I also relate to restoring wooden boat in a way similar to our doings . So far , I've done seven lapstrake hulls of canadian built , mainly Cliffe Craft from early 1960 . With no inside workshop , I have delt all the last 30 years , with makeshift car shelters and others I've built . Being in Québec , that gives an open time frame of about 7 months to works with relative comfort and It leaves time for other things in life . My last project , an 18 foot outbord has stretched into a 7 year span . And that will be the last one at 71 yo , roaming the St-Laurence River and Islands will now be my messing about . Born in Montréal and now based 17 km from shore , in Joliette , an easy trailerable distance . I here salute your tenacity and understanding in your wooden project . Love all your episodes . Congrats for your newborn son , a blessing ! By trade , I'm a musician in the folkies realm . Could submit music to you , if suited . Your piping doesn't make me deaf ! Cheers .
Hi Marc, thank you for the lovely comment and sorry for the late reply! it must have been hidden by a filter or something. What a wealth of experience you must have gained and in such a beautiful bit of the world. Enjoy your sailing and music! a very kind offer for re music! i am hoping to begin posting videos again shortly as time is beginning to favour the boat restoration again! i may give you a shout in the nearish future. Thank you very kindly! Nick
Wow what a ambitious project. She is a old beauty, she surely has a soul. Just look at the work put in to her when she was made. The original builders were real craftsman of a by-gone era. She is excellent content for a TH-cam series, I wish you much success, on this most worthy project.
Thank you Darol, that is very kind of you. She is / was an utterly beautiful little boat in her day. And i am still here plodding away with her. All be it slowly. Im planning to begin releasing content again in the next few months. 👌🏻 thank you for watching 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
Lovely to see she is getting a second chance instead of rotting her last years away. Well done, not a project for the light hearted but you have a history with her and a future now !!
Definitely a lot work ahead of you, but that intro had me thinking about is this about cabin life then you threw the big curve ball.....lol was absolutely brilliant hook line and sinker you had me good. Love the style of the video.
Just found your channel and subscribed. As a retired boat restorer/repair myself I wish you all the best with this project. She'll be a good one when she's done.
It was very interesting to look at and calculate what is rot and what needs replacing!Go for it!😀👍Pretty cool!Good video and display of interior! I understood everything you pointed out!
Thank you very much, i admit im enjoying the restoration although im a little worried ill be bored with her once she is all repaired and afloat! i'll start breaking bits just as an excuse to take her out the water and fix her up again! :D What was your restoration project?
sorry to be off topic but does anyone know a trick to log back into an instagram account? I somehow lost my login password. I love any tips you can give me.
@Cason Nelson I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site thru google and im in the hacking process atm. Seems to take quite some time so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
She is a lovely looking boat. Whilst watching the first visit, I wondered whether putting salt in the bilges would help preserve a boat stored on the hard with leaking topsides for any length of time. I know many have iron floors, but it doesn't look like it in this case. I will be following your project with interest. Keep well.
Hi Dale, Thank you for your support, i actualy did fill the bilge with salt for the first few weeks until she was under cover. My thought was it would retard any further damage and stabilise it where it was until it was fully dried out. She has wooden floors so that works in favour of salting the bilge too! i hope you enjoy the ride!
@@BothanboatsIdler Blimey! I had an idea! ha, ha. I've watched them all so far today and enjoyed them very much. I've shared the pain too. I do think you have a great boat and will overcome the difficulties of the weather and end up with a boat to be proud of.
It's good see someone inspecting a restoration project before deciding if it's doable/worth the time/money and within your skill set etc rather than just diving in. I've subscribed but you're on probation...
I think it was built in Essex , the wiggins started off in the early 1900,s in Leigh on sea Essex , known as cole and wiggins, after building the endeavour the wiggins went to great wakering Essex , a few miles inland from Leigh which is on the river Thames, to the river crouch which might be where your boat was built
Fantastic, thank you. That tallys in with some info ive received from another post. They drew me a map of the town as it was in 1940 and where the Wiggins work shop was. It was known as the "Wiggins Saw pit", and i was surprised at how far from a water way the shop was! it was nearly in the middle of town. If i can find the sketch ill post it in another video. I would love to hear about any intended purpose for the boat or plans/drawings or story's from anyone who may have seen her built or owned her.
Bothan boats - restoring Idler. Apparently the wiggins were originally funeral directors then wheelwrights , then boatbuilders , the house they lived in gt wakering is still there today , I drove past it last week, it's opposite the exhibition inn on the high st , number 250 it was called homeville
Look for barlingwakeringvillages.co.uk there's info on this , Charles wiggins, there's also a picture of Elizabethan looks like yours, click on barlingwakering heritage, then wakering, then boatbuilding
@@colinsvid Fantastic information sir! thank you! do any of the family still partake in boat building? Also may i ask, What was the principal fishery in that area at that time? Cockles, prawns? - Estuary waters is that right?
@@BothanboatsIdler Leigh-On-Sea is famous for cockles, there’s also fishing boats in leigh still working today, Wakering is only a few charter boats but mainly pleasure , I think Charles Wiggins grandson still lives in great Wakering and plays for the local football team! I’ve posted on another local Forum asking for information, if anything comes up I will be in touch regards colin
I know your using your phone but please start using it in the correct orientation and give your viewers better footage that said not a bad start have fun and keep it up
I really enjoyed the first episode and look forward to binge watching the rest over the next couple of days. Have the decks been covered by Cascover using a resorcinol based glue? We used this system on Inchcape class yachts at Eyemouth Boat Building Company when i served my time in the late 80'son the hull and coachroof.
Im glad you are enjoying it, im not too sure what exactly was on the deck. It, looked like glassed fibre or an epoxy cloth. I couldn’t tell you to be honest!
Just found out that mill head was a brick works, because there was a lot of clay around wakering , and the red shed was originally the canteen for the workers, before wiggins used it to build boats , if you google earth mill head great wakering you can see the site on Potton creek opposite Potton island'. The saw pit was located in the high st, they probably cut timber there and transported it a couple of miles down to the red shed
@@colinsvid Thank you so much for taking the time to research this! i'll admit a slight rush of excitement / pride when seeing Potton Island and the Wakering Boat Shed appear. Tantamount to my Childs first steps!! :D, The rivers and the clear Tidal mud flats with the rural land behind it. It was lovely to see her "birth place"! Ill Bring her back one day! Thank you again!
@@BothanboatsIdler no problem I enjoyed it, all you’ve got to do now is fill in the gap between then and now lol good luck, I can’t wait for the next episode
Thanks that you are still there and getting back to me. Yes, we still await an update. Your project will still be there when you have the time and money-correct? Well, we look forward to see your updates as they happen. Keep at it! Great days ahead for you! Rich
If you are doing a complete restoration , do get off all paint on the inside of the boat . Do not paint the inside zo the timber can breathe . Put one or two layers of thinned varnish on , don't do anything more . That wil keep the wood breathing and healthy .
Ideally you shouldn't hold the camera in one hand, and work with the other. It's too shaky. You need high quality cameras with gimbals for that, or better still, the camera set still on a tripod. As it is here it's like the viewer is inside a washing machine!
A little more searching and I found a bit more info about what seems to be your design. I think you may have a Johnson and Jago 2 1/2 tonner. Johnson and Jago bought the Cole and Wiggins yard The cabin you removed seems to be as designed rather than an add on. More info can be gleaned from these links intheboatshed.net/2009/08/19/johnson-jago-2-12-tonner-sales-leaflet/ endeavourtrust.blogspot.com/2012/12/wiggins-family.html marinestore.blogspot.com/2009/07/save-this-boat.html Cheers Eric
Excellent help! Thank you, they are very similar arnt they! Idler is alittle longer at 23ft than the drawing youve sent and the coach roof is slightly different. But the over all look is very close. I have good reason to believe she was a Bermudan rig originally too! The other Johnson Jago images ive seen look quite different to this one. Its definitely the strongest threat to finding out what she is! Thank you again!
Lighting the fire at the start of the video was very atmospheric, when I then discovered the state of the boat I would have finished the job, fire wood in abundance.
@@BothanboatsIdler I have no Idea what the laws are in Scotland are concerning firearms. The 1873 is very nice if you ever get a chance to fire a live one.
I would love to! So you can own one here… but they are very expensive and only usable at certain venues, and the hoops to jump through are exhausting. … perhaps one day idler will cross the pond and ill get the chance! 👍
@@BothanboatsIdler Perhaps one day you could and go for a hunt. Wild boar is delicious and no season regulates them. Gordon Ramsay did an episode about them.
Your right, your camera work really sucks. was your nose 4" from what you were recording? made me sea sick. My monitor is 24'' wide. Please use all of it. yeah, I subscribed. Can only get better.
I also relate to restoring wooden boat in a way similar to our doings . So far , I've done seven lapstrake hulls of canadian built , mainly Cliffe Craft from early 1960 .
With no inside workshop , I have delt all the last 30 years , with makeshift car shelters and others I've built . Being in Québec , that gives an open time frame
of about 7 months to works with relative comfort and It leaves time for other things in life . My last project , an 18 foot outbord has stretched into a 7 year span .
And that will be the last one at 71 yo , roaming the St-Laurence River and Islands will now be my messing about . Born in Montréal and now based 17 km from shore , in Joliette , an easy trailerable distance . I here salute your tenacity and understanding in your wooden project . Love all your episodes . Congrats for your newborn son , a blessing ! By trade , I'm a musician in the folkies realm . Could submit music to you , if suited . Your piping doesn't make me deaf ! Cheers .
Hi Marc, thank you for the lovely comment and sorry for the late reply! it must have been hidden by a filter or something.
What a wealth of experience you must have gained and in such a beautiful bit of the world. Enjoy your sailing and music! a very kind offer for re music! i am hoping to begin posting videos again shortly as time is beginning to favour the boat restoration again! i may give you a shout in the nearish future.
Thank you very kindly!
Nick
Wow what a ambitious project. She is a old beauty, she surely has a soul. Just look at the work put in to her when she was made. The original builders were real craftsman of a by-gone era. She is excellent content for a TH-cam series, I wish you much success, on this most worthy project.
Thank you Darol, that is very kind of you. She is / was an utterly beautiful little boat in her day. And i am still here plodding away with her. All be it slowly. Im planning to begin releasing content again in the next few months. 👌🏻 thank you for watching 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
Kindling a wood stove and wooden boat restoration - great opening 🤣 Good luck!
Lovely to see she is getting a second chance instead of rotting her last years away. Well done, not a project for the light hearted but you have a history with her and a future now !!
I hope so! thank you!
Great beginning with starting the fire...drew me right in.
Every great adventure starts one step at a time. I'm with you for the rest of the story.
Thanks for checking out the story, Glad to have you with us! 🤙🏻
I like your style of presentation. I can't wait to catch up on the videos.
Intro outstanding, everything inside the boat just made me dizzy and sick
Yes, im sorry about that. I was a wee bit excited! 🤣
Audio and video improve rapidly in the next few episodes! Thank you for joining me!
Jeez that squeek from your scraper set me and the dog off
Definitely a lot work ahead of you, but that intro had me thinking about is this about cabin life then you threw the big curve ball.....lol was absolutely brilliant hook line and sinker you had me good. Love the style of the video.
Just found your channel and subscribed. As a retired boat restorer/repair myself I wish you all the best with this project. She'll be a good one when she's done.
Thank you for your interest and support! i hope i dont do anything too silly! but if i do please dont be shy in telling me off! :D
It was very interesting to look at and calculate what is rot and what needs replacing!Go for it!😀👍Pretty cool!Good video and display of interior! I understood everything you pointed out!
Thank you, im glad you didnt get too dizzy! Thank you for taking the time to comment and support the project! 👌🏻
Takes me back! 30 years ago I did my own restoration. Lovely boat, my favourite of all.
Thank you very much, i admit im enjoying the restoration although im a little worried ill be bored with her once she is all repaired and afloat! i'll start breaking bits just as an excuse to take her out the water and fix her up again! :D
What was your restoration project?
That's gotta be one of the best video intros I've seen, love it!
😀 thank you!!!
sorry to be off topic but does anyone know a trick to log back into an instagram account?
I somehow lost my login password. I love any tips you can give me.
@Colin Ellis instablaster :)
@Cason Nelson I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site thru google and im in the hacking process atm.
Seems to take quite some time so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Cason Nelson It worked and I actually got access to my account again. I'm so happy!
Thank you so much, you saved my ass!
Beautiful Boat Bro , Much respect for saving Her
Thanks, shes a lovely little boat. Sweet lines and sturdy look but light build. I cant wait to see how she jumps around in abit of rougher stuff! 🤣
She is a lovely looking boat. Whilst watching the first visit, I wondered whether putting salt in the bilges would help preserve a boat stored on the hard with leaking topsides for any length of time. I know many have iron floors, but it doesn't look like it in this case. I will be following your project with interest. Keep well.
Hi Dale, Thank you for your support, i actualy did fill the bilge with salt for the first few weeks until she was under cover. My thought was it would retard any further damage and stabilise it where it was until it was fully dried out. She has wooden floors so that works in favour of salting the bilge too! i hope you enjoy the ride!
@@BothanboatsIdler Blimey! I had an idea! ha, ha. I've watched them all so far today and enjoyed them very much. I've shared the pain too. I do think you have a great boat and will overcome the difficulties of the weather and end up with a boat to be proud of.
I believe the deck is covered with canvas and oil based paint. In the old days this is how it was done!
Absolutly right, although in Idlers case she had definitely been redecked with epoxy or glasfibre at some point in the recent'ish past.
It's good see someone inspecting a restoration project before deciding if it's doable/worth the time/money and within your skill set etc rather than just diving in. I've subscribed but you're on probation...
Haha! I hope i don’t disappoint!
Love it!! Was so close to getting my own pilot cutter, but the guy wouldn’t sell. She’ll be a beauty when you’re done with her!
I think it was built in Essex , the wiggins started off in the early 1900,s in Leigh on sea Essex , known as cole and wiggins, after building the endeavour the wiggins went to great wakering Essex , a few miles inland from Leigh which is on the river Thames, to the river crouch which might be where your boat was built
Fantastic, thank you. That tallys in with some info ive received from another post. They drew me a map of the town as it was in 1940 and where the Wiggins work shop was. It was known as the "Wiggins Saw pit", and i was surprised at how far from a water way the shop was! it was nearly in the middle of town. If i can find the sketch ill post it in another video. I would love to hear about any intended purpose for the boat or plans/drawings or story's from anyone who may have seen her built or owned her.
Bothan boats - restoring Idler. Apparently the wiggins were originally funeral directors then wheelwrights , then boatbuilders , the house they lived in gt wakering is still there today , I drove past it last week, it's opposite the exhibition inn on the high st , number 250 it was called homeville
Look for barlingwakeringvillages.co.uk there's info on this , Charles wiggins, there's also a picture of Elizabethan looks like yours, click on barlingwakering heritage, then wakering, then boatbuilding
@@colinsvid Fantastic information sir! thank you! do any of the family still partake in boat building?
Also may i ask, What was the principal fishery in that area at that time? Cockles, prawns? - Estuary waters is that right?
@@BothanboatsIdler Leigh-On-Sea is famous for cockles, there’s also fishing boats in leigh still working today, Wakering is only a few charter boats but mainly pleasure , I think Charles Wiggins grandson still lives in great Wakering and plays for the local football team!
I’ve posted on another local Forum asking for information, if anything comes up I will be in touch regards colin
Im interested in this project, definatly not interested in hearing that scraper again
🤣🤣 sorry bro!
I know your using your phone but please start using it in the correct orientation and give your viewers better footage that said not a bad start have fun and keep it up
Lovely boat.
Interesting project. Camera work made me feel sick, but interesting project.
Thank you! I am sorry about that! I does get better i promise! 🤣
@@BothanboatsIdler Oh I know. I was watching a few more instalments. Lovely project by the way.
I really enjoyed the first episode and look forward to binge watching the rest over the next couple of days. Have the decks been covered by Cascover using a resorcinol based glue? We used this system on Inchcape class yachts at Eyemouth Boat Building Company when i served my time in the late 80'son the hull and coachroof.
Im glad you are enjoying it, im not too sure what exactly was on the deck. It, looked like glassed fibre or an epoxy cloth. I couldn’t tell you to be honest!
It’s a boat, made out of wood. What’s not like.
That scrap was tough on ny ears lol
I was just reading your comment Simon, with my teeth right on edge, whilst he was scraping, ha, ha.
@@daleskidmore1685 haha there were a couple scrapes that were epic!
The red shed at mill head, on potton creek , great wakering , a former brickworks building in the early 1900,s
Just found out that mill head was a brick works, because there was a lot of clay around wakering , and the red shed was originally the canteen for the workers, before wiggins used it to build boats , if you google earth mill head great wakering you can see the site on Potton creek opposite Potton island'. The saw pit was located in the high st, they probably cut timber there and transported it a couple of miles down to the red shed
@@colinsvid Thank you so much for taking the time to research this! i'll admit a slight rush of excitement / pride when seeing Potton Island and the Wakering Boat Shed appear. Tantamount to my Childs first steps!! :D, The rivers and the clear Tidal mud flats with the rural land behind it. It was lovely to see her "birth place"! Ill Bring her back one day!
Thank you again!
@@BothanboatsIdler no problem I enjoyed it, all you’ve got to do now is fill in the gap between then and now lol good luck, I can’t wait for the next episode
Hey There bud! watched your series-enjoyed it--- you had a new baby--- then you disappeared. HOW ABOUT AN UPDATE?? LOVED YOU WORK-Rich.
Thanks that you are still there and getting back to me. Yes, we still await an update. Your project will still be there when you have the time and money-correct? Well, we look forward to see your updates as they happen. Keep at it! Great days ahead for you! Rich
If you are doing a complete restoration , do get off all paint on the inside of the boat . Do not paint the inside zo the timber can breathe . Put one or two layers of thinned varnish on , don't do anything more . That wil keep the wood breathing and healthy .
Is that a '97 Winchester hanging on the wall?
Haha, just a toy / ornament im afraid!! 🤣
Good start, very shaky camera work though.
Absolutely agree, it gets better as we go on as i figure out how to hold a camera and talk at the same time!!🤪
Ideally you shouldn't hold the camera in one hand, and work with the other. It's too shaky. You need high quality cameras with gimbals for that, or better still, the camera set still on a tripod. As it is here it's like the viewer is inside a washing machine!
Зачем винчестер на стене?от кого отстреливаться?😃
A little more searching and I found a bit more info about what seems to be your design.
I think you may have a Johnson and Jago 2 1/2 tonner.
Johnson and Jago bought the Cole and Wiggins yard The cabin you removed seems to be as designed rather than an add on.
More info can be gleaned from these links
intheboatshed.net/2009/08/19/johnson-jago-2-12-tonner-sales-leaflet/
endeavourtrust.blogspot.com/2012/12/wiggins-family.html
marinestore.blogspot.com/2009/07/save-this-boat.html
Cheers Eric
Excellent help! Thank you, they are very similar arnt they! Idler is alittle longer at 23ft than the drawing youve sent and the coach roof is slightly different. But the over all look is very close. I have good reason to believe she was a Bermudan rig originally too!
The other Johnson Jago images ive seen look quite different to this one. Its definitely the strongest threat to finding out what she is!
Thank you again!
What did you say happened to the engine?
Respect....
I would have said bye bye its a basket case.
Lighting the fire at the start of the video was very atmospheric, when I then discovered the state of the boat I would have finished the job, fire wood in abundance.
If you could move the camera faster it would be helpful
Haha! Sorry about that! It gets better! 😂
@@BothanboatsIdler Thanks lol , looks like it will be a great project …….…
Blair witch restoration project.
Is that the same POS boat that i helped you get lifted out of Elie harbour on to the back of a low loader about a million years ago??
The very same lod! :D
Is that a real Winchester 1873 or a replica?
Haha, nah its just a model 😎
@@BothanboatsIdler I have no Idea what the laws are in Scotland are concerning firearms. The 1873 is very nice if you ever get a chance to fire a live one.
I would love to! So you can own one here… but they are very expensive and only usable at certain venues, and the hoops to jump through are exhausting.
… perhaps one day idler will cross the pond and ill get the chance! 👍
@@BothanboatsIdler Perhaps one day you could and go for a hunt. Wild boar is delicious and no season regulates them. Gordon Ramsay did an episode about them.
If you are going to show condition of boat keep the camara as still as possible as your jumping a lover the place so not seeing much
You need to film on a camera not a phone
Slow the camera ,get sea sick jumped around to fast
Thanks, ill bear that in mind next time. Thanks for watching!
Your right, your camera work really sucks. was your nose 4" from what you were recording? made me sea sick. My monitor is 24'' wide. Please use all of it. yeah, I subscribed. Can only get better.
Haha, trust me it gets better! The sea sickness adds to the nauticalness of the channel 🤪 sorry bud!
That's Elie Harbour
It is indeed!