How to Install 18lb Valve Springs & Adjust Valves GX200 / Predator 212 Hemi & Non Hemi Go Kart
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- Today I am showing you how to install 18lb valve springs and adjust the valves in a GX200 / Predator 212 Hemi & Non Hemi engine. Don't forget to like, comment, share and subscribe.
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Honestly after searching for an hour this is The best video on how to replace the springs on these engines! Thank you for supplying the thickness as well saved some searching!
Had a little brain fart when adjusting the lash. You need to go one step higher in the lash setting. So if I calls for .008 do .009. The metal will expand when hot. Just wanted to note this because of course the whole internet will not let me live it down. Thanks for watching.
HELP!!! how does effect low rpm speed (does it take longer to get to top speed?)
Can I put 22 pounds Springs On a 212 cc predator
Hey man I'm still getting a ton of compression with those gaps. Too tight to even pull
You could break up a old spark plug and put a hole into it and weld a air chuck to it and use a compressed air to old the values up it works amazing and saves a lot of time
so it's gonna be .007 for intake and .009 for the other? just checking before I do it.
I jus picked me a hemi today my self thanks to you...you inspired me to biuld mine too always wanted a gokart my self learning from you red beard Garage!!!! Love your vid brother keep them up... subscribed!!!!
Thank you Red Beard. My valve retainer caps got mixed up and I did not remember which went were and did not notice the difference between them till after the fact. Your video clearly showed which was which. You saved me a giant headache. You also saved me another headache trying to find the mysterious missing little valve lash cap, there was only one in the first place. Your videos are great keep up the good work.
😂 ive been looking for that mysterious lash cap...i thought the motor ate it up...i thought i dropped it....man am i glad....does it go on the exhaust or intake 😂 i cant remember...i thought it was exhaust
I'm a TH-cam mechanic when it comes to my mini bikes maintenance! Your videos are priceless, I got the stage 1 kit from Go Power sports for my Coleman ct200u ex, the only thing that's stalling me is the valve spring swap. Thanks for all the detailed information it's greatly appreciated!
Down South squonks! It’s a pain in the fuckin ass I started my 18lb swap two hours ago I’m still trying to get them back in.. I do not have a spring compressor sadly
You guys push them on the spring cap retainer using a deep socket
Down south I need help to adjust my hemi rockers I installed my cam I ddnt add oil yet give me a video or some good tips
I watch this video like five times before installing my 18lb value springs. I’m learning a lot watching your videos.
i thought i was crazy watching it over an over again
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YOU ARE THE MAN .YOUR VIDS ARE THE ONLY ONES I USE NOW..BEEN WATCHING THEM FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW...GREAT JOB!!!
Thanks for the info. Been getting all my parts from go power sports from Oliver and Jason. Great guys. Karts are running great. Thanks from R&R Custom Welding in Nampa Idaho.
Got 18lb springs and a exhaust on the way got this video book marked for reference great explaining on what to do. Plan on doing a carb change on a month then maybe a torque converter
Great vid! Just installed the 18lb value spring on my 196cc build.
Wow I’ve built a lot of small blocks and big blocks now I’m teaching my kids small engine work or should I say you are lol your awesome my son and I watch your videos in the shop while we work thx be safe
Thank you for this video! I have a 196cc (Coleman) I used your valve lash specs and it worked perfectly! 18lb valve springs installed and running strong!
Please tell me specifically what each valve you set too and how you had the valve’s positioned (when turning the engine) i cant pull mine over anymore and it backfires
New to the sport, your vids are the tops. Making my 212 run just right. Thanks You Much!!
Thanks for watching man!
Removed the governor and replaced the valve springs, and set the lash today and it worked great. Thank you for the easy to follow video
What did you set your lashes to? I can hardly pull my engine over now and it just wont start and backfires alot
@@troubledseedprolly too late but .002 for both exhaust and intake works perfect
Bout to pull my stick springs out today an install 18 lbs. thanks for the vid.
Excellent video you explained it very well and it should be pretty easy for me to do a set of valve Springs after watching this on eother head type engine keep up the videos you guys are awesome
Nice job, Thanks for sharing the difference between the two engines
THANK YOU! @3:33 I’ve been web searching for over an hour looking for this confirmation. Thinking I must have dropped mine down the motor
I put 18 pound valve springs on my new motor and it runs awesome torque monster
Very GOOD ILLUSTRATION. So many configs !! I may just wait for a 212 r maybe .
This video answered my question Very helpful video
Trying to replace head gasket on tillotson 212 but the rockers are in the way of the head bolts. Awesome that the lash is always set on hemi motors this is gonna be a breeze now. Take care, partner
This is a great way of showing how to do this mod! Thx Red Beard!
Never worked on a Hemi now I know. Appreciate all the info
Blessed. Been waiting for this.
SOME non hemi predators have a 3 piece valve caps. I found it easier to pull the cylinder head off to take the caps off. the issue being the rope wasn't stiff enough to hold the valve in place. and feeler gauges sell for about 7 bucks at any auto parts store. and just remember all lash is set on a cold engine
Best detailed video yet!
What you think of honda gx670 I have one with a few issues but should be fine
Thanks for your videos. They help me out so much.
Thank you for watching and supporting!
Loved the vid and when do you think the next 4 seater build will come out ?
Would I use the same adjustment for my Titan tx200? Also after removing my governor will it be ok to use the 18lbs springs on a current stock engine? Or should I go with the 10.8lbs for the time being?
Thanks.
I love this Channel bro. Thanks for the tutorials.
Thanks for watching man
Are the springs the same part number for both motors, hemi and non hemi? I have 18lb springs I put on my old non hemi and would like to put them in my new hemi motor.
First and I have got to say I have learned so much from you on how to do things thanks for everything keep doing a good job
No problem man, thanks for watching and supporting the channel.
I would say 18lb would be a good upgrade. I don't mess with the briggs much
What kind of rpm would you consider safe with the factory flywheel?
Hey red beard, is it okay to add 18lb valve springs on a stock bottom end stage 1 predator? Have you had any issues? I just want a little more rpm from my motor without going to stage 2. Thanks.
Just replaced my head on my hemi but I didn't do the feeler gage on the lash. I'm assuming that why it wouldn't start. Gotta do that tomorrow. Thank you red beard these videos been a savior.
Had a quick question stage 1 kit and governor removal and the 18 pound valves what do I set my intake and exhaust lash at please help thanks
Incredible video describing the process. I have a 212 Hemi. I noticed you said "you don't have to adjust the valves after putting in 18lb valve springs." At the end however you mentioned adjusting the valves. Im about to do this spring swap and just want to make sure im following the correct steps. So just put 18lb springs in and giver her hell? Appreciate the help!
@Twitch Fish I checked them and they were very close. Did wind up tweaking barely I believe.
Will adding a heavier valve spring cause premature wear to the cam?? Just recently got back into the carting for my son and Hell for me who my lying lol ..thanks in advance love your videos...
hey red do I need springs if doing kit from your store for air and pipe and jet.also got belt clutch kit..so do I need the 18 springs or leave it alone..thanks
Will the stock rocker arms be able to hold the pressure of 36 lbs valve springs
Do you need to install the valve springs? What happens if you dont & run the stock ones with all the other stage one parts?
I have a gx200 clone on a Baja Warrior 200. I completely bypassed the governor (left the spring to tension the governor arm and keep it on the internal gear/adjuster). I have noticed that the engine runs very rough when revving past 3600. Is this normal, or valve float? It feels like something is unbalanced.
Hey man I got a 224 and hemi swapped it and deleted the govern and when ever I rev it up my rocker colapses you think I need stiffer spring or what do you recommend? And valve lashed it so it ran normal no knocking or any just collapsed at high rpm on stock springs
Fantastic video! 2 thumbs up!
Hey man I have a massive warrior 200, the Baja warrior 200 are the same bikes but do you know the head bolt torque and the the head cover bolt torque I have a torque wrench I just need the bolt torques
Thanks
Thanks man. Good information
N ware could I get race parts for my b/s 7hp motor n idk wat of clutch I should run a tourq convertor or a reg clutch ??
Red Beard kicks ass. Thx Red
Good job red. Beard
Thank you i lost a 212 to bad valves,they came off while i was riding and i had no idea hiw to fix ir
What is the valve lash on a 196cc 18 lb valves spring ?
I'm currently running a stage 4 predator with a mod2cam...I believe with 18lb springs, I'm still getting vale float..any suggestions?
Can i do this to a just completely stock predator or does it need to be modded first? Just wondering cause i thought it'd be easier to do then, minus one thing to do when i fully upgrade my predator then.
Hey man! Great video!
I have a hemi predator 212, i took out the governor, so I'm also going to upgrade springs.
You have a link to a hemi and non hemi set. The non hemi set from omb says they work on hemi as well. Any reason you recommend the other ones? Or does it not really matter? Thanks for any info!
I have a predator 212cc engine and upgrades the air intake, exhaust and the fuel jet. I was wondering if I should upgrade the valve springs to 18 lbs without taking the governor out. I have a pair of 18lbs spring laying around and don't know if it will make a difference if the governer is still in?
Does the lash cap just pop off and on is it magnetized or press fit
Greetings I hope you are well I would like to know how many pounds I should mount the springs of a honda clone gx240 8hp I eliminated the governor and they have told me that if I do not put stronger springs the engine will break due to overdrawing what should I do. thanks take care of all.
Hey man, I bought Honda gx340 valve springs as they looked beefy.. will these fit on my gx200? Thanks in advance man.. you got some good videos!
Im running a stock preadtor 212 hemi with a 3 staged header and vm22 slide carb. Im planning on Install9ng these springs to reduce valve float. Do I need to add anything else to add them or can I just put em in there?
Very informative video,....great camera position,...you could teach for a living,..hahaha !! Thanks for the free knowledge !!
Thanks for watching man
Would 301cc springs work in either application?
if i take off the governor on the hem engine do i need to change anything else?
Could you just put a lash cap on the side that doesnt have one on the non hemi or would that create issues instead of eliminating them?
I got one of these hemi predators on a go kart I got on Craigslist and it's extremely hard to pull it's not locked up and pulls like normal if you remove the spark plug what could be the problem
I know this is a really old video (hopefully you see this), but I have a Coleman CT200U-EX with the 196cc clone (non hemi). is the valve lashing space the same as the non hemi in this video?
Take a look at your manual or just google it. It's a very common bike.
What do I do in my situation. The rope didn’t hold the valve in place and it dropped down and the valve is level with the exit hole of the head any ideas
@Red Beard's Garage ...I upgraded to the 18# springs and I've adjusted the valves, both @ .003 then installed the carb jet kit... now my engine pops when I accelerate. Did I maybe put the carb gaskets back on wrong... or ??? - PUZZLED. :( Oh, and I added an OMB header w/weenie muffler.
Nice mannnnn. Thank you !!!
My nom hemi predator didn’t have a latch cap on the exhaust side. Is this something new Predator started doing with their newer non hemi motors? The motors brand new hasn’t been ran yet rebuilding a golf cart.
Thank you for responding
Great Job!
whats do i need to set the lash to on my predator 212 non hemi if i have 18lb springs?
help please i did stage 4 upgrade on my 212 hemi lash set properly an now the when trying to pull start it snatches the chord so hard it can break a finger what can b the issue?
Nice video. You have a new subscriber! As of today 5-23-2020. Do you suggest the hemi or the non hemi predator 212 engine for a replacement for a 3.5 tecumseh for a minibike that won’t be raced. Only mods I may do are the governor ziptie or possible remove it. Maybe down the road stage 1 intake/exhaust/ rejet. The non hemi is tough to get right now but there is a hemi available at my closest harbor freight. What would you suggest from your experience? Thank you for the input !
on the non hemi if you lose the lash cap is it important? or can it run without it
I've been watching the video, and searching all over the Internet and everybody seems to have a different answer. my question is, what is the valve lash intake and exhaust for a predator 212 that has the 18-pound valve springs? Only performance upgrades I have done is a header exhaust and an air filter
The instructions I got with my kit say .003"(three thousandths) but I set them to .0045" because of metals expanding.
So I have a Hemi predator 212cc and my compression release seems to not be working, I’ve got a Mikiuni 24mm flat slide carb, arc billet flywheel 32° timing, governor & oil sensor delete, & msd ignition spark plug wire. What should I set my lash to? Because I have no cam nor upgraded springs, valve train is stock on my build.
Hey Red quick question I have a stock cam on a 212 pred non hemi no governor I put 22lbs spring cause I had them laying around. Would you recommend that I go to 18lbs for better performance? It doesn't run as good as I want?
is 18lb recommended, or is bigger (22lb) better?
I just found out from this video the predator 212 I paid 99$ for at harbor freight is a hemi lol I wanna take the governor out and this is gonna help me to do the 18lb valve springs or 22lb cuz they are cheaper
When i tried doing this i didnt put the roppe in and the litte stick thibg u put the spring on fell into the engine how do i get it out is it a hard job or should i replace the engine
whats a good valve lash number for the hemi 18 pound spring
I have never used a set of feeler gauges on these. I have always just tightened the rockers down until they barely have any wiggle and have had zero issues.
My non-hemi had no lash cap, keepers instead of the "keyed" retainers and a seal on the intake valve. I guess they change things up every now and then?
I had bought some valve springs 22-pound. I didn't mean to get such strong ones, but will they work or should I return them? I have a Honda GX200. Mikuni carburetor setup remove governor custom-built frame mini bike first timer Builder My main question is a 22lb spring for my setup. To strong of spring? And thanks to you for all the help through your videos.
what is the valve lash for a gx200 clone? i installed them and my bike isnt running good.
Not sure if it was mentioned in this video, but MAKE SURE you adjust on TDC compression stroke not TDC exhaust stroke. Very important.
Do you need to set the valve last for 22lb valve springs on the hemi predator 212 ??
I plan on running only premium in my predator 212 because I can get that ethanol free, not looking to build a crazy engine, I'm keeping the govorner so that it's "idiot proof" ill be running a free flowing air filter and exhaust simply because of what its going in, but it seems like I should bump compression ratio to take advantage of the higher octane rating, any advice?
Put kit on my kids bike and now won’t start pull cord dosnt even want to pull back in any suggestions
I got a question. When it comes to valvetrain I’m not smart. Why do you have to adjust the lash?
Does this work with the stock motor on an EX?
Red Beard's Garage What about the stock engine on the CT200U-EX? Is it the same valve springs and settings as the Predator?
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Does anyone know if they put a 3rd lash cap in the 212 hemi pred engine. I took the governor out and when I washed it out a 3rd cap was found .i started the engine a few times to change oil and it was all good but I think they might have dropped a lash cap in it but not sure
The new non Hemi predator valve caps have two small retainer in it for each side you are going to need a magnet these little small things are going to fall if you have big hands like me they are hard to work with but a small screwdriver with a magnet tip you can place those teeny things right where you want them press down one side first lock it then slide the other side on zip ties help the small ones
Do you have to change the springs if you change out jet muffler and air cleaner ??????
I need help when i put the valve springs in and adjusted the valves I pull the cord cord try to start it my Flywheel moves a half a turn then stops and won't move anymore I don't understand y
If you upgrade air filter, jets, 140 E tube, and 18 lb. springs,...do you have to do the billet rods and flywheel in order to remove the governor ?
You don't have to but it is highly recommended
Nice video ,but lot of mini bike guys use the hemi engine with the 212 head and a Honda flywheel with gx160 flywheel fan
Hey redbeard your vids are the best. They are always the best. What is the first performance mod I should do to a stock predator 212 or 420?
Remove the governor