The "NEW" S&W 1854 Lever Action Rifle! (Better than Marlin or Henry?)
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Now give us a Schofield break action revolver in 45 Colt.
nah, a cartridge with a larger rim, S&W /Schofield's have a hard time grabbing the rim to extract the casing. Definitley should be in 357 magnum though, perhaps .44 special?
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That 44 special is an excellent idea!
@@williammcclelland6789Yes! sez Me.
Someone does a .45 LC break-open now. I forget who
I heard a S&W rep call the 1854 44 mag a “throw back to our heritage”. I’m a 10mm guy since about 1990. Super excited with the S&W M&P 10… bought two. Both jammed regularly, (failure to feed), The magazine fell out the bottom while shooting in both, and on one the supplied plastic optics plate cracked, the screws sheered, and my RMR flew backwards over my head. I sent them back to S&W twice. Failure to feeds continued after receiving them back each time. Called a third time and was transferred to a girl who sounded quite young. She interrupted me, talked over me, and told me that my request that S&W exchange my pistols wasn’t going to happen since the issues were fixable. And she said that I “should shoot better quality ammo”. I guess higher quality than the Federal, Fiocci, Mag Tech, Sig, and Hornady that I had written them about failing, and that I spent a fortune on testing their guns. I filed a BBB complaint but through mediation had no confidence in S&W’s offer to “service my guns”, (for the third time). I wonder if engineering a defective product and then having an arrogant and entitled sounding young lady dismiss your victims is also a throwback to S&W’s heritage; or perhaps rather, they are turning over in their graves.
I bought 2 revolvers and both had to be sent back. When I got them back before firing them I traded them at a lose of course
For the price they have it for I’ll stick to my Henry levers. S&W lost their claim to being high end a very long time ago. Granted when it comes to levers I prefer classic looking lever actions instead of the new/tactical/CoD looking lever actions. My ARs are for M-LOK gear, my lever actions and my single action armies are so I can forget, for a brief moment, that I live in a post modern hellscape.
Agree, putting a scope on a lever action takes out the ruggedness and compactness
Very good looking rifle not bad for $1,279. The limited edition is way too high for me $3,499. I think I will go with the Henry .44 wood. 💯%
Zero interest in this rifle. In general though, I’m getting tired of $1,500 to $2,000 lever actions, it’s getting ridiculous.
Also, at $1/round for 44mag, good luck feeding it.
Wood stock would probably be a better sell for me, and I might have thought about releasing it in S&W first cartridges 357, 44, 460, 500. Yes that may be answering a question nobody asked, but I have not seen leverguns in 460 and only can think of one in 500.
I think it would be awesome in 500 as well. Pretty sure there is wood furniture that’ll fit it but it would be nice if they offered it in a classic wood stock as well.
Most lever actions are not strong enough for 60k psi rounds. That is why almost nobody has ever made them.
They did say all the furniture for this gun follows the marlin 1894 pattern, so any of the aftermarket qood stocks or the laminate stocks would work
Still waiting for the 357 mag
I really like that. It gives us "tacticool" generation something in the old style. Something to get our friends that wouldn't otherwise be interested into these older guns
Yeah, kinda goes with those tacticool double barrels. 😁
There is plenty of subsonic .44 Special ammo, so the threaded barrel for suppressors makes sense.
If its not in .45-70 it will be second to everything else. How about a lever in 500 s&w!! Comeon SW
I like it, but ruger came out with the LC carbine in 45 acp
I agree with you on the polymer stocks... and if it was available in .357 or .45 colt that would be an interesting option & believe it or not, I would be interested in seeing one in 30-30 Winchester! I still have my 1974 model 94 Winchester & it still shoots like new! But a stainless steel one would really be great!
Pretty sure I heard the S&W sales Rep say it takes the marlin stock and fore grip.
Now to make a comparison of all the lever guns including Smith & Wesson, Marlin, Henry, Savage and the Winchester.
Still waiting on 357 mag.
Wow, S&W is crushing it. I’ve lost count of the new guns they’ve introduced lately. I’d prefer a 16-17 inch barrel but if the street price is competitive, I may pick one up.
I'm waiting for the rifle/revolver combo that will be sold as a package.
Glad to see more and more Lever actions coming back it's about time
Been searching for a 12 shot 357 forever, Winchester no longer available finally found a Chiappa 12 shot 357 Octagon barrel.
Boyds might start offering wood stocks for this gun.
Price: $450 likely.
Wooden stock and 357 and I’m in!
Same
I think it's a good gun they came out with. Good camping backpack atv gun even a truck gun. I like that they put that furniture on cuts down on weight and more weather resistant. The mlock on the grip don't bother me I actually prefer lights on guns. I think it's nice,a little pricey for what it is but I would probably buy one.
The removable magazine tube is archaic. I saw one reviewer have it fly off like a gangbuster.
Ive had a love/hate relationship with s&w over the years. Ive never bought a bad revolver from them, but some of there other guns (m'fing Victory) have left a lot to be desired. That being said, I do like a good lever gun and Ill probably give this one a chance.
Yankee, what's your opinion on the new offerings from Beretta? Specifically the 30X and 92GTS models? I think the GTS is gonna beat out the Beretta 92Xs in sales, and the limited edition two tone is *chef's kiss*
I also like their 308 volunteer series
At least from my perspective, I would say your assessment is spot on.
Ok, somebody explain to me where they got the 1854 name from? I know there was an 1860 Henry, and before that there were the Volcanics, but...
Why didn't they call it the 2054? 😂
I believe 1854 was the patent year of the Volcanic.
@@birddt3 It appears you are right. The Volcanic Company brought Smith and Wesson together where they then formed Smith & Wesson soon after.
I’m stoked. I was set on a Henry X for my first lever gun but this one excites me more. I think I’ll wait for 30-30 though.
buy the henry It will be a better rifle.
Looks to me like the market is now getting flooded with lever action pistol caliber rifles.I ended up getting the .44 mag Rossi 92 in green Cerakote for $700.00 and tax
Please test with long heavy loads. Particularly underwood 340gr +p+ it barely fits henry big boy will load and fire ( barely) but can't eject unfired round. Looks like bolt and port are longer on new s&w.
4th vid all in a few hours about this. Priced too high. Not offered in 357.
Heard they are considering a limited edition version that also comes with a limited edition Model 29 .44 mag. But both will be engraved and way out of my price range.
357!
They have one with a wooden stock. Its about 3grand
I like the light mounts.
And pic rail.
I honestly kind of like it. Why? I'm not sure. I have no use whatsoever for a .44 mag lever gun, yet I can't help feeing attracted to it.
Tym boy Yankee I don't know I don't have a snw but the minute Henry put. A side load gate in I ran out and bought one in 45 colt to go with my pair of uberti 45 I don't believe you can beat a Henry the action is smooth as butter my Henry is large loop I think it holds 12 I know it holds more then 10 I don't know what you mean by tube gate though mine still has a tube for fast unloading instead of cranking them out one by one but it's just a nut if you didn't know it was there you wouldn't even notice it I like it cause you can just dump your rounds fast when done hunting in also had a rail put on for a Leopold?quick attach detach scope so I can just take it off cas and put it on quick hunting for precision I love my Henry the checkering wood the wood stock I'll take my Henry any day my other 45 colt rifle is a Rossi r92 actions a tad rough load gate a tad rough and no removable tube but still serves it's purpose I supposemy tube looks exactly like that one on that snw
Marlin 1895gs w/ factory magna porting. bought 25 years ago. I'll keep it, you can have the rest.
For those who care, the LOP according to S&W is between 12.-13" vs the Henry Model X's 14". I just got off the phone with both and Henry has no plans for a shorter LOP though you can order wood furniture for it for about $150 and cut it down yourself. Since the Henry Model X is their only center-fire with a factory threaded barrel and this 1854 comes with it with a shorter LOP, this appears to be a pretty good deal.
Good to know, my typical complaint with lever action rifles is the LOP is too short so 14 inches would be perfect!
44 Mag/Spec perfect size to power ration!
It's a nice looking rifle, but i like my 16.5 inch barrel case hardened Henry octagon barrel better.
I like it. I am for sure picking it up.
Hopefully skinner will make a express sight for it, so you can dump the rail.
I don't care for 44 mag, I'd think about it if it was in 357 mag
Watched an interview with the S&W folks. They wouldn’t confirm or deny if it will come out in 357mag or 45lc. But they did mention that 44mag is a good middle ground for them to build other calibers.
According to the S&W web site the intended calibers are: .357 mag, .44 Mag, .45 Colt, 30-30, and 45-70. This is a newly released gun so give it awhile. I would like to see .35-Remington and the 44-40. Those two are not available though.
@@whomagoose6897 my dad has as 35 Remington, that thing smacks, but only out to 150, the drop is kinda crazy.
Awww, is her afraid of the 44 recoil? 😂😂😂
@@moobutt 44 mag drop and BCs are less than optimal.
And I can reload 357.
Looks cool just puzzed on why they would call it an 1854.
That’s the date of the patent they bought way back when
It would look good with a boyds style laminate stock
Hmm, flat triggers vs Curved triggers ? ? ? Sounds like a good comparison, benefits v drawbacks, video idea.
The short version is that generally flat faced is better for hinged triggers, and curved is better for triggers that pull straight back, like the 1911.
The appeal of 1854 is so bad ass man
A standard grade wooden stock will be an easy option to add.
I would like to point out... as a milennial... this is EXACTLY what I have been looking for in a lever action rifle. Wish the tube didnt completely pop out but I wont use that feature... and I wish that he front sight was more protected. Knocked the rest out of the park.
I’d love to have it, but not the price 😢
I hate the tacti-cool levers but s&w actually built a nice little bush rifle. This will be selling like crazy.
44 mag is a little light for Bigfoot!
It's not even particularly "tacticool." It's just a lever-action rifle that makes use of modern industry standards for optic and accessory mounting. Polymer is lighter and more consistent than wood, and less susceptible to warping in damp conditions. That plus the stainless steel makes this rifle ideal for the southeast or the Pacific northwest.
Sounds like you should buy the wood stock version. It’s only about $3500.
I think S&W might have came in to hot with this one. They are trying to capitalize on the trending lever gun market, but for a company that does not have a name in the lever action rifle game they just came in too hot. A ton of people have already lost their faith in S&W. Now they introduce a new to them platform rifle priced at almost 1300 and 3900 bucks. Smith should have entered the lever gun market at more of a Rossi/Citedel price point and garnered some followers and fans of it first before they tried stomping the yard with Marlin and Henry. I know supply on them is limited, but I cant tell you how many Ive seen just sitting on the shelf in FFLs in my area with no one giving them attention, while most places around here couldn't keep a 44 magnum Henry or Marlin on the shelf for 48 hours. It just signifies to me that S&W my have reached to far with this one, but time will tell.
I wish they'd make these rifles in 454 casull. Make it a 21 or 22 inch barrel, you get 10 or 11+1 amd you get enough firepower to take out absolutely any and everything in the world. And the henry all weather sells VERY well, so this will ABSOLUTELY sell well.
Black and gray laminate stock would be nice.
It looks like exactly what one should want out of a modern "tactical" lever-action. Add a suppressor, optic, and light and you're ready go to do Far Cry 5 shit.
I've got my Henry 44mag lever gun...so I hope smith offers a model in the S&W 500 magnum. I'll be all over that!
Just the sort of gun for people who like this sort of gun.
I like this one.
If it was a 357 i would be pumped
As an all weather hunting rifle, it makes sense.
Nice, but I just got a Henry 30-30X for $860.
LEEver action… 😂
I get they are paying homage to the volcanic pistol but rhe 1854 model name is kinda dumb
Ha! I just asked the same thing. I guess it was the Volcanic that Wesson was involved on. But this is no Volcanic.
Where is your free gun Yankee? I think Smith and Wesson has given a 1854 gun to every other gun channel out there. You have given the only honest assessment of the marketing of this gun I have seen- total mistake to not establish a wood version before the tactical version. I disagree with you about the tube though- if it is removable, you need to be able to load thru it, otherwise you lose 1/2 of its functionality. I have become so used to loading and unloading thru the tube on my Henrys, that I would hard think buying any lever gun without that feature.
Have to disagree with one comment you made here. You said this is the only "stainless" 44 mag lever action available. Not quite right as Henry has the 44 mag All Weather. This one is actually matte chrome plated steel with black wood stocks and a 20" barrel. I know this to be true since I have one. I am not a huge fan of straight grips which is what I had to settle for with the Henry. If I had known this was coming out with the pistol grip, I would have waited for this. Oh well, I may have to have 2 lever actions in 44 mag!
American •44 lever action. Henry are they still USA made? As a Brit I am outside the loop here
They also make stainless all weather models
Yes, moved their plant to Wisconsin. Their motto is "Made in America or not at all."
Production numbers are low. 357 lever guns are being sold for 150% of list price.
Lever....not leeever
It may be much better than Henry, but not Remington Marlin. I say Remington because they made the best Marlin lever guns ever. If you shoot one you will know how good they are. Remington also sold them at a price the average Joe could afford. Ruger is scalping people with their inflated price point. Remington only four years ago sold their 30-30’s for under $400, Ruger now sells theirs for around $1,200. Same with the 1895’s Remington four years ago $ 630, Ruger now sells theirs for around $1,500 for the American Walnut type
and Stainless for $1,800. Thank you Smith and Wesson to the rescue!M
I don't get the point. If you want to have a modern lever action, then build one, if you want something old fashioned, also fine, there's plenty. But an old fasioned lever action with a few modern features... What for? Playing stainless wild west in the rain or hunting with a subadequate weapon. Cold have put a box mag in, could have made a free floating barrel, etc. but instead fitted a weird looking picatinny.
they need this in 460 and 500
The plastic stock are probably more durable than wood but it doesn’t have the soul
For me is perfect for hunting awesome gun polymer stainless steel perfect I like it
Henry already offers this.
What the hell?!? Are you the ONLY one that didn't get a new H9 to play with?
There’s no way that design is from an 1854 patent. That has features that weren’t developed until decades later.
Dirty Harry would be proud to see this rifle. He would have a pistol and rifle in the same caliber. Go ahead with Make My Day.
or .500 mag version.
I need it in 357.
I will just keep my Henry all weather
Looks like a Henry.
Hey Yankee, why is there an empty space on your wall? :P I had too ask cause I think its funny people still ask that.
S&W + lever action = Volcanic rifle or pistol..... This one is a swing and a miss for me.
Rossi 92 stainless at 1/2 the price
Cross bolt safety for me is a no go.
Sacrilegious to put a composite stock on a lever gun. It took me years to accept stainless steel finish. But I'll never appreciate or buy one with plastic furniture.
I'll stay with my marlin and henry rifles.
I want a 500
1854 style?????
Of course they ruin a nice gun with a cross block safety. Typical Smith and Wesson. I’ll pass.
The stainless body and barrel turns me off. Too bright and shiny for me. I want my guns low key, not flashy.
Do you always review firearms you don't have in your possession?
It's made in Italy. If I'm going to buy what appears to be a 2nd rate copy of a Marlin, I'd prefer a real Marlin. You want Italian, buy an Uberti. This rifle appears to be the result of corporate boardroom confusion. Focus on your core product. If your marketing team has exhausted their bag of ideas, maybe it's time to kick ass & clean house. Maybe they've lost touch with their civilian base of hunters, target shooters & competitive shooters. S&W has purchased & destroyed one of the finest American firearms companies of the latter 20th century. Thompson Center. Think of the possibilities that could have been explored with that combination. What's next, cast zinc non-firing replicas made in China? If I buy a S&W, I want it made by S&W.
Love lever actions but they have to be true to original designs. If you modernize them you lost me.
Henrys are all modern design. I just don't believe that the smartest designers of lever guns only lived in the late 1800s. There are smart people today too.
@@shemp1howard I do 😂.
Leever.. lol 🤡