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DT770 80 ohm Review: • beyerdynamic DT770 Pro...
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EQ Velour Pads:
Preamp: -3 dB
200 Hz, Q 1.41, +3 dB
3500 Hz, Q 1.41, +2 dB
6000 Hz, Q 2.00, -4 dB
EQ Pleather Pads:
Preamp: -2 dB
200 Hz, Q 1.41, +2 dB
3500 Hz, Q 1.41, +2 dB
6000 Hz, Q 2.00, -2 dB
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Thank you so much! I was thinking to buy these as my second Beyerdynamic pair but after watching this I changed my mind Beyerdynamic Custom Studio is what I'm getting 🥂
I swear this is the best channel of its kind on TH-cam. Criminally undersubbed.
Thanks I love comments like these
Aggreed. Metal definitely deserves way more subs.
And he will he get them.
But seeing other channels (that they have no idea what they are talking about) with 20k or 50k subs make my eyes roll.
Boy life is unfair
That's the way of TH-cam sadly.
*Much love from beautiful Bangor, Maine where recreational marijuana is legal, home prices are still some of the lowest in the entire nation, auto insurance is the lowest in the entire nation and the scenery is absolute nirvana.*
Agree, i mean z is one of a kind, but everyone has a unique contribution to make and this is very fresh.
I love this review although it was disappointing because I’ve just heard these and I agree. I thought my hearing was off!
Somehow I was wanting to be blown away by these based on my love for BD DT770, and the better build quality.
what did you not like about them? And what are you using atm?
I find it curious how they decided to include pads that, I assume, are meant to be swapped for different scenarios, but made the change as inconvenient yet doable as possible.
Hi :)
After your rewiew of the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80, i got them.... i own a Aune T1 Tube Dac, and i cant wait until the hedphones is here, its still in the mail :) you have great rewiews...
Best regards from Norway
Rock on metal, good review.
nice review. nice to hear review from actual audiophile.
Thanks for the great review. I was planning on buying these until you got to the bass part (I also listen to a lot of edm)
Thanks for this honest review 😎
Thanks for the incredible channel! This is how headphones review need to be. I have a question: how to protect and or repair earpads peeling of the synthetic leather? Any hints?
I'm about to get this to compliment my 1990 but changed my mind after watching your review. Thanks!
Grab a DT 770 80 ohm if you want a different Beyer flavor
This is soo late, it'll probably be invisible, but just gotta say, your channel is excellent. Was really looking at these, as i really need closed-back over ears. I love edm and hip-hop, but also listen to other genres, so good, deep bass is a must, but detail is important to. What would you recommend in this price range for my music tastes?
An off topic - I cant really say why, but tone of your voice is so calm and natural, that it makes listening to it such a pleasant and relaxing experience :)
I like to think most of that is my superb Rode NT1
9:20 couldn't agree more. I love the sound of metal tracks with my 770's, but have been chasing a similarly smooth mid tone in all other competitors. Glad to hear this heads up re: the 1770!
I think one of the coolest midranges for metal would be the A900X. If you can find one used for around 100 bucks, that thing is an absolute joy to listen to metal on. That, and the X00.
would love a DT1990 review somewhere down the line. Considering upgrading from the K712. Can't seem to demo them anywhere, so your opinion is absolutely the next best thing.
Not a big fan. I used to have one up but my opinion isn't very useful because I didn't do a direct comparison to the DT880. Almost all Beyers just sound wrong because of their annoyingly sibilant treble, DT1990 included
Just bought the 770 pro 80 ohm version, couldnt be happier. Ty for the review on these 1770... Unrelated question, what is that desk mount? I have a boom arm but I want to Change my mic setup
Thanks, sticking with my 770s.
Ryan Lackey Hey just wanted to ask, they talk about sibilance in regards to beyer headphones. Is this a huge problem I don’t like harsh treble in which case should I stay clear.
@@azhar6857 if you dont like harsh treble stay away from dt770
Yeah treble is hot on just about all Beyers except COP+ and DT250/80
Azhar
They are NOT hot in the highs imho
Same.
Great to see another review from you. I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the Amiron Home!
This is the best channel for headphone reviews, we need to get the word out there guys, and I know from experience that this man is spot on..... and yes he does reply to your questions, excellent stuff
Lol very glad you guys are enjoying the content
Check out josh too.One of best
no 🙂
I really enjoy your reviews: you got me sucked in the audiophile world. And your guitar covers are cool ;)
I dont plan to use these for professional use mainly just music, gaming and movies. I could maybe settle for the Amiron Home, but seeing your review on that one makes me lean more towards this one also im a huge sucker for BASS !
thanks so much for this review! your eloquence and specific comments really help me understand! also when you can, pls compare these to the new 700 pro X!!!!
I don't review anymore but I would love to get ahold of one of those. Sounds a lot more promising as a more proper successor to the DT 770 according to Resolve on the headphone show
@@metal571 oh man, your reviews are the best! will be missed! may i ask, why dont you wanna review anymore? would like to ask you -- in the open back planar magnetic world, do you have an opinion on the Hifiman Sundara vs the much more expensive LCD X vs Verum ( i want to use for mixing music in the pop, rock (alternative) and vocal acoustic covers of bands like radiohead, coldplay......
mainly, (i) is the Sundara close enough to the LCD X and thus better value for money as it is about 3 times less the cost
(ii) Sundara vs Verum headphone
thanks!
Great review as always metal! I was wondering, have you been able to audition ZMFs new line of dynamics? And do you ever plan on reviewing any electrostats?
I heard the Eikon recently and was mostly annoyed at the aggressive upper mids. Didn't really have any other impressions, not enough time spent with them. I totally love electrostats now that I've heard a few recently, including the 007 and 009. The only problem is as usual, getting my hands on a pair to review as they are super expensive. Someday I will add some electrostats to my collection as an alternative to my 800.
Would like to hear what you think of the T5p second gen - I just got a pair second hand and quite impressed although the comfort is not so great.
After several weeks of EQing my dt1770 (leatherette pads), I ended up with next results for EDM (liquid/neurofunk, deep house/techno): tamed aggressiveness on top, rich and full on bottom and vivid upper mids. Sounds nice at high volume and fatigues less.
Preamp: -4 dB
40 Hz Gain 3 dB Q 4
280 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 3
4200 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 3
7000 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 10
8000 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 6
9000 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 10
This guy's the best that I have seen on here for headphone reviews, period! He is absolutely genuine. When he compared these to the K240 in the bass department, I swear I fell off my chair .. I had to rewind and hear him at least 3 times .. cos he is sooo right about that!! Man, for a guy who must be listening to sooo many headphones and reviewing them, he tracks them down so narrowly to one specific issue and can relate that to another pair of headphones that sound like that just in that narrow frequency ....jeez...! K240 mii sounds soo muddy in the bass that it is not even funny. Was hoping that these 1770s would be a real upgrade to the 770s but boy is this guy so honest and just tore that fallacy apart! Awesome man! You are the best!
I get extremely few comments like that so thanks for taking the time to write this
@@metal571 No worries, you are the man with the bionic ears I swear! And you have the vocab to get it across which is great too. I am in the throws of getting a good one for vocal recording more on the classical nuances side where pitch, articulation and fine riff perfections are important to the singers tracking with not so loud music .. I noticed that they get put off if there is too much bass expression generally even in the lower mids and of course they would love the boost of the higher mids and treble. I have tried AKG, Koss and Samson and vocals are getting drowned .. am told that 770 or a 7506 or a Shure 840 are good for vocals .. what would you recommend in this scenario? I can stretch it to 500 bucks, cheers.
K371 balances everything in the mids
@@metal571 Thx, will take a look at ur review of them. Cheers and all the best and keep safe.
metal571 thank you again for your review of those they are indeed spectacular. I remember you saying on Reddit that the 177X was less detailed than the K371, so I had to get a K371 to really hear for myself...I couldn’t believe it, you were absolutely right. I still like the 177X, and difference is small but you’d expect the 177X to be much better. I think I like the K371 more, which I’m still having trouble wrapping my head around because they’re half the price! Cheers
Thank you for saving us money, so many other reviewers want us buy the DT 177X now.
It's even worse than the 1770. Avoid
@@metal571 How so?
Sent it back quickly after getting a unit in for eval and potential review because it looked to me like a front-damped, low impedance version of a 1770. Front damping a driver does pull the treble down but literally veils the sound and makes detail worse because of the physical barrier in place there, and we were already starting with a worse sounding driver here from the 1770 so...
@@metal571 Ah, I see. Thank you Sir.
Thank you, thank you!
Hello my friend i heared that you said in sonarworks headphones demo..but which would you prefer for closing back headphones ? dt770 250 ohm? akg k 361? akg k 371? or any other better?
I brought the best out of these using the pleather pads and sonarworks set at 75% or so to bring in some highs. Also tube choice is big. Tubes: Any full low end tube can work well, like the svetlana winged c, rca, bendix graphite., for pre amp. I think they shine on a tube that has a bass and midrange emphasis. Try the Tung sol vt99 or vt163. I have a pair of 770s on the way to compare!
What do you think about the pleather pads on the 770's? Are they still sharp and sibilant? How much of it is reduced compared to the velour?
hey quick question what amp/dac would you recommend for these cans? also do you know if zmf alpha pads etc can be used with them thanks in advance !
Hi, I've got the Sennheiser hd 380 pro and I still love them, they are King of isolation. I also agree with your review on those. Would these 1770 be an upgrade?
Hey man nice video. I have a pair of these. I was wondering which amp you would recommend to go with the headphones as I've read many reviews on various amps online but still unsure which one's to go with. Does anyone or yourself have any opinions on which amp to go with these headphones? Thanks :)
I replaced the headband padding with the headband padding from the MMX 300 V2 and that made it the perfect headphones for me
Love the inclusion of EQ in your reviews! Mind sharing some for HD800 ; )
I will probably do a second video on the 800 now that I own one and include the EQ in there but I could also post it here if you want to try it
metal571 I'd appreciate it a lot!
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metal571 Absolutely nailed that 6k peak down, cheers!
It might be a little extreme for some people so feel free to tweak from there
I’m looking to produce a lot of minimal edm focusing heavily on the low end frequencies. Can you recommend a good pair of headphones for accuracy regardless of price
Would be exciting to see a review of dt1990. Hoping an upgrade from hd600/650
I wouldn't be so sure. I have the Amiron right now and side by side with the HD 600 there's no comparison. Way better value with the 600 and cleaner sound
Which headphone is the best for studio that writes classical music and needs good instrument separation and true soundstage?
i fucking love you metal, i fucking love you
Please make that video on EQ-ing. Where did you get the G. Freeman t-shirt? I want it! :)
Found it on amazon.
Lol yeah, amazon. And the EQ video is on the list to make
Great video
Hello, I like your videos very natural and great attitude.
I feel like I'm trapped because I'm a Beyerdinamic lover own a DT770Pro (80 ) thinking about and thinking about stepping forward. And I feel the DT 1770 would not be the right choice. Isolation is very important cause I would like to work in my own envinroment without making any noise for others in the room. Please let me know what would you suggest in a $500 price range, or just wait? :)
Thank you, Akos
+Akos Letray B&O H6 generation 2 is an interesting step up. Still has plenty of deep bass but without the sibilant highs. That's what I use in the office now.
:) Thank you for the suggestion. Do you live in Lala land? Trying to find some places where you can A/B them in real life.
Brick and mortar headphone stores are almost nonexistent. I either buy stuff I'm interested in owning myself at this point from Amazon or people are sending me their stuff. I go to local meets when they happen, which is not very frequently.
Do you expect to review DT 1990 any time soon? I have been eyeing them for a while (they look so good!), but if the review for them would go as for this one, I would be very disappointed and sad :\
+Māris Samats I don't have them yet but could request a pair. Zeos told me that they don't have the treble peaks these or the Amiron has but I'm not holding my breath concerning detail because, well, Tesla drivers.
So out of all the headphones you've tried, which ones do you use/would recommend for a lot of gaming and music listening? Mostly Rap/EDM and some rock.
I would say the HD 650 does pretty much everything well
Hello. Audiophile newbie and really glad I’ve found your channel for some guidance. I have a question. I am about to buy my first proper pair of headphones. The Beyerdynamic 770 Pro 80 Ohm. Do you have an entry level DAC that you’d recommend for under $100?
I originally bought the Fiio K3 as a Dac/Amp combo for my DT 770 Pro 80 ohm, but for $10 more, you can get the Ifi Zen Dac which offers much more power and sounds even better than the Fiio. Ever since I bought mine, I've never looked back. If you do buy the Zen Dac, upgrade to the latest firmware (5.3C).
@@joshmiller804 Thank you so much! I'm currently using the Soundblasterx G6. But I think I know what my next pit-stop in the DAC world will be. Heard too many good things about the Zen to not give it a go. Appreciate the reply :)
I have so many questions, what tests did you run to get to does conclusions? What programs did you use? What music titles? What file formats? What amp? At what volumes? Is this just your random opinion after listening back street boys on CD or there is more into it?
I've owned a pair of these since early on and have a more favorable view than you seem to have.
I would say the bass is a bit past neutral, originally I thought it was quite a lot bass (nearly overwhelming) now it sound ok to me (brain burn in?).
Back when I originally owned the DT 770 also I didn't think they was a dramatic difference. i Did think the DT 1770 was a bit cleaner sounding (The 770 Where older maybe that played in to it). Not sure the sound quality was worth the price premium, though I could say that about many expensive headphones. These are built well and look soooo much nicer and more premium.
Though I do like them, I agree they are not worth MSRP. Luckily mine where open box and I paid something like $450 - $475 for them (still quite a lot).
My HE 500 are my favorites though and I got them used for $400.
Great review! What audio interface do you use? I gues you are using compression on your voice. Is it hardware/software? Thanks
No processing at all. It's a Rode NT1 into a UMC404HD raw
@@metal571 thanks for the reply! I like the sound
@@mara.records yep that's why I use it. Very neutral response large diaphragm condenser with a super low self noise without spending an obscene amount of money. Podcastage has a good review of it
Have you listened to the focal Elear? What are your thoughts on them
+TheFijianGuy I have but unfortunately it was such a short demo that I don't have any accurate impressions sorry.
Hi, I have a ATH-M40x and a HD 58X. I'm looking for a punchy headphone with good/great bass quality. Price around 200-500 dollars. Any recommendations? Thanks! Also happy 2020!
How do you feel this compared to the Custom One Pro? Which are less fatiguing and less recessed mids?
Which is less sibilant?
Which of them are better for classical, jazz, acoustic?
great review as per usual! but please define "speed" . what does that mean in the context of headphones. thanks
The ability of a headphone to retrieve details, not only micro background details but the actual details of the sound, the ability to hear the FULL sound of an instrument as he mentioned when he talked about HD800 treble. Also it helps to sustain clarity when the track is busy and listening at higher volumes.
Instrument separation during busy tracks. Slower drivers tend to mix things together, while faster drivers sound more effortless. They don't get overwhelmed with a million sounds playing at the same time, separating them perfectly. Planars sound like that, even the cheap T50RP has that sound property to it.
What's the best closed back under $800?
How about the Focal Elegia or Final Sonorous VI
Pleather is actually the analytical pads and would decrease the bass non EQd
Hi Metal.
What headphone can you recommend for absolute bass kings?
I own 6xx, 58x and modded DT770 Pro 80, powered by an NFB11-R2R (and i love them all for different reasons), but I'm not quite satisfied in the bass-department, when I'm listening to things like Trance, R&B and Hip Hop.
Especially for Trance I would like to have Cerwin Vega 12" hardhitting kickbass :), but still fast and precise(not muddy), and still maintaining the precision and clarity in the other ranges.
I know it would have to be a compromise between the ranges, but can you recommend anything for the semi audiophile basshead? :)
Love your reviews!
Regards Dan
Let me know it you find any headphones that go good for bass Dan am looking for some also but for bass guitar improvement. Bands like FAITH NO MORE red hot chili peppers, Primus. I want the bass to be so good and loud warm(3D) clear. Let me know if you find anything. :)
When I'm listening to trance myself it's always preceded by grabbing an Audeze LCD. Not cheap, but bass that fully extends to 10 Hz or below and is highly equalizable to preference with essentially zero thd is a pretty damn awesome thing.
So in your opinion DT 1770 pro are not good for sound mixing, right? They don't have flat response, correct?
Actually, I was aprehencive about switching the pads at first. BUT, first time i did it it was a little hard but I didnt take too long to switch them. Its really not that hard to switch them.
I have a dt770 250ohm. This headphone made me sell my hifiman he4xx and my sony ma900..which is on auction on ebay right now for 295 canadian, current bid lol.
However I am glad to note that I dont need to upgrade to 1770. Does the 770 250 ohm have better bass than 1770?
The DT1770 is an interesting case. Casuals love them, audiophiles dislike them. As a producer looking for great headphones to use when producing while traveling it's very hard finding decent cans when the opinions are so varied.
LCD1
@@metal571 Yea, I got the DT 770 Pro for a good price and they are seriously good. I have been looking at the LCD1 as well. Thanks :)
It's odd that Beyerdynamic seem to have dropped the ball with these as the open back equivalent Dt1990 is excellent I think, even if it does still have the Beyerdynamic high thing happening. That said the build is superb and there is a real feel of quality to these models that makes most alternatives feel very low rent by comparison. And I always find Beyerdynamic headphones superbly comfortable. Both the 1770 and 1990 seem to have had a big price drop, for the quality and with the excellent accessories that are part of the package they are now very attractively priced I think. They do make the HD650 /660 feel cheap although many prefer the sound of the Sennheisers.
So I own the DT 770 Pro for 2.5 Years now and I am normally very happy with it but I keep asking myself if it is worth upgrade it? Is it worth it when you except the prize and only talk about the sound quality? Can anyone say their experience comparing them?
am thinking to get these 1770 pro purely because i like the design/look of it the best. havent decided yet if these or dt 770, maybe hoping someone will reply with some random comments that might help me decide.
I currently have a dying qpad qh1339 headset which i believe is a rebranded beyerdynamic mx330 or something and i think i want something that sounds somewhat similar or better to what i alredy have. I mostly just use it for gaming and edm style music plus a lot of youtube videos so a lot of talking.
im not a sound person but i want something that lasts me 5years+ and sounds good but i cant specify what good means cos idk tbh
i basicly have no idea what you mean when you talk about lows highs treble and any of those things. i couldnt tell from this review if you think these or dt770 is better
oh also if i do get some high ohm headphones that require ampdac im prob getting i think it was called schiit magni 2 and modi 2 (?)
How does the DT177x compare or is it the same?
Hello my friend . I need an advice . I want to buy dt770 pro headphones, but I saw a discount, and there is an opportunity to buy 1770. I have two questions, does the sound differ much between them? and the second question, for playing games and listening to rap hip hop jazz music, is it a good choice?
Apples to oranges maybe, but which would you recommend the 1770 pro or the 1990 pro's? Soundstaging, imiaging, HI's, Low's...ETC...I'm unable to demo them. Thank you..
1990s definitely overall better
From what I’ve read the 1990’s are unable to be balanced, true?
Why’d you have to be so peaky about the sound? 😂. //Love your channel man ❤️
sorry for another question. which would be more value for music enjoyment . if you are making a choice which one you would select among this please. and suggest a good headphone amplifier from your experience.
+SHOBIN ZACHARIAS B&O H6 gen 2 is the most enjoyable for me. Very fun headphone never fatiguing. Schiit Fulla 2 will power it perfectly. Future proofing your setup would involve the Modi 2 Uber and Magni 2 Uber. The latter is my Schiit stack I use to do these reviews.
Thank you, I appreciate your great support and valuable time.
Great review. Not sure what Beyer was thinking pricing these so high. I'll stick to my DT 880 and DT 990 which covers all the bases for different music genres.
Are they good for edm production?
hey metal,
I currently have tesla T1 v1.0 plugged into a essence stx II soundcard. I'm considering upgrading to a bottlehead crack and schiit modi II uber.
my question is, I'm a big competitive FPS gamer. will the tube amp negatively affect audio positioning accuracy?
always enjoy your content. thanks.
Honestly I'm not a huge amp guy so not sure what that would do to the soundstage. Usually tubes just add pleasing harmonic distortion.
metal571 cool, yeah I'm trying to tame some of that sharp 8k treble in the teslas by putting it through a tube amp. I haven't been able to find anything on how tubes affect positional audio for FPS.
+gg5004 I would sooner throw some EQ at it. Amps seem like a hit or miss solution that costs a lot for relatively small benefits.
I just picked up my DT1770s yesterday and, after some testing, I came to the conclusion that all positive reviews were wrong about the bass detail those cans offered and that you were actually right.
A rather muddy and "generic" bass response indeed. But, as I was getting ready to feel sorry for myself and send them back, I thought it might be a good idea to switch cables, at least to be sure the cord makes no difference in terms of sound quality (during all my tests, I used only the coiled cable).
To my complete surprise, I found that the straight cable was much, much better. The bass accuracy was greatly improved! (I listened to the same tracks, of course).
So, metal, since you never used the straight cable, could this little detail (as crazy as it might seem) have affected your assessment?
All that aside, I really enjoy your reviews (except the fact that you almost made me drop the idea of getting the 1770s ;)).
Have never been able to hear a difference between cables so no. The difference in bass and treble resolution was clear as day when I A/Bed this thing against the original DT770...
I'm not questioning your findings, just trying to understand why the DT1770 you reviewed behaved the way it did.
Did you give them time to burn in? Assuming you kept them, what do you think about them a year later?
@@rusinsr Yes, a actually kept them. After burning those cans in, I'm pretty happy with them, assuming I feed them good quality (well recorded) music - kind of obvious, right? They seem quite "in your face" at times (as many reviewers pointed out). Not necessarily harsh in an unpleasant way, but "hardcore", as Z Reviews called them. I'm using them with a DarkVoice 336SE amp.
@@laurianmoga8708 Thanks for replying! Was trying to wrap my head around how these headphones could have so many positive reviews, and then a few negative ones that seemed to directly contradict a lot of the strengths others have mentioned. I just bought some DT1990s, and it was very obvious they needed to be burned in before they would even sound good. Thinking of replacing them with DT1770s though because I do wish they had more bass and less treble.
Get your hands on the new Nighthawk Carbon!
How do these compare to the mrspeaker Aeons?
I got 1770 for $ 300 and I consider it a good upgrade of my 770 for the price
What headphone has the detail of say a DT770 with more punchy aggressive detailed bass?
I came here to find a replacement for my old DT 770 pro... but now im thinking I might just keep em until they break ( if they ever do )
Good choice lol
Thanks for the review. I own both the DT 1770 and the older 770 (250ohm version) and I really like both of them, buuuuut can you name some headphones that do what the beyerdynamic does, but better? Maybe one that does low end better.
+Green Black low end better than a DT770 250 ohm? But still maintaining the bright treble sound? Nah, only Beyer can do that
thanks for letting me know. I don't have the experience yet, only tested Beyer and some Sennheiser headphones so far, never tried hifiman or any of the sony headphones.
Could it be that they still had to be broken in for the lack of bass clarity? Anyway cool review
No, burn in generally just isn't a thing. Typically it is a combination of your brain getting used to the frequency response and pad wear
trick for switching beyerdynamics ear pads: use a hair-dryer on the new pads before putting them on
My trick was that I made a small cut on the slit using some toenail scissors. As much as these are tight to fit, once they're on they are sure as hell on.
I think with these headphones they have to "wear in" before they start to sound good. It's like a brand new engine in a car. Everything is tight. Once it loosens up a bit it seems to sound better.
My question is though regarding the pads, have you ever tried aftermarket pads? I'm extremely interested because these seem a bit much after 8hrs of use. These are sure as hell tough headphones so the build quality is 10/10. I just think that more comfortable pads might solve my headache issues with this thing clamped onto my head like a vice.
@@B15HOP I use the original replacement pads on my 880 pro and 770 pro, they are really good. In your case I'd rather try stretching the headband out a bit. But do it carefully. Put them on some books over night.
@@ciousli I got them on. I just want more padding because these are so tough. A tight vice grip on my head eventually hurts after 8hrs. If I get some aftermarket pads I'll let you know.
It''s great you got the DT1770 while Zeos has the DT1990 ( which we're all still waiting for the review.. ).
So which sound quality do you prefer DT770 ( 80ohm ) or DT1770 - not considering the price?
Great to see another review there metal571
+metring073 I just find the 1770 more listenable. It should be noted that the 770 80 ohm I reviewed was an older unit. I have a newer 770 80 ohm and it has the same treble problems the 32 and 250 ohm have so my latest thoughts are that I'd rather listen to the 1770
Thanks.
Would be nice if you'd be able to review the Amiron
If you saw the whole video you'll see I have them right now and that they're next. Next review will be a much shorter wait as I'm coming up on my review unit loan time expiration for them
Bloody hell totally missed that. My mistake, cut it at tweeter/instagram bit.
Yes Amiron is next.
Yeah sorry my reviews are on the long side but when using an actual bullet pointed document to make sure I don't miss anything it's the only way to ensure a complete description
good video, thank you sir
would you take ATHm50x or dt770?
This is the second place I've heard someone complain about the sibilant highs on the 770's. The highs on mine (80 Ohm) are so recessed I was contemplating replacing them.
If your pads have flattened over time the headphone becomes actually quite upper mid heavy, the exact opposite signature from what it sounds like brand new. Us reviewers (retired in my case) don't make this stuff up randomly - take a look at oratory1990's GRAS measurement of the DT770 and Rtings' graph on an HMS HATS. They're sibilant when new with new pads.
Not accusing anyone of making stuff up. I had heard the 770's described as sibilant from more than one source. I was wondering why mine were sounding so dull. The pads were indeed flattened. I swapped with a set of Dekoni Elite's that I had sitting around. The sound was improved quite a bit though I still wouldn't describe them as overly bright. I might order up a fresh set of stock pads. Thanks for the pro-tip, and fast too.
@@JerryShugars no accusations indeed - just pointing you to the hard data as well. Changing pads to a 3rd party brand can cause a major change in frequency response, often not what the manufacturer had in mind. New OEM pads will get you the original sound. Part number is EDT770V. It's sad that I know that off the top of my head by now... have fun
Will do. Thank you much for the part #.
great vid, looking forward on the amiron home review :)
p.s. i think amiron is open and not semi open :O
+psychedelicbastard interestingly when putting them on they do block isolate from some of the upper range just not a lot overall so my impression was semi-open even though Beyer does list them as open back.
nonetheless, I am looking forward to your review :)
Would you please do a DT1990 sometime?
Siliconspray the earpad notch a bit and it should fly on easy :D
Sir,if for the similar price of the 1770, which headphones would be more better to reproduce the original song track?
Thanks a lot !
See this is a problem because all I can really say is that the 1770 isn't better than the 770, but I don't know of any particularly good values in this price range either.
If compared with shure 1540 ,Sony MDR 7520 , pioneer DJ HRM-6 & ATH M70X?
I haven't heard any of those that's the issue here lol
What kind of headphone amp? I have a Little Labs Monotor. Any chance that will help with speed issue?
Nah the kind of grain I experienced demoing these things is not something saveable through the much smaller changes by trying different amps rather than just choosing a different headphone
Any portable amp thats a fair price for these?
If I want to get some propper headphones without a mic, what should I buy in the $250 range and for another $250 what amp/dac? $500 total I got to spend, maybe 350 cans and 150 amp/dac? Hell I don't know. I come from some low end Logitech G930s, loved the wireless and the bass but everything else was less than meh. What can you suggest to get, I like boomy bass, I would trade some audio quality for that. I play the Battlefield games, racing games and need that roar of engine and vibration of gunshots and bombs. I listen to music genres like edm, dubstep, dnb and hard techno kinda stuff, so I like the kinda swampy bass or whatever you call it in contrast to the precise one I think, I still got a lot to learn but I want to see the wonders of audio quality.
Just watched your "Massdrop x Fostex TH-X00 Ebony Review - Ultimate Listening Enjoyment" video. You make them sound like they would fit me what do you think?
+CrowleyPlays yeah those would do very well actually. Buy mahogany or an ebony. Purpleheart is less refined sounding. If you think you're gonna be buying more cans in the future, get a Modi 2 Uber and Magni 2 Uber stack. If not, just buy a Fulla 2. All of this is made by Schiit audio. Enjoy
Sorry for my late reply and thank you for yours. Now I've got a problem getting a hold of Fostex TH-X00's and Schiit's stuff. It's not available or way overpriced everywhere I look. I'm from germany and maybe you can offer me european alternatives on german amazon (amazon.de). Now heres another thought. Maybe get something from beyer, what about 770's,880's or 990's, which one of them has the boomy bass I'am looking for and what ohm version should I get, they reach anywhere from 32 to 600 ohm. Maybe a dac/amp from fiio or someone else. I don't know you can keep digging for days and wont find an answer for your needs, test hearing isn't an option because I don't wanna test amazon's nerves when it comes to returns lol, thanks in advance.
I had the opposite experience of your review. When I listened these through mojo, I swear there is that closest-to-sub woofer lower bass in these cans. I'm not a fan of impactful bass, like those explosion you hear in cinema with lots of boom, but I am more particular about lower extension and these have IT. That sub bass rumble(say 6-70hz and below all the way to 40hz) And that is the bass we should listen for. In music or any track, boomy bass is just bad and make everything muddy, where as extreme low end extension stretches your imaging, promotes the track to be holographic and the bassy instruments will "sit lower" in the mix(lower from a 3D perspective in a mix coz they have more energy and harmonics in lower spectrum.) and that helps instrument separation too. The only thing I found lacking with these phones is that obvious low mids scoop. But it is a necessity for a closed back because we tend to get more boxy sound with them and you have to take in account for that in eq. Even ether c flow has a bit of the same tendency. But it definitely helps in making it more "analytical" with reduced warmness.
What's that "mojo" you mentioned?
@@AntonioBrandao Chord Mojo
the dt 1770 or argons mk 3?
I found the 1770 sound real good, yet I get your spectrum on measuring with graphs/diaphragm ago-go. Waves are important and so the frequency detail is clean and the driver "chamber" space is plenty.
While there is room for customizing, I think the factory setting is good.
An EQ can be used with care too, generally using such cans as the 1770 grouping.... Thanks for the review!
EQ would be quite a lot more effective and more satisfying if the Tesla drivers had less grain though. But at least the tuning here is a lot less extreme in terms of treble peakiness
can I power these with a q1 mark II?
Why you didn't try to review the opened m1060c till now ?
No one sent it to me. Also very poor reputation among people I trust so not a lot of interest in prioritizing it
I wonder how many people skipped your video after you covered the bass
PLEASE do make a video on EQ'g.
Please do not. :)
I finally did that a few weeks ago
metal571 :)
Man, I'm just trying to find a pair of headphones to use when I want to feel like I'm "there". Heavy heavy bass, but natural sound without distortion.. 58x's aren't even CLOSE, so I'm hesitant. Crossfade m100s are the closest I've been, yet they still sound like blehk. Gotta find that bass high but keep my mid/high frequencies sounding spacious and accurate. Maybe I'll wait another decade
You are describing the LCD2
@@metal571 you think so? I've only learned off of others but LCD 2s from what I've assumed, just "lean" towards bass response.. with an open back I couldn't see them being a legitimate contender in the 'bass heavy without compromises' area.. I've heard 660s are good for this but I've doubted they would even compete with a compitent pair of closed back's. I guess I'm really uncertain on which lane to take in this closed vs open, bass without compromise area ; price not being a factor.
@@aliasbam2750 there's no compromise with properly designed planar bass. If you want more, you can always add a low shelf EQ. Trust me, the harmonic distortion is so vanishingly low that you can add a 10 dB bass boost to an LCD2 and it won't even break a sweat. The other option is to go with a biocel can like the X00, emu Teak, or th900mk2 with th610 pads
@@metal571 note certainly taken!! I must say then, the internet can also be a horrible place to research audio tech.. high impendance was far too important on my list, as LCD2s are only 50ohm compared to the 250ohm of 1770s.. (concept being that the higher ohms give better detail, in almost all cases) closed back's are always revered for their bass, and opens for their "image, soundstage and clarity". I love specialty headphones but damn it's not as black and white as these "audiophile" websites make it. I appreciate your response, certainly more than whatever Google or audio forums gave me. I think the LCD2s will be exciting to research and look forward to!
@@aliasbam2750 there's a whole lot of difference between reading specs and opinions and reviewers who have heard everything they're actually talking about. And yeah sensitivity and impedance definitely don't guarantee more or less detail in my experience at all and yes as you can see, that's especially not applicable across driver tech. The LCD4 is only 200 ohms but is one of the most detailed headphones maybe in history, right up there with the Utopia and Susvara.
Your glasses arent destroying pads? I have that problem and i dont use glasses with headphones. :(
Haven't had that issue actually