Thanks guys for the collaboration video! Great to see the TH-cam auto channels have such respect and fun with each other. Hope to see Tommy out in the Pacific Northwest for some more off-roading and a taste of great coffee.
Aw man. I bet Tommy felt terrible about the dent. I know it happens with off roading but never fun. Love the collaboration between the two channels! My two favorite off roaders.
Don’t feel bad for him he didn’t hit the side of that Toyota because of that stupid analogy he has about escalation of features that’s great for demonstrations on car reviews but this was not the time to do that
Been wanting to see this comparison, and it’s even better that you brought Tommy from TFL as well. 9:40 That sucks but that’s what off-roading is all about. It’s better than having it cruise around a mall parking lot.
Ryan, I watch your and TFL's reviews all the time. I enjoy the way you guys approach these subjects and the information helped with purchase of my 2022 Toyota 4RUNNER TRD Pro in Lime Rush. The 360 camera is a game changer. I chose the 4RUNNER for long haul road comfort and the towing capacity thanks to the reviews.
@@BAYAREAMX you would expect that when comparing a vehicle that costs like 25 g’s less.. it did fine for what it is and with the tires he has on there and being fully inflated.
Bronco is awesome but it would be nice to see how it would hold up at 307,000 miles like my 06 4runner now. Still runs like new. At the end of the day, it really comes to ford compared to toyota in reliability and when it comes to that.. do i need to say more ? :)
@@alphanation368 its always good not to buy vehicle when it first comes out. For example, 4th gen 4runner had gasket issues from 2003-2005.. by 06, it got taken cared of. I knew that but not everyone knows. Its always good to wait a few years for problems to get sorted out. Being Toyota was no different. Im really not trying to bash bronco here but buying a first year of anything all you're doing is saying " when all the short falls and issues arrive.. i want to be among the first ones to experience them". Before my 4runner i had a wrangler and at 90k i got cel one after the another. Either way, when something comes out its always good to wait a few years and let others experience all the issues and than get it for example 4 years after its already been out. Car manufacturers label it as first edition, launch edition etc and all i hear is.. ill find out all the issues that it has for you guys you're welcome haha
@@tammieandrzejczuk2573 Our 2006 SR5 4Runner's frame rusted away and ended up getting junked 2yrs ago... Subaru that's a year older has next to no rust on the undercarrage..
Very cool to see you guys do a collab. Been subscribed to both channels and watched the videos on both. I don't think its worth an extra 20k but you can really see the high elevation offroad advantages of bigger more aggressive tires, front camera, under-body protection, turbo engine, and better approach/departure angles. Nice job everyone
Always use all your off road tools before you get into a situation. Sometimes the best tool is knowing when you're beat. Good attitude on the Colorado tattoo though 👍👍
Bronco Badlands starts in the mid 40s and has all the same off-road bits as the first edition with the exception of 35s and front camera, it comes with 33 KO2s, and you can get it with a manual. Plus Bronco is a lot better geared than the 4Runner. In the end, both are awesome trucks and i would not mind having them both next to each other in my garage.
Yeah the Sasquatch add on is less than 5k. And can even be put on the base model. Which gives you front and rear lockers. 35s and billstein shocks. It’s a no brained for any bronco package
Great attitude and great trail obstacles. Amazing how easy the Bronco makes some of these look. Now here's the obligatory "my Subaru got up that" post. Except I took the easy line around the razor rock and the CVT almost didn't make it up truth or dare. I also had full underbody protection and rock rails...and I def used them.
Ryan and Tommy, I suspect the Bronco wins the sprint and the 4Runner wins the marathon. I wonder if the next 4Runner will offer a locking front differential which is now available on the new Land Cruiser. And Ryan, did you remember to exchange insurance details with the Ponderosa Pine? Let a judge decide who was at fault.
Curious minds want to know, would crawl control have helped with the razor rocks? Sorry about your trail damage. You took it well though, cool to see how much Tommy sympathized.
@@sebastian7424 Yes, with A-TRAC and my Mitsubishi Montero Limited's ATSC traction control systems, you need to hit the gas and let the system work. The 4Runner probably would have made it through the first obstacle had he done that.
Vehicles that don't want to move tend to move better with the wheels straight. "Looking good" was used way too many times right before the ass end kicked over. You guys need a proper spotter. It's all the difference.
Thought the same thing. Cranking the wheel full driver turned that passenger front tire into an anchor around which the ass end pivoted. Without being there, we can't know, but there's a fair chance that keeping the wheel straight would've saved a few thousand in damage. Also, point to the Bronco, because those rear quarters are removable panels on the Bronco if you were to damage the same spot.
Can’t wait for the next episode of this collab, it was awesome. If the paint scratches weren’t that bad, PDR and a detail would leave that trail damage looking like new. It could be a great episode to see it.
Fun stuff! A couple of thoughts. A-TRAC at 4:03 worked but MTS would have been the preferred application. A-TRAC is principally designed to be used to get a vehicle going from a dead stop. As the manual states, A-TRAC helps prevent the spinning of 4 wheels when the vehicle is "started" on slippery road surfaces. It works when you are in motion but when going over obstacles, MTS is more robust and the best solution. So, through Razor Rocks MTS would have been the go to solution with rear locker engaged as appropriate. Also note that instead of the MTS Rock setting, the MTS Mogul setting would have been the better choice. It would have worked well at around 7:15. Mogul is always the best setting for those cross-axle mogul situations where you have one wheel up in the air. Cheers!
TFL brought me here, You took it like a Man! Tapping that tree would be a hart breaking moment for my ‘20 Tacoma TRD OR. Wish I could say “it will buff right out” but it’s fixable! Subscribed.
Wow, this is awesome, two of my favorite TH-cam channels together. I feel so bad about the incident with the tree, I've seen very close calls with Tommy and Andre. Great video Guys.
You are 100% correct about the line and the tires. WE have almost the same rig(albeit mine is a 2018), same color. I have KDSS, you do not. (it makes a difference)I put sliders on right away, you did not.(makes a difference) You opted for the Premium package with the sunroof, I did not. lol (has no bearing on capabilities) Same territory we run it in. But I chose to use the factory given tires and they do better than anyone gives them credit for. That OR system compensates a LOT.(if you learn how to use it to your advantage)The only down side for me has been mud. And seeing how your choice tires worked, I won't be picking those when the time comes to replace mine. lol Found 1 of your 1st videos with the same tires(as mine) conquering a muddy up hill camber scenario. So you know what I am saying is true. ;)
I don’t think experience is the issue. Ryan is in the habit of going very slowly so that his viewers can see the 4wd systems in action, especially wheel braking and articulation.
I used to watch TFL until I stumbled upon your channel. I feel TFL has too much bickering and focusing on design things that don't matter now a days. Just rubs me the wrong way, not sure if it's attitude or what not. You and Truck King are my go to for truck/SUV channels currently. Keep up the amazing works.
I'm in the exact same boat. TFL has some really good content, but so much of it is anecdotal experiences masquerading as real reviews. Tommy's stuff is usually pretty good, but a lot of the 4x4 adventures are just "I like my rig better than yours because I'm driving it".
Tommy is fantastic imo. I find him very likeable, sincere and genuine in his methodology and presentation. Feels to me like there may be a bit of arrogance farther up the family tree.
I used to watch TFL often, but can’t stand how superior they see themselves to others. The Rivian release was very telling. I love Tommy, but won’t watch content with Nate or Roman at all. I enjoy this channel more because it is JUST the vehicle and the review.
Tommy: Hey Dad, we had some trail damage. Roman: Oh no 🤦 how bad is it? Can the doors still open? Tommy: Driving Sports TV smacked their driver’s side quarter panel twice. Roman: phew
Omg! This was amazing! My 2 favorite channel’s reviewing / comparing together!?!?! This could have been a pay per view and I would have bought into it lol. Simply amazing
Great Video, I Did not expect to see Tommy on this channel, but it was good to see him, Too bad Andre was'nt there too😁😁. The Toyota is Obviously LESS capable than the FORD(Sorry Toyota Lovers😁), Although the FORD with same goodies can be had for a lot less than 64K.
The dent really illustrates one of the design features I really like about the Bronco, and the Wrangler as well. The wider track with the plastic flares that stick out rather than sheet metal really help in situations like this. I think if the Bronco or Wrangler had hit the tree in the same manner, it simply would have popped a few clips off the flare. I've seen other Jeep Channels whack the flare on things, and they just pop right back into place. I imagine the Bronco with the same way. Who knows, they may even be able to remove easily ahead of time.
@@doylee469 not necessarily protect the body, it's just that the body doesn't stick out so far. If you have the Bronco or a Wrangler in the same position, don't know that the sheetmetal would have actually made contact with the tree. Just an observation. I watched a lot of Jeep videos, and a lot of times they'll scuff the flare and I'll think to myself that that would have done a hell of a lot of damage to my 4Runner.
I was going to say the same. It's always been the downfall of "full figured" rigs. For heavily forested areas, one of the ideal setups is a Suzuki with Toyota axles. Or a UTV, for modern tastes.
It was Ryan and the guys at TFL that led my to getting my 4Runner a few years back. The best purchase I’ve ever made. Good call by putting it into rock crawl mode. But OUCH! I’ve always wondered what would happen if someone were to hit the tree. Great video! I wonder if my wife will also let me buy a yellow Bronco too?
Ryan the Tree you said you stay there too at about 20 minutes in, I actually slid my jeep into when we were filming a snow video for ironclads and did 2000 dollars worth of damage to my back door. So I totally get what you're going through today
As a long term subscriber to TFL I enjoy the channel and how they have a bit more discussion on the offroad/automotive industry as a whole rather than a sole focus on reviews and comparisions With that being said it's unfortunate they often have so many people just bickering over nonsense in their comment section rather than engaging in productive discussion :(
grate job ryan and tommy , both channel are my favorite to watch on youtube , we are sorry for the trail damege on the 4runner but it was grate to see 2 diferent channel have respect one to another God blees you guys !!
Seen a lot of 4 runners in Afghanistan where that trail would be considered not to bad a road. Most we’re armored so they weighed a bit more as well. Good video.
22:00 I'm so glad you mentioned the lateral sliding, as that's my biggest complaint with the stock Duelers on my 21 4runner on easier trails. I guess I'll need some aggressive A/T or hybrid tires when I'm ready to upgrade them.
Crab walking is part and parcel to using a locking differential on loose terrain. That's why it's a bad idea to use them in snow, as an LSD and/or Traction control would be better. His issue is that he didn't have enough articulation to keep the wheels on the ground, and thus had to use the locker.
I went ahead with the Bronco Badlands and I love it! So capable and makes off roading fun with it's easy flip top convertible and easy removable doors.
Great video!! This episode had me at the edge of my seat the whole time. The 4Runner kept up with the Bronco despite costing 20k less. Please never sell the 4Runner and keep doing trails and videos like this.
Gonna wax philosophical here. I appreciate that you fully took responsibility for the dent from the tree. Life throws disappointments at us all the time, but many if not most of them are the result of our choices, and when we accept that, those disappointments have much less impact on our happiness. We also learn much more quickly from the mistakes that led to them. I know there's a channel called Car Gurus, but you, sir, are truly a car guru.
For 10k less you can get a Badlands/Sasquatch with also has ALL the off road bells and whistles that the First Edition has. So, only a 10k difference in price.
Years ago when I was wheeling my 4R I slid down from a side hill and hit a tree on the back door handle. It pushed the handle in about 1 inch. Much worse damage :) but despite that everything still works!
Great video! Airing down and a better line and you would’ve handled that first obstacle like a champ. Sorry for the trail damage, but it happens to the best of us! I know you like to keep your vehicle stock for comparison videos but at some point you may want to consider sliders, suspension, and bigger tires. Even a front air locker would be nice!
Great collab guys. The over-inflated Falken tires on the Toyota , combined with ifs in the front, put you into a position to crab the rear sideways when off-camber. The ATRAC isn’t aggressive enough to compensate for your driver’s front tire being completely in the air. Positive attitude after the “oops”- nobody flopped at least! I’ve been spoiled with dual lockers, solid axles and massive articulation for too long...but it’s fun to see you guys taking near stock vehicles on these obstacles.
My two favorite vehicle reviewers, Tommy and Ryan. Awesome collaboration, and great insight from both of you. In your line of work you likely expect to have some mishaps along the way, thankfully only minor body damage to a vehicle and not a person.
Good collaboration of My two favorites channels, Great video, I gave a 2011 LexusGX460, 3 inch Dobinson lift with SPC UCA, 35X12.5R18 IN FACTORY RIMS WITH 1.25 ALUMINUM SPACER , THUS CAME WITH KDSS , I installed aluminum extention to the KDSS system, in the future I want to put some electric Lockers front and back and 4.88 or 5.13 gear ⚙
So I have a 16 4Runner Trail with Wildpeaks as well. My friend has a similar obstacle to razor rocks. 3 different times over several weeks I tried to make it up and couldn't. I would slide sideways as well. Really made me mad cause my old Jeep WJ crawled right up it. Then on the 4rth try I went up it easily. Turns out I accidentally turned off my rear locker and just had the MTS set to rocks. With the locker engaged if one rear tire spun it forced the other to spin as well sliding me sideways off of line. Just using MTS it kept my wheels from spinning too much and crawled right up without the lateral movement. Might want to try it next time.
Too many modes. It shouldn't be that hard to understand what you have engaged. These new modes are just excuses "I shoulda been in the pokey rock and pebble mode".
@@foch3 and Crawl Control should be renamed to let your wife drive while you spot. But the lockers on 4Runners don't engage smoothly, even more so if not on even ground. So I clicked the button once, it don't look like it was engaging, so I clicked it again. Then it engaged but my second click must have made it disengage. Didnt notice it was off till I finished obstacle. Locker wasn't helping in that situation. Pokey pebble mode worked well
Thank you so much for this collab you guys are my favorite reviewers all time great video and i just love that 4runner it just looks so familiar and comfortable
I actually always enjoy the gutsy attitude that Rayan has when testing cars to the limits.. I sometimes feel like TFL is way too light on their vehicles.. Off roading is about adventure.. and taking risks and pushing the limits ... and sometimes that means ripping off the bumper.. but all those battle scars is what makes a good advanture story.. what's the point of going off road at all if you are not gonna do anything risky.. just stay on the pavement then.. So yeah thank u! It will cost a few bucks to fix but the adventure story is worth way more
The bronco has a really high trim level, massive tires, and costs like 20g’s more then the runner.. it’s not a good comparison to be honest. Put 35” tires on the 4runner and then see what the difference is.. great vid and Tommy is a super good dude!
I mean you can get the SAS with the base model. it's only 4 or 5k that includes Dana 44s in the front and rear. Which is still cheaper than the TRD off road.
From a price perspective, a TRD Pro would've been more equal. However, the results would've been the same. Toyota is behind Ford and Jeep in the offroad game right now because their platforms are so outdated.
I have a 2021 Venture Edition 4Runner... lifting it a bit has made a huge difference. Stock it's very capable but I had a lot of rubbing and minor hits even of pretty light trails. Adding a 2 inch lift changes a lot.
I respect all involved in comparison, but my 4 by 4 will out perform all involved in the back country. Can't beat a good horse, sleeping under the stars with the saddle as my pillow and basic nessesitys to see me through the night. Spent a lot of time in the back country of Utah away from civilization. My horse was priority and always camped near water and plenty of grain for his fuel, plus free grazing. Definitely respect what your doing. I just bought a 2022 4-runner and it serves me well, still have a 2004 Tacoma T. R. D. Off road. Can't beat them , but I still love the ultimate rig, horses!! Peace my friends.
Put a 3 inch lift and 33s or 34s on the 4Runner with some skid plates and sliders and it would make it wayyy more capable. The 265-70-17 stock tire size is just not big enough.
I like how you attempted the "SR5" mode. I just got an SR5, unfortunately the wife said we really needed the 7 seater, and toyota unfortunately makes you chose between family and offroad. I will most likely be installing Lockers in the future, but good to see that it can at least handle some obstacles fairly decently without all the other Off Road exclusive assists. Great review and grat angles to see exactly how the 4Runner is handling. Awesome work on this video and your other 4runner videos. You earned a subscriber.
Awesome Collab between two of my favorite offroad channels! I've been in those 0.5 inch clearance rock and a hard place scenarios and since my 08 Fj has no crawl control I relied on left foot braking, Atrac and rear diff lock lol. I still never dented a body panel yet but took a few other casualties with bumpers and skid plates lol.
Wow he handled the tree rub pretty well. I would have been pretty mad. Great attitude man!!! You know you will be in these situations with your line of work
With the success of Rubicon and Bronco, I hope we see aftermarket swaybar disconnects become available for the 4Runner and other vehicles. It's a real game changer on the trail.
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Thanks for swinging by Ryan! Can’t wait for you to show me the best trees up in the North West 😜
Looking froward to it!
@@drivingsports He had to mention trees just to rub it in a little.
Thanks Ryan and Tommy. I enjoyed the teamwork, comparison, and showing all 4WD are not equal.
Thanks guys for the collaboration video! Great to see the TH-cam auto channels have such respect and fun with each other. Hope to see Tommy out in the Pacific Northwest for some more off-roading and a taste of great coffee.
Thanks Ryan and Tommy, you guys are awesome, both driving sports tv and tfl are my favorite car reviews channels on yt, keep up the good work.
Aw man. I bet Tommy felt terrible about the dent. I know it happens with off roading but never fun.
Love the collaboration between the two channels! My two favorite off roaders.
Don’t feel bad for him he didn’t hit the side of that Toyota because of that stupid analogy he has about escalation of features that’s great for demonstrations on car reviews but this was not the time to do that
Now no one can accuse your TRD of being just a “mall crawler”
🤣🤣
Been wanting to see this comparison, and it’s even better that you brought Tommy from TFL as well.
9:40 That sucks but that’s what off-roading is all about. It’s better than having it cruise around a mall parking lot.
And come back after shopping just to see some one bumped into your bumper
Your 4runner looks even more tough now!
Agreed!
Adds 40 horsepower and 35% more off-road prowess lol
Ryan, I watch your and TFL's reviews all the time. I enjoy the way you guys approach these subjects and the information helped with purchase of my 2022 Toyota 4RUNNER TRD Pro in Lime Rush. The 360 camera is a game changer. I chose the 4RUNNER for long haul road comfort and the towing capacity thanks to the reviews.
Thank you for trying the 4runner with just ATRAC and no sway bar disconnect - great knowing how the SR5 trim stacks up.
Yeah not good
@@BAYAREAMX you would expect that when comparing a vehicle that costs like 25 g’s less.. it did fine for what it is and with the tires he has on there and being fully inflated.
@@doylee469 the extra $25k was for creature comforts. You can spend the same amount as the 4R and have much more capability.
@@BAYAREAMX this is very true. His $46k 4Runner is well within Rubicon and Badlands territory.
@@KTMcaptain rubicon is way more, at least for a 4 door
Ryan, you and TFL need to collaborate more often. Both my top 2 favorite channels.
This was great (minus the damage) hope you do more collaborations
For me, it’s 4 Runner all day long. All in all it held it’s own. Nice collaboration between these two channels.
Bronco is awesome but it would be nice to see how it would hold up at 307,000 miles like my 06 4runner now. Still runs like new. At the end of the day, it really comes to ford compared to toyota in reliability and when it comes to that.. do i need to say more ? :)
@@igorshravljevic7784 our Toyota with 250k miles is having bunch of electrical issues, so much for that forever dependability
@@tammieandrzejczuk2573 I had problems on my Ford escape at 80k KM not miles haha 250k miles looks pretty damn good to me.
@@alphanation368 its always good not to buy vehicle when it first comes out. For example, 4th gen 4runner had gasket issues from 2003-2005.. by 06, it got taken cared of. I knew that but not everyone knows. Its always good to wait a few years for problems to get sorted out. Being Toyota was no different. Im really not trying to bash bronco here but buying a first year of anything all you're doing is saying " when all the short falls and issues arrive.. i want to be among the first ones to experience them". Before my 4runner i had a wrangler and at 90k i got cel one after the another. Either way, when something comes out its always good to wait a few years and let others experience all the issues and than get it for example 4 years after its already been out. Car manufacturers label it as first edition, launch edition etc and all i hear is.. ill find out all the issues that it has for you guys you're welcome haha
@@tammieandrzejczuk2573 Our 2006 SR5 4Runner's frame rusted away and ended up getting junked 2yrs ago... Subaru that's a year older has next to no rust on the undercarrage..
Thank you Ryan and Tommy for doing this! Hey Ryan, sorry to see that happened, that's battle marks, now the 4Runner is much stronger 💪🏼
Sad part...easily avoidable. #1. New trail grade tires (Duellers are better suited for pavement) 2. Air down 3. Better spotting.
@@flecktarn.toronto1510 agree, it is avoidable.. Sometimes excitement overrides everything 🤔 We all learn from the same mistake 😂
Very cool to see you guys do a collab. Been subscribed to both channels and watched the videos on both. I don't think its worth an extra 20k but you can really see the high elevation offroad advantages of bigger more aggressive tires, front camera, under-body protection, turbo engine, and better approach/departure angles. Nice job everyone
Always use all your off road tools before you get into a situation. Sometimes the best tool is knowing when you're beat. Good attitude on the Colorado tattoo though 👍👍
And knowing is half the battle!
2 of my favorite car/truck channels collaborate. Like a dream comes true. Good job, folks.
Bronco Badlands starts in the mid 40s and has all the same off-road bits as the first edition with the exception of 35s and front camera, it comes with 33 KO2s, and you can get it with a manual. Plus Bronco is a lot better geared than the 4Runner. In the end, both are awesome trucks and i would not mind having them both next to each other in my garage.
Yeah the Sasquatch add on is less than 5k. And can even be put on the base model. Which gives you front and rear lockers. 35s and billstein shocks. It’s a no brained for any bronco package
We will see if both will do this at 150k miles.
I mean... If the bronco lasts XD
Sadly the difficulty getting the Broncos is making dealers really up the prices. In WA state you can’t find a Badlands for less than 55k
Great colab. The Bronco is so impressive. What an off road beast!
Great attitude and great trail obstacles. Amazing how easy the Bronco makes some of these look.
Now here's the obligatory "my Subaru got up that" post. Except I took the easy line around the razor rock and the CVT almost didn't make it up truth or dare.
I also had full underbody protection and rock rails...and I def used them.
Ryan and Tommy, I suspect the Bronco wins the sprint and the 4Runner wins the marathon. I wonder if the next 4Runner will offer a locking front differential which is now available on the new Land Cruiser. And Ryan, did you remember to exchange insurance details with the Ponderosa Pine? Let a judge decide who was at fault.
The pine had a prior record and fled the scene.
Accurate, with Toyotas having a 20 year life cycle design.... It'll cost you less in the long run.
@@drivingsports i wish they could cut it's privileges to exist
@@drivingsports Thank goodness we have the video evidence to prove it.
How does the 4Runner win the marathon if it can’t complete the course?
What an awesome collab! I love both your channels and watch them equally. Love you guys/girls actually take the cars offroad and not just a dirt road
Curious minds want to know, would crawl control have helped with the razor rocks? Sorry about your trail damage. You took it well though, cool to see how much Tommy sympathized.
Crawl Control lacked the finesse necessary.
Great to see the effort and attitude!
The video doesn’t do it justice, it’s really steep and tricky there I don’t think crawl control would have helped.
You don't need it. All you need is to air down, pick the lines and hit the throttle like an adult.
@@sebastian7424 Yes, with A-TRAC and my Mitsubishi Montero Limited's ATSC traction control systems, you need to hit the gas and let the system work. The 4Runner probably would have made it through the first obstacle had he done that.
13:06, Bronco is 79.3” wide. 4Runner is 75.8”. 3.5” wider total, or 1.75” wider on each side.
thats about how deep the dents are.
yeah automakers shouldn't keep making cars wider and wider with each new generation.
Subscribed, just on the fact of how well you took that hit to your 4runner. What a way to exemplify how a real man handles disappointment
After the first obstacle the price difference was reduced by 5000 dollars😅
increased? since the bronco was 20k more
That damage can probably be completely fixed with about $500 worth of paintless dent removal.
Great video guys, a good PDR can fix that body damage on the 4Runner like nothing happened.
Great team up! I’ll definitely be looking forward to TFL in WA.
Here from TFL. I gave you a sub. That was a great collab. I hope Tommy makes it to WA.
The next generation 4Runner needs to add a front diff locker to its off-road arsenal. Much simpler to use vs adjusting Atrac/crawl control settings.
Hopefully they release a 4Runner GR Sport, like the LC/LX GR Sport which have 3 lockers.
Vehicles that don't want to move tend to move better with the wheels straight. "Looking good" was used way too many times right before the ass end kicked over. You guys need a proper spotter. It's all the difference.
Thought the same thing. Cranking the wheel full driver turned that passenger front tire into an anchor around which the ass end pivoted. Without being there, we can't know, but there's a fair chance that keeping the wheel straight would've saved a few thousand in damage.
Also, point to the Bronco, because those rear quarters are removable panels on the Bronco if you were to damage the same spot.
Can’t wait for the next episode of this collab, it was awesome. If the paint scratches weren’t that bad, PDR and a detail would leave that trail damage looking like new. It could be a great episode to see it.
Great colab, Ryan, the crew over at TFL are fantastic, love their channels!
Fun stuff! A couple of thoughts. A-TRAC at 4:03 worked but MTS would have been the preferred application. A-TRAC is principally designed to be used to get a vehicle going from a dead stop. As the manual states, A-TRAC helps prevent the spinning of 4 wheels when the vehicle is "started" on slippery road surfaces. It works when you are in motion but when going over obstacles, MTS is more robust and the best solution. So, through Razor Rocks MTS would have been the go to solution with rear locker engaged as appropriate. Also note that instead of the MTS Rock setting, the MTS Mogul setting would have been the better choice. It would have worked well at around 7:15. Mogul is always the best setting for those cross-axle mogul situations where you have one wheel up in the air. Cheers!
Ryan, shows that one is different from the other. Need the front locker. Thanks for pushing.
Ryan and Tommy are my two favorite reviewers. Good Job guys !
TFL brought me here, You took it like a Man! Tapping that tree would be a hart breaking moment for my ‘20 Tacoma TRD OR. Wish I could say “it will buff right out” but it’s fixable! Subscribed.
Wow, this is awesome, two of my favorite TH-cam channels together. I feel so bad about the incident with the tree, I've seen very close calls with Tommy and Andre. Great video Guys.
Andre hit a tree in his f150
You are 100% correct about the line and the tires. WE have almost the same rig(albeit mine is a 2018), same color. I have KDSS, you do not. (it makes a difference)I put sliders on right away, you did not.(makes a difference) You opted for the Premium package with the sunroof, I did not. lol (has no bearing on capabilities) Same territory we run it in. But I chose to use the factory given tires and they do better than anyone gives them credit for. That OR system compensates a LOT.(if you learn how to use it to your advantage)The only down side for me has been mud. And seeing how your choice tires worked, I won't be picking those when the time comes to replace mine. lol Found 1 of your 1st videos with the same tires(as mine) conquering a muddy up hill camber scenario. So you know what I am saying is true. ;)
The Ford is the clear winner in the off-road challenge. However the 4runner is a better grocery getter.
the 4runner could have made that obstacle pretty easy with a more experienced driver.
Oh man Toyota owners got an excuse for everything.
I don’t think experience is the issue. Ryan is in the habit of going very slowly so that his viewers can see the 4wd systems in action, especially wheel braking and articulation.
Yeah, Ryan is an idiot
I am certain if he turned on the MTS once A-trac was struggling and he would’ve been fine
I used to watch TFL until I stumbled upon your channel. I feel TFL has too much bickering and focusing on design things that don't matter now a days. Just rubs me the wrong way, not sure if it's attitude or what not. You and Truck King are my go to for truck/SUV channels currently. Keep up the amazing works.
I'm in the exact same boat. TFL has some really good content, but so much of it is anecdotal experiences masquerading as real reviews. Tommy's stuff is usually pretty good, but a lot of the 4x4 adventures are just "I like my rig better than yours because I'm driving it".
Tommy is fantastic imo. I find him very likeable, sincere and genuine in his methodology and presentation. Feels to me like there may be a bit of arrogance farther up the family tree.
I used to watch TFL often, but can’t stand how superior they see themselves to others. The Rivian release was very telling. I love Tommy, but won’t watch content with Nate or Roman at all. I enjoy this channel more because it is JUST the vehicle and the review.
Roman rubs me the wrong way
@@smallvillefnf Tommy and Andre haven't lost humility. On the fence with Nathan, might just be the company he keeps.
I subbed after seeing you on TFL off road and how you handled the trail damage like a champ 🏆 👏
Tommy: Hey Dad, we had some trail damage.
Roman: Oh no 🤦 how bad is it? Can the doors still open?
Tommy: Driving Sports TV smacked their driver’s side quarter panel twice.
Roman: phew
Omg! This was amazing! My 2 favorite channel’s reviewing / comparing together!?!?! This could have been a pay per view and I would have bought into it lol. Simply amazing
Great Video, I Did not expect to see Tommy on this channel, but it was good to see him, Too bad Andre was'nt there too😁😁. The Toyota is Obviously LESS capable than the FORD(Sorry Toyota Lovers😁), Although the FORD with same goodies can be had for a lot less than 64K.
The dent really illustrates one of the design features I really like about the Bronco, and the Wrangler as well. The wider track with the plastic flares that stick out rather than sheet metal really help in situations like this. I think if the Bronco or Wrangler had hit the tree in the same manner, it simply would have popped a few clips off the flare. I've seen other Jeep Channels whack the flare on things, and they just pop right back into place. I imagine the Bronco with the same way. Who knows, they may even be able to remove easily ahead of time.
Dude those plastic fender flares wouldn’t have done anything to protect the body
@@doylee469 not necessarily protect the body, it's just that the body doesn't stick out so far. If you have the Bronco or a Wrangler in the same position, don't know that the sheetmetal would have actually made contact with the tree.
Just an observation. I watched a lot of Jeep videos, and a lot of times they'll scuff the flare and I'll think to myself that that would have done a hell of a lot of damage to my 4Runner.
Tommy should have just stood next to the 4runner and pushed it away from the tree.
I was going to say the same. It's always been the downfall of "full figured" rigs. For heavily forested areas, one of the ideal setups is a Suzuki with Toyota axles. Or a UTV, for modern tastes.
@@michaelp.3485 ah yes. 4,500lb SUV, just shove it around.
It was Ryan and the guys at TFL that led my to getting my 4Runner a few years back. The best purchase I’ve ever made. Good call by putting it into rock crawl mode. But OUCH! I’ve always wondered what would happen if someone were to hit the tree. Great video! I wonder if my wife will also let me buy a yellow Bronco too?
Why ask your wife for permission? Just get it!
@@jrladislao very true.
Better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
Just buy it, I agree 😊
I’ve taken my 4RUNNER up that route zero times and never had a problem.
This is what I’ve been waiting for!!! Yasss!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻😍😍
Loved the collaboration. 2 of my favorite reviewers. Sorry about the panel damage.
Ryan the Tree you said you stay there too at about 20 minutes in, I actually slid my jeep into when we were filming a snow video for ironclads and did 2000 dollars worth of damage to my back door. So I totally get what you're going through today
As a long term subscriber to TFL I enjoy the channel and how they have a bit more discussion on the offroad/automotive industry as a whole rather than a sole focus on reviews and comparisions With that being said it's unfortunate they often have so many people just bickering over nonsense in their comment section rather than engaging in productive discussion :(
Someday 50 or so years in the future when that tree comes down... you'll see a smile in that growth ring.
Hey Ryan, I was so excited to see you and TFL together! Awesome. Sorry you crunched your Toyo, still, great outlook and videos with Tommy!
grate job ryan and tommy , both channel are my favorite to watch on youtube , we are sorry for the trail damege on the 4runner but it was grate to see 2 diferent channel have respect one to another God blees you guys !!
Seen a lot of 4 runners in Afghanistan where that trail would be considered not to bad a road. Most we’re armored so they weighed a bit more as well. Good video.
Lateral sliding is mostly from using rear lockers while the vehicle is at an angle. Not so much from your tires.
22:00 I'm so glad you mentioned the lateral sliding, as that's my biggest complaint with the stock Duelers on my 21 4runner on easier trails. I guess I'll need some aggressive A/T or hybrid tires when I'm ready to upgrade them.
If you can't handle that I'd hate to hear the result of a muddy trail.
Crab walking is part and parcel to using a locking differential on loose terrain. That's why it's a bad idea to use them in snow, as an LSD and/or Traction control would be better. His issue is that he didn't have enough articulation to keep the wheels on the ground, and thus had to use the locker.
One of my favorite comparisons from Driving Sports TV! Thanks for really testing that 4Runner!
Awesome two TH-cam channels work together and great video! Thank you guys!
I went ahead with the Bronco Badlands and I love it! So capable and makes off roading fun with it's easy flip top convertible and easy removable doors.
Great video!! This episode had me at the edge of my seat the whole time. The 4Runner kept up with the Bronco despite costing 20k less. Please never sell the 4Runner and keep doing trails and videos like this.
Yea but you can get a bronco with most of those off road goodies for around what the 4runner cost and it's more capable
Gonna wax philosophical here. I appreciate that you fully took responsibility for the dent from the tree. Life throws disappointments at us all the time, but many if not most of them are the result of our choices, and when we accept that, those disappointments have much less impact on our happiness. We also learn much more quickly from the mistakes that led to them. I know there's a channel called Car Gurus, but you, sir, are truly a car guru.
Two great channels of real-world people.
Excellent video, I love both Channels, regards from Chile.
For 10k less you can get a Badlands/Sasquatch with also has ALL the off road bells and whistles that the First Edition has. So, only a 10k difference in price.
You took that like a champ! I would have been super upset with myself. Good for you! I need to follow your lead. WooSah!
Years ago when I was wheeling my 4R I slid down from a side hill and hit a tree on the back door handle. It pushed the handle in about 1 inch. Much worse damage :) but despite that everything still works!
congrats/sorry about the ol' tree kiss . Hell of an adventure though
Great video! Airing down and a better line and you would’ve handled that first obstacle like a champ. Sorry for the trail damage, but it happens to the best of us! I know you like to keep your vehicle stock for comparison videos but at some point you may want to consider sliders, suspension, and bigger tires. Even a front air locker would be nice!
Excellent. This is how to get more viewers. This is how you are on your way to becoming number 1 in off-road TV shows.
I thought the way you handled that was very classy. I’m now a subscriber.
Great collab guys. The over-inflated Falken tires on the Toyota , combined with ifs in the front, put you into a position to crab the rear sideways when off-camber. The ATRAC isn’t aggressive enough to compensate for your driver’s front tire being completely in the air. Positive attitude after the “oops”- nobody flopped at least! I’ve been spoiled with dual lockers, solid axles and massive articulation for too long...but it’s fun to see you guys taking near stock vehicles on these obstacles.
Tommy.nails the conclusion. Never understood spending big money on a vehicle just to play with. A decent used one is tons less stress.
My two favorite vehicle reviewers, Tommy and Ryan. Awesome collaboration, and great insight from both of you. In your line of work you likely expect to have some mishaps along the way, thankfully only minor body damage to a vehicle and not a person.
I actually loved this video, when I got home and saw this I was like Hell ya!
One of the best! Love these collab videos! Sorry about the 4Runner though damn.
Love this comparison. 4Runner is definitely capable
Good collaboration of My two favorites channels, Great video, I gave a 2011 LexusGX460, 3 inch Dobinson lift with SPC UCA, 35X12.5R18 IN FACTORY RIMS WITH 1.25 ALUMINUM SPACER , THUS CAME WITH KDSS , I installed aluminum extention to the KDSS system, in the future I want to put some electric Lockers front and back and 4.88 or 5.13 gear ⚙
So I have a 16 4Runner Trail with Wildpeaks as well. My friend has a similar obstacle to razor rocks. 3 different times over several weeks I tried to make it up and couldn't. I would slide sideways as well. Really made me mad cause my old Jeep WJ crawled right up it. Then on the 4rth try I went up it easily. Turns out I accidentally turned off my rear locker and just had the MTS set to rocks. With the locker engaged if one rear tire spun it forced the other to spin as well sliding me sideways off of line. Just using MTS it kept my wheels from spinning too much and crawled right up without the lateral movement. Might want to try it next time.
Too many modes. It shouldn't be that hard to understand what you have engaged. These new modes are just excuses "I shoulda been in the pokey rock and pebble mode".
@@foch3 and Crawl Control should be renamed to let your wife drive while you spot. But the lockers on 4Runners don't engage smoothly, even more so if not on even ground. So I clicked the button once, it don't look like it was engaging, so I clicked it again. Then it engaged but my second click must have made it disengage. Didnt notice it was off till I finished obstacle. Locker wasn't helping in that situation. Pokey pebble mode worked well
Thank you so much for this collab you guys are my favorite reviewers all time great video and i just love that 4runner it just looks so familiar and comfortable
I actually always enjoy the gutsy attitude that Rayan has when testing cars to the limits.. I sometimes feel like TFL is way too light on their vehicles..
Off roading is about adventure.. and taking risks and pushing the limits ... and sometimes that means ripping off the bumper.. but all those battle scars is what makes a good advanture story.. what's the point of going off road at all if you are not gonna do anything risky.. just stay on the pavement then..
So yeah thank u! It will cost a few bucks to fix but the adventure story is worth way more
I feel you with the trail damage, been there done that. That's why we built our vehicle to go have fun. Sometimes, _hit happens.
The bronco has a really high trim level, massive tires, and costs like 20g’s more then the runner.. it’s not a good comparison to be honest. Put 35” tires on the 4runner and then see what the difference is.. great vid and Tommy is a super good dude!
I mean you can get the SAS with the base model. it's only 4 or 5k that includes Dana 44s in the front and rear. Which is still cheaper than the TRD off road.
From a price perspective, a TRD Pro would've been more equal. However, the results would've been the same. Toyota is behind Ford and Jeep in the offroad game right now because their platforms are so outdated.
Would love to see how the sway bar disconnect compares to KDSS flex wise.
I have a 2021 Venture Edition 4Runner... lifting it a bit has made a huge difference. Stock it's very capable but I had a lot of rubbing and minor hits even of pretty light trails. Adding a 2 inch lift changes a lot.
Awesome to see the collab withTFL!
Thanks guys. Your conversations are so strategic and educational. Will subscribe to both.
I respect all involved in comparison, but my 4 by 4 will out perform all involved in the back country. Can't beat a good horse, sleeping under the stars with the saddle as my pillow and basic nessesitys to see me through the night. Spent a lot of time in the back country of Utah away from civilization. My horse was priority and always camped near water and plenty of grain for his fuel, plus free grazing. Definitely respect what your doing. I just bought a 2022 4-runner and it serves me well, still have a 2004 Tacoma T. R. D. Off road. Can't beat them , but I still love the ultimate rig, horses!! Peace my friends.
Put a 3 inch lift and 33s or 34s on the 4Runner with some skid plates and sliders and it would make it wayyy more capable. The 265-70-17 stock tire size is just not big enough.
Very cool collab. My two fav channels together. More, please, this time in the Pacific NW.
Now we just need a Matts Off Road Recovery collab!
I wanted to cry for you in both TFL and your video 😩😅😅 But good showing for the 4 Runner!
I like how you attempted the "SR5" mode. I just got an SR5, unfortunately the wife said we really needed the 7 seater, and toyota unfortunately makes you chose between family and offroad. I will most likely be installing Lockers in the future, but good to see that it can at least handle some obstacles fairly decently without all the other Off Road exclusive assists. Great review and grat angles to see exactly how the 4Runner is handling. Awesome work on this video and your other 4runner videos. You earned a subscriber.
Thanks for putting your vehicles through the course. Two of my favourite channels!
Awesome Collab between two of my favorite offroad channels! I've been in those 0.5 inch clearance rock and a hard place scenarios and since my 08 Fj has no crawl control I relied on left foot braking, Atrac and rear diff lock lol. I still never dented a body panel yet but took a few other casualties with bumpers and skid plates lol.
A + for positive attitude, good show my friends!
Wow he handled the tree rub pretty well. I would have been pretty mad. Great attitude man!!! You know you will be in these situations with your line of work
With the success of Rubicon and Bronco, I hope we see aftermarket swaybar disconnects become available for the 4Runner and other vehicles. It's a real game changer on the trail.
And this is why quads and dirt bikes exist
This is a great collaboration!!
Gotta love the adventure in Colorado! Looking forward for future colab guys.