The UCI DON'T Want You To Use These Wheels!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2024
- Bored of modern bike tech? Want to change things up? Maybe a wheelset like this could be your perfect match. Alex got his hands on some six-spoke wheels. That's right, only 6 spokes! These wheels may be UCI illegal but does that mean you should stop using them? Watch the video to find out.
00:00 Welcome
00:27 GCN Tech history lesson
01:07 Riding 6 spoke wheels
04:35 Why do wheels like this exist?
05:19 Who should ride wheels like this?
06:16 What does Alex think?
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Would you ride with wheels like these? 🛞
I would never ride these. Actually, I would never even ride any with flat profile spokes. Side winds where I live can make the ride hell with these.
Dang they are so pretty, not very practical but still...I definitely would ride them
nah i want aluminum.
Yes mate absolutely
@@nebulous962 WHAT!!!!
HUGE thumbs up to any company that makes quality UCI ILLEGAL parts for the masses!
Cool isn't it! Would you like to see these parts make it into the pro ranks?
The UCI have no jurisdiction here…
If you don't race, run whatever the eff you want 👍
Best part of being an aspiring triathlete is that UCI has no jurisdiction anywhere. And the wheels look exquisite!
They look great as a standalone part. They make a nice bike look like a kids toy, vs the adult toy that they actually are.
@@veganpotterthevegan I think I agree. In the past 20 years this type of wheels (usually 3-spoke) were mostly sold on BSO's in chain stores.
@wtfiswiththosehandles lots if hipsters on fixies have cheaper versions of these(still carbon with more spokes) they're extremely durable but they're always a couple millimeters out of true or worse. I raced on the track with HED3s and they weren't tru either. I've seen some bad enough that they required opening your brakes up, of course that's a non-issue with discs. They also ride like crap😂
You guys have found a UCI loophole 👀
No, they look properly shite
Alex went full dentist on this build😂
Noooice. I have some, wait for the review! Some interesting points Ive already found - good and bad.
Very interested in this! I was about to hit the ‘buy now’ button but I may hold fire.
Any ideas on when this review may drop?
they will never out of true. thats nice.
True, true.
With many wheels built like this(I've never seen these in person), they're always out of tru and will of course, always stay that way
Or they will never be in true.
@@veganpotterthevegan Exactly. Discs and trispokes may be up to 1.5mm out of round out of the mold and still pass QC, because money rules.
True that
UCI: "You CAN'T Use These Wheels!"
Fun Fact: "Where there's a WHEEL, there's a way!"
Ba Dum Shhh 🥁
I would use these if they ever made a rim brake version. Back in the late 90's I had the Spinergy Rev X's with the stiffeners glued in (made a big difference) on a Softride. I liked the bike at the time and the way it looked!
1st thought... *COMPARISON TIME!*
A) Put them up against bestest TT setup (including position). For against the clock (10mi TT?) and for in less than optimal conditions. How much slower are they? Is it YUUUGE?
Training wheel alternative for the TT enthusiast that might be less succeptible to cross wind for a minor aero loss?
2) Vs the sweet spot aero rims (35-40mm mark). How different are they, Aero, in Crosswinds, Comfortability, Control...?
Whoever buys these wheels doesn't bother at all about time/speed/weight...
Dude, it's an ad. It's their wheel sponsor ...
And each wheel has 5 doggie guillotines.
@@kwitwerikok8o863 Sold!
@@irfuel [Owen Wilson "W a o w !"] ...and? Last year it was Vision wheels.
I've always loved the look. Thanks Felix!!!
Need to compare against traditional wheelset, actual time trials and see what’s better. Love the way it looks.
There are some cheapo 5spoke rims of a similar shape that hipsters use on track bikes that never see the track. A customer of mine borrowed a pair and tested them in the tunnel with a few other wheelsets while I fit him. They were atrocious. Of course, they're not the exact same thing as these are but I doubt they're better than anything but a very shallow training wheel with lots of spokes. Messengers like them because they're practically unbreakable and never need truing. Of course, those wheels were also not tru out of the box. Not sure about these though. If you just want the look, you can get wheels like this for about $300-400 each online
We better get testing 🧪
This is the future for wheels on & off-road. Multiple companies are making wheels as well. I've only seen positive remarks in reviews!
Interesting! Do you think it'll take the UCI to relax their rules before people start taking these on 👀
I have 2 sets of elite wheels and the quality has been very impressive. Both the cheaper set and the drives. Will be ordering a set of these for the commuter
I'm a sucker for non-standard spoke patterns. From barely different like Corima's normal-spoked wheels that have the spokes in pairs on the rim, or Campagnolo's 3-spoke grouping overCorima MCCs with 12 thick carbon spokes or Lightweight full carbon construction all the way to bike ahead composites or Black Inc with 5-6 carbon spoke wheels like the Elites in this video.
I'ld rather want the numbers crunched on the sailing effect. How much (if any) propels the sailing effect of deep wheels in cross winds? Is the sailing effect dependend on the wind direction?
Got about 1500km on these wheels since april. I think they offer insane bling value (looks crazy cool on my all flat black Domane) and the ride quality is better then expected. As i weigh 82kg and have an above avg power output when out of the saddle, these are the only wheels stiff enough not to bend laterally i ever tried. For 1100usd (got 15% off my order from a youtube reviewer) you cannot go wrong with these wheels. Prior to riding those i was using Bontrager Aeolus Pro 51's which i liked and the Elites Velo 6 didn't come off my bike since i got them.
In terms of speed, they feel faster then the Aeolus 51's i had, both using GP500 S-TR 28mm tires. Lateral winds are comparable for both but i feel the Velo 6 perform better with a noticeable sailing effect when wind comes in with an angle. At over 40km/h the sound they make is satisfying enough to keep you pushing more watts. Also, the rear hub is NOISY like an angry wasp nest... back pedaling on these produces a better enjoyment then using a bell to make other road users aware of your presence 😂
These remind me of the Aeospoke wheels that had some life on the track and thrived in the Fixie community in the 2010s.
Im really curious what the UCI rule actually reads because if we go by your quote. "Wheels need to have 12 spokes" The wheels do have 12 spokes 6/6 so 12. Is this a loop hole??
ARTICLE 1.3.018
In the disciplines road, track and cyclo-cross, only wheel designs granted prior approval by the UCI may be used. Wheels approved in mass start competitions in the disciplines of road and cyclo-cross shall have at least 12 spokes; spokes can be round, flattened or oval, as far as no dimension of their sections exceeds 10 mm.
As it only says "wheels" and not "wheelsets" I suppose every single wheel has to fulfill the requirements. Apart from that, the section of the spokes probably exceeds 10mm as well.
Id have a set in a heart beat! Will get a pair when sufficient sheckels in my bank account!!!👍👍👍👍
Spare a shekel for old ex leper
I have them on my bike. Bought them for the looks mainly, but also because there are no spokes to maintain. Can't say much else, they're just wheels.
@GCNTech: can you do a video about Chain master link versus Replacement chain pin super please as I’ve just got a Topeak PT30 as a Father’s Day present! 😎
Hi I have motobecane cycle and want to thick tyre, can you recommend what size maximum i can go for?
Can those be fitted with Tube tires?
Reminds me of the mag wheel on bmx bikes from the 80’s. I love them!
The old school BMXers roadie wheels 👀
The reason why people will choose these wheels is the looks, also the speed, which you have not addressed at all in this video.
Are they foster the normal spoke wheels or not ?
One thing I didn't hear mentioned was durability and maintenance. As soon as I saw them the first thing I thought was no more broken spokes or truing wheels!
By stability, I'm fairly certain Alex is referencing the effect of cross winds and for the masses on shared roadways, wake turbulence off of passing motor vehicles.
I ride UCI illegal already and while multiple manufacturers do make solid carbon wheels for minivelos, I would be interested in hearing about the hub options and durability trade offs before going that bling with it.
Also would love to see a full carbon minivelo brought into a wind tunnel and somehow measured in a pace line, 622 wheels vs 451, how much of a difference does those couple of inches make when the following rider can get just a bit closer without overlapping wheels?
Would have liked to try them on our tandem, but the weight limit😢
Considering you guys (and other folks) recently showed that wider tyres are faster/more comfy, I'm surprised to see you setting these up at the narrowest end of the tyre range, rather than going for the upper bound and getting those sweet comfort and speed gains
If you whacked some 30c tyres on there you'd have a consistent message, and a smoother ride 👍
(I'd maybe even go for 32c, there's more options and tubeless works better at lower pressures)
We all know that if we're not in the UCI pro peleton that cycling kit is ALL about the looks and these fit the bill. Lets face it, if we're not winning races and earning a salary while riding, the harsh reality is that we are ALL just weekend warriors and why not look good enjoying that title. Im all for them and the 90's spinergy wheels are my all time favorite wheelset. I actually have a pair on my Colnago C40 raw carbon gloss finish with the yellow decals.
Are those wheel off the Eurobike?
Technology advance: make everything stiffer and then increase tyre clearance in order to fit larger/softer tires 😅
Would love to see them make a rim brake version.
The need to make a deep section version of these, with something like 150mm deep rim sections
Different thinking 💡 👏👏👏
Is it possible for the team to show us a head to head of each presenters stable of bikes and the running gear on each of them? Example Hank has two bikes that we see from time to time, are they both running SRAM Red or something different.
isn´t it possible to construct those wheels in form of windmill blades, so that they will push at crosswinds?
since theyre UCI illegal, how do they perfom compared to wheels with regular spokes?
The Ghost Factory MTB team use a similar type of wheels - and in UCI MTB racing.......
Interesting! MTBers have always been a bit "cooler" than us ....
I am wondering how durable the rim-hub contact parts be after few years of ride...
Never ever have to true your wheel is 1 good proposition
What about my 36-hole 3x MAVIC Open SUP CD rims? Still tracking straight the last 30 years of riding them!
What about 'em?
I’ve got the xentis high X 5 spoke gravel wheel set. Weighing only 1.390 kilos for the set they’re a bit expensive but I’m not going to complain since they’re the fastest wheels i ever had, very stiff and lots of people pointing or looking towards me me while riding. I love it!
Elite also makes a 5 spoke gravel wheelset that looks like the Xentis. I want to get a set when funds become available.
Skyway BMX mag wheels came out in the early 80s.
I like the spinergy wheels most.
Perfect expression for someones contempt of the UCI.
I always wonder, how durable are these wheels? One bigger pothole and you're going to cry your eyes out?
Same here😢
I guess the weak point still wouldn't be the spokes, but the rim flanges?
I've bent a few metal rims. Never damaged a carbon rim. Carbon wheels are a lot stronger than metal.
@@goldenretriever6261 Yeah, but your rims were evenly tensioned by steel spokes. These rims have six approx 40 degree sections unsupported by anything, other than the rim structure...
I have the Drive 6 Gravel wheels (similar but not the same). I managed to break one on my gravel bike riding what was really technical singletrack - bottomed out on a root going downhill. Even cracked, it still held air, starting making that broken carbon sound on root hits etc. I rode it for another 20 miles or so. Elite replaced it under warranty. Pretty tough wheel actually.
the last good looking pinarello
Can be great for a commuter bike, less maintenance with no need to true them!
I saw the bike ahead composite version of these and looks like they spun wrong way round? But those dont look quite right either? Xenit has the dimples for aero, or the rolf/cormia for European badassness for everyone mavis has integrated carbon hoops so no tape needed on slr. I own black inc and get on with em great! What about titanium wheels?!?
They look incredible and are right up my alley but I wish they were wider.
Would you want wider internal rims?
@@gcntech yes I’ve added some 25mm internal width with 32mm tires to my all road / road bike and it’s incredible. 32s on narrower rims get that lightbulb shape and feel uncertain at high speeds - while descending. These new Elites are awesome anyway.
I love them! I was just wishing current carbon tech could have made them much lighter. Get closer to 1000g at a semi-reasonable price and people would buy them like crazy.
The could, perhaps, make these UCI legal by making the blades thinner and doubling them up to make 12. Like you say, otherwise they are very niche. I’ll stick with my 32 stainless steel spokes on my London commute 😁
I'd consider it if my road wheelset ever had issues...
Reminds me of the skyways I lusted after as a kid for my BMX. The price is just too much for my taste.
They have got a an old school BMX look 👌We think that is super cool 🙌
Boo on UCI! - 2 x 6 spokes = 12 - whats the problem :) They look awesome! And maybe a stupid Q, but are the rules different for UCI MTB division? Ghost Factory Racing ran XC last year with similar wheels.
but, are they stiff vertically? and the ride is more jarring - this I can easily believe.... but what about LATERAL stiffness ?
But the time trials solid rear wheel doesn't have 12 spokes either.
These wheels compliment the Pinarello frame perfectly, as they are just as ugly. No need to ban them, people with taste just need to make the right purchasing decisions.
A little bitter?
@@tommyfreckmann6857 I think we've found the Schwinn fanatic.
It looks identical to every modern road bike.
@@festerofest4374 Pinarello's look like overpriced Schwinn's. You may as well save your money and buy the real thing
@@festerofest4374 Wrong. Love carbon bikes, they just should look nice.
I have these. Can confirm. They are bad ass
Do you get lots of questions about them? 👀
@@gcntech I do actually. Usually about ride quality and how they handle cross winds. My answer to both is “they do great”
There are two reasons for buying an upgrade is (1) They make you faster. (2) They make you faster.........If it doesn't do that, what's the point.
I like the wheels but the narrow internal and external is a deal breaker…. Let’s see an internal width of 24-25 and external 32 and now we’re talking.
I looked up into orbit, and still couldn't see Alex's saddle
Hands these off to GTCN.
sick wheels...if you need a tester in the denver metro area. i am your guy>
2:43 . What pressure do you have in the front tire ? Looks squirmy (is that a word ? ).
What makes a wheelset comfortable to ride?
not leaving a whole in your wallet. that hole causes a lot of drag
woah! the front wheel got "bullet-timed!"
What does the UCI have against them?
I like em.
No! The more spokes the better. I can imagine that being a very harsh uncomfortable ride.
I think they look cool. Not a bad price either
Why don’t put this wheel up to compare with all uci approve wheel and see which wheel perform better if there is no uci rule include.
What you need to attach....is mechanical doping xD
The UCI is right about this one for a change. Those wheels would be fine on solo rides, but not in races.
Why wouldn't they be fine in a race?
@DaveCM Getting your arm caught between those spokes and the frame in a crash is more likely than with a traditional wheel due to the large gap between the spokes. Those carbon spokes aren't going to give when they hit you, so an injury is more likely. Crashes are much more frequent in races than when riding solo. So, I agree with the UCI. Those wheels are not suitable in road races.
That perspective hadn't occurred to me regarding group crashes, but makes sense. If folks are getting tangled up in each others bikes, then less tangleable moving parts is a good thing.
But a time trial is a 'solo ride'
Sounds like the problem then is with having group races in the UCI.
Isn’t it logical to ban group race situations that create the opportunities for crashes (group races)? So change the TDF to time trials for the entire section. Banning then equipment sounds like you want the crashes to keep happening.
I think these are wheels that cannot be fixed.
With a traditional wheel when you go into a massive pot hole, you can take them to a bike shop who will adjust the spokes and straighten your wheel. However with these, massive potholes are an opportunity for you to buy a new wheel.
Roads here are rough, hit some hard ones and they run as smooth as day 1
What would be cool if they come in different colors other than black .
Could be easily painted or foiled. I am thinking of putting the six primary and secondary colors in the spokes as a color wheel. Or three colors of reflective tape, repeated once Or three colors reflective, three colors flourecent for visibility in any lighting 😆
So it looks like a big bmx?
trying to get my head around the concept of Elite wheels being anti-elitist...
Hey GCN, you never even superniced my Merlin with the Tri-Spoke wheels, but saw fit to use it in your video! What’s up with that? I think you need to pay me royalties in the form of two GCN water bottles, or my attorneys will come after you!
I want to say…… wait a sec…. ohh uci at the front door….
they say: they don’t give a sh@t about my wheels.
noooooooooooooo………..
Coming to a coffee shop after a 5 mile ride.
😂
wheels are crap if you running tubeless. went through two sets both were defective. guess i got to spend extra money on the bike aheads
❤
Just when you think a Pinarello couldn't look any worse 😂
No nipples that need to be the right tension and can come loose. No little spaces for water to stick and corrode metals. No rim tape.
My Nextie Sixspokes look so sick and other worldly on my front wheel drive racing recumbent (actually the V20c you saw here recently) with aerodynamic storage tail box. 😁
We wanna see two spoke wheel
im still not trusting carbon i want aluminum version of it if it weight more than carbon
Thanks Alex....nope !
That's not a problem - me to don't want me to use these wheels
These are only for hipsters on track bikes that will never see a velodrome
what UCI has to my rides ?
GCN is missing alot of "this is an Ad" marks lately
Not having to true your wheels in fantastic...
not being able to true your wheels WHEN they get fked up is NOT fantastic
UCI should reconsider BAN discbrake road bikes in World Tour again because it's very dangerous when crashing. Am seriously!
if it turns out they are super quick, I'd fit them
these kinda look like the wheels on the honda splendor motorbike
Saw a set like these at Walmart. Don’t like um.
BMX bandits !
@GCN Tech.... Where is the test with the power meter test? This is just show and tell. If your just going to do show and tell you should probably get Manon to do it as she has nicer ankles.