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David didnt create the xeno's. The ship in ALIEN with the eggs was thousands of years old. In Prometheus there was the mural on the ceiling that showed an alien egg, and the xeno statue thing on the wall, both set before this film obviously. David was staying in the 'hall of records' on the Covenant planet. If yuo notice there were huge scrolls on massive shelves and all over the place. David just used those scrolls to create the eggs and Xeno's in this film. The engineers created the xeno's a LONG time ago as a weapon.
Yup, this is my take as well. David didn't create anything, he just worked backwards and undid what the Engineers did and "created" something resembling the original organism.
@@OperatorKain I mean its not my take as such. Scott himself not that long ago in an interview said that David didnt create them. He should of made it more clear in this film though. Maybe it did in some cut scene. You never know with Scott though, he's so entrenched in the 'sleepwalking' stage of his career that he probably forgot all about the engineer ship in ALIEN, and the egg mural and xeno statue in Prometheus lol. And i think the 'hall of records' was mentioned in a cut scene, or in an interview. You can clearly see the huge scrolls all over the place, on massive shelves, and where David was experimenting. Agin the film should of made it more clear thats what David was doing though, back engineering in a sense.
@@pabcu2507 Which i preferred to be honest. I always remember many years ago when there were a lot of rumours going around about Cameron doing ALIEN 5 and it was going to be marines going to the alien homeworld to wipe them out once and for all. Instead years later we get Prometheus.
@@mastes1 AVP 3 was gonna be a film set on the alien home world with predators fighting a hive of aliens (and a alien king) while a group of weyland yutani mercenaries or colonial marines joining in on the fight as well
David was a major positive from Prometheus (and the engineer lore)...so they just said "let's add TWO Davids" lol. Basically the only reason to watch this movie...love the scene where David nukes the engineer's other race
@@funtourhawk According to Alien Covenant novel and the art book for the movie, those were Engineers themselves on their homeworld, Paradise. There goes Ridley Scott, he's just all over the place.
I think the one in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes was shorter. James Franco didn't even know he was in the movie coz they used archive footage from the first movie lol.
@@OfficialMediaKnights The Covenant crew were in a series of webisodes prior to the release of the film. Not a huge fan of that. Time should be spent building characters in the film. Saying that, most of the crew were so stupid. Frustrating writing.
After hearing David said: "You will die. I will not." Weyland gave an upset response: "Bring me this tea." In the previous film that took place after, when Charlize Theron failed to get her answer from David, David teased her by asking: "A cup of tea?".
A line that stuck with me regarding these movies (Prometheus, Alien: Covenant) is this: "These movies are set in the Alien universe, but they are the story of David". Idk but that line opened me up to a heap of understanding for some of the overarching decisions made by Ridley Scott with regards to the story he wants to tell when I first heard it.
@@eu_o_andy True. I highly disagree with a lot of Scott's decisions with regards to the prequel films, but I am also an extremely weak sucker for grand ideas, even if executed poorly.
I just had a epiphany. I really enjoyed watching this movie and then it hit me!!! you edited this & as far as I am aware, no one has ever given you props for the way you present these episodes. They are shorter versions of a movie but it's still got the detail in there even with large chunks missing and you kept me grip till the end. You guys are unbelievable❤
Yah one reason why I like these two is they know how to edit down their reactions while still including the story beats they intuitively just know we would be watching for. Top tier reactors. Nuclear.
I wish Ridley Scott would have ended his trilogy. It's such a shame he wasn't given the opportunity to do so. The themes addressed in Prometheus were so fascinating to me as well.
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I'm not on board with some of the choices these movies made... still, it always leaves me unsatisfied when a Story is left open-ended. In other words: I prefer Trilogies over Duologies.
EVERY lifeform in Covenant: 1.) The Motes (aka Insects, Plants, Spores) 2.) The Bloodbursters (aka Baby Neos, Fetus, Larvae, Neo-Newborns, Newborns) I. The Backburster II. The Mouthburster 3.) The Neomorphs 4.) The Ovomorphs (aka Praeto-Eggs) 5.) The Praetohuggers 6.) The Praetoburster (aka Baby Praeto, Praeto-Newborn, Praeto-Infant, Imp) 7.) The Praetomorphs (aka Stalkers) 8.) The Planet 4 Humanoids - an unnamed race of humanoids that resembled The Engineers we saw in Prometheus but have since been confirmed to be one of their creations, like us humans. 9.) Silly Humans
@jordanmatthewstelck you need mama praetomorph in there - kind of like the queen bee is seperate from worker bees - and then after humans, insane ai robots lol but excellent list evolution!
I love how 'doing an Alien 3' is now shorthand for killing established, well-liked characters for no reason other than to engineer a different plot. It was dumb in Alien 3 and it's dumb here too.
This wasn’t going to be the way it ended but the third movie was canceled. But alien Romulus connects these movies with the originals so… Stay off the narrative of this movie and just enjoy it.
It's such a shame they never finished this storyline - as flawed as some moments were, it would have been great to see how it all is summed up. We're gonna cover Romulus when it comes out on Digital and we're super excited to see it!
I'm not sure that's entirely correct. But I kinda hope the new movie's relative success (financial if not creative) will mean we get another one or two that tie up things.
@@smiffy68 to me the movie was just okay, it was nothing but nostalgia for 1-3 and barely moved the story forward by the end . Alot of the plot points where predictable as hell
@@OfficialMediaKnights Would be great to see your reaction to M Knight Shymalan's movie franchise which is the Unbreakable universe - Unbreakable, Split and Glass
@@OfficialMediaKnights I don’t disagree I was really looking forward to it but I can tell you… Having seen it… Romulus really does bridge the gap and does a fantastic job of connecting the entire saga. Can’t wait for that thing to release so you can watch it :-)
54:16 it wasn’t david that brought something to the ship it was the guy who got the facehugger on him but was able to get it off, the one who’s face didn’t melt all the way. even though they got the facehugger off him it was still able to implant the egg in him. You can see him on the floor of the medbay with his chest open
True, apparently facehuggers can nut in a second and impregnate you now, whereas it took hours before. Nothing in this movie makes sense, absolutely NOTHING. And Romulus does the same shit, thanks to Riddley injecting his bullshit in the script.
I didn't get that (the guy looked more torn to shreds than chest-bursted imho), but it makes sense, except the common issue with the Xeno growing into adulthood in like 15 seconds 😂 When I watched it I just assumed it snuck aboard somehow. It wouldn't have made sense for David to bring it aboard and then help the crew get rid of it.
No, it's the Die Hard that has some flaws but this movie is a complete disaster containing dumbest characters the world of cinematography has ever seen. If you want thought-provoking themes, it's better to read smt from Sheakspeare. Don't think the Alien franchise's supposed to bear it.
This is without a doubt Michael Fassbender's movie , That beginning scene with him and a very underrated and brilliant Guy Pearce set the tone for the whole movie , and this movie was the ultimate manifestation of Ridley Scott's philosophy, the guy hates humanity with passion, and it really shows in this movie😂.
Just to clarify: Prometheus landed on LV-223, Nostromo landed on LV-426, the two alien ships they saw were not the same. Chances are the engineers set out many outposts to weaponize the black goo, but eventually they all got out of control and died. The whole ALIEN franchise is about human beings dealing with the mess left by the engineers, much like how human trying to survive in the Wasteland of Mad Max, we don't need the detail of how the world became what it is, we just need to see how they deal with the leftovers.
My theory about the Derelict from the original Alien is that, since it was on LV-426 - a moon orbiting the same planet as LV-223 where Prometheus took place - is that he was transporting those eggs to LV-223 where the Plagiarus Praepotens (the black embryonic substance that facehuggers inject into their hosts, in essence, the baby Xenomorph) would be extracted from the Facehuggers and processed into the black goo bio weapon/Pathogen (this explains why all organisms that spawn from the black goo seem to be "Xenomorphic" in nature - they're sort of genetic offshoots of the same highly mutable organism). But unfortunately for that particular Engineer, one Facehugger got out and infected him. So he settled on the nearby moon of LV-426 and sent a message to his comrades that the cargo had been compromised and not to come rescue him. In this interpretation of events, David did not in fact create the Xenomorph but rather reverse engineered it from the Pathogen. The Xenomorph could then be interpretated as a creature that evolved out of nature, and the Engineers discovered it, learned that its highly adaptable biology could be used as a foundation for biotechnology, and consequently built their civilization and culture around genetic engineering (which is why there's a mural dedicated to a Xenomorph-like creature - perhaps the Deacon - in the temple in Prometheus. The Engineers may revere it to some extent as progenitor of their entire society). With regards to Alien: Covenant, there's a lot I like about the film. There's also a lot that I find frustrating. However, this head canon helps deal with a lot of the inconsistencies and leaps in logic the film has us as an audience make when relating it to the other films in the franchise. Without spoiling things for the new film, Alien: Romulus sort of backs up this idea that, if we consider the Xenomorph and the Pathogen as a sort of chicken/egg question, the chicken probably came first.
Very spot on summary and run down. I hope in future movies or in another comic series (after fire and stone/life and death) we get a depiction of the ancient xeno/deacon entity that the Engineers discovered. I know some people want the xenomorph we know to be as it was in the past, but consider that until a more recent point in history they'd never had human hosts. Also, I know some people hate this idea but I do like that some kind of original organism exists and due to humans, engineers or whoever else messing and experimenting with them they caused an evolution that was too dangerous, nature biting back so to speak.
I might add that there were other temples on LV-223 that didn't get explored by the crew of the Prometheus. I like to think that if those additional temples were to be explored, they would have found a chamber with a bunch of Xenomorph Eggs in statis. They may have also found the actual factory/manufacturing plant that would extract the Plagiarus Praepotens from the Facehuggers, refine it into the Pathogen, and despoit it into the Vases.
44:30 Technically, this is not the Xenomorph XX121 as we've come to know them. At the time of filming this species was designated the Protomorph. Later, nearer the release of Alien Romulus, it became known as the Praetomorph. If the Xenomorph XX121 has the taxonomic designation of _linguafoeda acheronsis,_ then this would be either _linguafoeda quatroplanetaris_ for "Foul Tongue of Planet Four" or _linguafoeda primus_ for "First Foul Tongue".
This movie was the first time I ever walked out of a theater completely disappointed. The movie talks down to the audience throughout the movie, the biggest example of which was making us think that Walter beat David after they fought but then “surprise” it was David all along. And the movie actually retroactively corrects itself after the release saying the alien we see in the end is not the Xenomorph but something called the “Praetomorph”.
@@OfficialMediaKnightsXenomorphs are the biological perfection made by the Engineers as a bioweapon. Praetomorphs, Neomorphs and the other types are essentially the rough drafts.
If there was a "correction" after release it's obviously not the movie "correcting itself". Personally I have little interest in the difference. The Xenos will just make any messed up hybrid the writers come up with and that's fine.
Fun fact: it's best to just consider these "prequels" as just spinoffs instead of an origin story for Xenomorph. David doesn't create the first Xenomorph. He just figures out the formula to create a Xenomorph through The Engineers materials and cookbooks. Even as you guys see in this movie, "The Protomorphs" aren't nearly as intelligent but more animalistic than the Xenomorphs. They straight up just kill and use a direct mean to deal with preys. Unlike the Xenomorphs that tends to use stealth and ambush tactics, also kills but sometimes drags certain number to build nest and eggmorph
Uuuhm.............................if you watch the deleted scenes from this film you will know that David actually DID create the first Xenomorphs. That's what's sooo shocking about it: they were developed by a narcasistic Weyland robot with a god complex. You can clearly see in Prometheus that the engineer doesn't even recognise the trilobite as a giant facehugger. And if the engineers did create them then why was their homeworld not infested by it before it got genocided by David !?. Just saying.
@@schlock159David can't have created them because they've been around for at least thousands of years as stated by AVP, the idea that no matter how indirectly humans are the reason these creatures are around is extremely narcissistic.
From the visionary director who taught you that taking off your helmet on an alien world on day 1 is sound science, now teaches you after further study that you don't need one at all.
For more context out of the previous film the best you could do is see the deleted scene where David and the Engineer talked. If you youtube search prometheus explained, you might see a 90 second interview Tarantino did about Prometheus. If you type prometheus explained acidglow, you might find some of the best explanations on youtube for that movie.
The reason these movies don't jive with the original is because Scott never wanted to make another Alien movie. He was originally shopping around to produce a movie he wanted to do based on the book "Chariot of the Gods" This book was the first major work that put forward the "Alien Astronaut Theory." In which it is theorized that we humans were either created or influenced by aliens. Our old gods being aliens and what not. No studio was interested. Fox gave him a deal, that they would fund this movie, under the condition it would take place in the Alien franchise, so they could advertise "The director that started it all returns!" Once you realize what these movies aren't (Alien movies) and what they are (Chariot of the Gods) it all started to make more sense.
The fact they decided to explore the planet with no suits on is ridiculous. Even if they checked the air quality and saw there's plenty of O2, how are you not gonna take potential pathogens into account?
Personally I disagree with this criticism a little bit. From my understanding they weren't trained. They weren't scientists and also they scanned the planet for oxygen levels and it was fine which is why they assumed it would be okay. The crew in Prometheus was far more stupid to take their helmets off on a new planet and they were all scientists and/or qualified for the mission. The crew of Convenant were not scientists or equipped for what they discovered. They were meant to simply be a ship crew. Basically they were glorified Babysitters for the scientists and experts who were in cryo-sleep. In other words the Covenant crew was inexperienced and were not considering these things. As opposed to the Prometheus crew who took off their helmets inside an Alien structure without knowing what was in there (That was dumb)
@@granddaddyotaku636disagree. Some on the covenant were absolutely scientists. The woman collecting water samples and even labeling the samples was a clear indicator that at least some on this mission was equipped to study environments.
@@idiot_city5444 I just disagree with the idea that they were somehow experts and capable of understanding what they were up against. There can be flaws in terms of the movie itself that we can discuss but I won't really change my mind in regards to the crew's intelligence or lack of. To each their own. I just feel like the criticism with regards to their intelligence seems a bit illogical and presumptuous, considering these are the first few decades of human space travel and this specific crew was not meant to be doing a science expedition. They were novices in these sorta situation. If anything, their biggest flaw was their hubris in thinking they could handle it. Specifically the acting Captain who wanted to prove he could lead and ended up getting his ppl killed. Also keep in mind, it's only common sense in hindsight. We knew the dangers because we know what movie we are in. But since they had no reason to assume it was dangerous there, their assumptions, though misguided, were very human. A trained science expedition should however take precautions, which is why I think the Prometheus team was a lot dumber. Since they kept ignoring precautions. The covenant crew was merely doing a quick recon of the planet and ended up in a situation they didn't expect or prepare for. I'm not saying the movie is perfect, but this point I'm just not in agreement with.
Currently going through a bad bout of depression so this reaction was so uplifting & a great tonic. Ari & Denise always give great reactions & there love for movies shines in every video they do plus there post movie discussions are always informative & on point & you are one of my favourite reaction channels. My main gripe with this movie was killing Shaw even worse off screen, I think it was a wasted opportunity to explore her & David's relationship & felt there was a lot more to her character.
Worth noting, the planet David killed wasn’t the Engineer home world. It was another seed world like Earth-A species crafted by the Engineers. As you may have seen, the ones David brought genocide upon were not very technically advanced.
I refuse to believe the xenos came from David. If you think back their was a statue of one in prometheus, I think David was just following a recipe or how to make these creatures from the engineers.
The mural depicts the first Deacon, which the engineers worship as a god because it's blood was used to save their species. You see the first Deacons blood being used by the engineer in the very beginning of Prometheus (gold tint). The engineers on the planet the explorers find are attempting to bioengineer more Deacon blood because they have exhausted their supply. The result is the black goo. So David created the xenomorph as we know it, but the original god-like creature found by the engineers was the Deacon.
@@ryanotorpedoin the very first scene of Prometheus. The engineer ingests the blood and then disintegrates, which is different from the effect of the black goo.
@@orthodoxazealian7566 he drinks a saucer of it dr. Holloway had a small drop of it which was still effecting his DNA. my question is where do we see or get any proof of the deacon blood? Also the mural shows a more rounded front whereas the deacon is more pointed like a beak.
@@ryanotorpedo the extended information about the Deacon comes straight from the script, which has been published. They cut a bunch of scenes out of the movie including one where David reads the writing on the walls and the face in the room with black goo jars. Also, there are actually 3 murals in that room. One depicts a engineer sacrificing himself by allowing the trilobite (weird tentacl-y creature) to impregnate him with the Deacon. The black goo is not a perfect reproduction of the Deacons blood, which is why it is so destructive.
It would have been great if Ridley was allowed to finish his Prequel trilogy(personally I enjoyed both Prometheus and Covenant) but still Romulus managed to tie these two prequels to original Alien and I must say that it works even without the third movie.
Couldn't have been worse than Alien 3! I'd have watched it. I haven't seen Alien Romulus yet but the alien in this one felt so alive and scary. I kind of avoided watching this one again but I got it finished today. I enjoyed it more this time around. My new controller came in the mail so I'm gonna play Alien Isolation tonight. It's overcast today too, so good for the atmosphere. Never been part of the crowd hating on Prometheus, I was just hesitant to like this one because it's so bleak. Aliens is probably the one that came closest to a happy ending, but while that isn't the point of space horror, it can be a reason why I go back to a film over and over.
@IgorMuratikov Absolutely no. We have NO CLUE what David does after covenant and if he's still alive and if not what ends him. We have NO CLUE whether weyland is green lighting what David is doing and purposefully sent the covenant ship to David so he has thousands to experiment with. We don't know if Walter a fan favourite character is still alive and what he does after or if he wakes up woth all of David's info and "lab" work. Does Daniels have a chance of survival, what of Tennessee etc. A lot of questions are still unanswered and Romulus doesn't change that.
Those two movies shouldn't have been made in the first place. They ask questions that we didn't ask for and that they aren't able to answer properly. Sometimes it's better not to know where the creature comes from : it adds to the mystery and the myth.
This movie did to Elizabeth Shaw what Alien 3 did with Newt and Hicks. Which was one of the exact things fan had a huge problem with in that movie. It basically made the previous movies traumas and triumphs pointless. And it was a glaring indicator that they had written themselves into a corner and took they cheap and easy way out
Cool reaction! 120:50 Great point Denise! When I first saw this following Prometheus, felt a bit let down from not doing more with where Prometheus left off, yet over the years when I've rewatched, I enjoyed it more. Had the time to led go of any expectation of what the film "should" or could've been
@@OfficialMediaKnights I think y'all should try reacting to some martial arts movies, these are often overlooked. I dont think anyone has reacted to Kiss of the Dragon till now. Try reacting to that next
@@OfficialMediaKnights After this, you'll definitely want to watch Alien Romulus because it ties elements from all the Alien films so beautifully... There was even a novel that gave the other stages of the Xenomorph life cycle their own taxonomic nomenclature, which was used in Romulus.
Also a little detail, Denise was actually correct with the final xeno looking different. This one is called the protomorph and it is more muscular and animalistic, making it slightly more primitive than the xenomorphs we know as their anatomy is way more biomechanical. Also the white ones are called neomorphs.
Scientists in this universe don’t know what airborne pathogens are apparently. Breathable air or not…does not make it ok to just head out with no helmet on.
@OfficialMediaKnights the only thing that saved it for me, really was having a certain frame of mind for it. The original alien is like the original Friday the thirteenth slasher film. And covenant would absolutely be equal to one of it's shitty sequels with a much higher body count, stupid teenagers making terrible decisions, and titties.
@@tygerchickchibi On earth human beings have evolved with earth pathogens/germs for millennia. On another planet your immune system won't have any clue when it comes to dealing with any disease it encounters. A hazmart suit would definitely be a must-have. It was a really stupid and unnecessary plot hole that could have been fixed easily.
Poor Walter, I think he's aware and perceptive to a degree but clearly isn't as homicidal as David But I think the 'sentience' as it were was stronger in David nothing can quite put the life and power into something as outpacing death.
The xenomorph is the final result of the engineers's (failed?) experience to recreate their god's blood. Life incarnate, a perfect bioweapon, the ultimate punishment.
Partially head canon since the lords blood is from a fake script. A fake script however that could still be proven to be true though. I like the idea that the ancient deacon creature that is an ancestor to xenomorphs was a one in a million species or creature. Somehow they died or ran out of the original source of it's version of black goo and in the effort to recreate it they created the more chaotic violent pathogen and/or xenormorphs more as we know them. Probably xenos first and then extracting pathogen from them (the failed recreation of the deacon)
I am kinda new to your channel only been watching you guys a couple of weeks but I got to say I just LOVE your content and the genuine reaction and interest in the movies you watch. I even have one headphone in listening to you guys when I’m at work just as entertaining just hearing your content as it is watching along.
Given that there’s a mural of the xenomorph on that engineer sheep in Prometheus, I think it’s safe to say that David didn’t really create the xenomorphs but instead resurrected them. Yeah this movie has quite a few flaws with it but honestly the chestburster scene with David present is a standout for me, it’s such a different take that’s genuinely beautiful compared to all the body horror that we’ve seen before.
The medbay sequence and build up to it is a Top 5 moment in the entire Alien franchise for me. The music is phenomenal and the way it’s directed is so, so good.
The planet they landed on wasnt the planet of the Engineers but on another civilization that the Engineers had created. There is a Theory about who created the Engineers but just a theory based on what we saw in Prometheus. In the cargo room where the Engineers ran into and when the team from Prometheus went inside, they saw head statues of Engineers surrounding and maybe even worshipping a big figure of a Xenomorph. They theory is that a more advanced and smarter race of Xenomorphs had created the Engineers. Then those Xenomorph had died out and now the Engineers were trying to create more Xenomorphs. Like I said, its just a theory.
I've been a franchise fan for over 20 years, and I've never heard of the this theory. The actual theory surrounding the Engineers David destroyed (yes, they are Engineers), is that there are two types of sects of Engineers. There is a militaristic faction, and the monk/aristocratic faction. David ended up destroying the Engineer monks. The warrior engineer sect is the ones who we see in Prometheus. They used the Black Goo to genetically modify themselves, that's why they look like body builders instead of their monk counterparts. The race of aliens that created the Engineers are called Alphas, who created the Engineers and the Yautja, along side other numerous species.
I know this was once made public somewhere, but this was explained in Alien Covenant novel and the art book for the movie. The planet they landed on is really the Engineers home planet, Paradise, and those were really the Engineers. All this mess is thanks to Ridley Scott, who just can't make up his mind about stuff. The rumor as to why these Engineers don't look the same as the ones we've seen in the previous movies is due to the CGI being way too complicated and they just saved time.
I think it's more likely they worship xenomorphs/the deacon creatures because their DNA enabled them to develop genetic technology and control their's and other species evolution. I'm still open to the idea that space jockeys created engineers to be like an "assistant" species, like androids to humans and the space jockeys went extinct leaving engineers to inherit their work. But that idea really makes things a bit convoluted even if it preserves the possibility of space jockeys being a separate and higher race.
For a little more backstory, watch 'The Crossing' from the special features. It bridges the gap a little more between Prometheus and Covenant and shows how David and Shaw's relationship grew. (Noomi features in this) Also with the special features, check out David's Lab scene - shows him 'working' on Shaw's body and explaining his intentions.
Honestly, the film really was entertaining!! Some of the critiques feel very odd, though some have merit but this one is definitely worth checking out!
I know people seemed to hate it, but I kind of love that the crew were just a bunch of scared normal people. They were selected to be leaders of a colony. People to build a community on some barren world, not warriors or badasses. And through this, they were terribly equipped for when they encountered hostile a malicious forces
I think it's pretty reasonable to expect _colonists_ to understand that alien worlds can be pretty dangerous and _some_ sort of protection from contamination might be in order. (no offence but whenever people comment that these guys are supposed to just be normal people I always think "Jeez, you must have a pretty low opinion of 'normal people'" :)
@@anonymes2884I read the novelisation of the movie and was so mad that with maybe three or four lines the book made so many of the characters’ decisions make SO much more sense 😭. Literally ten to twenty seconds worth of exposition fixed so many things.
The stupidity seen in Prometheus is not present in this movie (Prometheus being a science mission filled with experts); these people are literally just colonists; farmers, religious family people, maybe some practical trades among them. Only the captain and nearest crew have any (very limited) idea of what they're getting themselves into (and the real captain turns into a burnt toast before minute 10 lol). It actually makes sense in this movie which I love.
There is a theory that David put one of the embrios inside him becouse the facehugger was on his face for too short. The impregnation process should be quite long based on the og Alien movie.
Im regards to David creating the xenomorphs, no he didn't. The "pathogen" as it was referred to in Aliens: Fireteam Elite is a self-adapting and self-evolving viral mutagen that always comes to a final end-point. All David did was speed up the process of the eventual "final iteration" of this mutagen. The xenomorph already existed, all he did was tinker with a machine that was already in motion and was going to arrive at the same result. He wasnt half as clever as he thought he was. As the xenomorph is called the perfect organism the pathogen is the perfect form of "forced evolutionary virus". It always at some point regardless of outside input or manipulation will end up creating a xenomorph because the xenomorph is the perfect evolutionary survivor.
55:35 the Xenomorphs have visible eye sockets under their dome, so i always asumed that the Xenomorphs worked like the Barreleye, a fish with it's eyes on the inside of it's head, with the xenomorph eyes being black and thus not visible.
Every "Alien" movie: someone gets infected Outside the ship > basically everyone else becomes dumb as they ignore the protocols in place > just let's them back onto the ship, resulting in horror.
From a medical perspective, the last two movies didn't seem to have much in the way of safety protocols. New planet, zero knowledge, let's walk around with no protective covering and breath in all the foreign fungus/ viruses/ bacteria. 🙄
To give the crew of the Covenant some slack they were all couples so I can understand when a loved one is sick you ignore protocols and not think properly.
I really appreciate you guys introducing me to this whole series! I've never seen any of the alien movies until i came across your channel and i love all your reactions! I have to say, i agree with your critiques at the end there, there were a lot of decisions that were completely unrealistic.
Just to clarify, the white aliens in the movie are Neomorphs and the one that keeps looking like a Xenomorph is not actually a Xenomorph, it is a Protomorph
"Not a single braincell in here!" And there it is. That's the movie. This is one of the best looking and best sounding films I ever wanted to LOVE... and I just COULD NOT get over all the dumbass choices these characters make.
UGH YES I’m 25 so when covenant came out I was younger and thought everything that took place in this took place in Prometheus so I was so confused at the ending of the last movie. So happy to see your reaction to this one! Thank y’all! Making my lunch break a whole lot better :) Love, from Tennessee!
To touch on what a lot of people were saying in the previous reaction comments, if the engineer had actually had a paragraph of dialogue to belittle humans, it would’ve taken a lot of mystery out of them. And as much as I would’ve loved that type of exposition, it just doesn’t really feel like it fit in the alien franchise because the alien franchise is supposed to be mysterious in nature, and I guess they deleted the scene of the engineer explaining everything because it just kind of took away the air of mystery.
These aren't particularly Alien-franchise movies, but since there are so few sci-fi horror or thriller movies out there, I'd like to point out a few suspenseful sci-fi recommendations for your channel backlog: - Event Horizon (1997) - Pandorum (2009), probably the most similar to the Alien-atmosphere - Sunshine (2007) *Weyland* It should be known by now that Weyland wasn't always the frontrunner in space from playing Alien: Isolation. There were other competitors like Seegson back in the days that invented viable FTL before Weyland. Seeing how in _Aliens_ the company's called "Weyland-Yutani" it implies that the merger made them a much more competitive player in the field, since those merger names generally mean two big-shots have joined forces. So I don't know how big Weyland was back in the days like in Covenant, considering it's a prequel to the original movie, but we do know that they were ruthlessly pursuing opportunities. The most horrendous realization is that Walter, after being the successor model to David, is eventually being replaced by the model Ash. That really doesn't seem like a better upgrade to me. Sure, Ash was more human in behavior and response, but it had all the ethics and personality of David. Which makes you wonder what Weyland industries thought when they made Ash.
It's what Denise is criticising at the end of this video though : it's kind of going in circles without moving the franchise forward. Romulus is basically a side quest which rehashes stuff from the previous movies, with a lot of fan service and repurposing, and barely anything new (except the beginning of the film, which I wish there was more of).
Thank god it was discarded, these are so bad in writing and characters, only thing good to come out of these films was that it made me realise how good Aliens 1 and 2 where
@@jacobfiddy8285 It's the worst kind of a bad movie for me. It's a dumb movie that tries to trick people into thinking it's some kind of thought-provoking cinema. It's just as dumb as something like Alien: Resurrection, but at least Resurrection knows what it is. Covenant tries to pull the Zack Snyder trick of sprinkling in lofty sounding dialogue with a de-saturated color palette to make the movie feel much more heady than it is. And if you call out how dumb it is it's just because "you're a hater" or "the movie was too smart for you." I love this franchise, even through the low points, but this is the only movie that I completely disassociate with the series. I just want to forget it even exists and hopefully move on to better projects in the future. Or just leave well enough alone and let the franchise retire gracefully.
@@pokes404 exactly, this film was so stupid, with even small details, like having the crew being married couples, just sounds like a stupid thing, as during highly stressful environments the one thing that married couples are not good at is obeying orders from their partners, especially when it comes to life and death, and how some of the best moments of this film where stolen completely from aliens 1 and 2, and also the amount of idiotic desicions that these lot make, it’s so bleak and depressing and annoying when ur rooting for ur cast to die instead of surviving, plus the cgi is below average at a push and the neomorths are stupid and inconsistent with there powers, and the idea to use spores as the infectent makes it seem cheap as it leaves nothing to be fearful of as everything can kill the crew, leaving no suspense as anyone of them could just drop dead
Let's go!!! If you appreciated the prequels, you might like the TV Series "Raised by Wolves", which has been produced by Ridley Scott AFAIK... Sadly, they cancelled it after two seasons. :(
Ohhhh that sounds awesome actually, definitely gonna try and check that out soon! Thanks so much for the recommendation and support, we appreciate you!
There's is only 1 space horror movie left for you to see. "Event Horizon" its stars Sam Neill and Laurence Fishburne. Its one of the very best. A true Gem. Hope you'll pick it up.
Huge fan and i'm so glad I stumbled across your channel. You guys are so insightful and bring the right energy when it comes to enjoying and analyzing film. Just a suggestion but you guys need to watch 'Once Upon A Time In Hollywood' if it already isn't on your list!! Keep doing what y'all do, you're amazing!!!!
So as weird as this is David did not actually create the Xenomorphs. Ridley Scott talks about this a little bit but you’ve got the Xenomorph mural in Prometheus, and the ship from Alien is extremely old. Far older than David. I can’t say much about this since you guys aren’t caught up but essentially David just recreated them.
I was surprised how little I remembered of this movie, but I was a much bigger scaredy cat back in the day. It is NOT a horrible movie, I enjoyed watching it again with you two! It also got me psyched for Alien: Romulus!
The scene with the alien coming out of the dudes back in the med bay has to be the MOST AGGRIVATING moment in movie history. SSSoooooo many goofy bad decisions; like who tf slips on the blood....TWICE?!?! looses the gun; GETS the foot crushed in the door....SHOOTS the explosive tanks....
David, in his own hubris, believed he engineered the Xenos. He didn't. The Engineers weaponized the Xeno DNA. David just helped it go back to its original form. The Xenomorphs are thousands of years old. AVP shows us that. The ship in Alien was thousands if years old as well.
*Prometheus* would've been a better movie if it wasn't supposed to be a xenomorph prequel. And *Covenant* disappointed the hėll out of me. Where did xenomorphs come from? The butler... erm, android... did it! 😣 It seemed to me that Ridley Scott wanted to have an arty dark-scifi "think about it" movie, but also wanted to pick up *Alien* loose ends, and tried to combine them. IMO, they should've been left separate. The Predator movies already established xenomorph existence way before these two movies' timeline. (Even if you want to ignore the two *AvP* movies, *Predator 2* had a xenomorph skull on the trophy wall of the spaceship.) A lot of people like to ignore the AvP movies, and not count them as canon. Me? I do not count these two movies as canon -- Ridley Scott or no Ridley Scott. His sole "ownership" of the xenomorphs ended when Carpenter did *Aliens* ; the xenoverse, so to speak, opened up past him.
I would consider these two RE-IMAGININGS. Like, they are not canon, obviously, but if we start on the assumptions that they are not canon, and that they are inspired by a filmmakers previous works, then it becomes a lot more easier to find what's good about these movies, because you are no longer distracted by the inconsistency with canon. That's what I do.
Yes, that is a good point. But even as reimaginings, these two still suffer from being two different movie themes -- the whole Engineers thing, the search for humanity's beginnings, the search for meaning, etc; and the xenoverse with the *Alien* movies -- crammed together into one movie arc. But yes -- when I watch these two, *Prometheus* and *Covenant* -- I just disregard the whole "xenomorph tie-in" factor, and watch them for the rest. (Or rather, when I rewatch *Prometheus* ; I still find *Covenant* to be disjointed and disappointing, and haven't rewatched except for reaction videos.)
My favorite thing in Prometheus carries over into this film and it's my favorite bit in this one as well, issue with the off-screen killing off of Shaw aside. We get to see David be a proper Dr. Frankenstein, tinkering around in his morbid-ass lab following a sort of design plan to achieve his "perfect creation" of new life. Though instead of being horrified by his success, he marvels at even his stepping stones toward that goal. Then of course ultimately culminating in him revealing himself to be onboard the covenant at the end, with a new lab and now more test subjects to further his work. I'm a little disappointed we likely won't see David's story concluded to that end though. It still feels weird to see that in an alien film, but it's definitely my favorite detail even if it feels maybe a bit high on itself at times. Dude was absolutely unhinged in the worst way possible and it was the plot element I couldn't get enough of in these prequels.
You wanted body horror? 25:48 - here ya go! 30:14 Meet the Neomorph...i'nt he CUTE? 🥰 38:03 "What is that, if not love?" "Duty." "I know better 😏." _(Because I'm a better and more experienced liar than you could hope to be.)_
“Expectations can be the death of enjoyment.” Great insight, Denise. I watched both ‘Prometheus’ and ‘Alien: Covenant’ in the theater and highly anticipated both films as the marketing went into full swing for each film. The general negativity towards ‘Prometheus’ after its release was pretty intense. The movie industry can be a ruthless, monetizing shitshow (kind of like Weyland-Yutani haha). The hype for Prometheus was huge, and there was an expensive, elaborate marketing campaign. When people’s sky-high expectations weren’t met (and you throw in a scene in which a biologist tries to sillily bond with what Quintin Tarantino dubbed a “space cobra”) and the film’s themes diverted from the perception that this would be more of a direct prequel to Alien (Fox’s marketing responsible for a lot of that arguably). From what I’ve read about Alien: Covenant, it appears that the film would feel somewhat compromised from the very beginning. Prometheus didn’t make quite as much money as hoped, and a lot of people didn’t like the film. This is speculation on my part, but it feels like in order to get Alien: Covenant made, Ridley Scott and Fox had to butt heads and reach some lukewarm compromises. I think among those compromises was to jettison a lot of the feelings around Prometheu. How do you that (even if this inevitably compromises the creative integrity of the film to be made)? Get rid of Shaw, bring back the alien monster and horror, and (thankfully), use the strongest attribute of Prometheus-David-and essentially put the weight of the movie on Fassbender’s Atlas-sized shoulders. Alien: Covenant was destined for many movie fans to be a mixed bag, regarding continuity to Prometheus’s storyline; I understand the frustrations. Again, expectations (a proper sequel to or conclusion to Prometheus) were not met. Personally, in my experience, when my expectations for a film are subverted in a negative way, Imrewatch the movie several times to recalibrate and accept the story that is presented to us. From there, I can then focus on what the filmmaker (Ridley Scott) was trying to do with these stories. I love that these prequels veered from Alien but stayed in the “universe.” I love the themes explored by Ridley-creation, origin of life and sentient life, artificial intelligence, faith and science, and so on. I absolutely find David to be a fantastic and fascinating character-and a great villain. I wish we could have had a third film to conclude David’s story and properly bookend these prequels. The special features on the Covenant Blu-ray have this amazing sequence in which David sends a message to Weyland Corp and among other things, makes it clear that he’s in charge of the ship Covenant. It’s such an exciting and tantalizing tidbit that makes me wish we had a third movie made (and I loved the characters of Daniels and Tennessee; they got the shaft even worse than Shaw). I haven’t seen Romulus yet. I heard rumors that there may be some connections made to Alien: Covenant. I hope there’s something. Anyway, please forgive my rambling. Ari and Denise, I’m really glad I found your channel. I love your reactions and engrossing discussions/analyses. You two make a good team. Thanks for doing what you do.
NO DAVID DIDN'T CREATE THE XENO NO MATTER WHAT RIDLEY SAYS!! He's literally ruined his legacy with this film and arrogantly tried to take ownership of the Alien franchise. Disney/Fox essentially dumped him after Covanant. Fede Álvarez said he disagreed with Ridley Scott about how the Alien came to be... he described it as primordial so ancient basically.
Maaaann I'm driving the tractor n watched yalls prometheus reaction n I got notification that yall just uploaded covenant. I'm stoked. Yall are on yalls best game with upload timing 😎
That’s good to hear…you can’t make your characters incompetent. It’s so much more interesting to see them put up a good fight and use their creativity or logic to get out of a sticky situation.
The teenagers in Romulus instead have characters telling them exactly what they need to do and access to more advanced tech than characters have 40 or so years afterwards.... The whole movie's like a videogame tutorial.
Watch the short film titled Alien Covenant: The Crossing. That delves into David and Shaw. I wish they had included that in the movie tbh. Hopefully with Alien Romulus seeing so much box office success, 20th Century Studios decides to let Ridley finish his prequel trilogy and maybe even just move forward with the story as well. Whether we get an Alien 5 with Ripley 8 on Earth or a follow up to Romulus, I'm game for more Alien.
This movie was basically an overcorrection. After Prometheus there were a lot of complaints that there wasn't enough Xeno in the movie about the supposed "origins" of the Xenomorphs And sadly, it suffers because of it. Instead of taking the cool stuff from Prometheus (it ain't perfect but there are some really cool ideas in it) it basically killed everything that Prometheus did and just focused more on shock. The characters make some of the dumbest decisions in movie history (Instead of this planet that we carefully canvassed for years and have been traveling for years to, let's land on a planet we know nothing about. On top of that, let's not wear ANY protection!) and also makes absolutely no sense in terms of how the proto-aliens are formed (just some black gas from some plants entering an ear canal or a nose) There are some good themes in Covenant too but it's just overshadowed by all the stupidity and non-sensicalness. Visually spectacular. I promise you, Alien Romulus is MUCH better. Not perfect either, but genuinely feels like a proper sequel to Alien.
welp there you have it. People complain, filmmakers listen to fans but the FANS don't know what they want. They are just sheep being fed like baby birds.
As a fan of the Alien series, and someone who generally tries to focus on the good aspects of any movie I watch, I absolutely HATE this film. I hate the story, I hate the new characters, I hate how many insanely dumb decisions are made (apparently no one in this film has any kind of self-preservation instincts), I hate the unceremonious end for Shaw (one of the good aspects of Prometheus that I enjoyed), the Xeno looks terrible and is shown WAY too much, I hate the idea of David creating the Aliens, etc. Fastbender is very good in both roles, and it's the only stuff in here that I actually like. But the good-to-bad ratio is swung so far in one direction that there's no saving it for me.
@OfficialMediaKnights im glad you guys see how bad the characters were written in these movies compared to the original 2. Can't believe anyone would let them go into space 😂🤣. And they should've let the deleted scenes with James franco as captain play out in the beginning.
The major issue is that the prequels were supposed to be epics of discovery but the studio wanted more Xenomorphs. So the sentiment that you guys even expressed of wanting more monsters is what killed the movies. Prometheus was considered "too boring" cause not enough monsters...and Covenant was the studio's answer. More monsters, more action... But at the cost of the lore that some people wanted. In concept art, there's SO MUCH Engineer lore that was just abandoned because the studio bent to the idea of "more monsters".
When Ridley Scott makes a movie god flips coin, and sadly it landed on tails. He thought it would be a clever and terrifying idea if David was the one that actually invented the final form of the Xenomorphs but narratively and canonically it doesn’t make any sense at all.
You guys are too harsh on this movie. We know about Xenos . They didn’t. That’s why that woman hugged the guy convulsing. Because she’s thinking about compassion, not Xenos because SHE DOESNT KNOW THEY EXIST. People really abandon logic in search or logic. A monster is coming towards the woman and I myself wouldn’t be thinking about the ship. You guys and other people complain that they weren’t prepared but, prepared for what? Monsters? They don’t know about them. As far as we know, there aren’t any other creatures out there so why being so scared of the reading say the planet is viable for humans. People love to think that they would do better but perhaps you guys would suck too. One of the details that was left out from the original story of Prometheus is that Vickers hired unqualified people to sabotage her father’s mission. She was jealous of the relationship Peter Weyland had with David. Weyland didn’t love her daughter the way he did his own creation. The original story was severely changed. Prometheus is pretty awesome. I’d like to add that getting a definitive answer to those questions about creation might’ve had a negative effect because we may not get an answer that make perfect sense because being alive just doesn’t make sense. We’re just alive 🤷🏻♂️ However, we did pose a threat to the world because our makers realized we also were capable of creation but we’re dangerous because we killed our messiah. I’m not making this up.
Imo, Predators is a sleeper that so many people missed! I really loved it because it gave us another perspective on how the Predator plays its game. Also there's some great nods to the original. Just like the nods Prey gave to the original. Also my opinions are based solely on the Predator franchise, not any AVPs.
you might appreciate the extras,David sends a coded transmissions to the Weyland corporation detailing his experiments refining the xenomorph, and all sort of extra footage explaining crew psyche etc,there is also deleted extended alternate scenes for prometheus where the engineer and weyland converse through David ,i enjoyed your reactions to both movies ,keep up the good work
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David didnt create the xeno's. The ship in ALIEN with the eggs was thousands of years old. In Prometheus there was the mural on the ceiling that showed an alien egg, and the xeno statue thing on the wall, both set before this film obviously.
David was staying in the 'hall of records' on the Covenant planet. If yuo notice there were huge scrolls on massive shelves and all over the place. David just used those scrolls to create the eggs and Xeno's in this film.
The engineers created the xeno's a LONG time ago as a weapon.
Yup, this is my take as well. David didn't create anything, he just worked backwards and undid what the Engineers did and "created" something resembling the original organism.
@@OperatorKain I mean its not my take as such. Scott himself not that long ago in an interview said that David didnt create them. He should of made it more clear in this film though. Maybe it did in some cut scene.
You never know with Scott though, he's so entrenched in the 'sleepwalking' stage of his career that he probably forgot all about the engineer ship in ALIEN, and the egg mural and xeno statue in Prometheus lol.
And i think the 'hall of records' was mentioned in a cut scene, or in an interview. You can clearly see the huge scrolls all over the place, on massive shelves, and where David was experimenting. Agin the film should of made it more clear thats what David was doing though, back engineering in a sense.
Before Prometheus, we all thought the xenomorphs are an alien species that evolved on their home planet xenomorph prime
@@pabcu2507 Which i preferred to be honest. I always remember many years ago when there were a lot of rumours going around about Cameron doing ALIEN 5 and it was going to be marines going to the alien homeworld to wipe them out once and for all. Instead years later we get Prometheus.
@@mastes1 AVP 3 was gonna be a film set on the alien home world with predators fighting a hive of aliens (and a alien king) while a group of weyland yutani mercenaries or colonial marines joining in on the fight as well
Came for the Prometheus answers, stayed for the Fassbender on Fassbender action.
Lollll the Fassbender on Fassbender thing was certainly a moment worthy of remembering 😂
David was a major positive from Prometheus (and the engineer lore)...so they just said "let's add TWO Davids" lol. Basically the only reason to watch this movie...love the scene where David nukes the engineer's other race
@@funtourhawk According to Alien Covenant novel and the art book for the movie, those were Engineers themselves on their homeworld, Paradise. There goes Ridley Scott, he's just all over the place.
@@OfficialMediaKnights waiting for your reaction to Jurassic World 3
@@OfficialMediaKnights Are we talking about the kiss?
Quickest James Franco cameo ever
Quickest paycheck 😂
I think the one in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes was shorter. James Franco didn't even know he was in the movie coz they used archive footage from the first movie lol.
@@ellehcimbelle wtf😂😂😂
@@OfficialMediaKnights The Covenant crew were in a series of webisodes prior to the release of the film. Not a huge fan of that. Time should be spent building characters in the film. Saying that, most of the crew were so stupid. Frustrating writing.
He was really on fire in this one!
After hearing David said: "You will die. I will not." Weyland gave an upset response: "Bring me this tea."
In the previous film that took place after, when Charlize Theron failed to get her answer from David, David teased her by asking: "A cup of tea?".
Oh wow
A line that stuck with me regarding these movies (Prometheus, Alien: Covenant) is this:
"These movies are set in the Alien universe, but they are the story of David". Idk but that line opened me up to a heap of understanding for some of the overarching decisions made by Ridley Scott with regards to the story he wants to tell when I first heard it.
still sucks how he's done it because Shaw was a really good character for the franchise
@@eu_o_andy True. I highly disagree with a lot of Scott's decisions with regards to the prequel films, but I am also an extremely weak sucker for grand ideas, even if executed poorly.
I just had a epiphany. I really enjoyed watching this movie and then it hit me!!! you edited this & as far as I am aware, no one has ever given you props for the way you present these episodes. They are shorter versions of a movie but it's still got the detail in there even with large chunks missing and you kept me grip till the end. You guys are unbelievable❤
Yah one reason why I like these two is they know how to edit down their reactions while still including the story beats they intuitively just know we would be watching for. Top tier reactors. Nuclear.
I wish Ridley Scott would have ended his trilogy. It's such a shame he wasn't given the opportunity to do so. The themes addressed in Prometheus were so fascinating to me as well.
Absolutely agreed, we would have loved to see how it all plays out in the end. Such a shame!
I love your reactions, guys! By the way! I think you are my favourite reactors: thoughtful, honest, engaged while watching and empathetic@@OfficialMediaKnights ❤
It was for good, ridley destroy the lore and give us a crappy origin.
I'm not on board with some of the choices these movies made... still, it always leaves me unsatisfied when a Story is left open-ended. In other words: I prefer Trilogies over Duologies.
@@Richardwho-vv5bh Then just don't watch it. Let the people who enjoy it enjoy it
EVERY lifeform in Covenant:
1.) The Motes (aka Insects, Plants, Spores)
2.) The Bloodbursters (aka Baby Neos, Fetus, Larvae, Neo-Newborns, Newborns)
I. The Backburster
II. The Mouthburster
3.) The Neomorphs
4.) The Ovomorphs (aka Praeto-Eggs)
5.) The Praetohuggers
6.) The Praetoburster (aka Baby Praeto, Praeto-Newborn, Praeto-Infant, Imp)
7.) The Praetomorphs (aka Stalkers)
8.) The Planet 4 Humanoids - an unnamed race of humanoids that resembled The Engineers we saw in Prometheus but have since been confirmed to be one of their creations, like us humans.
9.) Silly Humans
@jordanmatthewstelck you need mama praetomorph in there - kind of like the queen bee is seperate from worker bees - and then after humans, insane ai robots lol but excellent list evolution!
Thank You for this list. Can you also give us a list of where in time and what movie do we so these creatures. Too much work, sorry
Didn't mean to nitpick but it's 'ovomorphs' 👍
Too much going on. Needed to be WAAAAY slimmed down and less pretentious.
I am sorry but isn't the "Praetomorphs" actually Protomorphs ?
Losing Shaw off camera was kinda like losing Hicks and Newt off screen at the beginning of Alien 3.
Lazy writing.
Even worst, Shaw was the lead in Prometheus, that would've been like Alien 3 killing Ripley
I wish they would have had one flashback scene of Shaw and David finding the planet but yea kinda lame I hate offscreen deaths
@@ryans413 that scene actually does exist, it's a deleted scene in the special features
I love how 'doing an Alien 3' is now shorthand for killing established, well-liked characters for no reason other than to engineer a different plot. It was dumb in Alien 3 and it's dumb here too.
I spent more time hiding in lockers in Alien Isolation than I care to admit...... yet here I am.......🤣🤣🤣
Let’s go! Locker Gang ❤️😂
@@OfficialMediaKnights when is second alien versus Predators or next predator moive witch I think is called Predators when will that be?
@@jamesisaacson6379keen to see " wolf" again hope it happens 🙏🏾
@@jamesisaacson6379Bruh retype ya comment you sound slow 😂
This wasn’t going to be the way it ended but the third movie was canceled. But alien Romulus connects these movies with the originals so… Stay off the narrative of this movie and just enjoy it.
It's such a shame they never finished this storyline - as flawed as some moments were, it would have been great to see how it all is summed up.
We're gonna cover Romulus when it comes out on Digital and we're super excited to see it!
I'm not sure that's entirely correct.
But I kinda hope the new movie's relative success (financial if not creative) will mean we get another one or two that tie up things.
@@smiffy68 to me the movie was just okay, it was nothing but nostalgia for 1-3 and barely moved the story forward by the end . Alot of the plot points where predictable as hell
@@OfficialMediaKnights Would be great to see your reaction to M Knight Shymalan's movie franchise which is the Unbreakable universe - Unbreakable, Split and Glass
@@OfficialMediaKnights I don’t disagree I was really looking forward to it but I can tell you… Having seen it… Romulus really does bridge the gap and does a fantastic job of connecting the entire saga. Can’t wait for that thing to release so you can watch it :-)
54:16 it wasn’t david that brought something to the ship it was the guy who got the facehugger on him but was able to get it off, the one who’s face didn’t melt all the way. even though they got the facehugger off him it was still able to implant the egg in him. You can see him on the floor of the medbay with his chest open
True, apparently facehuggers can nut in a second and impregnate you now, whereas it took hours before. Nothing in this movie makes sense, absolutely NOTHING. And Romulus does the same shit, thanks to Riddley injecting his bullshit in the script.
I didn't get that (the guy looked more torn to shreds than chest-bursted imho), but it makes sense, except the common issue with the Xeno growing into adulthood in like 15 seconds 😂 When I watched it I just assumed it snuck aboard somehow. It wouldn't have made sense for David to bring it aboard and then help the crew get rid of it.
@@Renoistic David was trying to gain their trust, he would be able to finish his plan when they're all in hypersleep.
I'm one of the few people who defends this film, it has flaws but still has some thought-provoking themes.
Absolutely! There’s some enjoyment to be had with every single one of these films 😃
The effects and some of the kills are amongst the coolest in the franchise. And David ❤️ How wonderfully diabolical he was.
I have the same issue as prometheus that the crews are morons.
Yeah, you're one of the few lol I like Prometheus, though
No, it's the Die Hard that has some flaws but this movie is a complete disaster containing dumbest characters the world of cinematography has ever seen. If you want thought-provoking themes, it's better to read smt from Sheakspeare. Don't think the Alien franchise's supposed to bear it.
This is without a doubt Michael Fassbender's movie , That beginning scene with him and a very underrated and brilliant Guy Pearce set the tone for the whole movie , and this movie was the ultimate manifestation of Ridley Scott's philosophy, the guy hates humanity with passion, and it really shows in this movie😂.
Dude is playing out his fear of death in real time through his films.
Ridley Scott must think scientist(especially humans) are idiots in his view.
Just to clarify: Prometheus landed on LV-223, Nostromo landed on LV-426, the two alien ships they saw were not the same. Chances are the engineers set out many outposts to weaponize the black goo, but eventually they all got out of control and died.
The whole ALIEN franchise is about human beings dealing with the mess left by the engineers, much like how human trying to survive in the Wasteland of Mad Max, we don't need the detail of how the world became what it is, we just need to see how they deal with the leftovers.
My theory about the Derelict from the original Alien is that, since it was on LV-426 - a moon orbiting the same planet as LV-223 where Prometheus took place - is that he was transporting those eggs to LV-223 where the Plagiarus Praepotens (the black embryonic substance that facehuggers inject into their hosts, in essence, the baby Xenomorph) would be extracted from the Facehuggers and processed into the black goo bio weapon/Pathogen (this explains why all organisms that spawn from the black goo seem to be "Xenomorphic" in nature - they're sort of genetic offshoots of the same highly mutable organism). But unfortunately for that particular Engineer, one Facehugger got out and infected him. So he settled on the nearby moon of LV-426 and sent a message to his comrades that the cargo had been compromised and not to come rescue him.
In this interpretation of events, David did not in fact create the Xenomorph but rather reverse engineered it from the Pathogen. The Xenomorph could then be interpretated as a creature that evolved out of nature, and the Engineers discovered it, learned that its highly adaptable biology could be used as a foundation for biotechnology, and consequently built their civilization and culture around genetic engineering (which is why there's a mural dedicated to a Xenomorph-like creature - perhaps the Deacon - in the temple in Prometheus. The Engineers may revere it to some extent as progenitor of their entire society).
With regards to Alien: Covenant, there's a lot I like about the film. There's also a lot that I find frustrating. However, this head canon helps deal with a lot of the inconsistencies and leaps in logic the film has us as an audience make when relating it to the other films in the franchise. Without spoiling things for the new film, Alien: Romulus sort of backs up this idea that, if we consider the Xenomorph and the Pathogen as a sort of chicken/egg question, the chicken probably came first.
Very spot on summary and run down. I hope in future movies or in another comic series (after fire and stone/life and death) we get a depiction of the ancient xeno/deacon entity that the Engineers discovered. I know some people want the xenomorph we know to be as it was in the past, but consider that until a more recent point in history they'd never had human hosts. Also, I know some people hate this idea but I do like that some kind of original organism exists and due to humans, engineers or whoever else messing and experimenting with them they caused an evolution that was too dangerous, nature biting back so to speak.
This is more or less my headcanon too.
That's actually a good idea on the backstory in the movies.
I might add that there were other temples on LV-223 that didn't get explored by the crew of the Prometheus. I like to think that if those additional temples were to be explored, they would have found a chamber with a bunch of Xenomorph Eggs in statis. They may have also found the actual factory/manufacturing plant that would extract the Plagiarus Praepotens from the Facehuggers, refine it into the Pathogen, and despoit it into the Vases.
The birth of the Neomorph (white Alien) and one of the most distressing and disgusting scenes in the saga.
the blue eyed devil?
which scene?
@@benguenscheThat's a "Pitch Black" reference.
@@Robert_Douglass pitch black is a great movie! I was making a tongue-in-cheek reference to that guy lou farrakhan’s wacky ideas
They should watch PITCH BLACK. That would be a great reaction. It’s a real gem of a film.
44:30 Technically, this is not the Xenomorph XX121 as we've come to know them. At the time of filming this species was designated the Protomorph. Later, nearer the release of Alien Romulus, it became known as the Praetomorph. If the Xenomorph XX121 has the taxonomic designation of _linguafoeda acheronsis,_ then this would be either _linguafoeda quatroplanetaris_ for "Foul Tongue of Planet Four" or _linguafoeda primus_ for "First Foul Tongue".
This movie was the first time I ever walked out of a theater completely disappointed. The movie talks down to the audience throughout the movie, the biggest example of which was making us think that Walter beat David after they fought but then “surprise” it was David all along. And the movie actually retroactively corrects itself after the release saying the alien we see in the end is not the Xenomorph but something called the “Praetomorph”.
Wait why? So what’s the difference between this and a Xenomorph? I’m so confused now 😂
@@OfficialMediaKnightsXenomorphs are the biological perfection made by the Engineers as a bioweapon. Praetomorphs, Neomorphs and the other types are essentially the rough drafts.
@@OfficialMediaKnightsthe og Xenos have biomechanical body. The one in this movie didnt. He was only from "flesh"
If there was a "correction" after release it's obviously not the movie "correcting itself". Personally I have little interest in the difference. The Xenos will just make any messed up hybrid the writers come up with and that's fine.
@@Renoistic no it shows lack of forethought and a carelessness of the canon and source material.
Fun fact: it's best to just consider these "prequels" as just spinoffs instead of an origin story for Xenomorph. David doesn't create the first Xenomorph. He just figures out the formula to create a Xenomorph through The Engineers materials and cookbooks. Even as you guys see in this movie, "The Protomorphs" aren't nearly as intelligent but more animalistic than the Xenomorphs. They straight up just kill and use a direct mean to deal with preys. Unlike the Xenomorphs that tends to use stealth and ambush tactics, also kills but sometimes drags certain number to build nest and eggmorph
Bingo. Further backed by Alien Romulus and the ALIEN RPG by Free League. As well as the mural and alter in Prometheus' 'Head room'.
Thank you for pointing this out! So many people get confused on this.
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Uuuhm.............................if you watch the deleted scenes from this film you will know that David actually DID create the first Xenomorphs. That's what's sooo shocking about it: they were developed by a narcasistic Weyland robot with a god complex. You can clearly see in Prometheus that the engineer doesn't even recognise the trilobite as a giant facehugger. And if the engineers did create them then why was their homeworld not infested by it before it got genocided by David !?. Just saying.
@@schlock159David can't have created them because they've been around for at least thousands of years as stated by AVP, the idea that no matter how indirectly humans are the reason these creatures are around is extremely narcissistic.
That moment of deflation when they saw Elizabeth's mutilated corpse is hilarious
From the visionary director who taught you that taking off your helmet on an alien world on day 1 is sound science, now teaches you after further study that you don't need one at all.
"Don't open that! It's an alien planet! Is there AAIIIIRRR???!!! YOU DON'T KNOW!"
Seems okay.
For more context out of the previous film the best you could do is see the deleted scene where David and the Engineer talked. If you youtube search prometheus explained, you might see a 90 second interview Tarantino did about Prometheus. If you type prometheus explained acidglow, you might find some of the best explanations on youtube for that movie.
That's amazing thank you so much for sharing this with us, we're definitely gonna check it out!!
@@OfficialMediaKnights try reacting to the movie The Rundown
@@OfficialMediaKnights you guys should also watch Wayland TED talk, and Alien: Covenant [Prologue: The Crossing], they are both right on YT.
The reason these movies don't jive with the original is because Scott never wanted to make another Alien movie. He was originally shopping around to produce a movie he wanted to do based on the book "Chariot of the Gods" This book was the first major work that put forward the "Alien Astronaut Theory." In which it is theorized that we humans were either created or influenced by aliens. Our old gods being aliens and what not. No studio was interested. Fox gave him a deal, that they would fund this movie, under the condition it would take place in the Alien franchise, so they could advertise "The director that started it all returns!" Once you realize what these movies aren't (Alien movies) and what they are (Chariot of the Gods) it all started to make more sense.
It would be okay, but now Alien is forever tainted with the stupidity of black goo and bald gym aliens.
Which confirms that Prometheus and Covenant have no place in the Alien canon, thanks.
honestly, i could watch an entire movie of guy pierce and michael fassbender as david and weyland.
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15:15 "Time to go in and see what the hell is calling". That's exactly what is calling. Hell.
The fact they decided to explore the planet with no suits on is ridiculous. Even if they checked the air quality and saw there's plenty of O2, how are you not gonna take potential pathogens into account?
Personally I disagree with this criticism a little bit. From my understanding they weren't trained. They weren't scientists and also they scanned the planet for oxygen levels and it was fine which is why they assumed it would be okay. The crew in Prometheus was far more stupid to take their helmets off on a new planet and they were all scientists and/or qualified for the mission.
The crew of Convenant were not scientists or equipped for what they discovered. They were meant to simply be a ship crew. Basically they were glorified Babysitters for the scientists and experts who were in cryo-sleep.
In other words the Covenant crew was inexperienced and were not considering these things. As opposed to the Prometheus crew who took off their helmets inside an Alien structure without knowing what was in there (That was dumb)
@@granddaddyotaku636disagree. Some on the covenant were absolutely scientists. The woman collecting water samples and even labeling the samples was a clear indicator that at least some on this mission was equipped to study environments.
@@granddaddyotaku636it's basic common sense...
@@granddaddyotaku636I agree with you.
@@idiot_city5444 I just disagree with the idea that they were somehow experts and capable of understanding what they were up against. There can be flaws in terms of the movie itself that we can discuss but I won't really change my mind in regards to the crew's intelligence or lack of. To each their own. I just feel like the criticism with regards to their intelligence seems a bit illogical and presumptuous, considering these are the first few decades of human space travel and this specific crew was not meant to be doing a science expedition. They were novices in these sorta situation. If anything, their biggest flaw was their hubris in thinking they could handle it. Specifically the acting Captain who wanted to prove he could lead and ended up getting his ppl killed.
Also keep in mind, it's only common sense in hindsight. We knew the dangers because we know what movie we are in. But since they had no reason to assume it was dangerous there, their assumptions, though misguided, were very human. A trained science expedition should however take precautions, which is why I think the Prometheus team was a lot dumber. Since they kept ignoring precautions. The covenant crew was merely doing a quick recon of the planet and ended up in a situation they didn't expect or prepare for.
I'm not saying the movie is perfect, but this point I'm just not in agreement with.
Currently going through a bad bout of depression so this reaction was so uplifting & a great tonic.
Ari & Denise always give great reactions & there love for movies shines in every video they do plus there post movie discussions are always informative & on point & you are one of my favourite reaction channels.
My main gripe with this movie was killing Shaw even worse off screen, I think it was a wasted opportunity to explore her & David's relationship & felt there was a lot more to her character.
Worth noting, the planet David killed wasn’t the Engineer home world.
It was another seed world like Earth-A species crafted by the Engineers. As you may have seen, the ones David brought genocide upon were not very technically advanced.
I refuse to believe the xenos came from David. If you think back their was a statue of one in prometheus, I think David was just following a recipe or how to make these creatures from the engineers.
The mural depicts the first Deacon, which the engineers worship as a god because it's blood was used to save their species. You see the first Deacons blood being used by the engineer in the very beginning of Prometheus (gold tint). The engineers on the planet the explorers find are attempting to bioengineer more Deacon blood because they have exhausted their supply. The result is the black goo. So David created the xenomorph as we know it, but the original god-like creature found by the engineers was the Deacon.
@@orthodoxazealian7566 and we see this deacon blood where in the canon?
@@ryanotorpedoin the very first scene of Prometheus. The engineer ingests the blood and then disintegrates, which is different from the effect of the black goo.
@@orthodoxazealian7566 he drinks a saucer of it dr. Holloway had a small drop of it which was still effecting his DNA. my question is where do we see or get any proof of the deacon blood? Also the mural shows a more rounded front whereas the deacon is more pointed like a beak.
@@ryanotorpedo the extended information about the Deacon comes straight from the script, which has been published. They cut a bunch of scenes out of the movie including one where David reads the writing on the walls and the face in the room with black goo jars. Also, there are actually 3 murals in that room. One depicts a engineer sacrificing himself by allowing the trilobite (weird tentacl-y creature) to impregnate him with the Deacon. The black goo is not a perfect reproduction of the Deacons blood, which is why it is so destructive.
So what do you guys think? Should they have finished the trilogy or was it better to jump ship and focus on another story instead?
It would have been great if Ridley was allowed to finish his Prequel trilogy(personally I enjoyed both Prometheus and Covenant) but still Romulus managed to tie these two prequels to original Alien and I must say that it works even without the third movie.
Couldn't have been worse than Alien 3! I'd have watched it. I haven't seen Alien Romulus yet but the alien in this one felt so alive and scary. I kind of avoided watching this one again but I got it finished today. I enjoyed it more this time around. My new controller came in the mail so I'm gonna play Alien Isolation tonight. It's overcast today too, so good for the atmosphere.
Never been part of the crowd hating on Prometheus, I was just hesitant to like this one because it's so bleak. Aliens is probably the one that came closest to a happy ending, but while that isn't the point of space horror, it can be a reason why I go back to a film over and over.
@IgorMuratikov Absolutely no. We have NO CLUE what David does after covenant and if he's still alive and if not what ends him. We have NO CLUE whether weyland is green lighting what David is doing and purposefully sent the covenant ship to David so he has thousands to experiment with. We don't know if Walter a fan favourite character is still alive and what he does after or if he wakes up woth all of David's info and "lab" work. Does Daniels have a chance of survival, what of Tennessee etc. A lot of questions are still unanswered and Romulus doesn't change that.
Those two movies shouldn't have been made in the first place. They ask questions that we didn't ask for and that they aren't able to answer properly. Sometimes it's better not to know where the creature comes from : it adds to the mystery and the myth.
This movie did to Elizabeth Shaw what Alien 3 did with Newt and Hicks. Which was one of the exact things fan had a huge problem with in that movie. It basically made the previous movies traumas and triumphs pointless. And it was a glaring indicator that they had written themselves into a corner and took they cheap and easy way out
Yep. And they remain the 3 hardest deaths to stomach (pun intended) in the. Entire. Franchise.
Cool reaction! 120:50 Great point Denise! When I first saw this following Prometheus, felt a bit let down from not doing more with where Prometheus left off, yet over the years when I've rewatched, I enjoyed it more. Had the time to led go of any expectation of what the film "should" or could've been
Oh and James Franko played the Captain that burnt up in the fire. Just had to subscribe again, thanks TH-cam
Yesss, so it was him!! Thanks for subscribing again haha, TH-cam at it again!
@@OfficialMediaKnights I think y'all should try reacting to some martial arts movies, these are often overlooked. I dont think anyone has reacted to Kiss of the Dragon till now. Try reacting to that next
@@OfficialMediaKnights After this, you'll definitely want to watch Alien Romulus because it ties elements from all the Alien films so beautifully... There was even a novel that gave the other stages of the Xenomorph life cycle their own taxonomic nomenclature, which was used in Romulus.
!!! Oh, I wasn't sure but thanks for the confirmation
@@robinjakobsson1061Robin, you know we can see all your comments here, right? What's the de with calling people corny for no reason? It's weird.
Also a little detail, Denise was actually correct with the final xeno looking different. This one is called the protomorph and it is more muscular and animalistic, making it slightly more primitive than the xenomorphs we know as their anatomy is way more biomechanical. Also the white ones are called neomorphs.
It just irritates me to an extreme degree that they go out on an unknown planet without at least some sort of space suit/hazard equipment.
Wasn't it like "it's similar to earth"
Scientists in this universe don’t know what airborne pathogens are apparently. Breathable air or not…does not make it ok to just head out with no helmet on.
@OfficialMediaKnights the only thing that saved it for me, really was having a certain frame of mind for it. The original alien is like the original Friday the thirteenth slasher film. And covenant would absolutely be equal to one of it's shitty sequels with a much higher body count, stupid teenagers making terrible decisions, and titties.
Weakest Alien script ever...
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Brilliantly executed by Ridley, as usual.
@@tygerchickchibi On earth human beings have evolved with earth pathogens/germs for millennia. On another planet your immune system won't have any clue when it comes to dealing with any disease it encounters. A hazmart suit would definitely be a must-have. It was a really stupid and unnecessary plot hole that could have been fixed easily.
Poor Walter, I think he's aware and perceptive to a degree but clearly isn't as homicidal as David
But I think the 'sentience' as it were was stronger in David nothing can quite put the life and power into something as outpacing death.
The xenomorph is the final result of the engineers's (failed?) experience to recreate their god's blood. Life incarnate, a perfect bioweapon, the ultimate punishment.
Partially head canon since the lords blood is from a fake script. A fake script however that could still be proven to be true though. I like the idea that the ancient deacon creature that is an ancestor to xenomorphs was a one in a million species or creature. Somehow they died or ran out of the original source of it's version of black goo and in the effort to recreate it they created the more chaotic violent pathogen and/or xenormorphs more as we know them. Probably xenos first and then extracting pathogen from them (the failed recreation of the deacon)
I am kinda new to your channel only been watching you guys a couple of weeks but I got to say I just LOVE your content and the genuine reaction and interest in the movies you watch. I even have one headphone in listening to you guys when I’m at work just as entertaining just hearing your content as it is watching along.
Given that there’s a mural of the xenomorph on that engineer sheep in Prometheus, I think it’s safe to say that David didn’t really create the xenomorphs but instead resurrected them. Yeah this movie has quite a few flaws with it but honestly the chestburster scene with David present is a standout for me, it’s such a different take that’s genuinely beautiful compared to all the body horror that we’ve seen before.
The medbay sequence and build up to it is a Top 5 moment in the entire Alien franchise for me. The music is phenomenal and the way it’s directed is so, so good.
The planet they landed on wasnt the planet of the Engineers but on another civilization that the Engineers had created.
There is a Theory about who created the Engineers but just a theory based on what we saw in Prometheus.
In the cargo room where the Engineers ran into and when the team from Prometheus went inside, they saw head statues of Engineers surrounding and maybe even worshipping a big figure of a Xenomorph. They theory is that a more advanced and smarter race of Xenomorphs had created the Engineers. Then those Xenomorph had died out and now the Engineers were trying to create more Xenomorphs.
Like I said, its just a theory.
I've been a franchise fan for over 20 years, and I've never heard of the this theory. The actual theory surrounding the Engineers David destroyed (yes, they are Engineers), is that there are two types of sects of Engineers. There is a militaristic faction, and the monk/aristocratic faction. David ended up destroying the Engineer monks. The warrior engineer sect is the ones who we see in Prometheus. They used the Black Goo to genetically modify themselves, that's why they look like body builders instead of their monk counterparts.
The race of aliens that created the Engineers are called Alphas, who created the Engineers and the Yautja, along side other numerous species.
I know this was once made public somewhere, but this was explained in Alien Covenant novel and the art book for the movie. The planet they landed on is really the Engineers home planet, Paradise, and those were really the Engineers. All this mess is thanks to Ridley Scott, who just can't make up his mind about stuff. The rumor as to why these Engineers don't look the same as the ones we've seen in the previous movies is due to the CGI being way too complicated and they just saved time.
I think it's more likely they worship xenomorphs/the deacon creatures because their DNA enabled them to develop genetic technology and control their's and other species evolution. I'm still open to the idea that space jockeys created engineers to be like an "assistant" species, like androids to humans and the space jockeys went extinct leaving engineers to inherit their work. But that idea really makes things a bit convoluted even if it preserves the possibility of space jockeys being a separate and higher race.
For a little more backstory, watch 'The Crossing' from the special features. It bridges the gap a little more between Prometheus and Covenant and shows how David and Shaw's relationship grew. (Noomi features in this)
Also with the special features, check out David's Lab scene - shows him 'working' on Shaw's body and explaining his intentions.
This really should have been in the movie IMO. Just like the engineer scene in Prometheus.
Oh my!!! I love this one, despite the poor reception. It was fun.
Honestly, the film really was entertaining!! Some of the critiques feel very odd, though some have merit but this one is definitely worth checking out!
I really enjoyed it. But if you’re a reader, you should check out the novelization. It does a better job explaining things.
I am quickly absolutely LOVING these two.. Another great duo to add to my reactor portfolio!
I know people seemed to hate it, but I kind of love that the crew were just a bunch of scared normal people. They were selected to be leaders of a colony. People to build a community on some barren world, not warriors or badasses. And through this, they were terribly equipped for when they encountered hostile a malicious forces
I think it's pretty reasonable to expect _colonists_ to understand that alien worlds can be pretty dangerous and _some_ sort of protection from contamination might be in order.
(no offence but whenever people comment that these guys are supposed to just be normal people I always think "Jeez, you must have a pretty low opinion of 'normal people'" :)
@@anonymes2884in fact I do.
@@anonymes2884I read the novelisation of the movie and was so mad that with maybe three or four lines the book made so many of the characters’ decisions make SO much more sense 😭. Literally ten to twenty seconds worth of exposition fixed so many things.
The stupidity seen in Prometheus is not present in this movie (Prometheus being a science mission filled with experts); these people are literally just colonists; farmers, religious family people, maybe some practical trades among them. Only the captain and nearest crew have any (very limited) idea of what they're getting themselves into (and the real captain turns into a burnt toast before minute 10 lol). It actually makes sense in this movie which I love.
@@eembers I should check that book out.
21:53 never heard that one before. I don’t know why I laughed so hard at it. 😂
The detail you missed on how an alien got on the ship was that it burst from Lope’s chest overnight - he had also been hit with a facehugger.
There is a theory that David put one of the embrios inside him becouse the facehugger was on his face for too short. The impregnation process should be quite long based on the og Alien movie.
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I love the detail of the shotgun fraying the cargo netting when it's shot towards the xenomorph/decan thing
Im regards to David creating the xenomorphs, no he didn't. The "pathogen" as it was referred to in Aliens: Fireteam Elite is a self-adapting and self-evolving viral mutagen that always comes to a final end-point. All David did was speed up the process of the eventual "final iteration" of this mutagen. The xenomorph already existed, all he did was tinker with a machine that was already in motion and was going to arrive at the same result. He wasnt half as clever as he thought he was.
As the xenomorph is called the perfect organism the pathogen is the perfect form of "forced evolutionary virus". It always at some point regardless of outside input or manipulation will end up creating a xenomorph because the xenomorph is the perfect evolutionary survivor.
55:35 the Xenomorphs have visible eye sockets under their dome, so i always asumed that the Xenomorphs worked like the Barreleye, a fish with it's eyes on the inside of it's head, with the xenomorph eyes being black and thus not visible.
Every "Alien" movie: someone gets infected Outside the ship > basically everyone else becomes dumb as they ignore the protocols in place > just let's them back onto the ship, resulting in horror.
Literally what would happen in real life, most people freak out and cant even do basic tasks when under huge pressure, anxiety and fear.
It’s because they never saw the earlier movies!
From a medical perspective, the last two movies didn't seem to have much in the way of safety protocols. New planet, zero knowledge, let's walk around with no protective covering and breath in all the foreign fungus/ viruses/ bacteria. 🙄
To give the crew of the Covenant some slack they were all couples so I can understand when a loved one is sick you ignore protocols and not think properly.
@@ryans413 This is not how you select officers on space exploration missions.
I really appreciate you guys introducing me to this whole series! I've never seen any of the alien movies until i came across your channel and i love all your reactions! I have to say, i agree with your critiques at the end there, there were a lot of decisions that were completely unrealistic.
Just to clarify, the white aliens in the movie are Neomorphs and the one that keeps looking like a Xenomorph is not actually a Xenomorph, it is a Protomorph
Dude, the end made me feel like my heart dropped
"Not a single braincell in here!" And there it is. That's the movie. This is one of the best looking and best sounding films I ever wanted to LOVE... and I just COULD NOT get over all the dumbass choices these characters make.
UGH YES I’m 25 so when covenant came out I was younger and thought everything that took place in this took place in Prometheus so I was so confused at the ending of the last movie. So happy to see your reaction to this one!
Thank y’all! Making my lunch break a whole lot better :)
Love, from Tennessee!
To touch on what a lot of people were saying in the previous reaction comments, if the engineer had actually had a paragraph of dialogue to belittle humans, it would’ve taken a lot of mystery out of them. And as much as I would’ve loved that type of exposition, it just doesn’t really feel like it fit in the alien franchise because the alien franchise is supposed to be mysterious in nature, and I guess they deleted the scene of the engineer explaining everything because it just kind of took away the air of mystery.
I didn't like this movie. Killing Killing Shaw of screen was unfair. Hope you guys are enjoyed it love you guys you are amazing ❤❤❤
Absolutely unfair! We talk about that quite a bit during the discussion
@@OfficialMediaKnights they di her dirty and I think that's why I couldn't get behind this one.
These aren't particularly Alien-franchise movies, but since there are so few sci-fi horror or thriller movies out there, I'd like to point out a few suspenseful sci-fi recommendations for your channel backlog:
- Event Horizon (1997)
- Pandorum (2009), probably the most similar to the Alien-atmosphere
- Sunshine (2007)
*Weyland*
It should be known by now that Weyland wasn't always the frontrunner in space from playing Alien: Isolation. There were other competitors like Seegson back in the days that invented viable FTL before Weyland.
Seeing how in _Aliens_ the company's called "Weyland-Yutani" it implies that the merger made them a much more competitive player in the field, since those merger names generally mean two big-shots have joined forces. So I don't know how big Weyland was back in the days like in Covenant, considering it's a prequel to the original movie, but we do know that they were ruthlessly pursuing opportunities.
The most horrendous realization is that Walter, after being the successor model to David, is eventually being replaced by the model Ash. That really doesn't seem like a better upgrade to me. Sure, Ash was more human in behavior and response, but it had all the ethics and personality of David. Which makes you wonder what Weyland industries thought when they made Ash.
I hope we get to see you react to "Alien Romulus" when we can. I saw it at the cinema and it was such a good movie.
Been hearing lots of good things about the film! Can’t wait to check it out 😄
It's what Denise is criticising at the end of this video though : it's kind of going in circles without moving the franchise forward. Romulus is basically a side quest which rehashes stuff from the previous movies, with a lot of fan service and repurposing, and barely anything new (except the beginning of the film, which I wish there was more of).
I love watching couples react its interesting hearing their different pov on the movies 😊
The third film that would close the story of the prequels was titled: ALIEN: AWAKENING, but it ended up being discarded...
It's such a shame it was discarded, it would've been great to get a conclusion to the story!
Thank god it was discarded, these are so bad in writing and characters, only thing good to come out of these films was that it made me realise how good Aliens 1 and 2 where
@@jacobfiddy8285 It's the worst kind of a bad movie for me. It's a dumb movie that tries to trick people into thinking it's some kind of thought-provoking cinema. It's just as dumb as something like Alien: Resurrection, but at least Resurrection knows what it is. Covenant tries to pull the Zack Snyder trick of sprinkling in lofty sounding dialogue with a de-saturated color palette to make the movie feel much more heady than it is. And if you call out how dumb it is it's just because "you're a hater" or "the movie was too smart for you."
I love this franchise, even through the low points, but this is the only movie that I completely disassociate with the series. I just want to forget it even exists and hopefully move on to better projects in the future. Or just leave well enough alone and let the franchise retire gracefully.
@@OfficialMediaKnights hey with the hype to the alien franchise again with romulus they might resurrect it again, one can only hope
@@pokes404 exactly, this film was so stupid, with even small details, like having the crew being married couples, just sounds like a stupid thing, as during highly stressful environments the one thing that married couples are not good at is obeying orders from their partners, especially when it comes to life and death, and how some of the best moments of this film where stolen completely from aliens 1 and 2, and also the amount of idiotic desicions that these lot make, it’s so bleak and depressing and annoying when ur rooting for ur cast to die instead of surviving, plus the cgi is below average at a push and the neomorths are stupid and inconsistent with there powers, and the idea to use spores as the infectent makes it seem cheap as it leaves nothing to be fearful of as everything can kill the crew, leaving no suspense as anyone of them could just drop dead
Our lives do not have a purpose unless we make one. Tnank you for the reaction. I really enjoy it.
Agreed 👍
Let's go!!!
If you appreciated the prequels, you might like the TV Series "Raised by Wolves", which has been produced by Ridley Scott AFAIK... Sadly, they cancelled it after two seasons. :(
Ohhhh that sounds awesome actually, definitely gonna try and check that out soon! Thanks so much for the recommendation and support, we appreciate you!
I am still so upset that this show was cancelled. Even tho the birth and nursing scenes gave me nightmares for weeks afterwards lol.
@@ellehcimbelle So many good shows get cancelled. :(
There's is only 1 space horror movie left for you to see. "Event Horizon" its stars Sam Neill and Laurence Fishburne. Its one of the very best. A true Gem. Hope you'll pick it up.
There's Life (2017) too.
i like this movie as much as the first.
Huge fan and i'm so glad I stumbled across your channel. You guys are so insightful and bring the right energy when it comes to enjoying and analyzing film. Just a suggestion but you guys need to watch 'Once Upon A Time In Hollywood' if it already isn't on your list!! Keep doing what y'all do, you're amazing!!!!
So as weird as this is David did not actually create the Xenomorphs. Ridley Scott talks about this a little bit but you’ve got the Xenomorph mural in Prometheus, and the ship from Alien is extremely old. Far older than David. I can’t say much about this since you guys aren’t caught up but essentially David just recreated them.
I was surprised how little I remembered of this movie, but I was a much bigger scaredy cat back in the day. It is NOT a horrible movie, I enjoyed watching it again with you two! It also got me psyched for Alien: Romulus!
The scene with the alien coming out of the dudes back in the med bay has to be the MOST AGGRIVATING moment in movie history. SSSoooooo many goofy bad decisions; like who tf slips on the blood....TWICE?!?! looses the gun; GETS the foot crushed in the door....SHOOTS the explosive tanks....
David, in his own hubris, believed he engineered the Xenos. He didn't. The Engineers weaponized the Xeno DNA. David just helped it go back to its original form. The Xenomorphs are thousands of years old. AVP shows us that. The ship in Alien was thousands if years old as well.
*Prometheus* would've been a better movie if it wasn't supposed to be a xenomorph prequel. And *Covenant* disappointed the hėll out of me. Where did xenomorphs come from? The butler... erm, android... did it! 😣 It seemed to me that Ridley Scott wanted to have an arty dark-scifi "think about it" movie, but also wanted to pick up *Alien* loose ends, and tried to combine them. IMO, they should've been left separate.
The Predator movies already established xenomorph existence way before these two movies' timeline. (Even if you want to ignore the two *AvP* movies, *Predator 2* had a xenomorph skull on the trophy wall of the spaceship.)
A lot of people like to ignore the AvP movies, and not count them as canon. Me? I do not count these two movies as canon -- Ridley Scott or no Ridley Scott. His sole "ownership" of the xenomorphs ended when Carpenter did *Aliens* ; the xenoverse, so to speak, opened up past him.
I would consider these two RE-IMAGININGS. Like, they are not canon, obviously, but if we start on the assumptions that they are not canon, and that they are inspired by a filmmakers previous works, then it becomes a lot more easier to find what's good about these movies, because you are no longer distracted by the inconsistency with canon.
That's what I do.
Yes, that is a good point. But even as reimaginings, these two still suffer from being two different movie themes -- the whole Engineers thing, the search for humanity's beginnings, the search for meaning, etc; and the xenoverse with the *Alien* movies -- crammed together into one movie arc.
But yes -- when I watch these two, *Prometheus* and *Covenant* -- I just disregard the whole "xenomorph tie-in" factor, and watch them for the rest. (Or rather, when I rewatch *Prometheus* ; I still find *Covenant* to be disjointed and disappointing, and haven't rewatched except for reaction videos.)
I agree. A little correction though : Carpenter didn't direct Aliens, Cameron did ;)
@@Shyning77 -- Doh!... thanks! (I got my 3-syllable C-named directors mixed up.)
@@alyxgriffen5073 That's what I assumed ;)
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I love this film!
Glad you enjoyed it! ❤️
My favorite thing in Prometheus carries over into this film and it's my favorite bit in this one as well, issue with the off-screen killing off of Shaw aside. We get to see David be a proper Dr. Frankenstein, tinkering around in his morbid-ass lab following a sort of design plan to achieve his "perfect creation" of new life. Though instead of being horrified by his success, he marvels at even his stepping stones toward that goal. Then of course ultimately culminating in him revealing himself to be onboard the covenant at the end, with a new lab and now more test subjects to further his work. I'm a little disappointed we likely won't see David's story concluded to that end though. It still feels weird to see that in an alien film, but it's definitely my favorite detail even if it feels maybe a bit high on itself at times. Dude was absolutely unhinged in the worst way possible and it was the plot element I couldn't get enough of in these prequels.
You wanted body horror? 25:48 - here ya go!
30:14 Meet the Neomorph...i'nt he CUTE? 🥰
38:03 "What is that, if not love?"
"Duty."
"I know better 😏." _(Because I'm a better and more experienced liar than you could hope to be.)_
"that's a flat and even noodle in there" :D
Thanks guys! Fantastic stuff as always
hot take: David is the best and most interesting character in the entire movie franchise
“Expectations can be the death of enjoyment.”
Great insight, Denise. I watched both ‘Prometheus’ and ‘Alien: Covenant’ in the theater and highly anticipated both films as the marketing went into full swing for each film. The general negativity towards ‘Prometheus’ after its release was pretty intense. The movie industry can be a ruthless, monetizing shitshow (kind of like Weyland-Yutani haha). The hype for Prometheus was huge, and there was an expensive, elaborate marketing campaign. When people’s sky-high expectations weren’t met (and you throw in a scene in which a biologist tries to sillily bond with what Quintin Tarantino dubbed a “space cobra”) and the film’s themes diverted from the perception that this would be more of a direct prequel to Alien (Fox’s marketing responsible for a lot of that arguably).
From what I’ve read about Alien: Covenant, it appears that the film would feel somewhat compromised from the very beginning. Prometheus didn’t make quite as much money as hoped, and a lot of people didn’t like the film. This is speculation on my part, but it feels like in order to get Alien: Covenant made, Ridley Scott and Fox had to butt heads and reach some lukewarm compromises. I think among those compromises was to jettison a lot of the feelings around Prometheu. How do you that (even if this inevitably compromises the creative integrity of the film to be made)? Get rid of Shaw, bring back the alien monster and horror, and (thankfully), use the strongest attribute of Prometheus-David-and essentially put the weight of the movie on Fassbender’s Atlas-sized shoulders. Alien: Covenant was destined for many movie fans to be a mixed bag, regarding continuity to Prometheus’s storyline; I understand the frustrations. Again, expectations (a proper sequel to or conclusion to Prometheus) were not met.
Personally, in my experience, when my expectations for a film are subverted in a negative way, Imrewatch the movie several times to recalibrate and accept the story that is presented to us. From there, I can then focus on what the filmmaker (Ridley Scott) was trying to do with these stories. I love that these prequels veered from Alien but stayed in the “universe.” I love the themes explored by Ridley-creation, origin of life and sentient life, artificial intelligence, faith and science, and so on. I absolutely find David to be a fantastic and fascinating character-and a great villain. I wish we could have had a third film to conclude David’s story and properly bookend these prequels. The special features on the Covenant Blu-ray have this amazing sequence in which David sends a message to Weyland Corp and among other things, makes it clear that he’s in charge of the ship Covenant. It’s such an exciting and tantalizing tidbit that makes me wish we had a third movie made (and I loved the characters of Daniels and Tennessee; they got the shaft even worse than Shaw).
I haven’t seen Romulus yet. I heard rumors that there may be some connections made to Alien: Covenant. I hope there’s something.
Anyway, please forgive my rambling.
Ari and Denise, I’m really glad I found your channel. I love your reactions and engrossing discussions/analyses. You two make a good team. Thanks for doing what you do.
NO DAVID DIDN'T CREATE THE XENO NO MATTER WHAT RIDLEY SAYS!!
He's literally ruined his legacy with this film and arrogantly tried to take ownership of the Alien franchise.
Disney/Fox essentially dumped him after Covanant.
Fede Álvarez said he disagreed with Ridley Scott about how the Alien came to be... he described it as primordial so ancient basically.
Maaaann I'm driving the tractor n watched yalls prometheus reaction n I got notification that yall just uploaded covenant. I'm stoked. Yall are on yalls best game with upload timing 😎
Hell yeah! We’re so happy to see all of you enjoy these. We wish you an amazing day ❤️
Every teenager in Romulus has more IQ than all Covenant & Prometheus SCIENTISTS! combined 😢😂
The grass ín Covenants has more IQ Than the cast, producers and directors ín AvP: Requiem...
That’s good to hear…you can’t make your characters incompetent. It’s so much more interesting to see them put up a good fight and use their creativity or logic to get out of a sticky situation.
The teenagers in Romulus instead have characters telling them exactly what they need to do and access to more advanced tech than characters have 40 or so years afterwards.... The whole movie's like a videogame tutorial.
Not too sure about their charisma though lol
Watch the short film titled Alien Covenant: The Crossing. That delves into David and Shaw. I wish they had included that in the movie tbh.
Hopefully with Alien Romulus seeing so much box office success, 20th Century Studios decides to let Ridley finish his prequel trilogy and maybe even just move forward with the story as well.
Whether we get an Alien 5 with Ripley 8 on Earth or a follow up to Romulus, I'm game for more Alien.
This movie was basically an overcorrection. After Prometheus there were a lot of complaints that there wasn't enough Xeno in the movie about the supposed "origins" of the Xenomorphs
And sadly, it suffers because of it. Instead of taking the cool stuff from Prometheus (it ain't perfect but there are some really cool ideas in it) it basically killed everything that Prometheus did and just focused more on shock. The characters make some of the dumbest decisions in movie history (Instead of this planet that we carefully canvassed for years and have been traveling for years to, let's land on a planet we know nothing about. On top of that, let's not wear ANY protection!) and also makes absolutely no sense in terms of how the proto-aliens are formed (just some black gas from some plants entering an ear canal or a nose)
There are some good themes in Covenant too but it's just overshadowed by all the stupidity and non-sensicalness. Visually spectacular.
I promise you, Alien Romulus is MUCH better. Not perfect either, but genuinely feels like a proper sequel to Alien.
Yup! Figured that’s exactly why things went in this direction. This felt more “shit, we need more Xeno action in this”
welp there you have it. People complain, filmmakers listen to fans but the FANS don't know what they want. They are just sheep being fed like baby birds.
@@SoCloseToToast More like : filmmakers saw the disappointing box office but still couldn't figure out how to please an audience.
First and foremost the reaction was amazing as usually...........but that Hoodie is fireee!!
After seeing Alien Romulus, I really need Scott to come back and finish his prequel series. I need a definitive conclusion
Can’t wait to check it out. We’ll definitely have more to say once we watch it ❤️
After seeing Romulus I hope he doesn't.
Pls no, let Fede helm the Alien franchise for a bit. Ridley did enough.
If you read Alien Cold Forge it'll all make sense.
I just wish Fede ever had an original thought.
This is an amazing movie, I've rewatched it a lot.
Covenants' crew was carefully selected,
Through a wall-mart lottery shuffle.
So weyland Corp knows what David is doing and are encouraging it? Are they communicating with weyland Corp?
I loved these two movies & I love Romulus
As a fan of the Alien series, and someone who generally tries to focus on the good aspects of any movie I watch, I absolutely HATE this film. I hate the story, I hate the new characters, I hate how many insanely dumb decisions are made (apparently no one in this film has any kind of self-preservation instincts), I hate the unceremonious end for Shaw (one of the good aspects of Prometheus that I enjoyed), the Xeno looks terrible and is shown WAY too much, I hate the idea of David creating the Aliens, etc. Fastbender is very good in both roles, and it's the only stuff in here that I actually like. But the good-to-bad ratio is swung so far in one direction that there's no saving it for me.
@OfficialMediaKnights im glad you guys see how bad the characters were written in these movies compared to the original 2. Can't believe anyone would let them go into space 😂🤣. And they should've let the deleted scenes with James franco as captain play out in the beginning.
This was the last ALIEN movie that Ridley Scott directed as he knew that he was slowly losing his touch when it comes to making these kinds of movies.
If only he'd realised _before_ making it...
Romulus felt way better. Probably the best recent Alien movie.
Romulus was superficial crap made for a superficial Gen Z audience who have no aesthetic values.
@@vaultboy1419ROMULUS SUCKED SO HARD OMG
@@AbeVicious It was way better than this movie.
The major issue is that the prequels were supposed to be epics of discovery but the studio wanted more Xenomorphs. So the sentiment that you guys even expressed of wanting more monsters is what killed the movies. Prometheus was considered "too boring" cause not enough monsters...and Covenant was the studio's answer. More monsters, more action... But at the cost of the lore that some people wanted. In concept art, there's SO MUCH Engineer lore that was just abandoned because the studio bent to the idea of "more monsters".
When Ridley Scott makes a movie god flips coin, and sadly it landed on tails. He thought it would be a clever and terrifying idea if David was the one that actually invented the final form of the Xenomorphs but narratively and canonically it doesn’t make any sense at all.
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You guys are too harsh on this movie. We know about Xenos . They didn’t. That’s why that woman hugged the guy convulsing. Because she’s thinking about compassion, not Xenos because SHE DOESNT KNOW THEY EXIST. People really abandon logic in search or logic. A monster is coming towards the woman and I myself wouldn’t be thinking about the ship. You guys and other people complain that they weren’t prepared but, prepared for what? Monsters? They don’t know about them. As far as we know, there aren’t any other creatures out there so why being so scared of the reading say the planet is viable for humans. People love to think that they would do better but perhaps you guys would suck too. One of the details that was left out from the original story of Prometheus is that Vickers hired unqualified people to sabotage her father’s mission. She was jealous of the relationship Peter Weyland had with David. Weyland didn’t love her daughter the way he did his own creation. The original story was severely changed. Prometheus is pretty awesome.
I’d like to add that getting a definitive answer to those questions about creation might’ve had a negative effect because we may not get an answer that make perfect sense because being alive just doesn’t make sense. We’re just alive 🤷🏻♂️ However, we did pose a threat to the world because our makers realized we also were capable of creation but we’re dangerous because we killed our messiah. I’m not making this up.
Someone in the comments mentioned PITCH BLACK. If you haven’t seen it, it’s a must watch reaction.
The movie predators is good maybe check it out
On the list! And probably next right after AVP2
Imo, Predators is a sleeper that so many people missed! I really loved it because it gave us another perspective on how the Predator plays its game. Also there's some great nods to the original. Just like the nods Prey gave to the original. Also my opinions are based solely on the Predator franchise, not any AVPs.
you might appreciate the extras,David sends a coded transmissions to the Weyland corporation detailing his experiments refining the xenomorph, and all sort of extra footage explaining crew psyche etc,there is also deleted extended alternate scenes for prometheus where the engineer and weyland converse through David ,i enjoyed your reactions to both movies ,keep up the good work