Is the Bible Right?
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- Atheist Experience 26.47 for November 20, 2022 with Forrest Valkai & Christy Powell LIVE at the Freethought Library
Nikol from Armenia is wondering if the Bible is a good guide for having successful relationships & marriage?
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I was raised in a Christian cult which strictly forbade divorce, with excommunication as the punishment. This was paired with a strict "no sex until marriage" policy, which also carried the punishment of excommunication. This one-two punch of awful rules led to countless instances of young adults immediately rushing into marriage as soon as possible, only to be stuck in unhealthy, miserable relationships for the rest of their lives. The fact that men are taught that they are superior and that women should be "obedient" to their husbands really didn't help either.
Jehovah's Witnesses?
@@batfleckforever3594 Bingo
Its a recipe for suffering...
How do religious laws, rules, regulations and restrictions apply to incest or people raped as children or people raped before they were married?
What kind of garbage Christians preaches that ? Totally isn't what the Bible says at all
My parents are still married and are in a toxic relationship for the last 30-35 years.
I suffered a tremendous amount of psychological abuse growing up.
My mum didn't divorce for religious reasons. By her not doing so, she caused herself and her two sons years upon years of abuse.
But, yey! Marriage!
Hope you are doing well rn
@@yachishairclips2250 Thank you, I am indeed. I left that house 17 years ago and moved abroad. I have a family of my own that is wonderful.
My son told me when he was 6 that the best thing I had done, as his Mama, looking after him, was leaving his dad. Children who grow up in toxic homes suffer far more than children who are being raised in 2 households
I hope things are better for you now
I experienced the same upbringing. I always hoped my parents would divorce so I could finally live with less abuse.
Miserable parents make miserable children. So divorce isn't a bad thing at all. Cause it affects the children when there parents hate each other
This!!!
People in my country (Philippines) always sees separated couples (divorce ain't allowed here)as miserable but little did they know miserable couple also give trauma to their children... One way or another, I am the product of that miserable couple. When I was a child... I really thought that being wanted to be out ASAP of my own home is normal, that being around with toxic people is normal... Till I knew better when I was growing up..
Horrible people brings forth damage whenever they go. This is why I am pro divorce because I know how bad it is to be trapped in a bad family dynamics...
Amen brother!
Caller: Christian marriages last longer.
Forrest: Stats say atheists divorce less.
Caller: I was talking about my anecdotal personal experience.
These people can't even look at reality square in the face. We already have statistics proving you're wrong... ffs.
Remember, Christians value personal experience, feelings and observation more than anything else.. So, when science is applied, their brains can't logically think of the evidence-backed up statistics to them..
I wonder if his stats covered Armenian marriages. Or if they were just US stats.
The caller makes the case that women make decisions based on emotion because they stay in abusive relationships...
Forgets that the abusive partner is very emotional... and in addition promotes those abusive relationships by reinforcing the power imbalance... he's helping to create the problem he's complaining about...
@Technic Mr spam man send me some spam
Make it the dumbest spam you possibly can
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
I’m impressed with how well this caller listened. Truly rare!
I am a new(ish) atheist, and my wife and I have been married for 31+ years. For us, we decided we wanted to stay together forever when we agreed to marriage, and we knew it would have both good times and bad, but we wanted to go through all of them together. It was never a religious thing for us. I love my wife more today than when we got married, but I understand not all relationships are the same, so I support divorce and individually agreed terms for all. Btw, love the ahow.
I am an atheist and my wife is 100% christian. We have been married for 20 years. Our 3 boys are the center of our relationship and divorce is not something we had never contemplated
and probably; we will never.
The TRUTH is ; when it turns about moral values, family values, finances, discipline our kids, etc.... there is nothing I would do differently if I was a Christian vice-versa if my wife was an atheist.
However, if we were basing our life in a lot of the bible teachings ; I would have been the worst husband to her and we would have certainly been the worst parents to the boys.
Yep. That's about how it should be.
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
@@luigicastin3692 That's totally a lie
@Technic you must believe in the Ancient Egyptian religion...the One and Only Sun is Amen-Re.
I wish more callers were like him. Nikol seemed to actually listen, and did not interrupt. I hope he learned a thing or two from this exchange.
Different cultures
I treat the Bible like I do social media; I try to stay off it as much as possible.
Two good things happened to me in my life. One, I was raised in a secular household. Religion wasn't hated, just ignored as unimportant. Two, I grew up before the Internet, or at least the Web, and cellphones and the ubiquity of computers. Both these things helped give me perspective on what's important.
I'm grateful too, as a 50 yr old, for not having access to the internet until my 20's.
@Technic based on my circumstances, living with chronic illness and becoming poor because of it, I already feel condemned by humanity
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
@Technic Whoever believes in a god does not need to go to hell...he lives in a hell on Earth. I didn't sneeze.
@Technic reported for spam ×25.
I guess that true realised that you are WOEFULLY UNQUALIFIED to debate any of us, so you are lashing out with spam. EVERY time you post is one more nail in the coffin of your account and one more demonstration that you FAILED, MISERABLE and not are throwing a TANTRUM!
Bravo! 👏👏
Isn't it amazing how the creator of everything (from galaxy clusters to subatomic particles, from bacteria to the human brain) left us with exactly ONE instruction manual for his world, which is concerned primarily with tribal scuffles in ancient Mesopotamia? And foreskins. Who would've thought?!
Mysterious ways no doubt...
@Technic So basically "believe, or else..."
Very convincing.
@Technic unless…he never knew you.
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
@Technic Cool…now demonstrate that “him” actually exists.
Just because they are married...doesn't mean they are happy. If a marriage isn't happy, what's the fucking point?
$$$$$$$$
Never been married so this is just my opinion, but no one should stay in an unhappy relationship. Married or not.
@Technic So what? Your book of fantasy says a lot of dumb stuff
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
My neighbors are atheists . Married for 20 + years . The other day I heard him verbally abusing her
@@timsmith530 People argue and I could cite plenty of this happened bs without evidence, just like you did
@@timsmith530 Thats nice...well, not nice, but you know what I mean. Do you have a point there?
Caller: "Men think with logic, women think with emotion."
Viking women: **manages the finances**
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
@@holgerlubotzki3469 From what I see there are only replies to Technic's comments, his comments are all gone. His channel still exists, so I assume he was banned by YT.
Who'd willingly enter into a personal relationship with someone who threatened to torture them if they refused?
@gordon3186... apparently technic4803 would but I suspect they are hard of thinking 🤔
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
I mean, considering the weird popularity of Yanderes...
Hell no, the Bible's only good for 1 thing and that is when you run out of cigarette papers
or toilet paper...
I'd advise against it, some of the inks they use are pretty toxic. But if you are interested in camping, a bible will last you a couple years of cooking fires if you are careful how you tear out the pages.
I always say if the pages of the bible were soft enough; I would have used them as toilet paper.
@@lukewojtanowicz1991
You don't want toxicity while sucking on a cancer stick! 😆
@Technic Who sent you here to lie to us with the same propaganda over and over again? Who? Please tell us who sent you.
You guys are a good team. I've really enjoyed watching the two of you. Thanks!
The guy that came with the whole Alpha male thing observed these 'Alpha' male traits in captive wolves. When he took this theory out to compare it to wild Wolfe's he realised how wrong he was. He has been very outspoken about how wrong he was with the whole alpha thing and tries to spread the truth.
@@technic4803 yes God bless the condemned by sending them to hell for eternity. It is truly wonderful our God loves us so much. He is moral perfection 🙏
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
@Technic Damn, I can't confirm that verse...I've already used that page of the buybullchit as toilet paper.
@Technic "Unjust evil. They're the type I hate the most. Even if gods and devils forgive them, I never will." Nacht Faust, Black Clover Manga and Anime - Chapter 263 (p. 13-14) and Episode 168.
Insane wolves
Any woman who is a Christian hasn't read the bible, period.
Any black person like me who is a Christian has not certainly read the bible and even less has investigated how Christianity has got to where it is today as a religion.
Not necessarily. A lot of pastors and teachers do a good job of explaining how these inherently unfair and oppressive statements are actually for a good cause or are not from God but from man or how the Bible is actually fair to both men and women
@Technic Who sent you here to lie to us with the same propaganda over and over again? Who? Please tell us who sent you.
@@rebekahopara4179 That's hilarious! But to Dave's point, can you confirm that *YOU* have read the bible? All of it? From cover to cover? Have you?
I am not a Christian because I read the bible, period.
My wife is a Christian. I am (100%) an atheist. We have been together for 37 years and raised 2 good men. How? We prioritize correctly. Weird huh? Read some books.......not just 1.
No idea, how you have made that work but we'll done
@@garybaltiejus7248 thank you. 👍. For what it’s worth....I’m a pot head.......and she has never smoked a joint. It’s amazing what you can accomplish as a couple when you focus on what truly matters.....and it ain’t whether you believe in a god or not. It’s about character.
Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers . She must not be a real Christian
@@timsmith530 the pastor that married my Christian wife to me, an atheist, said that was a misinterpretation made by people who haven't actually studied the scriptures. Imagine my surprise you fall into that category.
@@freakyzed8467 Wrong. Your pastor is a clown
My mother used to talk about how non-Mormons were incapable of being in a loving relationship because they could only be married until death and not for eternity as in her religion. She would see a couple and start in on how it was only temporary and not real love. She was a bitter old woman who died alone. My brother ended up marrying someone who was like her and it ended in divorce. He talked about how he didn't want to finally give up all self-respect for some cow that would dominate him. I just can't imagine the hate my mother had for anyone who had a love in their lives that her religion couldn't provide for her.
One thing I learned about marriage is that no matter if you're religious, atheist , or anything else satan hates the institution of marriage that God designed
I knew that god was responsible for all those divorces 😏
@@timsmith530 Voldemort hates people being happy as well!
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Why do your comments have absolutely nothing to do with anything? You're becoming irrelevant
@@timsmith530 Hello pot, meet the kettle, isnt he black?
There are a bunch of miserably married people. So many people stay together years hating each other which is the biggest sin. To live miserable to please a religious group.
Also lots of murders in Christain couples. From what I've noticed. I think they believe its their only way out, when if divorce wasn't a religous sin, then the murder wouldn't have happened.
Whilst killing is a religous sin too, this seems to take 2nd place if it were a choice between public divorce or killing the partner! These form some of the reasons why we know religous dogma is wrong. That's why we threw all religous claimed sins out of modern society.
@Technic Lol. We threw out ALL claimed Jesus sins and replaced them with the far greater secular laws method.
That's odd isn't it Techy? That's odd that this outdated claimed God's sins would be thrown out of all civilized countries. Why didn't he realize that would happen? That a better method existed? What a loser claimed God.
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
That's true. The other miserable bunch are atheists
@Technic you should read the rest of the book and find some better verses fr fr, try Exodus 21, Numbers 31, Genesis 19, or my personal favorite 2 Kings 2:22-24,
"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys."
Evangelical christian marriage can work very well, so long as it involves only two people - a masochist and a control freak.
Oh that was a funny ...lol
It's funny because it's true.
🤔 my wife and I are atheist and been married over 21 years. I know religion had nothing to do with any bit of our marriage lol. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🖤
Let the blind lead the blind
@@timsmith530 so much hate in you.
@@freakyzed8467 Isn't it amazing how the ones showing the hatred are the religious ones. And they want us to be like them.
@@timsmith530 that is a horrific attitude to have.
@@sideboob6851 glad it's not all of them. Worst part is the very vocal minority who are full of hate seem to have the most say.
This conversation was interesting. It made me look up stats for India. Shocked to find out that we only had a divorce rate of 1.1% till recently. I'm sure religion played a great role in keeping unhappy and abusive relationships continuing till death did the couples apart.
It was custom to burn the widow with her dead husband…that custom was baned by the British
My wife is Indian and I'm her second husband. Her first husband was an alcoholic who would beat and rape her when he got drunk. She put up with it for years, he got counselling, etc. but she didn't go for a divorce due to the shame it would bring upon the family. When she finally couldn't handle it any longer and did get divorced, the stigma to her and her family was substantial, and sent her father spiralling into depression.
I believe that she only got halfhearted support from her family until she married me, and then they finally accepted her choice. Surprisingly there was no drama over her marrying a foreigner whatsoever.
There are many things that I love about India, the close-knit families being one of them. But I'll never understand the mindset of putting "face" above the happiness and wellbeing of your daughter.
@@MrMarcusIndia Thanks for sharing your story. You are right, the familial pressure is terrible here. I doubt anyone in her family would have suggested a second marriage despite knowing all that she went through. Glad she found you, glad she got a second chance at love.
@@karinland8533 yes, I've read about it too. the practice was apparently glorified among the warrior clans of North west India, the region bordering present day Pakistan. it happened sporadically in other parts also. Utterly barbaric.
No idea, we never bothered getting married, instead used the money to buy a house, and that was 20 years ago.
Doesn't cost that much to get married, it's the insane wedding arrangements that now seem to put couples in debt for half their lives.
@@ziploc2000 Very true, but why bother when "De facto" = the same outcome.
Now a days it's more of a material thing.
@Technic Who sent you here to lie to us with the same propaganda over and over again? Who? Please tell us who sent you.
Rubber dolls don't count
We most likely naturally developed morals and ethics as instincts as we evolved as a species. Simple as that. That explains the diversity in different cultures in different parts of the world and why some things that are moral in one culture are immoral in others.
No gods needed or shown to be involved whatsoever.
Great work guys. Brilliant.
@Technic .
Wasted words, they mean absolutely nothing. It might be an idea before you make threats, to show empirical evidence there is an entity which has actual power.
Morals in some form are a required evolutionary attribute for any social group to survive and prosper. No gods needed.
consider if you will. Humanity is a social species, predisposed to small tribes. we developed needing each other in order to survive as a hunter-gatherer society. we're thousands of years past this point now, but it's ingrained. instinctual. we still need each other and doing things that are against the others that we rely on is clearly bad. helping those that we rely on is clearly good.
now, with that said, let's scatter all these people all over the world to develop as they will... what's right in one place might not be in another, etc. etc. as the various cultures have developed differently.
it's not as simple of a concept as some really desire, but it bears out in the details.
In that case if you lived in ancient times and humans were only evolved to the point of owning slaves you would have accepted slavery as moral because it was considered ethical . So by your logic you just defined how atheists morals evolve . Also atheists today: LOOK A PREGNANT MAN
@Technic reported for spam ×25.
I guess that true realised that you are WOEFULLY UNQUALIFIED to debate any of us, so you are lashing out with spam. EVERY time you post is one more nail in the coffin of your account and one more demonstration that you FAILED, MISERABLE and not are throwing a TANTRUM!
Bravo! 👏👏
the religious view that divorce is a "sin" (along with the threat that it is punishable by an eternity in 'hell') traps a lot of people in marriages that are dysfunctional/unhealthy and miserable.
"...If you follow it word for word and don't just choose the passage you like..."
I wonder if Nikol wears mixed fabrics or eats shellfish...
Oh wow, the amount of arrogance, prejudice, and ignorance in the statement that marriage is based on the Bible. I am atheist and my wife is Hindu. So my marriage was a mixture of Hindu and secular ideas. Marriage is central to Hinduism, and Hinduism is a lot older than the Christian Bible. Marriage is a much older institution than Christianity, Judaism, and probably also older than Hinduism. It is definitely not something that is based on something more recent, like the Bible.
All the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings KNOW and understand that they are NOT believers of the Christ's TRUTHS and righteousness about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead and NOT worshippers too of the loving, kind, and merciful God and Father of Jesus Christ.
The loving, kind, and merciful God and Father of Jesus Christ KNOWS that all the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings are worshippers of his enemy, the worthless and foolish Satan the Devil.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that all the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings are preachers and spreaders of the LIES and foolishness of his enemies about Armageddon, Trinity, hellfire, rapture, and reincarnation.
All the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful atheists, agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings KNOW and understand that they will just grow old, suffer, get sick, get weak and weaker, die, and become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
Jesus Christ and his God and Father KNOW that too.
@@jaflenbond7854 Once again, Jaffles demonstrates to the world that he himself is the *PROOF* that the
g0d he thinks he believes is real cannot possibly exist!
The atheist movement needs more advocates like Jaffles!
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Believers of the Christ's TRUTHS and righteousness about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are respectful, kind, and loving human beings who -
1. can be trusted with anything
2. are capable of treating their co-human beings with love, kindness, and respect
3. are worthy and deserving to live and last on earth forever
4. will be rewarded by the God and Father of the Christ with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths.
Believers of the anti-Christs' LIES and foolishness about "Armageddon", "Hellfire", "Rapture", "Trinity", and "Reincarnation" are arrogant, cruel, and hateful human beings who -
1. act, speak, think, and believe that they are greater, powerful, intelligent, higher, and superior than the Christ and his God and Father
2. are incapable of treating their own families and neighbors with kindness and respect
3. are worthy and deserving of their own sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, downfall, disgrace, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
@@ookeekthelibrarian Believers of the Christ's TRUTHS and righteousness about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are respectful, kind, and loving human beings who -
1. can be trusted with anything
2. are capable of treating their co-human beings with love, kindness, and respect
3. are worthy and deserving to live and last on earth forever
4. will be rewarded by the God and Father of the Christ with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths.
Believers of the anti-Christs' LIES and foolishness about "Armageddon", "Hellfire", "Rapture", "Trinity", and "Reincarnation" are arrogant, cruel, and hateful human beings who -
1. act, speak, think, and believe that they are greater, powerful, intelligent, higher, and superior than the Christ and his God and Father
2. are incapable of treating their own families and neighbors with kindness and respect
3. are worthy and deserving of their own sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, downfall, disgrace, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
@@jaflenbond7854 Priests cannot be trusted with children. We have gone over this before. If there is one thing the Catholic Church has proven, it’s keep the altar boys away from father Flanagan.
That was a great conversation right there!
The best thought was to actually decide what exactly you think the goal is: the longest marriage periods, population growth or a happier population overall?
Surely the “traditional style” families produce more children. But what about the quality of their parenthood? What about overall life expectancy and happiness level?
According to the storybook sourcebook, the nonsensical specific god-character within scapegoats a woman for his own foreseeable design flaws and instructs that women are mere chattel property. Misogyny is alive and well in Christian dogma.
@Technic Who sent you here to lie to us with the same propaganda over and over again? Who? Please tell us who sent you.
@Technic
You don't seem to realize that quoting an ancient storybook sourcebook that is chock-full of fantastical baseless claims and inadmissible hearsay is only circular thinking 🤔!
"In classical rhetoric and logic, begging the question or assuming the conclusion is an informal fallacy that occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it." Wikipedia.
"Like the rest of the New Testament, the four gospels were written in Greek. The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66-70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85-90, and John AD 90-110. Despite the traditional ascriptions, all four are anonymous and most scholars agree that none were written by eyewitnesses." Wikipedia, Gospels.
There are thousands of alleged specific god-characters throughout history and none whatsoever have ever been competently proven by any of their respective claimants. Therefore the default position is that the Bible is simply just another example of ancient fictional literature.
It's far more believable that you are an unwitting victim of religious indoctrination childhood brainwashing that taught you 'What to think' rather than 'How to think' as per Proverbs 22:6, which reads, Train up a child in the way they should go; and when they are old they will not [easily] depart from it."
Therefore you are not even close to being able to competently honor your burden of proof requirements for the specific god-character of antiquity claim.
Obviously I have read the Bible cover-to-cover utilizing good reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. Reading the Bible cover-to-cover is one of the most reliable ways to become a reasonable skeptic/ non-believer. I can readily articulate about all the immorality and outright nonsense throughout the Bible until the claimants thereof are actually capable of honoring their burden of proof requirements for the plethora of fantastical baseless claims and inadmissible hearsay. It's been two thousand years and the alleged omnipotent narcissistic fear-mongering, misogynistic, genocidal, infanticidal, slavery condoning, sociopathic, god-character of the Bible is totally nothing more than a nonsensical character from ancient fictional literature.
Along with begging the question fallacy you chose to use the appeal to emotion fallacy.
"Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is an informal fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence." Wikipedia.
Since the Bible claimant cannot competently honor their burden of proof requirements and thus always resorts to using a predictable assortment of 'logical fallacies' that are easily discredited and dismissed, I strongly recommend that you objectively analyze the reasoning behind why you so strongly believe in a nonsensical specific god-character of antiquity.
I'm 13+ yrs out of an abusive relationship with a chick, and happily married....
I STILL have genuine feelings for the lady. I HOPE she got the help she needs... I STILL check up on her tru mutual friends.....
Yeah, love is one helluva drug,
Did the caller actually try to justify abusive Christian marriages as good for the wife?
@Technic Like Technic says: a good christian believes that abuse and love are the same thing.
@@fishcious yup. There is no hate greater than Christian love.
When someone says that marriage is based on the bible that tells me that they never read the Bible.
Thank you.
I got a great deal on my marriage, worth way more than 50 shekels of silver
I brought the woman who I forced myself upon. God approves
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. I would advise you to invest them ( bit coins bro ! ) in the stock market.
Rubber dolls don't count
Biologically statistically males in humans are larger than females.
Therefore a long time ago there could be certain roles allocated.
But in modern times there is no need for these defined roles.
At home or work or out and about or anything, both menn and women can be equal.
However, this is not true when the activity is specifically about bodily strength (such as physical sports).
An easy example is when showing a male tennis player serve speed, its generally faster in speed than a woman's serve.
If we are speaking of brute force strength, then generally males win. But society, modern culture, everything now in civilized countries, is now not about brute physical strength.
Clearly the male and females minds are now confirmed to have equal intelligence.
The only reason the caller would find more women emotional in say relationships, is only due to upbringing and culture etc.
In reality their brains are the same. That's why we have girls and boys in the same classroom.
My go to response is do you think its a good idea to take advice on relationships from a book or culture that encourages slavery or treats women & children as ‘less’ then men
Our culture doesn't encourage slavery. Because you read a couple of misinterpreted verses of a culture 4000 years ago you think you understand?
@@timsmith530 you do know that there are whole passages in the bible that talk about who you can buy as PROPERTY, how much you should pay for the them and how to pass them on to your children?? How is that NOT slavery??
Plus I would like to add that the bible is at most 2000 years old with the Torah (Jewish bible) on which most of the Old Testament is based on is at best 2500 years old so might want to get your timings right there.
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@@timsmith530 A now the bible needs to be interpreted? On the other hand I see many Christians who claimed that the words of the bible need to be followed literally, no interpretation allowed at all.
Would you Christians mind sitting together and discuss this topic and decide once and for all?
Ah yes, if you decide to start a crusade, because the other confessions are wrong-believers, to be honest, I have no problem, as long as you don't hurt others.
@@johnscaramis2515 this is in part why I’m an atheist. For as long as i can remember I’ve been soo confused as to how there’s so many ‘official’ versions of Christianity there are. There’s several versions of the bible all with only minor differences in from what I’ve seen all talking about the same god and Jesus. Yet there’s so much confusion on which verses literally happened and which you have to interpret. You would have thought someone as powerful and all knowing as god could come up with a way in which everyone would know exactly what was going on.
I don't think that people should use made up information for anything let alone marriage advice ?
@Technic Who sent you here to lie to us with the same propaganda over and over again? Who? Please tell us who sent you.
@Technic yeah umm? Keep it in church man . Your preaching to the wrong person.
@Technic If you want it so bad, I will help all the others marking your copy&paste-BS as spam.
Obviously you have not enoguh brain power to do more than copy&paste-spamming.
Did your pastor give your the lines and you acted like a nice puppet?
Ancient Celtic culture had all kinds of different "marriages".
Business partners could get "married". Best friends could get "married". Parents adopting an orphan child could get "married".
Because the point was that "marriage" in their eyes was just where you had a big public occasion - a big party, with family and friends - to announce an oath or a commitment.
It was a way to "seal the contract", as it were. Have a big public occasion and then, in front of everyone, swear your oaths. Be that to be a good husband or wife, or to be a good business partner, or to commit to looking after this orphan child by adopting them or whatever.
The general gist of it being that you were making this "contract" between parties very public and open and transparent... so that you've got the social pressure to keep it, and a whole bunch of people who know what commitments you made - as you made them very publicly, in a big party / ceremony, with everyone there - which acts to back it up.
You made this commitment in front of everyone, in the big public party, so if you break that commitment, then everyone's going to know you're not trustworthy.
But, yeah, "marriage" in that ancient culture was not limited to romantic / sexual engagements alone. You could "marry" anyone for any reason.
The point of the big formal ceremony - with everyone there - was that this puts social pressure on you to honour your contract. Because you just made these oaths and commitments in front of everyone.
Runnie Ran Away again! LOL
The Bible inspires evil deeds as often as it inspires good ones. I consider the Bible an unreliable guide to moral behavior.
Are you claiming that you are better, greater, intelligent, powerful, higher and superior than all the Bible Writers and their God and Heavenly Father?
@@jaflenbond7854 The bible writers were ignorant and a 10 year old knows more than they did.
@@jaflenbond7854 A gifted eight year old is smarter and more moral than the folks in the Bible and all the authors combined.
@@jaflenbond7854 Less copy paste, more evidence.
@@ajclements4627 All atheists,agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings are NOT believers of the Christ's TRUTHS and righteousness and NOT worshippers too of the loving, kind, and merciful God and Father of Jesus Christ.
All of them will just grow old, suffer, get sick, get weak and weaker, die, and become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
Forrest and Christy are my new favorite combo.. extremely informative and both are able to convey the information extremely well..
Read Deuteronomy 22:28-29 for guidance on biblical marriage.
With the bible, you have to choose the passages you like or you will end up a conflicted mess. Turn the other cheek after doing the eye for an eye? That's the easiest, most gross example in a book replete with them.
If you want to be with a person, be with them, if you don't then don't. Is a good position to take. Whch is why I am not sure about marriage as an institution. It often strikes me, as so many institutions nowadays, as set up as a commercial activity. Spend X on rings or you don't love your partner. Have a ceremony and party that costs a years wages, etc.
@Technic
Condemned of what, exactly, you spammy cultist troll?
@Technic and you just prove the OP correct. Bravo! 👏👏
You know the verses but are void of understanding them
@Technic
There's zero evidence that eternal life or god exists. Hence your warning is utterly meaningless and goodbye. Who would want to spend eternity with a bunch of people like you anyway? That sounds more like eternal condemnation to me.
Goodbye.
It's very frustrating trying to talk to someone who thinks their mythology owns a word or concept. The absolute void of awareness is horrible.
Dide using radical like it's 1986 😄 Love it
"Men are more logical while women use more emotion." If you raise men so they're only allowed to express anger and then define anger as not an emotion, then sure, they're less emotional than women. And if men are less emotional, then why do women have to dress modestly in order to not drive men to lust? Isn't lust an emotion? What about pride? If men are more logical then how did the "Hold my beer?" stereotype come about?
Coming from a former Christian background I wonder how many Catholics are stuck in a unhappy marriage because because of the taboo of divorce and not being able to remarry in there faith.
I think a big thing this guy needs to understand is that his anecdotal observations aren't necessarily reflective of true reality
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
Well, Religion with its indoctrination kills logical thinking
@Technic and Austin 3:16 says I just whopped your ass, so WHAT?
Whay does your shitty Bible verse have to do with anecdotal observations not being in line with reality?
@Technic Hey, the first comment of you that was not deleted. Congratulations.
Seems this comment was neither spam nor assessed as total BS.
BTW: what do we do with the people who have never heard of your god and his holy book and therefore do not even have a chance to believe in him? Are they also going to hell because they don't follow the rules some arbitrary god has forgotten to send them? If so, god is an a*hole.
@Technic Yeah? It's almost like his observations being unreliable was *the point* .
But I'll break it down for you so it makes *sense*.
You see when I said his "anecdotal observations", I was saying his "unreliable personal experience'. When I said "are not necessarily reflective of reality", I was saying. " aren't true.
So to break it down to 2nd grade level for you, I'll put it altogether and say. "This dude needs to understand that his unreliable personal experiences aren't true"
Of course, if you had even a basic amount of reading comprehension, you'd know that... hope that makes *sense* .
My relationship with my wife baffles most people because we are not a typical couple. Our relationship works perfect for us though but some things are very strange to other
well, but does the LIEBLE have any influence in your marriage?
@Technic so you went and posted that and what did you think you were going to accomplish? To an atheist they are just empty words written by people who want to control people through fear, plus atheists dont believe in gawdz or the Lieble or the words in it... and for those who have read the lieble and are familiar with it disagree with a gawd that slaughters the entire population of the world except 8 and btw, there is no afterlife, the lite goes out when it burns out.
@Technic Who sent you here to post the same propaganda over and over? Please tell us who!
@Technic you would have thought or you did think the same thing?
Divorce shouldn't be viewed as a bad thing. There are good reasons to get a divorce, there are bad reasons to get a divorce. Sometimes it is the best decision for people to make in some situations.
In my old church, our pastor was also a "marriage counselor" and would very often talk about how he's been a counselor for hundreds of marriages and never once has suggested divorce. Up until the point where one of our congregation nearly beat his wife to death (there were seeing him because he had hit her in the past, and he still told them to "work through it"). After she nearly died, he kind of stopped talking about it so I don't know if his view has changed.
Funny when a former part of the Soviet Union is against equality. Shows how strong culture and religion is.
soviet union was never about equality. Despite being atheist, it had a lot more common with a religion than most people think - they fought religion precisely because it was a strong competition to their new state religion, where the Party and the Leader were the new deity.
@@alextrigger8199 That is my point! It became a democracy, but lost their humanity. It shows religion is more important than democracy and human rights.
I always enjoy the female Bible literalists who enter politics (Boebert, Palin, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lake etc, who blaspheme by having authority over men.
@@sammur1977 teach the young women to be … obedient to their own husbands” (Titus 2:3-5 KJV), and “ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands” (1 Peter 3:1 KJV)
1 Timothy 2:12 ESV I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
1 Corinthians 11:3 ESV
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 14:34 ESV
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
You obviously DONT read your babble.
"Do animals also need to figure things out through failure?"
That's pretty much the gist of evolution. Animals have been figuring things out through failure for the last few billion years. They may not reflect on their culture and behaviour across successive generations and consciously decide to change that because that isn't good, but this is because they don't have the mental capacity for that level of thought (from what we can tell).
The thing this caller doesn’t realize is to say on one hand, you have a crisis of belief in marriage and its relation to religion… Goes completely counter to the words that he said “I never questioned my religion at all“
… If you’re not going to question your religion at all… You are not allowed to have those crises in life… Because your religion has everything mapped out for you… Basically, you have no choice in the matter… I don’t think it’s your marriage or your idea of marriage that you need to evaluate… It’s your idea of choice of belief in religion
My parents divorced hardcore Christians. Hubby and I agnostic (him) & atheist (me) 22 years happily married so...
I love the statistics on women abandoning chess during puberty for societary reasons to disprove the "men are X" argument. It is a good nature vs nurture chatting experiment.
@Technic Who sent you here to lie to us with the same propaganda over and over again? Who? Please tell us who sent you.
How many people stay in toxic and abusive relationships because of that "threat"? Low divorce rate doesn't tell us the quality of these relationships.
The big question is: who wrote the Scriptures, and what percentage of them were male? 100%. Would you expect equality from them?
Religious people stay together but hate eachother's guts. People fall out of love. They shouldn't be stuck with one another for life if they're not happy.
" New Testament > Data "
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Divorce isnt wrong
So stay with an abuser? Grow up
@@joshsheridan9511 they said divorce is NOT wrong lol
@@Velarias99801 my bad
My apologies it to damn early in the morning
@@joshsheridan9511 might be worth putting a strikethrough across that first post, just letting people know you f*ed up due to an excess of blood in your coffee system. 🤣
the Kama Sutra is a categorically better guide for relationships than the Bible. not that i cosign everything in the Kama Sutra, but if even a few of the things in it work for your relationship, you will have gained more benefit than you would from the Bible.
Just for the record - when I studied logic at university - I was told that women tended to get the higher grades.
@@clara_bow No - it was because women got the higher grades.
What are you talking about? He was right, the women in the class did get the highest grades. The exam was not subjective - it was logic problems since logic is an offshoot of mathematics. Why do you have a problem acknowledging that women are better at certain things? Maybe you are the one with a problem? I have a PhD - I suppose you are going to find some other reason why I have one despite the fact that I had an A+ average as an undergrad?
@@clara_bow Found the caveman
@@clara_bow Unlike you?? You are funny
@@clara_bow OK neanderthal
10:05 I mean thats true
Not sure how we can claim that marriage predates "religion". Marriage and "religion" both predate written history.
That said marriage; the inheritance rights of widows; and stories that mention married couples all exist in multiples sources that predate the first hint of the Abrahamic religions by centuries.
Why do I need to register my love for someone with the government?
is it just me, or are we hearing a lot of "ends justifies the means" lately?
All we have heard for the last two thousand years is belief in the unbelievable justified with bullshit.
As a response to the title, the Bible is not two things; it is not a single book with one author, but 66+ books written over 1,000 years with various and contrasting view points and different genres. It also is not a treatise on theology or marriage or a myriad of other subjects. What we call theology is the result of several thousand years of philosophical interaction. The ancient writers of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament were hardly trying to write a guide to life, although the Proverbs would be an exception. Much of the prophets are chastising the ancient people for either polytheism or bad behaviors like lying, theft, and not treating the lower classes with dignity. The narrative portions are recording ancient history but usually to serve a certain point. All in all, like any story from any culture, there are motifs and morals (as in “the moral of the story is…”) to take away from them and these take-aways were directed to a particular ethnic community.
I am not surprised of his view from a country like Armenia. Third world of Europe.
Has he ever heard of The Dahomey Mino? A female warrior tribe! It would be fun to see him having a chat with them, about his views on what females are capable of 🤣🤣🤣. I wish people would read MORE 📚 📚...
"Men and women are different." Yes. Yes they are. There is some difference in how a male versus female brain processes information but given that nothing, and especially brains, are binary it's only a grain of truth.
The only thing that science can claim about male versus female brains is that areas of activity light up differently. They did some really cool scans on cis women versus trans women and cis men versus trans men, and the activity of the trans women matched the cis women and vice versa, the trans men brains lit up the same as the cis men.
13:38 A the end of your wonderful "réparté", this caller sounds like he hasn't heard a word you said. Is there a name for that ... 'quality'?
Considering the other shows I have ssen so far, there is a term for that "quality": religious zealot. Or religious extremist. You can choose.
When it comes to Biblical marriage, I look at the 700 odd wives of King Solomon.
The Church tells the wife to deal with the abuse and obey her husband.
I stayed in an abusive marriage for many years because of Christianity. I’m content & happy now even though I am financially worse off. Pastors & religious people encourage women to be better wives so husbands treat them better. It’s sick!
How can it be when God supposedly wants a relationship based on invisibility? Invisibility is not an act of love.
Forrest, your face is not stupid!
The bible permits divorce in certain circumstances.
Forrest: "Christians get divorced more frequently or just as often as atheists..."
Caller: "Well, those christians obviously aren't doing it right. I'm only talking about this small, personally groomed sample that confirms my bias!"
Re the in-group and out-group differences between men and women, this is all about averages.
You might say that some trait for men is on average 50, and for women it's on average 60. And yeah, that is a clear difference, but it's just an average. If you look at the actual distributions, you may find that men range from 20 to 80, whereas women range from 30 to 90. In that case, despite men having a lower average, a third of all women (30-50) would be below the average man, and 83% of women would fall within the 20-80 range that men are in.
There would be far too much overlap there to say men are like this and women are like this.
People who make these claims tend to not understand averages, or they do, and they're just trying to support their messed-up views.
I like to tell the Christian ladies the Song of Solomon 4:1-2, "Your hair is like a flock of goats🐐 descending from Mount Gilead. Your teeth are like a flock of sheep 🐑 just shorn, coming up from the washing. Each has its twin; not one of them alone."🤣
All the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings KNOW and understand that they are NOT believers of the Christ's TRUTHS and righteousness about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead and NOT worshippers too of the loving, kind, and merciful God and Father of Jesus Christ.
The loving, kind, and merciful God and Father of Jesus Christ KNOWS that all the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings are worshippers of his enemy, the worthless and foolish Satan the Devil.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that all the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings are preachers and spreaders of the LIES and foolishness of his enemies about Armageddon, Trinity, hellfire, rapture, and reincarnation.
All the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful atheists, agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings KNOW and understand that they will just grow old, suffer, get sick, get weak and weaker, die, and become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
Jesus Christ and his God and Father KNOW that too.
@@jaflenbond7854 Well yes, god is OMNISCIENT. He already KNOWS this. Why doesn't he just gather up the few that will go to heaven, and just be done with it? He already KNOWS the outcome. What's he beating around the bush for? Unless...he doesn't exist.
@@Danny451 The God and Father of Jesus Christ KNOWS that all the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings are NOT his worshippers.
All the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful atheists, agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings KNOW and understand that they rejected the God and Father of Jesus Christ as useless and unworthy to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God.
All the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful atheists, agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings KNOW and understand that they will just grow old, suffer, get sick, get weak and weaker, die, and become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
Jesus Christ and his God and Father KNOW that too.
@@jaflenbond7854 Once again, Jaffles demonstrates to the world that he himself is the *PROOF* that the
g0d he thinks he believes is real cannot possibly exist!
The atheist movement needs more advocates like Jaffles!
@@holgerlubotzki3469 The God and Father of Jesus Christ KNOWS that all the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings are NOT his worshippers.
All the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful atheists, agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings KNOW and understand that they rejected the God and Father of Jesus Christ as useless and unworthy to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God.
All the great, glorious, intelligent, superior, and powerful atheists, agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, all liars, cruel, arrogant, and hateful human beings KNOW and understand that they will just grow old, suffer, get sick, get weak and weaker, die, and become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
Jesus Christ and his God and Father KNOW that too.
"marriage does not work outside of the bible" ..... are you sure about that???
I think this guy never visited India ......
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I'm sorry... Bonobo's are chill creatures? The apes that castrate the losers of fights, the apes that rip to shreds anyone who they think is inside their territory? Sure they are less powerful than Gorilla's but they are by no means less dangerous and aggressive
With a 98.5% DNA similarity to humans, bonobos should've made weapons of war by now.
With frickin’ lasers attached to their heads!
@@ajclements4627 Stop humping the fricken' laser!
Horrid creatures. To similar to us in some ways.
@@ookeekthelibrarian The University of none of your damn business
Oh FFS, Forest pulled up actual science, but this guy says “my personal experience” is better “proof”. What is actually wrong with people?
My grandma spent 60yrs in an abusive relationship cus her religion forbade divorce
Uh. Sorry, but, men and women brains ARE different... There are general characteristics between the two. Statements like "men are more logical" might not be true, but there are characteristics that do, GENERALLY, belong to one gender or the other. . .
No...
Anyone who thinks women are emotional needs to watch men watching their favourite sport lol
"Is the Bible A Good Source Of Advice For Successful Marriage"? For some, yes, it is a constant and valuable resource for navigating the ups and downs of marriage and in all walks of life. Particularly John 3 16, which focuses our eyes with gratitude upon the mercy and undeserved grace and forgiveness we have been given so that we may offer the same to others in our own lives, as each need arises.
I agree. For some, definitely.
Ah yes, if you _suspect,_ but have no actual evidence that your wife cheated on you, you can take her to the priest so that he can poison her a little bit. If she survives and it turns out you were wrong and simply wouldn't believe her, you are fine, nothing bad happens to the husband. If she was unfaithful, you are "justified" in your forced abortion and subsequent life long injury (if she survives).
What great relationship advice Bible!
I wouldn't say viewihg your wife as property would be a good thing. Or the woman submitted to her husbands whims. I reckon basing your life on any book isn't very smart.
@@ookeekthelibrarian So what have you found is the best way for a happy, successful marriage?
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 So what have you found is the best way for a happy, successful marriage?
When you argue with women, they will naturally devolve a logical debate into an emotional debate, so they don’t have to face the truth
Likewise:
when you argue with an atheist, they will naturally devolve a spiritual debate into a logical debate, so they too, won’t have to face the truth
So, an individual using logic to find an explanation for things means they’re avoiding the truth? Yeah no, bud.
Logical debates are subject to factual information. Facts supersed truth since the latter is perspective based. Unsure if you were aware that you're unverifiable claim just means athiests agrue with logic instead of spiritual faith. Hope you revise your thoughts on this.
@@jesseholland2881 truth takes NO perspective,
facts are a distortion of the truth, because facts require a dualistic ego to idealistically assume their objectivity
What you idealize as “fact” is actually the truth
Facts are secondary descriptors of truth, and facts are truth, yet all facts are inherently half-truths within duality
All claims are verifiable, for all inherently exists, therefore All is Ultimately Self Evident, for All is Self
Atheists argue with spiritual faith, yet they condense it into a distortion called logic, that they might tacitly deny their implicit faith in a seemingly justifiable way
This is the nature of the atheist, god created atheists to deny him, god incarnates as the self to deny the Self, for god accepts All possibilities
There is no revision in creation, except for egos who must deal in karma
You may expand your consciousness or “raise your vibration” as the new age hippies say, to fathom what I have said
Or you can stay in your logic, eating your holographic steak forever
@@EyeonthePrize247 it means they’re avoiding the total truth for a half-truth
All is inherently truth
That said, within duality, logic and explanation are secondary distortions of what is most obvious
Logic is valid, for all things are inherently valid,
Yet you cling to its supposed validity
As if you could ever deduce anything
And that your deduction be correct or relevant
Anyone in the TH-cam comment section, including my ego, as well as yours, is avoiding the totality by incarnating at all to have such meaningless debates
The Bible is right. There is a God.
Wow. What a great argument.
I’m now convinced.
The problem isn't the book. The problem is people listening to it or not. We live in a society with a 50% divorce rate. That says a lot, I think.
Yes it says people are no longer willing to be unhappy just because a book says they should.
@@ookeekthelibrarian yes. At least in the state I live in. Not sure about every state. I'm in Florida.
I will say again……..
It is like the Royal Navy again
Who is remembered
Fkn Forrest
??????
An Aroema pleasing to the Lord.
@@TBomb39 are you saying my name sound like a fragrance? .. criticizing my culture.. how dare you
@@aroemaliuged4776 Which culture? The one who believes in the great god of word salad?
@@johnscaramis2515
For a skeptic to be so delusional as to my position is 👍
@@johnscaramis2515
I was skeptical of the position taken
And you think that makes me a cult member…
Try harder
1st
Goddamnit Im pissed now I thought I was going to be first fuckfuckfuckfuuuuuck
@@DatHombre Well, if it helps... Happy almost being firsties...
@@DatHombre 🤣🤣
so what happens when a guy identifies as a girl who identifies as a guy?? Does that make the guy a guy?
WTF has that got to do with the upload?
@@ookeekthelibrarian I've seen a few of you use seppo and I don't know if I should be insulted or not😁
@@joshsheridan9511 "seppo" is Australian slang for an American. It derives from rhyming slang where "yank" = "septic tank".
@@holgerlubotzki3469 good to know, thanks
Their has been so many working class men I have known…
Engineers that couldn’t get jobs
Engineers who use the word "their" when they should use "there" can't get jobs because good engineers can read, write, spell, and punctuate.
@@ookeekthelibrarian His version of "so many engineers who" is like me farting in bed. I farted in bed one time back in 1992 and for the rest of my life all I have heard is "You are always farting in bed!"
@@ookeekthelibrarian and once again you are showing your true colours…. English for dummies…. A bit racist ooo eek…. The librarian who thinks he’s a doctor…?who thinks he’s a librarian 😂
@@ookeekthelibrarian I’m still waiting for your credentials., doctor
@@ookeekthelibrarian the attempted feminization of men
And to make jk Rowling an enemy… will live forever in the memory