Soon, the Insurance company's team of lawyers will all be seated around the corporate conference table, sweating and ringing their hands while discussing every detailed aspect of the contract and why they shouldn't have to pay.
@lisashiela9137 they're going to have a hard time getting out if this one. If my personal tools, that are required by my work, are damaged while at work. That is definitely covered under the rider. And that's replacement cost not value.
Gotta save the planet.... by moving the emissions from your tailpipe to the coal fired generating station 20 miles away. Also useful for signaling your absolute virtue to everyone around.
I am a Audi certified tech. The training in 2019 announced the acid is now more dangerous than previous lithium. Recalls pay a set amount, and technicians are paid “flat rate” (commission) resulting in rushing. Managers do not see a correlation between damages caused by technicians, because there blinded by money. At a dealer those who are ‘beating the labor times” are rewarded, even if the cars come back, or catch fire. And Audi of USA has its hands tied as its the dealers who determine pay plans.
This sounds like the real cause of a fire like this. Plus the history of this car. Why leave it on the lift for the weekend while having problems with leakage into the battery...... really? 800 volt systems sounds like an improvement over using a 400 volt system because one can charge faster, it also seems to have some problems like we have seen with porsche too.
@@jamesofallthings3684 The way I see this is yes Audi pay fixed price to the dealer for the recall. But dealer pay hourly the staff. Then easy for dealer manager to to get more money in dealership say fix faster to get more money. Many way to do it. This said, I don't say it's what happened in this case. But what I think is since EV battery is critical parts, Audi (Group Volkswagen) look like failed with this parts since not the first time I see fire started by the E-Tron and I don't think they sold so many to have this ratio compared to others EV manufacturer.
You forget the conditionals he is stating. This car allready had a few well specified issues that are clear indications why not to park them inside. Still they placed it on the bridge for the weekend. That is close to intentional....
Our local Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and Ram dealership burned right to the ground from lithium batteries 2 years ago. Thankfully a large used car dealership went out of business across the street not long before the event so they moved in over there. But ever mechanic lost their tools and customers lost their vehicles. The new dealership is physically there now but crews are still working on finishing out the rough building. Lithium Ion battery packs are no joke
Lol that's why they made us vapes for humanity to throw out everywhere and anywhere watch in the future all these fires caused by these stupid "disposable" vapes with the batteries
About three months ago a factory in Maine burned to the ground over the weekend. The cause was listed as the Li-Ion tool batteries left charging over the weekend.
I have a house on a 1/3 acre lot, so not exactly small. My house is set back from the curb forty feet by the zoning code. To park an EV fifty feet from the house, gonna have to literally park in the middle of the street ;)
Lets all do that, or replace the whole battery with an engine from whatever vehicle you can find and leave the batteries at Davos as a special gift, lol
@@JaskanFactor I’m not afraid at all. Been driving my Tesla for quite a while. Remember not all EVs created equal just like other cars. Tesla is the master, rest are posers 🤣🤣🤣
Just waiting for the day that domestic/vehicle insurance companies add a caveat to their policies forbidding charging of an EV in a garage at a domestic property. With South Korea planning to forbid any EV with >90% charge from parking in underground car parks due to the fire risk ~ just how they’d enforce this is beyond me ~ I’m sure domestic insurance companies won’t be far behind, especially considering the great majority of ev claims are written off. I’m sure we’re already having our ICE vehicle insurance rates go up to help offset the EV losses to insurance companies.
And never ever will be. No matter how they sell the "idea" of it. Those people are just stupid in believing that they can do that. First of all, without CO2 there is no life. Pollution is bad. Sun and magnetic pole shifting are bad & it is causing the so called "climate change". Not the CO2!!!
I can see a lot of insurance companies refusing to insure shops that work on evs. I've already heard parking lots and garages that won't let evs park there.
The building next to my place of employment has parking levels on 4 above ground levels. The height bumper at the entrance flat states no EV cars. If it one of them were to ignite, the risk that a fire would spread to offices on upper floors is simply too great.
don't these EV batteries produce extremely poisonous flourine gases when they burn? They had a huge EV battery fire on Interstate 15 between Las Vegas and Los Angeles in July 2024. A semi-truck full of these batteries overturned in the middle of the desert during a heatwave. The hazmat issues was so serious they had to close the interstate both ways for 2 days. I think these things are going to need more serious regulation and engineering, to deal with these fires.
1:50 every one thought I am a snob for parking at the back of the parking lot. Running distance from every other car. They didnt know I am protecting them and their property😂
I like channels like yours because they/you present the facts in evidence, explain the meaning, and provide sensible advice about the challenges being faced. Broncolirio did it with the Orville dam catastrophe, and on aviation issues. You do a great job showing the actual danger these EV’s present, without disparaging them, though I wish we didn’t have the risks they present.
@@Mediiiicc No, I like channels that present quantifiable data, and factual information. I’ve had enough of the EVangelist zealots and economy crushing Government mandates.
Firemen who help fight the fires of EVs should go for medical check-ups after basking in the chemical fumes from an EV fire. And the extra equipmentand water needed to take out an EV fire must also be borne by EV manyfacturers too.
Google "fiery car crashes" and see how many hits you get. These are gas and diesel cars, should these manufacturers pay also. Do you know that million of gas and diesel cars have been recalled over the years due to fire risk, most of these with park outside orders because fire can occur even with the ignition off. EV fires are very rare. The National Transportation Safety Board reports that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold."
@@rex8255 They don't need oxygen because it's a runaway exothermic reaction, not a fire. The massive amount of heat released sets nearby things on fire. There's no way to stop the runaway reaction: they have to just let the stored energy completely discharge while enforcing a perimeter to make sure nothing is set on fire.
This is only going to become more common and frankly, service centers need to weigh the risk/benefits dealing with these cars. This shop's insurance is going to hit the roof and if they're smart, no longer allow electric cars on the property. It just isn't worth lives.
rent sheds on our property to a mechanic and panelbeater. they dont work on EVs. the odd customer (more of a friend?) that drops in parks his mobile incendiary well away from everything else... he knows... but he also cant get rid of it!
I have a buddy with an electric car that the A/C went out on. No shop would touch it. He had to go back to the dealer and pay $4000 to have the compressor changed out. The dealer knows no other shop will touch them so they jack up the repair costs. When my ICE vehicle needed a compressor, it was $350 for the compressor and $600 labor. All the money you saved in gas? You'll be spending it on repairs.
Did they say where it was? I kinda got the impression this is an Audi dealer. Partially cuz no one else will work on electrical problems on an electric car.
Ive said the same thing since the begining when we found out EV batteries were crazy dangerous. I said I was surprised insurance companies are insuring them at all with how dangerous they are and the potential for thermal runaway of the battery in an inconvenient place like inside of a parking garage or something.
The really scary parts are the fumes are straight up poison, the batteries don't have fires that 'run down' they just go and go and there is still a huge shock hazard. but those fumes can ruin lungs in seconds.
Smoke is killer number one in fires, not burns. 95% of comments here are like ICE cars never burn, they do and they burn down houses, garages and people inside.
@junior2991 California was supposed to be under water by 1980 according to "the experts". Every 10 years they come out with a new hoax to scare people, fear is the best form of control.
EVs are not about being environmentally friendly, just like power tools. You can hate them, but drive an EV and they are really pleasant to drive, at least a Tesla is.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s eVs were ALL about being environmentally friendly and energy efficient. what the current tech gives us is zero durability, sensitive to physical damage, temperature, and water ingress.
Owners as well as service centre supervisors when dealing with these EV’s need to think outside the box so to speak in what could go wrong and how to deal with it. As for the owner of this EV, problem solved as it’s now an insurance issue, too bad about all the damage caused to premises and associated vehicles, this is a very costly exercise indeed😬🇦🇺
What about the contamination of the whole building from toxic smoke. Who is responsible for the decontamination of the building, forklift, and decontamination of the fire fighters' gear?
I honestly hope electric drive (as in, electric motors turning the wheels) becomes the future, but Lithium batteries for energy storage are very volatile and their lifespan isn't quite good enough for cars (though the technology is rapidly improving.)
Nah, sometimes they self ignite just like that due to shorts, especially older ones. However, a single fire engine can take care of such fire, and they don't reignite afterwards.
In 2014, we had 16 diesel engine fires in our 150+ shops across the USA. In some occurrences, the truck was parked with no one working on it. The leading cause was the engine and cab's BMS electrical system. There was a recall by the OEM. I find it interesting that the power train batteries on this Audi do not appear to have gone into a thermal runaway. Was this a 12-volt BMS fire and/or a cab fire instead of a high-voltage powertrain fire? Typically, an electrical powertrain fire would have occurred in the middle and migrated to the rear motor assembly by following the wiring.
Possibly. Some EVs have a very small 12V battery (more like a sealed gel cell, similar to emergency lighting or UPS batteries) which might not have enough energy to get a fire this intense started. I know a lot of newer vehicles use a 48V system and if the battery is chunky enough and not fused, a short on a 48V system could probably easily get some plastic or fabric burning. If the EV happens to use a standard ICE 12V battery for accessories than yeah that could easily get steel red hot lol. My money is on the main HV battery though, particularly since it caught fire twice.
I'm a EV enthusiast too, and I just want my products to improve. The problem is the battery, mainly. Also there's EVs that don't use batteries nor tanks. I just hoping for a better chemistry. You can hate on my, I'm a regular here.
Currently, less than 1.5% of all cars in the US are BEVs. Imagine what will happen when 30% or 50% of all cars will be BEVs if the rate of BEV fires remains the same. Inevitably, there will be a much higher probability of spreading BEV fires to other vehicles and property because these 30-50% will have to be parked and charged somewhere
There luckily will never be that high a percentage of EVs. The infrastructure can’t handle it, nor is there sufficient lithium and cobalt to make that many batteries; more importantly the public is finally catching on to how stupid EV cars are, especially as we see them aging and the batteries failing more often. These fires are only going to increase in frequency as more EV’s start hitting that ten year old mark
@@williamnot8934 they said that there wasn’t enough lithium and cobalt to mine, and that the public is realizing that the ecological benefits are just a sales scam, about cars? That the engines would wear out in only ten years needing expensive replacements if they didn’t catch on fire? Huh people also lagged at X ever being as popular as Twitter and wow were they wrong too
@@williamnot8934 remember how they said the Flowbee would be the breakthrough in haircuts and that the future would replace all barbers? Totally eating those words now aren’t they! *continues to Flowbee cut my hair *
On a highway near Las Vegas a large semi caught fire and destroyed the pavement of the highway during the fire that burned for some time. It was loaded with lithium battery's and was in an accident.
The more I think about the risk of owning an EV the more I’m convinced it’s not worth the risk. Imagine parking your car and it self immolates taking out the cars next to yours. It doesn’t take much to exceed your policy limits.
We have about 5 years to phase out fossil fuels (to hold the line a 1.5C or 1/3 of an XKCD ice age unit). Sure, ICE vehicles can be switched to a carbon-neutral synfuel: but that will be incredibly expensive. For "low hanging fruit" like typical commutes: it is far cheaper to just electrify. Mass transit can even electrify without massive batteries: using overhead lines. That technology is so mature that it is considered old-fashioned!
Imagine parking your ICE vehicle in an airport car park and it self-immolates taking out.. the multistory car park and over 1400 vehicles. No EV required, as it turns out.
@@Monkeh616 most parking structures are designed with sprinkler systems that are designed to suppress ICE vehicle fires. Those sprinkler systems are ineffective against EV vehicle fires.
mmmmmm... electricity is more akin to "hydraulic fluid". something has to pump it around... energy. a convenient form of conveying "energy"... can open a book from 1930 and its very clearly explained... "batteries dont store electricity, they store energy"... i read a lot... something started to change around that era, the way certain things were explained... i hang onto all my OLD books as they seem to be so much better at conveying vital points... never had any lead acid battery spontaneously ignite... could get something ATTACHED to it blow up, but never the battery.... now we fill cars and building WALLS with them... ones made with highly reactive metals... with LOTS of "energy"... and rely on these little "black boxes" to keep them under control... "oh, but what about those tanks of liquid fuels?" um.... it actually requires EFFORT to light those liquids... and generally, theyre easily extinguished on the rare occasion they DO ignite...
Isn't this true for all form of energy storage? All fuel types are storage of chemical energy. Batteries are taking chemical energy and converting it to electricity. Battery is an engine by definition of engine.
I'm a Chrysler dealer tech and right now we just have hybrids but full electric is on its way. This was some eye opening info that no one at the dealership even thinks about
They do, but the seriousness of the fires are way lower. And they don't start burning again hours or days later after being put out. Hybrids actually have the most fires, because they have both systems that can catch fires in different ways.
This is a myth. At the 2022 World Battery Conference Professor Sun Jinhua stood up and said EVs have a 2.5 to 3 times higher chance of catching fire. This was not just what he was thinking, it was by the statistics from car fires. Since then I have seen statistics that say it's even worse than that.
@@my3dviews no, they don't. All the "studies" that claim they do are comparing ice vehicles of a much higher age and mileage to EVs around 1/3 to 1/4 the average age and literally 1/9 the average mileage. When you compare equal age vehicles, PHEV are the worst, followed by EV. Interestingly "mild" Hybrids were slightly lower risk compared with ICE, which is the opposite of what I expected but older "mild" Hybrids use Nimh batteries. Now that the newer ones are switching to lithium I think they'll become higher risk, but time will tell
I was trained as a mechanic in 1970. I received a scholarship to go to Pacific Technical Institute in San Jose, California, which was sponsored by a Lincoln-Mercury dealership in Concord, California, Jefferson Motors. I got married towards the end of the six-month course, and I went back to a job I had in retail. We were always taught never to leave a car on a lift overnight.
funny how it's opposite now. the higher ups at my dealership are convinced that having cars on our lift makes us more productive. seriously, we can get in trouble if we leave for the day with an empty bay.
@@fishybassvon5752 In today's world, safety is apparently only for pussies. The BP executive in charge of the corner-cutting at Deepwater Horizon (David Rainey) went on to have a lucrative career. Recently on LinkedIn he shamelessly commented, "I knew they would get there eventually - and I quote from my presentation to the 13th Annual Gulf of Mexico Deepwater Technical Symposium in 2009 ... "Our industry has a remarkable track record of pushing the limits of technology. Explorers have always gone beyond the limits ... and the engineers have always come after - and they have always delivered what seemed impossible at the moment of discovery".
@@22lrjayden81 It is true though. Its less of an issue on newer phones but always keeping the battery under 80% and not leaving it at 100% plugged in overnight will dramatically extend the service life of the battery.
Used to work at a car dealership as a valet, bringing cars down to the shop to get serviced and up from the shop that had finished getting serviced. Rarely, an EV would come into the shop. (The dealer didn't have a lot of EVs on the market.) One time, we had one come in for a battery replacement. The technician working on the EV was required to seal off the area around the car to prevent others from walking near or under it. That's because EV batteries can be toxic. (I don't know if the tech had to wear protective gear or not. I wasn't able to see him working on the car.)
First responders might consider the chains wrecker operators use fitted with the usual large J-hooks. Grade 80 chain is quite stout and ideal for dragging what does not roll. The chains are cheap and survive daily recovery use. They're also long enough to reach solid grab sites on suspension etc. I'm not a firefighter, I just crib ideas (including cribbing!) that work for my use. I suggest everyone who may respond to a vehicle fire do some light reading on how those are best "recovered". Large fire trucks don't need winches for that work, just connect the chain and drive away.
Another thing is in order to use them the vehicle can’t be stuck up on a lift that won’t move. So they will need service bays where the mechanic can be under ground level with the vehicle remaining on ground level - a much more complicated set up.
A famed Tesla Cybertruck died right in front of Radio City Music Hall last evening, in the middle of 6th Avenue. It sat there dark, and abandoned. Nobody paid any attention to it. The bike lane didn't even slow down. Didn't have time to wait to see the outcome.
@@MrMice... Not going to happen. Unlike the IPCC: the insurance industry uses pessimistic Climate change models to determine risk. Government scientists have been under-stating the risk for decades, so as not to appear alarmist.
What do you know, a working sprinkler system actually helps with saving structures and nearby vehicles from EV fire. Too bad the other vehicles were left with their windows open and are now flood-damaged instead.
they can't make batteries for small devices that manage to hold charge after 5 years and they want you to drive around on a giant one whilst vibrating the shit out of it.
@@alanc286 Do you charge and discharge that torch a significant amount on a daily basis? And when you do use it i doubt very much that the battery cell is having current pulled off it at the limit of it's C rate.
Even the Nissan Leaf batteries, notorious for not having active thermal management, typically last 10 years. Still waiting on after-market batteries to become available. Vehicle manufacturers want to sell you a new car instead of a new battery when it eventually fails.
To deal with electric vehicle fires, many fire departments have added heavy tow chains to their apparatus so that, when needed, the fire fighters become tow truck operators and pull the burning vehicle away from other combustibles to try and minimize other property damage and so they can finish extinguishing the EV fire outdoors.
There is clearly a need for purpose designed and built facilities specifically for EV maintenance and repair. Outdoors, segregated and confinable. Inside a single vehicle drydock that can be flooded from a cistern with the pull of a chain perhaps. The risk is clear and present. EVs are not so cheap to maintain if you need a special facility to perform routine work. Zoning rules should have these facilities off shore.... that would simplify fire management. Dump it!
To think we were thinking about getting an electric car a couple of months ago to replace our old car . Luckily we have the internet and started seeing all these fires 🔥 , after a couple weeks of viewing we decided no way . Staying with a petrol car probably for ever as we are both in our 60’s .
I wonder how much yard you are asking for if all electric vehicles need to be that distance from all other vehicles and buildings. Seeing the shops around me, they may only work on 1 or 2 vehicles at a time to meet this. Still, your mitigation ideas sound valid and could have radically limited the damage even if this one car was toasted.
If I were designing a new service center from scratch, I’d make dedicated EV service bays and storage areas that are firewalled from the rest of the service center.
@@ElMistroFeroz you do know video exists on this very app you are commenting on, many many many many many many videos exist of EV fires you know? Please learn how to use the search bar on the very video app you are commenting on...
Evs in service centres should have chains attached fore and aft..... before being left on lifts... or in service bays or over pits That way the vehicle does not have to be approached too closely to tow it out....
Bull shyt! Google "fiery car crash" and see how many hits you get. These are gas and diesel cars. Notice the number of people killed. The number of people that died in EV fires in the US last year was zero. The National Transportation Safety Board reports that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.
ICE vehicles catch fire so often that it no longer makes the news. Kind of like Americans visiting Canada are amazed that every murder is reported in the news.
@@paulhare662 Sprinkler systems are a good idea. They can save a lot of money when there is a fire, by saving the building from completely burning down. Which puts the shop out of business for months (or years) until it is rebuilt. I know of two repair shops in small towns near where I used to live that burned to the ground within a couple of years.
Just as a note. Statistically Tesla’s are less likely to catch fire than an ICE. It is a fractional fractional fractional percentage chance that this would happen to you. Now with other brands I don’t know.
If these kinds of things were happening to any ICE model it would be banned worldwide in a heartbeat. Unfortunately an EV can do no wrong, and no matter how often these NMC batteries keep self-combusting without any warning and often close to brand new, no one wants to admit there is a big problem with using this chemistry for vehicles. The life of a car is not that of a laptop. Heat, cold, fast charging; fast accelleration, potholes, collisions and other factors can affect one cell and start a fire that is hard if not impossible to fight. It's time to switch to LiFePO4 which is much less likely to self-combust, burns slower and much less toxic.
The probability of NMC batteries undergoing thermal runaway is already so low that it is pointless to lower it even further without reaching exactly zero and with large compromises. As you stated, LFP still has a chance of thermal runaway, so it still doesn't solve the problem. It makes practically no difference to society if there is only (for an illustrative example of scale) thousands of fires annually globally for NMC vs hundreds for LFP out of a global population of billions. Also, LFP has the major drawback of significantly lower energy density, which reduces energy efficiency and hence power plant emissions for a vehicle of the same distance range. Instead, you probably meant we should switch to LTO or solid-state batteries, which are thermally stable chemical compositions that have zero chance of thermal runaway even in principle. Just look at Battery University for more information.
@@00crashtest We are at thousands of annual NMC fires already and the installed base of EV's is not even at one percent of global vehicles. The odds of LFP setting fire to itself are much lower. There are some incidents, but those were mainly external factors. And maybe LFP is not the only solution. Na-Ion could be used in cold climates and there is a lot of research on other alternatives. But as far aa NMC goes, my mind is made up. Cobalt is not something to use at this scale and really endangers all of us if car manufacturers keep using it.
@@SolAce-nw2hf Yes, much lower, but not zero among the global population. You could argue that the problem could be considered solved if less than a single person in the globe experiences an LFP fire in a year, because exactly zero people would experience it in the long interval of some given years. However, the chance of LFP self-combusting isn't remotely that low. Furthermore, the rate of NMC fires is so low that it is already negligible for the average person, not even a rounding error to the third decimal place for the chance of a person experiencing one within their lifetime. The only reason why manufacturers are using LFO now is because it's cheaper due to not requiring precious metals such as cobalt. They touting the safety benefits (negligible in absolute amounts) just because they are advertising in order to get as positive as a public perception as possible. Switching from NMC to LFP is kind of like switching from high-altitude pressurized airliner to mid-altitude unpressurized airliner. Sure, the latter has a significantly lower risk compared to the former due to explosive decompression not being a problem even in principle with the latter. However, the risk with pressurized airliners is so low that it is not worth it to take the slower and more fuel-consuming plane. The unpressurized airliner still has overall risk of mechanical destruction to the passengers because there are other mechanical causes which are common to both, such as engine failure. On the other hand, switching from NMC to LTO or solid-state would be like managing to create an airliner than has exactly zero risk of mechanical damage to occupants. I totally agree that NMC is not the long-term future though. However, LFP is also just a temporary gimmick and not the long-term future.
@@00crashtest I went to the Battery University site (BU-212 page) and it said this about solid-state: "The solid-state battery shares similarity with lithium-metal and scientists are trying to overcome the problem of metallic filament (dendrite) formation even with dry polymer and ceramic separators. Additional challenges are poor conductivity at cool temperatures, difficulty to diagnose problems within the cell and low cycle count. Solid-state prototypes are said to only reach 100 cycles." "A renowned battery specialist says: “It is beyond my comprehension that a solid-state lithium battery can be made in a cost effective way to compete with Li-ion using liquid electrolyte in terms of cost per kWh, longevity and safety.” Solid-state batteries tend to have high internal impedance, have poor low-temperature performance and are subject to dendrite growth."
There are quite a number of ICE vehicles with known faults which cause them to catch fire - both in operation and not. You just never hear about them, because the risks of ICE vehicles are 'known' and not news worthy. Nobody's banning any of those.
That is why when you are driving any EV, not just Tesla, and want emergency service, good luck finding the shop willing to help you if you are nowhere near the EV dealerships..!
I've seen firsthand how hot and violent a lithium battery fire is, last summer while I was working alongside another electrician changing out some old high pressure sodium lamps to ballast bypass LED in the parking lot of an apartment complex, using a boom lift. In the process my DeWalt drill with a fully charged 20/60 volt 6Ah flexvolt battery slipped out of my hand striking the asphalt from about 25 feet in the air. The battery went into thermal runaway and burst into flames. My only recourse was to stand back and watch my $240 drill and $200 battery burn until all the fuel was consumed. When all was said and done, it set fire to the asphalt and burned all the way through to the soil, leaving about a foot and a half crater that had to be filled, all the copper & aluminum parts of the drill and battery were melted. I think I'll stick with my oldie but trusty 2013 Chevy Express 3500 with the 6.0L V8
@@nathanbaker6033 First, I would say that an EV bursting into flames is more than a "malfunction". Second, search the internet and you will find numerous examples around the world of EV battery caused fires. ICE fires almost exclusively happen after major accidents, but not spontaneously. If you like them, you're welcome to use an EV - it's a free country.
@@terry_willis The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) reported 23 fires in 611,000 EVs during 2022, or 0.004 per cent in a year, which makes it 20 times less likely to happen than ICE car fires, which burned 3,400 times in 4.4 million cars, or 0.08 per cent. Also a quick search showed that only 1 in 8 vehicle fires happen on the highway. So no, ICE fires aren't almost exclusively happening after major accidents. Electrical, mechanical, and engine overheating are all leading causes of fires and they are not always related to car accidents.
Servicing EVs should be done outside and far away next to a mini fire station and away from the main service center as not to interrupt the majority of cars that are ICE that need to use that facility.
@@ElMistroFeroz Due to the relentless hoarding and wastage of earth's resources by EV makers, there isn't enough insulation material to insulate any tinfoil hat that you need.
an ice vehicle caught fire, actually, exploded, when the gas tank was being removed, and a drop light ignited the highly flammable liquid. The tank was being removed as regular service when the electric fuel pump, which is one of the dozens of expensive parts prone to failure, quit in the middle of the road.
Imagine how many incidents like this there will be if the world goes full EVs over the next couple of decades. I wouldn't want one in an attached garage to my house.
How big of a property will an EV service shop need to keep 50ft spacing? I have to assume that most EV service issues are electrical related so pretty much every EV in for service will need that spacing. I’m not seeing it as practical even for 1 car to have 50ft buffer zone around it.
I have not been able to verify is it's true but a building surveyor told me a Porsche service centre (Melbourne Aus) was in the process of installing a dunk tank underneath a hoist specifically for EV servicing fire risk mitigation. Doesnt seem like a bad idea.
@@Eduardo_Espinoza Yes, they do still burn under water, but the fire is limited to within the container. There's still the problem of off-gassing & water contamination, but it's drastically reduced. I'm anti-EV, but at least someone is attempting to limit the on-site risks.
@@Eduardo_Espinoza Full immersion in water (or brine) is still the quickest option to cool the batteries to limit the spread of the thermal runaway and protect anything else in the vicinity from catching fire from it. A contained pool of contaminated water is also much easier to deal with post fire than thousands (or tens of thousands) of litres of run off.
Massive incompetence by the staff - who should know better than to leave such potentially dangerous vehicles inside (while unattended, on charge (?)) up on a service hoist in a closed for the weekend facility ?
If you are that worried about battery fires: you should advocate for mass transit. Mass transit can even electrify without massive batteries: using overhead lines. That technology is so mature that it is considered old-fashioned!
Sure subway in New York City are electrified and more people are being murdered on them because defund the police and let the convicted back on the streets . Street buses are safer ? no .
Not just the other cars in the shop. All the tools that may have been damaged as well.
That was an expensive fire.
Soon, the Insurance company's team of lawyers will all be seated around the corporate conference table, sweating and ringing their hands while discussing every detailed aspect of the contract and why they shouldn't have to pay.
@lisashiela9137 they're going to have a hard time getting out if this one. If my personal tools, that are required by my work, are damaged while at work. That is definitely covered under the rider. And that's replacement cost not value.
I can only imagine the fleet of Snap-on and Matco trucks heading their way when they get an insurance payout. It'll look like Gondor called for aid.🤣
Round here, tech tools aren't covered on shop's insurance. Techs have their own separate policy.
@@MrMice.... YEP .
I appreciate the view point of a First Responder, with regard to EV issues many people do not see.
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People don't see the problem because governments are suppressing the information.
@@donbenjamin1102 its all in the eV car manual as well. Mostly for liability protection of the car manufacturer.
3 recalls for the electrical system and people keep buying them?
You can't fix stupid, you just can't.
How are these vehicles allowed to be sold or even operated.
As W C Fields would say. There's a sucker born every minute ...
Gotta save the planet.... by moving the emissions from your tailpipe to the coal fired generating station 20 miles away. Also useful for signaling your absolute virtue to everyone around.
The bigger problem is, we are all paying for this!
I am a Audi certified tech. The training in 2019 announced the acid is now more dangerous than previous lithium. Recalls pay a set amount, and technicians are paid “flat rate” (commission) resulting in rushing. Managers do not see a correlation between damages caused by technicians, because there blinded by money. At a dealer those who are ‘beating the labor times” are rewarded, even if the cars come back, or catch fire. And Audi of USA has its hands tied as its the dealers who determine pay plans.
This sounds like the real cause of a fire like this. Plus the history of this car. Why leave it on the lift for the weekend while having problems with leakage into the battery...... really?
800 volt systems sounds like an improvement over using a 400 volt system because one can charge faster, it also seems to have some problems like we have seen with porsche too.
Audi pays warranty claims and they set labor times for recalls. They most definitely don't have their hands tied.
I think the insurance company will go out of business.....💥💣🚒
@@jamesofallthings3684 The way I see this is yes Audi pay fixed price to the dealer for the recall. But dealer pay hourly the staff. Then easy for dealer manager to to get more money in dealership say fix faster to get more money. Many way to do it. This said, I don't say it's what happened in this case. But what I think is since EV battery is critical parts, Audi (Group Volkswagen) look like failed with this parts since not the first time I see fire started by the E-Tron and I don't think they sold so many to have this ratio compared to others EV manufacturer.
Hah! ‘Do not park your vehicle indoors. Park your vehicle outdoors at least 50 feet away from any structure’! Good to know 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And don't park it anywhere near someone who was smart enough not to buy one.
@@graeme9679 More people die every year from the normal operation of ICE vehicles (about 5 million due to air pollution) than from EV fires.
You forget the conditionals he is stating. This car allready had a few well specified issues that are clear indications why not to park them inside. Still they placed it on the bridge for the weekend. That is close to intentional....
Some of us world rather die from normal car accident than from stupidity of ourselves that is buying exploding ev.
And leave the keys in it
Our local Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and Ram dealership burned right to the ground from lithium batteries 2 years ago. Thankfully a large used car dealership went out of business across the street not long before the event so they moved in over there. But ever mechanic lost their tools and customers lost their vehicles. The new dealership is physically there now but crews are still working on finishing out the rough building.
Lithium Ion battery packs are no joke
Where
Don't tell anyone. Our local police evidence building burnt down. It was an e-bike properly charging. All the evidence. All of it.
Lol that's why they made us vapes for humanity to throw out everywhere and anywhere watch in the future all these fires caused by these stupid "disposable" vapes with the batteries
About three months ago a factory in Maine burned to the ground over the weekend. The cause was listed as the Li-Ion tool batteries left charging over the weekend.
So if I ever buy one of these things I’ll have to park it 50 feet away from my house. I wonder how my neighbours will feel about that.
I ask my city if I could wire my charging station out by the driveway and they said, "Not no but hell no."
He meant it should be parked 50 feet away because it already had an electrical issue, which makes it way more at risk of a fire.
I have a house on a 1/3 acre lot, so not exactly small. My house is set back from the curb forty feet by the zoning code. To park an EV fifty feet from the house, gonna have to literally park in the middle of the street ;)
Yeah that advice is not practical at all.
Just storing it outside mitigates most of the risk.
The distance is due to the smoke.
The same way they feel about all other vehicles with a “do not park inside” recall feel
If youre too scared to drive your EV anymore due to fire risk, go park it at Davos Switzerland.
Lets all do that, or replace the whole battery with an engine from whatever vehicle you can find and leave the batteries at Davos as a special gift, lol
@@JaskanFactor I’m not afraid at all. Been driving my Tesla for quite a while. Remember not all EVs created equal just like other cars. Tesla is the master, rest are posers 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤
Davos only allows ice vehicles and eats range fed beef washed down with cognac.
@@bobbyr8071 master of snapping "truck" frames in half? Okay I guess
this channel is invaluable for documenting the various scenarios that firefighters have to deal with
It should be compulsory viewing by firemen and women world wide. The express nature of learning how to cope with these things.
Rivian plant in Normal, Illinois.
EVs are a great source of entertainment
Watching EV drivers run out of power and then having to use a GAS generator to "save" them is HILARIOUS !
@@darknes7800 Green hypocrites
Not for the emergency responders: maybe a learning experience.
Unless you’re a firefighter.
It also can perform firework show.
And I'm supposed to park that thing in my garage at home?? No thanks.
And city code won't allow my to install the charger in the driveway.
Park it near your neighbours house 😂
better yet, youre expected to make the WALLS out of them.
Don’t buy a Audi E-Tron.
Just waiting for the day that domestic/vehicle insurance companies add a caveat to their policies forbidding charging of an EV in a garage at a domestic property.
With South Korea planning to forbid any EV with >90% charge from parking in underground car parks due to the fire risk ~ just how they’d enforce this is beyond me ~ I’m sure domestic insurance companies won’t be far behind, especially considering the great majority of ev claims are written off. I’m sure we’re already having our ICE vehicle insurance rates go up to help offset the EV losses to insurance companies.
Heroic effort by the fire fighters. The statement that EV's are zero emissions is not true!!!
EVs are huge pollution makers, not zero emissions at all
Ahh but they now say “zero emissions at the tailpipe” 😂😂😂
@@philipbunker146 There is still Methane coming from the Fart-Knocker in the Drivers-Seat. lol
They are powered by coal power.
And never ever will be. No matter how they sell the "idea" of it. Those people are just stupid in believing that they can do that. First of all, without CO2 there is no life. Pollution is bad. Sun and magnetic pole shifting are bad & it is causing the so called "climate change". Not the CO2!!!
I can see a lot of insurance companies refusing to insure shops that work on evs. I've already heard parking lots and garages that won't let evs park there.
They better check their homeowners. Apartment dwellers are in for a hard time also.
The building next to my place of employment has parking levels on 4 above ground levels. The height bumper at the entrance flat states no EV cars.
If it one of them were to ignite, the risk that a fire would spread to offices on upper floors is simply too great.
Remediation of the shop, the tools, the other vehicles…that is a hazmat emergency clean up for anyone having to work in that building.
don't these EV batteries produce extremely poisonous flourine gases when they burn? They had a huge EV battery fire on Interstate 15 between Las Vegas and Los Angeles in July 2024. A semi-truck full of these batteries overturned in the middle of the desert during a heatwave. The hazmat issues was so serious they had to close the interstate both ways for 2 days.
I think these things are going to need more serious regulation and engineering, to deal with these fires.
has to be close to 2mill in damages lost time etc
Would love some proof of this please. I work in this shop
Insurance won't even insure EV repair facilities soon. I love it.
They sure will, for a nice premium 😅
Meanwhile it's all of us paying for those stupid cars
@@mikew951-s3s you should learn a bit more about how insurance works. Your rates don't go up because of other people.
1:50 every one thought I am a snob for parking at the back of the parking lot. Running distance from every other car. They didnt know I am protecting them and their property😂
The punchline: you own a gas car.
There's no smoke without fire. I suspect everyone is right.
Just tell them you arnt lazy and willing to walk.
😂
So you feel as though there is a risk of it catching fire but you still get in it and drive around?
I like channels like yours because they/you present the facts in evidence, explain the meaning, and provide sensible advice about the challenges being faced.
Broncolirio did it with the Orville dam catastrophe, and on aviation issues. You do a great job showing the actual danger these EV’s present, without disparaging them, though I wish we didn’t have the risks they present.
Thanks!
You like channels that say what you want to hear.
@@Mediiiicc No, I like channels that present quantifiable data, and factual information. I’ve had enough of the EVangelist zealots and economy crushing Government mandates.
EV manufacturers should pay fire departments for putting out EV fires!
do gas car manufacturers pay?
@@Poxeniumthey do if they have a faulty design that causes the fire.
Firemen who help fight the fires of EVs should go for medical check-ups after basking in the chemical fumes from an EV fire. And the extra equipmentand water needed to take out an EV fire must also be borne by EV manyfacturers too.
Of course dont 🤣
Google "fiery car crashes" and see how many hits you get. These are gas and diesel cars, should these manufacturers pay also. Do you know that million of gas and diesel cars have been recalled over the years due to fire risk, most of these with park outside orders because fire can occur even with the ignition off. EV fires are very rare. The National Transportation Safety Board reports that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold."
I think putting out EV fires could be like stopping a solid rocket motor.
Rockets that go nowhere
From things I've seen, it is, because the batteries at some point start producing their own oxygen.
@rex8255 and the lithium reacts with water.
@@rex8255 They don't need oxygen because it's a runaway exothermic reaction, not a fire. The massive amount of heat released sets nearby things on fire. There's no way to stop the runaway reaction: they have to just let the stored energy completely discharge while enforcing a perimeter to make sure nothing is set on fire.
Metal fires are the worst.
This is only going to become more common and frankly, service centers need to weigh the risk/benefits dealing with these cars. This shop's insurance is going to hit the roof and if they're smart, no longer allow electric cars on the property. It just isn't worth lives.
It's effective pop control
rent sheds on our property to a mechanic and panelbeater.
they dont work on EVs.
the odd customer (more of a friend?) that drops in parks his mobile incendiary well away from everything else... he knows... but he also cant get rid of it!
I have a buddy with an electric car that the A/C went out on. No shop would touch it. He had to go back to the dealer and pay $4000 to have the compressor changed out. The dealer knows no other shop will touch them so they jack up the repair costs. When my ICE vehicle needed a compressor, it was $350 for the compressor and $600 labor. All the money you saved in gas? You'll be spending it on repairs.
Did they say where it was? I kinda got the impression this is an Audi dealer. Partially cuz no one else will work on electrical problems on an electric car.
Ive said the same thing since the begining when we found out EV batteries were crazy dangerous. I said I was surprised insurance companies are insuring them at all with how dangerous they are and the potential for thermal runaway of the battery in an inconvenient place like inside of a parking garage or something.
Yet, more Lithium battery fires
Never park your EV with the wheels off, incase it catches fire and needs to be pushed to a swamp
This comment gave me a chuckle to start the day, Thank you.
😂😂😂😂😂
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@@WowRixter That won't even extinguish the fire
The really scary parts are the fumes are straight up poison, the batteries don't have fires that 'run down' they just go and go and there is still a huge shock hazard. but those fumes can ruin lungs in seconds.
Meanwhile gasoline fires smell like roses.
Smoke is killer number one in fires, not burns.
95% of comments here are like ICE cars never burn, they do and they burn down houses, garages and people inside.
Ah, but the wokesters consider human life to be insignificant; they're quite willing to kill every human on earth if it means "'saving' the planet".
Unlike normal fire fumes which one can breath and be fine right?
@@ElMistroFeroz gas engine fires don't give you cobalt and lithium gas poisoning. Those are life long destruction poisoning. Big difference.
SO environmentally friendly :)
No comments. Wonder Why?
People that can't predict the weather are telling us about climate.
A joke
@junior2991 California was supposed to be under water by 1980 according to "the experts".
Every 10 years they come out with a new hoax to scare people, fear is the best form of control.
EVs are not about being environmentally friendly, just like power tools. You can hate them, but drive an EV and they are really pleasant to drive, at least a Tesla is.
@@jasonz7788 😁
@@user-ln7of9gs4s eVs were ALL about being environmentally friendly and energy efficient. what the current tech gives us is zero durability, sensitive to physical damage, temperature, and water ingress.
Owners as well as service centre supervisors when dealing with these EV’s need to think outside the box so to speak in what could go wrong and how to deal with it. As for the owner of this EV, problem solved as it’s now an insurance issue, too bad about all the damage caused to premises and associated vehicles, this is a very costly exercise indeed😬🇦🇺
I wouldn’t be surprised if the owner of that now destroyed EV gets another EV as a replacement … it’s all about that virtue signaling …
Thank you. Keep the videos coming.
What about the contamination of the whole building from toxic smoke. Who is responsible for the decontamination of the building, forklift, and decontamination of the fire fighters' gear?
Ev's are not the future, they are a nightmare.
But the future is a nightmare so maybe they are.
🚗 🔥
false
Problem that doesn’t need a fix
I honestly hope electric drive (as in, electric motors turning the wheels) becomes the future, but Lithium batteries for energy storage are very volatile and their lifespan isn't quite good enough for cars (though the technology is rapidly improving.)
Our nightmare is over , .... We sold that junk ... back to Gas for us . Freedom again !!
ICE vehicle fires rarely occur when they’re sitting idle. It’s usually after a crash that ruptures the fuel tank.
Or arson, like in the Swedish statistics.
Nah, sometimes they self ignite just like that due to shorts, especially older ones. However, a single fire engine can take care of such fire, and they don't reignite afterwards.
Or when an ICE ignites next to one.
The most common cause for fires in ICE vehicles is actually an electrical short.
ICE fires from a fuel tank are extremely rare, happen mainly in Hollywood
In 2014, we had 16 diesel engine fires in our 150+ shops across the USA. In some occurrences, the truck was parked with no one working on it. The leading cause was the engine and cab's BMS electrical system. There was a recall by the OEM. I find it interesting that the power train batteries on this Audi do not appear to have gone into a thermal runaway. Was this a 12-volt BMS fire and/or a cab fire instead of a high-voltage powertrain fire? Typically, an electrical powertrain fire would have occurred in the middle and migrated to the rear motor assembly by following the wiring.
Possibly. Some EVs have a very small 12V battery (more like a sealed gel cell, similar to emergency lighting or UPS batteries) which might not have enough energy to get a fire this intense started. I know a lot of newer vehicles use a 48V system and if the battery is chunky enough and not fused, a short on a 48V system could probably easily get some plastic or fabric burning. If the EV happens to use a standard ICE 12V battery for accessories than yeah that could easily get steel red hot lol. My money is on the main HV battery though, particularly since it caught fire twice.
I LOVE your videos!!! I'm an EV enthusiast, my father was FF and taught LDH pumping for years. Your videos are very informative and unbiased.
EV enthusiast????? What IS that exactly?
You like vehicles that use batteries which are actually WORSE for the environment than ICE vehicles.
I'm a EV enthusiast too, and I just want my products to improve. The problem is the battery, mainly.
Also there's EVs that don't use batteries nor tanks.
I just hoping for a better chemistry.
You can hate on my, I'm a regular here.
And I can't edit my comment, fantastic.
@@Eduardo_Espinoza the only EV I know of that doesn't use a battery is a train. What EVs are you referring to please?
@@tomparker5000 trolley bus maybe?
Wow great report , probably will take a while to get dealer up and running again as well. Loss of mechanics pay.
Currently, less than 1.5% of all cars in the US are BEVs. Imagine what will happen when 30% or 50% of all cars will be BEVs if the rate of BEV fires remains the same. Inevitably, there will be a much higher probability of spreading BEV fires to other vehicles and property because these 30-50% will have to be parked and charged somewhere
BS. Where do you get your numbers.
There luckily will never be that high a percentage of EVs. The infrastructure can’t handle it, nor is there sufficient lithium and cobalt to make that many batteries; more importantly the public is finally catching on to how stupid EV cars are, especially as we see them aging and the batteries failing more often. These fires are only going to increase in frequency as more EV’s start hitting that ten year old mark
@@sageoz9886 That’s what they said about ICE cars when they started replacing Horses.
@@williamnot8934 they said that there wasn’t enough lithium and cobalt to mine, and that the public is realizing that the ecological benefits are just a sales scam, about cars? That the engines would wear out in only ten years needing expensive replacements if they didn’t catch on fire? Huh people also lagged at X ever being as popular as Twitter and wow were they wrong too
@@williamnot8934 remember how they said the Flowbee would be the breakthrough in haircuts and that the future would replace all barbers? Totally eating those words now aren’t they!
*continues to Flowbee cut my hair *
Well done video, and it's nice to hear the report from someone knowledgeable.
Thank you!
On a highway near Las Vegas a large semi caught fire and destroyed the pavement of the highway during the fire that burned for some time. It was loaded with lithium battery's and was in an accident.
The more I think about the risk of owning an EV the more I’m convinced it’s not worth the risk. Imagine parking your car and it self immolates taking out the cars next to yours. It doesn’t take much to exceed your policy limits.
We have about 5 years to phase out fossil fuels (to hold the line a 1.5C or 1/3 of an XKCD ice age unit). Sure, ICE vehicles can be switched to a carbon-neutral synfuel: but that will be incredibly expensive. For "low hanging fruit" like typical commutes: it is far cheaper to just electrify. Mass transit can even electrify without massive batteries: using overhead lines. That technology is so mature that it is considered old-fashioned!
@@jamesphillips2285 false alarm. What ever the US does will be undone by China and India.
@@jamesphillips2285 1 WEF credit has been added to your account, it expires in three days, we suggest you spend it on tasty bugs
Imagine parking your ICE vehicle in an airport car park and it self-immolates taking out.. the multistory car park and over 1400 vehicles. No EV required, as it turns out.
@@Monkeh616 most parking structures are designed with sprinkler systems that are designed to suppress ICE vehicle fires. Those sprinkler systems are ineffective against EV vehicle fires.
Certainly seems normal for them to burn twice.
The Audi ETRON … IS a hot car, but that’s ridiculous.
Great work by the crew!
This proves that electricity is nothing more than compressed smoke and fire.
mmmmmm... electricity is more akin to "hydraulic fluid". something has to pump it around... energy. a convenient form of conveying "energy"...
can open a book from 1930 and its very clearly explained... "batteries dont store electricity, they store energy"...
i read a lot... something started to change around that era, the way certain things were explained... i hang onto all my OLD books as they seem to be so much better at conveying vital points...
never had any lead acid battery spontaneously ignite... could get something ATTACHED to it blow up, but never the battery....
now we fill cars and building WALLS with them... ones made with highly reactive metals... with LOTS of "energy"... and rely on these little "black boxes" to keep them under control...
"oh, but what about those tanks of liquid fuels?"
um.... it actually requires EFFORT to light those liquids... and generally, theyre easily extinguished on the rare occasion they DO ignite...
so you're saying E=CS+F
Yes, if you 've ever let that magic smoke out of an electronic device, you know that device doesn't work anymore.
Isn't this true for all form of energy storage? All fuel types are storage of chemical energy. Batteries are taking chemical energy and converting it to electricity. Battery is an engine by definition of engine.
@@noblekitty yes, for exothermic chemical reactions. Mechanical energy storage, such as a spring, wouldn’t qualify.
I'm a Chrysler dealer tech and right now we just have hybrids but full electric is on its way. This was some eye opening info that no one at the dealership even thinks about
But "internal combustion catches fire far more often".... this comedy just keeps getting better....
They do, but the seriousness of the fires are way lower. And they don't start burning again hours or days later after being put out.
Hybrids actually have the most fires, because they have both systems that can catch fires in different ways.
This is a myth. At the 2022 World Battery Conference Professor Sun Jinhua stood up and said EVs have a 2.5 to 3 times higher chance of catching fire.
This was not just what he was thinking, it was by the statistics from car fires.
Since then I have seen statistics that say it's even worse than that.
@@my3dviews no, they don't. All the "studies" that claim they do are comparing ice vehicles of a much higher age and mileage to EVs around 1/3 to 1/4 the average age and literally 1/9 the average mileage. When you compare equal age vehicles, PHEV are the worst, followed by EV. Interestingly "mild" Hybrids were slightly lower risk compared with ICE, which is the opposite of what I expected but older "mild" Hybrids use Nimh batteries. Now that the newer ones are switching to lithium I think they'll become higher risk, but time will tell
@@RichWithTech like your analysis.
@@gx4548 thanks
I was trained as a mechanic in 1970. I received a scholarship to go to Pacific Technical Institute in San Jose, California, which was sponsored by a Lincoln-Mercury dealership in Concord, California, Jefferson Motors. I got married towards the end of the six-month course, and I went back to a job I had in retail. We were always taught never to leave a car on a lift overnight.
funny how it's opposite now. the higher ups at my dealership are convinced that having cars on our lift makes us more productive. seriously, we can get in trouble if we leave for the day with an empty bay.
1:40 wtf thats like them saying “Don't fuel your car passed 80% because it could blow up”.
Yeah, and you're supposed to keep your phone between 30% and 85%. Outside of that range the battery is taking damage.
How could they even roll that out for sale?! Let’s get the money first, we’ll do the research later
@@fishybassvon5752 In today's world, safety is apparently only for pussies. The BP executive in charge of the corner-cutting at Deepwater Horizon (David Rainey) went on to have a lucrative career. Recently on LinkedIn he shamelessly commented, "I knew they would get there eventually - and I quote from my presentation to the 13th Annual Gulf of Mexico Deepwater Technical Symposium in 2009 ... "Our industry has a remarkable track record of pushing the limits of technology. Explorers have always gone beyond the limits ... and the engineers have always come after - and they have always delivered what seemed impossible at the moment of discovery".
@@fredthomas4476yeah and you’re supposed to blink 19,000 times a day… cmon bro
@@22lrjayden81 It is true though. Its less of an issue on newer phones but always keeping the battery under 80% and not leaving it at 100% plugged in overnight will dramatically extend the service life of the battery.
Used to work at a car dealership as a valet, bringing cars down to the shop to get serviced and up from the shop that had finished getting serviced. Rarely, an EV would come into the shop. (The dealer didn't have a lot of EVs on the market.)
One time, we had one come in for a battery replacement. The technician working on the EV was required to seal off the area around the car to prevent others from walking near or under it. That's because EV batteries can be toxic. (I don't know if the tech had to wear protective gear or not. I wasn't able to see him working on the car.)
First responders might consider the chains wrecker operators use fitted with the usual large J-hooks. Grade 80 chain is quite stout and ideal for dragging what does not roll.
The chains are cheap and survive daily recovery use. They're also long enough to reach solid grab sites on suspension etc. I'm not a firefighter, I just crib ideas (including cribbing!) that
work for my use. I suggest everyone who may respond to a vehicle fire do some light reading on how those are best "recovered". Large fire trucks don't need winches for that work, just connect the chain and drive away.
Another thing is in order to use them the vehicle can’t be stuck up on a lift that won’t move. So they will need service bays where the mechanic can be under ground level with the vehicle remaining on ground level - a much more complicated set up.
"E.V." - Extremely Volatile.
A famed Tesla Cybertruck died right in front of Radio City Music Hall last evening, in the middle of 6th Avenue. It sat there dark, and abandoned. Nobody paid any attention to it. The bike lane didn't even slow down. Didn't have time to wait to see the outcome.
Great, thanks for telling us about a parked vehicle.
@@sdsmt99 It was an abandoned vehicle. 6th Ave at that location has 6 lanes. It was right in the middle.
@@sdsmt99 Got word that the vehicle was towed to an impound yard. Minimum cost $370 bucks. And it wasn't on a flat bed and not to gently either.
Expensive, dangerous, and driving up costs for everyone not driving an EV including insurance.
Experienced ev owner 🤣🤣🤣
It'll get interesting when insurance companys start refusing coverage
@@MrMice... Not going to happen. Unlike the IPCC: the insurance industry uses pessimistic Climate change models to determine risk.
Government scientists have been under-stating the risk for decades, so as not to appear alarmist.
@@MrMice... In some states people already can't find Cybertruck insurance.
What do you know, a working sprinkler system actually helps with saving structures and nearby vehicles from EV fire. Too bad the other vehicles were left with their windows open and are now flood-damaged instead.
Good EV’s catch fire less often than combustion engines, that’s a fact. The problem is, if they do ignite, it’s a lot harder to put out.
😂😂😂😂 you're funny.
@@uslanja And hes right😂
ICE's catch on fire more often
@@jtpjtg9189 because there's more on the road. wow lol
@@Mike__P Oh don't worry, I took the ratios into account. ICE's are 80 times morely likely to catch on fire than EV's per 100k vehicles.
@@jtpjtg9189 I know right. It's amazing what you can do with 264 billion dollars.
To say that EV fires present unique challenges is something of an understatement.
they can't make batteries for small devices that manage to hold charge after 5 years and they want you to drive around on a giant one whilst vibrating the shit out of it.
What rubbish. I have a Nighthawk rechargeable torch which I purchased in 2010 and it still works perfectly.
@@alanc286 Do you charge and discharge that torch a significant amount on a daily basis? And when you do use it i doubt very much that the battery cell is having current pulled off it at the limit of it's C rate.
Even the Nissan Leaf batteries, notorious for not having active thermal management, typically last 10 years.
Still waiting on after-market batteries to become available.
Vehicle manufacturers want to sell you a new car instead of a new battery when it eventually fails.
To deal with electric vehicle fires, many fire departments have added heavy tow chains to their apparatus so that, when needed, the fire fighters become tow truck operators and pull the burning vehicle away from other combustibles to try and minimize other property damage and so they can finish extinguishing the EV fire outdoors.
Well done
Don't POKE THE BATTERY.
Many shops damage the battery pack by improper lifting of the electric vehicles. Saw a TH-cam video on this.
You gotta love these beta testers. Really helps us normal folks avoid these death traps, just like Aids, Herpes and VD.
I just bought my X-wife a fairly good used E-Tron. No recalls have been preformed.
lol Great strategy. Good hedge bet on early alimony cessation.
After the fire in Rivian engulfing tens of other EVs, I had better be more suspectful of EVs 'with a critical battery issue' parked next to mine, LOL.
Thanks for all the clear explanation and advice.
Great Video!
Thanks for the visit
Stache dude has one really bright tooth I cant stop staring at
Good analysis.
You said it best. “This isn’t the normal thing that we deal with.” Precisely.
There is clearly a need for purpose designed and built facilities specifically for EV maintenance and repair.
Outdoors, segregated and confinable. Inside a single vehicle drydock that can be flooded from a cistern with the pull of a chain perhaps.
The risk is clear and present. EVs are not so cheap to maintain if you need a special facility to perform routine work.
Zoning rules should have these facilities off shore.... that would simplify fire management. Dump it!
To think we were thinking about getting an electric car a couple of months ago to replace our old car . Luckily we have the internet and started seeing all these fires 🔥 , after a couple weeks of viewing we decided no way . Staying with a petrol car probably for ever as we are both in our 60’s .
I wonder how much yard you are asking for if all electric vehicles need to be that distance from all other vehicles and buildings. Seeing the shops around me, they may only work on 1 or 2 vehicles at a time to meet this. Still, your mitigation ideas sound valid and could have radically limited the damage even if this one car was toasted.
If I were designing a new service center from scratch, I’d make dedicated EV service bays and storage areas that are firewalled from the rest of the service center.
I hope those firefighters are ok. Not fun
Sounds practical and environmentally friendly
CHEERS from AUSTRALIA
This car was quite new, I am worried if these cars getting in age and electric cable and plugs and all these things are not in good shape anymore.
They won't last 5 years, 10 at most, especially when the 25k plus battery bank eventually goes and needs replacing and the value of the car goes to 0
Why can't humans learn that EV's DO NOT belong inside of any structure ever, period? How many parking structures and roro ships have we lost already?
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Probably because the fires aren’t as common as the internet tells you.
@@ElMistroFeroz.. in NYC people have lost their lives. it's common for E Bikes
@@ElMistroFeroz stop getting your education from memes and learn from real news channels.
@@ElMistroFeroz you do know video exists on this very app you are commenting on, many many many many many many videos exist of EV fires you know? Please learn how to use the search bar on the very video app you are commenting on...
Smokey The Bear says, "Only YOU can prevent EV fires." BOOM!
The future looks bright.
Excellent straightforward presentation!😊 just another wrench in the works! What next?
Evs in service centres should have chains attached fore and aft.....
before being left on lifts...
or in service bays
or over pits
That way the vehicle does not have to be approached too closely to tow it out....
You know what happens when a gas or diesel car has an electrical problem? It just dosent run……. It dosent blow up usually
So you want to buy one of the new electric car you don't need collision insurance you need fire insurance.
The battery management system is called the auxillary bay. It usually has pyro-fuses that blow if voltages run rampant through the system.
NEWS of EVs caught fire almost daily, and still see people buying EVs. good luck to them
Bull shyt! Google "fiery car crash" and see how many hits you get. These are gas and diesel cars. Notice the number of people killed. The number of people that died in EV fires in the US last year was zero. The National Transportation Safety Board reports that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.
ICE catches fire daily too
ICE vehicles catch fire so often that it no longer makes the news.
Kind of like Americans visiting Canada are amazed that every murder is reported in the news.
@@Mediiiicc yea, not as fierce as EVs
sprincler systems should be mandatory for all garages, not just srepair shops.
Would not do diddly squat but yeah, make stupid expensive things mandatory so repairs cost even more.
@@paulhare662 Sprinkler systems are a good idea. They can save a lot of money when there is a fire, by saving the building from completely burning down. Which puts the shop out of business for months (or years) until it is rebuilt. I know of two repair shops in small towns near where I used to live that burned to the ground within a couple of years.
Just as a note. Statistically Tesla’s are less likely to catch fire than an ICE. It is a fractional fractional fractional percentage chance that this would happen to you. Now with other brands I don’t know.
If these kinds of things were happening to any ICE model it would be banned worldwide in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately an EV can do no wrong, and no matter how often these NMC batteries keep self-combusting without any warning and often close to brand new, no one wants to admit there is a big problem with using this chemistry for vehicles.
The life of a car is not that of a laptop. Heat, cold, fast charging; fast accelleration, potholes, collisions and other factors can affect one cell and start a fire that is hard if not impossible to fight. It's time to switch to LiFePO4 which is much less likely to self-combust, burns slower and much less toxic.
The probability of NMC batteries undergoing thermal runaway is already so low that it is pointless to lower it even further without reaching exactly zero and with large compromises. As you stated, LFP still has a chance of thermal runaway, so it still doesn't solve the problem.
It makes practically no difference to society if there is only (for an illustrative example of scale) thousands of fires annually globally for NMC vs hundreds for LFP out of a global population of billions. Also, LFP has the major drawback of significantly lower energy density, which reduces energy efficiency and hence power plant emissions for a vehicle of the same distance range.
Instead, you probably meant we should switch to LTO or solid-state batteries, which are thermally stable chemical compositions that have zero chance of thermal runaway even in principle. Just look at Battery University for more information.
@@00crashtest We are at thousands of annual NMC fires already and the installed base of EV's is not even at one percent of global vehicles.
The odds of LFP setting fire to itself are much lower. There are some incidents, but those were mainly external factors. And maybe LFP is not the only solution. Na-Ion could be used in cold climates and there is a lot of research on other alternatives.
But as far aa NMC goes, my mind is made up. Cobalt is not something to use at this scale and really endangers all of us if car manufacturers keep using it.
@@SolAce-nw2hf Yes, much lower, but not zero among the global population. You could argue that the problem could be considered solved if less than a single person in the globe experiences an LFP fire in a year, because exactly zero people would experience it in the long interval of some given years. However, the chance of LFP self-combusting isn't remotely that low. Furthermore, the rate of NMC fires is so low that it is already negligible for the average person, not even a rounding error to the third decimal place for the chance of a person experiencing one within their lifetime. The only reason why manufacturers are using LFO now is because it's cheaper due to not requiring precious metals such as cobalt. They touting the safety benefits (negligible in absolute amounts) just because they are advertising in order to get as positive as a public perception as possible.
Switching from NMC to LFP is kind of like switching from high-altitude pressurized airliner to mid-altitude unpressurized airliner. Sure, the latter has a significantly lower risk compared to the former due to explosive decompression not being a problem even in principle with the latter. However, the risk with pressurized airliners is so low that it is not worth it to take the slower and more fuel-consuming plane. The unpressurized airliner still has overall risk of mechanical destruction to the passengers because there are other mechanical causes which are common to both, such as engine failure. On the other hand, switching from NMC to LTO or solid-state would be like managing to create an airliner than has exactly zero risk of mechanical damage to occupants.
I totally agree that NMC is not the long-term future though. However, LFP is also just a temporary gimmick and not the long-term future.
@@00crashtest I went to the Battery University site (BU-212 page) and it said this about solid-state: "The solid-state battery shares similarity with lithium-metal and scientists are trying to overcome the problem of metallic filament (dendrite) formation even with dry polymer and ceramic separators. Additional challenges are poor conductivity at cool temperatures, difficulty to diagnose problems within the cell and low cycle count. Solid-state prototypes are said to only reach 100 cycles."
"A renowned battery specialist says: “It is beyond my comprehension that a solid-state lithium battery can be made in a cost effective way to compete with Li-ion using liquid electrolyte in terms of cost per kWh, longevity and safety.” Solid-state batteries tend to have high internal impedance, have poor low-temperature performance and are subject to dendrite growth."
There are quite a number of ICE vehicles with known faults which cause them to catch fire - both in operation and not. You just never hear about them, because the risks of ICE vehicles are 'known' and not news worthy. Nobody's banning any of those.
That is why when you are driving any EV, not just Tesla, and want emergency service, good luck finding the shop willing to help you if you are nowhere near the EV dealerships..!
All of the concessions that have to be made to deal with an EV, even if it isn't ablaze at the moment, is beyond sustainable.
They're JUNK!
I've seen firsthand how hot and violent a lithium battery fire is, last summer while I was working alongside another electrician changing out some old high pressure sodium lamps to ballast bypass LED in the parking lot of an apartment complex, using a boom lift. In the process my DeWalt drill with a fully charged 20/60 volt 6Ah flexvolt battery slipped out of my hand striking the asphalt from about 25 feet in the air. The battery went into thermal runaway and burst into flames. My only recourse was to stand back and watch my $240 drill and $200 battery burn until all the fuel was consumed. When all was said and done, it set fire to the asphalt and burned all the way through to the soil, leaving about a foot and a half crater that had to be filled, all the copper & aluminum parts of the drill and battery were melted.
I think I'll stick with my oldie but trusty 2013 Chevy Express 3500 with the 6.0L V8
Contrary to popular propaganda, EV's are turning into a nightmare.
That's right.
VERY well said
Besides your feelings and a video of a malfunctioning car, what is your source?
@@nathanbaker6033 First, I would say that an EV bursting into flames is more than a "malfunction". Second, search the internet and you will find numerous examples around the world of EV battery caused fires. ICE fires almost exclusively happen after major accidents, but not spontaneously.
If you like them, you're welcome to use an EV - it's a free country.
@@terry_willis The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) reported 23 fires in 611,000 EVs during 2022, or 0.004 per cent in a year, which makes it 20 times less likely to happen than ICE car fires, which burned 3,400 times in 4.4 million cars, or 0.08 per cent.
Also a quick search showed that only 1 in 8 vehicle fires happen on the highway. So no, ICE fires aren't almost exclusively happening after major accidents. Electrical, mechanical, and engine overheating are all leading causes of fires and they are not always related to car accidents.
I've pushed trucks with no wheels on those exact dollys on rough concrete, and it's really easy, and I'm doing it by myself.
EV’s are job security for Firefighters and their fires are good for the environment. Let’s All Buy One.
There also was an electric audi fire here in the uk at one of the dealerships
There's your real global warming right there.
Servicing EVs should be done outside and far away next to a mini fire station and away from the main service center as not to interrupt the majority of cars that are ICE that need to use that facility.
You need to heavily insulate that tinfoil hat as well, to be safe.
@@ElMistroFeroz Due to the relentless hoarding and wastage of earth's resources by EV makers, there isn't enough insulation material to insulate any tinfoil hat that you need.
an ice vehicle caught fire, actually, exploded, when the gas tank was being removed, and a drop light ignited the highly flammable liquid. The tank was being removed as regular service when the electric fuel pump, which is one of the dozens of expensive parts prone to failure, quit in the middle of the road.
Imagine how many incidents like this there will be if the world goes full EVs over the next couple of decades.
I wouldn't want one in an attached garage to my house.
Won't happen. Trump will reverse all of this NONSENSE when he gets elected in a landslide.
Don't worry, that's not the plan. They're trying to ban gas cars and make EV's impossible to own for us common folk. It's all about control.
How big of a property will an EV service shop need to keep 50ft spacing? I have to assume that most EV service issues are electrical related so pretty much every EV in for service will need that spacing. I’m not seeing it as practical even for 1 car to have 50ft buffer zone around it.
I have not been able to verify is it's true but a building surveyor told me a Porsche service centre (Melbourne Aus) was in the process of installing a dunk tank underneath a hoist specifically for EV servicing fire risk mitigation. Doesnt seem like a bad idea.
They still burn under water.
So what liquid will they be using?
@@Eduardo_Espinoza Yes, they do still burn under water, but the fire is limited to within the container. There's still the problem of off-gassing & water contamination, but it's drastically reduced.
I'm anti-EV, but at least someone is attempting to limit the on-site risks.
@@Eduardo_Espinoza Full immersion in water (or brine) is still the quickest option to cool the batteries to limit the spread of the thermal runaway and protect anything else in the vicinity from catching fire from it. A contained pool of contaminated water is also much easier to deal with post fire than thousands (or tens of thousands) of litres of run off.
Yep, it’s true - I know of one installed in a service centre in Brisbane, required by Porsche head office.
@@CNile-se9xw I am pro-EV, and am glad that people are looking into this stuff.
Massive incompetence by the staff - who should know better than to leave such potentially dangerous vehicles inside (while unattended, on charge (?)) up on a service hoist in a closed for the weekend facility ?
Electric Viking , comment ? Transport Evolved , comment ?
If you are that worried about battery fires: you should advocate for mass transit.
Mass transit can even electrify without massive batteries: using overhead lines. That technology is so mature that it is considered old-fashioned!
Sure subway in New York City are electrified and more people are being murdered on them because defund the police and let the convicted back on the streets . Street buses are safer ? no .
We have 3 cars at home. None of them are EV or hybrid. 100% gasoline engine. I can feel "no worry" while asleep 😊