If I was to Install velocity stacks, race filter, Yoshimura exhaust on my ‘18 765R how much Hp gains do you think I’ll make? If it makes 114hp at the wheel stock I’m guessing around 120hp at rear wheel?
I wanted to ask if the environmental factors, temp, atm etc. where more favouring for the r or the rs in this test? I.e. which one of the 2 dyno runs where on a better day?
Hi, can you actually feel the extra midrange power of the r over the rs ? I’m interested in buying the r version but my local dealer only has a rs test bike. I’d like to try both really, which did you prefer on the road? Thanks
Yes, it's palpable even if the difference in numbers isn't huge. The entire bike is more road focussed, easier to use, including the chassis which has far less track happy hardware and a softer base setup. However, even though the RS feels extra peaky when piling on the coals, it has enough low down to do town work etc, it's just that it can feel a tad two-stroke'ish. This being said, the RS is 'only' £1,000 more and comes with quite a lot of extra gear, its suzzies can be made a little more compliant for road with some twiddling and a full exhaust and fuelling setup should bolster the mid-range which is the only area where it's lacking.
Your right, there’s no getting away from it , the RS at an extra £1k. If you add the quick shifter, belly pan and bar end mirrors your already over £600. Once you add the upgrades to the suspension and brakes £1k extra seems worth it. Looks like an RS and some time on the Dyno is the way to go, or maybe just buy the Speed triple S .
Can we expect a full exhaust on the long term'er RS with a dyno remap at some point? Im looking to upgrade from my MT 07 next year and looking at an RS.
What I have heard in quite a few reviews, is there seems to be a bit of a hole at around 6000 rpm on the RS. Looking at the dyno results seems to confirm that. The R seems to keep chugging along right through the hole, so it more than likely would feel better around town. Wouldn't doubt a good tune might get rid of that hole on the RS though.
Do you think that since the R has different cams that the only reason the rs makes more power up top is just the factory tune is better than the R? I was wondering also if you might get more out of an R over-all with both tuned possibly because it has better cams. Or do you think the RS has the better cams and the R has a more restrictive tune? I am more I interested in the R simply because of more low end and less stiff suspension and better tire life for the street. I will never go to a track so I don't feel ill need the rs, but I want every bit of power I can get. What do you guys think?
If memory serves, without checking, it does have different cams and there are a couple of other minor differences, different, think it's either a different ECU or different map etc etc blah blah. The R is deffo a slightly better road bike out of the box, but then the RS can be made as pliant due to the fully adjustable suspension and comes with all the extras, plus the mapping can be changed to make it more usable should you wish, or a less restrictive exhaust would for sure return more midrange and it's not a heap more expensive then the R - Bit of a conundrum really, the R should be rights be a grand cheaper than it is which then makes the decision a lot easier! Charlie has covered this in the couple of blogs he did on the bike which you can find on our channel if you want to hear what he has to say about the R v RS thing.
Fast Bikes Magazine I agree with ya. It's a thousand difference for the rs and that is nothing to pay to get all the good stuff the rs has. To be honest, I thought, maybe id get the r and do a power commander, filter, and exhaust and maybe it would be better Solely because of the hardware (mostly cams). But i agree with what you are saying about the rs. It is more adjustable for sure. Ill be sure to check out the other videos you mentioned. Thanks for the info.
R has a different set of headers, R has cross overs, RS and S have straight headers, from what I have seen and heard this could make the difference has the R has the smoothest torque and power delivery. Just my 2 cents worth
@@martinkrutz5698 I didn't know that. I still haven't got one yet. I'm very curious about the details of the cams but can't find any specs. I think the r may be the quicker street bike, but those headers would help plus it's specific cams.
You can very likely regain much of the torque and mid-range power deficit with a decent exhaust and map, which is why the RS being just £1k more than the R, makes it an even more attractive deal.
@@GneX4Ktb Since the exhaust system is the same in both, then the r would make even more midrange if you would remap it. I mean the R makes 10% more power at 8k rpm. This is considerable, whereas 2.5hp on the top-end is not.
Thanks! I was wondering what BJ's opinion was, I tried 32/30 which had amazing mechanical grip but feel like it was gonna wear down the tires too fast even for my weight (140 lbs), trying 34/36 right now as I like riding on the front in the corners.
Fast Bikes Magazine true f😮if there is only 1k in it you have wonder what Triumph aim was ? Either the RS is too cheap or the R is too dear. For 1K why would anyone buy the R🤔when you get more power, QS and suspension on the RS all for 1k!!
The RS has different tires (wearing quicker, worse for touring), has power higher up in the rev range, and the clutch disengages way further out. The RS is meant for the track. I prefer the R for canyon riding and street use.
Not here, Triumph don't allow anyone who they have loaned bikes to, to fit anything (other than tyres) that doesn't come from their official range of accessories, and as none of us own one ourselves, in this instance we can't help. They are not alone, a few manufacturers now insist on the same thing, which is a real shame. We have fitted the official Arrow can mind you, which you will be able to see in an upcoming blog, but don't get excited # wasteoftimeandmoney...
Is this not a pointless exercise? I thought they had the same engines? Would you not see those differences in results purely from engine to engine anyway? Also like he says down to atmospheric conditions etc........ The difference in models being ancillaries? Such as suspension, quickshifter etc.... and not the actual engine or tune itself?
The RS needed another 500/1000rpm to really utilise that ‘uprated’ cam. Bit poor really from triumph. Had to skip the first 2 mins can’t stand the triple buzzy wasp sound
All triumph has to do to sell one to me is to bump it 100cc and give it a fairing similar to their 1200 rr but better ergos....even though I DID finally buy a naked bike (MT-10 I did so only under duress....what I WANT really is an R9 which does not exist or at least a 2024 XRS900GT which are not coming to the US....Triumph wont help me either dang it! Just PEASE! Make the 765 an 865 and give it a FRAME mount cafe fairing with reasonable (for clipons) ergos....is that reaally too much to wish for? Lightweight great brakes great suspension good fuel range ...up and down quick shifter etc etc....with premium components? say msrp 13k? IM IN!
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We are spoiled these days. I remember when a motorcycle with 60 or 70 hp was a superbike!
That sound never get's old!
Get has old.
Glad I brought the R model now.
If I was to Install velocity stacks, race filter, Yoshimura exhaust on my ‘18 765R how much Hp gains do you think I’ll make? If it makes 114hp at the wheel stock I’m guessing around 120hp at rear wheel?
I wanted to ask if the environmental factors, temp, atm etc. where more favouring for the r or the rs in this test? I.e. which one of the 2 dyno runs where on a better day?
I got the RS best bike ive had for round the town and the fast twisty roads love it ,got yosh can ,but will get a full system and pcv soon
Same experience, best bike by a landslide I've ridden. And the smooth fueling! Stop in go traffic in track mode? No problem whatsoever.
Any chance of dynoing GSX-S750 and comparing it to GSR 750? Would be interesting to see if Suzuki actually increased the power at all.
But can the R be flashed to full RS spec? Or are there mechanical differences in the engines?
Super informative lads, well done
Gracias!
Met Gaz on his trip to Ireland on the KTM, sound chap
No way!
Aye, he couldn't stop praising the S21 Hypersports until I put a pair on my 954 Blade. I'm starting to suspect ..he is affiliated with Bridgestone
Both made more ponies than my mv agusta dragster rr. Trumpet done well there
800? Makes 125bhp on this dyno with the straightest power delivery line you'll ever see!
Hi, can you actually feel the extra midrange power of the r over the rs ? I’m interested in buying the r version but my local dealer only has a rs test bike. I’d like to try both really, which did you prefer on the road? Thanks
Yes, it's palpable even if the difference in numbers isn't huge. The entire bike is more road focussed, easier to use, including the chassis which has far less track happy hardware and a softer base setup. However, even though the RS feels extra peaky when piling on the coals, it has enough low down to do town work etc, it's just that it can feel a tad two-stroke'ish. This being said, the RS is 'only' £1,000 more and comes with quite a lot of extra gear, its suzzies can be made a little more compliant for road with some twiddling and a full exhaust and fuelling setup should bolster the mid-range which is the only area where it's lacking.
Your right, there’s no getting away from it , the RS at an extra £1k. If you add the quick shifter, belly pan and bar end mirrors your already over £600. Once you add the upgrades to the suspension and brakes £1k extra seems worth it. Looks like an RS and some time on the Dyno is the way to go, or maybe just buy the Speed triple S .
What good is an 'S' without an 'R' to go with it? ;-)
Can we expect a full exhaust on the long term'er RS with a dyno remap at some point? Im looking to upgrade from my MT 07 next year and looking at an RS.
What I have heard in quite a few reviews, is there seems to be a bit of a hole at around 6000 rpm on the RS. Looking at the dyno results seems to confirm that. The R seems to keep chugging along right through the hole, so it more than likely would feel better around town. Wouldn't doubt a good tune might get rid of that hole on the RS though.
Do you think that since the R has different cams that the only reason the rs makes more power up top is just the factory tune is better than the R? I was wondering also if you might get more out of an R over-all with both tuned possibly because it has better cams. Or do you think the RS has the better cams and the R has a more restrictive tune? I am more I interested in the R simply because of more low end and less stiff suspension and better tire life for the street. I will never go to a track so I don't feel ill need the rs, but I want every bit of power I can get. What do you guys think?
If memory serves, without checking, it does have different cams and there are a couple of other minor differences, different, think it's either a different ECU or different map etc etc blah blah. The R is deffo a slightly better road bike out of the box, but then the RS can be made as pliant due to the fully adjustable suspension and comes with all the extras, plus the mapping can be changed to make it more usable should you wish, or a less restrictive exhaust would for sure return more midrange and it's not a heap more expensive then the R - Bit of a conundrum really, the R should be rights be a grand cheaper than it is which then makes the decision a lot easier! Charlie has covered this in the couple of blogs he did on the bike which you can find on our channel if you want to hear what he has to say about the R v RS thing.
Fast Bikes Magazine I agree with ya. It's a thousand difference for the rs and that is nothing to pay to get all the good stuff the rs has.
To be honest, I thought, maybe id get the r and do a power commander, filter, and exhaust and maybe it would be better Solely because of the hardware (mostly cams). But i agree with what you are saying about the rs. It is more adjustable for sure. Ill be sure to check out the other videos you mentioned. Thanks for the info.
R has a different set of headers, R has cross overs, RS and S have straight headers, from what I have seen and heard this could make the difference has the R has the smoothest torque and power delivery.
Just my 2 cents worth
@@martinkrutz5698 I didn't know that. I still haven't got one yet. I'm very curious about the details of the cams but can't find any specs. I think the r may be the quicker street bike, but those headers would help plus it's specific cams.
Can't you get the RS and just re map it to be and R? The suspension and M50 goodies are hard to resist on the RS
You can very likely regain much of the torque and mid-range power deficit with a decent exhaust and map, which is why the RS being just £1k more than the R, makes it an even more attractive deal.
That's what I was thinking. Just remap it.
But if you remap the R it gets better torque and power than the RS or..?
@@GneX4Ktb Since the exhaust system is the same in both, then the r would make even more midrange if you would remap it. I mean the R makes 10% more power at 8k rpm. This is considerable, whereas 2.5hp on the top-end is not.
Not a bad looking bike might have to go test ride one
Busy old sector the middleweight nakeds, lots of great bikes!
Good stuff. Now get the SuperDuke on there with an Akra slip on as the standard can sounds crap 😬
Still want to see your long term reviews. What tire pressures were you running on the MT10 when you had it?
That's Charlie there, not BJ, but he tends to always run 36/36 on the road on anything.
Thanks! I was wondering what BJ's opinion was, I tried 32/30 which had amazing mechanical grip but feel like it was gonna wear down the tires too fast even for my weight (140 lbs), trying 34/36 right now as I like riding on the front in the corners.
BJ here, 36/36 for me for everything on the road, no matter the tyre or the bike, or conditions, those pressures always suit me fine.
Pleasure being able to chat with you BJ! And thank you for your advice! Looking forward to more of your reviews.
Cheers, you too!
So buy the R and spend the extra £ on a full exhaust system with power commander and optional quick shifter
A good plan, the tricky part is that the RS is 'only' £1,000 more than the R, which is hard to ignore!
and you get the better suspension!
Fast Bikes Magazine true f😮if there is only 1k in it you have wonder what Triumph aim was ? Either the RS is too cheap or the R is too dear. For 1K why would anyone buy the R🤔when you get more power, QS and suspension on the RS all for 1k!!
The RS has different tires (wearing quicker, worse for touring), has power higher up in the rev range, and the clutch disengages way further out. The RS is meant for the track. I prefer the R for canyon riding and street use.
Has anyone removed cat and fitted a power commander to an RS yet?
Not here, Triumph don't allow anyone who they have loaned bikes to, to fit anything (other than tyres) that doesn't come from their official range of accessories, and as none of us own one ourselves, in this instance we can't help. They are not alone, a few manufacturers now insist on the same thing, which is a real shame. We have fitted the official Arrow can mind you, which you will be able to see in an upcoming blog, but don't get excited # wasteoftimeandmoney...
could you boys be anymore somerset if you tried?
Are those numbers at the back wheel?
yes juanita
S is good aswell!
Is this not a pointless exercise? I thought they had the same engines? Would you not see those differences in results purely from engine to engine anyway? Also like he says down to atmospheric conditions etc........
The difference in models being ancillaries? Such as suspension, quickshifter etc.... and not the actual engine or tune itself?
The engines are different, cams and a couple of other wee bits plus, as Wills mentions, differences in the ECU.
Fair enough. Didn't know that. Be interesting to get the moto2 test bike on there as well. If you could swing it
Still slightly disappointed in the almost supersport style power delivery of the new Streets.
The RS needed another 500/1000rpm to really utilise that ‘uprated’ cam. Bit poor really from triumph. Had to skip the first 2 mins can’t stand the triple buzzy wasp sound
Top speed on the 6th gear is only 150 km ??
or was that MPH?
MPH
Troll...
ill never understand those headlamps lol
All triumph has to do to sell one to me is to bump it 100cc and give it a fairing similar to their 1200 rr but better ergos....even though I DID finally buy a naked bike (MT-10 I did so only under duress....what I WANT really is an R9 which does not exist or at least a 2024 XRS900GT which are not coming to the US....Triumph wont help me either dang it! Just PEASE! Make the 765 an 865 and give it a FRAME mount cafe fairing with reasonable (for clipons) ergos....is that reaally too much to wish for? Lightweight great brakes great suspension good fuel range ...up and down quick shifter etc etc....with premium components? say msrp 13k? IM IN!