I don't mind the MC having slaves. But don't make them seem like a "savior" to the slaves and the slaves were "willing" and "offering" themselves to be their slave. That's just braindead
@@samuek607 yeah that's the main problem. Like if the MC were forced to or willingly owns a slave. It's fine for the MC to treat them a bit "nicer" but don't make it seem like a good thing
@@twelthdoctor1273 I would say that an evil MCs that buys slaves for labor is actually nicer than MCs that buys slaves but doesn't free them just because he can treat them "nice". At least the evil MCs acknowledged their existence
@captainmarba1504 that’s what I’m saying. An evil MC is still evil but at least he can acknowledge the fact that slavery is bad and uses it for his own benefit and goals instead of the brainless “good guy” MC’s who just buy people as objects to serve them with no extra reason except being horny bastards that most of the time are glazed by the world harder than Gege glazes Sukuna.
@@Daily-PE That's a thing (not a manga, it's a a novel that got posted online). It's called "His Soul is Marching On to Another World; or, the John Brown Isekai" It goes about how you'd expect
I feel like they are trying to capitalize off of the Rising of the Shield Hero's slave thing without actually realising what made it popular or interesting in the first place. I'll explain it further on a later date. Update to this comment: Hey, it's been a good minute and while I was busy I took some amount of time to think what I typed and how I should handle this. So I want to start off with the first things first: While I do think that the Rising of the Shield Hero is a major component into why the slave trend in isekai is a thing I don't think it's the pioneer of this trend (damn that's a sentence I have said, huh). Besides while I have looked a bit into this before making a further explanation, it's still a fucking youtube comment at the end of the day from an idiot by the time of writing it's like midnight or so. So don't expect any accuracies into potential timelines. With a brain tiring itself out included so the writing might degrade quite a bit. Oh, there will be spoilers for the Rising of the Shield Hero if you care for that sort of thing at all. So to explain my comment further, what I am talking about is that this manga was trying it's best to make you root for the hero in a very lazy manner by making it seem that he is a good guy, a saviour to each and everyone of those girls who end up want to be a slave. It's fucking stupid and uninteresting. Also, none of the girls (I have seen so far) were interesting with the little I have read. I have already forgotten who they were because they are just the protags slaves anyway, so who cares. So it's not lazy but also uninteresting in the isekai trends it was aiming for. I have read my fair bit of isekai slop but I just couldn't bear with this one, I was just so unbothered and uncaring. Now, the LN/Anime that I mentioned in there was the Rising of the Shield Hero. Why was that? Well, it was (from my memory anyway) this show/LN that was a major pusher for the isekai/fantasy tropes like the slave one and the betrayal one (Like seriously, there are a serious number of slop fanatasy mangas where the main mc is betrayed by the hero party and its topic worth on its own imo). But the the reason for it's massive contribution in popularity is because of it's own and also that it was written pretty well (atleast, raphtalias introduction anyway). For instance, the manga in the video wants you too root for the protag and that he is a "savior" because he is the protaganist and that's about it. Naufumi from shield hero in the meanwhile, has believable motivations as to why we should root for him and why he is a good person from the start. Before being summoned, he has helped out his brother getting over his substance, drug or alcohol addiction (not sure which one it was, but it was an addiction from my memory), he is friendly enough with others as to say hi to people walking by and social enough to start conversation. When he got summoned to the other world and became the shield hero, no one wanted to join until Myne did only to betray him and make him look as evil as possible. Leaving with Naufumi not only with no money, no people to help him out but also place to stay. He was completely shut out. So he desperately tried to level himself up (cause the 4 sacred weapons used a mmo based power up system and all that yap) using offense so he can kill things faster and get money and more power that way, but lacks the said offense in that time and since no one wanted to join him he had to make desperate calls. Which led to him buying Raphtalia, so that she can become the offense and he then can level faster. The two went on a pretty fun little quest together to level up and Naufumi took care of Raphtalia like a dad would their daughter. Which after the first fight with the Spear hero where Raphtalias slave brand got forcefully removed against her will, made her decide to redo the brand and remain as Naufumis "slave". So it's not that she became a slave and more of a reminder of how they met. Anyway, so what was the point of all of this fucking yapping I did just now? Basically, the reason why I think the slave trope worked pretty well in here had nothing to do with the actual trope itself just for the sake of it (I mean, there is filo aswell but she doesn't really know what the slave brand is anyway and Naufumi didn't use it at all since Raphtalia "grew up" as far as I remember so she couldn't have known). There were actual understandable reasons as too why it happened and the bond progression between Naufumi and Raphtalia was just simply fun to see. And then with (while odd to just rebrand again imo) a satisfying conclusion at the end of it which makes a decent amount of sense. But then there is the manga in this video. Why make a serious story when all you need is a popular genre and trend without making it actually interesting, then make it a soft core hentai (I'm calling it what it is) which is never taken serious anyways? That is what I meant with this stupid ass 1 sentance comment, but because of things I had to do I couldn't let all out. Aight I am done now. It's almost 1AM and I need to work tomorrow (or today if we are going technical), Peace.
@samuek607 he's setting up for 20 chapters from now where he'll start to explain, but the villain will kill him before he can go too in depth. So then you'll have clues to investigate the villain on later.
Ah, yes, a particular idea that one show makes it's entire premise about and puts at it's center to exploit all the possibilities that makes the premise of that particular piece of media, just to be taken to a completetly different one, where the author expects to get the same results despite not having such develoment, it happened to morally right slave harems, LiTRPG elements for no reason, nation creation with more characters than dialoge lines, and so many other tropes, only Xianxia may have worse things than medieval fantasy anime/manga/LN
TV tropes describes the "cyclic trope", where a trope starts out in a piece of media, gets overused by other media, and is then deconstructed into something new, which is then promptly overused, before being reconstructed into its original form (if a bit different). Isekai is still in the "overuse the original incarnation" phase. Normally, I'd expect something like re:zero to be the deconstruction work that would change that, but it seems the isekai market has so much momentum it didn't have much of an effect.
Kind of like what happened to magical girls, i think. And i believe isekai will soon be replaced by a different trend, at which point most isekai stories will have to change or be exceptional in order to get attention. Maybe then we will see the second form of isekai.
5:27 I think Kagurabachi has become more than just a meme at this point. It's actually good. The art is consistently incredible, and the characters are fun, interesting, and present more depth than they initially let on (this is especially true for Chihiro). If you give it a shot, I'm almost certain it will not disappoint.
I believe this one is a reupload from late 2023, so that’s probably why it’s a meme. You’re absolutely spitting facts, though. Kagurabachi is fire and my current favourite weekly manga.
I've only seen, "male MC gets female slaves" done well like 3 times out of dozens of others. One thing they all have in common, is that the MC isn't playing the, "nice guy" archetype while owning said slaves. They also don't JUST have female slaves, and they're not used for harem work. They have clear purposes as to why the engage in slavery. Like, "if I don't get more man-power however I can right now, we're all going to die" kind of purposes. Few things grind my gears as much as an MC trying to be passed off as a savior or nice guy despite dabbling in the slave trade. Sure, the MC can still be a nice guy, but as long as they're not trying to gaslight buying slaves as a good thing, it can work out. Funnily enough, the most recent slave harem manga I've seen actually did a decent job. MC is generic loser isekai guy who buys two slaves for the purpose of touchy-touchy, but becausr he's so cowardly?, he ends up failing to fulfill his original purpose for buying them. Not only does MC admit to himself that it's bad, but the slaves didn't act like he was a savior right off the bat either. To the point that he treated them so well that they did end up seeing him as a kind of savior as a misunderstanding of him trying and failing to get "intimate" with them. It's still a relatively trash series, but it's the good kind, and was kinda funny. Edit* He ALWAYS fails, because he's dumb, and it's fkin funny.
How about the MC can legitimately be buying people out of slavery because they know that it is wrong to have slaves, and that he also wants to save the lives of the slaves? Yeah, none of you all ever considered THOSE things now, have you?
I've actually committed to writing a comic about someone who got reincarnated into another world as a cat girl, only to be forced to be a slave to your typical overpowered isekai protagonist. It seemed like an amusing concept at first glance, but the more I thought about it the darker and serious it got.
I could MAYBE accept this idea that Protag-Kun buying slaves is good IF the work is willing to show an actual understanding of the brutality of the ancient world. If, like in ancient times, slavery was ubiquitous and unavoidable, then perhaps the MC saving them from a worse fate and giving them a chance for a better life might be good. After all, there's only so much one person can do. But that would only work if Protag-Kun was a good man genuinely trying to do his best in a terrible world. Instead, it seems to be mostly used as an excuse to justify, even glamorise slave owning, which is disgusting.
I think that was the point of the Isekai genre as a whole but them doing the slave thing seen as a good thing because the MC saved them and their in love is not the direction they should’ve went with that trope, like if your going to have the MC save slaves then don’t have the MC in turn be a the exact same thing that they just saved them from.
It hasn’t. Isekai vanishing wouldn’t make the changes you think it would. It’s a big thing right now because it sucks in new and crap light novelists, which in turn get mined by crap studios for content. If Isekai suddenly disappeared, the people involved aren’t going to suddenly get good.
@@skycastrum5803 See the problem is it happens way to many times where the MC is the righteous one but he has slaves, I wouldn’t mind it if the Isekai in question either had the MC be a kind of villain like he’s a as*hole or something like that or have it where the MC has to pretend he has slaves to save them from a corrupted world something like that ya know, cause when you think about a lot of these Isekai MC’s they really don’t have the personality that you would think they would be cool with havin slaves like it doesn’t fit any Isekai protagonist character’s from the ones I saw. I know this kind of is wish fulfillment kind of, but I feel like they try to paint the hero like this upstanding saint of a character and he lectures the bad guy but then becomes the bad guy himself by doing the exact same thing only difference is their willing to be the hero’s slave and he’s nice to them so in actuality they become a hypocrite, like do it like this have it where they all go free saved from the antagonist and then if one or two want to be the hero’s partner by their own free will than it’ll be on equal standing not a I’m the master and you have no say ya know like it won’t be the whole I bought a slave or saved them and now their mine to do what I please, like no have the MC have a twisted world view or have it part of the plot where it’s a terrible universe and he’s doing what he can, not the whole oh this a good thing because the hero saved them from someone evil angle.
@@Skye2993 I chalk that up to the authors being crap, whether due to being new or just not very good. They lean on the slavery tropes because it's a trope and was, in at least one instance, successful. However, it's tough to write certain subjects in ways that make sense. Especially if they're really wanting to tell a different story and leaning on the slave thing because "trope." On MCs being crap but praised as heroes, yeah... Far too common. Not sure how much cultural difference goes into it, though some of the stuff people put out seems insane. Worst I found was basically pokemon with people. Every other arc he tricks some girl he just helped out into a knockoff pokeball, and it's always treated like a positive thing. Even throws in gacha monster condenser mechanics to make things more creepy.
I remember reading this manga and enjoying it , now a couple yrs have passed now i feel like a dumbass , don't judge me i was teenager, now looking back at it it's brainrot
@@samuek607i mainly enjoyed ot at the time bc i found it funny any time he wanted to lose his virginity, something unexpected would happen and stop him from carrying out his impure taughts . I kept reading bc i was curious to see if he would eventually get laid
Cut the video to half the original length! Gotten a bunch of claims lately, so I'm trying to rework some older videos, and I figured I'd start with the one where they had nothing to do with the topic lol (sub for more bad manga)
@@samuek607 I forgot when I first found your video but the "Overpowered MC done right (Kim Dokja)" is what makes me stick with your channel. And your way of explaining is also nice
Things like this make me wonder: if I went through with making a "subversive" isekai, would anyone even be interested? Oh well, only one way to find out
Oh, you 100% should do it. I'm thinking the MC is Re-Zero levels of cringe in the beginning. You do have to let it play out long enough for the consequences and growth to play out. Maybe have the MC be summoned with 1 other person, but they're a speedrunner and instantly clip through the floor. The MC was summoned to shave off a few seconds from dialogue/ distract the kingdom while the speedrunner does all the actual work.
@@seaneaston1040 Hah, I see what you mean, though I wanted this to be a monster isekai. See, I actually love the concept... and 99% of the genre is filled with things that boil my blood, including making the MC human(oid) as soon as possible. What I intend is that he arrives as a ring, functionally being a magically talented paraplegic. In his old life, he did something physical as his main interest, so being unable to have a real body is going to be like torture for him. I want him to undergo an AM moment that makes him somewhat of a bastard, "morally grey" with moments of humanity. But, the thing is, his main mode of transportation is possessing people. This power will force him to peer into the thoughts, fears, and desires of whoever his bearer is, force him to empathise even as he is effectively lobotomising them. Eventually he will come into conflict with his father, who went down the stereotypical hero route as a normal human, and come out a better person for it, before focusing on the actual villain of the story.
@@mislavkrznaric1635 That sounds rather interesting. Maybe purely possessing people takes a large amount of mental energy depending on who wears you. Stronger people tend to have stronger wills/minds. I'd find it interesting if the person (ring) functioned a bit like a devil/angel on the shoulder who can take take control if needed. Also, you have to have a moment when someone who is possessed by a demon puts on the ring and the ring person and the demon both have an 'oh shit' moment before battling for control over the person's mind and body. You could have the person also fight them both, taking sides when one gets too strong, idk. Lots of fun shenanigans you can have with this premise. Maybe a sacrifice could be the hero (not dad) convincing the demon lord that the ring is a power boost. The demon lord puts on MC, and has to either deescalate the situation or fight to give the hero an opening. A real 'which path do I choose' moment.
@@mislavkrznaric1635 Also, the implication for the speedrun one would be that the MC would have to do all the typical hero fights and things without any of the abilities/qualifications. Can you rally/lead a team when you can't wield a sword? How do you stall a monstrous boss until the speedrunner gets the drop he wants in a dungeon 500 miles away and clips through the ground to get to where you're at? It could very much be working in the established rules while being extremely underpowered.
@@byyuwryy7905 They really had a chance to talk about the moral question of Drafting people into combat and if it is moral or not. But it just became something else.
Was he? That a newer thing? When it was newer, people seemed to be hard overlooking the fact the raccoon girl pretty much could leave whenever she wanted.
@@skycastrum5803 You are not wrong. But she was still under the slave crest. She knew that she had no skills and no food and the world is in danger to be destroyed. The selfish nature of royalty caused much of the death to begin with. The issue is that the story went the male loneliness route than the military draft route. They did do well enough, but it ran out of steam once the false allegation arc ran its course. If the Royalty (Government) drafted all the slaves in mass and forced them to work with the heroes, they would have more material to work with. There would be NO reason that the heroes would be denied troops to level up when their lives are at stake. Any general worth his salt would be in rage at the stupidity of the royalty or citizens for treating the heroes who are responsible to SAVE THE LIVES.
@@nowlwane9623 Sorry, I didn’t quite catch if you were saying the story included drafting slaves or “should have” included it. Although from what I know, that was generally a pretty good summary of the series, especially the running out of steam. Personally, I believe the slavery controversy would not exist if the author didn’t want the edginess of naming an entire type of magic after slavery. Just give the crest an original purpose and have people abuse it by using it for slavery. It’s not like the MC actually uses it for having slaves. Not that I wish it did. The controversy is a fun subject. Only real downside is how it’s probably thanks to RotSH that trashier Isekai latched onto the theme. The “no skills or food” thing is an interesting situation. On her side, she’s stuck with either trying to survive alone or having the crest and fighting. On MC’s, my view is that helping her would be a good thing, but it isn’t his responsibility. He already did a good thing in getting her out of her original situation. But his own situation isn’t that great either. I agree that the human kingdom is kind of insane, but it did help in creating some rather interesting conflicts.
There are SO MANY stories like this on Royal Road. How is the concept of overpowered protagonists THIS popular? Are people really that thirsty for power fantasies?
@maxwellwelcome6810 Not true. In some series you can sneak the skills and abilities from others very easily. Redo of Healer is one such example. All Keyaru has to do is heal the target one time and all their years worth of battle experience and techniques are his. In theory you could also get lucky and poach someone else's kill to steal their skills.
I'd love to see a take on isekai where the protag stands up and actually tries to stop slave trading. You can even keep the part where every women he saves falls in love with him, I just want one story where the writer treats the girls as people instead of property. And if that already exists, I want more of it.
There is the John Brown Isekai. It's a Webnovel but the Protag is a real historical civil rights fighter who gets isekai'd after his execution and murders the first slave owner he meets with a rock. I'll be honest I don't find the writing to be stellar but it's a fun premise.
Especially when the protagonist is so powerful that he's setting out for world domination. At that point you can no longer claim that there's nothing you can do to end slavery.
I wanna write a Lightnovel that gives a different vibe and combines the worst genres from the US and Japan: Isekai and YA Dystopia. But seeing how my piece could get overshadowed by horny overpowered MC bottom-feeder fantasy gave me a second thought whether I should continue my after college plan.
Keep trying and let me give you a secret to get your story noticed. First write something else that gives shock value. Now once you're noticed write the things you actually want.
It's wild how much it's become a subgenre in the manga scene. Or just everywhere in general. The one non-morally bankrupt example I can think of is Mukoda from Campfire Cooking looking for employees. People explain slavery being the main thing, and so man's buys their freedom and pays them well/are free to leave at any time. Still can't believe he/Fel/Sui hasn't dismantled that institution yet though.
Idk about you guys but I just have this feeling that most mangas that involve the idea of a harem are doing a disservice to what actually can go on within relationships that comprise of more than two people. I feel like they downplay the very real possibility of how most people in harems or polyamorous relationships have worsened mental health problems and overplay how “fun” it actually is to have throes of women in your company. It’s willful ignorance at best and downright deplorable at worst. Some impressionable reader might actually believe that in order to be happy they must go out of their way to collect people as objects for their own purposes all because they saw someone in a manga do it. Yes, that does set a very socially irresponsible message.
LOL, I remember seeing this manga several years ago. I think I made it about...one chapter in, where he landed in the middle of a village of orcs, I think? And they were all the JRPG-Anime pig-man type of orc rather than western orc, but they were friendly to him which I thought at the time was unique. I don't remember now when it happened, I'm not sure if it was IN that chapter, or elsewhere, but I heard that he would end up just murdering that entire orc village for essentially no reason, and that immediately made me go, "Holy shit, I am OUT. I'm not getting invested in that kind of pizza-cutter edginess, no thank you." And I've had no reason to regret my decision, lol. Now, hilariously enough, to actually watch this video and see what he says about it, lol. EDIT Yep, sounds about right, pretty much. There's been a lot of manga who have been riding a train called, "How far can we push the NSFW envelope and still keep this mainstream enough to rake in the big bucks?" and it's pathetic how poorly done those mangas and animes are, even if they weren't leaning on the smut like a crutch. (Actually, not like a crutch. Bad anime and Manga are like the 5 foot tall, 500 pound Walmart patron, and the totally-not-pr0n is like the mobility scooter hauling their fat a--es around because they were too lazy to walk for so long that now they _can't_ walk on their own)
Agreed. And I would say, that even authors of a little better works, like Mushoku tensei or Rising of a shield hero don`t understand and downplay slavery. Anyway, I lately came across a good isekai - No longer allowed in another world , with Osamu Dazai type of a protagonist.
Yah, this manga, manages to be stagnant and more degenerate as it goes on. I dropped this manga a long time ago. There something wrong with the fact that he only touches them with magical tentacles. It as if he has no interest in giving the girls any real intimacy.
John Brown the isekai. Listen to me brother. The only good isekai about slavery as main topic. His soul marches on in God's glory even in another world!!!
i dunno if saying i miss when isekai wans't like that is right cause it already was, its just that its was slighly less bad. but yeah i fell isekai genre has a lot of potentia but most if not all of it is wasted
Ah yes. The manga where the MC always gets consent before having sex. By an author who hilariously misunderstands how consent works. According to the story, consent obtained through brainwashing and torture is A-OK and a sign that the MC is a true gentleman.
Oh this one huh.... Last i read it was at his sister still alive and the general chicks or beast lady? But in summary, this series has no up gain just wet dream by author using "gacha" as excuse to make the MC not always has great luck but excuse me just look at that...😮
@@samuek607 The MC from the porn video games serie from Alicesoft. Kinda like the MC from this video, except his OPness is earned over the course of the game, he rapes first ask questions later, and don't pretend to be a good guy ( nor is trying to be an edgelord, aside from the rapes ).
Manga and anime used to be very different. Isekai's stranglehold on the genre didn't start until the release of Sword Art Online in 2012. I remember Code Geass being a big deal when I was a teenager. In the 80s, during the economic boom in Japan you could get weird projects by just out of art school types funded by an investor, leading to crazy stuff. Heck, before Go Nagai waged his personal war against parent groups in the 60s and 70s, fanservice was rare and considered lurid!
Я пам'ятаю часи коли ісекай ще був відносно свіжим та крутим. No game no life, після якого я також знайшла 12 королівст і sword art online який на момент виходу здавався не генієм але гарно зробленим після них усе інше не вражало, хоча ре зеро виглядав цікавим. А от далі я вже не розумію чому таке сміття як overlord комусь могло подобатися, як і перетворення на слиз. З появою всіх цих ісекаїв я просто перестала дивитися аніме взагалі
I don't mind the MC having slaves. But don't make them seem like a "savior" to the slaves and the slaves were "willing" and "offering" themselves to be their slave. That's just braindead
I don't think all MCs have to be good people, so making it seem like a righteous act is definitely what grates me
@@samuek607 yeah that's the main problem. Like if the MC were forced to or willingly owns a slave. It's fine for the MC to treat them a bit "nicer" but don't make it seem like a good thing
Agreed, an evil MC that buy’s slaves for forced labour is better than one who buys slaves because he’s just such a “nice” guy
@@twelthdoctor1273 I would say that an evil MCs that buys slaves for labor is actually nicer than MCs that buys slaves but doesn't free them just because he can treat them "nice". At least the evil MCs acknowledged their existence
@captainmarba1504 that’s what I’m saying. An evil MC is still evil but at least he can acknowledge the fact that slavery is bad and uses it for his own benefit and goals instead of the brainless “good guy” MC’s who just buy people as objects to serve them with no extra reason except being horny bastards that most of the time are glazed by the world harder than Gege glazes Sukuna.
These guys would usually be the c tier villains that the main protagonist would defeat to save the slaves.
Sigh……
Fr, where is John Brown when you need him
@@Daily-PE That's a thing (not a manga, it's a a novel that got posted online). It's called "His Soul is Marching On to Another World; or, the John Brown Isekai"
It goes about how you'd expect
@wallacerg9udcbldmvuihroaw511 To bad, it is only a novel, would be great to see John brown punch one of these protagonists
I feel like they are trying to capitalize off of the Rising of the Shield Hero's slave thing without actually realising what made it popular or interesting in the first place. I'll explain it further on a later date.
Update to this comment:
Hey, it's been a good minute and while I was busy I took some amount of time to think what I typed and how I should handle this. So I want to start off with the first things first: While I do think that the Rising of the Shield Hero is a major component into why the slave trend in isekai is a thing I don't think it's the pioneer of this trend (damn that's a sentence I have said, huh). Besides while I have looked a bit into this before making a further explanation, it's still a fucking youtube comment at the end of the day from an idiot by the time of writing it's like midnight or so. So don't expect any accuracies into potential timelines. With a brain tiring itself out included so the writing might degrade quite a bit. Oh, there will be spoilers for the Rising of the Shield Hero if you care for that sort of thing at all.
So to explain my comment further, what I am talking about is that this manga was trying it's best to make you root for the hero in a very lazy manner by making it seem that he is a good guy, a saviour to each and everyone of those girls who end up want to be a slave. It's fucking stupid and uninteresting. Also, none of the girls (I have seen so far) were interesting with the little I have read. I have already forgotten who they were because they are just the protags slaves anyway, so who cares. So it's not lazy but also uninteresting in the isekai trends it was aiming for. I have read my fair bit of isekai slop but I just couldn't bear with this one, I was just so unbothered and uncaring.
Now, the LN/Anime that I mentioned in there was the Rising of the Shield Hero. Why was that? Well, it was (from my memory anyway) this show/LN that was a major pusher for the isekai/fantasy tropes like the slave one and the betrayal one (Like seriously, there are a serious number of slop fanatasy mangas where the main mc is betrayed by the hero party and its topic worth on its own imo). But the the reason for it's massive contribution in popularity is because of it's own and also that it was written pretty well (atleast, raphtalias introduction anyway). For instance, the manga in the video wants you too root for the protag and that he is a "savior" because he is the protaganist and that's about it. Naufumi from shield hero in the meanwhile, has believable motivations as to why we should root for him and why he is a good person from the start. Before being summoned, he has helped out his brother getting over his substance, drug or alcohol addiction (not sure which one it was, but it was an addiction from my memory), he is friendly enough with others as to say hi to people walking by and social enough to start conversation. When he got summoned to the other world and became the shield hero, no one wanted to join until Myne did only to betray him and make him look as evil as possible. Leaving with Naufumi not only with no money, no people to help him out but also place to stay. He was completely shut out. So he desperately tried to level himself up (cause the 4 sacred weapons used a mmo based power up system and all that yap) using offense so he can kill things faster and get money and more power that way, but lacks the said offense in that time and since no one wanted to join him he had to make desperate calls. Which led to him buying Raphtalia, so that she can become the offense and he then can level faster. The two went on a pretty fun little quest together to level up and Naufumi took care of Raphtalia like a dad would their daughter. Which after the first fight with the Spear hero where Raphtalias slave brand got forcefully removed against her will, made her decide to redo the brand and remain as Naufumis "slave". So it's not that she became a slave and more of a reminder of how they met.
Anyway, so what was the point of all of this fucking yapping I did just now? Basically, the reason why I think the slave trope worked pretty well in here had nothing to do with the actual trope itself just for the sake of it (I mean, there is filo aswell but she doesn't really know what the slave brand is anyway and Naufumi didn't use it at all since Raphtalia "grew up" as far as I remember so she couldn't have known). There were actual understandable reasons as too why it happened and the bond progression between Naufumi and Raphtalia was just simply fun to see. And then with (while odd to just rebrand again imo) a satisfying conclusion at the end of it which makes a decent amount of sense.
But then there is the manga in this video. Why make a serious story when all you need is a popular genre and trend without making it actually interesting, then make it a soft core hentai (I'm calling it what it is) which is never taken serious anyways? That is what I meant with this stupid ass 1 sentance comment, but because of things I had to do I couldn't let all out.
Aight I am done now. It's almost 1AM and I need to work tomorrow (or today if we are going technical), Peace.
Where will you explain, and when is this later date? Why so cryptic? 😭
@samuek607 he's setting up for 20 chapters from now where he'll start to explain, but the villain will kill him before he can go too in depth. So then you'll have clues to investigate the villain on later.
@@samuek607 Sorry man, got things to do rn. Will be back in a few days or so.
@shadowsstep6188 my dad said the same thing when he went to get milk, and that was years ago
Ah, yes, a particular idea that one show makes it's entire premise about and puts at it's center to exploit all the possibilities that makes the premise of that particular piece of media, just to be taken to a completetly different one, where the author expects to get the same results despite not having such develoment, it happened to morally right slave harems, LiTRPG elements for no reason, nation creation with more characters than dialoge lines, and so many other tropes, only Xianxia may have worse things than medieval fantasy anime/manga/LN
TV tropes describes the "cyclic trope", where a trope starts out in a piece of media, gets overused by other media, and is then deconstructed into something new, which is then promptly overused, before being reconstructed into its original form (if a bit different).
Isekai is still in the "overuse the original incarnation" phase. Normally, I'd expect something like re:zero to be the deconstruction work that would change that, but it seems the isekai market has so much momentum it didn't have much of an effect.
Kind of like what happened to magical girls, i think. And i believe isekai will soon be replaced by a different trend, at which point most isekai stories will have to change or be exceptional in order to get attention. Maybe then we will see the second form of isekai.
5:27 I think Kagurabachi has become more than just a meme at this point. It's actually good. The art is consistently incredible, and the characters are fun, interesting, and present more depth than they initially let on (this is especially true for Chihiro). If you give it a shot, I'm almost certain it will not disappoint.
I believe this one is a reupload from late 2023, so that’s probably why it’s a meme. You’re absolutely spitting facts, though. Kagurabachi is fire and my current favourite weekly manga.
I've only seen, "male MC gets female slaves" done well like 3 times out of dozens of others. One thing they all have in common, is that the MC isn't playing the, "nice guy" archetype while owning said slaves. They also don't JUST have female slaves, and they're not used for harem work. They have clear purposes as to why the engage in slavery. Like, "if I don't get more man-power however I can right now, we're all going to die" kind of purposes. Few things grind my gears as much as an MC trying to be passed off as a savior or nice guy despite dabbling in the slave trade. Sure, the MC can still be a nice guy, but as long as they're not trying to gaslight buying slaves as a good thing, it can work out.
Funnily enough, the most recent slave harem manga I've seen actually did a decent job. MC is generic loser isekai guy who buys two slaves for the purpose of touchy-touchy, but becausr he's so cowardly?, he ends up failing to fulfill his original purpose for buying them. Not only does MC admit to himself that it's bad, but the slaves didn't act like he was a savior right off the bat either. To the point that he treated them so well that they did end up seeing him as a kind of savior as a misunderstanding of him trying and failing to get "intimate" with them. It's still a relatively trash series, but it's the good kind, and was kinda funny.
Edit* He ALWAYS fails, because he's dumb, and it's fkin funny.
How about the MC can legitimately be buying people out of slavery because they know that it is wrong to have slaves, and that he also wants to save the lives of the slaves? Yeah, none of you all ever considered THOSE things now, have you?
I've actually committed to writing a comic about someone who got reincarnated into another world as a cat girl, only to be forced to be a slave to your typical overpowered isekai protagonist. It seemed like an amusing concept at first glance, but the more I thought about it the darker and serious it got.
At this point you'd think they could just generate an infinite supply of these with AI. I don't think any of us would notice.
Nah, we’d notice because the writing would improve. Even ChatGPT will hold itself to a standard higher than irrefutable garbage.
Woah Woah Woah, we'd notice the sudden jump it quality almost instantly
No don't. Your complains will never end.
I could MAYBE accept this idea that Protag-Kun buying slaves is good IF the work is willing to show an actual understanding of the brutality of the ancient world. If, like in ancient times, slavery was ubiquitous and unavoidable, then perhaps the MC saving them from a worse fate and giving them a chance for a better life might be good. After all, there's only so much one person can do. But that would only work if Protag-Kun was a good man genuinely trying to do his best in a terrible world. Instead, it seems to be mostly used as an excuse to justify, even glamorise slave owning, which is disgusting.
I really dislike how Isekai has absorbed the Fantasy genre.
I think that was the point of the Isekai genre as a whole but them doing the slave thing seen as a good thing because the MC saved them and their in love is not the direction they should’ve went with that trope, like if your going to have the MC save slaves then don’t have the MC in turn be a the exact same thing that they just saved them from.
Yea when are we gonna have a steampunk isekai it would be cool
It hasn’t. Isekai vanishing wouldn’t make the changes you think it would. It’s a big thing right now because it sucks in new and crap light novelists, which in turn get mined by crap studios for content. If Isekai suddenly disappeared, the people involved aren’t going to suddenly get good.
@@skycastrum5803 See the problem is it happens way to many times where the MC is the righteous one but he has slaves, I wouldn’t mind it if the Isekai in question either had the MC be a kind of villain like he’s a as*hole or something like that or have it where the MC has to pretend he has slaves to save them from a corrupted world something like that ya know, cause when you think about a lot of these Isekai MC’s they really don’t have the personality that you would think they would be cool with havin slaves like it doesn’t fit any Isekai protagonist character’s from the ones I saw.
I know this kind of is wish fulfillment kind of, but I feel like they try to paint the hero like this upstanding saint of a character and he lectures the bad guy but then becomes the bad guy himself by doing the exact same thing only difference is their willing to be the hero’s slave and he’s nice to them so in actuality they become a hypocrite, like do it like this have it where they all go free saved from the antagonist and then if one or two want to be the hero’s partner by their own free will than it’ll be on equal standing not a I’m the master and you have no say ya know like it won’t be the whole I bought a slave or saved them and now their mine to do what I please, like no have the MC have a twisted world view or have it part of the plot where it’s a terrible universe and he’s doing what he can, not the whole oh this a good thing because the hero saved them from someone evil angle.
@@Skye2993 I chalk that up to the authors being crap, whether due to being new or just not very good. They lean on the slavery tropes because it's a trope and was, in at least one instance, successful. However, it's tough to write certain subjects in ways that make sense. Especially if they're really wanting to tell a different story and leaning on the slave thing because "trope."
On MCs being crap but praised as heroes, yeah... Far too common. Not sure how much cultural difference goes into it, though some of the stuff people put out seems insane. Worst I found was basically pokemon with people. Every other arc he tricks some girl he just helped out into a knockoff pokeball, and it's always treated like a positive thing. Even throws in gacha monster condenser mechanics to make things more creepy.
In the end, Miyuzaki had the last laugh.
I remember reading this manga and enjoying it , now a couple yrs have passed now i feel like a dumbass , don't judge me i was teenager, now looking back at it it's brainrot
We all have a few stories like that☠️
@@samuek607i mainly enjoyed ot at the time bc i found it funny any time he wanted to lose his virginity, something unexpected would happen and stop him from carrying out his impure taughts . I kept reading bc i was curious to see if he would eventually get laid
@@samuek607Sekleton-man just said "☠️". Cinema my dudes.
@@samuek607 and other time you just want to read some so-stupid-it's-hilarious story,you read it to watch two fool beat eachother to death
Cut the video to half the original length! Gotten a bunch of claims lately, so I'm trying to rework some older videos, and I figured I'd start with the one where they had nothing to do with the topic lol
(sub for more bad manga)
No wonder I thought I've seen this before
@@captainmarba1504 Sorry about that! Had a quarter of my current subs when this went up before, so I appreciate you sticking around so long :)
@@samuek607 I forgot when I first found your video but the "Overpowered MC done right (Kim Dokja)" is what makes me stick with your channel. And your way of explaining is also nice
Things like this make me wonder: if I went through with making a "subversive" isekai, would anyone even be interested? Oh well, only one way to find out
Oh, you 100% should do it. I'm thinking the MC is Re-Zero levels of cringe in the beginning.
You do have to let it play out long enough for the consequences and growth to play out.
Maybe have the MC be summoned with 1 other person, but they're a speedrunner and instantly clip through the floor. The MC was summoned to shave off a few seconds from dialogue/ distract the kingdom while the speedrunner does all the actual work.
@@seaneaston1040 Hah, I see what you mean, though I wanted this to be a monster isekai. See, I actually love the concept... and 99% of the genre is filled with things that boil my blood, including making the MC human(oid) as soon as possible. What I intend is that he arrives as a ring, functionally being a magically talented paraplegic. In his old life, he did something physical as his main interest, so being unable to have a real body is going to be like torture for him. I want him to undergo an AM moment that makes him somewhat of a bastard, "morally grey" with moments of humanity. But, the thing is, his main mode of transportation is possessing people. This power will force him to peer into the thoughts, fears, and desires of whoever his bearer is, force him to empathise even as he is effectively lobotomising them. Eventually he will come into conflict with his father, who went down the stereotypical hero route as a normal human, and come out a better person for it, before focusing on the actual villain of the story.
I would say the only subversion of the isekai trope is the reverse isekais and stories like Overlord.
@@mislavkrznaric1635 That sounds rather interesting. Maybe purely possessing people takes a large amount of mental energy depending on who wears you. Stronger people tend to have stronger wills/minds. I'd find it interesting if the person (ring) functioned a bit like a devil/angel on the shoulder who can take take control if needed.
Also, you have to have a moment when someone who is possessed by a demon puts on the ring and the ring person and the demon both have an 'oh shit' moment before battling for control over the person's mind and body.
You could have the person also fight them both, taking sides when one gets too strong, idk. Lots of fun shenanigans you can have with this premise. Maybe a sacrifice could be the hero (not dad) convincing the demon lord that the ring is a power boost. The demon lord puts on MC, and has to either deescalate the situation or fight to give the hero an opening. A real 'which path do I choose' moment.
@@mislavkrznaric1635 Also, the implication for the speedrun one would be that the MC would have to do all the typical hero fights and things without any of the abilities/qualifications. Can you rally/lead a team when you can't wield a sword? How do you stall a monstrous boss until the speedrunner gets the drop he wants in a dungeon 500 miles away and clips through the ground to get to where you're at?
It could very much be working in the established rules while being extremely underpowered.
The shield hero was drafting slaves to “save the kingdom”.
It’s opinions of many that drafting is slavery, but they still need to fight.
and then he got the BEZKEREK shield and the ENTIRE anime became bad
@@byyuwryy7905 They really had a chance to talk about the moral question of Drafting people into combat and if it is moral or not. But it just became something else.
Was he? That a newer thing? When it was newer, people seemed to be hard overlooking the fact the raccoon girl pretty much could leave whenever she wanted.
@@skycastrum5803 You are not wrong. But she was still under the slave crest. She knew that she had no skills and no food and the world is in danger to be destroyed. The selfish nature of royalty caused much of the death to begin with.
The issue is that the story went the male loneliness route than the military draft route. They did do well enough, but it ran out of steam once the false allegation arc ran its course.
If the Royalty (Government) drafted all the slaves in mass and forced them to work with the heroes, they would have more material to work with.
There would be NO reason that the heroes would be denied troops to level up when their lives are at stake. Any general worth his salt would be in rage at the stupidity of the royalty or citizens for treating the heroes who are responsible to SAVE THE LIVES.
@@nowlwane9623 Sorry, I didn’t quite catch if you were saying the story included drafting slaves or “should have” included it. Although from what I know, that was generally a pretty good summary of the series, especially the running out of steam.
Personally, I believe the slavery controversy would not exist if the author didn’t want the edginess of naming an entire type of magic after slavery. Just give the crest an original purpose and have people abuse it by using it for slavery. It’s not like the MC actually uses it for having slaves. Not that I wish it did. The controversy is a fun subject. Only real downside is how it’s probably thanks to RotSH that trashier Isekai latched onto the theme.
The “no skills or food” thing is an interesting situation. On her side, she’s stuck with either trying to survive alone or having the crest and fighting. On MC’s, my view is that helping her would be a good thing, but it isn’t his responsibility. He already did a good thing in getting her out of her original situation. But his own situation isn’t that great either. I agree that the human kingdom is kind of insane, but it did help in creating some rather interesting conflicts.
I remember seeing one chapter of this and moving on with my life right after. So done with these dull "rising" stories.
Rising?
@@samuek607 Tent rising.
I'm always surprised by the size of your channel versus how much I enjoy your content. Keep it up bro.
Why is it that every fantasy/isekai series these days always gives the MC the ability to steal/copy the skills of others?
Because it allows the writers to let the MC do whatever he wants
It represents their own work :p
There are SO MANY stories like this on Royal Road. How is the concept of overpowered protagonists THIS popular? Are people really that thirsty for power fantasies?
Well the power to steal the ability of whatever you kill isn't exactly op since you have to actually be strong to get good abilities
@maxwellwelcome6810 Not true. In some series you can sneak the skills and abilities from others very easily.
Redo of Healer is one such example. All Keyaru has to do is heal the target one time and all their years worth of battle experience and techniques are his.
In theory you could also get lucky and poach someone else's kill to steal their skills.
I'd love to see a take on isekai where the protag stands up and actually tries to stop slave trading. You can even keep the part where every women he saves falls in love with him, I just want one story where the writer treats the girls as people instead of property. And if that already exists, I want more of it.
The real question publishers would ask: "Would *isekai* fans like this?"
Indomitable martial king exists, but it's a manhwa and not an isekai
@mannmanman9722 I'll take it!
There is the John Brown Isekai. It's a Webnovel but the Protag is a real historical civil rights fighter who gets isekai'd after his execution and murders the first slave owner he meets with a rock. I'll be honest I don't find the writing to be stellar but it's a fun premise.
Especially when the protagonist is so powerful that he's setting out for world domination. At that point you can no longer claim that there's nothing you can do to end slavery.
I wanna write a Lightnovel that gives a different vibe and combines the worst genres from the US and Japan: Isekai and YA Dystopia. But seeing how my piece could get overshadowed by horny overpowered MC bottom-feeder fantasy gave me a second thought whether I should continue my after college plan.
Do
Do your dream. it may hit big
Do it. Take my money! 💵💶💷
I wouldn't make that your Plan A for the future, but there's no harm in having a side thing.
Keep trying and let me give you a secret to get your story noticed.
First write something else that gives shock value.
Now once you're noticed write the things you actually want.
It's wild how much it's become a subgenre in the manga scene.
Or just everywhere in general.
The one non-morally bankrupt example I can think of is Mukoda from Campfire Cooking looking for employees. People explain slavery being the main thing, and so man's buys their freedom and pays them well/are free to leave at any time.
Still can't believe he/Fel/Sui hasn't dismantled that institution yet though.
Isekai is an intersting genre too bad it often turn into some weird guy's fetish.
I remember in highschool i was bored and was looking for an isekai to binge and i saw this bs
Funfact real life harems are only made up of slave girls a harem not made up of a single slave girl would just be polyamory
Idk about you guys but I just have this feeling that most mangas that involve the idea of a harem are doing a disservice to what actually can go on within relationships that comprise of more than two people. I feel like they downplay the very real possibility of how most people in harems or polyamorous relationships have worsened mental health problems and overplay how “fun” it actually is to have throes of women in your company. It’s willful ignorance at best and downright deplorable at worst. Some impressionable reader might actually believe that in order to be happy they must go out of their way to collect people as objects for their own purposes all because they saw someone in a manga do it. Yes, that does set a very socially irresponsible message.
LOL, I remember seeing this manga several years ago. I think I made it about...one chapter in, where he landed in the middle of a village of orcs, I think? And they were all the JRPG-Anime pig-man type of orc rather than western orc, but they were friendly to him which I thought at the time was unique.
I don't remember now when it happened, I'm not sure if it was IN that chapter, or elsewhere, but I heard that he would end up just murdering that entire orc village for essentially no reason, and that immediately made me go, "Holy shit, I am OUT. I'm not getting invested in that kind of pizza-cutter edginess, no thank you." And I've had no reason to regret my decision, lol.
Now, hilariously enough, to actually watch this video and see what he says about it, lol.
EDIT
Yep, sounds about right, pretty much. There's been a lot of manga who have been riding a train called, "How far can we push the NSFW envelope and still keep this mainstream enough to rake in the big bucks?" and it's pathetic how poorly done those mangas and animes are, even if they weren't leaning on the smut like a crutch. (Actually, not like a crutch. Bad anime and Manga are like the 5 foot tall, 500 pound Walmart patron, and the totally-not-pr0n is like the mobility scooter hauling their fat a--es around because they were too lazy to walk for so long that now they _can't_ walk on their own)
Remember kids, slavery is a big no-no 🙅♀️
Where is the John Brown Isekai that i've been waiting for?
Agreed. And I would say, that even authors of a little better works, like Mushoku tensei or Rising of a shield hero don`t understand and downplay slavery.
Anyway, I lately came across a good isekai - No longer allowed in another world , with Osamu Dazai type of a protagonist.
Talked about No Longer Human for a long while in my 100 facts video, you might just have given me a video idea.
The art style must’ve been VERY captivating to continue this read
Hey you should read the John brown isekai it's cool
I got addicted to manga because unironically it started off with furry visual novels I'm not joking
I used to read this out of necessity, since i read most of what i like back then till i reach the Yandere sister part.
That is where i drop it.
There's a sister??? 😭
Yah, this manga, manages to be stagnant and more degenerate as it goes on.
I dropped this manga a long time ago. There something wrong with the fact that he only touches them with magical tentacles. It as if he has no interest in giving the girls any real intimacy.
@@samuek607 Have you read *Goshujin-sama to Yuku Isekai Survival!* (Manga)? You can try.
I think sister as church nun(I hope)
@@samuek607
I've seen the trailer to Ghostbuster 2016. Compared to that your page 7 isn't even beginning to be cringe.
Yuji Itadori should 1v1 the mc in a battle of will and morals. frfr
Me after the Minos’s JUDGMENT
Oh, they just… admit it… in the title.
Can I suggest a manwha ?
Am just put it here it called I love amy
Day 12? Of asking for a reverend insanity video
Day 14 of asking for a reverend insanity vid
The moment harem as a genera was 2 far. Prob earler than that but i cant think of anything
Day 13 of asking for reverend insanity video
yeah, it's garbage. I read the first chapter years ago and I still remember how bad it was
John Brown the isekai.
Listen to me brother. The only good isekai about slavery as main topic.
His soul marches on in God's glory even in another world!!!
Excellent video great editing
'ppreciate it🙇
@@samuek607 I appreciate you too TBH I hate horrible manga is becoming adding tropes like this that gets normalized
i dunno if saying i miss when isekai wans't like that is right cause it already was, its just that its was slighly less bad.
but yeah i fell isekai genre has a lot of potentia but most if not all of it is wasted
can you cover parallel paradise?
Ah yes. The manga where the MC always gets consent before having sex. By an author who hilariously misunderstands how consent works. According to the story, consent obtained through brainwashing and torture is A-OK and a sign that the MC is a true gentleman.
That story isn't being sold to me very convincingly 😭
It's a click economy for entertainment man
Yep read it (skipped everything except the nsfw panels), so am I sex offender now?
yooo it's you the skeleton guy from last time
Oh this one huh.... Last i read it was at his sister still alive and the general chicks or beast lady?
But in summary, this series has no up gain just wet dream by author using "gacha" as excuse to make the MC not always has great luck but excuse me just look at that...😮
Kenちゃん, you are opinion on Rance ?
Rance?
@@samuek607 The MC from the porn video games serie from Alicesoft.
Kinda like the MC from this video, except his OPness is earned over the course of the game, he rapes first ask questions later, and don't pretend to be a good guy ( nor is trying to be an edgelord, aside from the rapes ).
I hmmmmm, I subscribe
0:40 Wait you got 7000 subs since editing this video!?
It's a reupload 😔
Nice video
Thank you :)
@@samuek607 I'm sure the algorithm will pick up, your editing and format are super interesting
Solo leveling ahh
those anyone know when was manga any different than now?
Manga and anime used to be very different. Isekai's stranglehold on the genre didn't start until the release of Sword Art Online in 2012. I remember Code Geass being a big deal when I was a teenager. In the 80s, during the economic boom in Japan you could get weird projects by just out of art school types funded by an investor, leading to crazy stuff. Heck, before Go Nagai waged his personal war against parent groups in the 60s and 70s, fanservice was rare and considered lurid!
I only have a cursory knowledge, but if you really want to know more, seek out older anime fans, they tend to be willing to talk about the past!
Я пам'ятаю часи коли ісекай ще був відносно свіжим та крутим. No game no life, після якого я також знайшла 12 королівст і sword art online який на момент виходу здавався не генієм але гарно зробленим після них усе інше не вражало, хоча ре зеро виглядав цікавим. А от далі я вже не розумію чому таке сміття як overlord комусь могло подобатися, як і перетворення на слиз. З появою всіх цих ісекаїв я просто перестала дивитися аніме взагалі
Such a cool name wasted on such a bad mc
If you have not very long list of subscribers, what's about me?
Sigh
but i like this trash hahaha.
Wait hear me out at least it’s better then redo of healer
Fuck that shit this Manga sounds awesome!😂
I read thisanfa thier is conflict the MC struggle with you have not read alll the way
I want a isekai with john brown
Someone online wrote such a thing! It’s called “His Soul is Marching on to Another World”!