Thank you Wayne. That means a lot. The swing is a work in progress this year and already making improvements to the driver swing. I'm starting to enjoy the game more and more as I realize it's just a game. No matter how bad or good you swing the club, there will always be a next hole. I'd love a subscribe if youre interested in watching my progress and content this year. Thanks again!
I was thinking just the opposite 🤦♂️. That’s a swing that would benefit from ALOT of lessons and practice. Not going to be fixed by the newest driver technology. There’s literally no rotation in that swing.
@Michael M I'm definitely investing into lessons this year along with some newer tech. Not the newest, but newer than I've been using. After watching my swing in all my videos, I know I need to clean some things up.
I was very hesitant to get fitted and now after watching this. I’m really looking to schedule somewhere now. Glad you’re enjoying the game more! Thank you for sharing your experience!
It's a fun experience watching all your numbers change with different parts. Quite tiring as well. Do some research on fitters in your area. A good fitter is just as important as a good coach. I'm glad my video helped out. ✌️
Man this was great to watch, I just started about 2 months ago and got the Callaway Edge set from Costco, Loves all the clubs but thought about getting fit for a driver. I've only played 2 courses but averaged a 37 handicap, and mostly all my clubs I can hit well except my driver (inconsistencies). Really appreciate you asking these questions, I don't feel as embarrassed going to a fitting as a high HC
No problem dude. Driver will be your most inconsistent club when starting out. No reason at all to feel embarrassed. Fitters have seen it all and know what to expect. I would suggest not getting fit so soon tho. You're swing is going to develop alot and change throughout the year. I suggest a lesson or 2 to get posture, grip, swing basics down. A fitting will never hurt your game, but I would hate to see you fit into a driver for 400-600$ and have your swing not fit the club within a year. Just my opinion for whatever it's worth. Good luck. ✌️
I had started with the Callaway Edge set from costco as well. I immediately started replacing things because I go full r-tard when I get into a hobby. I replaced my driver with a 10.5 degree stealth 2 plus that i ordered online but the shaft that came stock with it was a high trajectory. I ended up replacing it with a hazrdus black low trajectory shaft. Also replaced the fairway wood with a stealth 2 fairway wood, added a stealth 2 4H (Both with stock ventus TR shafts) and 54 degree titleist sm9 vokey (which i absolutely love) and 60 degree taylormade MG3. I broke 100 more recently about 6 months into playing. Equipment helps, but when it comes down to it, its the reps, the mental aspect, and how you play the course. I am going to keep my game improvement irons until I shore more improvement in my fundamentals and mechanics of my swing - only then I feel I'll be ready for an iron fitting. I just don't want to pull the trigger too early when there is much to be improved with the swing and way I think and play courses.
I know you’re all going to think I’m being “that guy” but a 30 handicapper shouldn’t be thinking about anything but learning the mechanics of a golf swing and how to reproduce that swing consistently. Getting clubs fitted when you can’t swing properly (or anywhere near properly) is crazy. - A former HS golf coach and golf instructor
I hit my driver in the same neighborhood as you did initially, 240ish are my best drives. If I thought I could gain even 10 or 20 yards by getting a fitting and looking at shafts and loft adjustments, I would have to do it! There aren't nearly as many options for that kind of thing where I am (in Canada) but after watching this I am going to do some serious research into getting a fitting.
if you want to go the free route like i did, wait till new equiptment comes out. then search different manufacturers "fitting events" and see if anything is in your area. you get to try the new stuff out (brand specific) but at least get a baseline of the equiptment that will fit you best. switching to a low launch shaft was a game changer for me that i never would have done on my own.
okayyyyyyyyyy this really makes me want to get fitted now.... seeing him hitting a slice and fade then switching to a stiffer shaft and it going so much longer and straighter is crazy
Nice. My advice with fittings is that if you are looking for new equipment anyway, and have the money, go for it. If you are thinking it will fix your game, go for a lesson. Especially at a higher handicap like myself. Inconsistent striking will follow you from club to club. Just 2 lessons this year and my ball striking improved 10 fold. Good luck and keep us up to date on your game!
I just had my putter and driver fit. Gone from 10-18 three putts per round to 4-8, and driver is going the straightest i've ever hit it and i've picked up distance. Deffo worth it, i'm off around 24.
I think that's a big reason people don't want to go to fittings. I don't want a salesman doing my fitting. I want a club fitter. They seemed more on the salesman side.
To me going to a specific brand Fitting is limiting your fitting. I would go somewhere where there are multiple brand options.. Not to say you don't end up with the same identical solution, just means you have more choices to try.
Thanks for the input David. I completely agree with you. For me, this was just an easy and free way to get on a launch monitor with professionals guiding me into specs to suit my swing. More of a learning experience as I had never had any type of fitting experience and don't really have the finances for it either. The branded fitting events are definitely more of a sales pitch than a fitting, but I took a lot away from it. Thanks for checking out my video. Really appreciate it! ✌️
@@MGGolf Personally never had a fitting so it was good to see one up close.. There was some good info. Also define High Handicap? Your swing gave me the impression you are around 16 Handicap..
Around 30. Check out my other videos and you could see where I'm lacking. And to be honest David, the ball flights in the video didn't seem very accurate left to right. My old driver was a slicing monster and it wasn't really represented well by the launch monitor or however they had the software settings on it. I don't know that to be fact, but more of a feeling I had.
@@MGGolf - Your driver wasn't "monster slicing", you were due to an open club face at impact. You can get fitted for driver on the market, but the results won't change. You're better off to invest in lessons. 👍
I know how a slice works. And I understand how technology can alleviate curvature slightly. I had a " monster slice" with my old driver as compared to the draw bias driver I was testing that was producing less of a curve. ✌️
Going for a Ping Fitting (First Time). This was a good look into the experience as a high handicap player. I can strike my irons well, but they are a Wilson Ultras from Academy, my driver gets me into trouble often because I'm 5'5" play with clubs meant for taller people lol. I'm excited to upgrade though.
This made me feel like I should get fitted for a driver lol I feel like I smack it sometimes but my distance is short.. maybe I have the backspin issue too 🤷♂️ although I like the ping g425 or the Callaway rogue for more forgiveness haha
You could even get a lesson with a professional on a monitor and have them look at your numbers. I honestly had no idea I had a high launch, high spin driver until I had some professionals analyzing my numbers. If your looking at new drivers anyway, go treat yourself to a fitting. It's a great learning experience if nothing else. Thanks so much for stopping by and leaving a comment. Hope to see you come back again! ✌️
You hit the ball so well. Hope you work on your short game as that handicap will drop like a stone. That shaft made a big difference. Can’t say I was over impressed with the fitters. Did they not change the loft?
It honestly wasn't a very thorough fitting. But did give me knowledge I didn't have before on equipment. I used what I learned and bought a sim 2 max draw driver for less than half the price of the stealth hd. And no they didn't change the loft. They liked my launch numbers but not the spin. That was the benefit of the shaft change. Thanks for the comment and I would love a subscribe if you want to watch my progress this year. ✌️
@@MGGolf something that helped my distance go from about 240--> 290 ish. Was getting the club more into my fingertips. I had a pretty strong grip, which it kinda looks like you have too (because all the videos say, strong grip will produce a draw/kill your slice). But all it was doing was killing my distance. Cause I couldn't release at all. Also, taking a more athletic stance (toes not as flared out) and using my lower body instead of my arms, helped a ton. Fiancé played college golf and kicks my ass, so these are some things she taught me. (She drives it about 240-250 while weighing a staggering 135 lbs. 😂)
@Michael Gutierrez thanks for the comment. I'm kinda work on a few of those things currently. I've got some bad habits I got myself into. Been working on squaring up the back foot at address. Also, watching my grip due to losing iron shots to the left. Hopefully I can get things stable and consistent, then work on getting to 290. Even a consistent 240 would be nice. ✌️
@@MGGolf hell yeah man. I'm only a 17 handicap according to GHIN, so lord knows I need to work on a lot too! If you're ever in East Texas we can get a round in here in Tyler. Subbed*
How come you not recommend a 7 wood or 5 wood instead of the 2 iron ?? I’m a 3 handicap i swapped my 3 iron for a 7 wood tsr2, can’t complain off the blue on long par 5 where i get 220-230 left to the pin after a 290-300yards tee shot, i have such better eagle opportunities missing way less greens from that distance et even if missing them its not by much and still recovering thanks to the higher spin and decent angle. Just miss the 3 iron on some kind of naked course without much trees and lot of wind but still can swap pre round
I didn't do a woods fitting with these guys. I have been thinking of trying a 7 wood. I don't really have anything good over 200. Just a hybrid I can't hit consistently
I appreciate the video! I’ve been debating getting fitted for years now. My game has been improving over the last years, but my irons are now 9 years old and I bought them used to begin with.
Hey Kyle. I suggest a fitting if you have brand new club kinda money. Definitely the best way to go. Otherwise I say I try it these demo days to get an idea of your swing tendencies with a professional on a launch monitor. Or go to a used club store and try out a bunch on a monitor and see what feels good. Then do research for best used prices. Check out global golf for really good prices. I put a link in the description. They always have good promo codes going on. I used them for basically my whole bag. Good luck bro. ✌️
I actually tried it and wanted to like it because of the price. There was something about it that just wasn't vibing with me. Forget exactly what it was tho
absolutely get fitted for almost anything. Only clubs i didnt get fitted for were my wedge, i just choke up on those but all my other clubs were cut half an inch. I ended up getting taylor sim 2's for my irons and ping g425s for my hybrids/driver. Didnt get any woods, and rolled with CBX 4 wedges
Did you need any lie/loft adjustments? I’m unsure of fitting someone with a very inconsistent swing. You can give a customer an idea of what they need in terms of a head, but differences between shafts and whatnot will be less tangible in my experience. I’d argue that beyond the head choice and actual specs of the club, the shaft is what makes the largest difference in determining what you should be purchasing.
@mattgenovese5891 no. Standard lie and loft. The job of a fitter is to fit clubs to ANY swing, regardless of consistency of strike. Give the player what works best i.e. most distance, best ball flight etc. If I could slice a ball and then hit a hook, would that make me unfittable?
@@MGGolf I somewhat agree. If a beginner comes in to get fitted, would you recommend lessons first? If they are able to produce a swing that is repeatable, I agree that is entirely a “fit-able” swing, even if it may be considered an undesirable swing. I’m relatively new to fitting people and I guess my question is, do you think a beginner golfer gets more out of a fitting process when they have a repeatable swing than someone who hasn’t reached that point? Thanks Also thought that you were the fitter, lol. I guess I was confused when you said standard lie and loft for the other guys clubs.
@@mattgenovese5891 I'm a relatively new golfer and not getting fitted ended up costing me time but thankfully no additional cost. I bought standard clubs out the box earlier this year since i just wanted to start golfing so i bought Taylormade sim 2's. I am 5'6 and realized later that my clubs felt long and after talking with a fitter and hitting a few adjusted club lengths, I realized I should've been playing clubs that were cut half an inch. This was well before I started taking lessons but I was at least playing golf 1-3 times a week.
I believe they were both stiff due to my swing speed being right around the 100mph mark. If I remember correctly, the first shaft was high launch and high spin. The second was a mid/low launch and low spin. That's the main thing I really learned in my fitting with these guys. Different shafts with the same flex and weight can have different characteristics. Changing shafts significantly dropped my spin rate (about 1500-2000rpm from my daily) in turn allowing for longer flights. I was playing a high launching high spinning club anyway. I think that's why it was such a step up for my game
There is no standard for what is a "stiff" flex. Hzrdus makes a bunch of different color shafts that are all stiff and same flex rating. Most of the colors are low spin low trajectory. They have a red that is mid trajectory mid spin. But the difference is where they offer the "bend" during the swing. My Stiff Blue RDX has a softer mid section and stiff tip and butt. The original black has a stiff butt and midsection and a softer tip. Green is stiffest throughout.
I'm having a 60 min TM fitting in a couple of weeks. I recently started up again after nearly 20 years off. I'm currently a 28 hcp. I bought my current clubs new in the mid 90's so it's definitely time for some new ones. I had a 30 min Ping fitting a couple of months ago, and found what suits me best from them. I'm making a short list of brands/models to decide from and I hope to purchase later this year. Thanks for the video of your fitting.
That's awesome man. Welcome back to the game. Upgrading 30ish year old clubs will be huge for your game. And I love that your shopping around. Very smart. When youre ready to purchase, don't forget to look into the used club market too. I ended up buying a used Sim2 driver and used 2019 p790's at half the price of brand new with all the same specs I got fit into. There's a link to global golf in the video description. That's where I got my clubs at. They always have great deals going on. Good luck in the TM fitting. Definitely check back with the channel and let us know how you got on and which clubs you're gonna go with! ✌️
@@MGGolf I liked the Stealth irons, but I wasn't crazy about their drivers. I tried out some buddy's Callaway drivers, and they just weren't for me. I had a fitting with Cleveland and Srixon clubs, I leaned toward the Clevelands, but they're still not the ones for me. I did decide on the Ping G425 driver over the weekend (it was discounted for the holiday). I'm very pleased with it, after some range time. I'm looking forward to my next round in a couple of weeks. It's been too hot here in So Cal lately. I have a Callaway fitting for their Apex irons. We'll see how that goes. So far I'm leaning toward the Ping G710's. I'll probably wait on an iron purchase until early 2023. I'm dialed in with the driver, wedges, and my trusty old Callaway blade putter. My old irons are still working for me, so there's no rush and my woods have been ok. Once I decide on irons, I'll look into hybrids/woods to fill in the gaps between my longest iron and my driver. The search continues.
G425 has had some serious praise around it. That is one driver I recommend to every higher handicap player I know. Forgiveness is off the charts from what I heard. That's awesome that you got hands on so many different brands and clubs. Very smart shopping. If you're not feeling any irons right now and your not hurting for them, waiting till next year is a great idea. Swing mechanics and speed could all change by then as well. One fitting that is slept on a lot is a ball fitting. Could be something to look into as well. Titleist is gonna be in my area in the next couple weeks so I'm gonna try to test their new drivers and get a ball fitting as well. Thanks for getting back with the update. I love to hear about it. Stoked that You're getting back into it and getting some well fit equipment too! ✌️
Really enjoyed the video(s) both the Taylormade and Callaway fitting. I am curious though, do you know if the shaft weight and lower back spin apply to the hybrids and woods? I’m terribly inconsistent with those 3 clubs
Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I did do a hybrid fit with the Callaway driver. Didn't make a video out of it tho. I remember that particular fitter more concerned with the distances on the hybrids than spin numbers. You don't want low spin like a driver. Spin creates stability in the ball flight. And I think the heavier the shaft the easier it is to control. Lighter shaft can swing faster, but can be harder to feel where the club actually is within your swing. For hybrid/wood I think the goal is to hit some good distances in between irons and driver and have it be comfortable to hit. If you're interested in more fitting videos, check out the guys at TXG on TH-cam (tour experience golf). If you can find a product demo and get a free fit, that will show you what kind of numbers you are putting out and what kind of shaft profile would be best for you. Or try a regular fitting if you've got the cash for that. Hope that helps. ✌️
Literally any level, once you can hit the ball forwards, can benefit for a driver, wood and hybrid shaft fitting. It can be 2-3 shots a round better easy vs cheap or older stock shafts.
I went to a golf fitting (similar handicap, 58 y.o.) shanked 60 balls consistently for an hour only to find that my driver swing speed is only 85 mph, which is perfectly suited for an off-the-rack 10.5d regular shaft stiffness driver. Going to a new driver gained me abut ten yards, not a great ROI for $400-600. I hit balls much better on the course than I did into the blank screen
It’s too early to tell on dispersion … the data was not great and since I don’t shank nearly as much on the course’s and it’s snowing here now I decided on mail order rather than a retail custom fitting. In a sense, I paid for a fitting as part of my research into what would be the right flex. I ended up getting a great deal on some mail order like-new Great Big Bertha’s, (regular stiffness 10.5 D, 5w, hybrid) about 70% off list and total less than the driver at list price. I’ll work on my swing knowing that it’s not the clubs and they’re the right flex. They replaced the top end of my bag which was a mix of a repaired 12 year old callaway driver and 25 yr old cobra stiff woods.
If you have the money and are looking to purchase brand new equipment, 100% get fitted. Otherwise check online to see if any brands have any demo days/fitting events and you can get a free "fitting" and get a rough idea of equipment to look at. Thanks for checking out my video.
Just remember fitters are not instructors and instructors are not fitters. I waited 13 years to finally take my first lessons. Pay for itself tenfold over buying equipment. After taking lessons I feel I can pick up just about any club and maybe even blades and have a decent round. In a few months I went from shooting high 90s to mid to low 80s. Even scored a 79 for the first time in my life. LESSONS LESSONS LESSONS. Just like a good doctor, you want to get a good referral on a good instructor.
A good fitter will often give little swing tips if they see an issue. And a good instructor will look at your clubs to see if anything doesn't match up with your abilities. But they do not replace each other, and you can not purchase a better swing through a fitting. I agree with you 100. And I like your statement on a good referral. I've been through 2 instructors so far. One was just a cheap, local pro and I got what I paid for. The other was a referral and it was a much better experience (albeit more expensive). Lessons trump fittings. But if you want to buy new clubs for the sake of buying new clubs I recommend getting a fit. ✌️
I was definitely at least a 30 handicap. That flight monitor did not show curvature accurately lol. I'm stoked for your fitting man. Keep on progressing! ✌️
How were the fitters with the decision for you not to purchase? I’ve been thinking of going for a fitting, but anxious that I decide against spending loads of money and making it a waste of their time, even if I am paying a fitting fee. Would just love to try different clubs/shafts to get an understanding of what I need going forward, but the anxiety of them being frustrated with me for not purchasing puts me off.
They're all salesmen, so they definitely want to sell lol. In this particular case, it was a "demo" for the stealth that could potentially lead to a sale. So they were there for 8 hours regardless of how many appointments they had. If I was crazy in love with it I would buy it. But I wasn't. Im personally good at saying no and go no shits about making a situation awkward. They're NPC's to me. I've done 2 fittings so far and neither one of them really asked for the sale. Just said I'm gonna look at other options and went on my way. I wouldnt do a paid fitting unless you really plan on buying. Usually the cost of the fitting will be applied to the cost of the club. It's new club season now. Id look around at different club manufacturer websites for "fitting events". It's free and you can get basic things figured out like loft, head type, shaft stiffness, weight, and trajectory. That's what I did at this fitting and bought the same stuff used for less than half the price. Sorry for the long message, but I did this experiment to help people out and I hope it was helpful.✌️
You actually have a nice swing for such a reportedly high HC. Looks like you’re loading nicely into the downswing and generating some lag, from what I can tell. Only thing I can see that would probably be holding you back from creating more speed is you seem to rotate your hips too laterally in the backswing. If you can get your right side more tilted up as you take it back you might be able to get more power as you come back down.
Thanks for the comment. My handicap mostly came from O.B.s and short game. I think my swing has changed a touch since this video. A big issue for me with driver is that I swing at about 200% lol. I need to slow it down and work on strike more. I'm in the process of editing another fitting video with the Callaway paradym. Should be out next week some time. If you're interested, feel free to subscribe so you don't miss it. I really appreciate your input to my swing. Thanks again. ✌️
Crazy i have same irons burner 2.0 and driver as you (current lowest score is 90 from blues) but i got fitted at golftec and picked stealth and p790's cant wait until they come in i ordered in april
@@zc5107 I did the same thing pretty much. I shoot in the 100's and got fitted for a driver and irons last September just because I've never owned a new set of clubs. I ended up getting Callaway Mavrik Irons and a Callaway Epic Driver. I've been playing about the same I normally do with them haha. It's nice having a nice set of clubs for once tho and they will last me a long time so I'm happy.
Look at that improvement from 235 to 275 once they change your club. Good Video, a voice over will make the youtube really great. IN the end, is it worth it for high handicapper?? NOt answered though !
i was a 30 handicap. i had nothing intelligent to voice over lol. main point of the video was before and after, along with insight from the fitters. do you think it would be worth upgrading after my fitting?
@@MGGolf There will definitely be some help after money spent there BUT FOr 30 handicapper, I will suggest hold back tht urget and put money to coaching and training and upgrade later. By then club price would hv dropped and your shots stabilised and the fit may be different. STILL, voice over will make the youtube experience better if u aim for a good youtube production. Cheers
If you’re ever in the San Francisco Bay Area or Monterey (I live in between) we should get a round in. I feel like we are on similar journeys. Similar handicap and I’m getting my first driver fitting in a week.
Hey. Great question. If ur LITERALLY just starting out. I suggest spending as little as possible on clubs. Something made within the last 10 years should be fine. You gotta see how much you're really gonna get into it. If u end up NOT liking as much as you think you will, then ur not out a bunch of money. If u do end up loving it, you will play a lot and your swing will change a lot in that first year. Then you will outgrow that set and can look into newer equipment and possible fitting. My first set was a borrowed Top Flite set. Used it for about half a year. Then I invested into some old TaylorMade burner irons and driver. Maybe 500$ for a full set. Then I recently got fitted and still didn't even buy new. Got equipment bout 2 years old. Prolly about 1100$ for my equipment now. Of course if money is no object, just get the prettiest clubs you want. Hopefully that helps alittle. ✌️
@@MGGolf thank you so much , my friend is getting custom fit this weekend at ping and told me I can have is old set , they are taylormade speed burners , so I’m hoping they are not too good for me , I suppose worse case scenario if I can’t get used to them I can always buy another set , they all play ten minutes from my house at a nice private club , so that’s where I will join , thanks a lot
That's so awesome man. You shouldn't have to worry about them being too good for you. If they are what I think, they should be around 10 year old cavity back irons. Don't worry too much about equipment just yet. Enjoy learning the game. Savor the good shots and forget the bad ones. You'll have a great year! ✌️
I’ve been to a stealth fitting event, and the guy was having me hit the HD model as well (I told him I miss it out to the right). I plan on working on my swing more, and I’d like to keep this driver for a minimum of a few years. Because of these things, I would rather be in the Stealth or Stealth+ rather than the HD. You have any thoughts on this? It may also be my ego creeping in, but I’m a mid-high handicap and just would like to hear your opinion
Thank you so much for mentioning this. This was a huge thought for me as well. I hit the regular stealth afterwards and it was just sloppy so I didn't include it. I think I was just getting tired from swinging for an hour straight and not used to that driver head. The draw version of the taylormade heads is the most forgiving on off-center strikes and the largest face, not just a draw bias. So that's a plus. Also, from what I've seen online, the taylormade "draw" type drivers are the least anti-slice drivers compared to other brands. So if you do plan on working on your swing these might be the way to go. I ended up purchasing the sim 2 max D driver (draw bias) and its very subtle on the draw. Ive made changes to my swing that only compliment the draw nature of the driver and don't hurt. I honestly feel like draw-bias drivers are slept on. Maybe its an ego thing, but who will really notice the tiny text that says "HD" under the driver when you hit a nice straight bomb. Tour players use fade bias drivers... no different to us using draw bias drivers. I think the TXG guys and 2nd Swing did a good comparison on draw type drivers you should check out. Long answer, but I hope it helps out lol.
@@MGGolf hey, i appreciate the response. i didnt know that taylormade's draw models are more subtle than other companies. ill keep more of an open mind. i recently was fit into a stealth 4 rescue (22 degree) and a stealth 5 wood (18 degree), but i didnt have time for the driver. this makes me want to go back for the driver
If you have the money for brand new, I recommend going for a full on fitting to give other brands a chance. If you have a budget like me, dont rule out old tech. I picked up my sim 2 max D used for only 250$ shipped vs. $600 for stealth and hit it just as well. Subscribe to the channel if you haven't so you can come back and let me know how you got on. ✌️
@@MGGolf I’m not sure I would agree the ‘draw version’ of TM drivers are always more forgiving. Typically a draw version has steeper lie and slightly closed face. If the draw version is more forgiving for your current swing, it’s likely due to your delivery, which should be obvious if you have a printout or chart from your fitting session. Look for dynamic lie, that’s the lie angle as delivered at impact. That’s due to your swing, not the club. This is one of greatest benefits of adjustable hosels to golfers like yourself who may be making substantial changes to your swing in near future. You buy a draw biased driver today, you may find it inappropriate or limiting factor in evolving your swing. Not to undersell the importance of shaft but I personally think shafts are more a factor in feel than flight dynamics. A soft tip can effect head delivery with some ovalizing or droop but for most part I find mass and weight balance the biggest factor. If you can feel the head, you’re more likely to properly release the head at impact resulting in more consistent striking. If I were in your position, I would start with finding a golf professional you feel comfortable with to get some lessons. Then spend at least 3 sessions at range working on items your instructor was working with you on between every lesson. I’d personally wait at least 2-3 months of lessons before buying any club. If you must buy a driver first, I would avoid a ‘draw bias’ but would highly suggest an adjustable hosel type to allow you some adaptability as your swing evolves. If you prefer TM drivers, I’d strongly suggest the Sim over Sim2. The original Sim has a taller face which I find many golfers see as more confidence inspiring.
@Michael M Not saying that all draw versions of TM drivers are more forgiving. But if you look at the specs and dimensions of at least the stealth and sim 2 draw versions, they say it has a larger faced compared to standard and max versions. Larger face=Easier to hit. I agree that shaft is the biggest factor in feel during the swing. But it can also play into flight. For example,depending on the stiffness at the tip end, the kick point can vary which will effect launch, spin, and strike location. Of course this is in conjunction with whatever type head fits you best. So I did recently buy a sim 2 draw mostly for the largest face out of the sim 2 family. The draw bias is extremely subtle and I lowered my loft anyway which opens the face and sort of cancels the closed face of the draw type. I do plan to take a few lessons this year. Still working on finding the right coach tho. Only reason I bought a new driver is because I had money saved up specifically for it and I knew mine wasn't a good fit for me anymore. Bad hits were horrible and great hits were lackluster. Seeing the numbers at the fitting showed me my old driver didn't fit my game anymore.
Great video. The only thing to me, is I hate unwarranted advise on my swing. I understand theyre trying to help, but getting fit to a set of clubs is not the time for someone to be give you swing tips or asking you to change something. Just my 2 cents.
Hey thanks man. I think if the swing adjustment is small enough and just a physical adjustment, then that's ok. Anything past that is lesson territory. The fitter in this case noticed my shoulders were quite off line with my target line and helped me to see it. Just a simple "turn your shoulders to the right" will promote an in-to-out path. There was another swing adjustment they mentioned, but my body just wasn't working with it there and I had to give up on it. Not the time for that one. I guess the player needs to know their ability to change and adapt, otherwise just stick to fitting to the swing you walked in with. ✌️
Vn, but you need to find a fitter that doesn't push one brand of clubs. I drove 6 hrs to a 2nd swing and walked out with a set of Mizuno irons turned out for me those were the best, and the cheapest aw-6 iron with graphite shafts under 1000 bucks.every other brand charged an extra 200 to go to graphite from steel shafts Fitting was free with the purchase.
@@MGGolf i had a dicks where i live, but if im going to spend 1,000 bucks i want the right ones, scottsdale arizona was the closest and the nicest. worth every penny.
Because they're game improvement irons and I would outgrow them quick. Built for beginners that have slower swing speed or have a hard time getting the ball to go high or long. With the way my iron striking is I was hitting a 7 iron stealth like 200 yards. There's no need for that. Not saying I'm great at golf ( I'm def not) just that the stealth offers too much assistance where it would hinder my game. P790 irons would be the next step up for me as far as ability and playability goes. I played game improvement irons for the last 4 years. They go high and they go long. That's what they do if that's what your looking for. All depends on where you and your game are at. Hope that helps. ✌️
Ya. My old driver was really not fit to my swing. Tons of spin on it. Also, I was swinging fin hard on the fitting. Realistically on course, a good hit is 250ish
Great video but I’m always skeptical of these shot trackers without a launch monitor, I feel like the data is incorrect. You swing pretty hard and I feel like that speed would go over 225 carry, and a few shots where you came through open it still went straight 🤔 no hate on you tho your swing is like one piece away from being money!
Hey thanks so much man. So this demo used a gc 2 I think... They didn't mark the club face with the little stickers so I'm not sure how much accuracy is lost there. I do agree with u on the open face straight shot. This was apparent to me immediately. I was hitting as hard as I could lol and they went decently straight. (shoulda been a huuuuge slice). Either left and right dispersion was altered through software (or ignored), or it was a 100yard wide fairway. Distance was accurate for my swing though based on my daily driver distances. You can swing as fast as you want, if it's not good contact it's not going anywhere. Half of that is speculation, and that's why I left it out of the video. End of the day, my potential for distance went up with the new driver and low spin shaft. But realistically, I'm gonna slice the shit out of it. Taking lessons and working on technique now to fix it tho. I hope this answered any concerns you might have had about the fitting/demo I went to. I really appreciate you checking it out and leaving some input. ✌️
@@MGGolf for sure man I wasn’t trying to sound like the king of golf or anything because my swing needs as much work as anyone’s. Sky is the limit for your swing and you have the athleticism to be very good im excited to follow your progress
All good bro. That was all stuff I would have liked to put into the video but I wanted to remain as unbias as possible and just put the experience into video. And I have a lot of work ahead of me to get any better too. Golf is too freaking hard lol. Keep us updated on your progress this year. ✌️
Run don’t walk away from these fitters. Swing 100-102 club speed is not possible for 275 carry. Spend about $500-1k on lessons and play w second hand clubs for 2-3 yrs before fitting a golf set valued at over $2k. The best is buying used set of blades for around $150. Ur ball striking will improving significantly. Best of luck
I ended up buying a used driver and set of irons for about 1/3 the price of brand new and know that it will last me years. Also, I have swing lessons starting in 2 weeks! Stay safe. Thanks for the input ✌️
Buying Used I agree with, but getting a fitting IMO is a must if you want to improve. You can have all the lessons in the world, but if your club weight,lie angle, and shaft are just wrong for your swing and tempo, then you are fighting a battle that doesn't need to be fought. I am a HIGH handicap player. Zero lessons, playing with used clubs. I always felt they were a bit heavy, and the lie angle was off, the toe was always way off the ground. But I was fairly sure on my stroke and stance. So I went to a Club Fitting place. Warmed up with my clubs, all bad, slices and shanks, nothing straight, mostly nerves, but like I said, im not terribly great. The tech then handed me a club, a tad shorter, different lie angle, weight a little less, told me, change nothing, and swing away. Dead ringer, straight as an arrow and about 50 yds longer. For every club type in my bag, it was a night and day difference. Guy said, my swing and tempo are fine, the clubs were wrong. I spent 1800$ right then and there having my entire bag adjusted. New shafts, new grips, new angles, new weights, all to match what we dialed in on in the 4 hour session. My game has VASTLY improved, going from an average of 110-120 for 18 holes, to 90-100. I've given myself a base to build off of, to fine tune my game and hopefully in a year or so, get below 90, which is my ultimate goal. Get fitted, make sure the clubs are right for you, and use that as a base to build off of. If you trust the clubs are right, everything else will follow.
@@djbreal87 While I dont discount your experience, getting fit before any substantial gains in your actual golf swing is counter productive. You just essentially put a band aid over a broken swing. With a solid foundation and swing base one can essentially hit any club on line for the most part or easily adjust to the characteristics of the club. He sold you 1800 worth of mascara on a pig.
@@colinreddick Ohh I absolutely will not argue that. And I absolutely could be wrong, but I feel atleast having clubs the right length and weight, will aid me on my road to improvement. If im using clubs the wrong length, I could improve my swing sure, but id be improving it with the wrong set up. Could I have just bought, some nice used clubs, that were already correct for me? Yea, did I realize that at the time? no. Is this the sunken cost fallacy and im trying desperately to justify me spending that money? absolutely lol
I got fitted and made a massive difference, I now play 1/2 inch shorter irons. I found out my 2nd hand set was 1 inch longer. Lessons and fitting is the way forward
A long drive is a product of technique as well as speed.Some guys swing their guts out when 80% effort with good timing will give as good a result. Of course ball banging impresses your playing partners if you can stay on the course.🙀
If all your partners hit it in the woods, then farthest in the woods wins lol. Driver swing has definitely improved since this video. Check out some of my newer videos if you have a free minute. I appreciate you checking this one out! ✌️
A few things I noticed. I don't think you had ideal shoes and it seemed you were slipping a little bit. Also at your transition you tend to bend your wrists more and not turn quite as deep. That is a lot of added movement and "extension" that doesn't really translate to speed or power. Try keeping your left wrist more flat and feel like you are rotating more instead of using arms and wrists. I really respect the grind and ambition to get better, for sure!
Thanks Micah. The low top vans definitely don't help the game. Didn't even think about it. I appreciate the input on my swing. I was all hands and arms that day. Working more on getting rotation in the swing this year. Thanks for checking the video out. ✌️
I strongly suggest that you get yourself a golf coach. At the moment you are generating most of your swing speed with your arms & upper body, but you are hardly using your legs & lower body. If you find a coach who will show you how to use your legs & lower body correctly you will start to hit bombs, with much better dispersion.
I actually just booked my first swing lesson for a couple weeks from today. If the coach is cool with it, I'm going to try to make a video of it. Thank you for the comment. Check back later and hopefully there will be progression throughout the year
@@MGGolf that's great news, I will be interested to see your progress👍 I'm sorry but I don't know your back story and didn't realise that you are quite new to the game, your vid just popped up on my suggested watch list. Once you get a swing coach to show you how to activate your legs and lower body rather than just swinging with your arms you will really start to see improvements in your game. Good luck, I have just subscribed so it will be interesting to see your journey, Good Luck👍
Ur lower than a 30 for sure.. one thing I saw with all the swings.. are u transferring weight to lead foot? It looks like ur staying on the trail a bit.
30 mostly due to O.B. and lost shots. I was actually in a bad habit of leaving all my weight on the front foot and never really transferring at all. Keeping weight in my front is how I learned to stay over the ball. Bad habit I got into. Current swing thought is having a soft rear knee and not locking it out. Allowing a weight shift. ✌️
Honestly Dan, I have suspicions about how well they were tracking left and right dispersion. Plenty of those shots should have been off the planet to the right. I'm guessing calming down shot shape through software could help with sales. Again, just a suspicion.
He never intended on purchasing, that's why he went to a free fitting. Classic tyre kick. TM obviously calculated this risk but deemed the rewards still worth hosting the event. Still, a classic tyre kick
“Is it worth getting fitted?” And “It’s free at this demo event” 😂 Don’t waste time getting fitted for clubs when you’re shooting over 100 unless your clubs feel like wet spaghetti or a broom handle when you swing them. If they do, just try to figure out what flex of shafts you need and trade your clubs to get a decent used set with shafts that fit you a little better. “It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian” When you feel like you hit the wall at improving your game (probably between bogey golf and a single digit handicap) would be my suggestion for an actual fitting. At that point you would likely benefit greatly from it.
Sorry dude. Disagree. At 30 handicap you prolly don't know your swing speed, associated shaft stiffness/kick, or really any metrics. This fitting was my introduction to equipment. I got fit into p790s as a 30 handicap, still use them as a mid handicap player, and know they will go further. They fit me into a forgiving driver head with a low spin stiff shaft from a reg flex high spin. Never gave shafts a second thought before this. Until you get into a fitting and try different options and see the effects with a fitter explaining things, I don't think one can understand equipment well (especially a beginner/high handicap player). I'm obsessive and research things crazy before a purchase, but I still get fit for proper equipment.
very hard to get through the shot with your hips when your right foot is flared like that. guarantee you'll have a better follow through if you straighten that one out a bit and keep your left foot the same. I'm not a pro but i had the same problem.
I've got some pretty bad hip and back mobility so I heard the flaring helps. But I have tried squaring up my back foot in recent rounds. Just waiting to get into a lesson and have a coach see what will work best for me. ✌️
I don't think any golfer should get fitted clubs until he's around the 80's point. That's when you can actually start to tell a big difference in clubs. But at a 30 you're getting a lot of mis hits and your swing is inconsistent which makes it hard to fit. Especially these days when they go off of attack angle, and weight distribution and hand placement and all this stuff for fittings now it's wild.
Buy you a used set of 2019 P90s and slowly start saving up for the shafts. The shaft is 80% of the club, look at it like this, the club head is the Car and the shaft is the engine
I think fitting for most 30 hcps is probably almost pointless, as their swing will change so fast, often even within minutes. 😂 But you have a really solid looking swing and great tempo, you will be a 20 hcp in a few months probably. So this seems to make sense
Thanks Capt. I agree with you. My swing changes every time I go out. Some people regardless of ability just want to go out and buy the best newest thing tho. And if that's the case, why not get fitted. Especially with adjustability on newer clubs. As long as you let your fitter know if you plan to get better or just go out for fun a few times a year. ✌️
Dude. You have some serious arm/hip speed. If you could strighten your legs/feet and learn to use the ground, you'd legit be a 280+carry driver no problem.
Lol. I know. Driver is the worst club in my bag with the highest potential. Range sessions can get to 300. On the course it's hot garbage usually. Thanks for the comment. Appreciate ya✌️
You don't need fitting or even nice clubs I've shot under par with junior clubs, I've shot under par with old ass grampa clubs to probe to my friends that equipment doesn't matter nearly as much as they think it does
I'm sure I could keep playing my out dated game improvement clubs with incorrect shaft stiffness and learn to play around it. But why make the game harder?
It really was. I actually just filmed another fitting just today with Callaway. Hoping to get the video out in the next couple weeks. If your interested in seeing it and you're not already subscribed, I'd love it if you did so you don't miss out on the video when it comes out. ✌️
These fitters talked so much bull 🤦🏻♂️ who tees the ball down to hit up on it more 🤦🏻♂️🤣 have they not seen the long drive guys, they tee it up about 2 inches 🤣🤣
Thanks for the comment Adrian! I'm starting lessons next week. Hopefully the coach will be a good match for me. Stop back later and check on my progress. ✌️
Way to be part of the problem lol, here everyone says equipment isn't going to make you that much better, then I see this video and all that goes out the window Good watch though!
You must be really bad at putting and/or short play, cos that ain’t a 30 handicap swing. Hitting 250 carry with driver, pretty straight. I know 12 handicap players who struggle with that.
My personal opinion is you don't need to get fitted clubs until you are about to break 80. My reasoning is because your swing has to be very good and consistent to break 80, and right now this swing isn't great. It's a solid swing but your hip and body rotation and arms and wrists need work. After you get that work done, you would need a new set of clubs. Like others have said, a lesson would be way more beneficial first.
I needed new clubs. I was playing game improvement clubs that weren't helpful. I disagree with not getting fit. The point of the fitting is to fit TO the swing You've got. And a swing will change through your entire career playing. Check my recent videos. My swing has changed a lot and I'm playing the clubs they fit me into and they feel great still. I don't at all disagree with getting lessons as I do that regularly as well. I plan to keep my clubs at least until my swing speed increases and I need x stiff clubs. I still appreciate your input and respect your view point
The golf club is a tool...do construction workers get fitted for a Hammer? No they don't...they learn the skill to use that Hammer properly. Regardless or height, weight, arm length, etc...learn how to use the tool in your hands properly
Wouldn't that construction worker want the hammer that feels best in his hands? Perhaps the style of hammer best suited for his job? Of course he can "get by" with any old hammer, but why not find the most comfortable and most efficient?
@@MGGolf I would agree! I would always want the hammer that feels most comfortable in my hands. I was trying to just give a thought on getting fitted isn't necessary to play good golf as long as you understand the club you have and how to use it! Also would agree that a club fitting can help some people if not most people! Just not necessary in my opinion, unless your a professional trying to get a slight edge
I totally feel you. And I really appreciate the input. After the fitting I did a ton of research on the subject. A lot. And I could see the benefit of it. But what I tell people is that if they have a lot of money and want a brand new club, go get fitted. Why not. I don't have disposable income so I tried this free demo day/fitting event to get myself on a launch monitor in front of professionals and see what my numbers are. Based on that I did research on the subject and made a purchase ( I wanted new clubs anyway ) with similar spec'ed used clubs. I'm sure I could have picked up another brand head/shaft and been in similar forgiveness and distance categories, but I'm a researcher when I purchase. That's just me. Not everyone has money for new clubs or time to go try every club out there, so basing purchases on company marketing is close enough. High handicap = grab the "max" version. Low handicap = grab the "low spin" version. But of course, lessons and learning techniques trump all of that
I enjoyed hitting it. Felt good. But also, I don't think I was on a very accurate sim tracking left and right movement. So I coulda been in the trees all day and didn't know it. Did you have a bad experience with the stealth?
@@MGGolf no but there are many TH-camrs saying that’s it’s bad for off center shots and they didn’t fix it with the 2. There r many other options. Go to a place with more than one brand for a fitting. Like 2nd swing or TXG depending on your location or a bouquet fitting spot
While the info they were providing was generally accurate, these guys sounded like your typical fitter. Just trying to get players into the most expensive clubs on their wall. And if this is the swing simulator inside a billion dollar golf equipment fitting house, that is pathetic.
Also confused with this fitting process. They gave him 2 stock shafts, and one offered lower spin for his swing. There was no dispersion comparison between the two, or any other shaft offerings being tested. I wouldn’t pay for a fitting if they just handed me two stock shafts and said one was better than the other.
@mattgenovese5891 very common practice in fitting. Custom shafts cost more money and people will be less likely to purchase. If a stock shaft works well, why with it. It was pretty obvious the lower spin shaft fit me regardless of dispersion
@@MGGolf I know TaylorMade stock shaft offerings for the stealth series. I get that this was a free event, but I didn’t see them put any of the stock ventus’ on there, and it seemed they only tried a high launch hazardous shaft and that kai’li. There may be another shaft profile in a similar launch that might give you a better result. It also looked like they gave you a stealth HD which is naturally going to give you more spin and higher launch. Did you hit the normal stealth at this event? I’m sorry I keep coming back to these comments on a 2 year old video but him saying TaylorMade charges $200 for any stock shaft was a straight up lie from the fitters (you also can’t buy shafts from TaylorMade directly, you have to go through a third party as a typical consumer) they were really trying to get you to buy the stealth over the SIM (definitely a better driver than the stealth)
@mattgenovese5891 I was playing a weak slice when I went in, so the hd model makes sense for the head choice. And the pick up in distance with the kaili shaft was massive, so prolly no need to further explore shafts. I'm not trying to defend their choices or pretend I know their intents. Just wanted to make an informative video from a beginner perspective. After this event I purchased a used sim 2 driver and then bought a used kaili shaft. Both costing less than half of a brand new stealth. I'm sure at this point I could go into another fitting much more informed on equipment and with a better swing. But as a beginner I barely understood the difference between different shaft stiffness. So I took all I could out of the demo day while understanding they are essentially salesmen
You have a very nice swing for a 30 HCap. Lot of speed, with few adjustments will cut that handicap in 1/2. Enjoy remember it is just a game.
Thank you Wayne. That means a lot. The swing is a work in progress this year and already making improvements to the driver swing. I'm starting to enjoy the game more and more as I realize it's just a game. No matter how bad or good you swing the club, there will always be a next hole. I'd love a subscribe if youre interested in watching my progress and content this year. Thanks again!
I was thinking just the opposite 🤦♂️. That’s a swing that would benefit from ALOT of lessons and practice. Not going to be fixed by the newest driver technology. There’s literally no rotation in that swing.
@Michael M I'm definitely investing into lessons this year along with some newer tech. Not the newest, but newer than I've been using. After watching my swing in all my videos, I know I need to clean some things up.
What is you hc now??
@flopshotking bout 17
I got my clubs fitted with a 45 Handicap, played them for 2,5 years finally changed them when I reached handicap 11 this year, 100% worth it
Hell ya brother✌️
@mggolf whats your handicap in 2024?
17 handicap
I was very hesitant to get fitted and now after watching this. I’m really looking to schedule somewhere now. Glad you’re enjoying the game more! Thank you for sharing your experience!
It's a fun experience watching all your numbers change with different parts. Quite tiring as well. Do some research on fitters in your area. A good fitter is just as important as a good coach. I'm glad my video helped out. ✌️
Man this was great to watch, I just started about 2 months ago and got the Callaway Edge set from Costco, Loves all the clubs but thought about getting fit for a driver. I've only played 2 courses but averaged a 37 handicap, and mostly all my clubs I can hit well except my driver (inconsistencies). Really appreciate you asking these questions, I don't feel as embarrassed going to a fitting as a high HC
No problem dude. Driver will be your most inconsistent club when starting out. No reason at all to feel embarrassed. Fitters have seen it all and know what to expect. I would suggest not getting fit so soon tho. You're swing is going to develop alot and change throughout the year. I suggest a lesson or 2 to get posture, grip, swing basics down. A fitting will never hurt your game, but I would hate to see you fit into a driver for 400-600$ and have your swing not fit the club within a year. Just my opinion for whatever it's worth. Good luck. ✌️
I had started with the Callaway Edge set from costco as well. I immediately started replacing things because I go full r-tard when I get into a hobby. I replaced my driver with a 10.5 degree stealth 2 plus that i ordered online but the shaft that came stock with it was a high trajectory. I ended up replacing it with a hazrdus black low trajectory shaft. Also replaced the fairway wood with a stealth 2 fairway wood, added a stealth 2 4H (Both with stock ventus TR shafts) and 54 degree titleist sm9 vokey (which i absolutely love) and 60 degree taylormade MG3.
I broke 100 more recently about 6 months into playing. Equipment helps, but when it comes down to it, its the reps, the mental aspect, and how you play the course. I am going to keep my game improvement irons until I shore more improvement in my fundamentals and mechanics of my swing - only then I feel I'll be ready for an iron fitting. I just don't want to pull the trigger too early when there is much to be improved with the swing and way I think and play courses.
I know you’re all going to think I’m being “that guy” but a 30 handicapper shouldn’t be thinking about anything but learning the mechanics of a golf swing and how to reproduce that swing consistently.
Getting clubs fitted when you can’t swing properly (or anywhere near properly) is crazy.
- A former HS golf coach and golf instructor
I hit my driver in the same neighborhood as you did initially, 240ish are my best drives. If I thought I could gain even 10 or 20 yards by getting a fitting and looking at shafts and loft adjustments, I would have to do it! There aren't nearly as many options for that kind of thing where I am (in Canada) but after watching this I am going to do some serious research into getting a fitting.
if you want to go the free route like i did, wait till new equiptment comes out. then search different manufacturers "fitting events" and see if anything is in your area. you get to try the new stuff out (brand specific) but at least get a baseline of the equiptment that will fit you best. switching to a low launch shaft was a game changer for me that i never would have done on my own.
Well done man! For a high handicapper / new TH-camr this video was super informative 👍
Thanks Patrick. That was the goal for the video. Tried to ask as many new player questions I could think of. ✌️
okayyyyyyyyyy this really makes me want to get fitted now.... seeing him hitting a slice and fade then switching to a stiffer shaft and it going so much longer and straighter is crazy
Give it a go! I think it's worth it if you aren't sure what profile shaft and head characteristics are best suited for your swing. ✌️
Getting fitted this weekend. Thanks for the great real life video.
Have fun with it! Glad the vid helped out. ✌️
I was waiting to see a fitting of a 30 handicap.. great insights. Btw great drives!!
Wow! What a great video.. I’m in the same spot as you same handicap looking to make the next step
Nice. My advice with fittings is that if you are looking for new equipment anyway, and have the money, go for it. If you are thinking it will fix your game, go for a lesson. Especially at a higher handicap like myself. Inconsistent striking will follow you from club to club. Just 2 lessons this year and my ball striking improved 10 fold. Good luck and keep us up to date on your game!
those p790’s are so clean, great video man !
Thank you so much! ✌️
I just had my putter and driver fit. Gone from 10-18 three putts per round to 4-8, and driver is going the straightest i've ever hit it and i've picked up distance. Deffo worth it, i'm off around 24.
That's awesome. I'm thinking I'll do a putter fitting next year. Thanks for the input. Lotta people wonder if they should do it. ✌️
These dudes are salesman. And they are good.
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I think that's a big reason people don't want to go to fittings. I don't want a salesman doing my fitting. I want a club fitter. They seemed more on the salesman side.
To me going to a specific brand Fitting is limiting your fitting. I would go somewhere where there are multiple brand options.. Not to say you don't end up with the same identical solution, just means you have more choices to try.
Thanks for the input David. I completely agree with you. For me, this was just an easy and free way to get on a launch monitor with professionals guiding me into specs to suit my swing. More of a learning experience as I had never had any type of fitting experience and don't really have the finances for it either. The branded fitting events are definitely more of a sales pitch than a fitting, but I took a lot away from it. Thanks for checking out my video. Really appreciate it! ✌️
@@MGGolf Personally never had a fitting so it was good to see one up close.. There was some good info. Also define High Handicap? Your swing gave me the impression you are around 16 Handicap..
Around 30. Check out my other videos and you could see where I'm lacking. And to be honest David, the ball flights in the video didn't seem very accurate left to right. My old driver was a slicing monster and it wasn't really represented well by the launch monitor or however they had the software settings on it. I don't know that to be fact, but more of a feeling I had.
@@MGGolf - Your driver wasn't "monster slicing", you were due to an open club face at impact. You can get fitted for driver on the market, but the results won't change. You're better off to invest in lessons. 👍
I know how a slice works. And I understand how technology can alleviate curvature slightly. I had a " monster slice" with my old driver as compared to the draw bias driver I was testing that was producing less of a curve. ✌️
Going for a Ping Fitting (First Time). This was a good look into the experience as a high handicap player. I can strike my irons well, but they are a Wilson Ultras from Academy, my driver gets me into trouble often because I'm 5'5" play with clubs meant for taller people lol. I'm excited to upgrade though.
Nice dude. I'm glad the vid helped. Good luck on the fitting. Ping has some straight flying drivers. ✌️
Good swing. If your a 30 handicap. Short game needs help. I could be wrong?
It all needs help Rob.
This made me feel like I should get fitted for a driver lol I feel like I smack it sometimes but my distance is short.. maybe I have the backspin issue too 🤷♂️ although I like the ping g425 or the Callaway rogue for more forgiveness haha
You could even get a lesson with a professional on a monitor and have them look at your numbers. I honestly had no idea I had a high launch, high spin driver until I had some professionals analyzing my numbers. If your looking at new drivers anyway, go treat yourself to a fitting. It's a great learning experience if nothing else. Thanks so much for stopping by and leaving a comment. Hope to see you come back again! ✌️
You hit the ball so well. Hope you work on your short game as that handicap will drop like a stone. That shaft made a big difference. Can’t say I was over impressed with the fitters. Did they not change the loft?
It honestly wasn't a very thorough fitting. But did give me knowledge I didn't have before on equipment. I used what I learned and bought a sim 2 max draw driver for less than half the price of the stealth hd. And no they didn't change the loft. They liked my launch numbers but not the spin. That was the benefit of the shaft change. Thanks for the comment and I would love a subscribe if you want to watch my progress this year. ✌️
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@@MGGolf something that helped my distance go from about 240--> 290 ish. Was getting the club more into my fingertips. I had a pretty strong grip, which it kinda looks like you have too (because all the videos say, strong grip will produce a draw/kill your slice). But all it was doing was killing my distance. Cause I couldn't release at all. Also, taking a more athletic stance (toes not as flared out) and using my lower body instead of my arms, helped a ton.
Fiancé played college golf and kicks my ass, so these are some things she taught me. (She drives it about 240-250 while weighing a staggering 135 lbs. 😂)
@Michael Gutierrez thanks for the comment. I'm kinda work on a few of those things currently. I've got some bad habits I got myself into. Been working on squaring up the back foot at address. Also, watching my grip due to losing iron shots to the left. Hopefully I can get things stable and consistent, then work on getting to 290. Even a consistent 240 would be nice. ✌️
@@MGGolf hell yeah man. I'm only a 17 handicap according to GHIN, so lord knows I need to work on a lot too! If you're ever in East Texas we can get a round in here in Tyler. Subbed*
How come you not recommend a 7 wood or 5 wood instead of the 2 iron ?? I’m a 3 handicap i swapped my 3 iron for a 7 wood tsr2, can’t complain off the blue on long par 5 where i get 220-230 left to the pin after a 290-300yards tee shot, i have such better eagle opportunities missing way less greens from that distance et even if missing them its not by much and still recovering thanks to the higher spin and decent angle. Just miss the 3 iron on some kind of naked course without much trees and lot of wind but still can swap pre round
I didn't do a woods fitting with these guys. I have been thinking of trying a 7 wood. I don't really have anything good over 200. Just a hybrid I can't hit consistently
I appreciate the video! I’ve been debating getting fitted for years now. My game has been improving over the last years, but my irons are now 9 years old and I bought them used to begin with.
Hey Kyle. I suggest a fitting if you have brand new club kinda money. Definitely the best way to go.
Otherwise I say I try it these demo days to get an idea of your swing tendencies with a professional on a launch monitor. Or go to a used club store and try out a bunch on a monitor and see what feels good. Then do research for best used prices. Check out global golf for really good prices. I put a link in the description. They always have good promo codes going on. I used them for basically my whole bag. Good luck bro. ✌️
Check out the Mizuno stz220 driver. 450 bucks retail and is a top performer. Do not underestimate it or dismiss it until you try it.
I actually tried it and wanted to like it because of the price. There was something about it that just wasn't vibing with me. Forget exactly what it was tho
absolutely get fitted for almost anything. Only clubs i didnt get fitted for were my wedge, i just choke up on those but all my other clubs were cut half an inch.
I ended up getting taylor sim 2's for my irons and ping g425s for my hybrids/driver. Didnt get any woods, and rolled with CBX 4 wedges
Did you need any lie/loft adjustments? I’m unsure of fitting someone with a very inconsistent swing. You can give a customer an idea of what they need in terms of a head, but differences between shafts and whatnot will be less tangible in my experience. I’d argue that beyond the head choice and actual specs of the club, the shaft is what makes the largest difference in determining what you should be purchasing.
@mattgenovese5891 no. Standard lie and loft. The job of a fitter is to fit clubs to ANY swing, regardless of consistency of strike. Give the player what works best i.e. most distance, best ball flight etc. If I could slice a ball and then hit a hook, would that make me unfittable?
@@MGGolf I somewhat agree. If a beginner comes in to get fitted, would you recommend lessons first? If they are able to produce a swing that is repeatable, I agree that is entirely a “fit-able” swing, even if it may be considered an undesirable swing. I’m relatively new to fitting people and I guess my question is, do you think a beginner golfer gets more out of a fitting process when they have a repeatable swing than someone who hasn’t reached that point? Thanks
Also thought that you were the fitter, lol. I guess I was confused when you said standard lie and loft for the other guys clubs.
@@mattgenovese5891 I'm a relatively new golfer and not getting fitted ended up costing me time but thankfully no additional cost. I bought standard clubs out the box earlier this year since i just wanted to start golfing so i bought Taylormade sim 2's. I am 5'6 and realized later that my clubs felt long and after talking with a fitter and hitting a few adjusted club lengths, I realized I should've been playing clubs that were cut half an inch. This was well before I started taking lessons but I was at least playing golf 1-3 times a week.
Did you try back your old clubs to see what its doing after as well?
Nah. Threw it in the garbage lol. I knew it wasn't that great for me going into the fitting
What flex was the first shaft and what flex was the second shaft? Very interesting it make such a big difference
I believe they were both stiff due to my swing speed being right around the 100mph mark. If I remember correctly, the first shaft was high launch and high spin. The second was a mid/low launch and low spin.
That's the main thing I really learned in my fitting with these guys. Different shafts with the same flex and weight can have different characteristics. Changing shafts significantly dropped my spin rate (about 1500-2000rpm from my daily) in turn allowing for longer flights.
I was playing a high launching high spinning club anyway. I think that's why it was such a step up for my game
There is no standard for what is a "stiff" flex. Hzrdus makes a bunch of different color shafts that are all stiff and same flex rating. Most of the colors are low spin low trajectory. They have a red that is mid trajectory mid spin. But the difference is where they offer the "bend" during the swing. My Stiff Blue RDX has a softer mid section and stiff tip and butt. The original black has a stiff butt and midsection and a softer tip. Green is stiffest throughout.
I'm having a 60 min TM fitting in a couple of weeks. I recently started up again after nearly 20 years off. I'm currently a 28 hcp. I bought my current clubs new in the mid 90's so it's definitely time for some new ones. I had a 30 min Ping fitting a couple of months ago, and found what suits me best from them. I'm making a short list of brands/models to decide from and I hope to purchase later this year. Thanks for the video of your fitting.
That's awesome man. Welcome back to the game. Upgrading 30ish year old clubs will be huge for your game. And I love that your shopping around. Very smart. When youre ready to purchase, don't forget to look into the used club market too. I ended up buying a used Sim2 driver and used 2019 p790's at half the price of brand new with all the same specs I got fit into. There's a link to global golf in the video description. That's where I got my clubs at. They always have great deals going on. Good luck in the TM fitting. Definitely check back with the channel and let us know how you got on and which clubs you're gonna go with! ✌️
@@MGGolf I liked the Stealth irons, but I wasn't crazy about their drivers. I tried out some buddy's Callaway drivers, and they just weren't for me. I had a fitting with Cleveland and Srixon clubs, I leaned toward the Clevelands, but they're still not the ones for me. I did decide on the Ping G425 driver over the weekend (it was discounted for the holiday). I'm very pleased with it, after some range time. I'm looking forward to my next round in a couple of weeks. It's been too hot here in So Cal lately. I have a Callaway fitting for their Apex irons. We'll see how that goes. So far I'm leaning toward the Ping G710's. I'll probably wait on an iron purchase until early 2023. I'm dialed in with the driver, wedges, and my trusty old Callaway blade putter. My old irons are still working for me, so there's no rush and my woods have been ok. Once I decide on irons, I'll look into hybrids/woods to fill in the gaps between my longest iron and my driver. The search continues.
G425 has had some serious praise around it. That is one driver I recommend to every higher handicap player I know. Forgiveness is off the charts from what I heard. That's awesome that you got hands on so many different brands and clubs. Very smart shopping.
If you're not feeling any irons right now and your not hurting for them, waiting till next year is a great idea. Swing mechanics and speed could all change by then as well.
One fitting that is slept on a lot is a ball fitting. Could be something to look into as well. Titleist is gonna be in my area in the next couple weeks so I'm gonna try to test their new drivers and get a ball fitting as well.
Thanks for getting back with the update. I love to hear about it. Stoked that You're getting back into it and getting some well fit equipment too! ✌️
Really enjoyed the video(s) both the Taylormade and Callaway fitting. I am curious though, do you know if the shaft weight and lower back spin apply to the hybrids and woods? I’m terribly inconsistent with those 3 clubs
Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I did do a hybrid fit with the Callaway driver. Didn't make a video out of it tho. I remember that particular fitter more concerned with the distances on the hybrids than spin numbers. You don't want low spin like a driver. Spin creates stability in the ball flight. And I think the heavier the shaft the easier it is to control. Lighter shaft can swing faster, but can be harder to feel where the club actually is within your swing. For hybrid/wood I think the goal is to hit some good distances in between irons and driver and have it be comfortable to hit. If you're interested in more fitting videos, check out the guys at TXG on TH-cam (tour experience golf). If you can find a product demo and get a free fit, that will show you what kind of numbers you are putting out and what kind of shaft profile would be best for you. Or try a regular fitting if you've got the cash for that. Hope that helps. ✌️
Literally any level, once you can hit the ball forwards, can benefit for a driver, wood and hybrid shaft fitting. It can be 2-3 shots a round better easy vs cheap or older stock shafts.
I definitely agree. ✌️
I went to a golf fitting (similar handicap, 58 y.o.) shanked 60 balls consistently for an hour only to find that my driver swing speed is only 85 mph, which is perfectly suited for an off-the-rack 10.5d regular shaft stiffness driver. Going to a new driver gained me abut ten yards, not a great ROI for $400-600.
I hit balls much better on the course than I did into the blank screen
Blank screen fitting sounds rough. Ten yards ain't much, but ain't bad. Did your dispersion get fixed?
It’s too early to tell on dispersion … the data was not great and since I don’t shank nearly as much on the course’s and it’s snowing here now I decided on mail order rather than a retail custom fitting. In a sense, I paid for a fitting as part of my research into what would be the right flex. I ended up getting a great deal on some mail order like-new Great Big Bertha’s, (regular stiffness 10.5 D, 5w, hybrid) about 70% off list and total less than the driver at list price. I’ll work on my swing knowing that it’s not the clubs and they’re the right flex. They replaced the top end of my bag which was a mix of a repaired 12 year old callaway driver and 25 yr old cobra stiff woods.
Really interesting watch… may have to take myself to get fitted
If you have the money and are looking to purchase brand new equipment, 100% get fitted. Otherwise check online to see if any brands have any demo days/fitting events and you can get a free "fitting" and get a rough idea of equipment to look at. Thanks for checking out my video.
@@MGGolf thanks for the advice… the smaller channels always have the gems. Won’t be long until this grows big!
Just remember fitters are not instructors and instructors are not fitters. I waited 13 years to finally take my first lessons. Pay for itself tenfold over buying equipment. After taking lessons I feel I can pick up just about any club and maybe even blades and have a decent round. In a few months I went from shooting high 90s to mid to low 80s. Even scored a 79 for the first time in my life. LESSONS LESSONS LESSONS. Just like a good doctor, you want to get a good referral on a good instructor.
A good fitter will often give little swing tips if they see an issue. And a good instructor will look at your clubs to see if anything doesn't match up with your abilities. But they do not replace each other, and you can not purchase a better swing through a fitting. I agree with you 100. And I like your statement on a good referral. I've been through 2 instructors so far. One was just a cheap, local pro and I got what I paid for. The other was a referral and it was a much better experience (albeit more expensive). Lessons trump fittings. But if you want to buy new clubs for the sake of buying new clubs I recommend getting a fit. ✌️
You seem a better player than 30!
I just got fitted for irons and changed my striking completely
I was definitely at least a 30 handicap. That flight monitor did not show curvature accurately lol.
I'm stoked for your fitting man. Keep on progressing! ✌️
How were the fitters with the decision for you not to purchase? I’ve been thinking of going for a fitting, but anxious that I decide against spending loads of money and making it a waste of their time, even if I am paying a fitting fee. Would just love to try different clubs/shafts to get an understanding of what I need going forward, but the anxiety of them being frustrated with me for not purchasing puts me off.
They're all salesmen, so they definitely want to sell lol. In this particular case, it was a "demo" for the stealth that could potentially lead to a sale. So they were there for 8 hours regardless of how many appointments they had. If I was crazy in love with it I would buy it. But I wasn't. Im personally good at saying no and go no shits about making a situation awkward. They're NPC's to me.
I've done 2 fittings so far and neither one of them really asked for the sale. Just said I'm gonna look at other options and went on my way.
I wouldnt do a paid fitting unless you really plan on buying. Usually the cost of the fitting will be applied to the cost of the club.
It's new club season now. Id look around at different club manufacturer websites for "fitting events". It's free and you can get basic things figured out like loft, head type, shaft stiffness, weight, and trajectory. That's what I did at this fitting and bought the same stuff used for less than half the price.
Sorry for the long message, but I did this experiment to help people out and I hope it was helpful.✌️
You actually have a nice swing for such a reportedly high HC. Looks like you’re loading nicely into the downswing and generating some lag, from what I can tell. Only thing I can see that would probably be holding you back from creating more speed is you seem to rotate your hips too laterally in the backswing. If you can get your right side more tilted up as you take it back you might be able to get more power as you come back down.
Thanks for the comment. My handicap mostly came from O.B.s and short game. I think my swing has changed a touch since this video. A big issue for me with driver is that I swing at about 200% lol. I need to slow it down and work on strike more.
I'm in the process of editing another fitting video with the Callaway paradym. Should be out next week some time. If you're interested, feel free to subscribe so you don't miss it. I really appreciate your input to my swing. Thanks again. ✌️
Thanks for sharing!
My absolute pleasure. Thanks for stopping by!
Crazy i have same irons burner 2.0 and driver as you (current lowest score is 90 from blues) but i got fitted at golftec and picked stealth and p790's cant wait until they come in i ordered in april
That's gonna be a very sexy bag. Nice upgrade!✌️
@@MGGolf yea cant wait to shoot in the 100's with my brand new irons and driver LOL
Go get em tiger
@@zc5107 I did the same thing pretty much. I shoot in the 100's and got fitted for a driver and irons last September just because I've never owned a new set of clubs. I ended up getting Callaway Mavrik Irons and a Callaway Epic Driver. I've been playing about the same I normally do with them haha. It's nice having a nice set of clubs for once tho and they will last me a long time so I'm happy.
When do they talk about of it's worth it?
Look at that improvement from 235 to 275 once they change your club.
Good Video, a voice over will make the youtube really great. IN the end, is it worth it for high handicapper?? NOt answered though !
i was a 30 handicap. i had nothing intelligent to voice over lol. main point of the video was before and after, along with insight from the fitters. do you think it would be worth upgrading after my fitting?
@@MGGolf There will definitely be some help after money spent there BUT FOr 30 handicapper, I will suggest hold back tht urget and put money to coaching and training and upgrade later.
By then club price would hv dropped and your shots stabilised and the fit may be different.
STILL, voice over will make the youtube experience better if u aim for a good youtube production. Cheers
If you’re ever in the San Francisco Bay Area or Monterey (I live in between) we should get a round in. I feel like we are on similar journeys. Similar handicap and I’m getting my first driver fitting in a week.
👍👍👍 definitely dude. good luck on the fitting too!
I'm in the same area, where did you get your fitting? How did it go?
@Bob Tindall
Tagging @Jason Kim for you. ✌️
I’m literally just starting, so would I be best to buy a set of clubs I like the look of or get fitted
Hey. Great question. If ur LITERALLY just starting out. I suggest spending as little as possible on clubs. Something made within the last 10 years should be fine. You gotta see how much you're really gonna get into it. If u end up NOT liking as much as you think you will, then ur not out a bunch of money. If u do end up loving it, you will play a lot and your swing will change a lot in that first year. Then you will outgrow that set and can look into newer equipment and possible fitting. My first set was a borrowed Top Flite set. Used it for about half a year. Then I invested into some old TaylorMade burner irons and driver. Maybe 500$ for a full set. Then I recently got fitted and still didn't even buy new. Got equipment bout 2 years old. Prolly about 1100$ for my equipment now. Of course if money is no object, just get the prettiest clubs you want. Hopefully that helps alittle. ✌️
@@MGGolf thank you so much , my friend is getting custom fit this weekend at ping and told me I can have is old set , they are taylormade speed burners , so I’m hoping they are not too good for me , I suppose worse case scenario if I can’t get used to them I can always buy another set , they all play ten minutes from my house at a nice private club , so that’s where I will join , thanks a lot
That's so awesome man. You shouldn't have to worry about them being too good for you. If they are what I think, they should be around 10 year old cavity back irons. Don't worry too much about equipment just yet. Enjoy learning the game. Savor the good shots and forget the bad ones. You'll have a great year! ✌️
What shaft was that they put on to make your spin drop in the low 2,000 to 1,800?
Mitsubishi kai'li white
Thanks for uploading this.
No problem✌️
I’ve been to a stealth fitting event, and the guy was having me hit the HD model as well (I told him I miss it out to the right). I plan on working on my swing more, and I’d like to keep this driver for a minimum of a few years. Because of these things, I would rather be in the Stealth or Stealth+ rather than the HD. You have any thoughts on this? It may also be my ego creeping in, but I’m a mid-high handicap and just would like to hear your opinion
Thank you so much for mentioning this. This was a huge thought for me as well. I hit the regular stealth afterwards and it was just sloppy so I didn't include it. I think I was just getting tired from swinging for an hour straight and not used to that driver head. The draw version of the taylormade heads is the most forgiving on off-center strikes and the largest face, not just a draw bias. So that's a plus. Also, from what I've seen online, the taylormade "draw" type drivers are the least anti-slice drivers compared to other brands. So if you do plan on working on your swing these might be the way to go. I ended up purchasing the sim 2 max D driver (draw bias) and its very subtle on the draw. Ive made changes to my swing that only compliment the draw nature of the driver and don't hurt. I honestly feel like draw-bias drivers are slept on. Maybe its an ego thing, but who will really notice the tiny text that says "HD" under the driver when you hit a nice straight bomb. Tour players use fade bias drivers... no different to us using draw bias drivers. I think the TXG guys and 2nd Swing did a good comparison on draw type drivers you should check out. Long answer, but I hope it helps out lol.
@@MGGolf hey, i appreciate the response. i didnt know that taylormade's draw models are more subtle than other companies. ill keep more of an open mind. i recently was fit into a stealth 4 rescue (22 degree) and a stealth 5 wood (18 degree), but i didnt have time for the driver. this makes me want to go back for the driver
If you have the money for brand new, I recommend going for a full on fitting to give other brands a chance. If you have a budget like me, dont rule out old tech. I picked up my sim 2 max D used for only 250$ shipped vs. $600 for stealth and hit it just as well. Subscribe to the channel if you haven't so you can come back and let me know how you got on. ✌️
@@MGGolf I’m not sure I would agree the ‘draw version’ of TM drivers are always more forgiving. Typically a draw version has steeper lie and slightly closed face. If the draw version is more forgiving for your current swing, it’s likely due to your delivery, which should be obvious if you have a printout or chart from your fitting session. Look for dynamic lie, that’s the lie angle as delivered at impact. That’s due to your swing, not the club. This is one of greatest benefits of adjustable hosels to golfers like yourself who may be making substantial changes to your swing in near future. You buy a draw biased driver today, you may find it inappropriate or limiting factor in evolving your swing.
Not to undersell the importance of shaft but I personally think shafts are more a factor in feel than flight dynamics. A soft tip can effect head delivery with some ovalizing or droop but for most part I find mass and weight balance the biggest factor. If you can feel the head, you’re more likely to properly release the head at impact resulting in more consistent striking.
If I were in your position, I would start with finding a golf professional you feel comfortable with to get some lessons. Then spend at least 3 sessions at range working on items your instructor was working with you on between every lesson. I’d personally wait at least 2-3 months of lessons before buying any club. If you must buy a driver first, I would avoid a ‘draw bias’ but would highly suggest an adjustable hosel type to allow you some adaptability as your swing evolves. If you prefer TM drivers, I’d strongly suggest the Sim over Sim2. The original Sim has a taller face which I find many golfers see as more confidence inspiring.
@Michael M Not saying that all draw versions of TM drivers are more forgiving. But if you look at the specs and dimensions of at least the stealth and sim 2 draw versions, they say it has a larger faced compared to standard and max versions. Larger face=Easier to hit.
I agree that shaft is the biggest factor in feel during the swing. But it can also play into flight. For example,depending on the stiffness at the tip end, the kick point can vary which will effect launch, spin, and strike location. Of course this is in conjunction with whatever type head fits you best.
So I did recently buy a sim 2 draw mostly for the largest face out of the sim 2 family. The draw bias is extremely subtle and I lowered my loft anyway which opens the face and sort of cancels the closed face of the draw type. I do plan to take a few lessons this year. Still working on finding the right coach tho.
Only reason I bought a new driver is because I had money saved up specifically for it and I knew mine wasn't a good fit for me anymore. Bad hits were horrible and great hits were lackluster. Seeing the numbers at the fitting showed me my old driver didn't fit my game anymore.
Great idea man! This was super helpful!
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How how how how do you have a 30+ handicap with numbers like this??? Do you putt with a hockey stick?
Clever
Great video. The only thing to me, is I hate unwarranted advise on my swing. I understand theyre trying to help, but getting fit to a set of clubs is not the time for someone to be give you swing tips or asking you to change something. Just my 2 cents.
Hey thanks man. I think if the swing adjustment is small enough and just a physical adjustment, then that's ok. Anything past that is lesson territory.
The fitter in this case noticed my shoulders were quite off line with my target line and helped me to see it. Just a simple "turn your shoulders to the right" will promote an in-to-out path. There was another swing adjustment they mentioned, but my body just wasn't working with it there and I had to give up on it. Not the time for that one. I guess the player needs to know their ability to change and adapt, otherwise just stick to fitting to the swing you walked in with. ✌️
30yds roll???? whats he landing it on? a road?
Cart path ftw
Vn, but you need to find a fitter that doesn't push one brand of clubs. I drove 6 hrs to a 2nd swing and walked out with a set of Mizuno irons turned out for me those were the best, and the cheapest aw-6 iron with graphite shafts under 1000 bucks.every other brand charged an extra 200 to go to graphite from steel shafts Fitting was free with the purchase.
That's awesome. I've seen some videos from the second swing guys. Good stuff there. That's a long drive to see them too. Glad it worked out. ✌️
@@MGGolf i had a dicks where i live, but if im going to spend 1,000 bucks i want the right ones, scottsdale arizona was the closest and the nicest. worth every penny.
I feel you dude. Definitely a good decision.
Why would the stealths be good for only a season or two vs the other for 5 years?
I was looking into the stealths but that kinda worrys me.
Because they're game improvement irons and I would outgrow them quick. Built for beginners that have slower swing speed or have a hard time getting the ball to go high or long. With the way my iron striking is I was hitting a 7 iron stealth like 200 yards. There's no need for that. Not saying I'm great at golf ( I'm def not) just that the stealth offers too much assistance where it would hinder my game. P790 irons would be the next step up for me as far as ability and playability goes. I played game improvement irons for the last 4 years. They go high and they go long. That's what they do if that's what your looking for. All depends on where you and your game are at. Hope that helps. ✌️
@@MGGolf yeah that makes sense.
I think I’ll have to do like you and go swing a few different irons.
Thanks!
So what is your swing speed?
Typically just over 100 with driver
@@MGGolf wow, and you went from 230ish to 280+ ? My SS is 95-100 and i only went from 210-230 to 240-260 w/ new driver this year
Ya. My old driver was really not fit to my swing. Tons of spin on it. Also, I was swinging fin hard on the fitting. Realistically on course, a good hit is 250ish
Hey thanks for the video
No problem Nick. Thanks for checking it out! ✌️
very nice, well done informative video. 5 stars.
Thank you so much. Appreciate it 🙏
Great video but I’m always skeptical of these shot trackers without a launch monitor, I feel like the data is incorrect. You swing pretty hard and I feel like that speed would go over 225 carry, and a few shots where you came through open it still went straight 🤔 no hate on you tho your swing is like one piece away from being money!
Hey thanks so much man. So this demo used a gc 2 I think... They didn't mark the club face with the little stickers so I'm not sure how much accuracy is lost there. I do agree with u on the open face straight shot. This was apparent to me immediately. I was hitting as hard as I could lol and they went decently straight. (shoulda been a huuuuge slice). Either left and right dispersion was altered through software (or ignored), or it was a 100yard wide fairway. Distance was accurate for my swing though based on my daily driver distances. You can swing as fast as you want, if it's not good contact it's not going anywhere. Half of that is speculation, and that's why I left it out of the video. End of the day, my potential for distance went up with the new driver and low spin shaft. But realistically, I'm gonna slice the shit out of it. Taking lessons and working on technique now to fix it tho. I hope this answered any concerns you might have had about the fitting/demo I went to. I really appreciate you checking it out and leaving some input. ✌️
@@MGGolf for sure man I wasn’t trying to sound like the king of golf or anything because my swing needs as much work as anyone’s. Sky is the limit for your swing and you have the athleticism to be very good im excited to follow your progress
All good bro. That was all stuff I would have liked to put into the video but I wanted to remain as unbias as possible and just put the experience into video.
And I have a lot of work ahead of me to get any better too. Golf is too freaking hard lol. Keep us updated on your progress this year. ✌️
Run don’t walk away from these fitters.
Swing 100-102 club speed is not possible for 275 carry.
Spend about $500-1k on lessons and play w second hand clubs for 2-3 yrs before fitting a golf set valued at over $2k.
The best is buying used set of blades for around $150. Ur ball striking will improving significantly.
Best of luck
I ended up buying a used driver and set of irons for about 1/3 the price of brand new and know that it will last me years. Also, I have swing lessons starting in 2 weeks! Stay safe. Thanks for the input ✌️
Buying Used I agree with, but getting a fitting IMO is a must if you want to improve. You can have all the lessons in the world, but if your club weight,lie angle, and shaft are just wrong for your swing and tempo, then you are fighting a battle that doesn't need to be fought. I am a HIGH handicap player. Zero lessons, playing with used clubs. I always felt they were a bit heavy, and the lie angle was off, the toe was always way off the ground. But I was fairly sure on my stroke and stance. So I went to a Club Fitting place. Warmed up with my clubs, all bad, slices and shanks, nothing straight, mostly nerves, but like I said, im not terribly great. The tech then handed me a club, a tad shorter, different lie angle, weight a little less, told me, change nothing, and swing away. Dead ringer, straight as an arrow and about 50 yds longer. For every club type in my bag, it was a night and day difference. Guy said, my swing and tempo are fine, the clubs were wrong. I spent 1800$ right then and there having my entire bag adjusted. New shafts, new grips, new angles, new weights, all to match what we dialed in on in the 4 hour session. My game has VASTLY improved, going from an average of 110-120 for 18 holes, to 90-100. I've given myself a base to build off of, to fine tune my game and hopefully in a year or so, get below 90, which is my ultimate goal. Get fitted, make sure the clubs are right for you, and use that as a base to build off of. If you trust the clubs are right, everything else will follow.
@@djbreal87 While I dont discount your experience, getting fit before any substantial gains in your actual golf swing is counter productive. You just essentially put a band aid over a broken swing. With a solid foundation and swing base one can essentially hit any club on line for the most part or easily adjust to the characteristics of the club. He sold you 1800 worth of mascara on a pig.
@@colinreddick Ohh I absolutely will not argue that. And I absolutely could be wrong, but I feel atleast having clubs the right length and weight, will aid me on my road to improvement. If im using clubs the wrong length, I could improve my swing sure, but id be improving it with the wrong set up. Could I have just bought, some nice used clubs, that were already correct for me? Yea, did I realize that at the time? no. Is this the sunken cost fallacy and im trying desperately to justify me spending that money? absolutely lol
I got fitted and made a massive difference, I now play 1/2 inch shorter irons. I found out my 2nd hand set was 1 inch longer. Lessons and fitting is the way forward
A long drive is a product of technique as well as speed.Some guys swing their guts out when 80% effort with good timing will give as good a result. Of course ball banging impresses your playing partners if you can stay on the course.🙀
If all your partners hit it in the woods, then farthest in the woods wins lol. Driver swing has definitely improved since this video. Check out some of my newer videos if you have a free minute. I appreciate you checking this one out! ✌️
from my experience i do not recommend getting fit for anything as a high handicap, get a sound fundamental swing, then get fit
Thanks for the input Nathan. Good to hear from different people's experiences. ✌️
A few things I noticed. I don't think you had ideal shoes and it seemed you were slipping a little bit. Also at your transition you tend to bend your wrists more and not turn quite as deep. That is a lot of added movement and "extension" that doesn't really translate to speed or power. Try keeping your left wrist more flat and feel like you are rotating more instead of using arms and wrists. I really respect the grind and ambition to get better, for sure!
Thanks Micah. The low top vans definitely don't help the game. Didn't even think about it.
I appreciate the input on my swing. I was all hands and arms that day. Working more on getting rotation in the swing this year. Thanks for checking the video out. ✌️
I strongly suggest that you get yourself a golf coach.
At the moment you are generating most of your swing speed with your arms & upper body, but you are hardly using your legs & lower body. If you find a coach who will show you how to use your legs & lower body correctly you will start to hit bombs, with much better dispersion.
I actually just booked my first swing lesson for a couple weeks from today. If the coach is cool with it, I'm going to try to make a video of it. Thank you for the comment. Check back later and hopefully there will be progression throughout the year
@@MGGolf that's great news, I will be interested to see your progress👍
I'm sorry but I don't know your back story and didn't realise that you are quite new to the game, your vid just popped up on my suggested watch list.
Once you get a swing coach to show you how to activate your legs and lower body rather than just swinging with your arms you will really start to see improvements in your game. Good luck, I have just subscribed so it will be interesting to see your journey, Good Luck👍
Beginner hitting it 240 yards???? Played 30 years and would love to get it that far.
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I'm 15 and hit 320😅 to bad they never go straight💀
that stance is brutal
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seems like theyre pretty push to sell
Gotta eat
@@MGGolf true
Lots of people are saying how others should spend money, just let people be into golf ⛳️
Play how you wanna play ✌️
Ur lower than a 30 for sure.. one thing I saw with all the swings.. are u transferring weight to lead foot? It looks like ur staying on the trail a bit.
30 mostly due to O.B. and lost shots.
I was actually in a bad habit of leaving all my weight on the front foot and never really transferring at all. Keeping weight in my front is how I learned to stay over the ball. Bad habit I got into. Current swing thought is having a soft rear knee and not locking it out. Allowing a weight shift. ✌️
Awesome dude
Thanks so much. 🙏🙏🙏
I've played with a lot of high handicappers, your shot dispersion is nothing like what I see on the course from them.
Honestly Dan, I have suspicions about how well they were tracking left and right dispersion. Plenty of those shots should have been off the planet to the right. I'm guessing calming down shot shape through software could help with sales. Again, just a suspicion.
He never intended on purchasing, that's why he went to a free fitting. Classic tyre kick. TM obviously calculated this risk but deemed the rewards still worth hosting the event. Still, a classic tyre kick
I'm sure TM didn't mind 100k views of a 30 handicap carrying their new driver 290 yards. Get bent
I’m a 30 handicap because I’m atrocious when it comes to chipping and putting
You and me both brother
Bruh no way you hitting consis drive straight at 30 handi that's wild
Ya. I think the flight monitor was a little off
“Is it worth getting fitted?” And “It’s free at this demo event” 😂
Don’t waste time getting fitted for clubs when you’re shooting over 100 unless your clubs feel like wet spaghetti or a broom handle when you swing them. If they do, just try to figure out what flex of shafts you need and trade your clubs to get a decent used set with shafts that fit you a little better. “It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian”
When you feel like you hit the wall at improving your game (probably between bogey golf and a single digit handicap) would be my suggestion for an actual fitting. At that point you would likely benefit greatly from it.
Sorry dude. Disagree. At 30 handicap you prolly don't know your swing speed, associated shaft stiffness/kick, or really any metrics. This fitting was my introduction to equipment.
I got fit into p790s as a 30 handicap, still use them as a mid handicap player, and know they will go further.
They fit me into a forgiving driver head with a low spin stiff shaft from a reg flex high spin. Never gave shafts a second thought before this.
Until you get into a fitting and try different options and see the effects with a fitter explaining things, I don't think one can understand equipment well (especially a beginner/high handicap player).
I'm obsessive and research things crazy before a purchase, but I still get fit for proper equipment.
very hard to get through the shot with your hips when your right foot is flared like that. guarantee you'll have a better follow through if you straighten that one out a bit and keep your left foot the same. I'm not a pro but i had the same problem.
theyre both so flared i can tell youre having a problem with your hip turn in your back swing too. sorry cant help myself lol
I've got some pretty bad hip and back mobility so I heard the flaring helps. But I have tried squaring up my back foot in recent rounds. Just waiting to get into a lesson and have a coach see what will work best for me. ✌️
Swing that good and consistent but still a 30 handicap! I’m sure you’ll be halving that in no time
Thanks man. Shooting for 18 by end of this year
@@MGGolf I’m a 30 handicapper and my swing looks like a spring being wound up whilst also being knocked off a table! 🤣
😂
I don't think any golfer should get fitted clubs until he's around the 80's point. That's when you can actually start to tell a big difference in clubs. But at a 30 you're getting a lot of mis hits and your swing is inconsistent which makes it hard to fit. Especially these days when they go off of attack angle, and weight distribution and hand placement and all this stuff for fittings now it's wild.
Not a bad swing but need to sort those feet out for stability mate.
Working on squaring up the back foot better. Also, need to stop playing while wearing Vans. ✌️
Buy you a used set of 2019 P90s and slowly start saving up for the shafts. The shaft is 80% of the club, look at it like this, the club head is the Car and the shaft is the engine
I think fitting for most 30 hcps is probably almost pointless, as their swing will change so fast, often even within minutes. 😂 But you have a really solid looking swing and great tempo, you will be a 20 hcp in a few months probably. So this seems to make sense
Thanks Capt. I agree with you. My swing changes every time I go out. Some people regardless of ability just want to go out and buy the best newest thing tho. And if that's the case, why not get fitted. Especially with adjustability on newer clubs. As long as you let your fitter know if you plan to get better or just go out for fun a few times a year. ✌️
Dude. You have some serious arm/hip speed. If you could strighten your legs/feet and learn to use the ground, you'd legit be a 280+carry driver no problem.
Lol. I know. Driver is the worst club in my bag with the highest potential. Range sessions can get to 300. On the course it's hot garbage usually. Thanks for the comment. Appreciate ya✌️
Backspin: 3500 - "nothing wrong with that" ummm lol
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Dang if i could hit drives like that i would not be a 30 hcp
I can make it happen. ✌️
@@MGGolf i just wanna not slice 😭
Me too. This video is deceiving. The launch monitor wasn't showing my natural slice shape for some reason. You're not alone
Ahh yes I just got fitted funny how your clubs you do well with are super expensive lol walked out 3k lighter in the pocket
Yessir. Everybody winner! 😂
This chick was clueless. Geez she will say anything she can to make the product sound better. Who TF tees it lower to hit it higher 🤣
😂
lessons would be the first thing to do and then get fitted
I've had lessons
He's not that high handicap, he hit too many clean shots, most of my friends play 20+ and that miss hit one in four probably(at least)
Watch the course vlogs for proof ✌️
You don't need fitting or even nice clubs I've shot under par with junior clubs, I've shot under par with old ass grampa clubs to probe to my friends that equipment doesn't matter nearly as much as they think it does
I'm sure I could keep playing my out dated game improvement clubs with incorrect shaft stiffness and learn to play around it. But why make the game harder?
What a big difference
It really was. I actually just filmed another fitting just today with Callaway. Hoping to get the video out in the next couple weeks. If your interested in seeing it and you're not already subscribed, I'd love it if you did so you don't miss out on the video when it comes out. ✌️
No way bro gained 20+ yards by changing the shaft ☠️
Drop a couple thousand rpm backspin and things happen ✌️
Subbed too haha
These fitters talked so much bull 🤦🏻♂️ who tees the ball down to hit up on it more 🤦🏻♂️🤣 have they not seen the long drive guys, they tee it up about 2 inches 🤣🤣
Lol. It was definitely more sales focused than player focused. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a comment. I really appreciate it! ✌️
Get some lessons with a good coach you should be down to single figures inside six months, then consider getting fitted.
Thanks for the comment Adrian! I'm starting lessons next week. Hopefully the coach will be a good match for me. Stop back later and check on my progress. ✌️
No. If you cannot break 100 with any random club out of the rubbish bin, you should learn how to play golf first.
Way to be part of the problem lol, here everyone says equipment isn't going to make you that much better, then I see this video and all that goes out the window
Good watch though!
Lol. Sorry Josh. Thanks for checking out the video. ✌️
You must be really bad at putting and/or short play, cos that ain’t a 30 handicap swing. Hitting 250 carry with driver, pretty straight. I know 12 handicap players who struggle with that.
Ya man. Short game was pretty bad. Also, that sim was a little sus on how straight the drives were. I was a pretty heavy slicer back then
No one with a 20+ handicap needs a fitting you need swing lessons new clubs don’t fix a bad swing
They can tho
My personal opinion is you don't need to get fitted clubs until you are about to break 80. My reasoning is because your swing has to be very good and consistent to break 80, and right now this swing isn't great. It's a solid swing but your hip and body rotation and arms and wrists need work. After you get that work done, you would need a new set of clubs. Like others have said, a lesson would be way more beneficial first.
I needed new clubs. I was playing game improvement clubs that weren't helpful. I disagree with not getting fit. The point of the fitting is to fit TO the swing You've got. And a swing will change through your entire career playing. Check my recent videos. My swing has changed a lot and I'm playing the clubs they fit me into and they feel great still. I don't at all disagree with getting lessons as I do that regularly as well. I plan to keep my clubs at least until my swing speed increases and I need x stiff clubs. I still appreciate your input and respect your view point
If your cheap your game will be trash, invest in your setup and it will last you years.
Not true. Watched Bryson D. Shoot even par with hickory clubs and a set of $150 Amazon clubs.
"It's a bad carpenter that blames his tools"
Without watching the video....if your a 30 hcp and you paid for a fitting they scammed you lol
Free demo fitting for the stealth release
So, I he went from a 218 carry to a 250 carry with just a shaft change. But, fitting isn't worth it... Right. 😂
Haters gonna hate man
The golf club is a tool...do construction workers get fitted for a Hammer? No they don't...they learn the skill to use that Hammer properly. Regardless or height, weight, arm length, etc...learn how to use the tool in your hands properly
Wouldn't that construction worker want the hammer that feels best in his hands? Perhaps the style of hammer best suited for his job? Of course he can "get by" with any old hammer, but why not find the most comfortable and most efficient?
@@MGGolf I would agree! I would always want the hammer that feels most comfortable in my hands. I was trying to just give a thought on getting fitted isn't necessary to play good golf as long as you understand the club you have and how to use it! Also would agree that a club fitting can help some people if not most people! Just not necessary in my opinion, unless your a professional trying to get a slight edge
@@MGGolf much love though! No disrespect! I'm thankful and appreciate the content!
I totally feel you. And I really appreciate the input. After the fitting I did a ton of research on the subject. A lot. And I could see the benefit of it. But what I tell people is that if they have a lot of money and want a brand new club, go get fitted. Why not.
I don't have disposable income so I tried this free demo day/fitting event to get myself on a launch monitor in front of professionals and see what my numbers are. Based on that I did research on the subject and made a purchase ( I wanted new clubs anyway ) with similar spec'ed used clubs. I'm sure I could have picked up another brand head/shaft and been in similar forgiveness and distance categories, but I'm a researcher when I purchase. That's just me.
Not everyone has money for new clubs or time to go try every club out there, so basing purchases on company marketing is close enough. High handicap = grab the "max" version. Low handicap = grab the "low spin" version. But of course, lessons and learning techniques trump all of that
The worst driver for high handicappers the stealth and the stealth 2
I enjoyed hitting it. Felt good. But also, I don't think I was on a very accurate sim tracking left and right movement. So I coulda been in the trees all day and didn't know it. Did you have a bad experience with the stealth?
@@MGGolf no but there are many TH-camrs saying that’s it’s bad for off center shots and they didn’t fix it with the 2. There r many other options. Go to a place with more than one brand for a fitting. Like 2nd swing or TXG depending on your location or a bouquet fitting spot
No sense in buying new clubs if you can't strike the ball properly. Become a student of the game first.
Why make the game even harder by using outdated equipment tho?
If your a 30 handicap buying a 600$ driver wont lower your score .take lessons instead
If your equipment is 10-20 years old, new stuff won't hurt
While the info they were providing was generally accurate, these guys sounded like your typical fitter. Just trying to get players into the most expensive clubs on their wall. And if this is the swing simulator inside a billion dollar golf equipment fitting house, that is pathetic.
Also confused with this fitting process. They gave him 2 stock shafts, and one offered lower spin for his swing. There was no dispersion comparison between the two, or any other shaft offerings being tested. I wouldn’t pay for a fitting if they just handed me two stock shafts and said one was better than the other.
@mattgenovese5891 very common practice in fitting. Custom shafts cost more money and people will be less likely to purchase. If a stock shaft works well, why with it. It was pretty obvious the lower spin shaft fit me regardless of dispersion
@@MGGolf I know TaylorMade stock shaft offerings for the stealth series. I get that this was a free event, but I didn’t see them put any of the stock ventus’ on there, and it seemed they only tried a high launch hazardous shaft and that kai’li. There may be another shaft profile in a similar launch that might give you a better result. It also looked like they gave you a stealth HD which is naturally going to give you more spin and higher launch. Did you hit the normal stealth at this event?
I’m sorry I keep coming back to these comments on a 2 year old video but him saying TaylorMade charges $200 for any stock shaft was a straight up lie from the fitters (you also can’t buy shafts from TaylorMade directly, you have to go through a third party as a typical consumer) they were really trying to get you to buy the stealth over the SIM (definitely a better driver than the stealth)
@mattgenovese5891 I was playing a weak slice when I went in, so the hd model makes sense for the head choice. And the pick up in distance with the kaili shaft was massive, so prolly no need to further explore shafts. I'm not trying to defend their choices or pretend I know their intents. Just wanted to make an informative video from a beginner perspective.
After this event I purchased a used sim 2 driver and then bought a used kaili shaft. Both costing less than half of a brand new stealth. I'm sure at this point I could go into another fitting much more informed on equipment and with a better swing. But as a beginner I barely understood the difference between different shaft stiffness. So I took all I could out of the demo day while understanding they are essentially salesmen