Bro...I know it is frustrating, but you are doing the very thing that most wont. Sorry you laid her down, but you are learning edge grip in a safe place, which means you are smarter than 90% of us, that only learn edge grip when we crash...going way too fast. God bless you brother.
You don’t drag knee in a parking lot! That’s not learning that’s just stupid. Not enough speed or gforce to hold the bike up, even a two year old knows this. He’s not doing the right thing it’s the wrong thing. Dragging knee is only for show and picture taking, safe riding is using traction of motorcycle to its fullest.
All the right gear, all the right protections, in an empty parking lot, in front of an imaging clinic, learning what 95% of rider refuse to... You sir are a gentleman and I congratulate you for doing the right thing. Whatever you broke is well worth the lesson you safely learnt that day. Keep up the good work.
@@urpwnd That's because 99% of people ride on the road and you really shouldn't be dragging knees on the road. Too many variables on public roads to be leaning the bike over that much. If your a track day person then this exercise is right up your ally.
Nothing wrong with that one, nice to see someone out practicing. You will never know where the line is until you touch it or pass it. Hella nice lean btw.
All I see is a guy wearing his gear and getting that practice in on a clean safe and empty parking lot! I hope your clutch cover survived and more of us need to do exactly what you are doing to better learn our bikes limits! Awesome video man #Subscribed
@@Mohapi_Tau that’s the only way to learn idiot I’d rather side swipe it then go out and try to Learn in the streets and possibly lose my life or completely destroy the bike
The safe margin from upright position starts to reduce with increased angle of lean. U will know when u start approaching the danger line. Why would I want to get there when I am not Marquez.
Clueless! You don’t practice knee dragging lean in a parking lot. Not enough speed or gforce to hold the bike up. Looks like there’s a lot of non riders in comment section.. lol.
Total stud for practicing this way rather than flinging your bike and/or yourself across traffic or off a cliff, and total super beast for posting your own video so that others hopefully can learn from your outstanding example! Thank you!
Did this to myself a couple of months ago. So glad it happened slowly in an empty lot and not out in the twisties. Good on this rider for practicing in a controlled environment
So sorry Matt S! But good for you to learn and practice in a systematic and smart way. Having done it several times, I know what a horrible feeling it is to drop a bike - especially when they are new or otherwise undamaged. But this type of practice will repay you in experience on the road and in the future.
Bro I didn’t want to see this video cause I didn’t want to see another drifting crash.. but I’m glad i did... I never thought of practicing corners in the lot. GENIUS! Thanks a ton 🙏
I’ve done that many times! Never on the street, always wearing full gear. Nice job Man! I have frame sliders to protect my fairings on my S1000RR, if you don’t have them, get some!
Yep, it happens! There's also one more thing you need to pay attention to which may have added to the crash. At that angle, everything has to be perfecly balanced, you know this from your previous statement "too much input". What you might have missed and you can hear it on the first pass especially (it's also on the second pass), is the throttle seems to be closing. As the angle of lean increases, the engine pitch (RPM) should rise slightly if it's on a steady throttle. Your engine is slowing, indicating the throttle is closing, which is adding to the load on the front. Something to think about perhaps. I'm not trolling, just trying to pick up on a point that might help you out. I remember thinking I can put my pegs down at will if I wanted to, but thought better of it at the time and probably saved myself from this exact same crash. Stay safe and enjoy!
I think some are missing that you lean over so the bike doesn’t have to. You lean so you don’t push the bike down and exceed the lean angle/grip of the tires. It’s not all about wearing the chicken strips off the edges. To me, the edge is the danger zone of grip or no grip, and what just happened to him is what happens when you exceeded the grip/edge of the tire. I’d rather leave a bit of edge for a fudge factor, especially on the street where you really have no idea what’s on the road itself. You can’t really see dust or sand, and they are both bad for your health…
I know it's bad to see your loved motorcycle on the ground but.... You're really smart. You're practicing in a safe place, no cars, no people, not speeding. You're learing and that's what counts. You're low-siding in a parking lot to avoid crashing in the streets (which could also results in a serious injury and in a totaled bike). Wish you the best in your life! Practice ;)
Do the sliders avoid all damage to the fairings? I was thinking about purchasing second hand fairings to learn and put aside the brand new ones until i get proficient
i thought about doing the same practice in a parking lot. But had the fear of not having grip on the white stripes! Did you slip because of these white stripes?
I gotta give it to this guy. Hes obviously learning and improving his riding SAFELY in an empty lot. I have respect for riders like this that take the time to understand how their bike handles and how hard they can push it before just terrorizing the streets! Keep it up. Its a sick bike!
Here is the thing about leaning, leaning is speed and curve dependent, if you lean too far into a turn with low speed you gonna stall into a low side wipe out.
Practicing on low speeds isn't actually as easy as it seems. Why he got lost control? Lost of traction because of combination of excessive lean angle,cold tires and most likely engine braking. It seems like no brakes were used.
@@amayu4139 normally a footpeg would scrape and wouldn't affect handling much unless you hit like a perfect crack in the asphalt and it gripped tf outta that bitch lol
Would crash bars help to prevent fairing, case covering, and handlebar damage here? Speed seems slow enough not to cause a high side from the crash guard. Edit: the lean angle is so low though the crash bar would probably catch on the floor ; (
Couldn't pick a better place to learn and expand yourself on this stuff. You're all geared up, as well. This is a really good example of how to stretch riding skills. Having a buddy with you maybe helpful, especially if he's a coach with a trained eye/ear that routinely teaches this kind of stuff to prepare folks for their first/next track day. ;) Working on increasing your lean angle tolerance is good at low speed, as we tend to have about a 20° hard wired limit in us without any training. You've broken through that nicely. The suspension compresses a bit more in a corner at faster speed, so remember that you will have less corner clearance of hard parts to the road at high speed than you did at low speed. So lean angles you are used to being able to achieve at slow speed may or may not need to be a little less when you go to the track. As you say in your description, you are touching some hard parts in the turn, and it startles you. Listening to your engine, reveals that you're pretty much coasting(or at most at neutral throttle) through the turn without following through with a bit more throttle. That makes the bike kind of float around its suspension travel throughout the turn and that makes grip levels not as stable/reliable. Tires have more grip when they are loaded. With the back-end of the bike coming around like it did, it makes me think the rear tire is what was levered off the ground a bit more than the front tire washing out. Yeah that little bobble when you got startled helped put you on the ground. Though if you look at the first lap around, the bobble looks to be there too. There are some small details that will help give you a stable perch on the bike. They'll likely help make for less distraction/noise in your head that should help reduce/eliminate bobbles that contribute to spills. Keep at it. ...and don't forget that this stuff is supposed to be fun, so don't stress about it either. :)
The opposite, this is the speed at which you should drag knee, not at 100mph on public roads. Speed actually has a detrimental effect on lateral grip and therefore lean angles, low speed = more grip for leaning
@@AntaresSQ01 I disagree from actually riding. V tight radius corners at very low speed feel really sketchy whilst going bit faster bike feels settled and hooked up. No idea on the science bit that's how it feels on the bike to me
@@MrLeeson660 That's just a mental block, low speed manoeuvres feel sketchy until you understand you actually have more control. I had trouble doing tight turns and navigating tight obstacles without having a foot down, however i've done a lot of advanced rider courses, practiced and lived in everyday London traffic so I quickly learned that low speed you have much more grip. The reason it's easier to get a knee down at higher speeds is simply because the higher the speed is the higher forces are, your input is always constant so at higher speeds your inputs affect the bike less, therefore you need stronger inputs to affect the bike more, this gives you finer control and graduation, at low speeds, even a lean will tilt the bike over very quickly. Once you have fine control at low speeds too, it's both easier and safer to do this sort of stuff.
bro i just got a 2010 s1000rr and i'm sitting too close to the tank, im 5'9 trying to scoot back a little bit and i get too much fatigue on my arms/wrists even trying to grip the tank. Which way to i adjust my rearsets if that helps?
How do you figure? Physics forces and numbers scale down, with the same effects. Had he been trying the same thing ‘on a race track, at higher speeds’, “I’ve got to turn just a LITTLE tighter…” he’d have washed out the same way. Just with more damage being done. He didn’t fall down from going too slow.
@@troyjollimore4100 That depends on the frictional force. If I calculate the maximum frictional force, we can use that to calculate the maximum lean angle. The usual model for the static friction force (for a non-sliding tire) says that this friction force is proportional to the normal force. Of course, we already have an expression for the normal force. So what would be the coefficient of static friction (μs)? If I use a coefficient of 0.7, this would give a lean angle of 35 degrees. However, racing motorcycles can lean over 60 degrees. Working in the opposite direction, I can solve for the coefficient of friction for this large of a lean and get a value of 1.7. Yup. Wait. What? I thought the coefficient of friction was always between 0 and 1. Well, the answer is that friction is actually pretty complicated. The typical model for the frictional force says that μ is less than 1, but no one said it had to be that way.
@@T8kyol What you speak of is why many riders are scared to death to lean at all at low speed. They think they'll just fall over. Which they will, if they don't provide the rear wheel with power to 'push' the bike into staying up. Which is another form of centripetal force. I experienced this when riding, of all things, a little CB50. I pulled into a parking lot and thought I'd make a nice U-turn around a lamppost. When I leaned, the bike pretty much snapped down and back up, having made the turn inside of 2' away from said post on both sides! Surprised the heck out of me, and I wouldn't have said it was possible before that.
Anotherone who doesn't have a clue. He scrapped his foot pegs, ergo he was way past the limit. With proper upper body or foot position he would have felt "the limit" with his toe or elbow sliders way before. But that's why we practice. To get better and learn from our mistakes. Props to you, sir!
Almost impossible to tell what really happened. Was he too slow? Was he leaning to much? Engine isnt sounding right either maybe he was one gear to high? My guess is electronics interfered and slowed the bike just enough for him not to have momentum to make the turn. He was experimenting with the grip levels but at least he was smart about it.
Am sorry to see your crash. Hope it didn't scratch too much. But am so happy to see how are you practicing with the best safety. You even do it in front of the hospital!
You're not hurt and that's the main thing. I have my bike protected with crash protection and sliders on the front and rear. Case protection as well. Hopefully I won't have to use them. Take care🙏
I have got a great idea. You know how it kinda works like that, but imagine doubling the amount of wheels, and instead of having just two, you have 4, improving maneuverability. And than you also put a seat on it for comfort, and air conditiong, music, airbags and a seatbelt for safety, some sort of windshield for the wind and a roof for the rain. Sometimes my genius.. it's almost frightening.
Lots of praise for practicing in a safe environment and I agree. But you will lowside 80%+ of the time if you dont have some decent heat in your tires. Just keep that in mind when your out practicing 👍
1. You're doing your practice in a good place. 2. You saved your skin by wearing gear when you knew there'd be a bigger chance of biffing. 3. You're doing your practice in a good place. 4. Hope you had sliders on that nice Beemer. 5. You're doing your practice in a good place. 6. You are actually practicing these techniques. 7. You're doing your practice in a good place.
No way your tires are hot enough going that slow.... Also, the bike is at such a low RPM that it's very difficult to have smooth throttle control.... Also if you start dragging hard parts, do not chop the throttle, instead just try to push the bike more upright by shifting weight onto your dragging knee till and steering the front wheel to keep the back from coming around while still pushing the bike more vertical, even if it means letting your body fall more off toward the inside....
Glad to see this and not lane splitting db crap! High sided my seca because I DIDN'T do this. Still recovering and bike is almost in savable.. GOOD JOB Stay at it!
That's why you get a smaller less powerful, less expensive bike for parking lot practice. I mean you can do whatever you want, but if that's your one and only baby, better to keep it looking nice rather than risk damaging it.
Atleast ur smart and got that out of the way in a parking lot and not a road. Theres a parking lot near me and before a ride I normally do a couple hard breaking practices.
Ive read all the comments and i think everyone is forgetting one key factor. The reason he laid her down is because hes going over paint. Yes also, low speed, engine breaking , and excessive lean angle. But this is excatly what Im going to do when I get my baby. Buy some cheap ass plastics and work my way.. Well usually up.. But in this case work my way down. But first practice stopping fast and smooth with no skid. But anyways getting back to the vid. If there were a planter there with a outside turn that would of been better than going over the painted parking lines. But still good he has his gear on and going slow. Good job bro keep at it.
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How can a person be more safe than this? He's literally practicing in front of a hospital, lol.
Lmao! Nice one
Haha that’s about as good as it gets 😂
That's was a good one!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Bro...I know it is frustrating, but you are doing the very thing that most wont. Sorry you laid her down, but you are learning edge grip in a safe place, which means you are smarter than 90% of us, that only learn edge grip when we crash...going way too fast. God bless you brother.
Someone give two trophies to this guy. The first is for hes comment, the second in case he loses the first!
You don’t drag knee in a parking lot! That’s not learning that’s just stupid. Not enough speed or gforce to hold the bike up, even a two year old knows this. He’s not doing the right thing it’s the wrong thing. Dragging knee is only for show and picture taking, safe riding is using traction of motorcycle to its fullest.
@@spaceexplorer6636 go check pedro acosta practicing in a parking lot. Btw he is winning most races in moto 3
If he got shorty pegs he’d of been fine
Wholesome comment. #LAMBETHAPPROVED
Noting wrong with practice at a empty lot with full gear. Good job!!
Do not practice with S1000RR 😂
Everything right with it
@Sean I meant the practicing in an empty parking lot
@Sean Person in the video is definitely a better rider than you😂
@@monstadollas1201 yeaaa bro...we have too many theoritical warriors nowadays...waiting to leap forward and comment on others...
All the right gear, all the right protections, in an empty parking lot, in front of an imaging clinic, learning what 95% of rider refuse to... You sir are a gentleman and I congratulate you for doing the right thing. Whatever you broke is well worth the lesson you safely learnt that day. Keep up the good work.
you are absolutely correct, but really it’s probably 99% (or more) refuse to do.
@@urpwnd That's because 99% of people ride on the road and you really shouldn't be dragging knees on the road. Too many variables on public roads to be leaning the bike over that much. If your a track day person then this exercise is right up your ally.
Nothing wrong with that one, nice to see someone out practicing. You will never know where the line is until you touch it or pass it. Hella nice lean btw.
Props for wearing full gear.
All I see is a guy wearing his gear and getting that practice in on a clean safe and empty parking lot! I hope your clutch cover survived and more of us need to do exactly what you are doing to better learn our bikes limits! Awesome video man #Subscribed
I ain't sacrificing my bike.
@@Mohapi_Tau that’s the only way to learn idiot I’d rather side swipe it then go out and try to Learn in the streets and possibly lose my life or completely destroy the bike
The safe margin from upright position starts to reduce with increased angle of lean. U will know when u start approaching the danger line. Why would I want to get there when I am not Marquez.
Clueless! You don’t practice knee dragging lean in a parking lot. Not enough speed or gforce to hold the bike up. Looks like there’s a lot of non riders in comment section.. lol.
@ryt ryt81 lol GOOD ONE SLICK😂😂😂
Man you’re one of the smartest people out there, practicing outside of a Diagnostic Clinic 🤟🏽👌🏼
Yeah, now compare this with most squids that practice next to moving cars and semis. ;
Total stud for practicing this way rather than flinging your bike and/or yourself across traffic or off a cliff, and total super beast for posting your own video so that others hopefully can learn from your outstanding example! Thank you!
Better it happened in the parking lot than on the twisties bro. Good job practicing with full gear in a safe environment😎
Did this to myself a couple of months ago. So glad it happened slowly in an empty lot and not out in the twisties. Good on this rider for practicing in a controlled environment
So sorry Matt S! But good for you to learn and practice in a systematic and smart way. Having done it several times, I know what a horrible feeling it is to drop a bike - especially when they are new or otherwise undamaged. But this type of practice will repay you in experience on the road and in the future.
Too slow to low = slide out . But that’s a good lesson to learn in a safe place rather than on the road.
Bummer, at least no major damage.
Capita, l'importante è che non ti sia fatto male, le moto si aggiustano. Sei stato bravo a mantenere la calma. Saluti da Bubi di Adria
Bro I didn’t want to see this video cause I didn’t want to see another drifting crash.. but I’m glad i did... I never thought of practicing corners in the lot. GENIUS! Thanks a ton 🙏
Thanks for sending in mate, I will let u know when I use it.
I’ve done that many times! Never on the street, always wearing full gear. Nice job Man! I have frame sliders to protect my fairings on my S1000RR, if you don’t have them, get some!
God Bless you brother 🤜🏻❤️
Full gear, empty parking lot, I salute you my friend! Live and learn.
Yep, it happens! There's also one more thing you need to pay attention to which may have added to the crash. At that angle, everything has to be perfecly balanced, you know this from your previous statement "too much input". What you might have missed and you can hear it on the first pass especially (it's also on the second pass), is the throttle seems to be closing. As the angle of lean increases, the engine pitch (RPM) should rise slightly if it's on a steady throttle. Your engine is slowing, indicating the throttle is closing, which is adding to the load on the front. Something to think about perhaps. I'm not trolling, just trying to pick up on a point that might help you out. I remember thinking I can put my pegs down at will if I wanted to, but thought better of it at the time and probably saved myself from this exact same crash. Stay safe and enjoy!
I think some are missing that you lean over so the bike doesn’t have to. You lean so you don’t push the bike down and exceed the lean angle/grip of the tires. It’s not all about wearing the chicken strips off the edges. To me, the edge is the danger zone of grip or no grip, and what just happened to him is what happens when you exceeded the grip/edge of the tire. I’d rather leave a bit of edge for a fudge factor, especially on the street where you really have no idea what’s on the road itself. You can’t really see dust or sand, and they are both bad for your health…
I know it's bad to see your loved motorcycle on the ground but.... You're really smart. You're practicing in a safe place, no cars, no people, not speeding. You're learing and that's what counts. You're low-siding in a parking lot to avoid crashing in the streets (which could also results in a serious injury and in a totaled bike). Wish you the best in your life! Practice ;)
Hey bro, hats off to you! Full gear and practice in a parking lot. Motorcycle community needs more people like you!
Good job man, practice makes you perfect. I love your dainese gear!
If you’re going to come off, this is where to do it! Great work mate, but show us the damage!
Well done 👍🏻... And also for showing how to properly lift a fallen bike back up on it's wheels
Do the sliders avoid all damage to the fairings? I was thinking about purchasing second hand fairings to learn and put aside the brand new ones until i get proficient
Right way to rearn and have fun while being safe and ready to instant ride after a small side "crash"... No harm... Everyone should learn such way.
I love seeing all this love and support from the bros!!! Good job bro!
The one's that know what time it is. The Squids don't get the concept at all.
i thought about doing the same practice in a parking lot.
But had the fear of not having grip on the white stripes!
Did you slip because of these white stripes?
I gotta give it to this guy. Hes obviously learning and improving his riding SAFELY in an empty lot. I have respect for riders like this that take the time to understand how their bike handles and how hard they can push it before just terrorizing the streets! Keep it up. Its a sick bike!
Hope your R&G protected your machine. Yeah it is amazing how much grip there is at such lean angles. What tyres?
@@MADLITS1K wow really! You don't fucking say! Cheers👍🏻
also, engine guards and frame sliders are good if you dont already have them for this exact thing! bikes will go down when learning and growing.
Finally, someone that knows the proper way to lift a bike up! Even got the kickstand ready first.
Here is the thing about leaning, leaning is speed and curve dependent, if you lean too far into a turn with low speed you gonna stall into a low side wipe out.
Practicing on low speeds isn't actually as easy as it seems. Why he got lost control?
Lost of traction because of combination of excessive lean angle,cold tires and most likely engine braking. It seems like no brakes were used.
True crashed the same way last week practicing. Slow speeds, cold tires and too much lean
Nah, he just scratched his footpeg against asphalt and lost grip.
@@amayu4139 normally a footpeg would scrape and wouldn't affect handling much unless you hit like a perfect crack in the asphalt and it gripped tf outta that bitch lol
Would crash bars help to prevent fairing, case covering, and handlebar damage here? Speed seems slow enough not to cause a high side from the crash guard. Edit: the lean angle is so low though the crash bar would probably catch on the floor ; (
What caused the low side - was the lean too aggressive leaving not enough tyre surface area on the tarmac?
congratulations for practicing safely, nice bike, did you mess something up?
Commend you for sharing and for practicing. This is how we should all do it. I want a second set of fairings to get practicing.
Yo what type of suit Is that ?!?! 🔥
One thing only... can you practice left turns and crash it on the side w/o exhaust? :)
Is that the Danbury CT hospital ??
What gear were you in and were you on the clutch at all?
You've got it bro. Keep practicing you are the man!
How come his airbag vest did not go off
So was it too much lean on that…was it a point of peg hitting and making it slide?
It happens and you are doing it right. This is the only way to find that line to not cross. Good on you man
The perfect example fort all the safety-experts out there :D Good job and thx for sharing
Couldn't pick a better place to learn and expand yourself on this stuff. You're all geared up, as well. This is a really good example of how to stretch riding skills. Having a buddy with you maybe helpful, especially if he's a coach with a trained eye/ear that routinely teaches this kind of stuff to prepare folks for their first/next track day. ;)
Working on increasing your lean angle tolerance is good at low speed, as we tend to have about a 20° hard wired limit in us without any training. You've broken through that nicely. The suspension compresses a bit more in a corner at faster speed, so remember that you will have less corner clearance of hard parts to the road at high speed than you did at low speed. So lean angles you are used to being able to achieve at slow speed may or may not need to be a little less when you go to the track.
As you say in your description, you are touching some hard parts in the turn, and it startles you. Listening to your engine, reveals that you're pretty much coasting(or at most at neutral throttle) through the turn without following through with a bit more throttle. That makes the bike kind of float around its suspension travel throughout the turn and that makes grip levels not as stable/reliable. Tires have more grip when they are loaded. With the back-end of the bike coming around like it did, it makes me think the rear tire is what was levered off the ground a bit more than the front tire washing out.
Yeah that little bobble when you got startled helped put you on the ground. Though if you look at the first lap around, the bobble looks to be there too. There are some small details that will help give you a stable perch on the bike. They'll likely help make for less distraction/noise in your head that should help reduce/eliminate bobbles that contribute to spills.
Keep at it. ...and don't forget that this stuff is supposed to be fun, so don't stress about it either. :)
Good try. You are doing something that most of us don't dare. Keep at it!
did you buy any replacement fairings?
Some mega lean angle for that slow speed man asking alot of her there. Great job for practicing safe though👍👍
The opposite, this is the speed at which you should drag knee, not at 100mph on public roads. Speed actually has a detrimental effect on lateral grip and therefore lean angles, low speed = more grip for leaning
@@AntaresSQ01 I disagree from actually riding. V tight radius corners at very low speed feel really sketchy whilst going bit faster bike feels settled and hooked up. No idea on the science bit that's how it feels on the bike to me
@@MrLeeson660 That's just a mental block, low speed manoeuvres feel sketchy until you understand you actually have more control. I had trouble doing tight turns and navigating tight obstacles without having a foot down, however i've done a lot of advanced rider courses, practiced and lived in everyday London traffic so I quickly learned that low speed you have much more grip. The reason it's easier to get a knee down at higher speeds is simply because the higher the speed is the higher forces are, your input is always constant so at higher speeds your inputs affect the bike less, therefore you need stronger inputs to affect the bike more, this gives you finer control and graduation, at low speeds, even a lean will tilt the bike over very quickly. Once you have fine control at low speeds too, it's both easier and safer to do this sort of stuff.
@@AntaresSQ01 You’re missing one other point. At higher speeds, the turn is not going to be as tight given the same lean angle.
@@troyjollimore4100 that's also true
I’m saving up for a Helite vest too
air bag vest a bit overkill or...?
I just did the same thing with my SDR KTM practicing figure 8s about a month ago , hope your arm and bike are 👍
looking good bro! sorry about the crash. tires a little cold, maybe?
Perfect practice did you have frame sliders? If so you probably had no damage
bro i just got a 2010 s1000rr and i'm sitting too close to the tank, im 5'9 trying to scoot back a little bit and i get too much fatigue on my arms/wrists even trying to grip the tank. Which way to i adjust my rearsets if that helps?
it’s like a dream. full gear? parking lot practice? wow-wow-wee-wow
Hier das war nicht richtig im Bild. Könntest du das nochmal machen?
Did your exhaust catch? edit: doesn’t look like it but I heard a grind of camera. Were you already sliding at that point?
So, technically,why did he go down? Was he too slow for the amount of lean he was trying to use? Or something else?
Tires were probably not up to optimal temperature either
it is good, you are trying this in the place where is no traffic ... respect !!!
do you have high rearsets?
Nice! I'm looking for a third small cheapie bike that I can guard up and use just for practice like this.
Gonna be a blast!!
Great job practicing in that environment. Love it.
Physics/ inertia you needed a real track to gain more speed for the bike to stay up at the degree of angle you were attempting to lean
How do you figure? Physics forces and numbers scale down, with the same effects. Had he been trying the same thing ‘on a race track, at higher speeds’, “I’ve got to turn just a LITTLE tighter…” he’d have washed out the same way. Just with more damage being done. He didn’t fall down from going too slow.
@@troyjollimore4100 That depends on the frictional force. If I calculate the maximum frictional force, we can use that to calculate the maximum lean angle. The usual model for the static friction force (for a non-sliding tire) says that this friction force is proportional to the normal force.
Of course, we already have an expression for the normal force.
So what would be the coefficient of static friction (μs)? If I use a coefficient of 0.7, this would give a lean angle of 35 degrees. However, racing motorcycles can lean over 60 degrees. Working in the opposite direction, I can solve for the coefficient of friction for this large of a lean and get a value of 1.7. Yup.
Wait. What? I thought the coefficient of friction was always between 0 and 1. Well, the answer is that friction is actually pretty complicated. The typical model for the frictional force says that μ is less than 1, but no one said it had to be that way.
@@T8kyol What you speak of is why many riders are scared to death to lean at all at low speed. They think they'll just fall over. Which they will, if they don't provide the rear wheel with power to 'push' the bike into staying up. Which is another form of centripetal force.
I experienced this when riding, of all things, a little CB50. I pulled into a parking lot and thought I'd make a nice U-turn around a lamppost. When I leaned, the bike pretty much snapped down and back up, having made the turn inside of 2' away from said post on both sides! Surprised the heck out of me, and I wouldn't have said it was possible before that.
Anotherone who doesn't have a clue. He scrapped his foot pegs, ergo he was way past the limit. With proper upper body or foot position he would have felt "the limit" with his toe or elbow sliders way before. But that's why we practice. To get better and learn from our mistakes. Props to you, sir!
Almost impossible to tell what really happened. Was he too slow? Was he leaning to much? Engine isnt sounding right either maybe he was one gear to high? My guess is electronics interfered and slowed the bike just enough for him not to have momentum to make the turn. He was experimenting with the grip levels but at least he was smart about it.
I'd be concerned about tyre temp doing that.
Any chance you're in the dmv?
Am sorry to see your crash. Hope it didn't scratch too much. But am so happy to see how are you practicing with the best safety. You even do it in front of the hospital!
You're not hurt and that's the main thing. I have my bike protected with crash protection and sliders on the front and rear. Case protection as well. Hopefully I won't have to use them. Take care🙏
Did you sweep the parking lot?
I have got a great idea. You know how it kinda works like that, but imagine doubling the amount of wheels, and instead of having just two, you have 4, improving maneuverability. And than you also put a seat on it for comfort, and air conditiong, music, airbags and a seatbelt for safety, some sort of windshield for the wind and a roof for the rain. Sometimes my genius.. it's almost frightening.
What was the issue? Too sharp for the speed?
Cold tires
sounded like leaning too much, and dropping it
Too slow for that lean angle. Novice?
Lots of praise for practicing in a safe environment and I agree. But you will lowside 80%+ of the time if you dont have some decent heat in your tires. Just keep that in mind when your out practicing 👍
as you said man it's bound to happen and it's part of the thrill and fun of learning, nice first turn tho keep on goin :D
Question is, did you learn anything about cold tires? You can’t achieve working temps in a parking lot.
Damn this is probably the most supportive comment thread I have ever seen
1. You're doing your practice in a good place.
2. You saved your skin by wearing gear when you knew there'd be a bigger chance of biffing.
3. You're doing your practice in a good place.
4. Hope you had sliders on that nice Beemer.
5. You're doing your practice in a good place.
6. You are actually practicing these techniques.
7. You're doing your practice in a good place.
bro, I think you broken nr. 5
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Bad advice and encouragement to fail and crash his bike again.
Deep lean angles are meant to be at speed . The way the bike acts Is a lot different .
Why he fall? I don't understand the reason
Hope you have sliders 🍔
Only problem with car parking bays are the white lines being slippery.
No way your tires are hot enough going that slow.... Also, the bike is at such a low RPM that it's very difficult to have smooth throttle control.... Also if you start dragging hard parts, do not chop the throttle, instead just try to push the bike more upright by shifting weight onto your dragging knee till and steering the front wheel to keep the back from coming around while still pushing the bike more vertical, even if it means letting your body fall more off toward the inside....
Glad to see this and not lane splitting db crap! High sided my seca because I DIDN'T do this. Still recovering and bike is almost in savable.. GOOD JOB Stay at it!
Picked up my 2021 BMWS1000RR last week. Id drag knee on my 07 R1 but taking it easy so far on this one. She's just a baby
That's why you get a smaller less powerful, less expensive bike for parking lot practice. I mean you can do whatever you want, but if that's your one and only baby, better to keep it looking nice rather than risk damaging it.
Atleast ur smart and got that out of the way in a parking lot and not a road. Theres a parking lot near me and before a ride I normally do a couple hard breaking practices.
Looks like air bag worked . Good practice and glad to see you get back up . Bikes can be fixed
No sliders?
I have some practice videos too but not going that fast
Ive read all the comments and i think everyone is forgetting one key factor.
The reason he laid her down is because hes going over paint.
Yes also, low speed, engine breaking , and excessive lean angle.
But this is excatly what Im going to do when I get my baby.
Buy some cheap ass plastics and work my way.. Well usually up.. But in this case work my way down. But first practice stopping fast and smooth with no skid.
But anyways getting back to the vid. If there were a planter there with a outside turn that would of been better than going over the painted parking lines.
But still good he has his gear on and going slow.
Good job bro keep at it.
“Sir, how did you break your arm?” ‘Well if you watch the CCTV of your hospital, you will found out’ 😂
Pat yourself on the back.
That went down rather well and harmless.
Wearing gear it's always the way to go. 😎👍
did your airbag vest deploy ?
yes, tethered
I didn't think a S1000RR needed to be picked up like a GS. I once dropped my 748 & picked it up like a dirtbike from the handlebars (OK clips-ons).
Yep. That's the point of practicing. Better here than out on the road or the track. Keep at it bro