2018 Powerstroke Diesel Ford F150 Official Review, Dyno, and Walkaround - The Haul
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- In this video, Justin reviews and dynos the all-new 2018 Ford F150 Powerstroke Diesel to see how it compares to Ford's other F150s.
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Do you think the Diesel F150 is worth it? Which F150 Engine is your favorite?
Did you have any problems with the traction control kicking in on the Dyno?
Im with you all the way.......if the price gap was 8 to 10 k from 150 to 250 then its hands down stay with a half ton , but if for the same money i can buy 900 ft lbs of torque and 2 times as much towing, i dont understand FORDS logic
no i think the decision to only sell it in a lariat and up was a bad one, one that will kill the option the guys this applies to are priced out and the guys who have the money can buy something better
i was just on fords page i can get a decked out 6.7 F350 crew cab 8ft long box F4X in an LX trim for 55k and i would have 10 times the truck for 5,000 less
to make the 3.0 sell well they need to sell it publicly in the XL and in the 8 ft long box and get the price down into the 30k range like 30k-40k tops
the way the price is now what's the point of buying an F150 when for the same price you van have an f250
@@Friedrich-Wilhelm-1980 dag
I really respect you guys being honest about the new Ford diesel. I’ve been giving it a lot of thought myself - I can think of two use-case scenarios where it makes sense. 1. In the Limited model - with 22” wheels you are already reducing your towing capacity from 13,500lbs to 11,200lbs which is more in-line with the capability of the engine. You are probably using it as a city truck, so fuel economy is most important. 2. Industry professionals - while the gas engine alternatives have more power, they drink fuel under load, so if you carry a load or tow a trailer the majority of the time, you will likely see a return on investment in fuel economy.
I had both 3.5L eco and the 3.0L powerstroke. The powerstroke is towing our 7k camper much better in the mountains than the EcoBoost and getting just about double the towing fuel mileage. On paper maybe the Eco looks good in reality the powerstroke wins hands down when towing.
While I've never had an eco boost I do have a 04 navigator and 03 suburban. The difference towing isn't even close. I was planning on buying a platinum but Ford doesn't want my money.
I think your analysis is spot on. There’s tons of people who would love to have a diesel half ton. But not at the cost of a 3/4 ton. If they offered these in the 40-50k range it would probably do well.
I’ve waited for this truck for so freaken long but when you break down the numbers how can you not go with the F250
Steve Irnwitt when you look at the piece of an F250 diesel, how could you not go with the F350 diesel? Better rear axle, increased payload. $1000 more.
Alex Stelling your so right
Alex Stelling you just left me even more confused 😅
Miko Catan haha the next one up is always not much more. But I think if I were after an F150, I would get one of the two EcoBoosts. The diesel really doesn’t make much sense. But then F250s make very little sense. F350s are only $500-1000 more without any drawbacks.
I was waiting for it too way back and understand where you're coming from. I ask though, "Have you driven and rode around in an F250 (Super Duty in general)?" I have one. I have also driven a lot of F150s. There is a big ride quality difference between the two. The F150 is closer to a car and the F250 rides like a carriage. Turning radius is tighter on an F150. Fuel economy is better on an F150. Maintenance is most likely less on an F150 (wait until a Super Duty part breaks... they are expensive and heavy). Pretty much if you're using this in a city, you want an F150 (I have parallel parked my 250 many times and it's not what I call enjoyable).
I would get the F150 if I didn't need to tow/pull heavy loads. If you're looking for a highway star for light towing (under 10,000 lbs), the F150 is the truck. If you don't need to tow and just need something to haul things, get one of the gasser options.
Nobody is making affordable trucks anymore.
Yep. Anything more than a commuter is pushing 50k or more. Greed greed greed.
Something's probably happening behind scenes cheaper material going into these trucks Price's skyrocketing they are milking it till the end might be the end of diesels idk I'm pretty lit rn
I think 300 hp. and 500 ft.lbs of torque would have made more sense..something to compete with the EcoBoost with better fuel economy.
Fordfanone yea, but why should they need to compete with their own engine. The 3.5eco is better, cheaper, less maintenance. They just did this to match dodge
They added the diesel to meet cafe standards and co2 emissions! Come on get some education and look at the big picture! Ford knows adding the extremely expensive diesel is stupid.
Deleted and tuned it will probably surpass the 300/550 numbers you’d like to see
@@dillonlackus6667 less maintenance ??? are you sure gas engine have plugs and wires to change diesels dont have that
I think Ford really messed up not offering the diesel in the XL and XLT trim. I think it would have stimulated more sales.
Exactly. Can anyone explain to me why the fuck manufacturers keep doing this? VW did the same thing. You couldnt get a base model car with the turbo diesel four. Put all this work and developement into the vehicle, and then ensure it doesnt sell.
They're doing the same thing as chevy did with the 6.2 they force you to buy a higher trim level and spend more money. It's not gonna work
The problem with diesel sales in America is a catch-22.
The sales are low because the price of most diesels is high, either because they're locked in high trim levels, or because the diesel is locked behind a very expensive "upgrade" option. So they don't want to risk losing money by putting the diesel in the low trims or making them cheaper because they're such low volume sales...BUT, if the diesels were put in the cheaper trims/made cheaper to option, more people would buy them.
Basically, until somebody takes the risk and just puts a diesel in the entry level trims of an affordable vehicle that isn't a 3/4 ton pickup or bigger, we won't see diesels be viable in the market.
Definitely would have taken the 3.0L turbo diesel over the 3.5 V6. Still, went with the 5.0L in the end and I'm very satisfied.
@@trp2413 - Ford owns Land Rover
That engine belongs to the new ranger
If you like Overpowered Trucks then use the Aftermarket
This. The new Ranger is a bloated midsize truck. It would be a winning combination. That is why it will never happen. The oil companies don't want diesels running around using less fuel.
How? So your engine is more capable for towing than your chassis and suspension?
@@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8 how would the Ranger be overpowered with this 3.0 diesel in it? The 2.3 makes 20 more HP and the 3.0 makes 130 ft lbs more torque.
Ya really disappointed they didn’t put it in the ranger like they do in other countries. Was really hoping they would listen on that
Great video I own since new a 2002 F150 XLT 5.4 Triton 2 valve 4x4 with 4 speed auto 135,000 miles with 3.55 tow package and happy that I get 13 mpg.
It makes sense if you're a high miler. I see this engine being best suited for job site managers that are running around to multiple sites a day and hooking up to a trailer weighing in at a max of 7k any heavier the 250 6.7 is the way to go. The 3.5 eb is awesome ive had one but once you hook a trailer to it your mpgs get into single digits quickly i doubt this little diesel will be impacted that bad if you stay in the 5-7k range
Fair point- thanks for commenting Andrew! -Justin
I ordered and received an F350 loaded lariat diesel, superbcab 6.5 bed single rear wheel w/ 6.7 that stickered at 67,000. Negotiated to 62,000 with tax, extended warranty and disability insurance. Had it 16 months, truck has been perfect.
Id love to try this truck on a cross-country trip with my Airstream. Compare it to the 2,7 eco. Thanks for review
I love dyno videos of new stock cars and trucks
Half ton Diesel's make perfect sense to me and the previous LEDs were unequalled but agree the new ones are not deal breakers.
This truck with a tune...BEAST!!!
A year later with Ford's employee pricing these Diesel F-150's make sense. Big discounts.
I bought a new 2018 4x4 screw Lariat in October 2018. I looked at the diesel, but since the 3.5l ecoboost exists, I didn't see the reason to spend the extra money. I bought the lariat because I wanted it. I bought the 3.5l and 4x4 because I needed it.
The diesel makes sense for someone that tows toys on the weekends and daily’s it on the weekdays. I haven’t seen reports on the towing mpg, but I’m guessing it’ll be better than the other engine options. The mpg it gets is why I’d buy the diesel.
You'd have to drive this truck for almost 45 years to break even for the diesel upcharge at current fuel prices
I drove one and wanted to buy it but realized all the points you have mentioned even before watching this video and wound up buying a 3.5L ecoboost. And I love it. The best thing about the new powerstroke f150 to me is how refined and quiet it is. But if you are trying to impress your f250 diesel friends, think again because you may get laughed out of the parking lot. I really wanted to like this truck. It is nice. But not enough to pull the trigger on one.
I can't wait to get one.
Great points Dave, thanks for watching. -Justin
Selling you things you don't need, at prices you can't afford, for reasons you can't justify.
Sounds like a quote from fight club. -Justin
what blows me away is how people can afford these prices with everyday life. i have to buy used few years old and its a big deal. lol i wish i made more money like everyone else.
@@klfer All they look at as the monthly payment, even if it is for 120 months to get the payment down. If people had to pay cash for their vehicles the amount of new vehicles on the road (and high trim level vehicles) would be greatly reduced.
I like this F 150 diesel !!!!
It can make sense in a few ways, looking at the Dyno numbers you can see that it actually has more horsepower down low so while driving normal, it may actually be more powerful that the other engines. Another factor for the towing is that even thoguh it can perhaps tow a bit less weight than some of the other engines, it will tow with MUCH more fuel efficiency. Same as with the supeeduty trucks. Of you tow a lot the fuel economy might be vastly different
Definitely think it's unnecessary for the price to performance. I think Ford should move the other direction if they want to make new options. EcoBoost the V8.
If they did that I'd sell my 2011 3.5 eco so quick lol... a twin turbo V8 ecoboost from ford would be on back order for months I'm assuming. But it would be so worth it.
I would seriously consider trading my 2017 3.5l for a 5.0l EcoBoost
Yes,, make it the eco-yote!
Not being a smart ass but what benefit would one see if Ford EcoBoosts the V8? I have a 2017 F150 in a V8 and I'm very happy with its performance so far.
We are planning to install this on my F150 sites.google.com/site/ModifiedF150
I have owned both the 3.5 ltr ecoboost and currently own a 2018 3.0 Powerstroke, and hands down the 3.0 diesel is a better towning platform. I tow 7000lbs of travel trailer cross country and can boast 16 to 18 miles per gallon towing depending on terrain. Wile pulling a load my 2016 3.5 eco it would always spin tires from dead start and get 11 miles per gallon towing. I have racked up 30 mpg with no load on the highway with the diesel and mine is a 4x4. Very user friendly to drive as a day to day vehicle.
I’d like to see a lot more from this engine. Right now, it under delivers for the price tag. Hopefully Ford will bump the displacement up and/or refine it like the modular engine series to get more out of it.
I think its a good idea, and its the first year ford released it so of course it’ll get improved over the next couple years. But they definitely need to lower the price a little bit and give it a little more hp(300-350hp would be nice)
My 2.7 Ecoboost 4x4 supercrew ran very close to those mpg numbers given for the 4x4 model and regular gas is a lot cheaper than diesel fuel in Canada.
same here
For that kind of price, I'd go with the F250 Super Duty.
Either that or buy a ram ecodiesel. I bought a leftover one for $12,000 off msrp at 40g out the door. I love love love this truck and motor. Quite, smooth, and great mpg.
Considering how many people I've seen and heard of blowing up the Ecodiesel at sub-30k I would avoid that motor like the plague.
Depends. It’s a great truck if you do a lot of driving.
new models always have horror stories. I take the internet with a grain of salt since you will only hear about problems instead of people praising them. I personally think user abuse is the problem with the engine rather than the engine itself. Diesels like to run hard and not used as a grocery getter. Until my warranty is up I really dont give a shit as long as they cover it.
@@MattSmith-vl8zp I wouldn't call an engine that has been out since 2014 a new model.
I have a 2016 2.7l and get 19-20mpg on average. I really like the diesel though. I might wait till the hybrid comes out when I buy another one.
Good video, and I agree. Far too expensive to justify that diesel when it really does nothing better than already offered motors.
I always think of diesel trucks as high mileage vehicles. This might be a good investment if it becomes the 7.3 of its weight class as far as longevity is concerned. Only time will tell, but I'm glad that we finally have a diesel option in a smaller package like the rest of the world has had for the past 50 years!!!
Bought one last week. Lariat with the 501a package. Couldn't be happier. I Lemon Lawed my 2017 King Ranch with the 5.0 and decided to go with the Powerstroke. I'll be doing light towing and it's my daily driver. So far I'm averaging 21.5 mpg and I live in a hilly area.
Scott Dudash I lemon lawed my 2018 f150 3.5 CC 4x4 and went with a 2019 f250 CC Lariat diesel last month. I had a 225 mile trip today and averaged 19.2 when hand calculated. In my eco boost 3.5, I never got much over 19 but most of the time it was really more like 16.3. I couldn’t be happier with my big diesel...very impressive power and mpgs! And woohoo no Stop/Start engine! Lol
downvote for you neo
@Trigger Troll mods? Cause it ain't hitting 100mph trap stock.
How does the HP compare during normal acceleration, hills, mountains? Does the 3.5 EB rev too high for the extra HP?
Would like to see how a deleted and tuned version compares.
It makes sense for people who don't tow all the time yet may be one that travels over the road for work or whatever. If one is going to be putting tons of highway miles and the only thing that gets the most wear on the truck is the drivers seat, it makes sense. Because the diesel will hold its value better regardless of higher mileage.
Only real benefit seems like MPG, but will the maintenance cost offset that benefit? I’d go with a F250 if towing was a priority.
Do a EcoBoost vs diesel mpg test while towing. Thats where the diesel makes sense.
Which only represents like 0.5% of pickup truck useage.
You’ll never amortize the fuel savings unless you’re towing every day... which is why I gladly bought a gasser.
@@Bartonovich52 really 0.5%? Make a point if you have one but be real about. 0.5% is asinine.
@@Bartonovich52 costs you 7.7 cents per mile in the diesel at 25 mpg. Costs you 7.1 cents a mile in the gas if gas is 2.99 and diesel is 3.29. You want to cry abkut half a cent a mile go ahead. The difference when towing helps the diesels case more. Keep your gasser since you aren't doing much work with your truck. Those of us that do will choose the diesel.
Love my '18 3.5 eco. Towing, smooth power and quiet.
Do you have a horsepower dyno chart comparing 3.5 EB vs. 3.0 Diesel vs. V8?
Question is the new ford f150 still have that shake like body vibration
Very good, honest review, which is hard to find these days.
Thanks! -Justin
Would rather go super duty, at that price.
What is the maintenance cost of the 3.0 powerstroke compared to the 3.5 Ecoboost.
This engine would make a lot more sense in the xl and XLT trucks since the 1/2 ton diesel is marketed for money saving via better gas mileage. What good does a few mpg buy me if I have to cough up lariat money + a $5k engine option to get it?
Just picked up a used ‘18 3L for a really great deal, optioned out as well. Any suggestions on performance mods?
Stealth module has made mine much funner to drive.
Would love to get one, but on a lower trim level.
I'm very curious how you never achieved the advertised mileage out of the 2.7L? I worked in a ford dealership for 2 years and I've seen them running up to 24mpg and the worst I ever saw was 18. I have no idea there driving styles, but saw plenty of them well over 21mpg.
My 19` 6.7 driven nicely around town doesn't even get 16mpg, probably closer to 15 (I'm under 3K on it though). This 3.0 truck is out there for the person who wants to daily a pickup and get decent fuel mileage who also wants to be able to tow more than the average person, but not enough to justify super duty territory. It is an interesting segment, I wonder how much of a MPG boost a stripped down XL truck would see....
Wonder how long the massive difference in price will take to pay off the increase in light towing fuel economy gain?
I absolutely agree with you about it not being necessary.
The 3.0 puts out more torque at 2100 rpm 75 mph cruising and gets 22 mpg average compared to that pig 3.5 gas at 16 mpg. It is the best engine in the Ford lineup
For me to buy a diesel truck wouldn’t make sense. I use my 2015 F-150 3.5L EB for trips to Home Depot, pull a 8ft trailer from time to time and some trails here and there, with that being said the new 3.0L power stroke Diesel engine would be useless for me. But I’m sure it’s the perfect fit for some of the truck guys out here.
Running from BC into Montana I'm getting 9.4-9.5l/100kms or 25mpg with 2018 2.7l XLT 4wd super crew with 2 adult passengers.
I work at Ford and I haven't seen these yet. Must be rare
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Dude I’m with you. I really don’t think it is necessary. What exactly is the point and the market?
I have one and went from 20 mpg in my ecoboost to 28 mpg in my new powerstroke
Yes!
I'm retired, own a camper (7000 GVW) and tow on occasion. In addition to our family sedan, we owned a Chevy duramax 3500 crew cab with a 6.5 ft bed. That's a big truck. One needs to live with it for a year to truly appreciate how big it is. That said, we wanted to get down to one vehicle - one that my wife could drive daily, comfortably. The one ton truck was just too big, so we bought a f150 with the 3.5 ecoboost. Yes, towing capacity is less than the Chevy and payload capacity much more so. Life can be a compromise, and we'll have to keep track of our payload certainly while towing, but the f150 makes perfect sense in this roll. If they got more power and torque out of their diesel, I would have considered it. Maybe the next version will provide it.
Thanks for the feedback RDB! The 3.5 is a wonderful engine and sounds like its treating you and the family great so far! -Justin
I think what some people aren't considering is the MPG while towing. The diesel is going to be much better verses gas engines. I think the target for this engine would be for buyers who tow a couple of times a month who also don't want a larger truck for commuting.
This engine will be install in Ranger Raptor and release by mid 2022. How was this engine? Is there any issue?
I’m gonna guess that when you’re towing with the 3.5 eco boost you’ll be spinning the turbos and the mileage will really suck. But, with the diesel, not so much. So that could be a real advantage with the diesel. It’d be interesting to do a mileage test under load.
Jonathan Halsey The Ike gauntlet guys did the comparison and it was only like 2.2 mpg better but was slower and has no engine brake. So, yes, it’s better mpgs but it’s not really made for pulling. And neither is the 3.5EB. I know from experience! I had a 2018 3.5EB... it was quick when empty but as soon as you put over 2,000 lbs it’s sluggish, mpgs Plummet (only avg 16.2 unloaded) and you could tell it was laboring. If you pull anything, and I mean anything - there’s only one choice and that’s f250 6.7 diesel. Hands down a superior product!
They should have done a small v8 diesel kinda like Cummins like a 4.4 or a 4.8. But I think the main reason is all about meeting the mpg guidelines.
I would love a half ton diesel F150, however I will not spend the money for a lariat spec and greater for an engine option. It annoys me that Ford is only selling XL and XLT packages to fleet consumers. Ford is missing out on sales.
I'm thinking about getting rid of my Toyota tundra and repreplacing it with the new Ford diesel. I drive a lot of miles. On average 45,000-50,000 a year. I also tow three snowmobiles behind it during the winter. So thinking that the greater mpg, the 100k mile warranty over the 60k warranty on the EcoBoost, the towing capabilities, the possible better trade in value, and hopeful longevity of the proven motor would be better for my driving style over the EcoBoost. Thoughts?
This Diesel engine is the only reason I’m thinking about buying a F150.
I just bought the V8 F-150 (2018) and traded in a 2016 F250 6.7L...worlds apart in power...honestly, for my driving (kids to school, and commuting to work)...too much truck...I was attracted to the motor....just not attracted to the maintenance on that 6.7...waaay too expensive to replace a leaking battery and wire harness (1K) not covered under warranty either...jumped into a smooth, car like driving F150 and am happy...doesn't pass cars on the highway like my diesel did, but will pass cars easily...just won't put you back in your seat....love the 5.0L gasser...
Thanks for the feedback Dave- and sweet Tele in your pic! -Justin
I am hopeful for their announced 7L V8. Such an engine is just asking for a supercharger ;-)
I’m with ya man, doesn’t really seem
to fit due to pricing, 150k fuel pump belt, and due to the stout engine lineup
Nice, but in with ya... I'll stay with my 5.0 and the 18 - 19 mpg avg ;)
i have the 2018 5.0 and love it but mainly do city driving and get about 14-15MPG with a combined about 16-17 but some highway runs im getting anywhere between 21-23 MPG if my foot is playing nice with the other drivers and not going over 65mph
I got a 16 lariat 5.0 and love it, traded my 15 Silverado 5.3 for it and would never go back!
My 2014 5.0 averages only 15.4 mpg. But.... my foot got a little heavier once I installed a Roush Cat Back Exhaust system 😈😈
@@kylegraham9006 that tends to happen haha, might want to get a BDX programmer with eco tune from oz / tuning bros. Should help out a bit.
2012 5.0 XL 4x4 with HD payload, 3.73 limited slip, e rated tires, reg cab, long bed, 105k miles and get 18-20 combined @ 6000ft elevation driving hilly to mountainous terrain. When the ecoboost or diesel guys are getting 50% higher mpg, I'd consider it, but right now they struggle to break even.
Honestly I wish more trucks and SUV had more diesel like over seas.
Nothing beats a diesel for long road trips!
Can you give me advice should i buy the f150 or the f250 diésel for work
Myself for the money involved and being a work truck, I'd buy a F250.
I will say this in regards to “performance” I have a 3.5 ecoboost yes it’s night and day FASTER than a 5.0 and gets better mpg but I have 50k miles on mine and am having issues with mine. I knew going in turbos plus gas engines aren’t a recipe for longevity but the test drive of a 5.0 back to back with the ecoboost plus the mpg gain got the best of me. Also I towed a 3000lb enclosed trailer cross country and got 8mpg... Same trailer I towed with a 2014 grand Cherokee with a comparable 3.0 diesel got 14-15 towing. So if you tow light loads this truck IS a clear cut winner vs the ecoboost . If you want to race people at stop lights on your way to your desk job or dropping the kids off at soccer practice then get the ecoboost. Reliability wise the 5.0 is probably the best option (less moving parts and they’ve been making it forever) Also worth noting everyone complains about the upfront costs of the diesel but look at used diesels vs gas with the same mileage you get a lot of that back on resale. Depends on what you use it for I guess but my experience owning a ecoboost hasn’t been a good one and I don’t feel like it’s a 250k mike truck like the old v8’s . Remember the old adage “the brightest flame burns out twice as fast”
I agree 100%. I, also have an EcoBoost and it's powerful but it's reliability worries me and it's thirsty. Ford should stroke the 5.0 to a 5.4 for added low end torque.
Are the fogs LED?
What’s that rear end ratio? 3.55?
Nice very nice
Thanks for the REAL numbers and opinions. But Ford was answering a consumer desire, and Dodge just pushed the issue.
I had a 3.0 in my ram 1500 and loved it. Put 55k on it. The fuel economy matters over the long term. I was averaging 22-23 with it. Had a hemi prior and averaged 16-17. That adds up. Fast. Was the hemi more fun. Yes. But totally impractical for my purpose. I’m a contractor so the fuel economy won out. Also when I traded I got top dollar. I had to upgrade to a 2500 for bigger payload. Long story.
That said I’m like the ram 1500 the F1 50 is a much smaller truck physically. At this point I don’t really see a reason why there is a V-8 in the truck when the eco-boost is faster it gets better fuel economy as far as upgrading to the F2 50 nobody is thinking about the sheer size of the F2 50 compared to the F1 50. Many people can’t even fit one in the garage. Let alone parking the damn thing. All of those things seem like they don’t mean anything until you own a really large truck. I had a Chevy 2500 for very brief. About three months and I hated it. I couldn’t see out of it, parking it was a complete bitch.
The point of my post is people that buy a truck or performance reasons makes no sense, buy a Mustang. People should be looking for efficiency in their truck. Vehicle over 6000 pounds never going to be fast. And spending boatloads of money to do it you could just have a fun weekend car.
Anyway back to the point, I do believe that this engine is necessary and I believe others in the truck are not. If you want diesel in a smaller package this is a great option. Not to mention they also are going to last twice as long if not more than a gas engine. That matched up with the fuel economy, I don’t even see how this is a question. Unless you’ve never owned a diesel which is probably what most of these comments are coming from. “My truck should faaaaast”. Um no. Your truck should do work. Especially when any Mazda Miata can our perform you. You want performance, get a go cart. You want something to be reliable get, good feel economy while you are working and trying to make a buck, get a diesel truck.
US is selling this new 2021 F150 Lariat PS 3.0L V6 diesel in the Philippines. Is this the same engine that is now currently in the Philippines? Then why Ford stop the production of this PS 3.0 V6 diesel? Why they are selling if they stop production?
I like it
You mention the 2.7 not getting close to the advertised fuel mileage, but I have had two of the 2.7s and they did get excellent mileage. my 2016 got over 30 highway and I got 23 on average. My 2nd 2.7 has the .355 rear and I am right on 20 MPG. Funny thing is I have the driving mode select and I get the best fuel mileage in the snow/rain mode. The performance in that mode is great.
I must have a heavy foot because my 2015 2.7 could only dream of those numbers. -Justin
@@americantrucks what rear? Also, I have no hills and I lift early.
bullcrap. The only way you got those figures in driving 50 mph--downhill
Why not compare it to the 2018 3.5 ecoboost?
As was touched upon by another poster. This Truck/engine combo would fall very nicely into the sweet spot of Travel trailer folks looking for the ability to tow moderate loads and get the fuel economy to not kill them making longer trips. We have a 2005 EB Expedition and a 6000lb TT. We average 8mpg when towing on runs to Florida and Michigan and 14mpg or so unhitched. When staring down the barrel of an $80k replacement for a new Expy the Diesel F150 is a great alternative to consider.
Also.. You can't fall for the hype surrounding max towing numbers. The simple fact of the matter is that once you get anywhere near 9-10k lbs for a 1/2 ton chassis.. You're really at the max for the weight of the tow vehicle and should be stepping up to a 250 just for stability and to keep from getting pushed around. Yes. The truck and chassis are capable of 10k+.. But if you try to tow that much weight with a 1/2 ton truck, through even rolling hills with a bit of wind and traffic it quickly devolves into an unpleasant and potentially white knuckled experience. ESPECIALLY when towing a high profiled travel trailer.
So for that market, the 27ft and under Travel trailer towers, the 3.0 diesel is a great option to have IMO.
Great response Steve- you nailed the sweet spot for this truck. -Justin
A nice motor for the new Ranger and Explorer
I had a 2014 3.5 boost 4x4 4 door and with pulling a 14x8.5 cargo trailer about 1/3 loaded i would only get 7 yes 7 MPG, worst i ever got with my 7.3 4x4 4 door long bed with 3 times the load was 11.5. even empty the fuel millage was not good unless you kept your speed around 65 or less i was not happy with my 3.5 boost in my truck
Definitely in the stock form it's nothing to write home about, when the 3.5 and 5.0 do nearly the same just has a few advantages over those, but what's really gonna answer if it's necessary is gonna be the aftermarket scene for this engine. We'll see what happens here soon with it! But the price of it definitely hampers on it compared to a Super Duty.
Fuel Economy is the only reason to even think about this truck. Most likely they added it to the "fleet" to improve the over all fleet MPG to meet government standards.
The 2018 2.7 may need a new review because mine averages 21 mpg and gets 25 mpg all day long on the highway doing 70+ mph.
I kind of want to get the 3L powerstroke as a crate motor and do a swap into my 1997 ford f150.
for some reason.
You got the right idea their to hell with that $60,000+ price tag
Justin Bechtel Put a 2.0 VW common rail tdi in it. That swap is popular for the JK Jeep Wrangler, and it will make over 300 ft/lb of torque with a tune.
Yes it’s needed. This engine gets nearly three times the MPG of the 6.7.
Also put a load on any of the eco boost engines and the mpg tanks.
Will also allow the camper guys to run diesel appliances. Lots of good reasons. Now Ford, offer it in the XL for the working man.
All very valid points Tim (although I'd argue you're being a bit generous with your mileage claims) Thanks for watching sir-Justin
Ford should have done a recall on their 5-4 motors for they know they are defective with low oil pressure but oh there's so much money in the repairs
waay off on mpgs. my 4x4 2108 3.0 powerstroke is averaging 31 highway. between 24-27 city. This truck has been an absolute dream. And that's coming from a V8 fan with a 5.0 F-150 with Bora atak exhaust. Yes I missed the sound and driving dynamics but MPg's and the quiet ride have one me over.
It was just a reason to put the Powerstroke name on the F-150
I would think the diesel is the clear winner in the ‘not catching fire and burning to the ground’ category, over the eco boost. So many oilfield operators have had fires with eco boost trucks, they’re no longer used in the Alberta oil patch
Interesting- I don't hear much about those stories but thanks for sharing. -Justin
Seems pretty cool. But for the money??
I think I’d go with the eco boost
It's is great 2 have a Diesel I'm hoping 2 make a Diesel Raptor
Delete the DPF ,etc, with the right programmer and get ~ 20% better fuel economy and better torque/HP numbers (more towing)! And with Diesel, you can make your your own Bio-fuel. Can't do either of those with a gas burner. Still, they should have made this engine's displacement a tad larger, say ~4.0L or so.
Seems to make sense for the people that put a lot of miles towing and not towing as it gets double the actual mpg’s of the 3.5 twin turbo because nobody can keep their foot out of the gas pedal
I'll stick with 6.2L in my FX4 2013 Avg 16.5 mpg and almost 19 when cruising , with 411 hp and 434 lbs, not worried about fuel mileage it's a truck not a escort lol
Agree!
Suburban daily that can do vacations and other weekend warrior stuff. This competes with the soccer mom SUV market. A minivan dad can live with.
Yeah but I would argue that engine doesn't dictate what you just said- that could apply to any power plant. But you're not wrong a pickup is just a 'manly' version of a mini van anymore...lol. -Justin
This engine would be perfect in the new ranger!!