.
Master lock: "ha! We have finally gotten him!" Lpl: all we need to do is shove this thing in here and this lock becomes easy" Master lock: "Mo!#$&F&#%$@"
I read this in Morty's voice.
LOL!
it's still a pretty good lock since your average lockpick won't know the specific weakness
Master lock: (rages in AGK)
😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for this channel, i can entirely blame my start into the world of picking on you. I hope you continue making vids, they have been incredibly helpful.
Lol... good luck with your new addiction.
I tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
I Love that song!
So Masterlock made a lock that you can steal and reuse with your own keys 😅
It would be extremely tedious having to apply torque on the keyway and simultaneously holding the factory tool to reset the key. If you were that experienced in lock picking, you wouldn’t even want that trash core for yourself other than for resale value.
Stonks
Once its unlocked it looks like you simply rekey it as normal
My LOCKPICKING kit arrived today .. thanks for the inspiration
If you're anything like me it won't stay the only one :)
Welcome to the club. Good luck wrangling what will soon be your new addiction. 😈
Ebumbaya ' I am sure!! Any recommendations to try?
LockPickingLawyer yes and thanks to you I am prepared
Uhmm... obviously it's a personal thing but I started with a cheap one-of-everything kind of kit from china but soon found that I rarely use anything besides the short hook. Sometimes a medium one, sometimes a half diamond. It's cool to have the rest lying around and play with it but once you know a little bit what works for you and you're not too harsh on your picks anymore (we all abuse them in the beginning :) ), I would go for a little thinner steel, a little higher quality and small kits or even single picks. I recently got a few things from sparrows which seem really quite nice but it's a bit pricey imo. As long as you're having fun and are not breaking your bank it's all good :D
Doesn't it figure than an actually pretty good Master lock would be unobtainium!
I thought this lock looked interesting... but, a lot of the reviews I'm finding online say the lock fails fairly quickly in the wild--fails to open with proper key. Plus, this lock has been discontinued by Master... so that's probably why it is hard to find. This really seems a shame as everyone loves the ability to key this to a kwikset key. My search for a good lock continues...
Hmm, it's almost as if there was some kind of drill and pick protection plate in the design that got deleted before manufacture. : )
"Masterlock is very close with these to making a lock that I can't pick."
*Proceeds to pick the lock in under a minute*
Close but no cigar.
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades
Massive difference between the model 530 and 532!! I have a 530 that opens up to me like a drunken prom date and I've only been picking for 2 weeks.
Thank you! Thank you!
Helpful and informative as usual!
I have a M532 that I use to secure my tools at job sites and love but it failed open last week... apparently the re-keying mechanism had somehow become activated and wouldn't allow the lock to stay closed, after running it through the re-keying procedure described in your video (using a paperclip lol and the original key) and it appears to be working correctly again!
Thanks again!
This lock is "almost" a great lock. If they address those failures this could be very hard to pick
You have to know it's there and whats the likelihood of that.
They would pay him not to review their locks.
Silas Mayes exactly. Best thing master lock can do is to hide model numbers to prevent people from researching various attack methods.
Well, I’m a puzzle solver guy...and I can’t get enough of these episodes. My favorite new pastime. This episode makes me wanna ask, “Why aren’t the lock companies contracting with you to help design a pick-proof lock?” It sounds like you’d be a natural consultant for these guys...and your input and the execution of your ideas would significantly increase the market value of their product. (I hear a few “cha-chings” when I say that)
I guess if more locks get destroyed and picked it means you need to buy another lock
LPL should work for a lock company honestly his ideas are some of the best, His super logical way of thinking could really design some great locks, I'm always amazed by the bypasses and picks he's able to do... I wish my mind worked like his..
Very clever attack buddy. Thanks for sharing.
Hopefully Master sees this and the next generation of this design is improved upon.
They need to hire you as a consultant. Great video as usual LPL.👍🏽😎
👍
Masterlock is weirdly hostile to locksport people. They hate the community, and won't work with them.
@@medes5597 that sounds awfully counterproductive.... most industries/companies pay people good at defeating/ruining/breaking/exploiting their products so they can learn and improve.....
they should pay you for testing it :)
They should pay him for telling them what's wrong with it.
I charge for evaluations done at the prototype stage. At this point, master lock has spent tens maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars tooling up. They are not making any changes anytime soon.
fair enough... now i know :) anyway - keep up the good work with videos. I think i will get some picking toolset sometime soon (i wanted to start long time ago)
+LockPickingLawyer
If the parts are machined, CNCs can be reprogrammed. If they're stamped, the tooling wears out over time and must be replaced anyway. The actual cost of tooling changes may be lower than you estimate (or a lot higher than I estimate).
Even if you're right and it's up in the hundreds of thousands, how many of these locks do they sell and how many more could they sell if they were a lot harder to pick? Only Master Lock have those figures. But the fact that this core addressed some of the flaws you found in its predecessor indicates they're willing to make improvements.
However, they're probably not going to pay you for your advice. You've already said what's wrong, so all they have to do is figure out how to fix those problems. OTOH, if they'd asked you at the prototype stage they'd have been ahead of the game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fix to the two biggest flaws could be only ... modifying the core retainer. A beefier part, that just overlaps the face of the core where you're inserting your tensioning tool. Only one part and no change to the assembly process.
I picked my first lock the other day using what I learned here, it was my dads favorite master lock bar style lock, it took me about 5 mins to get it the first time, then less than 1 min the other 4 times I did it.
Dr. Strangelove
I remember when I picked my first lock, I kinda felt like James Bond haha. Happy picking.
Lockhurst thanks!
Excellent! Be careful... it’s addictive!
LockPickingLawyer I should be ok, I don't have a very addictive personality. Lol. Thanks for the reply.
@Benjamin Ale well, honestly I haven't picked another lock since, my father has since died and my financial and personal priorities don't allow for things I enjoy often, I'm currently trying to save money to sue my step mother who won't even give me any of my father's ashes and is breaking the law as she is also refusing to give me the portion of his personal property allowed to me by state law.
8:20 Damned with faint praise.
Master Lock could hire this guy as a million dollar consultant and make their locks the best in the business
Why do that when clueless people will buy their locks anyways?
@@Soandnb that's probably Master's main business model.
Also that could drive the price up, and they cater to the average ignorant Joe, so it wouldn't be that useful to have lpl and he can't really praise other lock companies anymore in his vids.
Hey, have you ever tried cracking an ABUS defender bicycle wheel lock? They're really weird. Love the vids!
So close, Master Lock. So close. Oh well.
On the bright side, probably the, closest Master Lock has ... EVER been.
Great video and picking as always brother and thanks for sharing it with us
I love those screwdrivers. I've got a stack of maybe a dozen of them. £1 each... bargain.
Also well done with the pick. That seems slightly more relevant!
Hopefully Master looks at videos online showing faults in their locks. I can understand not wanting to spend more money on a design already manufactured and sent to shelves, but good R&D should see faults before the lock is made and sent to the press. Bypasses come to mind more than the internals, as most thieves aren't concerned about actually picking a lock.
They don't. They hate the locksport community, they think all these lockpickers make their products look bad and thus refuse to engage with them.
I have a lock picking set, thanks for teaching me the laws of the lockpicking, lawyer
The construction of the bodies on those magnum locks are very tough. If some thief comes across this padlock even if they have some skill picking they won’t get this open. Very cool
Except for the bottom plate. I’ve become less and less impressed with them the more I test.
LockPickingLawyer very true, I’m sure any attack focused on the bottom plate would tear this lock apart
Was just able to make a key for one while locked. Put pressure on sidebar with paperclip and decoded with lishi. Read the cuts 1 cut to high. once I cut them all down one extra cut turned perfect.
Ultimate troll: Find a person using this lock and pick it open. Then re-key the lock with some random key and lock it back up.
Wolfpackflt670 -
You have a very devious mind.
I like it!🤣
based on the complaints about "not working" with the proper key, I'm pretty sure this already happens :D
So that’s a really bad ass lock. Impressive for sure
Jesus...your just on a whole another level dude.
SO TRUE !! and Just like a Professional basketball player, you could practice all your life, and NEVER be that good.
6:48 Master Locks: "YES! We got the C clip right!"
5 years later....Masterlock did NOT protect that sidebar better...
So close yet so far - if you have the skill.
Great job LPL. You have inspired my new hobby. Keep up the good work !!!!
Very informative,, thank you. Keep up the good videos.
to be fair, this looks like a decent lock. Takes a reasonable amont of prior knowledge to actually pick this
Master should hire you to develop locks
I’m always happy to help... lots of ideas
That 180 degree weird key lock was unpickable. I saw your video and its impossible to tension anything to pick as its protected by the tube.
They were so close but yet so far away lol.great video LPL,🌟⭐🌟🌟🌟⭐🌟⭐😎⭐🌟
Thanks.
Given the construction of this Master Lock model is made a little tougher to pick for unexperienced and even some experienced chaps I would consider purchasing it.
I'm curious if Master Lock ever addressed the flaw that LPL pointed out in this video. Anyone know?
Couldn't they just make the front face of the core wider than the rest of the core? Then you couldn't get a tool down there right?
Yup... that’s the one aspect to it.
Oh damn, looks tough, reminds me of how someone opened a kwikset Gen 3...
as i said before, reverse sidebars, protect the reset access, now if they can protect the "outside bar access", and the cover plate of course, you would have a real lock
Until the sidebar springs fail. Which they will.
Agreed.
The balls in ML's court now. They could very easily impress me, or they can hold true to history. I AINT holding my breathe. By the way minutiae ... great word.
Would it be possible to (re)program this lock to your own key after you pick it? Without using the correct key...
Yes.
But that would be evil 🙊
LPL I swear you're the Bob Ross of B&E....
I’ve had a lock pick set and managed to pick open most wafer cores and pin and tumbler cores and it’s become an obsession
A cool masterlock. What's the world coming to.
Lock Lawyer is one out of 10,000. You could get the BEST tools, and Practice your whole life away, and NEVER be 1/4 as good. NEVER !!
I feel this is overly harsh, Yes Master Lock could solve these problems, or at least the sidebar problem, however picking this lock open requires two details which you have to actually have knowledge of the internal mechanism of the lock in order to bypass and one of which requires a tool that you specifically made for doing the job even if you could fabricate that tool out in the wild it seems to me that this is a relatively secure lock for most purposes, the lock itself looks strong, the mechanism is good for the most part, but again I agree that it seems like it would be easy to solve this problem and so masterlock should do that unless there is some reason why they can't from a manufacturing standpoint
Are you able to brute force turn the core on this lock because it is internally rekeyable like you can with the Kwikset "Smart" Key system?
I doubt it. This is a much more robust sidebar/slider design... also Kwikset fixed that on the gen3 locks.
Brilliant...!
Whoa whoa whoa.... Hold on a sec.. It's not nice getting Master Lock hopes up... 😕😂
Hi LPL! Can you do a test with eurolocks? The test is: Try to pick them with the key inserted and turned somewhat (30 to 45 degrees, this way they can't be pulled out from the lock) on the otherside! Can't wait for the results! :)
That depends on the cam mechanism. There are hundreds of variations.
A MasterLock that impresses LPL? That's amazing!
Nice video LPL
Seems like a simpler solution would be to cut the top portion of the key away. The remaining bottom part of the key would deal with the sliders and would double as a tensioner. Its a wide open key way so there would still be plenty of room for a pick.
There are lots of options if you want to be destructive.
The point in picking is that you don't use a key
@@jayraymond9460 The point in picking is to open the lock in a non destructive manner.
@@heathenbushcraft2981 correct, when a key is not immediately available.
@@jayraymond9460 Are you high?
Master, are you taking notes?
I have 2 of these and wish Master Lock still made them
They should hire you and pay you for testing!
wow very impressive pic
Maybe you could dremel out a recess on the inside of the lock body and JB-weld a thin piece of metal to the side of the core.
Then, you'd finally have an unpickable Master lock!
Genius
Impressive work LPL!
Couldn't you overcome the side bar with a brute force attack? The materials the core are made of look very weak. I'd say that a small cold chisel wedged into the keyhole and a long wrench should be enough to overcome the side bar.
I doubt it. A chisel would cam out, and something that fits would break. The old smartkey locks were an anomaly.
Fantastic Video & Work As Always LPL. Keep up the great work. Nick🧔🏽🔐🔒🔓. Lock Pick Nick.
Let’s take it apart lol you mean put the last nail in the coffin 🤣
Along with someone with LPL's lockpicking and analysis ability, that rekey function could be rough on someone.
So basically, it's a wafer lock, with a secondary locking mechanism.
Master Lock: Ah Ha! We have finally foiled the lock pickers!
LockPickingLawyer: Hold my beer.
That did take you longer than other Master locks.
They should pay you to test out a prototype lock to find any weaknesses before mass production.
So will the next Master Lock video be the final chapter for lock picking? :/
LPL, what other padlocks (other than Master) would be compatible with this core? Is the tailpiece detachable? Such a nice core for 15 dollars!
None.
Maybe Master Lock will heed your advice and Model M533 will do the trick!
We can hope.
now they have to call it master luck....
When adding like 1 mm of metal would have made all the difference. it's like they want their locks to be pick-able. embarrassing.
i would like to see what locks he does recommend, for doors as well
Legend
Impressive!
It's crazy that all it would take to make this lock extremely difficult to pick is to make the keyway plate radius just a bit larger... And they don't do it.
If a lock properly does this, they'd make a very nice lock
Assuming it didn't have any major flaws, id consider throwing a decent amount of money at it.
Basically what this says is "masterlock don't fuck it up a third time"
Sorry for any errors. Cat is bein' lovey
I would really like to have one of those. However it seems like they are no longer sold. And definitely not in Europe :(
A pick resistant masterlock?
Oh wait this isn't April fools
My guess is these locks wouldn't appreciate much heat. I bet it wouldn't last a minute. Value engineering strikes again.
I like lock picking because it's like a puzzle that has tonnes of variations and is useful should you loose a key
Nice
That could be awesome lock if ML made core covering plate to cover a bit bigger. What a shame.
LPL u need slapping.... slapping for being so bloody good .. i myself have improved from your vids. thankyou very much sharing your talent
Since it uses a Kwikset keyway, will a Lishi KW1 work on it?
9 minute master lock video
Is this susceptible to the torquing method like the other re-keyable kwikset cores?
I highly doubt it. Reverse sidebar locks are very resistant to that type of attack.
I actually kinda like that lock
Me too... except for a few important items.
Does anyone know where you can buy these locks at