Hmmm. I might think about investing in one as I hate buying the cans all the time too. And sometimes I SWEAR I use it once then 6 months later when comp is ready for a new clean it's like the can is empty. grrr
@@KellicTiger just be careful with those air compressors as they can accumulate moisture. The electric blowers are designed to not accumulate moisture. So just make sure you have a way to drain liquid/ keep moisture out of the air outlet on the compressor. It most likely is fine, but thats the reason they aren’t used specifically for electronics. They aren’t ESD or moisture safe.
Never use a vacuum, you want a blower. Vacuums cause static electricity and can damage electronics. I got a datavac, ironically named given my warning but it's a blower. Actually I technically got two because someone told my in-laws and my parents to buy me one for Christmas one year so I got two. Worth it. They are amazing for cleaning electronics and they have tons of attachments for making it easy for different types of applications. Little straw thing with a brush on it for getting between fins on an air cooler is my favorite one.
Little sidenote, and genuine question: isn't the consensus that you should hold the fan in place when blowing it just in case you end up spinning it faster than recommended, which could lead to premature failures?
@@comsubpac No, they can't. This is a common misconception. The motors used in PC fans do not generate a permanent magnetic field. Doesn't matter how fast you spin them, they can't generate an electric current without induction. So as long as they're powered off, this is a non-issue. The issue is overspinning the bearing and killing it prematurely.
Personally, I would hold the fan lightly while you blow air through the blades and use a brush to get rid of the "caked" on dust. I have had some experiences that I held the hub too tightly and caused premature failure. The same thing with holding the fan blades, you may induce a warp and unbalance them; hence premature failures as well. And the others that replied about overspin are correct as well.
I like maintenance videos, they show a lot of tips, how-to's and general knowledge to keep the pc in good condition, and they are actually fun to watch. Keep up the good content.
No no hold Ur fans and u can use air compressor but yeah don't let's 10000 rpm to turn Ur graphics fan Same for case fan and tower cooler fan Inc water coolers fans Just one or two of u hold all fans and PSU just have some tight plastic in there to hold it and blow air as much as u can ...I do this 25 years now and never single issue ....some cable get out but who care after maintenance u have to secure and Chech all Pc cables
I would say the power supply is the dirtiest because people are afraid of opening them to clean. This is from my experience of cleaning retro pc's, thanks for showing the teardown of the gpu
In all honesty the general public has no business digging around in a PSU even just to clean it. For the most part blowing it out should be good enough for most if they do it on a regular basis. Then again most people don’t dust their PC on a regular basis.
@@user-op8fg3ny3j The only thing I worry about is the cooling fins... and I keep a watch on thermals. To my mind - this is like thermal paste. Everyone thinks you either have too much or too little or put it on wrong... when evidence proves it usually makes no difference at all. I've had PCs that I never opened the box for years... and when I finally did, I had a sneezing fit for hours. Never noticed it in performance.
@@KenOtwell I'm the same. No open-air rig but it's a pretty big tower (Enthoo Pro) so lots of places for dust to hide. I focus mainly on the fan blades & fins and don't sweat if there's a tiny bit sticking to the interior of the case. Never had a problem. Honestly more important for reducing the sheer quantity of dust that accumulates in your PC is just getting it high up off the floor - preferably on a desk. I know some people love to have them hidden away from sight but even being near the floor especially carpet w/ pets will drastically increase the dust intake.
i did that once, but eventually you will have to replace the thermal pads and paste, sucks when you have a card and there's very little info on the type of thermal pad sizes ur card uses...
Jay, what electric screwdrivers do you use? Like the one in this video and also the skinnier silver one you have? They look great and I would love to know what they are, especially the silver one. Thanks
You should hold down your fan with your finger when blowing it with compressed air, the sudden RPM may kill the fans 😉 Keep up the videos, they're amazing 😀
The un-even air pressure can also cause cheaper or aging fans to break some and/or go out of balance. At least, I've seen that a few times... Though the voltage the fan generates might also be a danger in some cases. It is mostly an issue with the cheaper fans but, yeah gpu fans are spendy usually to replace. Specially on a $1000+ gpu, dont want to be screwing around.
Embedded engineer here, never blow your fans unless disconnected. They are not designed to be spinned that fast manually. If there isn't enough protection circuit inside, they could fry your thing with the voltage generated as a result of spinning. 😊
Please hold the fan when you blow it! That air moves it too fast and can wear out the sleeve or bearings. I always put a finger on a fan when I'm blowing it, as much fun as hearing them go zoom can be it ain't good for them. Meant constructively, thanks for all the knowledge over the years in your videos!
@@Mr1Tanker There weren't all the comments when I made mine, and yeah I figure he shares knowledge with me so I should probably mention some things he doesn't seem to know about.
Hi Jay. I changed all my thermal pads out for CS Labs K5 PRO viscous thermal paste in my RTX 3090 Aorus Master. The Thermals i get now are amazing. It is well worth it. By the way dont worry if you use a lot for the different thicknesses. For £23 it was a great deal GPU-Z results GPU Temp 47.9 Hot spot 63.8 Memory Temp 74 and pushing 358 watt. Running Heaven Bench. Great Video
Watching you spin up the fan with the duster was painful. You can cause damage to the fan or board fan header by doing that, best practice is to hold the fan down
Would love to see a report on your GPU temps with the re applied kingpin goo. I know you’ve done that other times but since this is your personal streaming rig I think it’d be fun.
This reminds me. I need to clean up my rig as well. It's been a while since i did it. I don't feel comfortable opening my RX 6700XT up but surely will blow the dust out that comes out
I done the same thing, but didn't blow directly into the fans. I just aimed the air across the heatsink and card, so that I wasn't just blowing the dust deeper into the PCB.
@ 1:53…Isn’t is a bad idea to have the fans free-spin like that while air dusting them? I thought holding them down so the fans don’t spin, is suggested to avoid any static build up or other damage to the fans/part?
It's fun going on this descent into madness along the ride as you do the maintenance on systems! Speaking of which... I need to clean the computers at my house soon... thanks for the reminder!
I think it might be if the fan is actually on, but with brushless fans I don’t really see how this is possible other than over-spinning the hell out of the bearings. Tbh I really have no idea if it’s even possible to damage a fan with air like that
As he said, the rpm reporting may become inaccurate. As for the bearings themselves, it depends on the bearing type; the higher rpm from blowing will create different amounts of friction for each style of bearing. Mag lev fans are less prone to having the actual bearings damaged from higher than designed rpm speeds since the bearings are essentially floating.
Jay, I applaud you for finally admitting that pre-spreading the thermal paste is the way to go. I've seen so many TH-cam channels argue about the best way to apply thermal paste, but the one thing they all have in common is at some point they have a spread failure. I started building PCs over 25 years ago, and back then everyone pre-spread the thermal paste. It's really the only way to know for sure that you have complete coverage.
This is why I love my Caselabs Mercury S8 where the motherboard sits flat horizontally. No worry about sag and the upright GPU with a waterblock is front and centre on proud display
NEVER spin up your fans like that with a blower. The fan will turn into a generator and send voltage back into the PCB, by overspinning the fan you can go way higher than the board can handle and kill the GPU.
@@vincentviguier3223 Facts! I was just SMH. What a screw up. Thats also bad for your fan and can break fan blades. Ive done it way in the past.. Like way in the past and never will i blow on the fan again
I'm happy for you that you got these companies sending you their cards to test them, review them, deep clean them etc. But damn, I'd kill for a 2070 (super) or whatever man. I've been noticing my 1070 can't keep up anymore with editing and rendering stuff. Then again, I've never tried a custom bios, overclocking or anything because if it breaks, I have no backup X). Always glad to see your content!
DON'T spray directly in/on the fans you can make them go faster than they are suppose to i've ruined several fans like this as the center cover got ripped off the bearing. Best thing to do is to hold the fan while you spray.
A spinning fan turns into a generator sending current back to the board if still connected. Try ceramic coating on fan blades, hard tedious job but so much easier to clean next time.
Thanks for showing the teardown of a 3090 FE cooler. It's a good reminder why I'm leaving mine on a water block and have turned the cooler into wall art.
Spinning fans generate electricity and can damage components even when a system is powered off or unplugged, especially when spinning them at such a high rpm. This brings back a memory of a co-worker in the early 2000's who brought his newish high end laptop to work and was using our shop air compressor to blow through the ventilation openings. He was so giddy as he could hear the fans inside spinning at incredible speeds. This was probably an 80 gallon compressor that we used for pneumatic tools or to dust off our products hanging on the walls around the shop and I'm guessing it was pushing about 150psi. After he was done having fun with our air blower he tried to power the laptop on to show off how fast it was but he had fried it and it wouldn't even post at all. He sent it back to the manufacturer under warranty and they knew right away what he had done.
LOL. I was wondering what was going to happen when Jay got to fan 2 as getting that out is a massive pain in the ass vs the first fan. :D Guess they decided to skip that as the teardown would have been a pain in the butt. (Which is fine.) Nvidia did such a good job on the design of on getting that first fan out then dropped the ball on fan 2. The ribbon cable is actually taped down requiring the entire shroud to be removed.
There is nothing wrong with that. The vast majority of the heat is expelled from the rear of the GPU, Even under heavy load the fan pointing towards the motherboard doesn't dump too much heat into the system and as long as you have good flow through from front to back its fine. Which Jay does with the front mounted rad and fans.
If you have a 3090 FE you know you can't put this card vertically, when you do it, the fan taking the heat out of the card is pointing to the back of the card and directly to the motherboard, the air is NOT circulating. If you are going to put it vertically, do it with the card backward (GEFORCE RTX sign pointing down). So, the fan that takes the air out is pointing OUT of the computer. Another thing, if you get a fan mount to add 2 90mm fans to the back of the 3090 FE, you can lower the memory temp by almost 10d. Mine is almost all the time 78d, mining at 114MH and using the computer.
You left out the most important parts, application of What brand of thermal paste and pads, and the effects it improved on cooling. You did get the parts we could damage though, so good on that.
6:02 And that is why i tell people to use the spread method, especially on bare dies because it works the first time every time. No need to hope you get good spread.
You never need to hope you get good spread. You just need to use the proper amount of thermal paste (don't listen to nonsense about "a single grain of rice"). If you don't get "good spread" then that means you had bad mounting pressure and would have had garbage cooling performance even if you had spread it yourself first.
Once I disassembled my old Rx580 to clean and repaste it. I did it carefully but without too much stress and in the end it worked well and thermals had a big improvement. Nowadays, the mere thought of removing even a single screw from my 2070 Super, fills me with terror and concern that something might break and I have to find a new GPU.
I have an RX 570 and it was quite stressful repasting it because it was during the GPU shortages and I didn't want to break something. Worked fine in the end, issue I had turned out to be my fan curve not being remotely aggressive enough. Set in software and everything is good now.
Absolutely zero. The motors in PC fans do not generate a permanent magnetic field. They require induction to generate a magnetic field. So, as long as they're not power on, they can't produce voltage. The bigger dnager is over spinning the bearing and wearing it out prematurly.
I am fairly confident in my skills to take apart, clean, and put my GPU back together, but given the cost of a new one (plus warranty concerns) I don't think I'll risk it. Not like I have a million GPUs just lying around lol.
It's par for the course if you want to do any water cooling and don't buy an AIB card that has a block already attached. I had to tear apart an FE 3080 Ti to put a block on it, and honestly... it wasn't that bad at all. I will say that the silly little screw covers are probably the worst part of all. I did manage to get 3 out of 4 out without any signs of physical marring, but one of them has a little jab mark or two. Once I got those off, it was pretty simple to get the rest off, and when you've got it off, just do your best to put things back where they belong and put it back in the box. I just used some basic tape to hold those screw covers in place, but not tight enough that I can't remove them again. Now, the worst part of that experience? Sizing, cutting, and peeling the billions of thermal pads. I've always found it frustrating how thermal pads are so easy to peel on one side, but the other side is just awful to try and peel. It might be a slight exaggeration, but it seemed like I probably spent at least an hour of my time peeling all of the thermal pads for the front and back. It probably would've been even worse if I had a 3090 with the additional VRAM modules! (I kind of wish I did choose one in line at Best Buy given the 3080 Ti did not work with my 10% off birthday coupon but the 3090 would have; it would've dropped the difference to $150!)
Jay, that thermal paste spread is exactly why I keep a pile of those thermal paste spreaders in my thermal paste bin inside my water cooling parts sorter. I literally had a card start to fail in folding@home constantly because of a small corner of the die which didn't have paste on it, after i picked it up off an online store that had repasted the card (no doubt after it spent a chunk of it's life mining back when you could on a 3gb 1060). Glad to see you used one this time, it'd make me sad if you killed your 3090 for real due to something like that xD
I remember when you did the nocuta 3070. I don't remember the stock temps, but I do remember you put 2x high amp delta fans and it just barely hit 42 degrees. Meanwhile I have a dual 360MM radiator setup for my Ryzen 5900x and 3070. The 3070 has never gone above 42 degrees. And it's filthy right now. lol so yes water cooling is worth it.
Just hose it off outside dry it off with a hair dryer make sure its all the way dry pop it back in the pc and send it i been doing it for years no issues
Heard that on the little effort that’s why I just wanna stream and say screw videos editing takes too long, it’s about like taking a laptop apart and putting it back together
jay that part was cooled, see the thermal paste squished out of the edges. Its just that it was so thin and close the the heatsink that when you open it up it creates a suction and drags the paste towards the middle
I’ve cleaned mine 2xs in the past 3/4months. It’s as close as I can get to building again without having to buy all new parts lol. I do have an extra 3080 I want to try and WC tho. Will be my first WC PC and my 2nd overall. Who would of ever thought pc building could be so addicting lol😬😬😬
That might not be your fault. The die's pump-out effect could of done that. Look at the whole periphery of the die, all that squeeze suggests the initial application was good.
Given the paste you had, you need to revisit the noise for the graphics card. If you can get the same temps at a much lower speed, you don't need water cooling. Another video please!
I’ll be honest I don’t know jack about PCs. I’m about to buy a pre built but man this stuff looks so cool. Reminds me of breaking down and fixing up shitbox cars to see if we can get it to turn over. Just way way way more expensive haha y’all stay safe man!
Have to agree on WC card over a AC card, expensive, but the only way to go if you want a silent gaming system. My current FE card is the fist one I have ever owned, even with Nvidia’s new cooler it’s really loud as compared to my previous AIB card. It’s running an aggressive fan curve, and does keep the temps low, but the noise really has put me off thinking about another FE card in the future.
Never spin a fan with air silly. That degrades the life of a gpu fan from coil feedback to the winding. You can use qd cleaner. Im fact you can clean everything with qd cleaner including getting all thermal paste off with no wiping and even extracting the oil spots that seep thru the circuit board. Ive used it on over 50 cards and repasted with thermal grizzly. On pads i never replaced them just pasted again on the open side and stick it all back together with 0 issues and great results thermally It even fixed artifacts due.to.bleed thru. May be stopping cross voltage between two circuits. I would use qd on a brand new board as prep for serious over clocking. You may find yourself on the list
i feel like horizontal mounted founders cards pull in more dust and debris anyways, just because of gravity, and things falling into the pass through fan
Oh Jay, not you too, put in a wooden stick or plastic stick to force the blades to dead stop while blowing them, you are busting up the bearings, or fan blade might come loose and break off. :O
Oh man, I got one of those electric blowers. It was pricey but I love not having to buy compressed air cans to clean my dusty electronics.
Hmmm. I might think about investing in one as I hate buying the cans all the time too. And sometimes I SWEAR I use it once then 6 months later when comp is ready for a new clean it's like the can is empty. grrr
I just purchased a 5lb compressor. It does double duty around the house for other things.
@@KellicTiger just be careful with those air compressors as they can accumulate moisture. The electric blowers are designed to not accumulate moisture. So just make sure you have a way to drain liquid/ keep moisture out of the air outlet on the compressor. It most likely is fine, but thats the reason they aren’t used specifically for electronics. They aren’t ESD or moisture safe.
It was pricey, but you're saving money in the long run by not having to buy compressed air cans anymore. I have one too, they're excellent.
Never use a vacuum, you want a blower. Vacuums cause static electricity and can damage electronics.
I got a datavac, ironically named given my warning but it's a blower. Actually I technically got two because someone told my in-laws and my parents to buy me one for Christmas one year so I got two. Worth it. They are amazing for cleaning electronics and they have tons of attachments for making it easy for different types of applications. Little straw thing with a brush on it for getting between fins on an air cooler is my favorite one.
Little sidenote, and genuine question: isn't the consensus that you should hold the fan in place when blowing it just in case you end up spinning it faster than recommended, which could lead to premature failures?
It doesn't matter how fast it spins. Never move your fans by hand or otherwise because they would work like generators and produce a current.
Yes 100%, never do what he did lol
Yes, you can overspin the bearing and cause it to prematurely fail.
@@comsubpac No, they can't. This is a common misconception. The motors used in PC fans do not generate a permanent magnetic field. Doesn't matter how fast you spin them, they can't generate an electric current without induction. So as long as they're powered off, this is a non-issue. The issue is overspinning the bearing and killing it prematurely.
Personally, I would hold the fan lightly while you blow air through the blades and use a brush to get rid of the "caked" on dust. I have had some experiences that I held the hub too tightly and caused premature failure. The same thing with holding the fan blades, you may induce a warp and unbalance them; hence premature failures as well. And the others that replied about overspin are correct as well.
I like maintenance videos, they show a lot of tips, how-to's and general knowledge to keep the pc in good condition, and they are actually fun to watch.
Keep up the good content.
No no hold Ur fans and u can use air compressor but yeah don't let's 10000 rpm to turn Ur graphics fan Same for case fan and tower cooler fan Inc water coolers fans Just one or two of u hold all fans and PSU just have some tight plastic in there to hold it and blow air as much as u can ...I do this 25 years now and never single issue ....some cable get out but who care after maintenance u have to secure and Chech all Pc cables
Hey Jay, you should have shown the reapplication of thermal paste and reassembly process too.
I would say the power supply is the dirtiest because people are afraid of opening them to clean. This is from my experience of cleaning retro pc's, thanks for showing the teardown of the gpu
In all honesty the general public has no business digging around in a PSU even just to clean it. For the most part blowing it out should be good enough for most if they do it on a regular basis. Then again most people don’t dust their PC on a regular basis.
GPU deep cleaning is so underrated
The high-RPM blower is as far as I get when cleaning my open-air PC. That and wiping down the glass base and top cover. 98% is good enough for me!
@@user-op8fg3ny3j The only thing I worry about is the cooling fins... and I keep a watch on thermals. To my mind - this is like thermal paste. Everyone thinks you either have too much or too little or put it on wrong... when evidence proves it usually makes no difference at all. I've had PCs that I never opened the box for years... and when I finally did, I had a sneezing fit for hours. Never noticed it in performance.
@@KenOtwell
I'm the same. No open-air rig but it's a pretty big tower (Enthoo Pro) so lots of places for dust to hide. I focus mainly on the fan blades & fins and don't sweat if there's a tiny bit sticking to the interior of the case. Never had a problem.
Honestly more important for reducing the sheer quantity of dust that accumulates in your PC is just getting it high up off the floor - preferably on a desk. I know some people love to have them hidden away from sight but even being near the floor especially carpet w/ pets will drastically increase the dust intake.
Canned air and a vacuum does the trick for me. Never had a problem in the past 15 years. That being said I do clean every 3-6 months
I clean my system often, but I'd be way too nervous to teardown my GPU in the event I messed it up. I'd never forgive myself lol
i did that once, but eventually you will have to replace the thermal pads and paste, sucks when you have a card and there's very little info on the type of thermal pad sizes ur card uses...
Jay, what electric screwdrivers do you use? Like the one in this video and also the skinnier silver one you have? They look great and I would love to know what they are, especially the silver one. Thanks
I absolutely love it when Phil starts laughing in the background. Huge fan of Phil and also Jay of course :D
You should hold down your fan with your finger when blowing it with compressed air, the sudden RPM may kill the fans 😉
Keep up the videos, they're amazing 😀
The un-even air pressure can also cause cheaper or aging fans to break some and/or go out of balance. At least, I've seen that a few times...
Though the voltage the fan generates might also be a danger in some cases.
It is mostly an issue with the cheaper fans but, yeah gpu fans are spendy usually to replace. Specially on a $1000+ gpu, dont want to be screwing around.
I do this, or pulsate on fans I can't hold in place. Sometimes a little screwdriver or paper clip in psu fans helps
@@jizawiz idk about putting anything metal in a psu. However, I usually use a finger for case fans and out of reach a screwdriver or plastic pen.
@@VanillaWahlberg I agree. I thought about mentioning that and/disconnecting power, then i was like nah, they'll figure it out
That dirty fan looked pretty clean to me
Don’t you want to hold the fan with one finger so it doesn’t spin faster that it’s supposed to when blowing with duster?
Yea jays out of touch and doesn’t realize what it like to buy a card like that, why do you think it’s FE edition… cause Nvida sent him that
yes. absolutely. always.
1:56 If I did this on the job back in 2005. They would've kicked my ass
I think it's a good idea to never let the PCI-E slot bear the weight of a heavy GPU - I don't let go until I've got a bracket screw in place.
Or keep the mobo horizontal.
Thanks for demonstrating that doing this really isn't worth the potential damage that can be caused.
Embedded engineer here, never blow your fans unless disconnected. They are not designed to be spinned that fast manually. If there isn't enough protection circuit inside, they could fry your thing with the voltage generated as a result of spinning. 😊
I hear you JAY!!! Thanks for answering the riser cable question. Keep up the awesome videos guys!!
My God that card is beautiful, FE cards are so nice looking.
Free Tip when tearing apart GPU'S..heat up processor retaining bracket area with hairdryer it will soften the thermal paste eliminates sticking
Please hold the fan when you blow it! That air moves it too fast and can wear out the sleeve or bearings.
I always put a finger on a fan when I'm blowing it, as much fun as hearing them go zoom can be it ain't good for them.
Meant constructively, thanks for all the knowledge over the years in your videos!
You're thanking him for "all the knowledge over the years", but don't think he's aware of the OCD commenters regarding spinning fans up?
@@Mr1Tanker There weren't all the comments when I made mine, and yeah I figure he shares knowledge with me so I should probably mention some things he doesn't seem to know about.
Hi Jay. I changed all my thermal pads out for CS Labs K5 PRO viscous thermal paste in my RTX 3090 Aorus Master. The Thermals i get now are amazing. It is well worth it. By the way dont worry if you use a lot for the different thicknesses. For £23 it was a great deal GPU-Z results GPU Temp 47.9 Hot spot 63.8 Memory Temp 74 and pushing 358 watt. Running Heaven Bench. Great Video
Watching you spin up the fan with the duster was painful. You can cause damage to the fan or board fan header by doing that, best practice is to hold the fan down
I never cringed so hard in my life
Would love to see a report on your GPU temps with the re applied kingpin goo. I know you’ve done that other times but since this is your personal streaming rig I think it’d be fun.
This reminds me. I need to clean up my rig as well. It's been a while since i did it. I don't feel comfortable opening my RX 6700XT up but surely will blow the dust out that comes out
I done the same thing, but didn't blow directly into the fans. I just aimed the air across the heatsink and card, so that I wasn't just blowing the dust deeper into the PCB.
@ 1:53…Isn’t is a bad idea to have the fans free-spin like that while air dusting them? I thought holding them down so the fans don’t spin, is suggested to avoid any static build up or other damage to the fans/part?
correct
Take really good care of your GPU!! God knows how long it will take to receive replacement or buy a new one at a reasonable price.
It's fun going on this descent into madness along the ride as you do the maintenance on systems! Speaking of which... I need to clean the computers at my house soon... thanks for the reminder!
Phil's laugh is up there with the likes of Rich Evans. I can't help but smile when I hear him busting up behind the camera.
Love the videos jay, I am going to do my first hard line PC build in May because of all the helpful videos you post. Keep up the good work
Can't you damage the fans of the card by blowing so aggressively on them? I've always held fans in place when using a duster like that.
Same.
I think it might be if the fan is actually on, but with brushless fans I don’t really see how this is possible other than over-spinning the hell out of the bearings. Tbh I really have no idea if it’s even possible to damage a fan with air like that
@@andrewsantora7943 Yeah, that's the type of damage I mean. It can overspin the bearings and potentially lead to some damage.
As he said, the rpm reporting may become inaccurate. As for the bearings themselves, it depends on the bearing type; the higher rpm from blowing will create different amounts of friction for each style of bearing. Mag lev fans are less prone to having the actual bearings damaged from higher than designed rpm speeds since the bearings are essentially floating.
Jay, I applaud you for finally admitting that pre-spreading the thermal paste is the way to go. I've seen so many TH-cam channels argue about the best way to apply thermal paste, but the one thing they all have in common is at some point they have a spread failure. I started building PCs over 25 years ago, and back then everyone pre-spread the thermal paste. It's really the only way to know for sure that you have complete coverage.
Yup, agreed. The x's vs the dot vs the line is all sort of silly, spread it in advance and make sure it covers it.
This is why I love my Caselabs Mercury S8 where the motherboard sits flat horizontally. No worry about sag and the upright GPU with a waterblock is front and centre on proud display
I would be too scared to do this.
remember kids, hold your fan when you blow it.
NEVER spin up your fans like that with a blower. The fan will turn into a generator and send voltage back into the PCB, by overspinning the fan you can go way higher than the board can handle and kill the GPU.
Thanks, so hard to watch
What so you expect. He isn't as knowledgeable as Paul, gamersnexus, linus etc
@@vincentviguier3223 Facts! I was just SMH. What a screw up. Thats also bad for your fan and can break fan blades. Ive done it way in the past.. Like way in the past and never will i blow on the fan again
takes jay 2 years to teardown a 3080.....
Morning from beautiful cold Alaska Phil, Jay, and Nick!
I'm taking apart for an ek block and active backplate so I really appreciate this
I'm happy for you that you got these companies sending you their cards to test them, review them, deep clean them etc. But damn, I'd kill for a 2070 (super) or whatever man. I've been noticing my 1070 can't keep up anymore with editing and rendering stuff.
Then again, I've never tried a custom bios, overclocking or anything because if it breaks, I have no backup X).
Always glad to see your content!
DON'T spray directly in/on the fans you can make them go faster than they are suppose to i've ruined several fans like this as the center cover got ripped off the bearing. Best thing to do is to hold the fan while you spray.
Just put a screen there like you did before it will fill the space plus it will give you useful information
A spinning fan turns into a generator sending current back to the board if still connected.
Try ceramic coating on fan blades, hard tedious job but so much easier to clean next time.
incredibly valuable card, 99 cent Harbor Freight picks, love it
Thanks for showing the teardown of a 3090 FE cooler. It's a good reminder why I'm leaving mine on a water block and have turned the cooler into wall art.
Spinning fans generate electricity and can damage components even when a system is powered off or unplugged, especially when spinning them at such a high rpm. This brings back a memory of a co-worker in the early 2000's who brought his newish high end laptop to work and was using our shop air compressor to blow through the ventilation openings. He was so giddy as he could hear the fans inside spinning at incredible speeds. This was probably an 80 gallon compressor that we used for pneumatic tools or to dust off our products hanging on the walls around the shop and I'm guessing it was pushing about 150psi. After he was done having fun with our air blower he tried to power the laptop on to show off how fast it was but he had fried it and it wouldn't even post at all. He sent it back to the manufacturer under warranty and they knew right away what he had done.
LOL. I was wondering what was going to happen when Jay got to fan 2 as getting that out is a massive pain in the ass vs the first fan. :D Guess they decided to skip that as the teardown would have been a pain in the butt. (Which is fine.) Nvidia did such a good job on the design of on getting that first fan out then dropped the ball on fan 2. The ribbon cable is actually taped down requiring the entire shroud to be removed.
Jay: Why leave any performance on the table?
Also Jay: we’re gonna use a vertical mount and riser cable with this 3090
vertical mount & razer cable dont affect performance
@@rishatrizatdinov3269 Oh really? I’ve tested it myself with my own 3090 and a vertical mount decreases performance along with increasing temps!
@@rishatrizatdinov3269 probably not. Though The extra length of the riser cable might add a minuscule delay.
There is nothing wrong with that. The vast majority of the heat is expelled from the rear of the GPU, Even under heavy load the fan pointing towards the motherboard doesn't dump too much heat into the system and as long as you have good flow through from front to back its fine. Which Jay does with the front mounted rad and fans.
@@Dirty_Bear22 I’m a benchmarker and saw a big difference in benchmark scores when vertically mounted along with way higher temps!
all I know is there's someone who's going to try this after seeing this video and end up breaking their GPU lol
I’m so glad you went vertical again…. Your thoughts were the same as mine though…. Another 3090 would be pretty 🤩
If you have a 3090 FE you know you can't put this card vertically, when you do it, the fan taking the heat out of the card is pointing to the back of the card and directly to the motherboard, the air is NOT circulating. If you are going to put it vertically, do it with the card backward (GEFORCE RTX sign pointing down). So, the fan that takes the air out is pointing OUT of the computer. Another thing, if you get a fan mount to add 2 90mm fans to the back of the 3090 FE, you can lower the memory temp by almost 10d. Mine is almost all the time 78d, mining at 114MH and using the computer.
You left out the most important parts, application of What brand of thermal paste and pads, and the effects it improved on cooling. You did get the parts we could damage though, so good on that.
Filters man! Thanks for something practical; not very specific for working on my 1070 but there's usually something.
6:02 And that is why i tell people to use the spread method, especially on bare dies because it works the first time every time.
No need to hope you get good spread.
You never need to hope you get good spread. You just need to use the proper amount of thermal paste (don't listen to nonsense about "a single grain of rice"). If you don't get "good spread" then that means you had bad mounting pressure and would have had garbage cooling performance even if you had spread it yourself first.
@@mjc0961 nope nope no need to even worry about it .
SPREAD WORKS THE FIRST TIME EVERY TIME
I got an EK-3090 card, so much better, leaner, and meaner than the air-blown thing. Thanks for the vid, Jay, appreciated as always! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 🍻
In the beginning I saw absolutely no difference between before and after he blew off dirt
Jay drill and tap new holes for the stand off width you need, then you can use your gen 4 riser cable.
The GPU needs a thicker TIM. Thermaltake TFX with X+4 application. The die is convex.
Once I disassembled my old Rx580 to clean and repaste it. I did it carefully but without too much stress and in the end it worked well and thermals had a big improvement.
Nowadays, the mere thought of removing even a single screw from my 2070 Super, fills me with terror and concern that something might break and I have to find a new GPU.
I have an RX 570 and it was quite stressful repasting it because it was during the GPU shortages and I didn't want to break something. Worked fine in the end, issue I had turned out to be my fan curve not being remotely aggressive enough. Set in software and everything is good now.
Disassembled my Gigabyte 2070 Super, wasn't too bad. Re-pasted using Arctic MX4 since its what I had on hand.
Thank you for the video Jay, it was as awesome as always.
Man hugs from a same age, fellow silver fox-looking guy... Them ladies love it
What I would like to know... How many volts did that fan push back to the board when you gave it the 10,000 RPM cleaning? :P
Absolutely zero. The motors in PC fans do not generate a permanent magnetic field. They require induction to generate a magnetic field. So, as long as they're not power on, they can't produce voltage. The bigger dnager is over spinning the bearing and wearing it out prematurly.
I am fairly confident in my skills to take apart, clean, and put my GPU back together, but given the cost of a new one (plus warranty concerns) I don't think I'll risk it. Not like I have a million GPUs just lying around lol.
It's par for the course if you want to do any water cooling and don't buy an AIB card that has a block already attached. I had to tear apart an FE 3080 Ti to put a block on it, and honestly... it wasn't that bad at all. I will say that the silly little screw covers are probably the worst part of all. I did manage to get 3 out of 4 out without any signs of physical marring, but one of them has a little jab mark or two. Once I got those off, it was pretty simple to get the rest off, and when you've got it off, just do your best to put things back where they belong and put it back in the box. I just used some basic tape to hold those screw covers in place, but not tight enough that I can't remove them again.
Now, the worst part of that experience? Sizing, cutting, and peeling the billions of thermal pads. I've always found it frustrating how thermal pads are so easy to peel on one side, but the other side is just awful to try and peel. It might be a slight exaggeration, but it seemed like I probably spent at least an hour of my time peeling all of the thermal pads for the front and back. It probably would've been even worse if I had a 3090 with the additional VRAM modules! (I kind of wish I did choose one in line at Best Buy given the 3080 Ti did not work with my 10% off birthday coupon but the 3090 would have; it would've dropped the difference to $150!)
@@shinaikouka my computer is also integral to my job and I refuse to risk an expensive component I can't replace, even if that risk is tiny
Jay, that thermal paste spread is exactly why I keep a pile of those thermal paste spreaders in my thermal paste bin inside my water cooling parts sorter. I literally had a card start to fail in folding@home constantly because of a small corner of the die which didn't have paste on it, after i picked it up off an online store that had repasted the card (no doubt after it spent a chunk of it's life mining back when you could on a 3gb 1060). Glad to see you used one this time, it'd make me sad if you killed your 3090 for real due to something like that xD
I remember when you did the nocuta 3070. I don't remember the stock temps, but I do remember you put 2x high amp delta fans and it just barely hit 42 degrees. Meanwhile I have a dual 360MM radiator setup for my Ryzen 5900x and 3070. The 3070 has never gone above 42 degrees. And it's filthy right now. lol so yes water cooling is worth it.
Fan should be manually blocked while blowing, the bearing could die cause higher rpm if you don't
I wish you can get a really custom GPU cable so you can mount the GPU front and center on your desk and throw the case in the closet.
Just hose it off outside dry it off with a hair dryer make sure its all the way dry pop it back in the pc and send it i been doing it for years no issues
2:14, I can hear those fan bearings screaming for help. Not advisable to do, you will damage those fan bearings.
Heard that on the little effort that’s why I just wanna stream and say screw videos editing takes too long, it’s about like taking a laptop apart and putting it back together
"As much little effort as possible" is my new mantra.
If you haven’t already, plz look into the upcoming Eluktronics laptop with the optional water cooling setup. Great vid, too.
jay that part was cooled, see the thermal paste squished out of the edges. Its just that it was so thin and close the the heatsink that when you open it up it creates a suction and drags the paste towards the middle
@+❶❸⓿❹❹❼❺❾❷⓿❺WhatsApp sure bot 😂
9:00 I'm so happy you guys left that in there. 🤣
I’ve cleaned mine 2xs in the past 3/4months. It’s as close as I can get to building again without having to buy all new parts lol. I do have an extra 3080 I want to try and WC tho. Will be my first WC PC and my 2nd overall. Who would of ever thought pc building could be so addicting lol😬😬😬
That might not be your fault. The die's pump-out effect could of done that. Look at the whole periphery of the die, all that squeeze suggests the initial application was good.
Given the paste you had, you need to revisit the noise for the graphics card. If you can get the same temps at a much lower speed, you don't need water cooling. Another video please!
This video just reminded me, I have an MSI RX 580 GAMING 8GB that needs to be cleaned...I haven't since I got it in 2017...
I thought this was a ASMR for a second and got excited
I have one of they Compu Cleaners too. Amazing things for cleaning the PC with.
9:01, gotta love it
I’ll be honest I don’t know jack about PCs. I’m about to buy a pre built but man this stuff looks so cool. Reminds me of breaking down and fixing up shitbox cars to see if we can get it to turn over. Just way way way more expensive haha y’all stay safe man!
Have to agree on WC card over a AC card, expensive, but the only way to go if you want a silent gaming system.
My current FE card is the fist one I have ever owned, even with Nvidia’s new cooler it’s really loud as compared to my previous AIB card.
It’s running an aggressive fan curve, and does keep the temps low, but the noise really has put me off thinking about another FE card in the future.
Never spin a fan with air silly. That degrades the life of a gpu fan from coil feedback to the winding. You can use qd cleaner. Im fact you can clean everything with qd cleaner including getting all thermal paste off with no wiping and even extracting the oil spots that seep thru the circuit board. Ive used it on over 50 cards and repasted with thermal grizzly. On pads i never replaced them just pasted again on the open side and stick it all back together with 0 issues and great results thermally
It even fixed artifacts due.to.bleed thru. May be stopping cross voltage between two circuits. I would use qd on a brand new board as prep for serious over clocking. You may find yourself on the list
Thanks Jay, I had to do this to my 3090 FE also not too long back before I put a water block on it, I wish I'd had this video back then lol
Those gpu deep clean my pockets..
I use a leaf blower to clean my PC twice a year. 😁 Works well too.
- Jay cleans perfectly clean GPU
- Me, looking at my GPU covered in crumbs and fur from resting my feet on my top exhaust
Amazing video keep up the lovely work
Nice video! But is it realy worth running the pc whitoute filters? 🤔
If I had a functional 3090 I would be as eager to do what Jay did here as I would be doing brain surgery on my kids...
Yeah. No way I'm touching my 3090 Suprim X. Sure. If I had a channel and experience with it, sure. But no. No way.
What is that screwdriver you use?
If there's room, I would make a flow scoop similar the old Dell's had so it's not making an abrupt turn anymore.
Yup, killing the fan... way to go.
i feel like horizontal mounted founders cards pull in more dust and debris anyways, just because of gravity, and things falling into the pass through fan
Oh Jay, not you too, put in a wooden stick or plastic stick to force the blades to dead stop while blowing them, you are busting up the bearings, or fan blade might come loose and break off. :O
The AIB cards are much easier to work with, I have to say. But those fan cables are much easier to work with, if less robust.
Damn you guys always make great videos. Doesn´t matter what you put out it´s always a blast watching!
Gaming mats super out of stock and have been last few videos you've mentioned them haha. I will get my hands on it one of these times!