10 secs into the vid I am hoping it's not a LPL copy. Now at end; it's not in any way, not even showing the new version's vulnerability LPL showed. Kudos!
U talking about the hammer? The LPL hardly shows you anything about tiny details. I was watching his video on a Real Estate lock box. He just glazed over many details and I had to keep pausing video to try to see what tools and techniques he was using.
"These manufacturers are wising up to this weakness" the fact that it took them this long really tells us a LOT about how much they really care about security compared to the illusion of it.
@@DeviantOllam ................i looked under my chair and all i found was some HIGHLY MAILABLE SHEET STEEL that is too soft to be useful for pen testing, it is soft AND thick! oprah lied to me!!! joking but i just ordered a few different tools because i have a feeling that they will be useful for me doing audio/video, it, security, cameras, even opening 1 lock in front of the owners of a business can drive sales of a camera system in seconds, not much longer than the actual process of opening said lock!
Having started with this newest style (and eventually having succeeded) I'm pretty happy to hear that they are significantly tougher to bypass than the ones I watched people online opening.
Another great instructional. I have one of the "newer" Master 175 locks. Whoever had it before me must be a locksportster. I can see where they ground down the area of the lock where the metal pin goes thru, enough that someone could pull that pin with the right tools and forces. I have a .06 decoder, and so far I can't get it to work on this Master. I also have one of the new Sesame locks. No combination, so I have "tried" with a mini knife, but not willing to use that much force as to ruin my tool. Yet!!! There's another exploitation for the combination wheels I dont think Dev touched on. The use of aluminum can material or locksmith shim material to use as a feeler gauge, to find "gates" or "slots" somewhere on the wheels, in order to find the combination, instead of a direct bypass. I've procrastinated trying that method, but I'm really curious now, if it works on the newer Sesame locks. We know it works on the older ones.
I was going to ask until I saw the Second Deviant from the future. Thx for the Video and Now I need to go look at readteam tools again. (love the bloopers)
I have one of the newer powder coated 175s and I was so confused because it was a lot more difficult to bypass than all of the examples on TH-cam. I guess that explains it!
Great video as always. I really enjoy learning about vulnerabilities and the fixes that are put in place. It is a live example of industry innovation. Your enthusiasm for what you do is contagious. I also really enjoy the vocabulary from The Parrot in Eric. Had a good chuckle.
Just got into picking/bypassing and got myself a new 175 to try this exploit. Went through 2 ez decoders before I got it. Now with the ultra decoder I'm about as fast as the combo/awesome youtube guys. My trick is pushing it in straight, it stops almost right away, then pushing at an angle to the left (just a couple degrees) and it goes right in. Glad to hear this was a little harder than I thought it was supposed to be, and hopefully someone can benefit from my mangled ez decoders. Now if only I could get padlock shims to work.
Also to mention that the newer tool-free combo setting Masterlock design can be decoded when locked without any tools at all; No shim needed. It's a little less covert / expedient than a shim though.
Yeah, I'm just now realizing that while we have sold them to students in the past as part of their classroom kits, I don't think we have ever sold the small Quick Stick keychain sized unit on Red Team Tools. But I do have a link to Southern Specialties where it is for sale. We might stock it at some point if people would like on our site, as well.
@@DeviantOllam I got mine from Southern Specialties a while ago. Combined with a toool lockpick card they became part of a key tool similar to the one that LPL sells (but I built mine earlier).
Was rewatching Pit to Penthouse earlier and it became evident you used to be about double you, maybe through charisma score i hadnt noticed but have to call it out, I know that mission.. Well done for winning it battle by battle. Big Kudos for making it (im guessing) a new frame of mind? Anyway top effort bud
Not sure I'll get an answer this late. I don't have that window lock or the Peterson Knife to test with. But it seems to me that if you push on the pin a bit, it will release some pressure on the latch, thus making it a little easier to open.
For the new ones you just have to use the right side of the second wheel and turn that wheel until you can insert the knife. It will only go in when the wheel is on the right number. It is a little more tricky, but still completely possible.
Yeah it's funny that it's taken so long for them to make it harder. But I remember LPL did a video where he couldn't use the knife but rapped it with a plastic ended hammer. 👍🤘🖖🍻
Bought a code brink a week ago to practice this exploit and was having trouble getting the knife in. Could do it, but barely because of how hard it was to get the knife into position and shifting the latch. Thought I was bad considering all the videos of people just sliding in no problem and lifting the latch in less than a second when I was taking about a minute of aggressively bouncing the knife and being afraid I'd bend the thing.
Have to admit, when Deviant asks me to "Stay safe out there" that many times in a video, I start to get worried he knows something going down that I don't...😅😂
I could be wrong and I haven't tried it my self as I don't have the new style but I think I saw LpL bypass the new model 175 where you go between the case and the bottom plate just above the wheels ill try to find you the link...
I was thinking this was going to be a spin on LPL's own vid on the newer variants of the 175D. Thanks for showing another model with an equally abysmal failure instead. Question is the new version of the 175D featured in your video just as vulnerable to rapping the shackle with a mallet?
As the 175 appears to have tightened their tolerances and it's now hard to get in there I have to wonder if they are still porous somewhat. As the lock opens by pushing something down is it possible to give the lock a decent rap with a hammer/mallet on the back surface and get it to pop open?
Unshielded padlocks (especially normal padlocks) always confused me - in that why do they even exist. I mean okay, there's a wafer you can put there, but I bet there's a way to make it not possible right off the manufacturing line. Same goes for all the spring loaded locking that can be just pushed away... Meanwhile good old Elzett just had a direct rotating latch on the Tutius back in the day with none of the issues and fraction of the moving parts :D (Also, nice Georgian in the background, heh :D)
So you travel quite a bit. I do as well. Do you get any pushback from TSA on the items in the cell phone case? I've had other similar tools spotted and confiscated in the past.
Hey, Deviant Ollam, how do you explain Modeco locks to common people? They're kind of common in my area so I describe them as "Some next level shit no mere mortal is going to get past, the pins fuckin' spin." Do you think you could do a video on them? Their security features aren't really covered that much by you or LPL.
Here's my video opening a new Master 175 Word lock using the bypass method - except with a homemade tool, not the Peterson mini knife. th-cam.com/video/u4-vi57yK0g/w-d-xo.html Slightly different method but it still works.
Not at all. It's very hard to see through circuit boards and batteries reliably (which is why most screening processes ask you to take your laptop and electronics out of your bag. It's not because they want to see the laptop more clearly, it's because they want to see the contents of the bag more clearly)
@@DeviantOllam that's interesting. I prefer to drive wherever I'm going off possibly, so I rarely fly anymore. But I just flew into Denver last night and going through TSA checkpoints got me to questioning how they go about a few things. Thanks for the insight!
yeah, i'll take better. even so, i'd also preferably take just an actual blockage. just don't have it exposed at all. make the operating surfaces go around a corner or something, then it's solved forever.
Would the lock picking community ever support legislation requiring new locks to have all the easy bypasses blocked, like lifting, shimming, decoding, knifing, etc? Is there a concern there that it's not exactly a fight you want to start when the other side can throw a lot more money into getting your tools banned entirely or listed as prima facia evidence of a crime?
I think the lockpicking community would support this, however outside of that microcosm it's generally on the consumer to determine whether a lock is a good lock and make an informed decision. Obviously Master Lock can't falsely advertise their products, but if people want to buy shitty locks for $5, that is generally the decision of the consumer.
@@robert-rv8lo I think it's pretty clear that the general consumer is so vastly uninformed that government intervention is reasonable. Someone might look at a lock and understand what its size, shape, and construction means for destructive bypasses, and are generally aware of single pin picking, but hardly any are aware that the most popular locks in the country can be bypassed faster than you can use a key and leave no evidence of entry behind. The entire concept of consumer protection is exactly designed for this situation.
In many other parts of the world these sorts of situations are addressed by independent bodies. Often insurance companies, who tend to review locks and safes in general, but those ratings that they are given apply to how the lock is classified in the marketplace.
1:45 I hate you. Not really you personally but more like what you just demonstrated here. There are some places (certain court buildings, etc) that force people to power off their mobile devices and place them in a sort of maglocked neoprene sleeve at the security checkpoint. This is done (illegally?) to prevent people from creating their own independent record of the proceedings for... reasons. They so far have been able to get away with it because technically they are only restricting the use of electronic devices in certain areas, not actually removing your property from your possession. But even with your little ditty floating around out there, that can't just claim that every phone/case is concealing dangerous contraband. What they could probably try to do instead though is direct everybody to put their devices into a "secure" locker at the checkpoint because they *could* be used to conceal contraband, especially since they could easily argue that those neoprene sleeves could easily be defeated. And technically they have not seized your property because *you* stored it in a monitored locker and *you* have a key to access it when you leave. Finally, the reason why I hate you for your little hack. You have just given these people another excuse to treat all people as suspect for the grievous act of having a common everyday item that damned near everybody owns nowadays, as if they weren't already working overtime to do that on their own anyway. Thanks, Deeves. Just... thanks. 🙄
10 secs into the vid I am hoping it's not a LPL copy.
Now at end; it's not in any way, not even showing the new version's vulnerability LPL showed. Kudos!
Hey, thanks!
U talking about the hammer? The LPL hardly shows you anything about tiny details. I was watching his video on a Real Estate lock box. He just glazed over many details and I had to keep pausing video to try to see what tools and techniques he was using.
"These manufacturers are wising up to this weakness" the fact that it took them this long really tells us a LOT about how much they really care about security compared to the illusion of it.
Yada, yada, yada. They didn't change because the public didn't care and virtually no crime from bypassing
Thing is, 99.9999999999999% of crooks never pick a lock. You can buy 5 foot long bolt cutters at Harbor Freight for $40
You get a mini knife! You get a mini knife! Everybody gets a mini knife!!!!
Oprah energy intensifies
@@DeviantOllam I looked underneath my seat, but was sadly disappointed.
We are all winners today
@@walkingcontradiction223 check other seats in your house. :-) Don't forget toilet seats. :-)
@@DeviantOllam ................i looked under my chair and all i found was some HIGHLY MAILABLE SHEET STEEL that is too soft to be useful for pen testing, it is soft AND thick! oprah lied to me!!! joking but i just ordered a few different tools because i have a feeling that they will be useful for me doing audio/video, it, security, cameras, even opening 1 lock in front of the owners of a business can drive sales of a camera system in seconds, not much longer than the actual process of opening said lock!
"Nails on a chalk board." The description alone gives me goosebumps.
Having started with this newest style (and eventually having succeeded) I'm pretty happy to hear that they are significantly tougher to bypass than the ones I watched people online opening.
9:43 I love it when they're "unshielded on the rear".
Haha
You apparently need a very thin tool for this bypass, giving hope to millions.
It's amazing how many futures you can unlock with the right bypass tools.
Thanks for being so awesome! Shipping stuff overseas ain't cheap so I appreciate it even though lady luck hasn't been on my side yet!
Master Lock: We make your tool obsolete
*Lockpickers looking on*
Peterson: We'll just shove our tool elsewhere.
Some of this sounds like porn.
Have you seen LockPickingLawyer’s April fools videos.
@@mchsprod Yes and I love that he managed to get in to his ex-girlfriend's backdoor..
“Sesame” is such a brilliant name for a lock brand, the jokes all but write themselves 🤣
OPEN, SESAME!
Another great instructional. I have one of the "newer" Master 175 locks. Whoever had it before me must be a locksportster. I can see where they ground down the area of the lock where the metal pin goes thru, enough that someone could pull that pin with the right tools and forces. I have a .06 decoder, and so far I can't get it to work on this Master. I also have one of the new Sesame locks. No combination, so I have "tried" with a mini knife, but not willing to use that much force as to ruin my tool. Yet!!! There's another exploitation for the combination wheels I dont think Dev touched on. The use of aluminum can material or locksmith shim material to use as a feeler gauge, to find "gates" or "slots" somewhere on the wheels, in order to find the combination, instead of a direct bypass. I've procrastinated trying that method, but I'm really curious now, if it works on the newer Sesame locks. We know it works on the older ones.
I'm not even a lockpicker, but I like hearing smart people speak well. Thanks. Subb'd
I'm used to hear "this is the lockpicking lawyer" when i see master locks getting rekt.
Close but no cigar. Awesome update at the end of the video.
I was going to ask until I saw the Second Deviant from the future. Thx for the Video and Now I need to go look at readteam tools again. (love the bloopers)
Lovely simple to understand thanks 🙏
I have one of the newer powder coated 175s and I was so confused because it was a lot more difficult to bypass than all of the examples on TH-cam. I guess that explains it!
Great video as always. I really enjoy learning about vulnerabilities and the fixes that are put in place. It is a live example of industry innovation. Your enthusiasm for what you do is contagious.
I also really enjoy the vocabulary from The Parrot in Eric. Had a good chuckle.
Awesome, informational and as always... classy video. Thanks Dev!
Just got into picking/bypassing and got myself a new 175 to try this exploit. Went through 2 ez decoders before I got it. Now with the ultra decoder I'm about as fast as the combo/awesome youtube guys. My trick is pushing it in straight, it stops almost right away, then pushing at an angle to the left (just a couple degrees) and it goes right in. Glad to hear this was a little harder than I thought it was supposed to be, and hopefully someone can benefit from my mangled ez decoders. Now if only I could get padlock shims to work.
Also to mention that the newer tool-free combo setting Masterlock design can be decoded when locked without any tools at all; No shim needed. It's a little less covert / expedient than a shim though.
I need to get one of the short ones for my keychain of doom.
Yeah, I'm just now realizing that while we have sold them to students in the past as part of their classroom kits, I don't think we have ever sold the small Quick Stick keychain sized unit on Red Team Tools. But I do have a link to Southern Specialties where it is for sale. We might stock it at some point if people would like on our site, as well.
@@DeviantOllam Well get on it then. 😂
@@DeviantOllam I got mine from Southern Specialties a while ago. Combined with a toool lockpick card they became part of a key tool similar to the one that LPL sells (but I built mine earlier).
These videos are awesome, I'm a student looking to get into the field and learning from you and LPL has been incredibly useful.
Thanks for the info .. Have to try this out .. Looking good .. Looks like you lost some weight
just redicovered your videos again, always fascinating, enough for me to buy a el-cheapo lockpick set and give it a go on some of my stuff.
Was rewatching Pit to Penthouse earlier and it became evident you used to be about double you, maybe through charisma score i hadnt noticed but have to call it out, I know that mission.. Well done for winning it battle by battle. Big Kudos for making it (im guessing) a new frame of mind? Anyway top effort bud
The more things change, the more they stay the same!!
Truth
Not sure I'll get an answer this late. I don't have that window lock or the Peterson Knife to test with. But it seems to me that if you push on the pin a bit, it will release some pressure on the latch, thus making it a little easier to open.
Will pick one up tomorrow, to test a medium hook in .020 over the third wheel, I know the hammer still works.
Yay! A new video. Hmm, gonna buy me some tools and some training locks.
For the new ones you just have to use the right side of the second wheel and turn that wheel until you can insert the knife. It will only go in when the wheel is on the right number. It is a little more tricky, but still completely possible.
Thanks for the video 🔒
Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne, carrots for the Sterling!
Yeah it's funny that it's taken so long for them to make it harder. But I remember LPL did a video where he couldn't use the knife but rapped it with a plastic ended hammer. 👍🤘🖖🍻
Hah, also always fun to see. :-)
Bought a code brink a week ago to practice this exploit and was having trouble getting the knife in. Could do it, but barely because of how hard it was to get the knife into position and shifting the latch. Thought I was bad considering all the videos of people just sliding in no problem and lifting the latch in less than a second when I was taking about a minute of aggressively bouncing the knife and being afraid I'd bend the thing.
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elite lockpicking
I love your work Deviant!
Thanks! I love making content that people enjoy. :-)
Really cool demonstration, thanks for this video, cheers
You are most welcome 👍
Have to admit, when Deviant asks me to "Stay safe out there" that many times in a video, I start to get worried he knows something going down that I don't...😅😂
just did a new one yesterday it was a little more difficult but did not stop me.
Honestly thought this was going to be more along the line of "Master fixed this one thing but in the process they made a worse mistake"
Sometimes you gotta close the door to open up a window.
A sharp point a gouging point, like a shank... "proceeds to copy Ollam" stabs palm of hand... "yep that is a shank alright... DOH"
Very cool
Dang... Missed the giveaway.. All good. See you in July
I could be wrong and I haven't tried it my self as I don't have the new style but I think I saw LpL bypass the new model 175 where you go between the case and the bottom plate just above the wheels ill try to find you the link...
I was thinking this was going to be a spin on LPL's own vid on the newer variants of the 175D. Thanks for showing another model with an equally abysmal failure instead. Question is the new version of the 175D featured in your video just as vulnerable to rapping the shackle with a mallet?
Master lock have disc detainer locks. They have done a ok job with those
Welcome to JamRock...
Hey Dev, in the far future is "pushtivity" one of them new SAT words?
Respects and Thanks again for fighting the good fight.
Just thinking, that would be ideally hidden from the unsuspecting as an attachment on a pair of nail clippers.
Squeeze rock and release... Words to live by
It's like half, half, whole, swivel
This is why I only trust licensed proctologists.
You have to say "Open Sesamee" while trying to pick it.
0:45 cheeky Easter egg. 1337 😂
As the 175 appears to have tightened their tolerances and it's now hard to get in there I have to wonder if they are still porous somewhat. As the lock opens by pushing something down is it possible to give the lock a decent rap with a hammer/mallet on the back surface and get it to pop open?
Unshielded padlocks (especially normal padlocks) always confused me - in that why do they even exist. I mean okay, there's a wafer you can put there, but I bet there's a way to make it not possible right off the manufacturing line. Same goes for all the spring loaded locking that can be just pushed away... Meanwhile good old Elzett just had a direct rotating latch on the Tutius back in the day with none of the issues and fraction of the moving parts :D
(Also, nice Georgian in the background, heh :D)
I'm kinda surprised that there's no list of unshielded padlocks made by the locksport community.
Ah jeezus, I thought it was just me 😁
So you travel quite a bit. I do as well. Do you get any pushback from TSA on the items in the cell phone case? I've had other similar tools spotted and confiscated in the past.
Or simply bounce the locking plate by hitting the front of the lock while holding the hasp down (aka rapping)
Does TSA give you trouble about the phone case items, or do you remove those when you fly?
They never notice
@@DeviantOllam even if they do notice, a "professional" is allowed to carry tools of his trade :)
There’s nothing in the phone case more dangerous that the phone’s battery.
Push, rock, release. Is this an unused LPL AFJ script I see here?
Don’t think I didn’t notice what you have the lock combination set to
Would a little lube like some graphite or moly or a super light oil help any?
Hey, Deviant Ollam, how do you explain Modeco locks to common people? They're kind of common in my area so I describe them as "Some next level shit no mere mortal is going to get past, the pins fuckin' spin." Do you think you could do a video on them? Their security features aren't really covered that much by you or LPL.
We have an advanced class that diffuses them but we don't have any public videos about them right now
Here's my video opening a new Master 175 Word lock using the bypass method - except with a homemade tool, not the Peterson mini knife. th-cam.com/video/u4-vi57yK0g/w-d-xo.html Slightly different method but it still works.
Does Max Powers have a TH-cam channel or website ?
Based on the design, should these not also be shimmable? Or are the tolerances such that you can’t get a shim in between the hasp and lock body?
You are right. In theory, they should be shimmeable, but it's not really possible to reach it
@@DeviantOllam what about the shutter lock, I’d think it might be shimable given the design.
I imagine Heaven is a lot like Deviant talking about cool things in front of the Furry Wall. Knowledge, Warmth, Comfort.
Just going to pop in and ask if you know the biting for a fire service key (florida, zone 5)
I know of the regions but I fear I do not share key details publicly
A mini knife is a tool I somehow dont have yet🤷♂️
I only started putting one in my kit after making this video, so you and I are in the same boat. :-)
Is it just my screen or are some of those books in Hebrew/Yiddish? The I can't see which way up the thick purpley Nebula one should go.
You're seeing them in Georgian script. I'm in Tbilisi
Welcome to jamrock 🎶
Couldn't you just shim the 605's bolt?
If Deviant Ollam isn't a hobbit then I don't know what is
Hobbits are awesome btw
I am a fan of elevensies and second breakfast, so you may be onto something. :-)
@@DeviantOllam Hobbits walk through locks like elves walk through forests. Tricksy they are :)) Have a good day Dev
Thanks for showing us cool shit!!
It was just a fluke!
(a Masterlock resisting an attack that is... Lol)
So, does TSA say anything about those being in your phone case?
Not at all. It's very hard to see through circuit boards and batteries reliably (which is why most screening processes ask you to take your laptop and electronics out of your bag. It's not because they want to see the laptop more clearly, it's because they want to see the contents of the bag more clearly)
@@DeviantOllam that's interesting. I prefer to drive wherever I'm going off possibly, so I rarely fly anymore. But I just flew into Denver last night and going through TSA checkpoints got me to questioning how they go about a few things. Thanks for the insight!
hi key safe combo bypass ?
5:11 the finish looks like anodized Aluminum.
Does anyone know a surce for the knives in the EU?
Multipick has some Sparrows knives.
yeah, i'll take better. even so, i'd also preferably take just an actual blockage. just don't have it exposed at all. make the operating surfaces go around a corner or something, then it's solved forever.
So I’m guessing your phone doesn’t support Qi charging?
I always plug in yeah
Click this link and sign up says the Red Team guy.
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Okay. But, only this one time.
Please Dev, stop stabbing those poor locks, they are already dead ;)
Haha. They do get jabbed pretty hard
Deviant for life
Deviant for water of life. 🥃☺️
Since you mentioned you use lock picks “in the field”… just be aware, if I catch you using one on my stuff you will not be granted a warning
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!
Mini knife!!!!
Just give away all the things 😂
Would the lock picking community ever support legislation requiring new locks to have all the easy bypasses blocked, like lifting, shimming, decoding, knifing, etc? Is there a concern there that it's not exactly a fight you want to start when the other side can throw a lot more money into getting your tools banned entirely or listed as prima facia evidence of a crime?
I think the lockpicking community would support this, however outside of that microcosm it's generally on the consumer to determine whether a lock is a good lock and make an informed decision. Obviously Master Lock can't falsely advertise their products, but if people want to buy shitty locks for $5, that is generally the decision of the consumer.
@@robert-rv8lo I think it's pretty clear that the general consumer is so vastly uninformed that government intervention is reasonable. Someone might look at a lock and understand what its size, shape, and construction means for destructive bypasses, and are generally aware of single pin picking, but hardly any are aware that the most popular locks in the country can be bypassed faster than you can use a key and leave no evidence of entry behind. The entire concept of consumer protection is exactly designed for this situation.
In many other parts of the world these sorts of situations are addressed by independent bodies. Often insurance companies, who tend to review locks and safes in general, but those ratings that they are given apply to how the lock is classified in the marketplace.
Rock the lock! LOL
when he said Romania
it is us made
Both the Peterson and ours are both US made
Oh its Deviant, thought this was LPL.. damn thumb nails.
1337 😆
Dremel the face off
Lol. Swear the wrong way.
1:45 I hate you. Not really you personally but more like what you just demonstrated here. There are some places (certain court buildings, etc) that force people to power off their mobile devices and place them in a sort of maglocked neoprene sleeve at the security checkpoint. This is done (illegally?) to prevent people from creating their own independent record of the proceedings for... reasons. They so far have been able to get away with it because technically they are only restricting the use of electronic devices in certain areas, not actually removing your property from your possession. But even with your little ditty floating around out there, that can't just claim that every phone/case is concealing dangerous contraband. What they could probably try to do instead though is direct everybody to put their devices into a "secure" locker at the checkpoint because they *could* be used to conceal contraband, especially since they could easily argue that those neoprene sleeves could easily be defeated. And technically they have not seized your property because *you* stored it in a monitored locker and *you* have a key to access it when you leave. Finally, the reason why I hate you for your little hack. You have just given these people another excuse to treat all people as suspect for the grievous act of having a common everyday item that damned near everybody owns nowadays, as if they weren't already working overtime to do that on their own anyway. Thanks, Deeves. Just... thanks. 🙄
I cutaway mine to teach....