It is kind of cringe when they try to farm nostalgia from older characters all the time. Like how Illidan said things like "YOU ARE NOT PREPAREEEEED!" all the time during Legion
@@Surtur99 I agree with you generally, but not on this particular instance. "Merely a setback" is a very infamous meme, and Blizz famously likes leaning into the community-created memes. They even had Hogger say "Elwynn Forest merely setback!" in Cataclysm, so I really don't think this warrants a cynical response.
@@ekin4260 That's a bit cringe, though. It's like the current writers can't actually write anything good or memorable enough to become a meme, so they just recycle the memes and turn WoW into some sort of comical themepark of worn out tropes and tired-ass memes...
And he's still being portrayed out of character. Unless of course his personality remains partially altered by the insanity he suffered before his demise. Anyone who played WC3 and knew Kael before all this, knows that he was both determined and humble. A good Elf who gradually faltered under the pressure of a leadership role that he never wanted. He was never stuck up or bragging about his powers like some sort of pampered brat.
@@NeptuFawkes Yeah so did carry the madness with him. I'm just amazed how out of character he is even without the wild energies of the Netherstorm driving him insane. But if they're going to make an arc out of it then it's worth seeing. It'd be nice to see him become himself again.
@@justinwallace269 I totally agree. I miss the original Kael from W3 who was an amazing character you could really get behind. I'm sorry they're treating him like this. The only hope I see is that they have enough awareness ot realize that this is not actually him but only some rest possession or something. I also don't like the fact that he started insisting on calling himself the "Sun King". I hope they're tracking back to his actual characterisation, even if it's in a way where they don't have to openly admit their mistakes in TBC (making him a raid boss and writing around that decision). If that really can't be retconned at all, sure, whatever, just make him the awesome anti-hero again and write around that decision. I'm just really afraid that at this point they retconned his entire character to fit their weird decisions and clichés about him. It seems almost like they'd like us to forget, and accept. But one can always hope.
Also I really liked the Dream Team of Illidan, Kael, and Vashj. We got to see way too little of them but they were truly awesome and looking great together. The true outsiders in Outland. I don't think the original plan for W3 Kael was to have him betray Illidan.
@@glanni Indeed, I totally agree that's exactly what they're doing. This is the problem when they switch up (arbitrarily layoff) writers and don't keep track of their own lore. Blizzard has always had a halfhearted devotion to consistency in their writing, but it's only getting worse the more Activision puts money ahead of art. This is honestly one of the reasons I quit WoW earlier this month and decided to dedicate that time to writing my own books. I've had enough of living in their universe where they don't respect their own characters or the fans. That and outdated gameplay and endless grind has become tedious to me.
I really hope that Lor'themar talks to Kael'thas in this expac, Lor'themar respected Kael'thas as a leader until he betrayed them. Even if it's just a few lines of dialogue I'd still like to see an interaction between the two of them.
Would definitely like to see a conversation between Kale and Lorthemar. Maybe catch up on Silvermoon since Kale last saw it. To add to that a Sylvanas conversation would also be most interesting. "Hey, we're both elves. Both undead. Both screwed by life. Both into humans. So you wanna like take over the world or something?"
Man i really wish they never did what they did with Kael'thas. Blood elf campaign from Frozen Throne is still one my favorite gaming moments, especially the first two chapters, Kael'thas fighting with what's left of his people to reclaim the future and pride of his people, while having to deal with awful circumstances outside his control, i wish his story didn't get so tangled up with Illidan's but i guess he didn't have a choice, only wish they didn't turn him into badly made clone of Arthas. His character could have been so much more and better. One of my biggest WoW regrets.
But in hindsight, splitting the factions up into the wc3 counterparts would probably have served the "story" and "world" better. It didn't make a lot of sense to group everyone on two teams, I think that's probably where they missed out the most, but if they ever consider making a "new" WoW, creating more factions, and giving more agency to the different races would've been really nice. (Also introduce Nagas, they were such an integral part to the story as well, but then again, more raid-bosses is probably the goal here)
@@liva9994 Thing is Nagas were considered for a playable race but Blizz scrapped that due to the awkward implementation of pants on them when they gear lol
@@liva9994 TBH They could literally just make them Sea Worgen. Can shift between Naga forms and NE forms. I know they can't right now, but It's something they could implement.
@@evoxghiretti Exactly what I wanted to write. I had been already forming sentences in my head until I read your comment xD. They would just make a story like they are some redeemed/half redeemed naga and through a questline in basic location they would get the ability to shift to nelf form and ride them mounts.
I like how the stories of Bastion, Maldraxxus, and Revendreth are all wound together and have so much interplay and meanwhile Ardenweald is just off in the corner like "mmmmm trees."
@@raviolijesus6181 Bastion folks go to Maldraxxus, then to Revendreth. Revendreth folks go to Maldraxxus, then to Bastion. Maldraxxus folks work with Bastion on their home turf, and then go to Revendreth. Ardenweald has, so far, taken place entirely in Ardenweald with a hint of Torghast.
Ardenwealed's got the whole Night Warrior plot with Tyrande happening at the moment. People have just forgotten that Tyrande jumped into the Maw BEFORE us and is on a murderous rampage trying to get to the Banshee Queen. I suspect something exceptionally dramatic is gonna happen between them a patch or two down the line.
I dont think they even give him his redemption, hes still just being emasculated and spanked. The writing teams have really shat on Kael'thas and I am thankful they have tried to inject him back in to try to wrap up and resolve that sloppy writing, but they either need to stop or actually give him justice, this half-attempt where he's emasculated is killing me. Maybe its just me - i feel like they even emasculate Thrall in this expansion. For those that don't know the history, Kael'thas is a hero. He was studying in Dalaran when Arthas killed his father. He is a shy, benevolent, caring prince. He raced home and blew up the Sunwell to stop the scourge from pouring through, saving the Eastern Kingdoms but sentencing his own people to mana starvation. Boats of fleeing belf children were sunk and 90% of his people were slaughtered. He moved to strike back at the scourge with his last handful of fighters and Garithos, the epic racist who hates all who are non-human, sent him alone to face impending doom knowing he would be overwhelmed and perish. The Naga Vashj shows up and offers aide and together, Vashj and Kael'thas forces are successful against the scourge. Garithos is displeased by this and now has the excuse he's needed to eradicate Kael. He deems Kael a traitor for working with the Naga, of course he despises the Naga also, and uses this a justification to throw Kael and his men in prison to rot for the next thousand or so years, or however long belfs live. Luckily Vashj breaks Kael out of jail, but at this point his people are dying without their sunwell. He writes of his hesitation to make a pact with Illidan to save his people, considering it a necessary evil, but then he and his people are considered traitors for that and that's how belfs joined the Horde. Then we got the Retcon. The moment Kael sets a toe in Outland he is suddenly a mustachioed villian who turns on his people and is fully corrupted. Even though we have Void elves and Illidari demon hunters who are totally okay with demonic energy now, even though we have Illidan who is a legend now, even though Illidan had a castle of slaves and concubines and we sat through a whole expansion getting lectured by holy characters for going after Illidan with hate in our hearts, Illidan who blows up a Naaru and even the high prophet himself doesn't blink an eye..... Thats all fine, but Kael? Nope, he has to go to hell and get spanked and emasculated for who knows how many eons. He doesn't even get to see Vashj. Mind you she doesn't get spanked for eons, she goes straight to Maldraxxus to have some fun. This writing is awful. (Blood elves without their sunwell are wretched. Nightborne without their nightwell are withered. There was even a Nightborne boss we had to fight in a raid who thought she had to side with the legion to save her people, sound familiar? Rinse and repeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the universe, but the writing team needs to consist of people who care about the warcraft universe and its characters and who have the talent and creativity to handle it.) The Retcon of Kael'thas the moment he touched Outland was sloppy, he was used as a prop to make a quick dramatic story. If you get the Artifact weapon, Felo'melorn, you get to read 1 page about how Kael reforged it (his father's sword) and how he fought Arthas with it over and over and over, countless times, and neither could best the other, but in the entire wrath of the lich king we don't get a glimpse of that, only that Sylvanas is the brave hero that dare go after Arthas. At least the teams at Blizzard cared enough to bring him back in the blood elf heritage armor quest to give you a glimpse of who he really was. And I'm thankful they tried to incorporate him into the new story in Shadowlands, but all they've done is deny his justice and torment him for the retconning while everyone else is skipping around like its a Disney story. I'm afraid at this point the next thing we will see is that Sylvanas is a hero who just had to kill her own to give us freedom from fate and everyone will be happy and good is evil and evil is good, but still fcvk Kael right? He alone will still magically just have to pay for crap he had no choice in and awful writing with no resolution, no justice, nothing. They couldnt even let him play a hand in taking out Kel'Thuzad. Ysera gets a whole redemption story but Kael is spanked like a petulant child, an uttery mockery of who he is before the retcon. I am sticking with my head cannon that he made a humunculous of himself and actually peaced out from WoW years ago and went on to Dota2 as the Invoker (who is based off Carl / Kael) to do something more sensible with his eons of knowledge and time. I love WoW and will probably always play it, but I will never stop calling out this horsecrap.
@@evoxghiretti Plot twist, he helps Zoval take over the Shadowlands, only to then betray Zoval and put Arthas in his place as the true King of the Dead.
@@alexander.tahtadjian You and the leaders are surrounded in the Maw, with the comrades you've made in the various realms of the Shadowlands. Suddenly, Arthas rides in on Invincible, carving a path through the enemies "Glad I could make it, Uther?"
actually having Kael'thas as an ally is so cool, loved him since warcraft III, if only we could see Anub'arak next and have him be our ally, he would fit well in Maldraxxus he died for his people and died after being imprisoned by the Lich King twice.
Dunno, i think since nerubians are Old Gods creation, i think they go to another realm, since i didn't see any other creature that directly created by old gods in SL
@Bob The same could be said about Alexandros since he was a believer of the Light (Though it with the same connection as Tirion I think due to the DK order hall in Legion), not to mention that many of races of WoW are constructs of the Titans that were alter in some way (natural or unnatural) yet still arrives in the Shadowlands. Maybe a very large infinity in one of the cosmic forces determines a person's afterlife (like old god with the void, wild gods with the Shadowlands/emerald dream).
Agreed, glad to have him back, love the game, but so upset with the writing team. The writing teams have really shat on Kael'thas and I am thankful they have tried to inject him back in to try to wrap up and resolve that sloppy writing, but they either need to stop or actually give him justice, this half-attempt where he's emasculated is killing me. Maybe its just me - i feel like they even emasculate Thrall in this expansion. For those that don't know the history, Kael'thas is a hero. He was studying in Dalaran when Arthas killed his father. He is a shy, benevolent, caring prince. He raced home and blew up the Sunwell to stop the scourge from pouring through, saving the Eastern Kingdoms but sentencing his own people to mana starvation. Boats of fleeing belf children were sunk and 90% of his people were slaughtered. He moved to strike back at the scourge with his last handful of fighters and Garithos, the epic racist who hates all who are non-human, sent him alone to face impending doom knowing he would be overwhelmed and perish. The Naga Vashj shows up and offers aide and together, Vashj and Kael'thas forces are successful against the scourge. Garithos is displeased by this and now has the excuse he's needed to eradicate Kael. He deems Kael a traitor for working with the Naga, of course he despises the Naga also, and uses this a justification to throw Kael and his men in prison to rot for the next thousand or so years, or however long belfs live. Luckily Vashj breaks Kael out of jail, but at this point his people are dying without their sunwell. He writes of his hesitation to make a pact with Illidan to save his people, considering it a necessary evil, but then he and his people are considered traitors for that and that's how belfs joined the Horde. Then we got the Retcon. The moment Kael sets a toe in Outland he is suddenly a mustachioed villian who turns on his people and is fully corrupted. Even though we have Void elves and Illidari demon hunters who are totally okay with demonic energy now, even though we have Illidan who is a legend now, even though Illidan had a castle of slaves and concubines and we sat through a whole expansion getting lectured by holy characters for going after Illidan with hate in our hearts, Illidan who blows up a Naaru and even the high prophet himself doesn't blink an eye..... Thats all fine, but Kael? Nope, he has to go to hell and get spanked and emasculated for who knows how many eons. He doesn't even get to see Vashj. Mind you she doesn't get spanked for eons, she goes straight to Maldraxxus to have some fun. This writing is awful. (Blood elves without their sunwell are wretched. Nightborne without their nightwell are withered. There was even a Nightborne boss we had to fight in a raid who thought she had to side with the legion to save her people, sound familiar? Rinse and repeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the universe, but the writing team needs to consist of people who care about the warcraft universe and its characters and who have the talent and creativity to handle it.) The Retcon of Kael'thas the moment he touched Outland was sloppy, he was used as a prop to make a quick dramatic story. If you get the Artifact weapon, Felo'melorn, you get to read 1 page about how Kael reforged it (his father's sword) and how he fought Arthas with it over and over and over, countless times, and neither could best the other, but in the entire wrath of the lich king we don't get a glimpse of that, only that Sylvanas is the brave hero that dare go after Arthas. At least the teams at Blizzard cared enough to bring him back in the blood elf heritage armor quest to give you a glimpse of who he really was. And I'm thankful they tried to incorporate him into the new story in Shadowlands, but all they've done is deny his justice and torment him for the retconning while everyone else is skipping around like its a Disney story. I'm afraid at this point the next thing we will see is that Sylvanas is a hero who just had to kill her own to give us freedom from fate and everyone will be happy and good is evil and evil is good, but still fcvk Kael right? He alone will still magically just have to pay for crap he had no choice in and awful writing with no resolution, no justice, nothing. They couldnt even let him play a hand in taking out Kel'Thuzad. Ysera gets a whole redemption story but Kael is spanked like a petulant child, an uttery mockery of who he is before the retcon. I am sticking with my head cannon that he made a humunculous of himself and actually peaced out from WoW years ago and went on to Dota2 as the Invoker (who is based off Carl / Kael) to do something more sensible with his eons of knowledge and time. I love WoW and will probably always play it, but I will never stop calling out this horsecrap.
Nah he was all hatred and revenge in warcraft 3 as well when he talk with tyrande and garithos and he faces to Arthas he came all the way down to northern and support willingly to illdan against arthas he said his precious lich king and other when he was with illdan we will destroy the frozen throne as you command with hatred tone soo you miss that? B
Hiya Folks! The Burning Crusade was MERELY a setback. I’ve been waiting ages for this one. The TBC expansion is the one that needs to atone for its sins, not Kale the veggie prince. Arthas & KT’s invasion of Quel’thalas is one of my favorite arcs from W3, one that could be a movie all on its own. (Sylvanas' death, Anasterian’s Fall, Sunwell Corrupted). Here come's the return of the Sun King. Vashj-Kale reunion when? Here kitty, kitty! No, you can’t copy this one you dingleberry. And as always, a big thank you to Molly & Jenny for your help and hard work!
YES The writing teams have really shat on Kael'thas and I am thankful they have tried to inject him back in to try to wrap up and resolve that sloppy writing, but they either need to stop or actually give him justice, this half-attempt where he's emasculated is killing me. Maybe its just me - i feel like they even emasculate Thrall in this expansion. For those that don't know the history, Kael'thas is a hero. He was studying in Dalaran when Arthas killed his father. He is a shy, benevolent, caring prince. He raced home and blew up the Sunwell to stop the scourge from pouring through, saving the Eastern Kingdoms but sentencing his own people to mana starvation. Boats of fleeing belf children were sunk and 90% of his people were slaughtered. He moved to strike back at the scourge with his last handful of fighters and Garithos, the epic racist who hates all who are non-human, sent him alone to face impending doom knowing he would be overwhelmed and perish. The Naga Vashj shows up and offers aide and together, Vashj and Kael'thas forces are successful against the scourge. Garithos is displeased by this and now has the excuse he's needed to eradicate Kael. He deems Kael a traitor for working with the Naga, of course he despises the Naga also, and uses this a justification to throw Kael and his men in prison to rot for the next thousand or so years, or however long belfs live. Luckily Vashj breaks Kael out of jail, but at this point his people are dying without their sunwell. He writes of his hesitation to make a pact with Illidan to save his people, considering it a necessary evil, but then he and his people are considered traitors for that and that's how belfs joined the Horde. Then we got the Retcon. The moment Kael sets a toe in Outland he is suddenly a mustachioed villian who turns on his people and is fully corrupted. Even though we have Void elves and Illidari demon hunters who are totally okay with demonic energy now, even though we have Illidan who is a legend now, even though Illidan had a castle of slaves and concubines and we sat through a whole expansion getting lectured by holy characters for going after Illidan with hate in our hearts, Illidan who blows up a Naaru and even the high prophet himself doesn't blink an eye..... Thats all fine, but Kael? Nope, he has to go to hell and get spanked and emasculated for who knows how many eons. He doesn't even get to see Vashj. Mind you she doesn't get spanked for eons, she goes straight to Maldraxxus to have some fun. This writing is awful. (Blood elves without their sunwell are wretched. Nightborne without their nightwell are withered. There was even a Nightborne boss we had to fight in a raid who thought she had to side with the legion to save her people, sound familiar? Rinse and repeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the universe, but the writing team needs to consist of people who care about the warcraft universe and its characters and who have the talent and creativity to handle it.) The Retcon of Kael'thas the moment he touched Outland was sloppy, he was used as a prop to make a quick dramatic story. If you get the Artifact weapon, Felo'melorn, you get to read 1 page about how Kael reforged it (his father's sword) and how he fought Arthas with it over and over and over, countless times, and neither could best the other, but in the entire wrath of the lich king we don't get a glimpse of that, only that Sylvanas is the brave hero that dare go after Arthas. At least the teams at Blizzard cared enough to bring him back in the blood elf heritage armor quest to give you a glimpse of who he really was. And I'm thankful they tried to incorporate him into the new story in Shadowlands, but all they've done is deny his justice and torment him for the retconning while everyone else is skipping around like its a Disney story. I'm afraid at this point the next thing we will see is that Sylvanas is a hero who just had to kill her own to give us freedom from fate and everyone will be happy and good is evil and evil is good, but still fcvk Kael right? He alone will still magically just have to pay for crap he had no choice in and awful writing with no resolution, no justice, nothing. They couldnt even let him play a hand in taking out Kel'Thuzad. Ysera gets a whole redemption story but Kael is spanked like a petulant child, an uttery mockery of who he is before the retcon. I am sticking with my head cannon that he made a humunculous of himself and actually peaced out from WoW years ago and went on to Dota2 as the Invoker (who is based off Carl / Kael) to do something more sensible with his eons of knowledge and time. I love WoW and will probably always play it, but I will never stop calling out this horsecrap.
@ 2:11, if you happen to be a blood elf character, Kael'thas will instead say: "Hmph. It must be so humiliating for you to see your beloved prince in chains."
Very well done. I like how you are providing these, so that people who don't have the time to play each Covenant storyline can experience everything in the expansion.
I guess in his mind, he has made the perfect plan and wants others to hear about how good it is. Like the villain leaving the hero to die in their trap because the trap is _that_ good.
@@cameronmcewen9666 where did people get the idea that Kael’thas was angry about that? That was *years* earlier and it was never stated that he was angry about it. You do know that it IS possible to respect someone enough that you want to see them happy even if it’s not with you right? Jaina chose Arthas and got stuck with the consequences of that choice. What she had to go through was horrific. Even if Kael’thas had been angry, what would be the point of carrying it on? Didn’t the lady suffer enough? She had to help kill the man she once loved. That’s not something anyone should have to do. What would be the use in pubishing her now? Surely, she has suffered enough as a result of that choice.
@@MegaHelloKitty4 WTF, maybe Jailor Illidan 2.0, we knew much more about Illidan. I believe that Sargeras take possession of Illidan and try to control him. Maybe at the end of Shadowlands or the next patch, because Sargeras tried before to destroy the Shadowlands.
This is how Heroes of the Storm happened; we just got a glimpse of it in-game (speaking of which, I better see some new Kael'thas skins available in a future patch!)
@@mackparker9064 I thought it was different too, but I think they changed the way they record it. I don't know how to explain it, but there is something different about it.
I just checked imdb. It's still the same actors, Michael McConnohie for Kelthuzad, and Quinton Flynn for Kael'thas. Considering Warcraft 3 was almost 20 years ago, maybe their voices aged?
Meanwhile in ardenweald. "These masked guys are stealing our spirit seeds and they're controlled by the drust from bfa who are here for some reason." "Oh thats...weird. Can the winter queen do something about it? "No shes busy looking at stuff with a forlorn gaze. Also ysera is in one of the seeds" "Oh I guess thats pretty neat, anything else?" "An old troll guy in a dress is also stealing seeds."
Kael's story from life into the SL is pretty of tragic when you think about, sure he may have always been arrogant and may have been destined for Revendreth nonetheless, but his true sins of enslaving Outland and joining the Legion probably would have never happened if the Scourge hadn't ravaged his people and homeland. I'm hoping for some sort of Arthas redemption (since all of his actions after taking up Frostmourne weren't of his own will) but Kael absolutely deserves to end Kel'thuzad for being the primary reason for the Sunwell's corruption.
he really wasnt particularly arrogant before TBC messed up his character. as for arthas, I mean, he already massacred the mercenaries he hired before he even took up frostmourne.
@@lenkagamine4145 TBC certainly did Kael's character no favors, but before that he did at least have an arrogant personality. Whether that's enough to be sent to Revendreth is debateable and perhaps he would have been a better fit for Maldraxxus had he not joined the Legion (after all, Vashj ended up there even though she too played a role in enslaving Outland). And agreed, Arthas was far down on the path of vengeance and certainly not innocent by the time he took up Frostmourne, I'm just saying he doesn't bear as much responsibility for Quel'thalas as compared to Kel'thuzad. And all things considered, he was sent to the Maw without being judged by the Arbiter, so he at the very least deserves that.
@@kungfuvoodoo9889 Hrm, I dunno about that. I'm watching all of kael'thas's scenes from warcraft 3 right now as I type this, and at least in his interactions with the night elves early on he is entirely courteous.
@@lenkagamine4145 Having an arrogant and courteous side aren't necessarily mutually exclusive and I'm not saying he was arrogant to a fault prior to joining Illidan and the Legion (again, TBC didn't do the best at writing him, but there was at least some prior basis to his arrogant personality type being a lot more exaggerated), the main parts in WC3 that gave me the impression of his arrogant side were his retorts to Garithos in saying fixing the observation towers was beneath him and his people when he wanted to be on the frontlines and a few other moments mostly in the Belf and Undead campaign when talking pridefully about his and his people's strength. I suppose you could say that's just taking his rightful pride, but I guess it just depends on where you draw the line between pride and arrogance. At any rate, my point is that Revendreth's requisites for souls to be sent there seems to be based on crimes one has committed, some deep personality flaw, or some combination of the two. Garrosh being there is kind of it's own conversation that's relevant here too, "Garrosh did nothing wrong" meme aside, there are certainly some legitimate debates on whether some of his actions could be considered crimes or just misunderstood attempts to defend his own people against those he viewed as threats (if you've ever read the Shattering novel or done the Horde Stonetalon Mountain questline which Blizz did technically say was the result of different story teams during Cata, those do help show him in a more positive light), but none can refute that he was arrogant. And as I said about Vashj, she too was an active participant in enslaving people in Outland, in fact now that I think about it, most places in TBC that used Broken Slaves tended to be run by Vashj's naga and her boss quote was basically about using the slaves to funnel all of Outland's precious water supplies to her, so it kind of gives the impression that she was exploiting the slaves the most compared to Illidan and Kael. Yet she ended up in Maldraxxus. I guess in this case though, it might be that it was her "warrior" spirit that qualified her for that, she does say that she chose her Naga form rather than original Night Elf because in life she preferred being valued for her strength over her beauty. At any rate, hopefully this little lorenerd rant helps explain my point a bit better?
@@kungfuvoodoo9889 I dunno, I mean, in context of TBC obviously kael'thas was arrogant at the time of his death. I just dont really see that much in the context of warcraft 3. I mean, I guess if sarcasm counts as arrogance, but... I dunno man. I'm not outright disagreeing with any of hte placements of characters, as by the time of their death it makes sense, its just that, well, as I'm sure alot of other people also think, I'm not into the story developments that *made* it make sense.
@@JustAChinesePleb Arthas was better as Lich King, and the Prince Arthas more or less only existed to get to the good stuff. No hate, but you can tell when a character is made with the intention of turning them into a much more badass villain in act 2
@elviade then why did he have to go to the Sunwell Plateau to summon Kil'Jaeden? Because he had captured Anveena (was that her name, cant remember) the personification of the Sunwell, and was using her.
9:45 Who is the "blind half-night elf mongrel" he speaks of? edit: Illidan, of course! Derp! I was thinking "who the heck is a half-night elf and what is the other half? Human? Sin'Dorei?"
kaels old voice actor from wc3 was perfect, so much better than this new guy after quinten was fired. yet in the wc3 remake they made him a beefy he-man face, which doesn't fit him. and lore wise he was retconned twice, from turning him into a mustachioed cackling villian the moment he set foot in outland to a full on second retconning in shadowlands where he becomes a pompous childish brat which they punish him for, yet which he never was. he was retconned that that is what he was but he never really was that! and honestly he was a quiet spoken prince (yes with some princly arrogance but not evil) up until the retcon as you can see from his voice in wc3 and the books vs shadowlands and the new terrible voice actor. shame they shat on his lore so much, and to this day he's denied justice. the writing really is bad, or else so many people wouldn't be upset. you can bring in new material without tearing up lore of old beloved charchters. it's like in TBC when they first retconned him and just suddenly make him and Vashj ultimate evils cause they wanted a quick boss to throw in, but vashj being female gets off the hook like Sylvanas gets off for genocide, but kael and Arthas for things they couldn't control get punished....i say this as a woman. they wrecked what could've been endless awesome story to grow as kaels charchter devoloped to secure the belfs but instead they just knocked him off as cliched baddies. lazy stuff for deadlines and a quick check cause they needed a boss in tbc, now they are like Disney unable to create any new good stuff without milking the husks of good charachters. if they were respectful to kael and vashj true lore, we could be teaming up with them to kill the scourge and fight the sanlayn or even have kael lead the sanlayn in the better direction.... endless opportunities. or even just closure would've been nice for these long time heroes where kael at least gets justice. i can only cope by telling myself he made a clone of himself to leave in shadowlands, while the real him peaced out to Dota2 as the Invoker.
Blizzard bringing back old lore characters for the nostalgia (mutilating them in the process) is akin to going to Disney land and seeing people dressed as movie characters, knowing it's not actually them.
Interesting how a lowly man can rise and fall then rise again. Kel'thuzad must have been a servant to the jailor for a long time. It can't just be in this expansion. This must be what happens when one dies who is of powerful means. The jailor to my understanding could have been manipulating all of warcraft 3 frozen throne up until the latter events of wotlk. They made us believe it was Arthas, nerzhul and kelthuzad. No, it was the jailor as he stopped people from dying peacefully and being sorted into their realms like a Harry Potter sorting hat event. I get it. It makes sense. Bring balance to life and death as we prepare ourselves to do it against the light and the void (dark).
WC3 Kael'thas: Cool, and you understand his choices, and a really cool voice, WoW BC Kael'thas: Emo-kid and arrogant beyond measure, silly voice. Shadowlands Kael'thas: So far meh, still miss his WC3 voice actor.
@@podrickfookinpayne2329 It is? I didn't know, that was a surprise. He sounds so different, and I really don't like him in BC, and not so much in Shadowlands either. But thanks for correcting me on that.
@@0That_Guy0 Yeah, his delivery is very different, you can easily confuse him for a different actor. I personally wish he'd be more balanced between his War3 and HotS versions.
My main question is just... Is Kel'thuzad dead or alive? What happened after WotLK Naxxramas? Did we destroy his phylactery? I hope it's explained how Kel'thuzad made it to the realms of death and under the employ of the Jailor.
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He said it! He said the thing! Magister's Terrace was merely a setback!
10 lines pepePains
haha! best expansion ever! thanks blizz!
It is kind of cringe when they try to farm nostalgia from older characters all the time. Like how Illidan said things like "YOU ARE NOT PREPAREEEEED!" all the time during Legion
@@Surtur99 I agree with you generally, but not on this particular instance. "Merely a setback" is a very infamous meme, and Blizz famously likes leaning into the community-created memes. They even had Hogger say "Elwynn Forest merely setback!" in Cataclysm, so I really don't think this warrants a cynical response.
@@ekin4260 That's a bit cringe, though. It's like the current writers can't actually write anything good or memorable enough to become a meme, so they just recycle the memes and turn WoW into some sort of comical themepark of worn out tropes and tired-ass memes...
MERELY. A. SETBACK.
"Tempest keep was merely a setback. Magister's Terrace was merely a setback. World of Warcraft was merely a setback. Real World here I come!"
After countless failures. JUST AS PLANNED!!!!!
@@Athelarius Real world was merely a setback..
*VALANAR WILL HAVE HIS VENGEANCE!*
NAXXANAR WAS MERELY A SETBACK
And he's still being portrayed out of character. Unless of course his personality remains partially altered by the insanity he suffered before his demise. Anyone who played WC3 and knew Kael before all this, knows that he was both determined and humble. A good Elf who gradually faltered under the pressure of a leadership role that he never wanted. He was never stuck up or bragging about his powers like some sort of pampered brat.
When he died he was kinda an a-hole, betrayed his people and so on. The Venthyr questline is mostly about his redemption
@@NeptuFawkes Yeah so did carry the madness with him. I'm just amazed how out of character he is even without the wild energies of the Netherstorm driving him insane. But if they're going to make an arc out of it then it's worth seeing. It'd be nice to see him become himself again.
@@justinwallace269 I totally agree. I miss the original Kael from W3 who was an amazing character you could really get behind.
I'm sorry they're treating him like this.
The only hope I see is that they have enough awareness ot realize that this is not actually him but only some rest possession or something.
I also don't like the fact that he started insisting on calling himself the "Sun King".
I hope they're tracking back to his actual characterisation, even if it's in a way where they don't have to openly admit their mistakes in TBC (making him a raid boss and writing around that decision). If that really can't be retconned at all, sure, whatever, just make him the awesome anti-hero again and write around that decision.
I'm just really afraid that at this point they retconned his entire character to fit their weird decisions and clichés about him. It seems almost like they'd like us to forget, and accept.
But one can always hope.
Also I really liked the Dream Team of Illidan, Kael, and Vashj. We got to see way too little of them but they were truly awesome and looking great together. The true outsiders in Outland.
I don't think the original plan for W3 Kael was to have him betray Illidan.
@@glanni Indeed, I totally agree that's exactly what they're doing. This is the problem when they switch up (arbitrarily layoff) writers and don't keep track of their own lore. Blizzard has always had a halfhearted devotion to consistency in their writing, but it's only getting worse the more Activision puts money ahead of art.
This is honestly one of the reasons I quit WoW earlier this month and decided to dedicate that time to writing my own books. I've had enough of living in their universe where they don't respect their own characters or the fans. That and outdated gameplay and endless grind has become tedious to me.
I really hope that Lor'themar talks to Kael'thas in this expac, Lor'themar respected Kael'thas as a leader until he betrayed them. Even if it's just a few lines of dialogue I'd still like to see an interaction between the two of them.
Would definitely like to see a conversation between Kale and Lorthemar. Maybe catch up on Silvermoon since Kale last saw it. To add to that a Sylvanas conversation would also be most interesting. "Hey, we're both elves. Both undead. Both screwed by life. Both into humans. So you wanna like take over the world or something?"
@@Athelarius now when you said that. How about Jaina and Kael meeting?
probably in the next expansion.
As Taelia and Calia are doing their talks with one expansion of delay.
@@Athelarius I'd really love to see the interaction between kael'thas and my Queen
I expect some souls to, lets say, not stay in the Shadowlands after this expansion ends.
0:04 OH YES,HE SAID IT!
**applause**
He did the ting, he did it!
I just contributed to 69 likes, no one else dare like this comment or you'll be merely settbacked.
Man i really wish they never did what they did with Kael'thas. Blood elf campaign from Frozen Throne is still one my favorite gaming moments, especially the first two chapters, Kael'thas fighting with what's left of his people to reclaim the future and pride of his people, while having to deal with awful circumstances outside his control, i wish his story didn't get so tangled up with Illidan's but i guess he didn't have a choice, only wish they didn't turn him into badly made clone of Arthas.
His character could have been so much more and better. One of my biggest WoW regrets.
But in hindsight, splitting the factions up into the wc3 counterparts would probably have served the "story" and "world" better. It didn't make a lot of sense to group everyone on two teams, I think that's probably where they missed out the most, but if they ever consider making a "new" WoW, creating more factions, and giving more agency to the different races would've been really nice. (Also introduce Nagas, they were such an integral part to the story as well, but then again, more raid-bosses is probably the goal here)
@@liva9994 Thing is Nagas were considered for a playable race but Blizz scrapped that due to the awkward implementation of pants on them when they gear lol
@@Rashed-ep3uq What I heard was that mounts wouldn't work with them, but I wouldn't mind they made the races very different :P
@@liva9994 TBH They could literally just make them Sea Worgen. Can shift between Naga forms and NE forms. I know they can't right now, but It's something they could implement.
@@evoxghiretti Exactly what I wanted to write. I had been already forming sentences in my head until I read your comment xD. They would just make a story like they are some redeemed/half redeemed naga and through a questline in basic location they would get the ability to shift to nelf form and ride them mounts.
I like how the stories of Bastion, Maldraxxus, and Revendreth are all wound together and have so much interplay and meanwhile Ardenweald is just off in the corner like "mmmmm trees."
I think it's to sooth the players who are rightfully pissed that shadowlands got an expansion before the emerald dream did.
I’m confused. Ardenweald has you working with Ysera? How do the other covenants intertwine?
@@raviolijesus6181 Bastion folks go to Maldraxxus, then to Revendreth. Revendreth folks go to Maldraxxus, then to Bastion. Maldraxxus folks work with Bastion on their home turf, and then go to Revendreth. Ardenweald has, so far, taken place entirely in Ardenweald with a hint of Torghast.
Josie Bianchi yeah I see that. You’re totally right lmao
Ardenwealed's got the whole Night Warrior plot with Tyrande happening at the moment. People have just forgotten that Tyrande jumped into the Maw BEFORE us and is on a murderous rampage trying to get to the Banshee Queen. I suspect something exceptionally dramatic is gonna happen between them a patch or two down the line.
I hope he returns to his calmer voice when he gets his redemption
His wc3 voice
The voice he had before his character was butchered to be a raid boss.
I doubt they'll ever return to the original Kael'thas, sadly.
@@kaelthassunstrider5665 🕯️
I dont think they even give him his redemption, hes still just being emasculated and spanked. The writing teams have really shat on Kael'thas and I am thankful they have tried to inject him back in to try to wrap up and resolve that sloppy writing, but they either need to stop or actually give him justice, this half-attempt where he's emasculated is killing me. Maybe its just me - i feel like they even emasculate Thrall in this expansion. For those that don't know the history, Kael'thas is a hero. He was studying in Dalaran when Arthas killed his father. He is a shy, benevolent, caring prince. He raced home and blew up the Sunwell to stop the scourge from pouring through, saving the Eastern Kingdoms but sentencing his own people to mana starvation. Boats of fleeing belf children were sunk and 90% of his people were slaughtered. He moved to strike back at the scourge with his last handful of fighters and Garithos, the epic racist who hates all who are non-human, sent him alone to face impending doom knowing he would be overwhelmed and perish. The Naga Vashj shows up and offers aide and together, Vashj and Kael'thas forces are successful against the scourge. Garithos is displeased by this and now has the excuse he's needed to eradicate Kael. He deems Kael a traitor for working with the Naga, of course he despises the Naga also, and uses this a justification to throw Kael and his men in prison to rot for the next thousand or so years, or however long belfs live. Luckily Vashj breaks Kael out of jail, but at this point his people are dying without their sunwell. He writes of his hesitation to make a pact with Illidan to save his people, considering it a necessary evil, but then he and his people are considered traitors for that and that's how belfs joined the Horde. Then we got the Retcon. The moment Kael sets a toe in Outland he is suddenly a mustachioed villian who turns on his people and is fully corrupted. Even though we have Void elves and Illidari demon hunters who are totally okay with demonic energy now, even though we have Illidan who is a legend now, even though Illidan had a castle of slaves and concubines and we sat through a whole expansion getting lectured by holy characters for going after Illidan with hate in our hearts, Illidan who blows up a Naaru and even the high prophet himself doesn't blink an eye..... Thats all fine, but Kael? Nope, he has to go to hell and get spanked and emasculated for who knows how many eons. He doesn't even get to see Vashj. Mind you she doesn't get spanked for eons, she goes straight to Maldraxxus to have some fun. This writing is awful. (Blood elves without their sunwell are wretched. Nightborne without their nightwell are withered. There was even a Nightborne boss we had to fight in a raid who thought she had to side with the legion to save her people, sound familiar? Rinse and repeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the universe, but the writing team needs to consist of people who care about the warcraft universe and its characters and who have the talent and creativity to handle it.) The Retcon of Kael'thas the moment he touched Outland was sloppy, he was used as a prop to make a quick dramatic story. If you get the Artifact weapon, Felo'melorn, you get to read 1 page about how Kael reforged it (his father's sword) and how he fought Arthas with it over and over and over, countless times, and neither could best the other, but in the entire wrath of the lich king we don't get a glimpse of that, only that Sylvanas is the brave hero that dare go after Arthas. At least the teams at Blizzard cared enough to bring him back in the blood elf heritage armor quest to give you a glimpse of who he really was. And I'm thankful they tried to incorporate him into the new story in Shadowlands, but all they've done is deny his justice and torment him for the retconning while everyone else is skipping around like its a Disney story. I'm afraid at this point the next thing we will see is that Sylvanas is a hero who just had to kill her own to give us freedom from fate and everyone will be happy and good is evil and evil is good, but still fcvk Kael right? He alone will still magically just have to pay for crap he had no choice in and awful writing with no resolution, no justice, nothing. They couldnt even let him play a hand in taking out Kel'Thuzad. Ysera gets a whole redemption story but Kael is spanked like a petulant child, an uttery mockery of who he is before the retcon. I am sticking with my head cannon that he made a humunculous of himself and actually peaced out from WoW years ago and went on to Dota2 as the Invoker (who is based off Carl / Kael) to do something more sensible with his eons of knowledge and time. I love WoW and will probably always play it, but I will never stop calling out this horsecrap.
Really hope we end up getting a scene between Kel'thuzard and Arthas in Shadowlands
Kel'thuzard is the undead cousin of Charizard.
makes me wonder who his alliegance would be for. His King or his Jailer
@@evoxghiretti
Plot twist, he helps Zoval take over the Shadowlands, only to then betray Zoval and put Arthas in his place as the true King of the Dead.
Agreed...that would be awesome. I’d even be down to having Arthas save Jaina and the others in the shadowlands.
@@alexander.tahtadjian
You and the leaders are surrounded in the Maw, with the comrades you've made in the various realms of the Shadowlands.
Suddenly, Arthas rides in on Invincible, carving a path through the enemies
"Glad I could make it, Uther?"
actually having Kael'thas as an ally is so cool, loved him since warcraft III, if only we could see Anub'arak next and have him be our ally, he would fit well in Maldraxxus he died for his people and died after being imprisoned by the Lich King twice.
Anub'arak the lich king. Would be kewl. At least he wouldnt lose to Sylvanas so easily.
Dunno, i think since nerubians are Old Gods creation, i think they go to another realm, since i didn't see any other creature that directly created by old gods in SL
@Bob The same could be said about Alexandros since he was a believer of the Light (Though it with the same connection as Tirion I think due to the DK order hall in Legion), not to mention that many of races of WoW are constructs of the Titans that were alter in some way (natural or unnatural) yet still arrives in the Shadowlands. Maybe a very large infinity in one of the cosmic forces determines a person's afterlife (like old god with the void, wild gods with the Shadowlands/emerald dream).
Agreed, glad to have him back, love the game, but so upset with the writing team. The writing teams have really shat on Kael'thas and I am thankful they have tried to inject him back in to try to wrap up and resolve that sloppy writing, but they either need to stop or actually give him justice, this half-attempt where he's emasculated is killing me. Maybe its just me - i feel like they even emasculate Thrall in this expansion. For those that don't know the history, Kael'thas is a hero. He was studying in Dalaran when Arthas killed his father. He is a shy, benevolent, caring prince. He raced home and blew up the Sunwell to stop the scourge from pouring through, saving the Eastern Kingdoms but sentencing his own people to mana starvation. Boats of fleeing belf children were sunk and 90% of his people were slaughtered. He moved to strike back at the scourge with his last handful of fighters and Garithos, the epic racist who hates all who are non-human, sent him alone to face impending doom knowing he would be overwhelmed and perish. The Naga Vashj shows up and offers aide and together, Vashj and Kael'thas forces are successful against the scourge. Garithos is displeased by this and now has the excuse he's needed to eradicate Kael. He deems Kael a traitor for working with the Naga, of course he despises the Naga also, and uses this a justification to throw Kael and his men in prison to rot for the next thousand or so years, or however long belfs live. Luckily Vashj breaks Kael out of jail, but at this point his people are dying without their sunwell. He writes of his hesitation to make a pact with Illidan to save his people, considering it a necessary evil, but then he and his people are considered traitors for that and that's how belfs joined the Horde. Then we got the Retcon. The moment Kael sets a toe in Outland he is suddenly a mustachioed villian who turns on his people and is fully corrupted. Even though we have Void elves and Illidari demon hunters who are totally okay with demonic energy now, even though we have Illidan who is a legend now, even though Illidan had a castle of slaves and concubines and we sat through a whole expansion getting lectured by holy characters for going after Illidan with hate in our hearts, Illidan who blows up a Naaru and even the high prophet himself doesn't blink an eye..... Thats all fine, but Kael? Nope, he has to go to hell and get spanked and emasculated for who knows how many eons. He doesn't even get to see Vashj. Mind you she doesn't get spanked for eons, she goes straight to Maldraxxus to have some fun. This writing is awful. (Blood elves without their sunwell are wretched. Nightborne without their nightwell are withered. There was even a Nightborne boss we had to fight in a raid who thought she had to side with the legion to save her people, sound familiar? Rinse and repeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the universe, but the writing team needs to consist of people who care about the warcraft universe and its characters and who have the talent and creativity to handle it.) The Retcon of Kael'thas the moment he touched Outland was sloppy, he was used as a prop to make a quick dramatic story. If you get the Artifact weapon, Felo'melorn, you get to read 1 page about how Kael reforged it (his father's sword) and how he fought Arthas with it over and over and over, countless times, and neither could best the other, but in the entire wrath of the lich king we don't get a glimpse of that, only that Sylvanas is the brave hero that dare go after Arthas. At least the teams at Blizzard cared enough to bring him back in the blood elf heritage armor quest to give you a glimpse of who he really was. And I'm thankful they tried to incorporate him into the new story in Shadowlands, but all they've done is deny his justice and torment him for the retconning while everyone else is skipping around like its a Disney story. I'm afraid at this point the next thing we will see is that Sylvanas is a hero who just had to kill her own to give us freedom from fate and everyone will be happy and good is evil and evil is good, but still fcvk Kael right? He alone will still magically just have to pay for crap he had no choice in and awful writing with no resolution, no justice, nothing. They couldnt even let him play a hand in taking out Kel'Thuzad. Ysera gets a whole redemption story but Kael is spanked like a petulant child, an uttery mockery of who he is before the retcon. I am sticking with my head cannon that he made a humunculous of himself and actually peaced out from WoW years ago and went on to Dota2 as the Invoker (who is based off Carl / Kael) to do something more sensible with his eons of knowledge and time. I love WoW and will probably always play it, but I will never stop calling out this horsecrap.
Nah he was all hatred and revenge in warcraft 3 as well when he talk with tyrande and garithos and he faces to Arthas he came all the way down to northern and support willingly to illdan against arthas he said his precious lich king and other when he was with illdan we will destroy the frozen throne as you command with hatred tone soo you miss that?
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So many memories in Silvermoon, The Sunwell's corruption, and Kael vengeance against Kel'thuzad oooohh...how nostalgic!
TBC comes out next year!
He should remember the player as the one who killed him, that would be fun dialogue
Lady Vashj does for example
He does in castle nathria though.
@@Nighttimeqt1 thats good
@@Eathrien and what she is talking about ?
"You never killed me"
"Yes has.."
"He's never killed me twice..!"
"Well.."
"Okay fine..!"
Have kael'thas met Lady Vashj yet? in the shadowlands?
"Ilidan is not here this time"
Illidan: sure?
Illidan is the only one alive
He will come back!
@@Spartan135 And everyone will be not prepared!!
Cant help but chuckle when Kael yells "You will drown in your own blood"
Hiya Folks! The Burning Crusade was MERELY a setback. I’ve been waiting ages for this one. The TBC expansion is the one that needs to atone for its sins, not Kale the veggie prince.
Arthas & KT’s invasion of Quel’thalas is one of my favorite arcs from W3, one that could be a movie all on its own. (Sylvanas' death, Anasterian’s Fall, Sunwell Corrupted).
Here come's the return of the Sun King. Vashj-Kale reunion when? Here kitty, kitty!
No, you can’t copy this one you dingleberry.
And as always, a big thank you to Molly & Jenny for your help and hard work!
Can make full quest line cutseen only about kealthas please
Jaina will want to visit Revendreth to see what’s become of Kael’thas.
Please make new video for quest line the sins of kaelthas. Cutseen with good [edit]
YES The writing teams have really shat on Kael'thas and I am thankful they have tried to inject him back in to try to wrap up and resolve that sloppy writing, but they either need to stop or actually give him justice, this half-attempt where he's emasculated is killing me. Maybe its just me - i feel like they even emasculate Thrall in this expansion. For those that don't know the history, Kael'thas is a hero. He was studying in Dalaran when Arthas killed his father. He is a shy, benevolent, caring prince. He raced home and blew up the Sunwell to stop the scourge from pouring through, saving the Eastern Kingdoms but sentencing his own people to mana starvation. Boats of fleeing belf children were sunk and 90% of his people were slaughtered. He moved to strike back at the scourge with his last handful of fighters and Garithos, the epic racist who hates all who are non-human, sent him alone to face impending doom knowing he would be overwhelmed and perish. The Naga Vashj shows up and offers aide and together, Vashj and Kael'thas forces are successful against the scourge. Garithos is displeased by this and now has the excuse he's needed to eradicate Kael. He deems Kael a traitor for working with the Naga, of course he despises the Naga also, and uses this a justification to throw Kael and his men in prison to rot for the next thousand or so years, or however long belfs live. Luckily Vashj breaks Kael out of jail, but at this point his people are dying without their sunwell. He writes of his hesitation to make a pact with Illidan to save his people, considering it a necessary evil, but then he and his people are considered traitors for that and that's how belfs joined the Horde. Then we got the Retcon. The moment Kael sets a toe in Outland he is suddenly a mustachioed villian who turns on his people and is fully corrupted. Even though we have Void elves and Illidari demon hunters who are totally okay with demonic energy now, even though we have Illidan who is a legend now, even though Illidan had a castle of slaves and concubines and we sat through a whole expansion getting lectured by holy characters for going after Illidan with hate in our hearts, Illidan who blows up a Naaru and even the high prophet himself doesn't blink an eye..... Thats all fine, but Kael? Nope, he has to go to hell and get spanked and emasculated for who knows how many eons. He doesn't even get to see Vashj. Mind you she doesn't get spanked for eons, she goes straight to Maldraxxus to have some fun. This writing is awful. (Blood elves without their sunwell are wretched. Nightborne without their nightwell are withered. There was even a Nightborne boss we had to fight in a raid who thought she had to side with the legion to save her people, sound familiar? Rinse and repeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the universe, but the writing team needs to consist of people who care about the warcraft universe and its characters and who have the talent and creativity to handle it.) The Retcon of Kael'thas the moment he touched Outland was sloppy, he was used as a prop to make a quick dramatic story. If you get the Artifact weapon, Felo'melorn, you get to read 1 page about how Kael reforged it (his father's sword) and how he fought Arthas with it over and over and over, countless times, and neither could best the other, but in the entire wrath of the lich king we don't get a glimpse of that, only that Sylvanas is the brave hero that dare go after Arthas. At least the teams at Blizzard cared enough to bring him back in the blood elf heritage armor quest to give you a glimpse of who he really was. And I'm thankful they tried to incorporate him into the new story in Shadowlands, but all they've done is deny his justice and torment him for the retconning while everyone else is skipping around like its a Disney story. I'm afraid at this point the next thing we will see is that Sylvanas is a hero who just had to kill her own to give us freedom from fate and everyone will be happy and good is evil and evil is good, but still fcvk Kael right? He alone will still magically just have to pay for crap he had no choice in and awful writing with no resolution, no justice, nothing. They couldnt even let him play a hand in taking out Kel'Thuzad. Ysera gets a whole redemption story but Kael is spanked like a petulant child, an uttery mockery of who he is before the retcon. I am sticking with my head cannon that he made a humunculous of himself and actually peaced out from WoW years ago and went on to Dota2 as the Invoker (who is based off Carl / Kael) to do something more sensible with his eons of knowledge and time. I love WoW and will probably always play it, but I will never stop calling out this horsecrap.
Kael'thas: "And now I'll have my terrible revenge" (kills Kel'Thuzad's kitty).
Kel'Thuzad: "Mr. Bigglesworth! Nooooooo!"
The ultimate act of revenge. Too evil and devious even for Kale the Veggie Prince!
@@Athelarius Even Sylvanas had to look away.
@@raistlin3462 What is the price of killing a Lich's cat? Disenchantment.
@ 2:11, if you happen to be a blood elf character, Kael'thas will instead say:
"Hmph. It must be so humiliating for you to see your beloved prince in chains."
Very well done. I like how you are providing these, so that people who don't have the time to play each Covenant storyline can experience everything in the expansion.
Gotta love how Kel'Thuzad goes on the classic villain rant of explaining his entire plan for no good reason.
I guess in his mind, he has made the perfect plan and wants others to hear about how good it is. Like the villain leaving the hero to die in their trap because the trap is _that_ good.
Oh yeah, I can clearly hear regret in his voice for his actions and yearning for redemption.
I feel... edgy.
Fairness was never shown to my people. I'm just returning the favor.
@@evoxghiretti now if only he remembered to stop after taking tempest keep.
No doubt he’ll still be angry with Jaina for choosing the monster who ravaged his homeland over him.
@@cameronmcewen9666 where did people get the idea that Kael’thas was angry about that? That was *years* earlier and it was never stated that he was angry about it. You do know that it IS possible to respect someone enough that you want to see them happy even if it’s not with you right? Jaina chose Arthas and got stuck with the consequences of that choice. What she had to go through was horrific. Even if Kael’thas had been angry, what would be the point of carrying it on? Didn’t the lady suffer enough? She had to help kill the man she once loved. That’s not something anyone should have to do. What would be the use in pubishing her now? Surely, she has suffered enough as a result of that choice.
Kael “ITS NOT A PHASE GOD MOM”
Kel'thuzad is still my favorite villain and always will be. I hope we see more of him
He is not really a villain.
Hearing Kel'thuzad say "Here kitty kitty!" makes me think he's alluding to Mr. Bigglesworth. :(
Kel'Thas and Kel'Thuzad are both back? WHAT KIND OF CRAZY REUNION IS BLIZZARD PLANNING?!?!?!?!
Arthas and Illidan too lol😂😂. Maybe it gonna be best memory for us.
@@stormrage5597 but illidan is the jailer 2.0,
can he leave sargeras unattended?
@@MegaHelloKitty4 WTF, maybe Jailor Illidan 2.0, we knew much more about Illidan.
I believe that Sargeras take possession of Illidan and try to control him. Maybe at the end of Shadowlands or the next patch, because Sargeras tried before to destroy the Shadowlands.
@@stormrage5597 it makes sense with argus throwing a ball at the arbiter theory, through sargeras' will
This is how Heroes of the Storm happened; we just got a glimpse of it in-game (speaking of which, I better see some new Kael'thas skins available in a future patch!)
Really miss the warcraft III voice acting for this two.
the w3 actor for Kel'thuzad is the same, i believe.
@@mackparker9064 I thought it was different too, but I think they changed the way they record it. I don't know how to explain it, but there is something different about it.
Many of the VAs should be reprising their roles as soon as _Warcraft_ is made into an animated series.
I just checked imdb. It's still the same actors, Michael McConnohie for Kelthuzad, and Quinton Flynn for Kael'thas. Considering Warcraft 3 was almost 20 years ago, maybe their voices aged?
@@hypnotizerLuna maybe we can chalk it up to dying two or three times for each of them, thats why they sound slightly different.
Why the maldraxxus didn't swnd vashj........ It could be a great reunion
Missed opportunity for sure! Maybe they will meet in the future
@@jam34786 Shipping them since i knew she used to be elf too, can't wait.
@@Blatazarius she was a handmaiden of queen Azhara and she use her feminine touch to heal ilidin
@@Uruk02 Illidan has already a love hate relationship with Maiev so, he isn't required here.
@@Blatazarius lady vash the night elf that turned into fish
2:53 scorpion voice actor!!!!!!
Well he did Arthas before Scorpion, and he also voiced Garrosh Hellscream, and Dio from JoJo in the english dub. The voice actor is Patrick Seitz.
0:51 and that's Raiden lol
amazing editing in this video with the various events, Subbed now.
Necrolords are getting all the cool stories
Of course they do. Look at them :D
Too bad their conduits are shit 😭
Meanwhile in ardenweald.
"These masked guys are stealing our spirit seeds and they're controlled by the drust from bfa who are here for some reason."
"Oh thats...weird. Can the winter queen do something about it?
"No shes busy looking at stuff with a forlorn gaze. Also ysera is in one of the seeds"
"Oh I guess thats pretty neat, anything else?"
"An old troll guy in a dress is also stealing seeds."
as they should
Bwonsamdi in Ardenweald: I be da joke to you mon?
"Forest just setback"
Hogger
My boy Kael'thas just go deeper and deeper into madness, who else remembers the blood elves campaign from w3? Garithos WILL RETURN!!!
I’m scared Kel’Thuzad is just going to become a raid boss in the maw
I would be fine with that if it's his own raid and not the Jailer's.
@@afernandez9579 I doubt it’d be his own raid
@@JB-tz3xk maybe a different one with more chains and souls..
Kel'Thuzad: "Time for Rount Three."
@@JB-tz3xk I think this would be enough of a meme that WoW players would be into it.
I will never get used to Patrick Seitz as Arthas.
He was always Arthas, now the Lich King is a different story.
@@chikendoodad he was not in warcraft 3
Yeah when he spoke, all I heard was Gamagori.
Yeah, new voice sounds so arrogant
THANK YOU!
Kael's story from life into the SL is pretty of tragic when you think about, sure he may have always been arrogant and may have been destined for Revendreth nonetheless, but his true sins of enslaving Outland and joining the Legion probably would have never happened if the Scourge hadn't ravaged his people and homeland.
I'm hoping for some sort of Arthas redemption (since all of his actions after taking up Frostmourne weren't of his own will) but Kael absolutely deserves to end Kel'thuzad for being the primary reason for the Sunwell's corruption.
he really wasnt particularly arrogant before TBC messed up his character.
as for arthas, I mean, he already massacred the mercenaries he hired before he even took up frostmourne.
@@lenkagamine4145 TBC certainly did Kael's character no favors, but before that he did at least have an arrogant personality. Whether that's enough to be sent to Revendreth is debateable and perhaps he would have been a better fit for Maldraxxus had he not joined the Legion (after all, Vashj ended up there even though she too played a role in enslaving Outland).
And agreed, Arthas was far down on the path of vengeance and certainly not innocent by the time he took up Frostmourne, I'm just saying he doesn't bear as much responsibility for Quel'thalas as compared to Kel'thuzad. And all things considered, he was sent to the Maw without being judged by the Arbiter, so he at the very least deserves that.
@@kungfuvoodoo9889 Hrm, I dunno about that. I'm watching all of kael'thas's scenes from warcraft 3 right now as I type this, and at least in his interactions with the night elves early on he is entirely courteous.
@@lenkagamine4145 Having an arrogant and courteous side aren't necessarily mutually exclusive and I'm not saying he was arrogant to a fault prior to joining Illidan and the Legion (again, TBC didn't do the best at writing him, but there was at least some prior basis to his arrogant personality type being a lot more exaggerated), the main parts in WC3 that gave me the impression of his arrogant side were his retorts to Garithos in saying fixing the observation towers was beneath him and his people when he wanted to be on the frontlines and a few other moments mostly in the Belf and Undead campaign when talking pridefully about his and his people's strength. I suppose you could say that's just taking his rightful pride, but I guess it just depends on where you draw the line between pride and arrogance.
At any rate, my point is that Revendreth's requisites for souls to be sent there seems to be based on crimes one has committed, some deep personality flaw, or some combination of the two. Garrosh being there is kind of it's own conversation that's relevant here too, "Garrosh did nothing wrong" meme aside, there are certainly some legitimate debates on whether some of his actions could be considered crimes or just misunderstood attempts to defend his own people against those he viewed as threats (if you've ever read the Shattering novel or done the Horde Stonetalon Mountain questline which Blizz did technically say was the result of different story teams during Cata, those do help show him in a more positive light), but none can refute that he was arrogant.
And as I said about Vashj, she too was an active participant in enslaving people in Outland, in fact now that I think about it, most places in TBC that used Broken Slaves tended to be run by Vashj's naga and her boss quote was basically about using the slaves to funnel all of Outland's precious water supplies to her, so it kind of gives the impression that she was exploiting the slaves the most compared to Illidan and Kael. Yet she ended up in Maldraxxus. I guess in this case though, it might be that it was her "warrior" spirit that qualified her for that, she does say that she chose her Naga form rather than original Night Elf because in life she preferred being valued for her strength over her beauty.
At any rate, hopefully this little lorenerd rant helps explain my point a bit better?
@@kungfuvoodoo9889 I dunno, I mean, in context of TBC obviously kael'thas was arrogant at the time of his death. I just dont really see that much in the context of warcraft 3. I mean, I guess if sarcasm counts as arrogance, but... I dunno man. I'm not outright disagreeing with any of hte placements of characters, as by the time of their death it makes sense, its just that, well, as I'm sure alot of other people also think, I'm not into the story developments that *made* it make sense.
imagine if arthus was in this expansion later down the line
everyone would freak out
I think he will be.
@@jet44444 Arthas: "I'm back, bitches."
Players: "Gimme ur mount!"
Nobody would care. The lore is fucked
Glory to Sun King!!! Glory to Prince Kael'thas!☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️
At least Kael'thas is an awesome hero in Heroes of the Storm
Sylvanas rules...forever. 🔥
Selama ashal'anore 💛💖💚
Loving your edits man
Arthas will return
Im exited to see him again the true king
Arthas and jaina together maybe idk
OMG
Not sure if Arthas will come back alive but its a redemption for what he did and his soul that's a guarantee
Arthas: you thought your first suffering would be made by the Legion, BUT IT WAS ME, ARTHAS!!!!
This video title gives wc3 excitement (PAUSE)
7:26 14 years later and this still always gives me goosebumps every time I see it!
A really good made video. Good job!
This is sooooooo well done. Propers to the maker.
Amazing video!!! You’re effort really shows!!
8:51
Dayum, he was still angry Jaina went for Arthas.
I'd be too tbh, Arthas was a manchild anyway. I actually liked him more as Lich King lol.
@@JustAChinesePleb Yeah, dude at around 20 was such a child compared to the 2k+ old guy.
@@JustAChinesePleb Arthas was better as Lich King, and the Prince Arthas more or less only existed to get to the good stuff. No hate, but you can tell when a character is made with the intention of turning them into a much more badass villain in act 2
Arthas return? My dream come true
doing azeroth's work with the editing of all the stories together.
I can’t unhear Raiden every time Mograine talks
"your runes ends here!"
"NAXXRAMAS WAS MERELY A SETBACK! TWICE!"
"the defiler of the sunwell" - does he forget that he also defiled the sunwell?
yes but Kel was the FIRST defiler, afterwards it didn't matter that much.
@elviade then why did he have to go to the Sunwell Plateau to summon Kil'Jaeden? Because he had captured Anveena (was that her name, cant remember) the personification of the Sunwell, and was using her.
You know what I miss? Kael'thas as a likeable character.
i dont remember kel'thuzad being this "villain" voice.
Its very similar to his voice in Hearthstone. Thats funny
I just want to see Arthas and Garrosh. (And more Uther)
Omg! the new voice actor for Arthas sounds like endeavor from my hero academia 😍
Because he voiced him originally in Wrath of the Lich King. But I don't believe he reprised the role when they remade Warcraft
Wow this lore becomes more apsurd with each new expansion.
Look at how they massacred my boy!
(At)
ik :(
Vengeance!
Cant wait for him to somehow escape with us and scream "Castle Nathria was mearly a setback"
so funny how he talks with his lips sealed
Oh crap I totally forgot that Quinton Flinn voice Kael'thas
Dude, I played MGS2 recently and after starting listening to this I'm like "wait, why is Raiden in WoW?"
@@loganreed23 no I mean like
Well recently it got exposed that he's been involved in sexually inappropriate situations with minors
@@-Gilver gotta be cap
"Snake, its my turn to protect you"
🙂
" Magister's Terrace was merely a setback. "
Everybody from BC: " You fucker. YOU FUCKER I WILL RAIN HELLFIRE DOWN UPON YOU! "
7:00 Kel'thuzad's pants looks like a dwarf face taking a dump lol
El Oh El
I will never be able to unsee it
Oh noes. They pushed his Kel'thuzad button!
arthas fans like me knows Kael'thuzad and arthas was "FRİENDS " ı hope he revives the death knight .
9:45 Who is the "blind half-night elf mongrel" he speaks of?
edit: Illidan, of course! Derp! I was thinking "who the heck is a half-night elf and what is the other half? Human? Sin'Dorei?"
The other half is blind.
kaels old voice actor from wc3 was perfect, so much better than this new guy after quinten was fired. yet in the wc3 remake they made him a beefy he-man face, which doesn't fit him. and lore wise he was retconned twice, from turning him into a mustachioed cackling villian the moment he set foot in outland to a full on second retconning in shadowlands where he becomes a pompous childish brat which they punish him for, yet which he never was. he was retconned that that is what he was but he never really was that! and honestly he was a quiet spoken prince (yes with some princly arrogance but not evil) up until the retcon as you can see from his voice in wc3 and the books vs shadowlands and the new terrible voice actor. shame they shat on his lore so much, and to this day he's denied justice. the writing really is bad, or else so many people wouldn't be upset. you can bring in new material without tearing up lore of old beloved charchters. it's like in TBC when they first retconned him and just suddenly make him and Vashj ultimate evils cause they wanted a quick boss to throw in, but vashj being female gets off the hook like Sylvanas gets off for genocide, but kael and Arthas for things they couldn't control get punished....i say this as a woman. they wrecked what could've been endless awesome story to grow as kaels charchter devoloped to secure the belfs but instead they just knocked him off as cliched baddies. lazy stuff for deadlines and a quick check cause they needed a boss in tbc, now they are like Disney unable to create any new good stuff without milking the husks of good charachters. if they were respectful to kael and vashj true lore, we could be teaming up with them to kill the scourge and fight the sanlayn or even have kael lead the sanlayn in the better direction.... endless opportunities. or even just closure would've been nice for these long time heroes where kael at least gets justice. i can only cope by telling myself he made a clone of himself to leave in shadowlands, while the real him peaced out to Dota2 as the Invoker.
Wow! Wow! Fabulous!
For the Sindorei!
1 Kael , many voices
that title has violated me
finally goooooood news!!!!!!!!! about arthas!!!!!
Iam hopeful see kaelthas after shadowland for next expansion and if arthas back story can be interesting do you think kaelthas can back?
I dearly hope he came back to stay, I miss my prince
Blizzard bringing back old lore characters for the nostalgia (mutilating them in the process) is akin to going to Disney land and seeing people dressed as movie characters, knowing it's not actually them.
Kel'thuzad will conquer all of aaaaahhhhh
World of Warcraft: Conquerers of Aaaaaahhhh!
Must’ve died while carving it.
Interesting how a lowly man can rise and fall then rise again. Kel'thuzad must have been a servant to the jailor for a long time. It can't just be in this expansion. This must be what happens when one dies who is of powerful means. The jailor to my understanding could have been manipulating all of warcraft 3 frozen throne up until the latter events of wotlk. They made us believe it was Arthas, nerzhul and kelthuzad. No, it was the jailor as he stopped people from dying peacefully and being sorted into their realms like a Harry Potter sorting hat event. I get it. It makes sense. Bring balance to life and death as we prepare ourselves to do it against the light and the void (dark).
Poor Kael.
When do you think is garithos gonna come?
Well his dead xdddd after ticondrious kill him i think some ghouls devour his body xddd
Bruh everyone is this cutscene is dead but you see them so.......
just remember he used to serve lord garithos and look where he went and where he is now.
2:47 Where is that from?
Since I cant play wow, I jst wanna see how the story progresses through in game scenes or cinematics.
FELLAS what is the track playing in the background at 1:15
I don't play WoW right now but that piece is pretty good
does he say anything special if you are a blood elf/void elf?
What you faced was *merely* a scouting force >:)
IN CARNAGE I BLOOM LIKE A FLOWER IN THE DAWN
bro if u played w3, u'd get the impression of "is kaelthas drunk or somthn" watching this vid xd
CP 2k77 Tyger Claw guards "Hey kitty kitty"
0:37 - Alright, which character from Skyrim does he voice act?
EDIT: It's Richard Epcar in real life, isn't it?
WC3 Kael'thas: Cool, and you understand his choices, and a really cool voice,
WoW BC Kael'thas: Emo-kid and arrogant beyond measure, silly voice.
Shadowlands Kael'thas: So far meh, still miss his WC3 voice actor.
It’s actually his WC3 actor in Bc and Shdowlands too. It’s just a change in delivery.
@@podrickfookinpayne2329 It is? I didn't know, that was a surprise. He sounds so different, and I really don't like him in BC, and not so much in Shadowlands either. But thanks for correcting me on that.
@@0That_Guy0 Yeah, his delivery is very different, you can easily confuse him for a different actor. I personally wish he'd be more balanced between his War3 and HotS versions.
I miss W3, where you could actually love Kael'thas as a character.
Kael'thas is now somekind of vampire? Because of his ball of blood and this little change with look.
He’s one of the Venthyr, who are basically vampires.
Looks like Naxx is coming back
How are you doing these questlines without them being out yet? this should be next weeks campaign quest
You were expecting arthas's original voice... But it was ME DIO BRANDO's voice!
Anyone know what version of the song "invincible" is at 2:34?
My main question is just... Is Kel'thuzad dead or alive? What happened after WotLK Naxxramas? Did we destroy his phylactery? I hope it's explained how Kel'thuzad made it to the realms of death and under the employ of the Jailor.
I’m getting wizard 101 vibes
Anyone has that OST name please ? 2:55
11:26 is that a reference to Highlord Alarak of StarCraft 2?
i dont like how he goes from legion helping fuckboy to helping us in shadowlands
Its bullshit how much awesome story is locked behind covenant!