I had the opportunity of meeting both Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner, and that exact was asked, Leonard Nimoy was more than slightly unhappy about Generations, he said he wouldn’t have killed off Kirk either.
@@WillSmith-wg4hs Exactly, we don’t even know what the Veridians look like! I mean, do they have purple skin? Cranial ridges? Seven fingers on each hand? We’ll never know!
@@olympicnut The true nature of their relationship is really open to interpretation. Gene Roddenberry himself even acknowledged that viewing the two as being in love was a valid reading of the text.
Couldn't agree more, not that he was killed off, just that it was done in such a weak tea way. Jimmy T deserved better. And this movie was a less than stellar two part tv episode. They could even have done one of those time travel dealios where they could have brought then together and have Kirk forget the event when he went back to his own time. Or have had Kirk go out in command of the battle bridge fighting Lursa and Beator's Bird of Prey. Whole host of ways our man James could have gone out alone on the bridge of the Enterprise. Rather than falling down a hill on a bridge.
This was the worst fictional character death in ever! Kirk was the hero of 3 seasons, animated series, 6 movies, and multiple books and comics. By a falling bridge? Such a humiliating death!
@@Jasonjones-h2x Yup. Nothing about the idea for it was good so they should’ve just scrapped the whole thing and started over with a new story concept.
Relics is one of my favorite TNG episodes - yeah they should have done something similar for Generations - maybe a transporter accident sends Kirk to another universe, where aliens intercept and store Kirk's pattern indefinitely for study later. Maybe they could have combined the storylines of the Tholian Web and Relics. Maybe Kirk could have been discovered fading into and out of our reality, until they figured out how to bring him back into Picard's time. Generations was not well done except for subplots of Data getting an emotion chip, and the Enterprise D saucer crash scene was epic.
@@kunserndsittizen2655 all we knew about Cochrane from TOS is that sometime after the first successful warp flight, he went into space and went missing. The events of First Contact don’t contradict any of that.
@@lifebloodcore2106 yes they do by how he looks and acts. Plus he was from ALPHA CENTAURI or CRNTURIA the way Shatner pronounced it and was the DISCOVERER of the SPACE WARP
Definitely agree with you that Spock would not have left Kirk's "death" stand without investigation. I think they needed Kirk in the movie as insurance against box office failure. Killing Kirk also burned the bridges behind the Next gen cast, leaving no possibility of another TOS movie (there are ways, but that's another question) . The next gen movies were not that successful; who knows if Generations would have worked without Shatner. It's been said that Paramount didn't want to pay the TOS cast's increasing salaries, so they ended the film series. But Stewart's salary was much higher than the originals so go figure.
First of all, nothing was known of the "Nexus" during Kirk's time. It was presumed a high energy phenomenon destroyed a large chunk of the Enterprise and Kirk as well. He was presumed dead not just missing. There would be no reason for Star Fleet to pursue someone who just vaporized. What's interesting is that Kirk could have left the Nexus anytime, but didn't realize he could or maybe was just having too much fun. Recall also that time has no meaning inside the Nexus, so 78 years to us could seem like a year or less to Kirk. I really never cared for the story line of Generations as far as the reason for destroying the star - why not just fly a ship or small craft into the ribbon? Of course that would be too easy and boring, and they needed an excuse for all the drama and heroics.
@@josefmazzeo6628 Supposedly the reason Soran didn’t fly into the nexus was because it damages any ship it touches, but you’d think that if Soran could figure out how to launch a fucking rocket into a star to blow it up, he could figure out how to nexus-proof a spaceship.
Starfleet would be mighty interested after it nearly destroyed the Enterprise-- it's still snaking around as a space hazard. Regardless, Spock and co. aren't about to give up Kirk for dead with no body recovered. What'd they do when Starfleet said don't go to Genesis?
Fun fact - the lighting was very subdued on the Enterprise D set for the movie to hide imperfections that would not be obvious at analog TV resolutions when TNG aired late 80s/early 90s.
Ok, this talk of a romantic relationship between Spock and Kirk is utterly absurd, I have a best friend since I was 4 years old, we’re very close, I’d say we’re like brothers and if you’re a true Star Trek fan, I’ll remind you a 1968 episode where Kirk declares that they’re so close they’re like brothers. Spock agrees with that assessment in the very same episode. The episode I refer to is “ Whom gods Destroy”.
I loved this movie. The story is fine. Why would they bother looking for Kirk if it was clear that he was dead, unlike the "Tholian Web" where he merely phased out of space? Why would there need to be be a body to recover that was sucked out into space and incinerated by plasma? There's nothing wrong with the story. I suppose it could have been different, but it is what it is and that's fine. Perhaps Kirk still has a place in the Nexus.
Also, the Nexus literally touched people and briefly took them inside it during the rescue of the ships those people were on (hence Soran insisting that he “had to go back”) which would make there reason to believe that a person could survive contact with the Nexus and even being taken inside it
All the movies were awful. They weren't Star Trek. The characters didn't act like themselves. New tech was introduced for the same reason it's introduced in other space movies, instead of to further the thoughtful analysis of philosophical issues as was done in the original series TV show. None of that intelligent, thoughtful analysis happened in the movies. Watching them, I kept waiting for real Star Trek to come out and it never did. It's like they didn't understand what it was about. And don't get me going on the grandiose, judgy next generation. Picard acted like he had it all figured out, the sanctimonious idiot.
There's plenty to criticize about this movie, but this review is just 23 minutes of complaining about how Kirk died and Spock didn't try to find him and bring him back to life.
@@TripDerham There’s definitely more wrong with the movie than what I talked about here. I may address it in a future video where I talk about the Star Trek movies in general.
@@CoralReaper707 Yeah, I know it’s unusual for the channel, but this is just something that I really wanted to talk about. Normally if I don’t like something I have no desire to talk about it, but this was just something that especially bothered me. This type of video won’t be a regular occurrence.
Negative is starting to be misused as a judgement rather than seen as a point of view. I heard plenty of justifiable points of view that shouldn't be seen as negativity. One can love a franchise and still criticize it's failings.
I had the opportunity of meeting both Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner, and that exact was asked, Leonard Nimoy was more than slightly unhappy about Generations, he said he wouldn’t have killed off Kirk either.
Another reason why the death was unsatisfying was because we never get a connection to the people they were trying to save.
@@WillSmith-wg4hs Exactly, we don’t even know what the Veridians look like! I mean, do they have purple skin? Cranial ridges? Seven fingers on each hand? We’ll never know!
Kirk & Spock had a relationship that was beyond family, but not romantic.
@@olympicnut The true nature of their relationship is really open to interpretation. Gene Roddenberry himself even acknowledged that viewing the two as being in love was a valid reading of the text.
Couldn't agree more, not that he was killed off, just that it was done in such a weak tea way. Jimmy T deserved better. And this movie was a less than stellar two part tv episode. They could even have done one of those time travel dealios where they could have brought then together and have Kirk forget the event when he went back to his own time. Or have had Kirk go out in command of the battle bridge fighting Lursa and Beator's Bird of Prey. Whole host of ways our man James could have gone out alone on the bridge of the Enterprise. Rather than falling down a hill on a bridge.
This was the worst fictional character death in ever! Kirk was the hero of 3 seasons, animated series, 6 movies, and multiple books and comics. By a falling bridge? Such a humiliating death!
In hind site this film should've never been made...
@@Jasonjones-h2x Yup. Nothing about the idea for it was good so they should’ve just scrapped the whole thing and started over with a new story concept.
Relics is one of my favorite TNG episodes - yeah they should have done something similar for Generations - maybe a transporter accident sends Kirk to another universe, where aliens intercept and store Kirk's pattern indefinitely for study later. Maybe they could have combined the storylines of the Tholian Web and Relics. Maybe Kirk could have been discovered fading into and out of our reality, until they figured out how to bring him back into Picard's time. Generations was not well done except for subplots of Data getting an emotion chip, and the Enterprise D saucer crash scene was epic.
Ron Moore wrote BOTH episode and movie! Inexcusable plot holes.
@@kunserndsittizen2655 I mean, he wrote some pretty good episodes, too, gotta give him credit for that
@@lifebloodcore2106 GENERATIONS was horrible and inexcusable. FIRST CONTACT was inexcusable for the Cochrane stuff contradicting TOS
@@kunserndsittizen2655 all we knew about Cochrane from TOS is that sometime after the first successful warp flight, he went into space and went missing. The events of First Contact don’t contradict any of that.
@@lifebloodcore2106 yes they do by how he looks and acts. Plus he was from ALPHA CENTAURI or CRNTURIA the way Shatner pronounced it and was the DISCOVERER of the SPACE WARP
Definitely agree with you that Spock would not have left Kirk's "death" stand without investigation. I think they needed Kirk in the movie as insurance against box office failure. Killing Kirk also burned the bridges behind the Next gen cast, leaving no possibility of another TOS movie (there are ways, but that's another question) . The next gen movies were not that successful; who knows if Generations would have worked without Shatner. It's been said that Paramount didn't want to pay the TOS cast's increasing salaries, so they ended the film series. But Stewart's salary was much higher than the originals so go figure.
Wait wot? Patrick Steward ever had hair?
First of all, nothing was known of the "Nexus" during Kirk's time. It was presumed a high energy phenomenon destroyed a large chunk of the Enterprise and Kirk as well. He was presumed dead not just missing. There would be no reason for Star Fleet to pursue someone who just vaporized. What's interesting is that Kirk could have left the Nexus anytime, but didn't realize he could or maybe was just having too much fun. Recall also that time has no meaning inside the Nexus, so 78 years to us could seem like a year or less to Kirk. I really never cared for the story line of Generations as far as the reason for destroying the star - why not just fly a ship or small craft into the ribbon? Of course that would be too easy and boring, and they needed an excuse for all the drama and heroics.
@@josefmazzeo6628 Supposedly the reason Soran didn’t fly into the nexus was because it damages any ship it touches, but you’d think that if Soran could figure out how to launch a fucking rocket into a star to blow it up, he could figure out how to nexus-proof a spaceship.
Starfleet would be mighty interested after it nearly destroyed the Enterprise-- it's still snaking around as a space hazard. Regardless, Spock and co. aren't about to give up Kirk for dead with no body recovered. What'd they do when Starfleet said don't go to Genesis?
Fun fact - the lighting was very subdued on the Enterprise D set for the movie to hide imperfections that would not be obvious at analog TV resolutions when TNG aired late 80s/early 90s.
Ok, this talk of a romantic relationship between Spock and Kirk is utterly absurd, I have a best friend since I was 4 years old, we’re very close, I’d say we’re like brothers and if you’re a true Star Trek fan, I’ll remind you a 1968 episode where Kirk declares that they’re so close they’re like brothers. Spock agrees with that assessment in the very same episode. The episode I refer to is “ Whom gods Destroy”.
I loved this movie. The story is fine. Why would they bother looking for Kirk if it was clear that he was dead, unlike the "Tholian Web" where he merely phased out of space? Why would there need to be be a body to recover that was sucked out into space and incinerated by plasma? There's nothing wrong with the story. I suppose it could have been different, but it is what it is and that's fine. Perhaps Kirk still has a place in the Nexus.
@@bastidface In The Tholian Web, they definitely believed he was dead, otherwise they wouldn’t have held a memorial service for him.
Also, the Nexus literally touched people and briefly took them inside it during the rescue of the ships those people were on (hence Soran insisting that he “had to go back”) which would make there reason to believe that a person could survive contact with the Nexus and even being taken inside it
This film is worse than star trek 5..killing Kirk was just plain wrong an very stupid...
@@Jasonjones-h2x I’m definitely with you on it being worse than Star Trek V
Maybe they are still in the nexus and don’t realize it
Do you have NOTHING better to do?
@@traviswalker00 I’d ask you the same thing
All the movies were awful. They weren't Star Trek. The characters didn't act like themselves. New tech was introduced for the same reason it's introduced in other space movies, instead of to further the thoughtful analysis of philosophical issues as was done in the original series TV show. None of that intelligent, thoughtful analysis happened in the movies. Watching them, I kept waiting for real Star Trek to come out and it never did. It's like they didn't understand what it was about.
And don't get me going on the grandiose, judgy next generation. Picard acted like he had it all figured out, the sanctimonious idiot.
There's plenty to criticize about this movie, but this review is just 23 minutes of complaining about how Kirk died and Spock didn't try to find him and bring him back to life.
@@TripDerham There’s definitely more wrong with the movie than what I talked about here. I may address it in a future video where I talk about the Star Trek movies in general.
@@lifebloodcore2106 I love your voice though. Not sure why people are pointing to that as a weakness.
@ I get far more positive comments about my voice than negative ones; it doesn’t really bother me
You had me until the gay stuff they're close like that because they're like family like brothers ..Jesus🤦♂️
@@scifiguy26 It’s just one way of interpreting things; not everyone has to agree about it.
This might be your first negative video dang
@@CoralReaper707 Yeah, I know it’s unusual for the channel, but this is just something that I really wanted to talk about. Normally if I don’t like something I have no desire to talk about it, but this was just something that especially bothered me. This type of video won’t be a regular occurrence.
@lifebloodcore2106 alright, then! Hope your day goes well!
Negative is starting to be misused as a judgement rather than seen as a point of view. I heard plenty of justifiable points of view that shouldn't be seen as negativity. One can love a franchise and still criticize it's failings.