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The best feelings you have when you come back to India is you are not an immigrant any more. After coming back to lndia for good after 42 years in London, l can bet the quality of life l am getting here, l wouldn't get that anywhere in the world. Unfortunately, my dream has been shattered as my beloved husband passed away 2 years after coming back. Anybody wants to come back, must come back when the children are young. When In India you have to accept India as it is.
Thanks for sharing your journey. I am sorry for the loss. 42 Years is a long time. If you are open to share your story on podcast, pelase let me know . Would love to capture your story.
I returned to India from US 17 years ago. I have established myself in both countries. I took care of both my parents. My children can survive in both places. India is not a mistory for them. They like certain things in US and other things in India. They feel world is at their disposal and so am i .
I’m moving to India with my wife (originally from India) and my two kids. I’m London born and raised as are my kids. Started my move to India and so far so good but it will take time to settle fully and adjust. But I’m excited by it.
Yes, always looking for those stories too. People are not open to share on public platform. We have one episode on our channel with Deva. Check it out. I wouldn't say many but some % of people leave (mainly kids adjustment or career -generally)
Thank you for sharing Praveen. Thank you Desi Return for this series. Very relatable. Judgements from some is quite normal because they haven’t lived your experience Praveen.
Moving India for a salaried employee is very difficult in my opinion, especially for the ones over 20+ years experience. The experience of Praveen shared here as an entrepreneur is rare 1% club. Good luck you made it, enjoy life.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have seen families with kids in primary school have 15-20 years experience and moved to India continuing career ( FYI)
Many entrepreneurs also can't move. Example one my friend has restaurant, he can't move, one has franchise he also can't move. Infact, job move is getting easier because salaries in India have increased enough to lead a good life.
Once financially independent, it is really good idea to consider return back to India for children education/mindset/values. Moreover it will a great opportunity to take care parents and spending quality of life withthem. After the children's education, they can decide themselves where to settle, as they have UK passport they came and work in UK later based on their interest. Thank You For The Video.❤
What is so good about India? It is a herd society. Zero law and order, zero human value, zero value of skills and knowledge, just busy bowing and bending. Can't even get the trains to 160kmph consistently. India is a very decent tourist destination. Best or not.
Nice vlog very informative chat. Looks like people want to have kids but struggle to give them the time and be around for them. The UK or India try and be there for them and that's what kids long for your presence. Good luck on your move🎉🎉
Thank you for this channel. I wish every talented indian comes back to india, so that our country becomes so strong that it should hard for Americans to get visa for india. Fingers crossed, hopefully one day❤
This is exactly why I'm moving from Germany to India, even with a stable income and settled life with family. I've tried twice to live in Germany, but both attempts didn't work out. It feels like a case of FOMO from the other side.
You made right decision on time very best wishes for you i am living in UK from last 8 years before moving to UK i livedvin Italy 8 years but in UK i feel every day what life we are giving to our children this isn't what we want 😢
You don't have to go through the hassle of transferring your pensions. Let your pension go in your UK bank. I have a bank in HSBC, London branch and my pensions go in there. I transfer money to my Indian banks time to time. It makes life lot easier.
I am currently living in the UK, what I have realised here is that if one is very individualistic person; takes only their own responsibility, feels no obligation towards anyone else except the government! then the west is good for you. However, we Indians are brought up with very different set of values, which is embedded in family and community, making us communitarian person at the very metaphysical level. So in essence one is trading family and community for timely buses and trains in the west!
Whose parents? Wife's or husband ? It's not rosy for all . But I agree if everyone is respectful of eachother then living with parents or in laws is good...
@@TheJennibowden : Why unnecessarily complicate things…. most Bharatiya still like to stay and take blessing from presents, can never payback for their efforts…but is the right thing to do…. WEST follows 1 life 1 body concept…. So they cannot comprehend this !!! Forget it…
@@senturi9645 it's not complicating it. This is how in India we live with in law's. If we choose to go back, where do we live? With husbands parents or girls or separate? These are the real life questions. It's nice to romantize things...but in reality it's different. Also I am Indian.
@@senturi9645 also it's not right to generalize about west, there are people who don't live under the same roof as their parents but would be there for them.... During sickness and health....
Excellent, having exactly same situation. My problem is I delayed it, my daughter who is 15 now doesn't want to come to India. Living outside of India is useless. I did good investments in India, planning to returning to India for good as soon as my daughter in University. And I'm living in UK past 18 yrs. I feel it's a horrible place. Being working in financial sector I see thr is no life here.
UK Different perspective then mostly US, good learning insights we should keep teens busy outside else they stick to their iPads. Kudos to him for starting up business. But yeah people living abroad is not waste of life definitely far but still very close to family. Good one avinash 👌
Highly informative and valuable guidance. I have a question for Praveen. Which school in Bengaluru you decided on? Thank you both. Highly appreciate the time and effort.
Well done, fair play. My kids are 4 and a bit. Financial viability is the one which is making me think a lot otherwise all my heart and soul is in India. Thank you for your input. Also convincing wife is a big bit I have to worry. Absolutely agree with everything you said praveen
That's what people like living here India special Mumbai loves to live in Mumbai if you have a good business or good job. People enjoy more day to day life also weather.
Dilemmas.. people living in India want to go out, people living abroad returning to India. Choices, priorities make the difference. Every place in the world has pros & cons. If you’re here whilst thinking about making a decision, don’t get influenced trust your guts
It’s wrong to pin the decision to move back to India to parents. The real reason in most cases is people find it very cheap to send kids to private schools, join sports clubs etc, get help for household chores. All these things are absurdly costly here. Another thing is that these are all people who have acquired an American or British passport already. So it would definitely in their best interest to move back to India, and if things don’t work out, they can freely move back to these western countries.
Don’t agree on the school’s part..international schools are super duper expensive in india where as in US or UK they are free…I literally pay nothing here in US for my son..but in india any good international schools are cost anywhere from 3 to 5 lakhs oer year…agree on maids help other things
@@radhakrishna476 I said private schools. Almost all schools in the UK are council run and are free. But he is talking about private school which are insanely expensive, and getting even more expensive after recent plan of new labour government to levy VAT on them.
I mean it. 3-5 lakh is still cheap in comparison to average fees of private schools here. But anyways, if someone is offended by that, I had no such intentions.
Just to balance the other side of the opinion, some comments from an Indian in UK. Winter: Multisports are the basis for every sportsperson. The UK does completely different sports in winter and summer. My child is a cricketer, so he plays cricket in summer and hockey/rugby in winter, along with regular swimming and running. Juggling: Sports in the UK are community-driven. You, as a parent, should be equally committed. It's not like in India, where you just put your children in coaching classes. Productivity: Productivity is not equal to more hours. Europe, including the UK, is one of the best places for work-life balance. India has changed: maybe for 2 boys would you say the same for Girls!
The problem we were facing for two boys was that parents don't have the support at home to take them to all activities or sports they want to do/ pursue.
While I respect the gentleman’s decision to move back to India - his thoughts about the UK like children not developing any interpersonal skills are totally bonkers .. In India they will leave their children with domestic help so I am intrigued what skills will the children develop 🙄
I earned a lot of money in UK for 8 yrs and returned to India and would never go back there. Money is there, happiness is here. Life is sterile there, colourful here. Life is difficult there, so easy here. No comparison
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Three things all young Indians must emulate from west is Stop being loud in public, observe all civic laws like Stop throwing trash, stop spitting, honking & drive recklessly. That there are 1.5 billion who do all of above..
NRI's, please return to india the same way when you left for abroad. If you know what sacrifice means- it means you surrender everything including your foreign citizenship. Because anybody can return back, but sacrificing for your country only true fighters can do without any greed and personal benefit.
With respect to- you should add Selection Bias/Confirmation Bias in your channel name :) . You are mostly talking to the choir of people who either have moved to India or want to move to India.Most of the audience is pretty much the same - However that doesn’t mean it is not helping people so good job .
Sir i am Indian but my 7 yr daughter n my husband is British (indian origin) can i get indian passport for my daughter or i have to wait for 12 yr in india?
If you can please try to find a guest who will answer this question.. although I am not sure if it makes sense or if it’s too much to be asking someone.. for Indians who have moved back here permanently with US citizen kids , do they ever wonder what their kids are gonna do? How are they going to make a decision at mere 18yrs of age that which country they want to choose? Maturity doesn’t come by 18yrs when the kids have to make such an important decision.. moreover if the kids move to US for studies or job and they also feel confused there without their parents, can they choose to become Indian citizens again? I know with Oci they can stay for unlimited time in India but what if they want to change their citizenship from US to India? Is there a process for that? Would be helpful if you could shed some light on this.. Thank you 🙏
My kids are British and we moved back to India on OCI. I am from army background, while growing up, I moved at various places. Movement during the growing period provides exposure, understanding, and therefore maturity of making conscious decisions and flexible at any place which provides growth and strength. My kids spent significant amount of time in the UK and now they are in India, this will make them flexible to see the entire world as their playground. Imagine a frog growing up in one pond only, and the other who has grown up in multiple will provide them ability and maturity to make the right decision.
Everyone moves from country for better economic conditions. Usually we move when you are younger and the pay is relatively higher in the west. Then you earn more, but feel bitter that labour cost is less expensive in the east for the chores. East or West, if we do increase our income above middle class in that respective country then you can have pretty much the same life style with housekeep, cleaners, gardeners etc.. The aim should be to develop your income to afford that in any country.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Once you are above certain threshold from money perspective ( maslows heirarcy of needs), things change on what is more important too.
Not doing laundry, dishes and looking for servants??? Taking own children to their activities does need car and not your presence in UK. Thinking about old parents life but making them to take care of your own children and making them cook and pamper you. All life conveniences. Even after moving to India, parents live alone in their own home. Going to different cities... Running away from relatives. haha. So, in-laws too. Bengaloru has developed and good for opportunity and has life style comparatively. UK weather doesn't help during winter. Not able to adapt to cold. He wants to interact with kids - basically no control over kids. You don't want them to be independent. Authority over kids will be gone. When kids grown up, they don't want to come back. Then how they are happy living ik UK ? Doing UK business based in india and moving to india is not completely giving away UK. Having own business in India, can have indians working for UK production in lower wages paying in INR not in pounds. Sports opportunity for children - that too in best place in bengaluru. How many can afford such academies in India? Looking for schools and sports academy as good as UK. haha There are many academies in UK. But needs to be paid in pounds. Everything is based on self conveniences. How many indian families are able to send their children to such big academics in india or even a normal places? Moving home is not packing 💯, but to rent the home and still own it in UK. Rent paying the mortgage and still have UK addresses. Pensions - UK pensions. Citizenship ??? So totally its all about self convenience. Not able to adapt , live independently to take care .. needs other people eho can be servants doing chores. What if those servants life changes ? What if they get a opportunity to move out? BBC - anti india.. hahaha So make money in UK and live indian life. If wife not willing, then the reason is not fairing women. Multiply by two living in india with all UK standard life style. hahaha Finally when are you and family giving up UK citizenship?
@@manopriyaa I wonder if they find UK so bad then why don’t they want to give up their British passport and get an Indian one ! Then reality will hit hard !
I'm a British citizen, I'm not going to give up my British passport. What's wrong in returning? I pay taxes in both countries. Worked very hard past 23 years. Is it wrong to move back. Whatever he mentioned absolutely true.
@@sowmyapothuhi, it's nothing right or wrong about it for anybody else. It's all about your conveniences and advantages of owning it. Obviously having British citizenship has more values and advantage over Indian citizenship across the world. Otherwise why would anyone want to keep it. With British citizenship how many countries can you travel? Any disaster, you will be considered as British and will have the privilege to get treated as British by the British government. Getting pension in pounds or equivalent to pounds. Number of country you can travel as a British person with a British passport. In the future your generation can claim British citizenship benefits etc. So many high privileges you have with a British passport. Why would you give it away? haha
@@sowmyapothu Do you pay taxes in India..? As an OCI one does not pay taxes, unless the income is generated in Indian rupees. It would be an eye opener if you don’t mind elaborating..🙏🏽
The thing is NRI's must not compare developed country with india. The two are different. Its not necessary you have to live in a perfect city, the best school in india or perfect job. Even if the kids study in normal school get good grades, they can go abroad or good job. Gone are those days of the past where school mattered.
This guy owns a UK business baesd in India and enjoying living richer in india getting maids etc to do chores. What do we call this? How many indians can do this?
In summary, the family moved to India to take care of their aging family. They have property and maybe an ILR or British citizenship and will come back soon.
Can is ask the person why other nationalities ( like Europeans ) or Orientals don’t complain about not having support / help when they are away from their home countries .. is it that we as a race are to lazy to do housework and don’t feel that is a key part of life
I wouldn't call it complain. Someone growing up seeing that structure knows the possibilities of having someone helping with house work. In US, lots of people hire ppl for landscape etc., If money is not an issue, I would assume lot of people want to take support/help for chores (it's nothing to do being lazy but having flexiblity).
They do not complain because they never had this luxury.. People never complained of power cuts before invention of electricity. Plus their cooking is low effort cooking.
@@DesiReturn- I think it’s the mindset - many in India have never been asked to do DIY or house work ( again don’t want to generalise but that is a fact ) …
After listening to this guy I've understood that he failed to integrate. He is "desi" at heart, and he never settled down... I am in London and i never thought of going back to India.. i am successful here and life is good here. Of course life here is not for the lazy people. You have to do everything on your own, you have to be responsible not spoon fed... Just my experience..
There is no way to solve the followings in the UK or in west 1. Aging parents issues. 2. Taking two kids to high intensity sports and other activities. 3. Depressing weather. 4. Future growth prospects 5. Be more productive by hiring help.
@prtyag Solved all the mentioned points, except the last one. I have help coming in every week for house cleaning, they come as a team and clean up the whole house.
House cleaning was never a problem for us as well in UK, but other problems were a huge compromise on the quality of life. I have also realised people develop allergies in the UK weather.
@@prtyag We love this weather, it's like living in North east part of India. Air quality is better than any state in India. Medical services are free....
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Humans have moved across the globe from Africa. Home is where you are. The pasture is always greener on the other side. For each his own. You have to wash dishes and do laundry? Who else will wash and do laundry for you. Very clear you did not integrate into the life style of UK.
I lived 18years over there, when kids started going for Tennis, swimming, piano classes it became impossible. They way people buy clothes made by someone else, I would like to afford daily laundry, and other services at affordable prices and become more productive in trade which I am good at and kids can also do their activities.
Strange... People living in India are very very desperate to get even 1 year in a country like the USA,UK,Australia etc. , when we discuss plan, they literally beg not to come..major reasons are cities situation in just one Rain..traffic..heavy dust and pollution and huge population pose lot of challenges to someone who thinks emotionally and want ro return..on top of it corruption and heavy taxes government has imposed giving nothing back to people in terms of infrastructure is huge backlog..
You want to be in touch, but the expectations from your wife are too much, which makes life difficult for the woman if you are in a same city. Otherwise, definitely we want to meet them in all the occasions and invite them.
UK has declined economically so much that it is now a third world country. So, nothing wrong in moving from third world country to developing country. India has issues like cleanliness etc. but economically better than UK.
@@abikarthik2401 look all nationals are humans, that is not up for discussion! And most certainly it is not about jealousy, just the title is a tad misleading, returning to India with 100% option of going back to the UK, is not called returning to India, rather trying and testing it out. Keeping your options open is a good thing , but you have to say it too… trying out living in India and see how it works out… painting the west in a negative light is not very helpful… my 2 bits
@@5400zanskargreat discussion. I'm from the UK. I was born in London and I've lived in the UK for over 55 years. The UK is not what it used to be and is going downhill fast. I've seen the decline. The best time in the UK was 1990s and 2000s. Now with government mismanagement and too many muslim immigrants, increased crime etc the country is going downhill. Also unless you can afford a good private school or get admission to free grammar school then you are in trouble. The government run state schools are terrible, bad teaching and very bad discipline problems. The society is fractured and kids can get corrupted very easily. Also you have choose the area you live in very carefully especially if you have kids. Just a few things to consider
@@vibhac5403 I totally agree with you, especially after Brexit things are going downhill, however, India is not without huge hurdles, try getting admission in a “ good” school without donations and Vitamin C, there are many many challenges. It is a dog eat dog society. For 10 returning Indians , 50 are ready to go west. one has to weigh out what is better for oneself…trying out India for a few years is good for the kids, however long term or permanent I have my doubts.
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The best feelings you have when you come back to India is you are not an immigrant any more.
After coming back to lndia for good after 42 years in London, l can bet the quality of life l am getting here, l wouldn't get that anywhere in the world. Unfortunately, my dream has been shattered as my beloved husband passed away 2 years after coming back.
Anybody wants to come back, must come back when the children are young.
When In India you have to accept India as it is.
Thanks for sharing your journey. I am sorry for the loss. 42 Years is a long time. If you are open to share your story on podcast, pelase let me know . Would love to capture your story.
you can make some money in uk but no health due to lack of sunlight and your next generation identity will be lost
You could share your story, it would be a great eye opener from someone who has seen it all
That's true, I am experiencing that.
I returned to India from US 17 years ago. I have established myself in both countries. I took care of both my parents. My children can survive in both places. India is not a mistory for them. They like certain things in US and other things in India. They feel world is at their disposal and so am i .
Thats fantastic. Thanks for sharing that. Would you be open to ahare your story on the podcast?
You are so great , so great , sooooo great !😮 Well , the spelling is: mystery 🙏🙏💕
Super. This is the best solution.
you can make some money in uk but no health due to lack of sunlight and your next generation identity will be lost
How much Cr needed for a couple in 40s late 30s and a kid to move back and be FIRE ?
I’m moving to India with my wife (originally from India) and my two kids. I’m London born and raised as are my kids. Started my move to India and so far so good but it will take time to settle fully and adjust. But I’m excited by it.
Great. Thanks for sharing your Journey. All the best. Would you be open to share the story on our podcast?
Please share I'm UK born and my interest is piqued. I may consider Mauritius as my wife is from there
@@DesiReturn happy to discuss and share my story.
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There are many who have bounced back after returning to india, find them and do a podcast. Then you get real picture.
Yes, always looking for those stories too. People are not open to share on public platform. We have one episode on our channel with Deva. Check it out. I wouldn't say many but some % of people leave (mainly kids adjustment or career -generally)
Thank you for sharing Praveen. Thank you Desi Return for this series. Very relatable.
Judgements from some is quite normal because they haven’t lived your experience Praveen.
Thanks a lot! Glad you liked the content and relate to it. Very true about some people judgements.
Moving India for a salaried employee is very difficult in my opinion, especially for the ones over 20+ years experience. The experience of Praveen shared here as an entrepreneur is rare 1% club. Good luck you made it, enjoy life.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have seen families with kids in primary school have 15-20 years experience and moved to India continuing career ( FYI)
Many entrepreneurs also can't move. Example one my friend has restaurant, he can't move, one has franchise he also can't move. Infact, job move is getting easier because salaries in India have increased enough to lead a good life.
Once financially independent, it is really good idea to consider return back to India for children education/mindset/values.
Moreover it will a great opportunity to take care parents and spending quality of life withthem.
After the children's education, they can decide themselves where to settle, as they have UK passport they came and work in UK later based on their interest.
Thank You For The Video.❤
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you can make some money in uk but no health due to lack of sunlight and your next generation identity will be lost
What is so good about India? It is a herd society. Zero law and order, zero human value, zero value of skills and knowledge, just busy bowing and bending. Can't even get the trains to 160kmph consistently. India is a very decent tourist destination. Best or not.
Nice vlog very informative chat. Looks like people want to have kids but struggle to give them the time and be around for them. The UK
or India try and be there for them and that's what kids long for your presence. Good luck on your move🎉🎉
Thank you!
After 2 years, I’m also planning to move back India 😊
Great! All the best with your plans.
Thanks ,for sharing i resonate process very well after spending 3 years in London.
Wonderful! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
So sadd no uk passport
Very good questions.. great insights..especially around parenting in india vs UK
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When your kid becomes big he will go again
So what's wrong with that. It's up to the kids like how people move around.
They will go and come back again 😂
Thank you for this channel. I wish every talented indian comes back to india, so that our country becomes so strong that it should hard for Americans to get visa for india. Fingers crossed, hopefully one day❤
Thanks a lot!
This is exactly why I'm moving from Germany to India, even with a stable income and settled life with family. I've tried twice to live in Germany, but both attempts didn't work out. It feels like a case of FOMO from the other side.
Thanks for sharing your experience. What didn't work for you in Germany? Would yo be open to share your journey on the podcast?
I moved back from Germany after living there for 4 years. I am loving it here.
You made right decision on time very best wishes for you i am living in UK from last 8 years before moving to UK i livedvin Italy 8 years but in UK i feel every day what life we are giving to our children this isn't what we want 😢
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
You don't have to go through the hassle of transferring your pensions. Let your pension go in your UK bank. I have a bank in HSBC, London branch and my pensions go in there. I transfer money to my Indian banks time to time. It makes life lot easier.
Thanks for sharing that.
I am currently living in the UK, what I have realised here is that if one is very individualistic person; takes only their own responsibility, feels no obligation towards anyone else except the government! then the west is good for you. However, we Indians are brought up with very different set of values, which is embedded in family and community, making us communitarian person at the very metaphysical level. So in essence one is trading family and community for timely buses and trains in the west!
Very true
Living out for 14 years, I am an advocate of adaptability and progressiveness. UK or Europe is best located to keep India as second home.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
100% agree, those who live with parents are really really lucky !!! ❤
Thanks
Whose parents? Wife's or husband ? It's not rosy for all . But I agree if everyone is respectful of eachother then living with parents or in laws is good...
@@TheJennibowden : Why unnecessarily complicate things…. most Bharatiya still like to stay and take blessing from presents, can never payback for their efforts…but is the right thing to do…. WEST follows 1 life 1 body concept…. So they cannot comprehend this !!! Forget it…
@@senturi9645 it's not complicating it. This is how in India we live with in law's. If we choose to go back, where do we live? With husbands parents or girls or separate? These are the real life questions. It's nice to romantize things...but in reality it's different. Also I am Indian.
@@senturi9645 also it's not right to generalize about west, there are people who don't live under the same roof as their parents but would be there for them.... During sickness and health....
Excellent, having exactly same situation. My problem is I delayed it, my daughter who is 15 now doesn't want to come to India. Living outside of India is useless. I did good investments in India, planning to returning to India for good as soon as my daughter in University. And I'm living in UK past 18 yrs. I feel it's a horrible place. Being working in financial sector I see thr is no life here.
Thanks for sharing your story and all the best with your return
Very true!
While we were planning to return to India after living in the UK for 16 years, one of our sons got diagnosed with ASD- almost stuck here now!
UK Different perspective then mostly US, good learning insights we should keep teens busy outside else they stick to their iPads.
Kudos to him for starting up business.
But yeah people living abroad is not waste of life definitely far but still very close to family.
Good one avinash 👌
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Highly informative and valuable guidance.
I have a question for Praveen. Which school in Bengaluru you decided on? Thank you both. Highly appreciate the time and effort.
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Thank you 😊 very much.
@prtyag best wishes for you from pakistan
Well done, fair play. My kids are 4 and a bit. Financial viability is the one which is making me think a lot otherwise all my heart and soul is in India. Thank you for your input. Also convincing wife is a big bit I have to worry. Absolutely agree with everything you said praveen
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Glad you liked the conversation.
That's what people like living here India special Mumbai loves to live in Mumbai if you have a good business or good job. People enjoy more day to day life also weather.
Sure. Thanks for watching
Dilemmas.. people living in India want to go out, people living abroad returning to India. Choices, priorities make the difference. Every place in the world has pros & cons. If you’re here whilst thinking about making a decision, don’t get influenced trust your guts
Each place has pros and cons. What one needs at given stage of life determines where they want to live.
Good video! Thanks.
Thanks a lot!!
Definately a good decision to return back to India😊
Thanks
It’s wrong to pin the decision to move back to India to parents. The real reason in most cases is people find it very cheap to send kids to private schools, join sports clubs etc, get help for household chores. All these things are absurdly costly here. Another thing is that these are all people who have acquired an American or British passport already. So it would definitely in their best interest to move back to India, and if things don’t work out, they can freely move back to these western countries.
Don’t agree on the school’s part..international schools are super duper expensive in india where as in US or UK they are free…I literally pay nothing here in US for my son..but in india any good international schools are cost anywhere from 3 to 5 lakhs oer year…agree on maids help other things
@@radhakrishna476 I said private schools. Almost all schools in the UK are council run and are free. But he is talking about private school which are insanely expensive, and getting even more expensive after recent plan of new labour government to levy VAT on them.
Cheap is the keyword
I mean it. 3-5 lakh is still cheap in comparison to average fees of private schools here. But anyways, if someone is offended by that, I had no such intentions.
For some people Parents are also very important factor.
I can so relate to this story 😊
Glad to hear that. Hope it helped.
Just to balance the other side of the opinion, some comments from an Indian in UK.
Winter: Multisports are the basis for every sportsperson. The UK does completely different sports in winter and summer. My child is a cricketer, so he plays cricket in summer and hockey/rugby in winter, along with regular swimming and running.
Juggling: Sports in the UK are community-driven. You, as a parent, should be equally committed. It's not like in India, where you just put your children in coaching classes.
Productivity: Productivity is not equal to more hours. Europe, including the UK, is one of the best places for work-life balance.
India has changed: maybe for 2 boys would you say the same for Girls!
Thanks for giving your perspective
The problem we were facing for two boys was that parents don't have the support at home to take them to all activities or sports they want to do/ pursue.
@@prtyag@prtyag Totally understand the pain; having a family is such a relief.
@@prtyagmai bhi asa hi face ker rahi hoon mery 4 kids hain sabko different activities k liye lay jana difficult task hota hay
While I respect the gentleman’s decision to move back to India - his thoughts about the UK like children not developing any interpersonal skills are totally bonkers .. In India they will leave their children with domestic help so I am intrigued what skills will the children develop 🙄
You have taken perfect decision
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I earned a lot of money in UK for 8 yrs and returned to India and would never go back there. Money is there, happiness is here. Life is sterile there, colourful here. Life is difficult there, so easy here. No comparison
Thanks for sharing your experience. Glad you are enjoying your life
Thanks so much for this video! Do you have examples of anyone moved to Kerala in the channel?
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Three things all young Indians must emulate from west is Stop being loud in public, observe all civic laws like Stop throwing trash, stop spitting, honking & drive recklessly. That there are 1.5 billion who do all of above..
Good points
I am also in same situation in uk , now I am planning to move as my son is 11 years old.
Good decision buddy. India is ❤ have no second thoughts
All the best with the move
I am a woman and i wanted to come back to India and my husband didnt want to....its different priorities i think
Everyone’s situation is different. We have simialar story with another family on our podcast.
great videos 😀
Thank you!!!
NRI's, please return to india the same way when you left for abroad.
If you know what sacrifice means- it means you surrender everything including your foreign citizenship. Because anybody can return back, but sacrificing for your country only true fighters can do without any greed and personal benefit.
Returning is not giving up American or UK citizenship. LOL
After driving a year Europe and then driving back in India makes me never was wants to go back to settle in India.. It's just one important reason..
If thats the main factor, there are options. At the end its your choice.
Jivantata = To feel alive
:)
Thanks!
Coming back to another city,somewhat away from extended family,is a personal choice.I prefer living close .
Yes, ofcourse that's a personal choice
With respect to- you should add Selection Bias/Confirmation Bias in your channel name :) . You are mostly talking to the choir of people who either have moved to India or want to move to India.Most of the audience is pretty much the same - However that doesn’t mean it is not helping people so good job .
Sir i am Indian but my 7 yr daughter n my husband is British (indian origin) can i get indian passport for my daughter or i have to wait for 12 yr in india?
Until your daughter turns 18, she cant make a choice to have indian passport.
If you can please try to find a guest who will answer this question.. although I am not sure if it makes sense or if it’s too much to be asking someone.. for Indians who have moved back here permanently with US citizen kids , do they ever wonder what their kids are gonna do? How are they going to make a decision at mere 18yrs of age that which country they want to choose? Maturity doesn’t come by 18yrs when the kids have to make such an important decision.. moreover if the kids move to US for studies or job and they also feel confused there without their parents, can they choose to become Indian citizens again? I know with Oci they can stay for unlimited time in India but what if they want to change their citizenship from US to India? Is there a process for that? Would be helpful if you could shed some light on this.. Thank you 🙏
Thanks for reaching out. We will look into it.
My kids are British and we moved back to India on OCI. I am from army background, while growing up, I moved at various places. Movement during the growing period provides exposure, understanding, and therefore maturity of making conscious decisions and flexible at any place which provides growth and strength.
My kids spent significant amount of time in the UK and now they are in India, this will make them flexible to see the entire world as their playground.
Imagine a frog growing up in one pond only, and the other who has grown up in multiple will provide them ability and maturity to make the right decision.
Everyone moves from country for better economic conditions. Usually we move when you are younger and the pay is relatively higher in the west. Then you earn more, but feel bitter that labour cost is less expensive in the east for the chores. East or West, if we do increase our income above middle class in that respective country then you can have pretty much the same life style with housekeep, cleaners, gardeners etc.. The aim should be to develop your income to afford that in any country.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Once you are above certain threshold from money perspective ( maslows heirarcy of needs), things change on what is more important too.
Not doing laundry, dishes and looking for servants??? Taking own children to their activities does need car and not your presence in UK.
Thinking about old parents life but making them to take care of your own children and making them cook and pamper you. All life conveniences.
Even after moving to India, parents live alone in their own home.
Going to different cities... Running away from relatives. haha. So, in-laws too.
Bengaloru has developed and good for opportunity and has life style comparatively.
UK weather doesn't help during winter. Not able to adapt to cold.
He wants to interact with kids - basically no control over kids. You don't want them to be independent.
Authority over kids will be gone.
When kids grown up, they don't want to come back. Then how they are happy living ik UK ?
Doing UK business based in india and moving to india is not completely giving away UK.
Having own business in India, can have indians working for UK production in lower wages paying in INR not in pounds.
Sports opportunity for children - that too in best place in bengaluru.
How many can afford such academies in India?
Looking for schools and sports academy as good as UK. haha
There are many academies in UK. But needs to be paid in pounds.
Everything is based on self conveniences.
How many indian families are able to send their children to such big academics in india or even a normal places?
Moving home is not packing 💯, but to rent the home and still own it in UK. Rent paying the mortgage and still have UK addresses.
Pensions - UK pensions.
Citizenship ???
So totally its all about self convenience. Not able to adapt , live independently to take care .. needs other people eho can be servants doing chores.
What if those servants life changes ? What if they get a opportunity to move out?
BBC - anti india.. hahaha
So make money in UK and live indian life.
If wife not willing, then the reason is not fairing women.
Multiply by two living in india with all UK standard life style. hahaha
Finally when are you and family giving up UK citizenship?
@@manopriyaa I wonder if they find UK so bad then why don’t they want to give up their British passport and get an Indian one ! Then reality will hit hard !
I'm a British citizen, I'm not going to give up my British passport. What's wrong in returning? I pay taxes in both countries. Worked very hard past 23 years. Is it wrong to move back. Whatever he mentioned absolutely true.
so much bitterness.. or jealous it is? BBC is anti India and if you do not agree or understand that, you need to be educated(not literate)
@@sowmyapothuhi, it's nothing right or wrong about it for anybody else. It's all about your conveniences and advantages of owning it.
Obviously having British citizenship has more values and advantage over Indian citizenship across the world. Otherwise why would anyone want to keep it.
With British citizenship how many countries can you travel? Any disaster, you will be considered as British and will have the privilege to get treated as British by the British government. Getting pension in pounds or equivalent to pounds. Number of country you can travel as a British person with a British passport.
In the future your generation can claim British citizenship benefits etc. So many high privileges you have with a British passport. Why would you give it away? haha
@@sowmyapothu Do you pay taxes in India..? As an OCI one does not pay taxes, unless the income is generated in Indian rupees. It would be an eye opener if you don’t mind elaborating..🙏🏽
The thing is NRI's must not compare developed country with india. The two are different. Its not necessary you have to live in a perfect city, the best school in india or perfect job. Even if the kids study in normal school get good grades, they can go abroad or good job. Gone are those days of the past where school mattered.
Moving back to India and living in the UK or American standards is what's expected.
This guy owns a UK business baesd in India and enjoying living richer in india getting maids etc to do chores.
What do we call this?
How many indians can do this?
Whats wrong in it. Everyone try to do the best of what they can for their families.
Agree 👍
Thanks
Hi could we get his linkdin peofile
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When you see the tag line…dont think they simply leave bcoze india is better…they leave after 18 years of work in uk and savings with that
Different priorities at different times stages of life. Its easy to continue life in UK but they decided to move to India for what they need.
Which country citizenship does he holds British or Indian
British
Offcourse British, he will never give it back 😂😅.
British
@@Kpac-ut2duyes no one wanted surrender their citizenship 😂
In summary, the family moved to India to take care of their aging family. They have property and maybe an ILR or British citizenship and will come back soon.
Family moved for kids.
Great Britain isn't doing anything great which can bring practical people back to the UK when they can do equally good or better in India itself.
Can he tell us which school the kids are enrolled in Bangalore please. Thanks
One is in Oakridge International School and the other is in TISB, both are in sarjapur
Can is ask the person why other nationalities ( like Europeans ) or Orientals don’t complain about not having support / help when they are away from their home countries .. is it that we as a race are to lazy to do housework and don’t feel that is a key part of life
I wouldn't call it complain. Someone growing up seeing that structure knows the possibilities of having someone helping with house work. In US, lots of people hire ppl for landscape etc., If money is not an issue, I would assume lot of people want to take support/help for chores (it's nothing to do being lazy but having flexiblity).
They do not complain because they never had this luxury.. People never complained of power cuts before invention of electricity. Plus their cooking is low effort cooking.
@@DesiReturn- I think it’s the mindset - many in India have never been asked to do DIY or house work ( again don’t want to generalise but that is a fact ) …
@@nd6468 😂😂😂😂😂😂 that is not a true portrayal of life for the everyday person.
After listening to this guy I've understood that he failed to integrate. He is "desi" at heart, and he never settled down... I am in London and i never thought of going back to India.. i am successful here and life is good here. Of course life here is not for the lazy people. You have to do everything on your own, you have to be responsible not spoon fed... Just my experience..
There is no way to solve the followings in the UK or in west
1. Aging parents issues.
2. Taking two kids to high intensity sports and other activities.
3. Depressing weather.
4. Future growth prospects
5. Be more productive by hiring help.
@prtyag Solved all the mentioned points, except the last one. I have help coming in every week for house cleaning, they come as a team and clean up the whole house.
House cleaning was never a problem for us as well in UK, but other problems were a huge compromise on the quality of life.
I have also realised people develop allergies in the UK weather.
@@prtyag We love this weather, it's like living in North east part of India. Air quality is better than any state in India. Medical services are free....
@Defusedben All the best !
You are sending to Harrow International school in Bangalore.
Good guess but one of son is going to TISB and the other one is going to Oakridge international
There is no details on what he is doing, Whats his business is etc
so people can relate. Not even his full name given
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Humans have moved across the globe from Africa. Home is where you are. The pasture is always greener on the other side. For each his own. You have to wash dishes and do laundry? Who else will wash and do laundry for you. Very clear you did not integrate into the life style of UK.
I lived 18years over there, when kids started going for Tennis, swimming, piano classes it became impossible.
They way people buy clothes made by someone else, I would like to afford daily laundry, and other services at affordable prices and become more productive in trade which I am good at and kids can also do their activities.
Strange... People living in India are very very desperate to get even 1 year in a country like the USA,UK,Australia etc. , when we discuss plan, they literally beg not to come..major reasons are cities situation in just one Rain..traffic..heavy dust and pollution and huge population pose lot of challenges to someone who thinks emotionally and want ro return..on top of it corruption and heavy taxes government has imposed giving nothing back to people in terms of infrastructure is huge backlog..
He returned to India on a uk passport given the number of years spent in uk
So and your point is? Making a decision to relocate when you have a comfortable life is a tough one
Yes that correct, but there are millions of Indians on the UK passport in the UK.
What is the problem in people living in India, who are of Indian origin holding a Non Indian passport?
This channel started late
😊 It was never too late to start and we all can wish some info was there before.
Is it possible to know which international school he has choosen? I am looking for some school
Many thanks
Oakridge International School
Whats the big idea of moving back when you dont want to be in touch with relatives. Crazy reasons and very selfish
They are much closer to family/relatives now. Anyway reasons to move are NOT crazy at all.
Running away from relatives to live in different cities... Luckily they can afford it. Not everyone@@DesiReturn
You want to be in touch, but the expectations from your wife are too much, which makes life difficult for the woman if you are in a same city. Otherwise, definitely we want to meet them in all the occasions and invite them.
@@prtyag You are a true gentleman to consider your wife 😊 It's true how relatives poke their nose in ladies lives!!!
The people have a better life in India .....but they do not believe you...
Please make decisions based on the facts they know.
UK has declined economically so much that it is now a third world country. So, nothing wrong in moving from third world country to developing country. India has issues like cleanliness etc. but economically better than UK.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Money is not enticing if you can't show off 😅
Different perspectives
Don’t forget the Edu in UK or US with gender 💩 is dangerous for kids 😮😮
With gender?
No gender india?
Boomer Spotted!
India UK is f
I don’t understand his English
Subtitles?
His accent is more clear and understandable than some strong American accents.
His English is fine.
All his cons of living abroad are only applicable to his situation and to many they sound silly and just making up reason to go back 🤪 😅😂.
This is his personal journey/story. These are not silly reasons at all. One doesn't need reasons or convince someone to move
I am sure the kids have a British passport…
Not just the kid.
Why are you jealous? Having a British passport does it make anyone be less human
@@abikarthik2401 look all nationals are humans, that is not up for discussion! And most certainly it is not about jealousy, just the title is a tad misleading, returning to India with 100% option of going back to the UK, is not called returning to India, rather trying and testing it out. Keeping your options open is a good thing , but you have to say it too… trying out living in India and see how it works out… painting the west in a negative light is not very helpful… my 2 bits
@@5400zanskargreat discussion. I'm from the UK. I was born in London and I've lived in the UK for over 55 years. The UK is not what it used to be and is going downhill fast. I've seen the decline. The best time in the UK was 1990s and 2000s. Now with government mismanagement and too many muslim immigrants, increased crime etc the country is going downhill. Also unless you can afford a good private school or get admission to free grammar school then you are in trouble. The government run state schools are terrible, bad teaching and very bad discipline problems. The society is fractured and kids can get corrupted very easily. Also you have choose the area you live in very carefully especially if you have kids. Just a few things to consider
@@vibhac5403 I totally agree with you, especially after Brexit things are going downhill, however, India is not without huge hurdles, try getting admission in a “ good” school without donations and Vitamin C, there are many many challenges. It is a dog eat dog society. For 10 returning Indians , 50 are ready to go west. one has to weigh out what is better for oneself…trying out India for a few years is good for the kids, however long term or permanent I have my doubts.