I have to say that the story of Uther and Arthas is one is one sentimental ones found within this great fantasy world. The loss of someone righteous and holy, at the hands of his own will to do good, is a theme I myself found very intriguing even at the young age of seven when i played through the WC3 campaign. Reason being the application it has in real life, a principal called: thinking twice. This story had so many opportunities to take a different path that you always come back to it for some, it's the biggest reason I still come back WC3 atleast oce a year. Thanks for these videos, they contain much more wisdom than you might think. You're awesome!
The novel about Arthas was incredible. One of my favorite Warcraft books so far! The fight between Uther and Arthas was described amazingly. Sword through the throat!
It was good, but to call WC3 "deep" is just not true. The hero's fall from glory is one of the most typical stories out there; WC3 may have done it well, but come on now. Don't let your nostalgia make you think it was by any means "deep."
You needed those ghouls and meat wagons because Arthas would be a lvl 5/6 hero versus a full power housed lvl 10 paladin Uther. Also remember that paladins can cast "Holy Light" every 10 seconds. If Uther directs this to Arthas solely, he can kill him in a mere 40 seconds. So we need fodder undead creatures to distract Uther, and trick him to directing it to them. Moreover we can't use "Death Coil" on Arthas, so the only way to heal him up is to cast "Death Pact" on undead creatures. That's just the game's way of doing things though...😌
Uther is himself, in a way, responsible for Arthas' fall. If he were to see that the purge was the only way, he would have stood by Arthas' side and make sure to root mal'ganis' corruption before it could destroy him.
Yes, another person is responsible for his decisions. Might as well blame Uther's parents for raising Uther this way. It's not like Arthas was an adult capable of making his own descisions. Nope, not at all.
idontlikeyouyo You misunderstood. The purge, was actually the only way to try and save the city and prevent an outbreak outside, but uther didn't see it that way an left. When Arthas was alone, ha was more susceptible to manipulation as nobody else was in a position to question him. All i am saying is, that if Uther hadn't have left, he might have been able to see Arthas change and help him before his fall to Ner'zhul.
Kalin1993 I totally agree with you, but also you take that the alliance was sitll fighting the orcs and the plage was just a rising problem, you could say it was a minor problem at that time. Then Uther didn't want to see the purge Arthas was about to commit, but also he was useful in other battles
there was no choice there kill the potential army before it came to completion. Giving up a strategic military point to appease ones conscience is not only silly its stupid what was he supposed to do leave them and let them transform and not only give the enemy a free army but a fortified city as well? the choice tho it sucked was the correct call
Valid point. Although this was the difference between your way of thinking and Uther's. Honor, conscience and morality were his way of living. He would rather fight them later, than risk purging a city that might not become a threat at all. You see a bee, do you burn the bee and the nest to prevent the potential of getting stung? You might have a nest that is going to die off without ever posing a threat to those around it. From a military standpoint, I completely understand your vision, but just remember that something being the "correct" call is in the eye of the beholder :)
Harvey Baver fair point.but if you played Wc3(im assuming you did) you the player and arthas both knew.The result so i cant really knock arthas either way :/
Knives77 Agreed :) and yes, I did. Both made the call they felt was the correct one at the time. It's up to us players to side with which we agree. I've got major feels for Uther and how he felt there, I'd be the same way. I can completely understand Arthas though, and can't really knock him for his actions. Only thing I didn't like was how he treated Uther and used his throne, or...well...."future" throne, the way he did to make accusations of treason and basically belittle his mentor like that for an overthrow of power and control. Kind of dirty on his part IMO.
Why is everyone taking the interpretation of a delusionaly arrogant murdering psycho's word for truth especially when it contradicts literally everyone else there? He simply saw those exposed just like the Scarlet Crusade seeing the taint on anyone that so much as live near the undead. Murderous zealot in a world with magic healing.
When i first logged into wow and saw the statue on stormwind (and it was a questline from paladins to get the mount on plaguelands that you summon the spirit of uther too)
Please for the love of everything that is holy, take the audio of these videos and make them into a podcast. This would be so perfect for my long drives to and from work/uni/friends places. Please, please, please!
Love all these vids. I catch myself going on a Nobbel spree late at night spending hours listening to lore and speculating on the future. Always good stuff! Also, I dig the accent. Get a good chuckle now and then hearing about characters like Arfus and Oofer. Keep up the good work, dude!
Great video, loving your channel for Lore info. Regarding the question of Stratholme, I think what pushed Arthas' actions into the 'wrong' category is that he didn't even attempt anything else. He, Uther and other Paladins wield the power of the Light, something that by its very nature heals and purifies. The people of Stratholme hadn't been transformed yet, there was no way to know who had or hadn't been infected, etc. Arthas' actions were quick, decisive and definitely prevented the plague from spreading past Stratholme, but it was also the brutal murder of innocent people. It's possible that purging the city would have been truly necessary, but it was an option that could have been held as a last resort, rather than a first response. Arthas was just too quick to use the sword, and that impulsiveness cost him much during his life. This cost him the support of paladins he could have used and wise council that might have prevented him from winding up as an undead supervillain. I think if Uther truly did anything wrong in Stratholme, it was that he left. He should have been willing to stand up to Arthas, to defend those people, to even fight him if he had to. I realize he wanted to avoid conflict with someone he loved like a son, but it only made things worse. But neither Arthas or Uther could see the future, and were up against someone who could.
terenas ruled for 70 years. Uther said he saw terenas struggle with learning how to rule, implying he's older than terenas. holy crap how old wad uther? 100?
86, according to the WC3 book, he's a year older then Terenas II. But his father was a knight of Loredaron and he himself was on that path as well and knew Terenas II when they were younger, similar to Layne and Lothar. That's why he was something of a pseudo-uncle to Arthas, Terenas considered him like a brother. he didn't actually become a paladin until the 2nd war when the Order of the Silver Hand was founded.
Héctor Aguilar It's a rather tragic one, he gets exiled and his son get killed. :( I remember the questline in the EPL where you try and save his son from teh Scarlet Crusade.
"Even if you were to strike down the Lich King, another would have to take his place. For without control of its master, the scourge would run rampant across the world - destroying all living things". Wasn't it the point of the scourge to begin with? To destroy all the living? If you think about it, it means the Lich King prevented the scourge from actually fulfilling its purpose. I don't get it.
The "chunk" of Arthas remained in the Lich King made it act more based on Arthas' own neurosis than to what the Lich King was really meant to be in the first place. Arthas "held" the Scourge because he wanted first to corrupt the greatest heroes of Azeroth and turn them in his most powerful subjects. Why? Because it was a perfect reflection of Arthas' own story and journey in Northrend: he went to Northrend for save his people and destroy his enemies, but him giving in to his darker emotions made him prey of the Lich King, becoming his servant; Arthas, now himself Lich King, wanted to do the exact same thing and see if these "heroes" were really all about "righteousness" or if anger, hatred and rage guided their actions deep within. Regardless, he wanted them to follow the same path, because, in a nutshell, would have proven to himself and the rest of the world that no one was better than him, that everyone would have fallen like him in the same circumstances. So yeah, in the end everything was about the psychological issues of the last vestiges of humanity left within the Lich King. Kinda fucked up.
Great video as always, Nobbel. One slight thing; during the battle at the foot of Blackrock Mountain, Turalyon gave Uther the title of "Lightbringer" was because during that battle, the Light physically manifested itself around Uther, the first Paladin who had ever managed to do this. Just pointing it out because it was one of my favorite parts of Tides of Darkness. :)
What Uther did to Tirion was fucked up. I can't say that he was pressed to banish him and strip him of his powers BECAUSE of duty, because Uther bailed in purging Stratleholme, even at the risk that Tirion took on protecting his own personal honor. Uther is a hypocrite, and those are the worst type of 'good guy'. I can't relate or sympathize with Uther for this sole reason.
I was so pissed. I love Uther, but I agree, that was crazy dirty how he's based around Honor, and yet doesn't respect another for being honorable in keeping his word and saving someone who doesn't want to fight anymore. Although, I don't think Tirion fully disclosed everything to Uther as to the details, but you would think with the past they have together, Uther would take his word for it. Idk, it's been a while since I've played that storyline. I agree though, Mr. Fordring got shafted with a spiked bat on that one.
Harvey Baver Ya, im glad you agree! You bring up an interesting point with Tirion seeming like he didn't defend himself adequately. I think he was feeling guilty for breaking code, and was wanting a harsh punishment so he can keep his promise to Eitrigg, without sacrificing his own personal honor, which was very important to him, even if he was seen as treasonous to everyone who knew of him and respected him. It's really tragic and sad. It felt as if Uther was conflicted in his verdict, and that he felt like he HAD to excommunicate him. If it was up to Uther, solely, he'd probably have him stay. But rules are rules, and i don't have a problem with that. What i did have a problem is when he grew a moral backbone with Arthus, follow his own moral compass, and said FU to his duties, just like Tirion, only not to be punished for it (unlike Tirion). It makes him a hypocrite, and hypocrites cannot take the moral high ground without being a scummy bastard.
Oldangr A saint can commit a murder and still be tried as a murderer. Uther committed treason also so what he did to Tirion was *wrong*. How is there no double standard? That makes him a hypocrite, and the worst type of individual. I don't like Uther for this sole reason, though he may be a good and honest man like Tirion.
Arthus charged him with treason lol. Uther bitched out on purging Stratholme, which had to be done at some point or another. If being severed from the light as a paladin or priest being one of the worst possible punishment, then Uther should of known that Tirion really felt what he was doing was right. How is it any different than what Uther did? Uther trusted Tirion, and must of known better, but followed their strict rules anyways, stripping him of his Paladin powers.
Oldangr Besides, I don't think Arthas had any real authority to command Uther at that point. Not to mention that until that point, all Uther knew was that the plague killed people, having no idea about the zombification. I think I'd like to go check with the king before purifying a city like that on the words of a prince you know to be young and impulsive.
damn this video showed so many plot hole blizz has in its stories. plus the "there should always be a lich king" never made sense to me. the scourge was a threat cause they were led by the lich king, but with out a leader they are stronger? if that was the case why doesn't the lich king let his troops run wild.
Couldn't agree more man.... I always thought... personally IMO... that the spirits were "Manipulated" (kinda like Kil'Jaeden did to Rulkan for Ner'Zhul) and that Bolovar was a set up. Ner''Zhul had visions, and one was Frostmourne crossing paths Ashbringer, so perhaps Lich king via Ner'Zhul saw their untimely defeat and decided to make Bolovar as Lich king. I mean, of all the space in ICC, Arthas brought him up to his throne. While Lich King was fighting us, Bolovar just mysteriously broke free and sat on the throne like Palpatine in ROTJ? What better stragety than let the world think the LK is dead, Scourge driven to ground, let them forget about you... than... Kick some ass? Oh and exactly WTF is up with Kel'Thuzad and his phylactery? Something is up with the Scourge for sure!
the scourge .. a shit load of wankers .. controlled by good boy arthas to do nothing. once good boy arthas is gone. the wankers will run loose. therefore there always must be another good boy arthas to stop the wankers from wanking
"succeeding you .....father!" chills watcing that scene. Arthas has among the best lore in game and was my only reason for playing wow so that i can see how his ending comes about.
+Tyzane Uther took back the powers of the light given to Tirion when he was charged with treason but the light never truly left Tirion even though he felt its absence. When he attempted to heal the orc he promised to protect, he felt the light flow through his veins as it once did back when he was a paladin :)
The light answers as long as you have faith in it, Tirion's faith was weakened by the ruling even though he felt he made the right decision but believed that he didn't deserve the light, once he felt the need of it again it answered him. same reason the Scarlet Crusade could still use the light, or even Horsemen Zeliek.
Badass? Uther was a racist fucking pig and I was so happy when Arthas killed him. As I like to say, if you're neutral you are a good perosn, if you are Alliance or Horde you are a traitor.
love you man! always good storys! dont know if you make one of Maarad, if you didnt will appreciate it. Edit: Maarad is one of the paladins who i admire. And again, didnt play Heros of the Storm long time now, but he reserves something in alliance history! since i seen him on TBC cinematic i started love him
feel so sad cuz arthas has become a death knight and later on lich king,i wish Lordaeron still stands with King Terenas and Uther the Lightbringer alive...
In case you weren't joking: The Emerald Dream isn't a dream world, it's basically a seperate world parallel to Azeroth wherein Society and it's creatures never existed, an 'ideal' image of how the Titans imagined the planet's final blueprint. Of course, they knew that wouldn't exist - hence why the Dream's just that - a Dream of an ideal peaceful world.
Great video, especially for someone new to the Warcraft series like me who didn't experience these stories when they were fresh. But... 6:38 - 6:43 c'mon did you REALLY need to use this picture?!
Wow ! This is great ! I just subbed to your channel. I love to hear the lore about wow. Thank you that you are doing this. I think that spoken word is more easily absorbed than reading, in my personal opinion that is. Your voice and english is great ! (I'm dutch myself btw). Anyway, thank you very much and I hope you can and will continue for a long time.
No. Think of it like this: with the Lich King focusing on Alliance and Horde forces, the scourge are constantly working to that end. Even when he sat, dreaming, he had some kind of mild intentions, such as building Icecrown Citadel over the five years after WCIII. Now imagine that any and all control is lost. More accurately, imagine the Scourge as a single body. It has a conscious brain ("attack the Argent Pinnacle"), a subconscious brain ("build this wall") and it has an absent brain. What is an absent brain? Imagine a person having a seizure. Someone just shaking, vibrating, flailing, unable to focus, every muscle spasming wildly. Without a Lich King, the scourge would be in a seizure, everywhere in the world, attacking ferally, without any intent at all and with no end game.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! WHY? Why didn't you include Uther's proclamation and warrant to Aiden Perenolde? :( Come on please add it to the video? It's inportant beacause it shows us that Uther is not a saint. By the way Aiden Perenoldeis one of my favorite characters
Xenos369 Arthas was always good. The moment he met Mal'Ganis he got trapped in his own bubble of vengeance and cared little for his men, and he completly lost his sanity when he picked up Frostmourne.
WoWFtw8 Considering Dreadlords are cunning silver tongued bastards that can corrupt anyone with mere words, i think Arthas wasn't really "trapped in a bubble of vengeance" , more like being under some sort of perception twisting spell
Sergio Dias Meh, the only really bad choice he did was to go to Northrend. The purging of Stratholme was the only thing that worked, not even Uther found out another way. Plus he was right about the people there, they were already dead anyway. He just took the fast and easy way.
This channel is amazing! I've been looking for the story of pandaria to catch up( since i stopped playing wow after wotlk, restarting now for WoD), instad i found this precious diamond and got addicted to the lore ;p By the way - Warcraft 3 english voiceover sucks ballz in my opinion, try listening to polish version - it has depth, it has emotion, it made the entire game unforgettable(you could literally feel Arthas' anger when chasing Malganis), english ver is pale and emotionless in comparison.
Nobbel, you should make a Lore vid about Tirion, the story that went towards his judging made me interested as to how his story played out before he became the Ashbringer.
bagatanmd Yeah I know, I was just joking. Arthas never died. Death Knights don't NEED to die first. He was transformed while wandering through Northrend with Frostmourne in his hand and the Lich King in his mind. Now, of course he could've died there, but I find it much more likely that he was just transformed over time.
+Jimmy Cen In the case with Sylvanas, Arthas also explicitly said that he wouldn't give her the peace of death, he killed her with the intention of making her suffer even in the afterlife. In the case of Uther, he simply wanted the urn.
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I love Oofer
What, no love for Arfas?
Or Jaynah?
I did a ctrl+f for "oofer"...Didn't have to go down too far :P
Also "The Hordes"
Direfury you mean arfus?
This is one of the greatest side stories of Wrath, I mean without Uther the story couldn't be the same. Thank you Nobbel your vids are great
Despite my Fiery Disposition to all things warm, fuzzy and full of light; this was a great story about Lord Uther. Well met!
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Don't you mean Lord Oofer
If you stand inside the Lordaeron throne room and lower your music you can hear Mediev, Terenas and Arthas's dialogues.
You can also hear the bell outside of the throne room where it used to be. :P
Creepy
Ik it’s pretty cool
I have to say that the story of Uther and Arthas is one is one sentimental ones found within this great fantasy world. The loss of someone righteous and holy, at the hands of his own will to do good, is a theme I myself found very intriguing even at the young age of seven when i played through the WC3 campaign. Reason being the application it has in real life, a principal called: thinking twice. This story had so many opportunities to take a different path that you always come back to it for some, it's the biggest reason I still come back WC3 atleast oce a year. Thanks for these videos, they contain much more wisdom than you might think. You're awesome!
6:41 please don't do that again
Thank you..
Lmao 😂
I mean, I'm all for unity, but that's too close..
I ship it.
Ok I’m glad I’m not the only who noticed thank you
Arffas and Uffer! You're great, Nobbel, and the accent makes your videos that much more awesome!
as a huge paladin fanboy, it made me so happy to see you made a vid on uther !
Well met.
BY THE HOLY LIGHT!
The novel about Arthas was incredible. One of my favorite Warcraft books so far! The fight between Uther and Arthas was described amazingly. Sword through the throat!
This is why Warcraft 3 was so fucking amazing. The story is so DEEEEEP. Nothing WoW could every replicate...
what are you talking about?? Dude, the whole Wrathion, Neltharion and Jaina storylines in WoW are freaking brilliant, top notch writing.
Raul Gonçalves The novels bring more "depth" for the characters than what the actual game presents. Still I love all character development in WoW
It was good, but to call WC3 "deep" is just not true. The hero's fall from glory is one of the most typical stories out there; WC3 may have done it well, but come on now. Don't let your nostalgia make you think it was by any means "deep."
Kids, remember to read quest text before you spread bullshit on the internet. >.>
***** Barely any of the game's history comes from WC3. That game is a year of thousands of years of Azeroth's story.
Uther was killed by Arthas. Hmm lets be realistic, Uther was killed by Arthas and an army of ghouls and meat wagons.
Nah, he was killed by the hundreds of necrolytes i sent his way.
+Verix Forgotten stylish
He was only killed by Arthas because he tried to give him a chance to repent.
You needed those ghouls and meat wagons because Arthas would be a lvl 5/6 hero versus a full power housed lvl 10 paladin Uther. Also remember that paladins can cast "Holy Light" every 10 seconds. If Uther directs this to Arthas solely, he can kill him in a mere 40 seconds. So we need fodder undead creatures to distract Uther, and trick him to directing it to them. Moreover we can't use "Death Coil" on Arthas, so the only way to heal him up is to cast "Death Pact" on undead creatures. That's just the game's way of doing things though...😌
Scirvire The Shadow Blade nope whosyourdaddy that’s why uther lost
Jaina:"who could bear such a burden..." my death knight: "I volunteer as tribute!"
6:37
Uh.... Nobbel... Buddy? What am I looking at...? O-o
My first instinct is to say that this is how to mend the conflicts between Humans and Orcs XD So it shall be then!
It's just a very manly hug.
And IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII will always LOVE YOUUUUUU!!!!
Omg you guys stahp pls I'm dying X'D
The human looks pregnant right? im not the only one ho sees that? xD
the story of my favourite Warcraft character! Well met!
6:40 WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK
I'm happy that I'm not the only one who saw that. I looked at the comments and was like "So are we going to just ignore this?"
agree
Oddball I was thinking the same thing!!!
WAS ABOUT TO WRITE THE SAME THING HAHAHAAHA
D Bartek
but does tirion or eitrigg have a son?
I've always loved the Paladin class ever since Warcraft. Holy warriors with badass hammers? Sign me up!
Now they have to be neutral and thats a good thing, Was tried having to be with Alliance and Horde pigs.
Uther is himself, in a way, responsible for Arthas' fall. If he were to see that the purge was the only way, he would have stood by Arthas' side and make sure to root mal'ganis' corruption before it could destroy him.
Agreed, no other comment, just Agreed.
Yes, another person is responsible for his decisions.
Might as well blame Uther's parents for raising Uther this way.
It's not like Arthas was an adult capable of making his own descisions. Nope, not at all.
idontlikeyouyo You misunderstood. The purge, was actually the only way to try and save the city and prevent an outbreak outside, but uther didn't see it that way an left. When Arthas was alone, ha was more susceptible to manipulation as nobody else was in a position to question him. All i am saying is, that if Uther hadn't have left, he might have been able to see Arthas change and help him before his fall to Ner'zhul.
Kalin1993 I totally agree with you, but also you take that the alliance was sitll fighting the orcs and the plage was just a rising problem, you could say it was a minor problem at that time. Then Uther didn't want to see the purge Arthas was about to commit, but also he was useful in other battles
Thank you someone sees it the way I do!
there was no choice there kill the potential army before it came to completion. Giving up a strategic military point to appease ones conscience is not only silly its stupid what was he supposed to do leave them and let them transform and not only give the enemy a free army but a fortified city as well? the choice tho it sucked was the correct call
Valid point. Although this was the difference between your way of thinking and Uther's. Honor, conscience and morality were his way of living. He would rather fight them later, than risk purging a city that might not become a threat at all. You see a bee, do you burn the bee and the nest to prevent the potential of getting stung? You might have a nest that is going to die off without ever posing a threat to those around it. From a military standpoint, I completely understand your vision, but just remember that something being the "correct" call is in the eye of the beholder :)
Harvey Baver fair point.but if you played Wc3(im assuming you did) you the player and arthas both knew.The result so i cant really knock arthas either way :/
Knives77
Agreed :) and yes, I did. Both made the call they felt was the correct one at the time. It's up to us players to side with which we agree. I've got major feels for Uther and how he felt there, I'd be the same way. I can completely understand Arthas though, and can't really knock him for his actions. Only thing I didn't like was how he treated Uther and used his throne, or...well...."future" throne, the way he did to make accusations of treason and basically belittle his mentor like that for an overthrow of power and control. Kind of dirty on his part IMO.
Harvey Baver im in agreement with this :/
Why is everyone taking the interpretation of a delusionaly arrogant murdering psycho's word for truth especially when it contradicts literally everyone else there? He simply saw those exposed just like the Scarlet Crusade seeing the taint on anyone that so much as live near the undead. Murderous zealot in a world with magic healing.
When i first logged into wow and saw the statue on stormwind (and it was a questline from paladins to get the mount on plaguelands that you summon the spirit of uther too)
Can you make the Story of Tirion? Thank you
Please for the love of everything that is holy, take the audio of these videos and make them into a podcast. This would be so perfect for my long drives to and from work/uni/friends places. Please, please, please!
WELL MET!
KAPPA
SMELL WET!
Skoshtwo hey catch.
6:38 There are so many ways to read this picture, it's just so hard to marshal my thoughts.
At least i wasnt the only one that noticed it.. (HOLY HELL)
Hamza Changazi I ship
R.I.P Uther Lightbringer, you won't be forgotten.
Love all these vids. I catch myself going on a Nobbel spree late at night spending hours listening to lore and speculating on the future. Always good stuff!
Also, I dig the accent. Get a good chuckle now and then hearing about characters like Arfus and Oofer.
Keep up the good work, dude!
Great video, loving your channel for Lore info.
Regarding the question of Stratholme, I think what pushed Arthas' actions into the 'wrong' category is that he didn't even attempt anything else. He, Uther and other Paladins wield the power of the Light, something that by its very nature heals and purifies. The people of Stratholme hadn't been transformed yet, there was no way to know who had or hadn't been infected, etc. Arthas' actions were quick, decisive and definitely prevented the plague from spreading past Stratholme, but it was also the brutal murder of innocent people. It's possible that purging the city would have been truly necessary, but it was an option that could have been held as a last resort, rather than a first response. Arthas was just too quick to use the sword, and that impulsiveness cost him much during his life. This cost him the support of paladins he could have used and wise council that might have prevented him from winding up as an undead supervillain.
I think if Uther truly did anything wrong in Stratholme, it was that he left. He should have been willing to stand up to Arthas, to defend those people, to even fight him if he had to. I realize he wanted to avoid conflict with someone he loved like a son, but it only made things worse. But neither Arthas or Uther could see the future, and were up against someone who could.
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you are the best at what's you do.... thank you... dude.
Nobbel love the vids you are the only lore teller that I can stand listening to other than DD
terenas ruled for 70 years. Uther said he saw terenas struggle with learning how to rule, implying he's older than terenas. holy crap how old wad uther? 100?
+brucekentallen older, 110-120 The Light extended his vitality and physical endurance
86, according to the WC3 book, he's a year older then Terenas II. But his father was a knight of Loredaron and he himself was on that path as well and knew Terenas II when they were younger, similar to Layne and Lothar. That's why he was something of a pseudo-uncle to Arthas, Terenas considered him like a brother. he didn't actually become a paladin until the 2nd war when the Order of the Silver Hand was founded.
Everyone seems to live for centuries in WoW. It would be pretty insulting if only humans aged as quickly as in reality.
09:52 that moment gave me such goosebumps when it happened in the campaign. Great stuff!
the story of tirion and his brother fordragon?
Bolvar Fordragon is not exactly Tirion Fordrings brother. They just call the fellow Paladins, who are/were members of the Silver Hand, brothers.
Yes please, I love Tirion´s history
Héctor Aguilar It's a rather tragic one, he gets exiled and his son get killed. :( I remember the questline in the EPL where you try and save his son from teh Scarlet Crusade.
yes pls
yes please tirion story
See you in the Shadowlands my old friend
5:29
Altar boy walks under Arthas xD
Nobbel has done it again! Great video as usual!
Keep it up man. :)
6:42 uhhh
It's a bromance type of thing lol
LoL
Lmao
I've been waiting for you to do one on Uther! Thanks so much! :D
"Even if you were to strike down the Lich King, another would have to take his place. For without control of its master, the scourge would run rampant across the world - destroying all living things".
Wasn't it the point of the scourge to begin with? To destroy all the living?
If you think about it, it means the Lich King prevented the scourge from actually fulfilling its purpose.
I don't get it.
uther says it a small part of arthas is holding the scourge back
The "chunk" of Arthas remained in the Lich King made it act more based on Arthas' own neurosis than to what the Lich King was really meant to be in the first place. Arthas "held" the Scourge because he wanted first to corrupt the greatest heroes of Azeroth and turn them in his most powerful subjects. Why? Because it was a perfect reflection of Arthas' own story and journey in Northrend: he went to Northrend for save his people and destroy his enemies, but him giving in to his darker emotions made him prey of the Lich King, becoming his servant; Arthas, now himself Lich King, wanted to do the exact same thing and see if these "heroes" were really all about "righteousness" or if anger, hatred and rage guided their actions deep within. Regardless, he wanted them to follow the same path, because, in a nutshell, would have proven to himself and the rest of the world that no one was better than him, that everyone would have fallen like him in the same circumstances.
So yeah, in the end everything was about the psychological issues of the last vestiges of humanity left within the Lich King. Kinda fucked up.
Thank you for that - even though I'm a horde player since day one - uther has been one of my favorites in warcraft III.
As much as I love your rolling R's, Oofer is just really really really _______.
thanks for the video. Uther has always been one of my favorite characters.
Yea, Arthas managed to defeat Uther... More like 12 ghouls and 6 Meat Wagons.
3:38 The exciting feeling of "Wooooah there it is... The kid"
Its so sad when you deliver the badge to uther.
Thank you Nobbel :-) I really enjoy your content, please continue your great work!
Do the stort of kel'thuzad
Great video as always, Nobbel. One slight thing; during the battle at the foot of Blackrock Mountain, Turalyon gave Uther the title of "Lightbringer" was because during that battle, the Light physically manifested itself around Uther, the first Paladin who had ever managed to do this. Just pointing it out because it was one of my favorite parts of Tides of Darkness. :)
What Uther did to Tirion was fucked up. I can't say that he was pressed to banish him and strip him of his powers BECAUSE of duty, because Uther bailed in purging Stratleholme, even at the risk that Tirion took on protecting his own personal honor. Uther is a hypocrite, and those are the worst type of 'good guy'. I can't relate or sympathize with Uther for this sole reason.
I was so pissed. I love Uther, but I agree, that was crazy dirty how he's based around Honor, and yet doesn't respect another for being honorable in keeping his word and saving someone who doesn't want to fight anymore. Although, I don't think Tirion fully disclosed everything to Uther as to the details, but you would think with the past they have together, Uther would take his word for it. Idk, it's been a while since I've played that storyline. I agree though, Mr. Fordring got shafted with a spiked bat on that one.
Harvey Baver Ya, im glad you agree! You bring up an interesting point with Tirion seeming like he didn't defend himself adequately. I think he was feeling guilty for breaking code, and was wanting a harsh punishment so he can keep his promise to Eitrigg, without sacrificing his own personal honor, which was very important to him, even if he was seen as treasonous to everyone who knew of him and respected him. It's really tragic and sad. It felt as if Uther was conflicted in his verdict, and that he felt like he HAD to excommunicate him. If it was up to Uther, solely, he'd probably have him stay. But rules are rules, and i don't have a problem with that. What i did have a problem is when he grew a moral backbone with Arthus, follow his own moral compass, and said FU to his duties, just like Tirion, only not to be punished for it (unlike Tirion). It makes him a hypocrite, and hypocrites cannot take the moral high ground without being a scummy bastard.
Oldangr A saint can commit a murder and still be tried as a murderer. Uther committed treason also so what he did to Tirion was *wrong*. How is there no double standard? That makes him a hypocrite, and the worst type of individual. I don't like Uther for this sole reason, though he may be a good and honest man like Tirion.
Arthus charged him with treason lol. Uther bitched out on purging Stratholme, which had to be done at some point or another. If being severed from the light as a paladin or priest being one of the worst possible punishment, then Uther should of known that Tirion really felt what he was doing was right. How is it any different than what Uther did? Uther trusted Tirion, and must of known better, but followed their strict rules anyways, stripping him of his Paladin powers.
Oldangr Besides, I don't think Arthas had any real authority to command Uther at that point. Not to mention that until that point, all Uther knew was that the plague killed people, having no idea about the zombification.
I think I'd like to go check with the king before purifying a city like that on the words of a prince you know to be young and impulsive.
Awesome stuff man, keep up the good work and thanks.
That’s the end of his story... Shadowlands be like 😎😎😎
I remember escorting Uther on a ship in Warcraft, was it Orcs versus Humans? I just realized I've been playing Blizzard games my whole life!
That would be Warcraft 2: Tides of Darkness! I too remember it fondly. :D
Awesome, I love Warcraft lore, also your when you say "R" I just imagine Uther :D. Well done, and "Well met"! Waiting for more cool content.
Loving your videos with lore of Warcraft!
Original voice actor for arthas
you brought back suppressed memories of Hearthglen on heroic in Warcraft 3. I was elated when that cutscene played
19:27 wow i dint know how tall were jaina and uther, they are really tall humans
it´s because they´re elite npcs.
watch the short clip when voljin gets the new warchief, she is gigantic xD
That moment when you realize uther and arthas is just obiwan and anikan without a Luke skywalker redemption arc.
damn this video showed so many plot hole blizz has in its stories. plus the
"there should always be a lich king" never made sense to me. the scourge was a threat cause they were led by the lich king, but with out a leader they are stronger? if that was the case why doesn't the lich king let his troops run wild.
Couldn't agree more man.... I always thought... personally IMO... that the spirits were "Manipulated" (kinda like Kil'Jaeden did to Rulkan for Ner'Zhul) and that Bolovar was a set up. Ner''Zhul had visions, and one was Frostmourne crossing paths Ashbringer, so perhaps Lich king via Ner'Zhul saw their untimely defeat and decided to make Bolovar as Lich king. I mean, of all the space in ICC, Arthas brought him up to his throne. While Lich King was fighting us, Bolovar just mysteriously broke free and sat on the throne like Palpatine in ROTJ? What better stragety than let the world think the LK is dead, Scourge driven to ground, let them forget about you... than... Kick some ass? Oh and exactly WTF is up with Kel'Thuzad and his phylactery? Something is up with the Scourge for sure!
I think they wanted a way to preserve the Lich King for later use.
Tetris Is So Unrealistic
i know, but you got to admit the way they did it wasn't that good or hashed out
***** A part of Arthas was holding the Scourge back, and without him they would run rampant. That's what "there must always be a Lich King" meant.
the scourge .. a shit load of wankers .. controlled by good boy arthas to do nothing. once good boy arthas is gone. the wankers will run loose. therefore there always must be another good boy arthas to stop the wankers from wanking
Uthers story somehow becomes Athus story. Focus man.
5:24. so we just gonna ignore that kid who crawled through Arthas' cloak.....Ok.
I still laugh every time you put the image with Eitrig and Tirion in your videos. Nevertheless, well done, as always.
I heard he also liked to throw parties
"succeeding you .....father!" chills watcing that scene. Arthas has among the best lore in game and was my only reason for playing wow so that i can see how his ending comes about.
Whos here after the Bastion Trailer?
Another awesome lore video Nobbel!
Was not aware that Tirion lost his holy powers at one point. WHen the hell did he get that back? :P
Same story!
+Tyzane Uther took back the powers of the light given to Tirion when he was charged with treason but the light never truly left Tirion even though he felt its absence. When he attempted to heal the orc he promised to protect, he felt the light flow through his veins as it once did back when he was a paladin :)
+Tyzane such a stupid thing that someone can took light away from you..what is it? galactic football?
The light answers as long as you have faith in it, Tirion's faith was weakened by the ruling even though he felt he made the right decision but believed that he didn't deserve the light, once he felt the need of it again it answered him.
same reason the Scarlet Crusade could still use the light, or even Horsemen Zeliek.
+gzkyg34 Uther could only take it away because Uther was the first paladin, ever.
The teacher throw his student into the Maw.
Justice bruh
Uther is a badass. Well met! ;)
Badass? Uther was a racist fucking pig and I was so happy when Arthas killed him. As I like to say, if you're neutral you are a good perosn, if you are Alliance or Horde you are a traitor.
#PallyLivesMatter
JM Clark Only good character or Paladin was tirion and neutral ones,
I'm seriously surprised you haven't done an Ashbringer video yet Nobbel, would be your most viewed video yet.
You need a cool intro dude.
love you man! always good storys! dont know if you make one of Maarad, if you didnt will appreciate it.
Edit:
Maarad is one of the paladins who i admire. And again, didnt play Heros of the Storm long time now, but he reserves something in alliance history! since i seen him on TBC cinematic i started love him
feel so sad cuz arthas has become a death knight and later on lich king,i wish Lordaeron still stands with King Terenas and Uther the Lightbringer alive...
+Ross Lynch perhaps in the emerald dream
+unnderdogOO7 I really hope you meant that comment as a joke...
In case you weren't joking: The Emerald Dream isn't a dream world, it's basically a seperate world parallel to Azeroth wherein Society and it's creatures never existed, an 'ideal' image of how the Titans imagined the planet's final blueprint. Of course, they knew that wouldn't exist - hence why the Dream's just that - a Dream of an ideal peaceful world.
would be a good ideea to make an update for this story or continuation , since shadowlands had alot of content about him :)
Great video, especially for someone new to the Warcraft series like me who didn't experience these stories when they were fresh.
But...
6:38 - 6:43
c'mon did you REALLY need to use this picture?!
Twitter said yes :p
Problem?
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Wow ! This is great ! I just subbed to your channel. I love to hear the lore about wow. Thank you that you are doing this. I think that spoken word is more easily absorbed than reading, in my personal opinion that is. Your voice and english is great ! (I'm dutch myself btw). Anyway, thank you very much and I hope you can and will continue for a long time.
If the Scourge, without a master, could destroy the world, doesn't that mean that Ner'Zhul was a really bad Lich King?
Well, I guess... but it was more due to what was left of Arthas' mind holding the scourge back.
No.
Think of it like this: with the Lich King focusing on Alliance and Horde forces, the scourge are constantly working to that end. Even when he sat, dreaming, he had some kind of mild intentions, such as building Icecrown Citadel over the five years after WCIII.
Now imagine that any and all control is lost.
More accurately, imagine the Scourge as a single body. It has a conscious brain ("attack the Argent Pinnacle"), a subconscious brain ("build this wall") and it has an absent brain. What is an absent brain? Imagine a person having a seizure. Someone just shaking, vibrating, flailing, unable to focus, every muscle spasming wildly. Without a Lich King, the scourge would be in a seizure, everywhere in the world, attacking ferally, without any intent at all and with no end game.
Good guy Tirion.
oofer
arfas
Kael' falas
Peter Gerrell stfu u idiots dont watch his fucking vids if ur jsut ganna make fuk u 'fucking idiots'
I'm actually named after my dead Grand father. "Pete"
Everyone, there's a new low to stupidity and immaturity.
It's called "Brendan Detter"
Glad you could make it, arthas, Watch your Tone with me Arthas, you may be arthas but i am still your superior as an Arthas
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! WHY? Why didn't you include Uther's proclamation and warrant to Aiden Perenolde? :( Come on please add it to the video? It's inportant beacause it shows us that Uther is not a saint. By the way Aiden Perenoldeis one of my favorite characters
This need a deserved update. :)
I would love to hear the story of Genn Greymane.
I sadly can't get the comic anywhere near me :(
Wish they would do another warcraft game.
So, ultimately Arthas was still (barely) the good guy?
Xenos369 Arthas was always good. The moment he met Mal'Ganis he got trapped in his own bubble of vengeance and cared little for his men, and he completly lost his sanity when he picked up Frostmourne.
WoWFtw8 Considering Dreadlords are cunning silver tongued bastards that can corrupt anyone with mere words, i think Arthas wasn't really "trapped in a bubble of vengeance" , more like being under some sort of perception twisting spell
WoWFtw8 Arthas in the past was like Theon,just doing bad choices.
Sergio Dias Meh, the only really bad choice he did was to go to Northrend. The purging of Stratholme was the only thing that worked, not even Uther found out another way.
Plus he was right about the people there, they were already dead anyway. He just took the fast and easy way.
I think you little right but it was better Arthas defending Lordaeron from scourge,but Lich king said Arthas was his serve since begin.
Nothing like a Nobbel Lore vid to get you set up for the impending horrors of the week ahead!!
hey nobble can you do tirion story next monday pls i have never knew his full story
Was this ever done?
@@kasesmith261 Yes. Just now!
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love love love the lore videos! Keep up the great work!
OH NO!
This entire city must be purged!
YESS OMG YESSS I WANTED THIS STORY :DDDD Thanks Nobbel!!!!!
This channel is amazing! I've been looking for the story of pandaria to catch up( since i stopped playing wow after wotlk, restarting now for WoD), instad i found this precious diamond and got addicted to the lore ;p
By the way - Warcraft 3 english voiceover sucks ballz in my opinion, try listening to polish version - it has depth, it has emotion, it made the entire game unforgettable(you could literally feel Arthas' anger when chasing Malganis), english ver is pale and emotionless in comparison.
I beg to differ, I find the voices of WC3 in English more realistic. It does have emotion but it doesn't go out of it's way to prove it.
Xa3rio - Masz rację. Dubbing polski w W3 jest zajebisty i epicki.
Nobbel, you should make a Lore vid about Tirion, the story that went towards his judging made me interested as to how his story played out before he became the Ashbringer.
Can we get the story of Illidan?
Yup
DAMN!! How I love this channel!!
if Arthas became a deathknight then when did he die?
In WotLK.
I think he means when you become a death knight, you die. So when did set has die?
bagatanmd Yeah I know, I was just joking. Arthas never died. Death Knights don't NEED to die first. He was transformed while wandering through Northrend with Frostmourne in his hand and the Lich King in his mind. Now, of course he could've died there, but I find it much more likely that he was just transformed over time.
Arfus? Oofer? Udders? lol Good video! Love all the lore vids, keep them coming!
ah tirion you could have just lead them to the wrong place
Tuaren Spirit Walker Yes but that would sully his "honor" just remember he gave up everything even his family for "honor".
Good vid bro, i didnt know about the vanella quest via Uther's Statue... so its good i stopped by XD
So he killed by Arthas I see. But why didn't Arthas turns him into an undead just like he did to Sylvanas?
Because Uther is a paladin. And he also have the power of light
Utter was too powerful as well I think.
+The TimeStorm Uther*
+Jimmy Cen In the case with Sylvanas, Arthas also explicitly said that he wouldn't give her the peace of death, he killed her with the intention of making her suffer even in the afterlife. In the case of Uther, he simply wanted the urn.
paladins cant be cursed, they only can turn into death knigths by his own will.
Love your Lore vids Nobbel, keep it going :)