That doesn't really say much since that entire weapons category is pretty much trash tier on its own. Even adjudicator is pretty mid tier at best in terms of main weapons.
@@Gundolf300Well. That depends a lot tbh. Adjudicator in hands of a spray n pray player would be totally C tier. But in hands of a trigger discipline diver, with good aim, and recoil control is absolute A-S tier against bugs. On bots othewise is B-A max.
The adjudicator didn't feel strong enough for me. Granted I haven't tried it since it got buffed last patch, but I remember running a diff 7 mission against bugs and it just couldn't kill anything fast enough so I was constantly retreating and reloading. At least the lib concussive actually lets me push forward.
The tier is justified. When I used it the shots velocity was completely inconsistent and the projectile bounced back at me and killed me twice in the same match
He placed pummeler at C tier and then proceeded to say he doesn’t use it. Bro. It’s sick. The stagger is unmatched enemies literally stop attacking and stand still when you shoot them
C is too low, true. But killing stuff quickly with your main and support weapons is always better. Stun is for nades or orbital. Id say B for the Pummeler. And there is the Liberator concussive which is straight up better, except you wanna go with a shield vs Bots.
@@ManuR-l4m pummeler is much better than the concussive. It has a faster fire rate meaning higher dps and it doesn’t knock enemies around making them harder to hit. It freezes enemies in place making follow-up shots very easy. It’s also one handed.
Pummeler is worthless. Simply doesnt have enough crowd control to be a primary, and with the few classes you need to stagger/stun, there are much better options. Smgs are garbage in this game.
There’s no way my precious DOMINATOR goes in B. It is damn near unmatched in single target DPS and is a king against the bots. Even against the bugs, it can nearly one tap everything and 3/4 clip dump a charger butt, I want justice for my DOMINATOR.
Jar5 Dominator is no joke, i love to lean with it and rock with it, no diddy . I feel like the turning armor buff makes it feel a little too loosey goosey anyway. Jar5 Dominator puts everything on its ass the first time, definitely S tier.
I think a problem with this tier list is that you factor in synergies for some weapons, but not others. Isn’t the Dominator at least A tier when we do use peak physique? Or conversely, is the Breaker Incendiary really S tier without an ammo backpack?
Pummeler is Tier A smg. it can deal with hunters & stalkers (which is most annoying bug ig). It staggering them in place, if you get swarmed, this gun can save you ass.
Dominator goes higher - its a beast vs bots with its stagger. And so good against medium bugs, which is most of the maps youre on (hive guard/brood map or nursing/bile spewer maps are so common). This is the reason why the counter sniper should be higher as well. Scythe has no stagger, and overheats fairly quickly. Id drop that down. Concussive does nothing for me, C tier. It has stagger but doesnt kill efficiently.. if you wanna play support, its ok I suppose. Flamethrower has good damage, but kiting to kill is not worthy of A. So easy to get jumped by hunters too, even when theyre on fire. This is the weapon I'd pick if I wanted to avoid fights, and clean up behind me.. Punisher staggers well, but knocks them out of its own effective range making you waste your very limited ammo not killing things. Drop down. If the knight is S tier so is the carbine.
I remember when everyone hated on the plas purifier 🤣 now look how it’s climbed the ranks. I always believed in it pre buff. I’m glad they made it to where it does more damage if you charge it which is what it was before already
They need to add an upgraded version of R-2124 Constitution -> R-2184 - Amendment. 300dmg, pen 4, 8 rounds, more range and dmg on bayonet. The weapon is just way too fun to play with for it to be so bad. And they SHOULDN'T buff Constitution, as it's a free starter weapon. Problem solved, this will make everyone happy.
YES. Like the Dilligence, give it a second variant for us to earn somehow. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t using this thing as a bit of a test for weapon customization. Make sure the bayonet stab animation is consistent and not bugged, see what feedback is with it, etc.
I'd argue the Diligence Pen is A tier, I've honestly never had any issues running it against bots or bugs. It kills quick, lets you get the jump on enemies from a distance, and provides great cover fire for squad mates, especially once you get familiar with enemy weak points. Best primary? No. Very well rounded? Definitely.
I still think assault rifles need more ammo. Maybe there will be individual upgrades that players can purchase to modify specific weapons. There's something incredibly fun about going off on a horde of enemies with the satisfying chug-chug-chug of a machine gun.
ima have to be honest, this is the safest tier list I have ever seen, mostly, I do this the majority of rankings are off but only by one tier, except for the diligence rifles, im not sure if you haven't tried them and just brushed them off because why the heck would you use that for bugs? but there actually pretty decent
I mean, this teir list is extremely geared towards bugs you barely mention bots. Most weapons in C teir are pretty much A-S teir on the bot front for their long-range head poping capacity or intense stagger additionally most medium pen weapons are S teir on bots for...uhh obvious reasons. And any light pen you put in S teir would likely be B-C teir for again obvious reasons for bots Edit* light pen shotguns are essentially ineffective against bots light pen ARs are pretty good given good aim
For one you only compare them to the bugs like stalkers commanders and two if your gonna use a supply pack for the breaker incen you can use one for the liberator carbine. Other than that it was good rankings
I’m gonna be one of the ones that agrees with you on the Dominator placement. Sure, it’s a powerful weapon but it handles like a naval cannon and it gets me in trouble more often than not because it has like no AOE and if you miss, you’re screwed. My poor Plasma shotty got massacred. So not happy that AH couldn’t resist touching it.
@@Beutings I just saw I just saw I just saw aaaaa my baby is BACK! I hope they kept the increased fire-rate but even if they didn't I'm still happy they reverted it
Troll tier list. One tier list for both fronts? DCS in C tier and CS in D tier? Dominator in B tier? Have you even tried this weapons more then once? For all the new helldivers its safer to ignore this tier list and look for some other.
🎉Nice perspective on the knight smg 😂 ok now another one plasma shotgun is BAD? 😢 Are you playing the game sir? Most of this is correct. But dominator on b?
Dominator is a meh and the plasma shotgun is just... not worth to pick when you have best choices there. The knight i dont use it since long long time and i dont know how it performs
I've been running Blitzer, stun grenades, quasar, liberator guard dog, Tesla tower, and static mortar. I'm still struggling to keep my tesla safe from chargers. Tried gas bombard a couple times, curious if the static orbital is better. Any tesla pros got any advice?
Im not a tesla pro, kinda hate them, but you might try the Arc Thrower. Insane range and it locks everything down except BTs and Impalers. Chargers and stalkers just sit there and die as you nuke them and 6 of their closest friends. I switch up my loadout but just did a along stint with the Arc. You should run thermites if you do, as once you stun the charger, you have enough time to stick one of those to the charger and then shock them again before they move. Stick them anywhere and they die.
Look, I giggle like a kid when I run the Knight SMG with a supply pack. It's a pure bullet hose and watching bugs/bots evaporate and being dead so fast that the server doesn't keep up with it is hilarious. ...But it has no business being in S-tier. The recoil is ridiculous unless you have a recoil mitigation suit. It eats through ammunition faster than kids eat candy on Halloween. I've always regretted running it without the supply pack and it's always been a mistake. Every other weapon, I can make work without a supply pack. Might not be as easy/fun without it, but it works. Not the Knight SMG. It's a FUN weapon. I'll give you that. But it's not a good weapon.
Jesus i love this tier list. And finally, someone who isnt afraid of saying how terrible the constitution is!😂 Only thing i disagree with is the liberators. I think default liberate is C tier, and the carbine literally couldve been an RPM toggle... and penetrator damage is still too low against armored units too be good. And obviously the knight smg, but you enjoy it, so i aint gonna argue😂
Man. Totally want to play but I keep crashing where my computer shuts off. I don't know why. What I do know is that it is not my PSU. I have gone through 2 PSUs and ran that PSU stress test with no issues. My best guess at the moment is either motherboard or some how I'm tripping the anti-cheat guard shutting off my pc.
@@anthonyju6392 I have the computer a good air clean, made sure settings weren’t too high, and then the weird thing that made the biggest difference, ONLY change your loadout when you’re in your hellpod getting ready to drop After I stopped changing my gear in the ship, I stopped crashing for some reason
I know it’s an opinion, but some opinions are definitely better than others with facts backing claims up. This is NOT a good tier list for many reasons. Idk if this guy plays past level 5… just needs a lot more experience with each weapon to properly understand them. Don’t listen to this list, many other TH-camrs know what they’re talking about with tier lists.
@@johnhelldiverplays Do you hop on the internet just to complain about non-issues? By that logic he should wait until every warbond is released to make a tier list.
Ignore weapon tier lists. Play with what ever weapons complement your squad. Don't listen to D tier TH-camrs who probably play solo because they have no friends
It's an inferior version of the Diligence Counter Sniper; which is already a below average weapon versus the bugs. And then it lacks a scope for the bots. Definitely D tier simply due to how slowly it reloads.
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The tenderizer in C tier is wild.
That is the best AR outside of the adjudicator.
That doesn't really say much since that entire weapons category is pretty much trash tier on its own. Even adjudicator is pretty mid tier at best in terms of main weapons.
@@Gundolf300Well. That depends a lot tbh. Adjudicator in hands of a spray n pray player would be totally C tier. But in hands of a trigger discipline diver, with good aim, and recoil control is absolute A-S tier against bugs. On bots othewise is B-A max.
I agree bro. I was like... have you used it? Do you play the same game i play?
Putting the tenderizer under the 2 clone liberators is such a bruh moment. They all garbage but the tenderizer is the top of the garbage pile.
The adjudicator didn't feel strong enough for me. Granted I haven't tried it since it got buffed last patch, but I remember running a diff 7 mission against bugs and it just couldn't kill anything fast enough so I was constantly retreating and reloading.
At least the lib concussive actually lets me push forward.
My poor Punisher Plasma.........was S Tier and now is D Tier.
The thing is not much changed i think he just is biased against the P-P. It’s still good cesrtainly not that low on the list
Side note, he also out the hot garbage knight smg in s tier, kind of a sussy ranking
i havent used it since the update but before hand it was my go to
The tier is justified. When I used it the shots velocity was completely inconsistent and the projectile bounced back at me and killed me twice in the same match
Agreed
This list lowkey coulda waited a week since the new warbond comes out in a few days, but nice to see your thoughts regardless
He placed pummeler at C tier and then proceeded to say he doesn’t use it. Bro. It’s sick. The stagger is unmatched enemies literally stop attacking and stand still when you shoot them
C is too low, true. But killing stuff quickly with your main and support weapons is always better. Stun is for nades or orbital. Id say B for the Pummeler. And there is the Liberator concussive which is straight up better, except you wanna go with a shield vs Bots.
@@ManuR-l4m pummeler is much better than the concussive. It has a faster fire rate meaning higher dps and it doesn’t knock enemies around making them harder to hit. It freezes enemies in place making follow-up shots very easy. It’s also one handed.
Pummeler is worthless. Simply doesnt have enough crowd control to be a primary, and with the few classes you need to stagger/stun, there are much better options. Smgs are garbage in this game.
Do you wanna what also stops them? death 😂
@@Agent_Nick_5000 bile spewers will stop spitting at you, and it will stop a hive queen charge
There’s no way my precious DOMINATOR goes in B. It is damn near unmatched in single target DPS and is a king against the bots. Even against the bugs, it can nearly one tap everything and 3/4 clip dump a charger butt, I want justice for my DOMINATOR.
he put it there because he cant aim
Also it seems it’s almost completely based on vs bugs
Bugdivers man...Just Bugdivers
Jar5 Dominator is no joke, i love to lean with it and rock with it, no diddy . I feel like the turning armor buff makes it feel a little too loosey goosey anyway. Jar5 Dominator puts everything on its ass the first time, definitely S tier.
Its my main weapon used in both fronts .
knight in s class and jar in b tells me this is invalid immediately
I think a problem with this tier list is that you factor in synergies for some weapons, but not others. Isn’t the Dominator at least A tier when we do use peak physique? Or conversely, is the Breaker Incendiary really S tier without an ammo backpack?
Pummeler is Tier A smg. it can deal with hunters & stalkers (which is most annoying bug ig). It staggering them in place, if you get swarmed, this gun can save you ass.
Dominator goes higher - its a beast vs bots with its stagger. And so good against medium bugs, which is most of the maps youre on (hive guard/brood map or nursing/bile spewer maps are so common). This is the reason why the counter sniper should be higher as well.
Scythe has no stagger, and overheats fairly quickly. Id drop that down.
Concussive does nothing for me, C tier. It has stagger but doesnt kill efficiently.. if you wanna play support, its ok I suppose.
Flamethrower has good damage, but kiting to kill is not worthy of A. So easy to get jumped by hunters too, even when theyre on fire. This is the weapon I'd pick if I wanted to avoid fights, and clean up behind me..
Punisher staggers well, but knocks them out of its own effective range making you waste your very limited ammo not killing things. Drop down.
If the knight is S tier so is the carbine.
I remember when everyone hated on the plas purifier 🤣 now look how it’s climbed the ranks. I always believed in it pre buff. I’m glad they made it to where it does more damage if you charge it which is what it was before already
Oh hell yeh, absolutely love the purifier. Adding charge up shots is dope, which mags were bigger, but that’s every weapon 😅
Knight in S tier? And tenderizer 3 tiers behind? This guy must be trolling.
They need to add an upgraded version of R-2124 Constitution -> R-2184 - Amendment. 300dmg, pen 4, 8 rounds, more range and dmg on bayonet.
The weapon is just way too fun to play with for it to be so bad.
And they SHOULDN'T buff Constitution, as it's a free starter weapon.
Problem solved, this will make everyone happy.
YES. Like the Dilligence, give it a second variant for us to earn somehow.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t using this thing as a bit of a test for weapon customization. Make sure the bayonet stab animation is consistent and not bugged, see what feedback is with it, etc.
3 century old rifle and its a CEREMONIAL WEAPON! No way is it needing a buff the only buff i would give it is heavy armor pen
yes i would rather more bolt action options cause the constitution feels very nice to use
Genuinely love how nobody can make a HD2 tier list that everyone agrees with. There's ALWAYS 1 or more hot takes regardless of who makes the video.
The Pummeler is a bit underrated imo
The fact you even mention the supply backpack is proof that incendiary breaker is no longer S tier, it’s A tier now.
I'd argue the Diligence Pen is A tier, I've honestly never had any issues running it against bots or bugs. It kills quick, lets you get the jump on enemies from a distance, and provides great cover fire for squad mates, especially once you get familiar with enemy weak points. Best primary? No. Very well rounded? Definitely.
I still think assault rifles need more ammo.
Maybe there will be individual upgrades that players can purchase to modify specific weapons. There's something incredibly fun about going off on a horde of enemies with the satisfying chug-chug-chug of a machine gun.
ima have to be honest, this is the safest tier list I have ever seen, mostly, I do this the majority of rankings are off but only by one tier, except for the diligence rifles, im not sure if you haven't tried them and just brushed them off because why the heck would you use that for bugs? but there actually pretty decent
tenderizer in C hurts my soul. its the best AR in the game, unless you want AP3, then the adjudicator is tops
yeah really insane rating it under lib
I agree, I would switch that beauty to A tier.
Tenderizer deserves its C tier, but all the other ARs deserve Z- tier really.
I mean, this teir list is extremely geared towards bugs you barely mention bots. Most weapons in C teir are pretty much A-S teir on the bot front for their long-range head poping capacity or intense stagger additionally most medium pen weapons are S teir on bots for...uhh obvious reasons. And any light pen you put in S teir would likely be B-C teir for again obvious reasons for bots
Edit* light pen shotguns are essentially ineffective against bots light pen ARs are pretty good given good aim
For one you only compare them to the bugs like stalkers commanders and two if your gonna use a supply pack for the breaker incen you can use one for the liberator carbine. Other than that it was good rankings
He mostly plays against bugs, so it makes sense that the list would lean that way.
@@xCheezburglarx the carbine point still stands though it’s an excellent bug weapon with the supply pack
I’m gonna be one of the ones that agrees with you on the Dominator placement. Sure, it’s a powerful weapon but it handles like a naval cannon and it gets me in trouble more often than not because it has like no AOE and if you miss, you’re screwed.
My poor Plasma shotty got massacred. So not happy that AH couldn’t resist touching it.
Check again. They reverted the change 😀
@@Beutings I just saw I just saw I just saw aaaaa my baby is BACK! I hope they kept the increased fire-rate but even if they didn't I'm still happy they reverted it
Troll tier list. One tier list for both fronts? DCS in C tier and CS in D tier? Dominator in B tier? Have you even tried this weapons more then once? For all the new helldivers its safer to ignore this tier list and look for some other.
This is specifically for bugs I think because he never talks about any bots
This is for a bug tier list right, some guns here work better for bots that are on the lower tier
🎉Nice perspective on the knight smg 😂 ok now another one plasma shotgun is BAD? 😢 Are you playing the game sir? Most of this is correct. But dominator on b?
Dominator is a meh and the plasma shotgun is just... not worth to pick when you have best choices there. The knight i dont use it since long long time and i dont know how it performs
I've been running Blitzer, stun grenades, quasar, liberator guard dog, Tesla tower, and static mortar. I'm still struggling to keep my tesla safe from chargers. Tried gas bombard a couple times, curious if the static orbital is better. Any tesla pros got any advice?
Im not a tesla pro, kinda hate them, but you might try the Arc Thrower. Insane range and it locks everything down except BTs and Impalers. Chargers and stalkers just sit there and die as you nuke them and 6 of their closest friends. I switch up my loadout but just did a along stint with the Arc. You should run thermites if you do, as once you stun the charger, you have enough time to stick one of those to the charger and then shock them again before they move. Stick them anywhere and they die.
Is this only for bugs? I feel like I heard nothing about fighting automatons
April 1st is thataway >>>
Look, I giggle like a kid when I run the Knight SMG with a supply pack. It's a pure bullet hose and watching bugs/bots evaporate and being dead so fast that the server doesn't keep up with it is hilarious.
...But it has no business being in S-tier. The recoil is ridiculous unless you have a recoil mitigation suit. It eats through ammunition faster than kids eat candy on Halloween. I've always regretted running it without the supply pack and it's always been a mistake. Every other weapon, I can make work without a supply pack. Might not be as easy/fun without it, but it works. Not the Knight SMG.
It's a FUN weapon. I'll give you that. But it's not a good weapon.
You can tell he’s a bug farmer. Come join the real fight against the Automatons
The only thing I disagree with is that I think the torcher should be in s
Tbf the constitution rifle is really good at aim training against bots
Jesus i love this tier list. And finally, someone who isnt afraid of saying how terrible the constitution is!😂
Only thing i disagree with is the liberators. I think default liberate is C tier, and the carbine literally couldve been an RPM toggle... and penetrator damage is still too low against armored units too be good. And obviously the knight smg, but you enjoy it, so i aint gonna argue😂
Man. Totally want to play but I keep crashing where my computer shuts off. I don't know why. What I do know is that it is not my PSU. I have gone through 2 PSUs and ran that PSU stress test with no issues. My best guess at the moment is either motherboard or some how I'm tripping the anti-cheat guard shutting off my pc.
Are you running intel hardware or Radeon?
I’m running Radeon and have had crash issues, but I’ve got them sorted now I think
@@r6TrdSlow I am running Radeon but CPU and GPU. What did you do?
@@anthonyju6392 I have the computer a good air clean, made sure settings weren’t too high, and then the weird thing that made the biggest difference, ONLY change your loadout when you’re in your hellpod getting ready to drop
After I stopped changing my gear in the ship, I stopped crashing for some reason
I like this good review 😊😊
You didn’t talk about the guns vs bots at all only bugs
I know it’s an opinion, but some opinions are definitely better than others with facts backing claims up. This is NOT a good tier list for many reasons. Idk if this guy plays past level 5… just needs a lot more experience with each weapon to properly understand them.
Don’t listen to this list, many other TH-camrs know what they’re talking about with tier lists.
Oh, it is a tier for the bug side.
You forgot the sickle.
2:40
2:15 exactly. Its your list.
now do a tier list but for bots
This tier list was on point
Constitution rifle S tier
y make this before the next warbond?
Got a point
There is nothing stopping him from making another video after the warbond.
@@jsmith-u5i still could’ve just waited 5 days
@@johnhelldiverplays Do you hop on the internet just to complain about non-issues? By that logic he should wait until every warbond is released to make a tier list.
@@xCheezburglarx by your logic he’ll never make a fiercest then if he waits for everyone
Yo this tier list sucks
Diligence Sniper for bots 😤
Ignore weapon tier lists. Play with what ever weapons complement your squad. Don't listen to D tier TH-camrs who probably play solo because they have no friends
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Why did this get you so mad😂😂there is defo something wrong w u
Lol ef my squad
Ranking vs Bugs*
So what i'm hearing is "I cant fight the bots at all"....I see.
Putting the constitution rifle we got when we were 16 in D tier… you saying super earth doesn’t give good gifts??? That’s not very democratic of you
the constitution is actually kinda good for me but ur opinion i guess
It's an inferior version of the Diligence Counter Sniper; which is already a below average weapon versus the bugs. And then it lacks a scope for the bots. Definitely D tier simply due to how slowly it reloads.