@@danharold3087 where? I'm a firefighter in Michigan and haven't seen any arson on EV's? They always have thermal runaway while driving or charging. I guess they COULD be arson, but even the insurance investigators don't say arson, and they try to find any reason to not pay out.
@@Zbruh69 Forgot to answer where. The once case that sticks in my mind was in Portland (maybe). Some guy set fire to the front end of a Tesla. The firefighters wrote it off as a battery fire until the dude presented them with the video. But think about this. Had the fire progress to where the USB drive was toasted it would have remained a battery fire. Yes it is all anecdotal unless your the outfits that do the counting. But then nobody wants to believe them. Have you been equipped and trained to fight BEV fires?
The media would like us to think the bubble has burst. Annual EV sales continue to grow in the global market. If the bubble had burst we would see a rapid drop in sales. While BEV and Hybrid sales are up ICE sales continue to fall. They want you to think that a decrease in acceleration of BEV sales is a reduction in sales. It is not.
Whatever happened, this is a really dangerous situation. I can't imagine firefighters being able to handle a big parking lot full of hundreds of EV's if we are all going to drive these and just one is faulty.
Was watching a video elsewhere and the difference in the amount of water needed to extinguish an ICE fire and the amount needed for an EV fire was eye-opening. Multiple times the amount for an EV.
@@StonersRadio Yes but they also burn a lot less often than ICE and especially hybrids. The numbers for this are everywhere. Having said that we need continued battery improvement.
It's pure drinking water, save the planet remember, these EVs are "green" and "zero emissions", and "environmentally friendly" so there is no danger to health. Yeah, that's it. 😂
@@sirifail4499 What happens when there are no storm drains and you live on a dirt road? Our home's well is 20' from a natural streambed/wetland. We are downstream and downhill from an event center parking lot. Should we be concerned?
I worry that insurance fraud will be common with EVs as batteries age. When the cost of replacement for a defective battery is greater than the resale value of the vehicle, owners may look for help from Mr Match.
their is going to be thousands of teslas junked out when that battery is dead , people would rather put $18,000 into a shinny new car , not a 10 year old car to make it roll,
Nice try but who it will be is the REPUBLICAN (you) insurance company owners and operators so they can skyrocket the cost of premiums and get rich at the same time as they try to discredit EVs. Which now new ones have sodium batteries that don't burn in case you had half a brain and could read.
@@jb5music I'm not a Republican, I'm not anti-EV. I also see climate change as an existential crisis for humanity. I am however anti-foil hat. So, please remove yours when you speak to me.
The high cost of EV insurance is being reflected in higher insurance rates for all of us. In addition, to people buying fancier cars (more expensive, costlier to repair and replace) and all you suburbanites driving F150 to buy groceries and haul one pair of skis. Big cars cause more damage in accidents. I think EV is not going to catch on. I think the world will settle on hybrid. There are better and higher return uses for oil than driving and EV batteries are still imperfect.
@@StacheDTraining I would expect there is a burden of proof to positively prove that it is arson in order to criminally charge a culprit, rather than to prove it isn't arson just by ruling out all known causes of fires. There could be causes of accidental fires we don't know about yet, so an undetermined cause of a fire should ultimately mean we give the benefit of the doubt.
@@tonysheerness2427 yea I'm not so sure what to think. They caught someone catching these on fire = arson. So they must have vid of someone but what were they doing? If they actually set fire to it then I think it would be obvious and not suspected arson? But maybe all cctv has is someone tinkering with car which I wonder how that is arson vs sabotage 🤔 Going to follow this one. Especially if it's and insurance scheme
But statistics clearly say ICE vehicles catch fire at 3 times the rate of an ev ? so what are you saying ? Norwegian studies say ev have 20 times less chance of catching fire than ice .
I am very skeptic about this case being arson. When that Tesla dealership burnt down in France last year they also blamed it on arson, but no video survilance was ever realeased. I think it's hard to believe that was the case since Teslas are 24/7 recording everything around them. I don't have any evidence to prove it, but the lack of footage in that case really makes me think it was a spontaneos combustion, and the company just wanted to swipe it under the rug. I think this is just another case.
2:27 ... Hidden by the tree canopy but shown in other video is a very prominently placed security camera on the corner of the building right there at the location of the fire, and appears undamaged by the fire. Not sure how any arsonists could have escaped detection by that camera. Also not holding my breath for release of that video.
Well we had the case where the arson set the front of the car on fire and the police claimed it was a battery fire. Sentry mode footage proved it was arson. If the battery does burn I expect it will take all the video evidence with it.
Not long ago I was indifferent to EVs, I didn't want one but didn't much care otherwise. But now I look for parking spaces that don't have an EV next to me, or even in my vicinity, and my "who cares" attitude has changed to "don't want them around, wouldn't buy one if you paid me, and anyone who wants one needs his head read!"
It was arson. By the designers, engineers, and regulators who all know, deep in their hearts, that this technology is too deadly to sell to the unsuspecting public.
Besides the danger of driving something that could virtually explode under you at any moment, it's the constant fear of running out of charge that puts me off. That would turn a pleasant trip into a nightmare, especially if you have young children along. Night is falling, you're in unfamiliar surroundings, and your car is running out of charge... no thank you!
Yes, all those EV issues like: - Replacing exhaust pipes and manifolds - Oil leaks - Drive belt\chain failures - engine retiming - fuel injection faults - carbon monoxide poisoning - spark plug replacement - costly catalytic convert replacement - clutch and gearbox repairs - 30 times more likely to catch fire - etc. etc. OOPS, those are petrol car issues LOL
The Tesla next to them that didn't get burned will have a sentry mode recording of anyone approaching those vehicles, which will be released immediately to the press. Unless it never happened...
re: "which will be released immediately to the press. Unless it never happened..." bingo, normally a clip from the surveillance video would already be on a loop and placed in the 24 news cycle. if there were an arsonist, Elon would be "bending over backwards" right now on Twitter (like we see him doing with his numerous conspiracy theories) to disseminate said video to the masses. yeah, his EGO would be quick to want to "paint a picture" that Teslas are GOOD and all of the people who oppose his lies, rhetoric, and propaganda are the ones that are BAD.
EV owners will say arson, even before seeing the video. But people with some common sense will at least consider it wasn't arson, but they will probably never release the video if it was the EVs that caught on fire, to make EVs look good and safe. This does tell you one thing though, don't park close to any EV, or your car might go up in flames too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
There is so little left after a Tesla has been on fire. Either they are made from plastic and/or composite materials, or lithium ion battery fires burn hot enough to melt steel.
@@StacheDTraining no way of knowing for sure; but I imagine that it’s probably no more a concern than parking next to a traditional vehicle. I also want to tank you for your rational and informed analysis of incidents involving EV’s. Obviously, they are not going away, so we had better develop the tools and techniques to deal with them. I appreciate your channel very much. Thank you.
Q: Was it Arson? A: "survey says...!!! [*ding*] no" (best Richard Dawson/Family Feud voice) in the other news coverage videos (which is why it's always good to watch as many videos as possible) what you can clearly see sitting up on that front corner of the building just ABOVE where the group of 3 Firefighters are manning a hose there is a large surveillance camera housing... so as many commented in the other videos if it was indeed Arson (like with other crimes) in addition to video of the burned cars, they would be showing us spliced in images from the surveillance cam so as to help with identifying and catching the perpetrator. of course those who are astute and have been tracking these events, know this is NOT remotely the first fire at a Tesla dealership, no, there was the large multi-car fire in Ft. Lauderdale, the large multi-car fire in Germany, etc... iirc in some of these other fires they've "floated out" the story idea of Arson as well, meanwhile an arrest has been made in what just occurred in Cali with the ginormous Park Fire. apparently the Wildfire Arsonists the Police can catch, but these Tesla Arsonists seem to be "wily and elusive".
Any other type of vehicle? 80% it's arson. EV's? 80% chance it's just the lithium battery. EV's are ticking time bombs with a hair trigger. It's a service center so there's a damaged EV around every corner. I'm just surprised it doesn't happen more often here in the States.
Arson? Perhaps. Wishful thinking? Most definitely. Yes, that's right - I'm not an EVangelist and I don't care who knows it. Down with EVs. I loathe lithium battery technology. The 10" tablet I'm writing this on cost me £110 and used to have a lithium battery; it failed completely after just nine [9] months], so I took it out and converted the tablet to run off the mains via a small 240V transformer. [I'm based in the UK.] The transformer cost me £6 and works perfectly. A replacement lithium battery would have cost £55, which is ludicrous. It used to be normal for electrical devices like radios and cassette players to run either on ordinary zinc-carbon or alkaline batteries or directly from the mains. Supposedly superior lithium tech won't allow that; when the battery dies, so does the device. I dislike EVs because they're overpriced, overcomplicated techie toys for rich people. I'm not a rich person. And no, I don't despise EVs because I'm jealous of their wealthy owners; I despise them because they're not fit for purpose, i.e. getting the impoverished motoring masses moving. EVs are not the answer to our transport and pollution problems, and the sooner the world's governments accept that, the better. In the meantime, let 'em all burn, I say. Your opinion may differ, but that's because it's wrong. [Just kidding. 🤭]
Excellent points! I would sure like to have a phone with replaceable batteries, like we all had once-upon-a-time, and I've still got some audio equipment that runs off ordinary AA batteries. Too many things these days need charging, but it's far easier to just carry extra batteries & replace them as needed. And cars are easily refueled by carrying a jerry can of petrol, but hauling along a diesel generator to recharge your EV isn't viable!
Indeed about those batteries. And id like to add a little smthing. Laptops used to have removable batteries. Slide a few latches n u can remove them. So even if the battery is horribly degraded, u can still plug in and use it. Its just not mobile or portable anymore. N if u were a cash strapped student, ur not gonna hunt down new batteries coz thats essentially a week’s food budget gone😅. In fact, the degraded battery would actly slow down the laptop since its now acting like a giant resistance to the laptop’s circuit board. Laptop nowadays… all the batteries are built in. Absolute pain. Also, gone are the days when u can buy a battery pack for ur phone n replace it urself. Now u need to send it to a technician. N before anyone calls me a luddite.. the laptop with the removable battery was decomissioned in 2014 coz it was just too underpowered. Owh its still around, still alive. And the phone im talking about is a sony ZR, decomissioned in 2016, also still around.
All explanations for the fire need to be considered, but it's not a simple question of "arson vs. battery". ICE cars can catch on fire too, but it's never because their fuel tank simply decided to ignite. It's often a wiring harness shorted out and got super hot next to something that can ignite, or power steering fluid leak dripping on something electrical, or any number of things. I strongly believe that a Tesla can catch on fire for reasons that are other than arson, and other than battery. Once on fire though, the Tesla would be more fun to watch (assuming you're outside of it). Once Teslas get a little older, and people discover they are under-water on their loans, it's possible there will be a few owner initiated arsons. However, a major cause of arson is car theft. People that steal cars for a joy ride have often been known to set them on fire afterwards. Over the years, I've had a few friends who have had cops "find" their car months after it was stolen, but absolutely nothing of any value remained. With modern cars, car theft will be a lot less common, and thus, arson due to car theft will be less common too. Also, who would steal a Tesla? That's not an insult to Tesla, but think about it. They'd go to charge it up and they need to use an App on their phone, and a payment method (credit card or bank account - that's personal identifying information and no car thieve would share that, if they're smart (or unless they stole a credit card too))? Even if they charge it at home, there's a lot of computer messaging between car and charger, so I would expect the cars location would be reported. Thus, car thieves will likely leave these cars alone.
I just think this just is a bad thing to happen more and more the battery car is good but soon they will not be permitted in mall's and parking garages because of high risk fire, people soon will slow down the buying of electric cars because of this risk if you put these vehicles in your garage the risk is on you .
I can bet that this was not arson. If they claim that, they need a proof to back their claims. No camera? no video evidence of people setting that on fire? Nah, It was the EV fault.
this is arson. So, it is fine. I don't mean that it is fine that someone set them on fire. It is fine in the sense that we know the cause and was not spontaneous unprovoked self immolation
Genuinely surprised a battery case managed to survive all that, at least for awhile. Would have assumed that much heat would have touched them off no problem, but guess not.
Is there an off-gas port built into Tesla's battery box? If so I think that a liquid nitrogen lance could be used to inject liquid nitrogen into the battery box. A bit like how big buildings have a dry riser connection for the fire brigade to connect to the building's sprinkler system.
thanks just looked it up. 👍 Audi E-Tron GT, Carmel Indiana (not to be confused with Carmel near the Monterey Peninsula California where they just had Car Week)
also look up here in the Northeast a report from CBS News Channel 2, the Tesla with 2 fatalities in White Plains NY that just crashed into a home and exploded. yes, the witnesses say it "exploded" this time around not just caught on fire (as we've seen likely due to some off-gassing and build up of H2 inside the cabin).
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Even professional firefighters face difficulties to extinguish fire in the EVs. Lithium batteries keep igniting until consuming everything.
About 100 years ago, the electric car was way more popular than they are today, and they failed then. It looks like we're heading into round 2!
I guess you’re a hydrogen fan boy?
its just how to make it safeer.. and cost effective in balance .. everything can be safe. even home gas pipe can be danger.
Whatever actually happened, they're going to say it's arson. Also I know of fifty Rivians that would like to speak to you.
People do seem to be torching BEVs.
@@danharold3087 where? I'm a firefighter in Michigan and haven't seen any arson on EV's? They always have thermal runaway while driving or charging. I guess they COULD be arson, but even the insurance investigators don't say arson, and they try to find any reason to not pay out.
@@Zbruh69 Forgot to answer where. The once case that sticks in my mind was in Portland (maybe). Some guy set fire to the front end of a Tesla. The firefighters wrote it off as a battery fire until the dude presented them with the video. But think about this. Had the fire progress to where the USB drive was toasted it would have remained a battery fire.
Yes it is all anecdotal unless your the outfits that do the counting. But then nobody wants to believe them.
Have you been equipped and trained to fight BEV fires?
The ev bubble is bursting. Those that want them already have them.
The media would like us to think the bubble has burst.
Annual EV sales continue to grow in the global market.
If the bubble had burst we would see a rapid drop in sales.
While BEV and Hybrid sales are up ICE sales continue to fall.
They want you to think that a decrease in acceleration of BEV sales is a reduction in sales.
It is not.
@@danharold3087msm are pushing these ev's. Where have you been?
@@roddycreswell8613 It's a bot, why take it seriously?
Your read the MSM too much
@@edc1569😂 You don't know me at all.
Whatever happened, this is a really dangerous situation.
I can't imagine firefighters being able to handle a big parking lot full of hundreds of EV's if we are all going to drive these and just one is faulty.
Was watching a video elsewhere and the difference in the amount of water needed to extinguish an ICE fire and the amount needed for an EV fire was eye-opening. Multiple times the amount for an EV.
@@StonersRadio Yes but they also burn a lot less often than ICE and especially hybrids. The numbers for this are everywhere. Having said that we need continued battery improvement.
@@danharold3087
One EV can act as a lighter for many IC cars in the area. How does that make the numbers appear?
@@richardbinks7100 One ICE car also acts as a lighter in an area. and they happen more often.
Thank You! What happens to the toxic water runoff?
It's pure drinking water, save the planet remember, these EVs are "green" and "zero emissions", and "environmentally friendly" so there is no danger to health.
Yeah, that's it. 😂
Storm drains in that area go directly into the ocean. They actually paint blue dolphins on the drains to remind you.
@@sirifail4499 🤣
@@sirifail4499 What happens when there are no storm drains and you live on a dirt road? Our home's well is 20' from a natural streambed/wetland. We are downstream and downhill from an event center parking lot. Should we be concerned?
I worry that insurance fraud will be common with EVs as batteries age. When the cost of replacement for a defective battery is greater than the resale value of the vehicle, owners may look for help from Mr Match.
their is going to be thousands of teslas junked out when that battery is dead , people would rather put $18,000 into a shinny new car , not a 10 year old car to make it roll,
Nice try but who it will be is the REPUBLICAN (you) insurance company owners and operators so they can skyrocket the cost of premiums and get rich at the same time as they try to discredit EVs. Which now new ones have sodium batteries that don't burn in case you had half a brain and could read.
@@jb5music I'm not a Republican, I'm not anti-EV. I also see climate change as an existential crisis for humanity. I am however anti-foil hat. So, please remove yours when you speak to me.
The high cost of EV insurance is being reflected in higher insurance rates for all of us. In addition, to people buying fancier cars (more expensive, costlier to repair and replace) and all you suburbanites driving F150 to buy groceries and haul one pair of skis. Big cars cause more damage in accidents. I think EV is not going to catch on. I think the world will settle on hybrid. There are better and higher return uses for oil than driving and EV batteries are still imperfect.
@@jb5musicare those sodium batteries currently in production for BEVs in the US right now?
N im asking as non-american btw.
They don't have videos of the arson? None of the vehicles in the lot were set to sentry mode?
I'm guessing that's why it's being called an arson. Often they keep the video private until after the investigation.
It’s being investigated as an arson. I’m sure there is video.
@@StacheDTraining I would expect there is a burden of proof to positively prove that it is arson in order to criminally charge a culprit, rather than to prove it isn't arson just by ruling out all known causes of fires. There could be causes of accidental fires we don't know about yet, so an undetermined cause of a fire should ultimately mean we give the benefit of the doubt.
I’m curious what physical evidence could survive the fire and wasn’t washed away by the hose streams.
Unless it was glass bottle full of gas thrown at the cars, the glass should still be there any remnants of the gas would be washed away
Guess they're hoping to use cam footage
@@mobius4897 They rely too much on cctv
@@tonysheerness2427 yea I'm not so sure what to think. They caught someone catching these on fire = arson. So they must have vid of someone but what were they doing? If they actually set fire to it then I think it would be obvious and not suspected arson? But maybe all cctv has is someone tinkering with car which I wonder how that is arson vs sabotage 🤔 Going to follow this one. Especially if it's and insurance scheme
Look at the damage to inside parking garage from a single EV. Now imagine the future when there are 300 EVs in an indoor parking garage.
The Electric Viking is having a fun 🤣
@@irvinewayne4086 Is he still shilling for China ?
But statistics clearly say ICE vehicles catch fire at 3 times the rate of an ev ? so what are you saying ? Norwegian studies say ev have 20 times less chance of catching fire than ice .
China have begun to ban parking of evs on certain places, like underground parking lots
@@danharold3087 He will be banned underground, like EV's 😁
Thank you for the balanced, informative presentation.
I am very skeptic about this case being arson. When that Tesla dealership burnt down in France last year they also blamed it on arson, but no video survilance was ever realeased. I think it's hard to believe that was the case since Teslas are 24/7 recording everything around them. I don't have any evidence to prove it, but the lack of footage in that case really makes me think it was a spontaneos combustion, and the company just wanted to swipe it under the rug. I think this is just another case.
Great analysis, I smell BS about the arson claim as well.
Yep, Jewish lightning strikes again.
@@charlestoast4051 Who do you agree with your "Yep"?
Nobody says it's caused by Jewish lightning strike but you.
2:27 ... Hidden by the tree canopy but shown in other video is a very prominently placed security camera on the corner of the building right there at the location of the fire, and appears undamaged by the fire. Not sure how any arsonists could have escaped detection by that camera. Also not holding my breath for release of that video.
A complicated situation.
Teslas being Teslas.
They claim arson, no video footage. I will be very curious if they will ever show the non-AI-generated video/cctv recording of a arsonist.
Well we had the case where the arson set the front of the car on fire and the police claimed it was a battery fire.
Sentry mode footage proved it was arson.
If the battery does burn I expect it will take all the video evidence with it.
Not long ago I was indifferent to EVs, I didn't want one but didn't much care otherwise. But now I look for parking spaces that don't have an EV next to me, or even in my vicinity, and my "who cares" attitude has changed to "don't want them around, wouldn't buy one if you paid me, and anyone who wants one needs his head read!"
I don’t park next to EVs either…
It was arson. By the designers, engineers, and regulators who all know, deep in their hearts, that this technology is too deadly to sell to the unsuspecting public.
I just don't see EV's ever becoming the majority of auto sales. Just too many issues.
Besides the danger of driving something that could virtually explode under you at any moment, it's the constant fear of running out of charge that puts me off. That would turn a pleasant trip into a nightmare, especially if you have young children along. Night is falling, you're in unfamiliar surroundings, and your car is running out of charge... no thank you!
Yes, all those EV issues like:
- Replacing exhaust pipes and manifolds
- Oil leaks
- Drive belt\chain failures
- engine retiming
- fuel injection faults
- carbon monoxide poisoning
- spark plug replacement
- costly catalytic convert replacement
- clutch and gearbox repairs
- 30 times more likely to catch fire
- etc. etc.
OOPS, those are petrol car issues LOL
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@@johnpublicprofile6261 LOL, I've had my car for 19 years and haven't had a single one of those problems. In 2005, cars were built to last.
The Tesla next to them that didn't get burned will have a sentry mode recording of anyone approaching those vehicles, which will be released immediately to the press. Unless it never happened...
re: "which will be released immediately to the press. Unless it never happened..." bingo, normally a clip from the surveillance video would already be on a loop and placed in the 24 news cycle. if there were an arsonist, Elon would be "bending over backwards" right now on Twitter (like we see him doing with his numerous conspiracy theories) to disseminate said video to the masses. yeah, his EGO would be quick to want to "paint a picture" that Teslas are GOOD and all of the people who oppose his lies, rhetoric, and propaganda are the ones that are BAD.
Miramar, California? Don't you mean San Diego? Miramar is a community within the city of San Diego.
EV owners will say arson, even before seeing the video. But people with some common sense will at least consider it wasn't arson, but they will probably never release the video if it was the EVs that caught on fire, to make EVs look good and safe. This does tell you one thing though, don't park close to any EV, or your car might go up in flames too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Thanks!
Thanks for your support!
On the bright side, it appears that the majority of the plastic panels have already been consumed if a reignition occurs
A Tesla burning? I've never heard of that.
There is so little left after a Tesla has been on fire. Either they are made from plastic and/or composite materials, or lithium ion battery fires burn hot enough to melt steel.
This is great content . Thank you for your service 🇺🇸
How about not using water?
I have never seen an ICE car melt the steel body, if it was arson it was probably an inside job as EVs aren't selling.
Arson? Yeah, sure. Someone parked a row of Telsas - that qualifies as arson.
Would you recommend against ever parking next to an EV?
Only if it has a damaged battery.
@@StacheDTraining no way of knowing for sure; but I imagine that it’s probably no more a concern than parking next to a traditional vehicle.
I also want to tank you for your rational and informed analysis of incidents involving EV’s. Obviously, they are not going away, so we had better develop the tools and techniques to deal with them. I appreciate your channel very much. Thank you.
Q: Was it Arson? A: "survey says...!!! [*ding*] no" (best Richard Dawson/Family Feud voice) in the other news coverage videos (which is why it's always good to watch as many videos as possible) what you can clearly see sitting up on that front corner of the building just ABOVE where the group of 3 Firefighters are manning a hose there is a large surveillance camera housing...
so as many commented in the other videos if it was indeed Arson (like with other crimes) in addition to video of the burned cars, they would be showing us spliced in images from the surveillance cam so as to help with identifying and catching the perpetrator. of course those who are astute and have been tracking these events, know this is NOT remotely the first fire at a Tesla dealership, no, there was the large multi-car fire in Ft. Lauderdale, the large multi-car fire in Germany, etc...
iirc in some of these other fires they've "floated out" the story idea of Arson as well, meanwhile an arrest has been made in what just occurred in Cali with the ginormous Park Fire. apparently the Wildfire Arsonists the Police can catch, but these Tesla Arsonists seem to be "wily and elusive".
Arson....ok
😂😂😂 "...misconception that when an EV catches on fire it just spontaneously combusts! That's NOT necessarily Always the case!" 😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly 💯
Is it a criminal offence if the dealer claims arson, but the fire is due to bad electrical quality of products of the dealer?
When gasoline cars were invented was there the same sort of hysteria about them?
Any other type of vehicle? 80% it's arson. EV's? 80% chance it's just the lithium battery. EV's are ticking time bombs with a hair trigger. It's a service center so there's a damaged EV around every corner. I'm just surprised it doesn't happen more often here in the States.
Get real. People are setting fires to EVs.
@@danharold3087 Get realer, they don't !
If it was arson , probably a disgruntled ex employee !
Arson? Perhaps. Wishful thinking? Most definitely. Yes, that's right - I'm not an EVangelist and I don't care who knows it. Down with EVs.
I loathe lithium battery technology. The 10" tablet I'm writing this on cost me £110 and used to have a lithium battery; it failed completely after just nine [9] months], so I took it out and converted the tablet to run off the mains via a small 240V transformer. [I'm based in the UK.]
The transformer cost me £6 and works perfectly. A replacement lithium battery would have cost £55, which is ludicrous. It used to be normal for electrical devices like radios and cassette players to run either on ordinary zinc-carbon or alkaline batteries or directly from the mains. Supposedly superior lithium tech won't allow that; when the battery dies, so does the device.
I dislike EVs because they're overpriced, overcomplicated techie toys for rich people. I'm not a rich person. And no, I don't despise EVs because I'm jealous of their wealthy owners; I despise them because they're not fit for purpose, i.e. getting the impoverished motoring masses moving.
EVs are not the answer to our transport and pollution problems, and the sooner the world's governments accept that, the better. In the meantime, let 'em all burn, I say.
Your opinion may differ, but that's because it's wrong.
[Just kidding. 🤭]
Excellent points! I would sure like to have a phone with replaceable batteries, like we all had once-upon-a-time, and I've still got some audio equipment that runs off ordinary AA batteries. Too many things these days need charging, but it's far easier to just carry extra batteries & replace them as needed. And cars are easily refueled by carrying a jerry can of petrol, but hauling along a diesel generator to recharge your EV isn't viable!
Indeed about those batteries.
And id like to add a little smthing. Laptops used to have removable batteries. Slide a few latches n u can remove them. So even if the battery is horribly degraded, u can still plug in and use it. Its just not mobile or portable anymore.
N if u were a cash strapped student, ur not gonna hunt down new batteries coz thats essentially a week’s food budget gone😅. In fact, the degraded battery would actly slow down the laptop since its now acting like a giant resistance to the laptop’s circuit board.
Laptop nowadays… all the batteries are built in. Absolute pain. Also, gone are the days when u can buy a battery pack for ur phone n replace it urself. Now u need to send it to a technician.
N before anyone calls me a luddite.. the laptop with the removable battery was decomissioned in 2014 coz it was just too underpowered. Owh its still around, still alive. And the phone im talking about is a sony ZR, decomissioned in 2016, also still around.
Very well said.
All explanations for the fire need to be considered, but it's not a simple question of "arson vs. battery". ICE cars can catch on fire too, but it's never because their fuel tank simply decided to ignite. It's often a wiring harness shorted out and got super hot next to something that can ignite, or power steering fluid leak dripping on something electrical, or any number of things. I strongly believe that a Tesla can catch on fire for reasons that are other than arson, and other than battery. Once on fire though, the Tesla would be more fun to watch (assuming you're outside of it).
Once Teslas get a little older, and people discover they are under-water on their loans, it's possible there will be a few owner initiated arsons. However, a major cause of arson is car theft. People that steal cars for a joy ride have often been known to set them on fire afterwards. Over the years, I've had a few friends who have had cops "find" their car months after it was stolen, but absolutely nothing of any value remained. With modern cars, car theft will be a lot less common, and thus, arson due to car theft will be less common too.
Also, who would steal a Tesla? That's not an insult to Tesla, but think about it. They'd go to charge it up and they need to use an App on their phone, and a payment method (credit card or bank account - that's personal identifying information and no car thieve would share that, if they're smart (or unless they stole a credit card too))? Even if they charge it at home, there's a lot of computer messaging between car and charger, so I would expect the cars location would be reported. Thus, car thieves will likely leave these cars alone.
If someone drives a stolen Tesla, does that mean that it's called an Edison?
Your very own crematorium, no need for a funeral home if you get trapped in a electric vehicle and it catches fire,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Too dangerous, ban them!
I just think this just is a bad thing to happen more and more the battery car is good but soon they will not be permitted in mall's and parking garages because of high risk fire, people soon will slow down the buying of electric cars because of this risk if you put these vehicles in your garage the risk is on you .
Environmental.... Friendly....
So now they will blame these death traps exploding to arson? Really?
I can bet that this was not arson. If they claim that, they need a proof to back their claims. No camera? no video evidence of people setting that on fire?
Nah, It was the EV fault.
Somehow no video evidence despite Tesla's having 38 cameras and constantly recording, in a service center with security cameras... yeah arson sure.
I expect the video evidence existed for a short while prior to being consumed by the fire.
Of course it was the BEVs fault /s
Arson? Ya sure....LOL
this is arson. So, it is fine. I don't mean that it is fine that someone set them on fire. It is fine in the sense that we know the cause and was not spontaneous unprovoked self immolation
Where is the proof of that?
@@AndrewTSq self evident. cars don't catch on fire. People catch fire. boom. mike drop.
@@pokerchannel6991 but lithium batteries does selfignite, since they are unstable by nature.
Genuinely surprised a battery case managed to survive all that, at least for awhile. Would have assumed that much heat would have touched them off no problem, but guess not.
Oh did you forget…Jeep recalled thousands of Vehicles die to risk of fire 🤔😉. Vandals set a Tesla on fire…hum.
Definitely did not, one of the more spectacular failures. th-cam.com/video/aLtkTp4GVuE/w-d-xo.html
If Tesla EVs burn so often imagine how dangerous the Chines crap must be
BYD dealerships have suffered this supposed 'arson' issue. A few have gone up in smoke in China.
Vehicular suicide pact?
Is there an off-gas port built into Tesla's battery box? If so I think that a liquid nitrogen lance could be used to inject liquid nitrogen into the battery box. A bit like how big buildings have a dry riser connection for the fire brigade to connect to the building's sprinkler system.
I’ll believe it was arson when is see proof
No other product would be allowed. EVs, the law darts of the road. (Arson story is bullshit)
And Tesla EVs are supposedly the best😅😂
F&&& EVs
Well, someone could have been arson around...
They can't sell them, so it might be an inside job and insurance will pay for them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Fire on car lift.
U2oob: electric car fire Carmel dealership
thanks just looked it up. 👍 Audi E-Tron GT, Carmel Indiana (not to be confused with Carmel near the Monterey Peninsula California where they just had Car Week)
also look up here in the Northeast a report from CBS News Channel 2, the Tesla with 2 fatalities in White Plains NY that just crashed into a home and exploded. yes, the witnesses say it "exploded" this time around not just caught on fire (as we've seen likely due to some off-gassing and build up of H2 inside the cabin).