THE REAL BATMAN V SUPERMAN
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2022
- The Dark Knight Returns is a graphic novel that inspired all different kinds of Batman media.
You can see it's influence in Batman V Superman, The Dark Knight Trilogy, and even more recently Joker --- amongst others.
It is widely considered one of the best Batman stories ever put to paper and ever put to screen.
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Peter Weller was PERFECTLY cast as Batman in this movie
I thought it was James Remar.
Weller and Miller go hand in hand. Especially since Miller was the writer for RoboCop 2.
@@RandomBlackGamer The final decent Robocop flick. Not on par with the original, but better than part 3 and anything after that.
"You don't get it, Son. This isn't a mud hole! It's an operating table - and *I'm* the surgeon!"
Couldn't agree more!!!
The only reason why Frank put in the mutants is cause he hated the X-men so he wanted to put mutants in the book and show how dumb mutants are cause they were really saturated due to the X-men being the most popular book while he made the dark knight
If he wrote this in the 90s, I would have expected more powersuits.
@@mosesmm5473 but he didn't. This came out not long before Batman 89
@@avace917 Hence why I said 'if'
@@mosesmm5473 misunderstood what you meant. It's early. Haven't had coffee yet. 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Have a good one
thats a stupid reason, the mutants in that movie are nothing like the x men
Batman“ all the people I killed by letting you live “
Joker “I’ve lost count “
Batman: “I haven’t “
That Hit me idk why lol
AND I LOVE YOU FOR IT 🥺🥰
Me too
Cuz hes to much of a p to put his villains 6ft
I always assumed “mutant” was a brand and gang moniker. Not actually mutated in any way. Just body mods and fancy duds. That’s how they could become the sons of Batman so quick.
I think ur correct
I was gonna say 😂. I thought that was always the assumption that they were mutants in name only. But some people probably saw the visors and thought they were literally shooting lasers out of their eyes 🤣
This was driving me crazy because I actually started to watch a video from someone who was saying a reason he didn’t like something he didn’t read or watch was that he wanted Batman and Mutants separated. There was a gang named “The Mutants” but it was meant as a joke and not actual mutants. Also who doesn’t live the Mutant slang?
What backstory you need for Carrie?
She's a middle class girl ignored by her parents who's impressed by the Batman after he saved her and her friend. After learning Bats used to have a sidekick she decides to become the new Robin and after helping Batman getting back to the Bat cave he agrees to train her.
That's all!
Did you missed the part where Bruce, despite having come to the conclusion that killing the Joker is necessary he doesn't dare to do it?
In the comic it's more clear because of the narration.
There's a Mandela effect here because Batman never kills anyone nor he defeats Superman but there're tons of people who claims he does those things.
Was just about to comment this. It feels like he skimmed the movie rather than fully watched it
I'm not going to lie, bro did not read or watch this movie very closely at all. Joker outright makes fun of him since he lost control and snapped a vertebrae, leaving Joker unable to move but Joker outright says "Finish me." And Batman can't, Joker kills himself and frames him for it because he knows he'll be even more hunted.
Another thing I wanted to point out is Frank Miller was an anti-establishment anti Reagan kind of person. He's not really making fun of the left as you said. He's more so just making fun of the establishment and the way things were going in the '80s. He's making fun of the people trying to be sympathetic towards horrible people. I still find it strange that you say the left when I think he was more making fun of the right at the time.
I suppose it’s because the right was more influential at the time while the left is more influential now.
@@jacobcasey5202 I know isn't that crazy
Yeah, keep in mind the left in the 80's isn't the left of today. This was going beat-by-beat from the comic it's based on, it wasn't trying to modernize it. And even so, the movie is a bit old by now.
@@marksunboxingzone Yeah this came out I think Toys R Us was still open and doing well lol
@@BattaSSL it’s unfortunate imo. But it goes in cycles.
I think I've mentioned it before but Frank Miller always found it funny that the Batman editors picked the wrong one of his two Bat books to copy. He always meant Batman: Year One to be his love letter and suggestion of how Batman should go but the Dark Knight Returns was always his "grim and gritty" (piss)take on Batman.
He topped it with All-star Batman. Makes Batman a psycho who kills cops, forces Robin to eat rats, and has sex with Black Canary right next to brutalized criminals.
@@jamescole7614 actually that’s All Star Batman & Robin, All Star Batman was during Rebirth I think
@@stevenandrewchua542 yes the events of All Star Batman and Robin happened in All Star Batman and Robin.
@@stevenandrewchua542 You're both wrong. It's actually All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder.
@@jamescole7614You misunderstood what he was saying trying to be a smart ass. All star Batman, and then the title All Star Batman and Robin are two different runs entirely
They aren't actually mutants. That's what they call themselves and they alter their appearance ever so slightly to look differently
It's their gang like Crips or Bloods
yep, exactly what I was about to say, this guy's a tool.
Characters looking blocky is just Frank Miller's art style, I like it personally
I did like it too..and it's okay if someone did or didn't, everyone has a taste.
Actually the combination of mutants and Batman could work really, really well take a look at Ninja Turtles vs Injustice or Batman vs Ninja Turtles.
That’s your opinion
@@keithragin89 you don't say
@@shalindelta7 I do say
@@keithragin89 ok captain
As in Captain obvious
This fight in this story is perfect because it's supposed to be _sad_ that Superman and Batman are fighting after literal decades of being friends. It's supposed to be a commentary on how far the government has fallen in America, not a set up for Great Value Injustice.
That BvS movie, man. I remember when Crisis on Infinite Earths was coming out with all those cameos, and there was a scene where Kevin Conroy says a line from this book, and one of the highest viewed clips was titles "Kevin Conroy makes a reference to BvS" or something like that. *pinches bridge of nose*
To this day, one of the best lines Batman has ever said was from this:
"You still don't get it; this isn't a fight in a mudhole. It's an operating table and I'm the surgeon.". The art is a bit meh, though.
"Every one is slow when knee deep into mud" is insane
Fun fact the deluxe edition puts both parts as a whole movie its the best way to view ot
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"There is no batman "stache" also I think the reason he had a mustache was to reimagine himself into a figure more like his father
What the clash always should come down to is ideals as that's where the true power lays for a story. Seeing two guys who see justice in thier own way clash as that's the only thing left to do.
All star Superman next please
Um, "the mutants" is the name of a street gang. Like, the Bloods or the Crips. They're not actual mutants. Seems like literally everyone else grasped this concept. The "mutant" name was meant to be a swipe at the X-Men, the most popular comic book at the time which Miller loathed.
This is what Batman v Superman movie should have been truly been
True
I think it would work if they did the movie a couple of JL movies really shows bats and supes friendship but a disagreement makes them fight
That movie was a masterpiece
@ahmaddagodelchapo793 you forgot to finish the comment and misspelled some things. Ill fix it for you. You meant you type:
That movie is objectively a masteclass in how to make a dogshit film that, again objectively, fails at several key elements of storytelling and film making.
You're allowed to enjoy dogshit bro, taste is subjective.
@@6tiple6ix6afiaDawg that’s just YOUR opinion bozo. He’s allowed to have an opinion, if you don’t agree. Oh fcking well, move on. How tf you get so butthurt by an opinion, clown 😂😂
So is this part one and part two combined because I was really confused by the deja vu I’ve been feeling
Yeah, he usually puts multiple-part videos out together after already doing them separately
@@cotopaximusic alright cool cause I swore I had seen this before but it said I haven't 😅
THANK YOU VEE, my thoughts exactly
Completely agreed with the blocky design of characters. I prefer Batman the animated series designs above any other iterations.
Sadly that style would deviate into blocky designs by the time The New Batman Adventures rolled around.
I am Glad that this type of character design is long gone
tbh the comic made me appreciate these movies more. the internal monologues that the movie doesnt carry over make the story infinitely better, and once you have them in your memory, watching those panels in action becomes a lot more fun
Love your vids man, keep up the good work
Thank you for dropping this great video on my birthday
A Batman fan who hasn’t read ‘The Dark Knight Returns’ or appreciates Peter Weller’s voice acting…suddenly your love for that ‘Gotham’ tv show makes sense.
Please, correct me if I’m taking this the wrong way, but your comment seems very passive-aggressive.
@@beckmania1066what makes you say that?
Morbius making a billion at the box office is proof positive that people will pay to see any movie... even if it's a disjointed, nonsensical mess.
Anyway... great review. I knew you'd like it if you gave it a chance!
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Well it did not make a billion $ try 162 million, researching is not vee infuso's top skill.
@@Necrotog82 Well I said 1 Morbillion dollars at the box office.
So I assume sarcasm is not your top skill.
@@VI_V2 just terrible sarcasm thats all, work on it.
@@Necrotog82 You didn't see the Morbius memes at all?
@@Necrotog82 I think you just lack the brain capacity to understand his sarcasm
I loved both of these movies. Particularly part 2 just love the fight between Superman and Batman. I did hate the voice of the Joker.
Part two was poorly paced imo, it was hard to watch at times because it felt tiresome. The final fight was great and the highlight for sure, but part one was the better movie overall, once again imo.
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Ever since I read Ego, I have to disagree with the whole "Bruce is the mask" thing. I firmly believe that neither can exist without the other.
Thank you! I feel like Christian Bale attended a masquerade without a mask and now everybody parrots the same thought. It's getting kinda annoying to hear everybody say the same factoid without ever presenting any evidence that Bruce Wayne is only a mask. Just as many emotions get repressed when the cowl goes on as the suit and tie. The real, unrepressed man is in between.
For me it was the Telltale series. I love the depiction that both Bruce and Batman are needed to create the Dark Knight. But I also understand the depiction that says Bruce died in the alley with his parents.
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING FOR LIKE A YEAR
It’s like you’re in my head…TOTALLY agree about the voices too! Can’t wait to see if we go three for three lol
They did a really good job making a point of challenging the idea of "the Batman" in the White Knight comics with the GTO and putting more money into mental health. Great read
In Morbius’s defense, he’s not a real vampire
They wanted to make Batman look huge compared to a normal person. It’s why they had a female Robin. But yeah when everyone is huge then no one is huge. Lol
Your too grown to appreciate this as much as someone like me who read this when it came out, I was like 12-13 yrs.
We're looking at a trimmed down version of a groundbreaking book with 1980s values with a 2022 mentality.
Some things didn't translate well. Some things are out of order, too.
I'll add that Batman didn't kill Joker. He broke his neck and Joker found the strength to kill himself and frame Batman. There were lots of moments where it seemed like one thing and was actually something else. Batman appearing to use a rifle but it was actually a grappling gun.
Mostly accurate adaptation but missing some of the nuance that makes the book great.
A friend of mine gifted me this comic book when I was young I loved it. Now it's animated I'm in love even more and I got the bluray of both DKR its an amazing story
Even though you're my least favorite youtuber, Vee Infuso, I love this video
Did he just complain about the blocky artwork when the animated series he covets so much was done the same way?
Yeah this tard doesn't know what he's talking about
Exactly
All of Frank Miller's batman work take place in the same universe.
This video is awesome
I watched this when it came out and was not disappointed lol
"It's bigger than that!"
It's awesome!
The Mutants in DKR aren't mutants. It's the name of a street gang. Hell's Angels aren't angels and they don't come from Hell.
Voices don't match the character models?? Peter Weller does such an outstanding job.
Exactly he just loves to complain
Do realize that this is a story from the mid 80s. Long before you were born. It was a different time. I was there.
Vee, you’re an -all star- amazing Batman content creator. There’s a reason I didn’t put quotation marks there.
I was so confused for a minute because the intro is the same as your video "THE GREATEST BATMAN COMIC ADAPTATION ANIMATED MOVIE" uploaded a couple weeks ago.
Vee you're an all star content creator
Just started the video but I have to say THANK YOU!!! I hated the look of the characters too! I can’t wait to see wat else we agree on !!!
lol that Vee I stumbled on your second channel lol
This guy is the best batman content creator. Fight me
"VEE, YOURE AN ALL-STAR BATMAN CONTENT CREATOR"
Both are good but part 2 is better
batman’s voice just sounds like a old batman
with the Mutant I see that difrently, they later follow Batman out of respect and not of fear, and later want to become like him or what he truly stand for
(just my opinon, I tolerant others)
The thing i dont about this comic/movie is it started the next 20 years of lonely old man Batman, and started Catwoman...fall do to Denny O'Neil hating her as he liked the romance he created for Batman (Talia, something i just figured out a couple days ago when looking at what he edited and the three times he wrote catwoman. The guy is also the one who solidified the Selina Vs Talia wars still raging today) almost 10 before this book bruce was depicted as an older man...who had married to Selina Kyle and had a daughter Helena Wayne. Sure batman's last 2 years of life were massively tragic but he got 20 years of blissful happiness before this.
Just as a note, probably mentioned to you by others by now. TDR comic was published before Year One.
Commissional Gordon is jacked AF And he got a chin too
these were accurate adaptations except there was a lot of internal monologues and written exposition in the graphic novels that did not make the transition, not all of it makes a difference but some does and it goes into Batman's thoughts on teaching and training his new army, it somewhat helps.
Batman Beyond and this story is an amazing story of old bats.
Bat-old-man!
the ending never gets old u lucky ass....#$%^&#
The problem with Batman V Superman is that Captain America Civil War was a better thematic representation of The Dark Knight Returns.
I completely agree!
Nicholson, Hamill, and Phoenix in a live action adaptation of Three Jokers...any takers? Alternate actors? Let's go!
I first watched this when I was around 9-10. The VA isn't too bad but I do agree on the character designs as it seems like everyone pumps iron five times a week.
Joker was in a mental hospital, comatose for maybe 10 years, so you would expect him to be even slimmer, almost like Alfred is in the movie. Bruce is supposed to be well past his prime so while he as a character would no doubt keep working out thanks to habit-you would think he would be around half his muscle build just thanks to his advanced age. Hell, even Gordan, whose 70 and at that point where he should be teaching his grandkids the good swear words, looks like he could take Conor McGregor and kick his ass..
Then here is the mutants and yeah, they are just there as villains as none of them have any agency, or real intelligence as they go from the Mutant Leader, to that Nazi chick to batman without much thought. Even Frank seemed to realize this and makes a comment about it in story.
What makes this even more confusing is why would an entire generation go down such a route in the , Kelly is much younger yet she knows of the stories, so wouldn't these young adults, who most likely saw the Bat on the news or in person, kicking ass and saving Gotham and it's think twice about crime? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to try their hands at vigilante work and then fail miserably, becoming part of the problem and perhaps the reason why the rule of law is so weak in Gotham?
I get it, he needs help and is preparing the city for when he dies-but wouldn't he seek out aide he can trust? Wouldn't Dick make an appearance as we know this is a timeline where Jason died and stayed dead-but what about the OG boy wonder. Wouldn't he have something to say about his mentor/father figure going back to crime fighting at his age, wouldn't he want to help the stubborn mule of a man once accepting he can't stop him? GA seems to think this, hence why he helps.
That being said, I still like these two movies. I never minded Batman killing Joker as partly, in the beginning I thought Joker somehow snapped his neck so that everyone would blame Batman, after all-he was still talking and lucid long after Batman let go, and after that-I saw it as Joker doing what he always wanted, which was to get Batman to snap. His fight with Superman was great, and was more then just 'let's make them fight' there are stakes, the two have reason to throw hands. Superman is flawed but it feels like it was a weakness he always had he's catchphrase at one point was 'Truth, Justice and the American way' so him siding with the US government, even on matters where supes shouldn't be involved such as helping them invade the DC version of Cuba feels like something that COULD happen.
Well in the sequel Richard Grayson does make an appearance...as the Joker
Is there a good way to depict Batman as a Political Moderate? Like usually people go into Vigilanteism because they have very Radical Views
I thought you were gonna discuss the BTASM Batman and the 90’s Superman storyline
I 100% agree with every word u said about part 1 & most of what u said about part 2.... the Jared Leto Joker fits the story they were telling it's a unique realistic version of him
The Dark Knight Returns is a classic in many ways
I identify a lot with Carrie, and I really wish they developed her a little more
It’s really great to see a smart and witty female character who isn’t just played up as a sexualized joke, with a real desire to help and do good
Personally I’ve never had a problem with her as robin it’s just how she became robin I don’t like
Imagine how a prime Batman would have Molly whooped Superman.
One of my favorite Batman books
Batman can bench 1000 pounds and squat 2000 so it makes sense he looks so jacked.
Wait, they're making Master of Disguise 2? Oh hell yeah!
Ok I gotta admit I do have a soft spot for this movie (I like robocop) but your view is valid on ALL fronts good and bad …..that aside I subscribe due to the ending lol my favorite voice actors appearing ….u got me
Everyone in the dark knight returns is either build like a fist of the north star character or a character from jojos part 1 in my opinion.
*They want me dead because I'm an embarrassment. Because I do what they can't, what kind of authority is that?*
-Nearly Decomposing Human Animal
I think the Batman should have been an actor... He plays the role of Billionaire, playboy, philanthropist Bruce Wayne... Heir to the Wayne family fortune.
Nice
“I couldn’t find any mob bosses”
Imma be honest at first I didn’t like it their body proportions either but this is a Batman movie where it’s taken place in a future down the line so therefore when you get older usually your metabolism slows and you end up filling out more than you did in your prime
In (if I remember correctly) _LEGO Batman 2,_ Dark Knight Returns Batman is a giant Minifigure, the same as Bane or Clayface.
Yo I want a part 2 dude!
Actualy the real bvs is world's finest
You should do part 2
I just think you don't get this movie and what Frank Miller was going for. I also don't think you understand that The reason everybody loves Batman is because Frank Miller rewrote him. Without Frank Miller we would not have gotten 89 without 89 we wouldn't have gone to the dark night series and so on.
Hard to say because the worst batman we ever had came out in-between those movies you mentioned
I'm pretty sure this is a reupload.
It’s actually a combination of both of his previous videos on the DKR animated movie. I’m think he did this so he could deliver his full review of the movie all together.
@@raulcasarez2150 oh, cool.
Hey Vee, didn't you post this video already like, 3 weeks ago?
I feel like Frank was probably just shitting on Boomers with Carrie Kelley's parents. Might have been stoners, though. The joint in their hands makes it seem more the latter than former.
I love this movie, part 2 is the better half. I consider both parts the full movie
7:02 What the fucl was that??!! Lmao ...
Talk about Batman vs Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in your next review!
That movie is awesome
Hear me out, iron man with kryptonite laced armor and kryptonite weapons. Along with a red sun arc reactor could beat Superman
obvious
@@Shadydoesit to other people it's not tho, I go to a think that talks about Superman vs the avengers and all I see is "Superman wipes iron man"
@@RicyRicky yeah it should be pretty obvious iron man would beat superman if he somehow had kryptonite and a red sun arc reactor but without that superman *does* wipe iron man
@@Shadydoesit considering how mcu (the least powerful) iron man created a new element over night, comic iron man could probably make both of those things within hours
@@jockeyfield1954 kryptonite isn't something you can just make from scratch lol and considering supermans, speed I don't think ironman would be able to hit superman before he is taken out to be honest.
I happened to have loved the style and I loved the comic (in graphic novel form) when I found it a few years after it came out in a mall bookstore accidentally. I'd been away from buying any kind of comic book kind of thing for over 15 years and just came across it while walking through the store on the way into another area of the mall. Later when I saw the DVD come out I snapped it up since I loved the comic so much. I like the block kind of style since that's what the original comic style was and thought the movie remained true to the original art. It also captured the darker attitude Miller put into the story so well. I never did like the 'campy' Batman all that much that was more prevalent when I was a kid. I was fine with the voice acting and thought their voices were more in line with the darker tone of the movie rather than the voices from the various cartoons that came before had done.
(Potential Spoilers)
30:41
Green shirt guy looks like a fusion between Fred and Shaggy from Scooby Doo.
This is my favourite batman film, especially the joker final battle
Vee, you're an all-star Batman content creator. Which is why I wonder if you ever did an ASBAR video.
Ohhh it’s coming. Lol
@@VI_V2 Can't wait
the dark knight returns part 2 is such a good movie. It's such good material, it's contender for the best batman story ever told. I place it as my second favorite only behind batman under the red hood because jason todd's story is so emotionally stirring, seeing the flash backs of him.
In the comic he couldn’t kill the joker in the end the joker killed himself