Doing This Wrong Will DAMAGE Your Watch Movement

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  • @shinichihayakawa7619
    @shinichihayakawa7619 ปีที่แล้ว +2899

    If you follow this method, you need to set the day/date to the previous day, and then advance the hands until you reach the correct day/date and time on the dial. The point is, you can't tell if the watch mechanism is set at 6:30 in the morning or 6:30 in the evening just by looking at the hands. And so, it may cause the day/date display to change 12 hours too soon, or 12 hours too late.

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว +365

      Great tip, that is correct! Pinning this so others can see.

    • @tomasu301
      @tomasu301 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I wonder people change to smart watch because of this issue

    • @baneq105
      @baneq105 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@tomasu301 I had. I’m too stupid to set watch even not knowing about that thing. And time being a bit off always bothered me. Not sure but I think some new gshocks have Auto time sync so that’s something.

    • @andrew1898
      @andrew1898 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Damn you need to be a rocket scientist to set your watches 😂😂

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@andrew1898 LOL

  • @suyashdubey8767
    @suyashdubey8767 ปีที่แล้ว +3044

    Instructions unclear now I traveled back to 1854 and am stuck in a time loop

    • @impulsiveurge5837
      @impulsiveurge5837 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      ok

    • @realalexmackenzie
      @realalexmackenzie ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Keep your out for a DeLorean. It might help you back to this time. Watch out for the flux capacitor though. If you get too close it will magnetize your hair spring.

    • @gamblerjohn6058
      @gamblerjohn6058 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It happens

    • @nightwolf9951
      @nightwolf9951 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bro no 😢

    • @luisbill1394
      @luisbill1394 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Drugs are cool too

  • @muskrat4852
    @muskrat4852 ปีที่แล้ว +1211

    6:30 is the best time… hands down

  • @nicolajhardbass1608
    @nicolajhardbass1608 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    In 4 years of watchmaking I have heard of one very rare movement, that actually can break during this. Modern movements always have a safety mechanism to avoid breaking the watch with setting the date. Standard movements always like the 2824 ect. and also the movement shown in the video has a safety mechanism.

    • @shitfuckershit
      @shitfuckershit ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Nice to know, I was a bit worried thinking back if I'd done this
      Is that just safety from fully breaking or any damage at all?

    • @Furko08
      @Furko08 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      what about *very* quickly winding the time to move the date forward several months because about 2 years ago you didn't know that that's supposedly very bad for the watch and they actually have a way to just skip days and months? asking for a friend. (as far as I know nothing broke *yet*)

    • @Florian-Florian
      @Florian-Florian ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@shitfuckershitYou do not damage anything when it is a normal modern movement like this.

    • @gilbertoflores7397
      @gilbertoflores7397 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you look up a long Island watch video explaining it, there is a little plastic wheel thing that controls the changing of the two disks, it can snap and make the date/day function not work properly. You won't break the movement, but setting the date will not work. Thats why its advise not to do it, the fix is also easy enough, replacing that plastic part, but will be very costly taking everything apart to replace something that cost less than a few cents.

    • @frznrrfan.frznrrfan102
      @frznrrfan.frznrrfan102 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@gilbertoflores7397but if you know how to mod a simple nh35 movement which is very easy it shouldn't cost much. A watch maker shouldn't over charge for something so simple.

  • @keeganmartin1886
    @keeganmartin1886 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    Remember: the watch is DOWN for maintenance

  • @AtlGaming1
    @AtlGaming1 ปีที่แล้ว +436

    Have had this seiko for 2 years as a daily wear. Watch is an absolute beast. Punches well above its price point

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Oh yeah, I absolutely love it. What strap do you wear it on?

    • @AtlGaming1
      @AtlGaming1 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@ChronometerCheck i got a strapcode jubilee on mine.

    • @devpratap
      @devpratap ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Whats the model name?

    • @shahan484
      @shahan484 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@devpratap Seiko 5?

    • @devpratap
      @devpratap ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shahan484 yeah I searched for it, it has a few other designs as well, will do a image search maybe

  • @spinerocker
    @spinerocker ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I Set the time to 6:30 and had my beer. Cheers

  • @barryvercueil2346
    @barryvercueil2346 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I've been getting my friends into automatic watches. Your videos have helped them a lot as I'm not great at explaining. Cheers.

  • @ricolorenz7307
    @ricolorenz7307 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I just set it to the previous day, then use the hands to move the date to today. It's also good because then you don't accidently set the date to 9:00 pm instead of AM

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Smart

    • @ricolorenz7307
      @ricolorenz7307 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ChronometerCheck Hey, thanks for taking the time to leave a positive comment, even though everyone else left the same comment as me!

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ricolorenz7307 That's ok, I greatly appreciate you watching and leaving a comment in the first place. Means a lot.

  • @DiningTableOfficeWorker
    @DiningTableOfficeWorker ปีที่แล้ว +20

    applicable for old watches but not on the new watches with new movement

    • @animealpha4795
      @animealpha4795 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not true. I unknowingly tried changing date at 1pm and it felt like the day was stuck.

  • @wj6782
    @wj6782 ปีที่แล้ว +128

    Or you can roll the time around, which will also change the date.

    • @DrGzhero
      @DrGzhero ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thi is what i do too. Just roll the time.

    • @JoeOrber
      @JoeOrber ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Let the good times roll 🎶 😂

  • @oddball_the_blue
    @oddball_the_blue 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I must admit I got used to winding the time on until it'd moved over to the next day (since it then means I know if it's AM or PM). But I'll remember this one for the future.

  • @laurentgagne892
    @laurentgagne892 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    those grey seatlbelt nato really make a watch pop

  • @melody3741
    @melody3741 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Be aware - THE INSTANT DATE CHANGE WATCHES STILL START THE PROCESS EARLY LIKE 9PM.

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You got it! I said 8 pm - 4am to be safe, but technically it's often closer to 9. True!

    • @Crackity_Jones.
      @Crackity_Jones. ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He covered that point in the video.

  • @ashdeekhairuddin5263
    @ashdeekhairuddin5263 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Funny thing, I'm wearing the SRPE61(the watch in the video) while watching this video

  • @NickDaskalopoulos
    @NickDaskalopoulos ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks

  • @KikoMachine999
    @KikoMachine999 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seiko's anthracite dial are unbeatable! Just pure beauty! Unmatched!❤

  • @hyperzonez1349
    @hyperzonez1349 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    some watches only let you set the hour and minute, not the date. my omega does this and it avoids this issue. It also changes the date from around 11:30 to 12:15

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Correct! This is only a potential issue with watches that have this feature called quickset

  • @RADGoodstatsforthecost
    @RADGoodstatsforthecost ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This actually changed my life literally not capping. Thank you so much

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad to hear that sir

    • @RADGoodstatsforthecost
      @RADGoodstatsforthecost ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ChronometerCheck I wear my granpa's old watch which has a date and day adjustment system and I will make sure to do this every time I need to change anything ❤️🤝

  • @vasiovasio
    @vasiovasio 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Valuable information! Thank you!

  • @iasonaskoutsoumis61
    @iasonaskoutsoumis61 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Needless to say that no harm to the day/date wheel will be done if you first pull the crown to the hand setting position and then knock yourself out rotating the hour and minute hands clockwise (aka fast forward) until the desired day/date is reached

    • @seinfan9
      @seinfan9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The guy in this video says that you damage the movement by doing this. I honestly can't believe that he's correct. Otherwise the watch is constantly damaging itself as it moves forward a day.

  • @user-pi4cr1fh9j
    @user-pi4cr1fh9j 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this, I’ve had my first automatic watch (Bapex) for about a year and never knew I could damage the movement

  • @gabedellaira6924
    @gabedellaira6924 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yeah I always progress the hands until the day and date flip over. Then go to 630 for good measure.

  • @rawgab4439
    @rawgab4439 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you ..I never knew or didn't understand

  • @Avaddon911
    @Avaddon911 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just wind the watch, advance the time until the day/date click over, go to 6:30 am/pm whichever is applicable, then set the date.

  • @robingp
    @robingp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks to the GShock functionality of Muti Band 6, I don’t have to do this…I own a Seiko Automatic and it’s always a pain……

  • @MrDziuka
    @MrDziuka 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant! Thank you 😊

  • @AaronHuffmanPerson
    @AaronHuffmanPerson ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this quick reference, i forgot the times that mine told me not to change the date.

  • @hrfdude4234
    @hrfdude4234 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought you shouldn't change the time too, so I never changed it in that time too! Thanks for clearing that up for me!
    and also I had a quartz watch way back that I changed the date at midnight, the watch didn't break or anything, but the date changing got messed up for a while, but corrected itself after a week or too!
    I'm wondering what specific damages are we talking about here?!

  • @Priyodarsono
    @Priyodarsono ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think it's better to just advance the hands in the first date of the month (check the date before advancing, you'll do it only once every 2 months) & for the day, set it manually in the movement safety zone.

  • @trancendental5373
    @trancendental5373 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't know this, my Timex Ironman thanks you sir.

  • @JohnCannonBand
    @JohnCannonBand ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It’s like a gremlin you can’t feed after midnight

  • @joedoesmemes1463
    @joedoesmemes1463 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i wish i had seen this video 2 days ago when i was setting the date. luckily the date has rolled over 2 times so i don’t think anything broken

  • @wethreegamers2
    @wethreegamers2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive got a timex weekender, i love it because during daylight savings i can easily bump the hour hand forward or back, and the date is easy to change without messing with the time, since the day funcion is connected to the hour hand.

  • @rahulisgreat4911
    @rahulisgreat4911 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @Vincent-Singh17159
    @Vincent-Singh17159 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you, I never knew that.

  • @lukmanqhempunk8545
    @lukmanqhempunk8545 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I noticed it wrote "Malaysia" in center back of the watch 😎

  • @Mx_Vn_
    @Mx_Vn_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What strap is that? Do you have a link?

  • @Lucky.123
    @Lucky.123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can the movement get damaged if the watch has a ghost date position??

  • @mariacruz-tx5mk
    @mariacruz-tx5mk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That was good to know 👍

  • @mikelgabiolaleniz
    @mikelgabiolaleniz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What's the exact model? Have you changed the strap? Thanks!

    • @sanctuaryjester
      @sanctuaryjester หลายเดือนก่อน

      it's a Seiko 5 Sports SRPE61K1 Gray Dial and yes he changed the strap into a gray seatbelt NATO.

  • @MrPINKFL0YD
    @MrPINKFL0YD ปีที่แล้ว

    I know the time thing and thought it was a useless video until the 630 thing. Tnx!

  • @Ike32
    @Ike32 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good info

  • @Mrjackietreehorn
    @Mrjackietreehorn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a seiko automatic too 💪

  • @rapaladude
    @rapaladude ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm really glad I can't ruin my watch by changing the date. I have a Rolex OysterDate ref 6694. It's a manual wind watch without a quickset date. You have to manually set it to the correct date by progressing the hands. No risk of damage that way.

    • @Kiyllin
      @Kiyllin ปีที่แล้ว

      True

  • @Sir_Panda007
    @Sir_Panda007 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Thank you for this. About to buy my first real watch and would’ve broken it if it wasn’t for your advice!

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No problem!

    • @2K9s
      @2K9s ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Real watches don’t break from day/date adjustment.

    • @cjbartoz
      @cjbartoz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@2K9s It just depends on how the mechanics of the movement are designed.

    • @Florian-Florian
      @Florian-Florian ปีที่แล้ว

      If it is a normal modern watch you would not break anything. I do not understand why this is such a big topic because it is completely irrelevant for most watches.

    • @ChronometerCheck
      @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Florian-Florian Not necessarily true. This is in the user manal even for Seiko watches that use the 4R35/4R36 movement which is very common in their entry-level

  • @dutchvanderlinde15
    @dutchvanderlinde15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks man

  • @Alex420xx
    @Alex420xx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man that watch is nice

  • @Novaah803
    @Novaah803 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    All my watches have Sekio or Miyota movements, and I just set my date to a day before today (Incase my watch is on PM and I’m setting for AM), then I start rolling the time forward after we are within a day Or two of the target. Never had any issues and I’ve been doing this for years. Seems like maybe if you have a vintage watch this may be good advise!

    • @louismacvux
      @louismacvux ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a modern seiko and this is explicitly mentioned in the manual, so it's definitely still a thing. But hey your seiko is still fine though.

  • @Anirossa
    @Anirossa ปีที่แล้ว

    Broken a few seikos like this, lol, the 4r got a plastic gear in there that will snap really easily if you forget it just once

  • @tiddybearkush
    @tiddybearkush ปีที่แล้ว

    If you change the time from the current time to change the date you need to keep track on which way you move the time so you can go reverse when you then set the current time or the date mechanism might change date wrong.

  • @Dreamweaver94
    @Dreamweaver94 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I hate it when my GShocks break adjusting them 😮‍💨

  • @KT.81
    @KT.81 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Owh dayummm....I don't know this on my Seiko 5 Sport 😂.

  • @emilianobrambilamunoz2917
    @emilianobrambilamunoz2917 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That's actually an outdated precaution. Almost every new watch movement, even the crappiest ones can't be damaged by doing that. The piece that moves the date ring is flexible, so it'll not get damaged if you use the crown in the middle of the change.

    • @cjbartoz
      @cjbartoz ปีที่แล้ว

      This depends on the movement.

    • @jhsevs
      @jhsevs ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So old watches don’t exist anymore?

  • @lucasblanchard47
    @lucasblanchard47 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Which watch is this featured in the video?

  • @G0RSHK0V
    @G0RSHK0V ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mine always change instantly at midnight.
    They are 35 years old

  • @AamirZ
    @AamirZ ปีที่แล้ว

    6:38pm right now, close enough.

  • @QuebecoisSti
    @QuebecoisSti ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always roll the complete time instead of only the date, it takes longer but should be better for mechanism ??

  • @jimmason8502
    @jimmason8502 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm asleep between 9pm and 1am

  • @timbarito5586
    @timbarito5586 ปีที่แล้ว

    beautiful srpe51k1!

  • @marcushosmer1856
    @marcushosmer1856 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always roll the time forward to noon and then adjust the day/date

  • @Ethian315
    @Ethian315 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I always set the date before, then set the time and date.

  • @PhilipAusWien
    @PhilipAusWien ปีที่แล้ว +5

    And how do I know if the watch stopped at am or pm?

    • @patricj951
      @patricj951 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can't know, but have to check it out by letting the hands pass 12 o'clock.
      If the date changes you can continue to 6:30 and at that moment adjust the date/day.
      After that, you can turn the hands to the current time of the day.

  • @codrax557
    @codrax557 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a Tommy Hilfiger watch and I used to change the date and day betwen 10am, 12am and it looks that i totally damadged the date

    • @louisdugrain
      @louisdugrain ปีที่แล้ว

      It can only cause damage to automatic watches I don't think that your Tommy is

  • @kawaiirimuru2909
    @kawaiirimuru2909 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't know if its luck or pure genius when he did that shot, amazing.

  • @duxanax
    @duxanax ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can anyone tell me what watch this is?

  • @cameronbehnke7017
    @cameronbehnke7017 ปีที่แล้ว

    Didn’t know that good to know

  • @ChronometerCheck
    @ChronometerCheck  ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you for the recent support, everyone! Here's a quick tip for those new to mechanical watches.

  • @ignacio4244
    @ignacio4244 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I prefer wait 6 years to get the same days cicle

  • @megacab
    @megacab หลายเดือนก่อน

    My watch stated this in the manual, i did it, just didn't know why

  • @GroovyPlays
    @GroovyPlays ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love that watch

  • @senpaisanchoyt5225
    @senpaisanchoyt5225 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What watch is that? It's beautiful!

  • @russelfatyh8449
    @russelfatyh8449 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What seiko model is it?

  • @johnmartinez7440
    @johnmartinez7440 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    But _why_ is it like that? Seems like a poor mechanism design.

    • @christopherfeatherley
      @christopherfeatherley ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm not a watch expert, but mechanical watches function by gears and springs: the more additions you add to it l (like a day and month clock) would require more gears, and they are all linked in some way -- through smaller gears -- to the main spring (the energy). In turn: the more functions, the more complicated and therefore sensitive the system is. Mechanical watches aren't programmed like digital watches, so they're limited by physics, especially to keep all those mechanism in a tiny, compact space.

  • @raiduh899
    @raiduh899 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me using a smartwatch : "Hmmm yesss, interesting"

  • @user-cn3ie1vx3b
    @user-cn3ie1vx3b ปีที่แล้ว

    whats the name of the clock in the video?

  • @RS-jb1lf
    @RS-jb1lf ปีที่แล้ว

    Many do this with the Breitling Navitimer as it does not have a fast date set.

    • @cjbartoz
      @cjbartoz ปีที่แล้ว

      On the older navitimers with eta movement you can not change the date during the date change. On the new inhouse breitling movement you can change the date whenever you want.

  • @-_YuvrajSingh_-
    @-_YuvrajSingh_- 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In my case, the shop keeper was like "bada beem, bada boom" there you go sir💀

  • @solidifiedmustard4706
    @solidifiedmustard4706 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wow that caseback is super scratched lol

  • @tarikhulmahfudz7829
    @tarikhulmahfudz7829 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it gonna change exactly like the calendar? In some month is 30 31 29

  • @deriismayandi
    @deriismayandi ปีที่แล้ว +2

    is it only apply to day or date settings? Cause I had set hour hands between 9 pm and 3 am, which is danger zone for seiko caliber 4R36.

    • @HaIsKuL
      @HaIsKuL ปีที่แล้ว

      You can set the time whenever you want. It's really the day/date complication that you can't set when the hands are between 9 pm and 3 am.

  • @yyeezyy630
    @yyeezyy630 ปีที่แล้ว

    Iv done this so many times because I work midnights and my watch is fine years later it’s a 1977 caravelle devil diver

  • @Jacob-cl1eo
    @Jacob-cl1eo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The one time when having a quartz watch is useful

  • @stanky6131
    @stanky6131 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn that's crazy that I don't need this information because I don't have a high end watch... or at all 😮

  • @MyNameIsGhost
    @MyNameIsGhost ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Accidentally did this to my seiko 5.....now the date begins switching at around 10-10:30 rather than 9 and the day now finishes changing around 3am rather than 4. 😢hope its okay

    • @gabrielcornea9119
      @gabrielcornea9119 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you damaged the day or date mechanism then the day or date will not change at all. Your watch is probabli fine since it does change the date, but it could benefit from removing and better repositioning of the watch hands, so it could show midnight right after the date change.. If you can't do it yourself, then any watchmaker can do it for you

  • @myaperson
    @myaperson ปีที่แล้ว

    Mines a digital watch, also according to my watch Thursday doesn’t exist Wednesday is just very long

  • @SalmanKhan-fk6fc
    @SalmanKhan-fk6fc ปีที่แล้ว

    Would this apply to a Hamilton field day date auto as well.?

  • @ballessss
    @ballessss ปีที่แล้ว

    Never happend to me on my digital watches.

  • @BeeBeefy
    @BeeBeefy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Woo, Malaysia.

  • @happycamper9903
    @happycamper9903 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for the information! 500th comment 🎉

  • @BMW_Supremacy
    @BMW_Supremacy ปีที่แล้ว

    I just turn the time so that the day/date is changed then change the time and day.

  • @don_s
    @don_s 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always set the time to 6 all this time

  • @Emissarian
    @Emissarian 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great face/strap color combo. Model and link to strap?

    • @sanctuaryjester
      @sanctuaryjester หลายเดือนก่อน

      Seiko 5 SRPE61K1 Gray Dial with a seatbelt NATO strap

  • @jarodguess24
    @jarodguess24 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was explicitly told by my AD to only ever change the date at noon…

  • @daaljones9584
    @daaljones9584 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's a nice watch

  • @andrewrobertson3894
    @andrewrobertson3894 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice Seiko

  • @TidalWaveDan
    @TidalWaveDan ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Glad I saw this before I ruined my Patek Phillipe

  • @ThomasAndersonFPV
    @ThomasAndersonFPV ปีที่แล้ว

    How about just rolling the hours forward if your just two days off ?

  • @wearethewearethewearethhe
    @wearethewearethewearethhe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I do 12pm because it's furthest away from 12am when the date flips.

  • @danielt.9154
    @danielt.9154 ปีที่แล้ว

    So Don't use the Second position (Quick set) or Don't use the Final position?