This is the best value carbon wheelset I have ridden in the past 12 years. They also get top reviews worldwide. Use this code to get 15% discount off Elitewheels wheels .... "ozcycle15"
This video is the only one I found with great information. I've been trying to decide between Elite Wheel Drive 50D. I now now know Drive is the way to go. PS I'll be putting those wheels on my Polygon A7X with vicotia Corsa Pro Thank you very much Sir.
My 2015 Roval CLX 60s have over 67,000 miles. I replaced the original bearings…that’s it. I’d buy another set in a heartbeat based on my experience with this brand.
The new Roval are brilliant as well. Well built & RoadCC tested these in the real world, they won. The Roval like reserve, & Cadex are even wider wheelsets. That’s the rule of 105 of aerodynamics.
Specialized designed there Aero Wheelsets Roval Rapide CLX Aero Wheelsets for 26 mm tires . I use 28 mm 4 comfort, but racing or xtra fast training l stick with Specialized recommendation on the 26 mm
The "best value" are the carbon hoops you get from a pro team that is folding or changing equipment. Takes some time and energy but I just bought a brand new set of VISION SL30s for about 30 % of the retail price - brand new tubies glued on (yes I will reglue before riding).
Great video - A question re aerodynamics. If you have 28mm external rim width wouldn't you match it with a 26mm tyre rather than a 28mm? I've found that most tyres are wider than the listed measurements when pumped up. The 26mm becomes closer to a 28mm in a Pirelli. Whereas a 28mm would become a 30mm creating the tyre bulge over the rim that you illustrate in your video?
@@stevenleffanue what tire brand offers the less bulgier/more oval shape? Im looking to minimize NOT the millimeters wide of the tire but the millimeters height comming out from of the wheel edge.
The story of wider is faster and more comfortable is like thick paint 😂 at my weight and size the most comfortable is a 25c and a box section rim. 34c is just too wide, bikes feel and handles like a 4WD which is something that not many people address, hence the vintage bikes still ride smoother. Cheers from Oz🇦🇺
Train on cheap Chinese rubber, 35s. Race on 25/28s. Been doing it for years, few/no flats, less wear on race wheels, added work/strength from riding heavier wheels. And gives you some use for the wheels that came with bike, most of the time.
Wider is faster because of many factors. Road vibration, contact patch, tire/rim interface....it's been proven time and time again that modern tires are MUCH faster than the old 19-23mm tires. Harder tires feel harsh which our minds equate to faster.
thanks for discussing elite wheels (a long term review) - I would of like to hear your thoughts on the nipples and corrosion if any and are there options to order wheels with brass nipples?
As long as the anodising remains on the outside surface of the nipples they want corrode. Damage, abrasion or salt will start corrosion. I doubt Elite wheels give the option of brass nopples.
Love all three sets of elite wheels I have. However he is over complicating the width. I run 40c gravel challenge xp tires on my 55 deep elite road wheels and the tire shape is perfect. Look it up the gravel seen is using road wheels and gravel tires pretty commonly these days. Saw it all over the place at unbound this year in Ks.
Thank for this very helpful video. I live and ride in Belgium which is a great place to ride but has plenty of long strerches of sometims-rough cobbles. I've got my eyes on the Elite Drive 50D but am wondering how they (carbon spokes/ceramic bearings and all) would hold up to such abuse versus, say, typcial steel spoked/bearings wheels? Thanks for insights.
They should be fine. If you have any problems there's the three year warranty. If something doesn't go wrong within the 3 years that's good going. I have a set of their gravel wheels and they are tough as nails on rough, rocky sections.
Is this an advertisement section of "drive wheels"? I have been whatching you and I have never seen these wheels on your bikes. Are those really excelent wheels?
I only have a rim brake bike. How do the Drive carbon rim brakes compare to traditional aluminum rim brake wheels (I have Campagnolo Shamal Ultra C17)?
@@stevenleffanue Thank you. Have you actually ridden the Ultra C17s? They have very low rolling resistance using Continental C25s. So, I am a bit surprised that the Drives would be faster. Also, my concern is the Drive 40d are a much taller profile and I fear the cross winds will make the bike unstable. I weigh 160 lbs (72.3 kilograms). Does the wide wheel geometry offset the obtrusiveness of the wheel to cross winds?
He has missed out the theory behind it: 105 silca rule of aerodynamics, is in a blog. Just google it. You look at the internal width which spreads the width of the tire. Thé élite are mostly 28mm external & often 21mm internal. They are amongst the best. The patent is gone for the DT Swiss hub 240s. So they now have this technology built in. The end caps slip off easily but can be replaced with tighter tolerances of real DT Swiss hub end caps sold all over. I own 3 sets. Elite were so helpful and allowed me to buy some 50 rear & 40 front as I do mixed uk terrain. My 4th set is just in & is 45mm for all terrain again: 1320g! Great value for money 💰.
Been watching them myself, their carbon fiber spoke version carrying hubs with a ratchet system. Problem for them is they are hardly known so it's difficult to choose them over a winspace or elite. Hambini did a video on one of their lower end (non carbon spoked) wheel sets
28mm outer width is too narrow by today's standards. Probably perfect if you ride competitevely professionally, but if you are just an amature I think 28c tyre is a bit too harsh. As long as you start riding anywhere away from a perfectly smooth tarmac it is probably not better than 30-32c even for professional athletes. Also, for the price you could probably get DT Swiss 350 or even 240 from the biggest players, not noname hubs.
I run 25C GP5000 with TPU tubes in Melbourne and Girona and there's no problem at all with comfort. 65kg, 95psi. Wider tyres are more comfortable but slower.
Best VALUE Carbon Fibre Wheelsets are without Doubt the Roval Rapide CLX Aero Wheelsets or the Roval Rapide CLX 32 mm Climbing Wheels. None of the Chinese carbon fiber wheelsets have been designed in a ( Win Tunnel ) Specializeds name 4 there wind tunnel.
@@myxti3669 the 1st Edition were 1400 grams . So 4 DEEP SECTION CARBON FIBER WHEELSETS thats light , very light . And l have ×3 sets of them . U could go 4 the over priced Partington Australian Wheelsets $10 k per pair . Very lite . But absolutely no Wind Tunnel Testing. Just a guess work shape . Would never ride The Over weight 1520 2nd edition Tubeless. Backwards technology 4 Road Bikes . Gr8 4 low pressure MTB & Gravel ...... The only way Roval could improve there wheels is with carbon spokes
@@DeveryAndrews if u ever have the opportunity 2 ride a pair of the 1st edition Roval Rapide CLX Aero Wheelsets 51/61 or even purchase a set & they are in gr8 Nick . Get em . Sensational in the Wind . Possibly on par with there climbing Roval Rapide CLX 32 's
Big Mistake by Roval. Picked up my ×3 sets brand new . Got them cheap . Cheapest was $2900 AUD Dearest $3380 AUD My bike mechanic heads off 2 Europe ×2 a yr for Pro Tour Peloton Duties. ❤❤ the 1st edition. My SL8 is 6.72 kilos ride away. TPU Tubes. Printed Power Saddle & Time Xpro 15 Pedals . Beautifull 2 Ride .
Yes, the goal is hookless and that’s why mtb rims are needed. There is a relation between hight and width, slimness which is key to reduce turbulent flow. The aero advantages are less when increasing the width of the rim and tires.
The only Bontrager wheels that are 25mm internal are the "V" models which are more of an "all-road/gravel" wheelset. The road wheels such as RSL 51/62 are 23mm internal.
I take it that you are now recomending this wheelset for everyday riding? Recall your first review stated only for raceday. Lookijg at getting the drives but 40d since i live and ride near the beach (carinbean island)
well, i have 40 c tires on my CX bike, with 19c rims, if i go wider rims, frame cant fit my 40c tires... what im saying is, it all depends on many aspects.
Great video again love the wheels and the quick step shirt I currently run ultegra r8000 and am looking at going from 1130 to 1134. Is this a good cassette combination for climbing? And up grading my dot Swiss ratchet to 54 tooth Thanks
It is funny for someone deep into lubricant to try to mount a tyre without soap... a basic missed by so many mechanics, even more with recreational riders.
Thanks for the detailed review! Would you recommend the gravel rims for a road bike running 30-32c tyres then, as those rims have an outer width of 31mm? The 24mm internal may balloon the tyre slightly wider I suppose.
thanks for sharing. just came here after some of your videos on the freehub and bearings replacement, really helpfull. look, i just realized after learning all of these that my hub is a piece of crap. i need a 12mm allen key to remove the freehub from the non drive side and its really stuck. so it looks like you cant just choose a hub and put in any wheel right? so what woudl be your sugestion on a cost/benefit regarding service for a long distance rider ? thanks for any help
What particular configuration was that of the Drive wheels on your left hand at 9:30? External/ internal widths and tire size.. if possible tire size at inflated pressure 😅 thanks a lot
I have never payed FULL PRICE 4 my ×6 sets of Roval Rapide CLX Wheelsets. I have just Fluked sensational prices every time ⏲️ l went looking . 5 sets were brand new & ×1 set were a mates race wheels used ×12 times ⏲️. $750 . All are disk brakes . ×3?××
Thanks for the discount. I just ordered a 50/65 set.
This video is the only one I found with great information. I've been trying to decide between Elite Wheel Drive 50D. I now now know Drive is the way to go. PS I'll be putting those wheels on my Polygon A7X with vicotia Corsa Pro Thank you very much Sir.
I bought the 40D about 6 months ago. Love them. Zero issues. Fit and finish is fantastic.
Just wanted to say how good that Aeroad still looks.
Yeh the old Aeroads still look cool hey.👍
My 2015 Roval CLX 60s have over 67,000 miles. I replaced the original bearings…that’s it. I’d buy another set in a heartbeat based on my experience with this brand.
The new Roval are brilliant as well. Well built & RoadCC tested these in the real world, they won. The Roval like reserve, & Cadex are even wider wheelsets. That’s the rule of 105 of aerodynamics.
That's 143 miles a week. That's a lot of miles!
Specialized designed there Aero Wheelsets Roval Rapide CLX Aero Wheelsets for 26 mm tires . I use 28 mm 4 comfort, but racing or xtra fast training l stick with Specialized recommendation on the 26 mm
The "best value" are the carbon hoops you get from a pro team that is folding or changing equipment. Takes some time and energy but I just bought a brand new set of VISION SL30s for about 30 % of the retail price - brand new tubies glued on (yes I will reglue before riding).
Excellent comprehensive analysis
Polish does not fill in scratches, wax does! Polish is an abrasive not a sealant or surface overlay.
He`s talking `bout nailpolish. Its different to polish to get it shiny.
4:12 Contact patch is a function of pressure predominantly for those forms.
They will make them full black if you ask. Friend got the G45 Drive full matte.
Great video - A question re aerodynamics. If you have 28mm external rim width wouldn't you match it with a 26mm tyre rather than a 28mm? I've found that most tyres are wider than the listed measurements when pumped up. The 26mm becomes closer to a 28mm in a Pirelli. Whereas a 28mm would become a 30mm creating the tyre bulge over the rim that you illustrate in your video?
Yes you are correct, and Continental have more an oval shape too. So slight variations in shape depending what brand tyre.
@@stevenleffanue what tire brand offers the less bulgier/more oval shape? Im looking to minimize NOT the millimeters wide of the tire but the millimeters height comming out from of the wheel edge.
I like my 50Ds
Got me a set 40V last summer feels and look great on my Giant TCR advanced0
The story of wider is faster and more comfortable is like thick paint 😂 at my weight and size the most comfortable is a 25c and a box section rim.
34c is just too wide, bikes feel and handles like a 4WD which is something that not many people address, hence the vintage bikes still ride smoother. Cheers from Oz🇦🇺
Train on cheap Chinese rubber, 35s. Race on 25/28s. Been doing it for years, few/no flats, less wear on race wheels, added work/strength from riding heavier wheels. And gives you some use for the wheels that came with bike, most of the time.
Wider is faster because of many factors. Road vibration, contact patch, tire/rim interface....it's been proven time and time again that modern tires are MUCH faster than the old 19-23mm tires. Harder tires feel harsh which our minds equate to faster.
@@HolmsOnBikes older metal wheels had to be thin to be light, new carbon wheels can be wide and still be light. the lighter tire will always be faster
thanks for discussing elite wheels (a long term review) - I would of like to hear your thoughts on the nipples and corrosion if any and are there options to order wheels with brass nipples?
As long as the anodising remains on the outside surface of the nipples they want corrode. Damage, abrasion or salt will start corrosion. I doubt Elite wheels give the option of brass nopples.
Would running 30mm or 32mm tires with the 28mm outer width affect the aero gains?
Put the tyre on, pump it up and check if the shape of the tyre-rim combination is aerofoil.
Love all three sets of elite wheels I have. However he is over complicating the width. I run 40c gravel challenge xp tires on my 55 deep elite road wheels and the tire shape is perfect. Look it up the gravel seen is using road wheels and gravel tires pretty commonly these days. Saw it all over the place at unbound this year in Ks.
Thank for this very helpful video. I live and ride in Belgium which is a great place to ride but has plenty of long strerches of sometims-rough cobbles.
I've got my eyes on the Elite Drive 50D but am wondering how they (carbon spokes/ceramic bearings and all) would hold up to such abuse versus, say, typcial steel spoked/bearings wheels?
Thanks for insights.
They should be fine. If you have any problems there's the three year warranty. If something doesn't go wrong within the 3 years that's good going. I have a set of their gravel wheels and they are tough as nails on rough, rocky sections.
would drive 50v be an alternative for rim brakes? nice video and channel btw, like it a lot! 😊
Yes , the 50v is rim brake.
thanks, great video!
Wish the rim brake version was also 21mm internal. They are 19.5. The Winspace Hyper rim brake wheels are 21 internal. But these look better.
25 inner with 28C tire. perfect match, 19inner with 25C perfect.
Unless you are riding on dirt roads I don't think you don't need anything wider than 30mm on a road bike.
Is this an advertisement section of "drive wheels"? I have been whatching you and I have never seen these wheels on your bikes. Are those really excelent wheels?
I ride a lot without video taking too. Watch the previous unbox and review video on the drive wheels you can see me riding them.
I only have a rim brake bike. How do the Drive carbon rim brakes compare to traditional aluminum rim brake wheels (I have Campagnolo Shamal Ultra C17)?
Using carbon specific brake pads, the Drives will be fine. Although your Shamals are nice wheels, the Drives will feel even better....faster.
@@stevenleffanue Thank you. Have you actually ridden the Ultra C17s? They have very low rolling resistance using Continental C25s. So, I am a bit surprised that the Drives would be faster. Also, my concern is the Drive 40d are a much taller profile and I fear the cross winds will make the bike unstable. I weigh 160 lbs (72.3 kilograms). Does the wide wheel geometry offset the obtrusiveness of the wheel to cross winds?
Thats why Specialized have a 51 front 60 tear & are sensational in X Winds & there profile is designed perfectly 4 all conditions
When did hybrid ceramic bearings suddenly become good for a normal person (not a pro rider)?
waaaait..... I've never seen someone who's not a Korean and own a AVIIAV's top-end ALDO wheelset....
How in the world did you get to own them...?
He has missed out the theory behind it:
105 silca rule of aerodynamics, is in a blog. Just google it.
You look at the internal width which spreads the width of the tire. Thé élite are mostly 28mm external & often 21mm internal. They are amongst the best. The patent is gone for the DT Swiss hub 240s. So they now have this technology built in. The end caps slip off easily but can be replaced with tighter tolerances of real DT Swiss hub end caps sold all over.
I own 3 sets. Elite were so helpful and allowed me to buy some 50 rear & 40 front as I do mixed uk terrain. My 4th set is just in & is 45mm for all terrain again: 1320g!
Great value for money 💰.
proX
Been watching them myself, their carbon fiber spoke version carrying hubs with a ratchet system. Problem for them is they are hardly known so it's difficult to choose them over a winspace or elite. Hambini did a video on one of their lower end (non carbon spoked) wheel sets
@@cornelhughes6763 elite were in same boat 4 years ago when I bought entry level wheels off them for 400 euro still going strong today
Looking for proX for gravel/ cross wheels
28mm outer width is too narrow by today's standards. Probably perfect if you ride competitevely professionally, but if you are just an amature I think 28c tyre is a bit too harsh. As long as you start riding anywhere away from a perfectly smooth tarmac it is probably not better than 30-32c even for professional athletes. Also, for the price you could probably get DT Swiss 350 or even 240 from the biggest players, not noname hubs.
I run 25C GP5000 with TPU tubes in Melbourne and Girona and there's no problem at all with comfort. 65kg, 95psi. Wider tyres are more comfortable but slower.
What about the rule of 105??
So rule 105 means rim is 29.4mm or tyre is 26.6mm ?
Rim sould be 105% of the actually measured tire
Best VALUE Carbon Fibre Wheelsets are without Doubt the Roval Rapide CLX Aero Wheelsets or the Roval Rapide CLX 32 mm Climbing Wheels. None of the Chinese carbon fiber wheelsets have been designed in a ( Win Tunnel ) Specializeds name 4 there wind tunnel.
Yet the CLX aero are heavy and dead feeling
@@myxti3669 the 1st Edition were 1400 grams . So 4 DEEP SECTION CARBON FIBER WHEELSETS thats light , very light . And l have ×3 sets of them . U could go 4 the over priced Partington Australian Wheelsets $10 k per pair . Very lite . But absolutely no Wind Tunnel Testing. Just a guess work shape . Would never ride The Over weight 1520 2nd edition Tubeless. Backwards technology 4 Road Bikes . Gr8 4 low pressure MTB & Gravel ...... The only way Roval could improve there wheels is with carbon spokes
@@robertphillips3078 You're correct, I mistakenly was referencing the CLX II's. Terrible wheel.
I have the original CLX 60s with hidden nipples, DT Swiss hubs and they have been bulletproof.
@@DeveryAndrews if u ever have the opportunity 2 ride a pair of the 1st edition Roval Rapide CLX Aero Wheelsets 51/61 or even purchase a set & they are in gr8 Nick . Get em . Sensational in the Wind . Possibly on par with there climbing Roval Rapide CLX 32 's
Promo-SM
Big Mistake by Roval. Picked up my ×3 sets brand new . Got them cheap . Cheapest was $2900 AUD
Dearest $3380 AUD
My bike mechanic heads off 2 Europe ×2 a yr for Pro Tour Peloton Duties. ❤❤ the 1st edition. My SL8 is 6.72 kilos ride away. TPU Tubes. Printed Power Saddle & Time Xpro 15 Pedals .
Beautifull 2 Ride .
Interesting video thanks. Seem like the industry is really going forward with larger inner width. New bontrager aeolus are 25mm inner
Yes, the goal is hookless and that’s why mtb rims are needed. There is a relation between hight and width, slimness which is key to reduce turbulent flow. The aero advantages are less when increasing the width of the rim and tires.
The only Bontrager wheels that are 25mm internal are the "V" models which are more of an "all-road/gravel" wheelset. The road wheels such as RSL 51/62 are 23mm internal.
@@HolmsOnBikesRSL 37V does exist, Quite a few brand are on 25mm internal most well known are ENVE.
@ilgour yes. As I said, only the "V" models have 25mm internal. I was just clarifying original commenters statement.
Very good video. Comprehensive in discussion ❤
I think that the "Campagnolo Bora Ultra" are the best wheels in the world: their hubs have no rivals!
Great presentation mate
I take it that you are now recomending this wheelset for everyday riding? Recall your first review stated only for raceday. Lookijg at getting the drives but 40d since i live and ride near the beach (carinbean island)
Please don't touch the disc surface! yes I know you will probably clan it but prevention is better than cure!!! 😱
It used to be a light roll of the wheel, the valve should stop at various locations, not the bottom.
well, i have 40 c tires on my CX bike, with 19c rims, if i go wider rims, frame cant fit my 40c tires... what im saying is, it all depends on many aspects.
Absolutely. Wider tyre/rim combinations require wider seatstays and forks.
Have you ever reviewed or analyzed the Magene DB508’s?
Great video again love the wheels and the quick step shirt I currently run ultegra r8000 and am looking at going from 1130 to 1134. Is this a good cassette combination for climbing? And up grading my dot Swiss ratchet to 54 tooth Thanks
The size of cassette depends on your circumstances. If not sure, use the larger 11-34
It is funny for someone deep into lubricant to try to mount a tyre without soap... a basic missed by so many mechanics, even more with recreational riders.
In the workshop yes but no-one carries soap when on a ride.
Thanks for the detailed review! Would you recommend the gravel rims for a road bike running 30-32c tyres then, as those rims have an outer width of 31mm? The 24mm internal may balloon the tyre slightly wider I suppose.
Yes, you can , I have done that, and it works just fine, except the road bike has a tyre width limit, but the gravel can accept much wider than 32c.
I run a 40c on my 55 deep road wheels and they are fantastic.
What about an inspection for the condition of the carbon spokes ?
Yeah, I should have shown them but they are just fine.
Which chain are you using for your road bike?
Connex 11sx
thanks for sharing. just came here after some of your videos on the freehub and bearings replacement, really helpfull. look, i just realized after learning all of these that my hub is a piece of crap. i need a 12mm allen key to remove the freehub from the non drive side and its really stuck. so it looks like you cant just choose a hub and put in any wheel right? so what woudl be your sugestion on a cost/benefit regarding service for a long distance rider ? thanks for any help
What brand and model hub do you have there?
@@stevenleffanue the hub is Cube (bike is Cube). the only thing i could find on the freehub is 22-i-3 . its a gravel 28`` disk brakes
MTB , gravel or road bike?
@@stevenleffanue Gravel
"NUROAD" ?
What particular configuration was that of the Drive wheels on your left hand at 9:30? External/ internal widths and tire size.. if possible tire size at inflated pressure 😅 thanks a lot
I have never payed FULL PRICE 4 my ×6 sets of Roval Rapide CLX Wheelsets.
I have just Fluked sensational prices every time ⏲️ l went looking . 5 sets were brand new & ×1 set were a mates race wheels used ×12 times ⏲️. $750 .
All are disk brakes . ×3?××
All this is horse shit if you are not racing just ride and enjoy, don't forget this see called pro are on drugs too😅😅😅