What’s the best sub-litre naked on the road? - Part 1 | Fast Bikes Magazine
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- What’s the best sub-litre naked on the road? Well, there was only one way to find out and that meant gathering four of the best options on the market and putting them through their paces over several days and hundreds of miles.
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No MT09 very odd as it’s a best seller ?
Why no MT09SP seems like a nailed on competitor has been missed out. Shame
new SP is not available yet.
No XSR900 or MT09? That's disappointing.
Why? Those bikes are ages after the duc v2 and 765rs.
XSR900 is kind of a "niche" bike as well, it has no place in standard bike tests like these, you see it sometimes in retro tests where it should be, I also thought about the MT-09 missing from this test but to the honest it has not got that much new like these other bikes the last year. But for my money I would put the MT-09 right up there on split second place with the Street Triple and put the Ducati on third place.
@@fredrikmehlinAges after? What?
@@mathias6423 Ah, because the XSR is styled differently? That's your argument?
The only significant difference between the MT and XSR is that the XSR has a longer wheelbase
@@rockafella1690 everything but the engine and the rider aids. The cp3 is a very fun engine. Mt09 sp with Its öhlins is better but miles away from the brakes, handling and character of the duc and the 765.
But the electronics has improved alot with the mt series.
But its good that you like the mt series.
What yamaha did was hat off, it put yamaha on the map again.
MT09 should be in this, and judging by the end it woulda been in the mix with the KTM
The lights in the background 🫣
They made the dash on the 765rs worse than the last one. I agree, it is a mystery how they can get that so wrong and no do anything to fix it. Who decided they needed a rev counter that looks like butterfly wings that is illegible at speed?
Exactly. I have the 2018 which has an excellent TFT dash. Every iteration since seems worse.
I technically agree, the older dash was definitely more legible.... but since riding the 2020 and now the 2023 version, I don't think I've ever looked at the rev counter anyway to be fair 🤷
Agreed. I’ve a 2020 Street 765 RS and absolutely love everything about it……except the damn rev counter!
I waited a year with buying the new 765 hoping they would fix the dashboard graphics. Sadly triumph doesn't listen to their market. Same with the new Speed 1200 RS, it needs wheelie control and traction control seperate, at the moment you need to disable TC if you want to wheelie. Also the suspension is not electronic, these days its normal to have that on halo bikes (tuono factory, super duke 1390, mt10 sp etc all have it)
Yep buy the R - on the road it’s better & has a readable dash!
The KTM is not 9kg lighter than the Street Triple. It's heavier.
Yup. Apparently it is 2kg heavier.
OTOH, I really couldn't care less. when the difference is so little.
If the duke 990 is a sub litre bike so is the MT10
Cb1000r is a 999cc right?
Isn’t it 947cc, which would make it middleweight? I mean Z900 is 948cc and is always referred to as a middleweight bike.
@@myfewmoments998cc still sub litre and the base model is cheaper that the KTM990
Haha the S1000R too is 999cc :D
@@MoMo-ds8cj yes, it is.
The ktm 990 great bike until the camshaft destroy themselves like the 790/890 of the past.
Weird bikes to include, but excellent reviews
I really enjoy your dynamic and realism. Good content and really great editing on this. Solid video
A controversial winner there that you definitely won't want to keep past its warranty expiry date... If you're in to ugly bikes, then save yourself over 3k and go with a new MT09
Yup doesn't take long to find out the camshaft issues that seem to be commonplace. £1.5K fix when it goes too.
Yep I have a 690 SMCR and the camshaft was shot after 3k. KTM have appalling build quality and KTM UK’s customer service is the worse I have ever experienced! Take your money elsewhere!
@WSMK-oz6ru I had the first run of 790 duke back in 2019. Never again lol
that KTM looks like its headlamp has fallen out its housing.
It looks like Megatron's asshole
Be even better having to clean the dead bugs out of it 😬
Really, really good description of the different bikes! Good work!
Great content, guys.
Keep it coming. Tnx.
great reviews 👌 enjoyed them all
Looking forward to this 😊
Rather have my 890R, with top shelf parts, over that 990 with JJaun brakes and…
Yeah I was thinking of that too, a used 890 R is much more bike for the money right now, later on when there is a 990R and you can find them on the used market maybe then the 990R will be the bike to have but that is at least 2-3 years away before you will be able to find a 990R used for better price since that bike has not even been released yet for all I know ?
It is weird the 890R actually has like only 1hp and 2-3 nm torque less but it also weighs a couple of kg's less which is more important in this small case I think. So at least on the spec sheet they are about the same powerwise. We need to wait for a 990R to see if they will add more power to that bike and what other parts like better brakes and such, but anyways the prices for these new bikes are already bonkers so a 990R with better parts and stuff would probably be around 20 000$ which is insane.
I remember when you could go out and buy a duke 790 or MT-09 for closer to 10 000$ After c0vid prices has just skyrocketed on almost everything, much more than it probably needs to which really hurts our economy in the long run, not only customers but also manufacturers that increases prices more than they have to are shooting themselfs in the foot.
you can already buy the KTM 990 including the tech pack for £12k
@@the-real-bert What are you talking about "already" ? That is old news man, I have been able to buy the Duke 990 since April lol. If you read what I wrote I wrote about the Duke 990 "R".
Now, can you "already" buy the Duke 990 "R" ? No you can't.
I think he say already about the 990 not a 990r.
Nice test guys, BUT "This sector of these bikes is all about value for money" should have been "This sector of these bikes WAS all about value for money" It feels like Triumph is one of those brands that leaves a lot of stuff out of their bikes just to be able to "refine" it and in later models add more stuff like sep wheelie control and stuff.
Has not the Aprilia Tuono v4 1100 factory has "Adjustable Antiwheelie" ? Where you can adjust how much antiwheelie you want ? I might be wrong but I have some kind of memory of that.
I tip my hat to KTM for making a big "roomy" bike without it being heavy, that is two separate tings people have a hard time separating.
The bike does not need to be heavy just because it looks bigger, the same thing goes the other way. I am 6'7 and 25 stones and I hate that bikes are getting smaller and smaller and that they make them look much more compact. I look ridic on bikes like the Street Triple or MV Agusta Brutale, I look more normal riding on the 990 Duke because it looks bigger as a bike, and still it is the lightest bike out of all of these, thank you KTM!
I test rode the 990 yesterday and have to agree that it is a super light, flexible bike with loads of grunt, a great riding position for me (reasonably upright, easy to get feet down, pegs not too high etc). The only two issues I had were I found the throttle too sensitive, even in rain mode, and the rear shock a bit harsh (no easy preload adjustment).
The weight of the KTM is 179 kg without fuel. As a suggestion, I would say that to make respectable comparisons, the first step is to test the motorcycles on a dyno to know their real power and weigh them on a scale with a full tank to avoid the mistake of confusing whether the manufacturer gives the dry weight or the wet weight.
I have to ask, is it the Horncastle to Boston road that you use for the filming? I can’t remember the road number but I recognize the bends. A brilliant biking road, love the content and the analysis between Bruce and Johnny Mac is priceless 😊
Nice review thx :) I think Ducati is in a category of its own. I love the looks of it from all the bikes in the review but for me it's to hot, gear leaver is 0/1 just can't feel it, I don't understand the first gear specially in a higher rev range and it's a tween were you have to be above 7k rpm to be in a sweet spot lol. For the price of it you can get S1000R with comfort and dynamic packages.
SFV2 seems more like a stylish Monster than a true supernaked
Hopefully part two will include the Monster SP and Yamaha MT09!
My favorite class. ST765RS currently at the top, but interested to see how the 990 does reliably. Also wouldn’t the Monster SP make more sense here than the SFV2??
Chucking the Z900's hat into the ring here too ... cracking bike, cheap as chips too.
I ride a SF V2 and I find it very easy to tip it in
No Japanese bikes 😂
Japanese tires fitted though!
Where’s the MT09, Z900 and GSX-S 750?
@@madrat5176they still make the gsxs 750?? Im gonna be honest the only interesting one there is the mt09, the others are vanilla.. Too vanilla. The Japanese are too conservative nowadays, I don't even care anymore. Suzuki doesn't even make cars anymore in Japan apparently 😂, they don't sell. That's what being a conservative stuck up does to you I guess. Not that i like the fact that the Japanese makers are being boring. I hope they get their shit together and put more effort and soul into their motorcycles again. Only yamaha seem to be doing that and then again they killed the r6 and r1.
@@rns6889 The GSX-R 750 is a beast and arguably the best overall sport bike you can buy. 600cc chassis with a 150hp 750 inline 4. Kawasaki’s zx-6r is also a hell of a bike and track weapon. The Japanese are still making great bikes
@@madrat5176 yeah I love 600 cc 4s but.. Fully specd, the zx6r is 197 kilograms, same as an s1000rr. Not a middleweight anymore is it, I think the jaapnese should replace their 600s with 750s, I know that the suzuki is awesome but they haven't updated it at all. It looks like it's from the 2000s man. I think thr supersports should offer more in terms of power and weight compared to these new middle weight nakeds that have more power and lighter than them. They're still obviously faster around a track with those ergonomics, fairings and geometry, but i myself think why should I get a 600 when a triumph street triple has more power and much 8 kilos lighter. I want a 600, but I also know that triumph will be so much more comfortable and torquey while having simillar acceleration yk 😅.
Glad I wasn't the only one massivly dissapointed with the streetfighter V2. I rode one on a demo day, and the low/mid range performance was awful. Vibey and shakey below 6k rpm, I hated it.
Also, y'all really should have included the new MT09 in this one
Edit: I just saw the segment at the end explaining the lack of MT09. I totally get it, hopefully you can get one soon
Really like the Streetfighter but agree with them on the price. I would prob go for a 2nd hand V4/V4S
That's my plan. That or the S1KR
My Streetfighter V4S has adjustable anti wheelie control, and I'm sure other bikes have it too.
Triumph locked the engine's ECU. No one will be changing the exhaust and getting a tune, because triumph doesn't want to.
Get a bike from a manufacturer that cares about its customers.
Triumph and their electronics are so frustrating. KTM for me 😎🍻
Call me shallow, but there is no way I'm waking up next to that monstrosity of a KTM 😂 Looks like it was styled by an intern at Meccano 😂
Haven’t ridden it and probably won’t until the R version comes out. I currently own the 1290r and the 890r Duke. The 1290r is fitted with aftermarket suspension parts and perfectly dialed in for road and track just a hooligan, machine. The stock 890r blow my mind on the handling, lightness, and the fun motor(perfectly geared btw) i can’t say for sure because I haven’t ridden the 990. But I seriously doubt it’s gonna feel as good as 890r Duke. Maybe when the 990r version arrives.
I rode the 990 four times. Great ride, really impressed but not worth 3000 more than MT09. Also possible future reliability issues compared to proven CP3 motor. Will see what 990r is like next year
And it’s will be even more for the r version plus you have to pay extra for the so called performance package. These prices are getting ridiculous. The price they’re selling the standard version should be the r version price.
MT09 for the win. Slam dunk actually.
No slam dunk in this class, too competitive. Almost can’t lose. I sold my MT back in 21 for an 890R and couldn’t be happier. Yamaha makes a fine bike btw.
Btw, post a video/short of your bike. Always interested to see what those geniuses in the comment sections actually ride.
@@freebehindbars8654 Spoken like a true septic douche
Nah, if you want more torque you Figo for m09, you want more power it's triumph, you want both for an even higher price it's ktm. I'd go for the triumph personally.
@@freebehindbars8654 YT won´t allow me to post the link. I ride a 1999 Honda CB600F Hornet (599) in the US, my first bike bought 3 years ago. Mint condition to begin with then I modified the whole thing with F4i cams, modified airbox with trumpets/stacks, full exhaust, 4 degree advance (Factory Pro), 115 jets instead of 100, -1+3, 520 conversion, radial master and a bunch more. She puts down 102 hp and 66 nm (48 lb-ft) of torque TO THE WHEELS. Got the weight down to 188 kg (414 lbs) wet and the thing moves. She´s a looker too, cockpit fairing giving it an awesome retro look. Done all the work myself but then that is easy stuff for a mechanical engineer with 30 years experience.
Agree with others on here. Cannot see why MT 09 is not here. What were you thinking?
It’s getting a bit difficult when bikes are all so close. I like my Tuono 660, but any of these, plus a dozen others would be alternatives.
I test rode the 990 recently. I don’t agree with the result.. build quality and suspension is cheap compared to the Ducati and Triumph, yet it’s super expensive for what it is. Hard pass from me.
That KTM is hideous and the price of it and it's a non R no thanks
Please start grouping bikes by their power output rather than engine size.
This would make little sense, if you don't consider torque... and weight... and... It never ends. This comparison is already a bit of a stretch, because the Ducati isn't in the same category for me, and the MV is a bike most would never consider. MT-09, ST RS and 990 would have been perfectly fine. It would have been in line with your call for similar power output as well... But imagine next year, when both an RC990 and an R9 will come out with more or less 120 to 130 hp. Would it be fair to put them against the CBR600 and the 636?
@@fabiena1787 That's a good point. Maybe price is a better consideration as most people in the real world do look at what they can get for £xxxx in cash or for £xxx per month?
When I bought a brand new GSX-S1000 in 2021 for £8500, it wasn't the best super naked out there but the substantially better bikes were nearly twice the price.
Ktm may be your favourite, but it's pig ugly and has questionable reliability.
I'll stick to my XSR900!
If yamaha could have raised the compression ratio for the mt09 to have the same power as the Duke.. It'd be easily the yamaha, but for me I'm not a fan of a lazy sounding triple engine honestly. Its weird to hear a triple sound so low, I'm used to hear it screaming from the street triple. And the new xsr900 gp looks so gorgeous I love the colours, but somehow it's 200 kilograms kerb weight?? The Japanese manufacturers kind of miss some spots.. If they even try to make something hit different, only yamaha does that now.
@rns6889 Personally, I'm not a fan of the GP. It's very bulbous...
I'd take a Yam over KTM any day, better reliability and aftercare. I had my XSR900 tuned after an exhaust. 128bhp and 96nm of torque all whilst looking good. Can't fault it.
@@inked-96 yeah that ktm is silly overpriced 😂, honestly I really like ktms, it's their philosophy of brute aggression and strength. But they're too expensive and look too savage for me to get one, I'm more of a fan of the refined nice premium feeling easy to live with Honda and triumph, that ktm is the opposite of it, I love it, but it's too savage and primal looking, doenst have class like a Honda or triumph does 😂😂.
@@rns6889 I got my XSR900 unregistered, in the blue for £8,900. Brand new... what's the base 990 now? 13k? 😅.
@@inked-96 yeah, it's ridiculous idk how ktm can justify that at all, I'd rather get a cb1000r that looks 5x better than it does, with a single sided swing arm, more power, better build quality. Heck it's just a little less than an mt10.
Surprised at the Ducati being heavy
Great discussion - those Bridgestone stickers everywhere tho..... 😞
What of it? They didn’t discuss the tires.
I've owned the 765rs, first gen. This ones a lot different, but after you own it you run into the limits of the bike fairly soon. The potential of the bike always gets you, but they somehow don't seem to deliver and you end up moving on, eventually. Really looking forward to riding the 990. The 790 was a winner in so many ways.
Couldn't disagree more. The more I put into the bike, the more it gives back. The new one does "slow" a lot better ironically, due to the shorter gearing, but man when you open her up... 😬😬😬
@@casterofchaosi would agree. I never regret after 3 years of ownership. Worth every penny
Disappointing there was no TT vlogs this year 😢
Probably the XSR 900.
I thought the KTM and the MV weighed the same?
Comparing a 765 to a 990 or a 950 seems a bit unfair. Also, I would not trust the KTM to be reliable. Puts the Triumph in first place for me.
KTM might be the best bike but really could cope with the looks, like all KTMs, even it's mother couldn't love.
Wanted the Ktm but the price and then paying for tech pack put me off. Ugliest bike in the test as well 😂
Best under 1000cc has to be my 998cc 2018 cb1000r - reliable, gorgeous, fast enough 1/4 mile of 10.8sec and good fun on track. Oh and it cost only £7500 with a remap for 144hp on the wheel and full system exhaust.
How’s the Triumph a little over 11 grand?!
It’s 11 and a half grand!
Just over 11 grand is 11,099 maybe up to 11,250 it’s 11,499 !
Seeing as there's only Euro bikes in here, maybe this should be called "Whats the least reliable sub-litre naked"?
😂😂😂
Nailed it
My M1000R is a 999cc so under the 1000cc mark, as is the MT 10, R1, FIREBLADE, S1000RR, ZX10...to name but a few, why is that Ducati in this test, its the fastest and most powerful because it is practically a 1000cc motorcycle, makes no sense to include this bike here...
Yep, and the KTM is 990 too.
KTM wins, however I would not be looking back at it or look forward to cleaning it. I like to support the last business left in the UK, before it gets sold off by the Tory boys club. Gonna test ride a Street. Thanks.
KTM? Dynamic bikes. But maybe check out the reliability?
Just a casual trawl through TH-cam or Google will suffice.
Neevsey recently said as it’s subjective looks tend to be ignored on reviews!
The KTM’s looks sure we’re here!
Pig ugly front end only its mother could love!
No one (with eyes that work and who haven’t bought one) is ever going to call it beautiful!!
Despite the fact that it’s the most restrained LTM in terms of use of Dayglo Orange 🍊
I could not own a bike that ugly!
The end!
(Ducati Panigale V2 if you want to know).
BTW test rode the Panigale V2 and thenSF V2 and the Streetfighter didn’t do it for me but rhe Panigale V2 was love at first ride!
On a different level!
No way 20.06 its too much 😂
Why still include MV in these shoot-outs…? In all the shoot-out I watched in the last decade they always finished last. Also they are awful to look at! MT-09 should have been in this test.
but ask regular rider which bike they would ride and own in real world mv agusta
😴
SF V2 - kiddy journo saying he’d pay the extra for the V4! You can’t even afford a V2 mate 😂
And every one of those bikes would be massively improved with a full or half-fairing.
It's a nonsense and has come about because bike designers have lost their way in the last 20 years.
MT09 dominates all the others.
Where the fuck is the mt09?
-- Agusta + Mt 09sp. The Agusta is to pricey and unreliable.
No Japanese bike's, a joke of a test!
mv agusta always runs last ,set the suspension up will transform bike owners will say the most exciting best looking bike,other bike are ugly transformers style, truimph hideous lights
The KTM 990 Duke is as much a "Sub-liter" bike as a S1000R, MT-10, or ZH2 wich Destroy the KTM... This is just stupid if you're going to put a 999cc KTM in, but not include the best "Sub-liter" bikes....🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
The KTM is dog ugly & the finish on them is gash. The finish on the Triumph’s is beautiful… couldn’t have the KTM