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Mazel Chipper review- Is this better than the PING CHIPR?
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My friends stopped laughing at me after seeing how I played with the chipr. Love the content
I've been an amateur clubmaker for at least 20 years now and I've always tinkered and tried various concepts out of curiosity. The golf buddies always give me a hard time. It's never bothered me, however, considering I beat them about 90% of the time it does put a smile on my face
I have the Chipr and LOVE it. one putting for the first time ever since I can get it so close when just off the green. But I think Ping would argue that long range chips is not what the club was designed for. I'd still opt for my vokey for flighting a 20 yard shot, but the Chipr comes out whenever I'm on or near the fringe. even now, in times I would putt on the fringe, I go to the Chipr now! excellent club and works exactly as advertised
exactly my thoughts. Perfect just off the green. My first practice session I was holing 20% of chips . Sadly can’t replicate that just yet on the course but it’s got massive potential
I've been using the Cleveland chipper all year for almost all of my shots around the green and I love it! I also use it for some punch approach shots and find it is extremely accurate. I'd be interested to see you compare the Cleveland and ping chippers side-by-side because they are very similar. I believe the Cleveland is lighter which may address your concern with the ping chipper being too lively. Thank you again for another great video
Had the Cleveland smart chipper in the bag for a couple of months, had a lip out for a hole in one from 126 yards last week, that would have been an awesome story to be able to tell. Hole in one with a chipper (5 HCP golfer as ref)
Great review of a club that would help a whole lot of average (and below) golfers. Many (perhaps most) casual golfers struggle to break 100 consistently. Aside from putting, a more consistent chipping game would put them in the 90s far more often and increase their enjoyment of the game. It's time for golf to get over itself when it comes to chippers. We seem to have no problem with all kinds of drivers and crazy a$$ looking putters, but bring out a chipper and , oh my gosh... you're actually gonna use that! Ha!!
Hi Andy enjoyed your video👍& the one with James with the Ping ChipR, Bought one with a graphite shaft (steel shaft’s sold out), I have a very good short game & rely on it to play to my handicap, However can’t judge pitch & run shots, Now with the ChipR after practicing around the green it’s so much easier to chip it close👌, with the upright lie & shorter shaft & more weight in the head, it’s just so simple to address the ball, everything looks correct leaving you to concentrate on chipping it close😃, The Big plus is it’s a Brilliant club from 100yds,(as James showed) in the previous Video, I think 🤔 this is where the graphite shaft helped me, I got 2deg added to the loft to help me judge the run up’s better👍, Thanks Andy, Dickey 9hcp 75year Senior Golfer
I've had the Mazel 55 degree chipper in my bag for over a year now and its fantastic for me within 50 yards of target.
I know you have a video testing the Cleveland Smart Sole4 Chipper. It would be interesting comparing to the Ping ChipR.
Best club I have bought this year. It is almost impossible to miss hit. So forgiving and well balanced. It has saved me shots anywhere that height is not an absolute requirement, and can be used anywhere from 90 yards and in.
I have to agree with you Nick
A very limited test of the Mazel. There's a video by an American pro (Mr Short Game) where he tests the 45* Mazel and compares with his PW. Like yourself he tested it from various scenarios around the green. However, unlike every other video I've seen on the Mazel, he took the testing to a much higher level. He tested to see if it was a viable option for long bunker shots (not fairway bunkers or short sided bunkers) with a square face & he also opened the face a bit. Very positive results. He tested from the rough over bunkers, successful but ball rolled out considerably. He tested flop shots with an open face, about 50% success rate and if execution of the flop shot is wrong either blading or chunking will occur. He then tested from 120 yards and compared with his PW and again positive results. In fact he stated at the end of the video he would replace his PW with the Mazel 45* chipper.
I have played the Smart Sole 2.0C since it came out back in the day. Great club from a variety of lies and situations and I loved using and playing that club
When I first saw the Ping ChipR - really loved how it looks like an iron and wanted to get one to try. Have been playing for a few weeks and I am loving as much as the Smart Sole 2.0C. The Ping does everything the Smart Sole 2.0c does and also looks really good in the bag.
Both are great and really can’t go wrong with either.
For a few months now have been using a mizuno ex demo mp58 6 iron bought for £10. Bent the lie upright to near a putter and added loft which also gives more bounce. Cut it down to putter length and regripped, was a good little project and works great for chipping but also for punching between and below trees which my local course has a lot of.
My biggest issue has been GIR. Since getting the Ping ChipR, it's taken off about 6 shots off my score on average. I highly recommend this to all mid to high handicappers. If you can get over the snobbery and drop the ego, it will definitely help you enjoy the game more.
Started playing golf June 2021 at the age of 55. Lots of beginner frustrations obviously but by far chipping around the green was killing me. Bought a ping chipper partly after watching yours and other reviews. Overall I have to say that this club has changed my game around the green. Now this could be that I’m a novice and not able to get the best out of the wedges etc but it has made my game less frustrating and more enjoyable👍 Really enjoy your videos keep them coming.
Here are a few of my thoughts. Mazel I'm pretty sure was a knock off of Square Strike....both are decent quality. If you really want to go slumming and try something that actually looks and feels good with the same concept as these clubs is the Inazone Hyedge. I got mine from Diamond Tour Golf in the US. $15 for the head.
Here are my thoughts. I really, really liked it with full shots and also liked it with chipping around the green. They also come in 3 lofts.
Downsides...
For chipping it has a 310 gram head, but for me Heavy putters and chippers work better. 310 is still heavier than most wedges, but lots of chippers are 330-340 range, and I think that makes a difference. It's got a cavity in the back that you can easily add weight to, but if you're the type that cares about what your golf buddies say, you may want to go ahead and spend from 4-10 times more.
The other thing is that at least for full shots which I got to some ridiculously good grooves with, because the club is more upright like a putter, at times going back and forth between this club and a regular full wedge or other full swing scoring club, I tended to hit more suboptimal shots. Not always, but sometimes.
In summary, even though I loved full swing results, for me, probably best to add head weight and use around the green.
Hope this helps.
I like your reviews on chippers. I have a Cleveland smart sole chipper at 42 degrees and an Adam's at 37 degrees. Love them both.
I had my Chipr for 2 weeks . Really like it, use it close , out of junk and sand with no lip . Even tried off tee on 145yd. Par 3 and goes farther than my 9 iron . Just need more work on distance control especially on shorter chips. A work in progress .
Thanks for vid!!!!
It is wonderful seeing the sheep or goat trimming the grass at the golf course. The hardest shot is off hardpan where there may be no grass or alomost no grass. Chipping off a fluffy grass lie is pretty easy.
I have an ez roll chipper (bought recently )works well around the green, checks up nicely and I've used a chipper back in the 90's with same results @ well below the price ping is wanting
I have the mazel chipper in 45° and it rocks up to about 30 yards. You can full swing it from 100 yards and it’s still fairly accurate, but I’d rather use my gap wedge.
I’ve used both the 45 & 55 degree Square Strikes. Works great for me. I use the 45 also as a gap wedge & the 55 in the sand. All this besides just chipping.🤔👍
Good call out Andy on the loft. I game the Cleveland Smart Sole 4 which is 42*. When the ChipR came out I had to try it. But found it came off too low and hot for me. Preferred the Cleveland and sold the ping. If ping had a higher loft option I’d bag it. Especially as I game g425 irons
I used to use a odyssey tank chipper, but now that I'm using XL halo irons, it's no longer required. You can use most of the xl halo irons as chippers because of the big soles.
Thanks for this comment Jack. I was considering buying a 55 deg Mazel but I too use the Halo Xl irons and after reading your comment I can only agree it won’t be necessary to add another club to my bag. By the way I shot my lowest score ever on my last round simply because I used my entire set of Halos (4-DW). Enjoy 😉 your golf ⛳️
@@Ariacaraleia yeah definitely don't bother mate, pretty much any of those irons could be used as a chipper, I often use the 7 for greenside chips.
Ive got rid of several clubs since getting the Halos, super reliable. No need for woods, hybrids or the chipper anymore so they are all gone.
Now I'm just using a g425max driver, the xl halo irons, cleveland CBX2 wedges and the putter.
Most tee shots I use the 4, 5 or 6 iron.
The driver only comes out about 3 times a round, even though it goes straight, because it goes long it can still land me in trouble, but the irons will land exactly where I want them.
Had mine for two weeks. Love it love it love it. It’s so easy to hit pure but looks like an iron. It has simplified my chipping I used to try and use an 8 iron, gap wedge, 54 and 60. Now I get to a chip and I say can I use the chipr or do I need loft? If it’s loft I go to my 60. Only two clubs. I then use my 60 the way Pete Cowen teaches upright like the chipr heel off the ground and use natural forces like a putting stroke. It’s simplified my short game which is making me get closer to the hole. Highly recommend this club to anyone. Oh and I’m a 5 handicap!
Great to have your feedback Kevin
I have had the ChipR for a few weeks. It's like black magic. Truly amazing and very easy to play.
I have the Ping chipr, only for bump and runs around the green but absolutely love it, would never use my chipr at those longer distances
I have a 49 degree cleveland niblick for chipping. The loft is a happy medium between a 37 degree chipper and a 56 degree sand wedge. The grooves on the niblick also put some bite on the ball.
I’ve been playing about 8 months, a mid 20 handicap, and I have both of these in my bag lol.
Mazel 55 to get me over bunkers or if I need that additional height (i took out my 56 degree wedge for the extra space, relying more on my 60 from bunkers etc), and the Ping Chipr for more chip and run and when I need a lower trajectory.
Both have their place and for now with my ability will be in my bag for a long time to come.
I have an Odyssey chipper. My coach wants to snap it. But I just tell him, 1. You can try, I will win 😂 2. Isn’t the object to get as close to the hole as possible. Chipper does that for me.
I do also use a 9 iron in deeper rough or my 58 if I need loft. Really interesting to see how different the ping is from my current club. Especially as the ping looks like an iron and mine looks like a putter.
It would be good to add the Calloway C4 Chipper in the comparison. MikeE
Very honest assessment. I ordered one last week and based on your reviews so far I’m glad I did even though I’ve not used it yet
Can you do a comparison of the ping chipr vs Cleveland smart sole 4 chipper?
Speaking of Mazel, I really enjoyed my Mazel putter before I got my Odyssey Versa. A very underrated brand imo. Very budget friendly, while also feeling not entirely 'cheap'
Interesting, I had the Cleveland smart sole chipper and absolutely loved it. I then bought the Cleveland Smart Sole gap and sand wedge, I used the G as a normal club but could not get on with the sand wedge at all, for exactly the same reason as you stated. Maybe you could review the 3 Smart Sole Clubs?
yep a chipper will help. I am old school, wedges and irons for me. It takes practice, practice, practice. However, a chipper would be good for those that cannot practice as much. I spend hours around the green with all my clubs so I know what they do and how I need to setup and strike them. Thanks Andy!
Really spot on Mark, you are doing it right but these are a good ‘cheat’
Try the Cleveland Smart Sole C (for chipper; they also have G for gap wedge and S for sand wedge) and the Square Strike (which is arguably quite similar to the Mazel), Andy. I have the Smart Sole C and am learning to really like it, especially on my course, which has a lot of bare lies. The wide sole just glides right through them, doesn't get stuck like a wedge might, and delivers good contact every time. You are spot on that you need to practice with it, because the face is a bit hot.
I enjoy your videos, good knowledgable content and very entertaining. As for a chipper, I say learn the correct method, hold the club upright more, using all your clubs that are already in the bag. If it is a shot that requires an 8 iron loft to get on the green and then roll out to the pin, use an 8 iron. otherwise you would need many more chippers with different lofts. The chipper works great for the one shot loft that is required but no so good for the other shots required. One question I have for you maybe its because I am a new member but when you talking about clubs can you please explain what shafts you are using, I would really like to know complete details, like flex, type, ect. and why? Are you all stift shafts ? or different shafts depending on the club? Thanks,
Loving the ping. Now I’m trying to figure out whether I should upgrade from old PXG Forged to new.
No one ever mentions that the Mazel is just the Square Strike wedge with a different name. Don't know why. I found maybe 2 places online where someone mentions is and they are both forums.
Prefer to use a wedge for "higher" chips and a high-loft hybrid for "lower" bump & runs around greens - chippers take up one slot in the bag but only have limited use in my opinion.
My approach wedge was my typical go to for the 100 to 110 yard shot in practice, yet I always manage to fly it over the green in rounds lol. So I took that club out to replace with the Chipr and worked on adding a little heat to my 54 degree wedge to compensate. IMHO, if a club is coming out the bag, I would have to say take out a wedge instead of a wood or long iron for sure since there's more versatility with wedge shots. Just my two cents 🙂
I have a TopFlite Gamer Chipper and a Powerbilt TPS Chipper and various other chippers from very far back in the day. I have used one since my Dad started teaching me to play when I was 10 years old, that is some 45 years ago. Very similar to the square strike chipper.
The Cleveland has a hotter face but has a lot wider sole which is nice for thick rough. I also like that with the wide sole I can swing down with impunity and not worry about hitting it fat. I was under a limb the other day and needed to go over a large bunker and was able to put the Cleveland in the back of my stance and “punch” it and it came out low and straight but when it hit the green it checked.
I think any of these clubs will be fine if you get used to the flight and speed it gives you.
Good vid, thanks. As you state, it will be interesting to see if Ping expands into a line of Chiprs with different lofts. On another note, you mentioned that the ball comes off the club pretty hot. I can't be sure what you were relating it to, but let me assume you meant that it comes off hotter than a chip off a regular iron (that's lighter). One of the things I appreciate about my SS chipper (that I would assume applies to the Ping Chipr) is that, between the higher swing weight and lie angle, it has a feel that's pretty close to my putter (and different from my short irons/wedges). I really appreciate that...I'm hitting my putter on pretty much every single hole during a round, so the feel/touch I need for chipper shots is always fresh in my mind.
I use the Mazel in 55 and I hit it like a traditional wedge and it’s awesome I swapped out my smart sole 4 chipper
I have the Mazel 35 and 45 for close and long run out pitches. its brilliant!
I use the Odyssey X-act chipper and the 58 and 64 SureOut wedges. My home course has soft and wet conditions and gives me an advantage to play my best golf.
I’ve got the Odyssey but cannot get used to it. It’s ok if the ball is sat up but from other lies I’m prone to hitting it thin. The face often opens on impact, pushing the ball right. Thinking of trying the Ping after watching this vlog.
Excellent video as usual Andy 👍 I have a ChipR and it’s great ✊ but I also carry my wedges 50 54 58 it’s at the top end I took my five wood put to get the ping in 🙌
And are you missing it?
@@TheAverageGolfer no mate not at mo as four iron going well 🙏😬
I play all hybrids clubs for irons 3 -9. I prefer to chip with my 6 hybrid 28 degrees or my 9 hybrid 38 degrees. I have used Cleveland Niblick (same as their C wedge) 42 degrees. Sincerely, the hybrids are just as good if not better and I use them for other shots in my round.
The best chipper out there is the Cleveland Smart Sole C - but the sad thing is too many golfers think they chip well when they would still benefit from having a chipper.
I have all 4 Mazels and 2 Square Strikes. No difference between the two brands but I recommend any of them. If for no other reasons, junk shot saver or new golfer wedge training. They are less expensive for those reasons at least for newbies. They’re fun to have and pass around with friends because they usually haven’t seen or believe, until they try it. And with any club, needs some practice, cheers!
Nice... I have the Mazel 45, 55 & 60. My short game is pretty good. You think it would be worth picking up the 35 degree? I feel like that would be a good amount of run out compared to the 45
@@mptemplin I bought a 3pk on Amazon so I’d say you can’t go wrong. I don’t care what the world thinks. If it helps my game I’m in it so yes it’s worth having all to me boss👍🏼👍🏼
I bought a 3 loft set for around $100. But I decided on carrying only the 45*. Seemed the most versatile for the courses I usually play.
I also like the bigger sole of the Mazel style.
Yes get good with one loft is my thought
I think the chip r could be great for getting out the trees and back into play as well as around the greens
Yes another bonus!
I bought the Ping ChipR when it was first released. I wanted to love it but it was a bit too heavy and I had distance control issues despite holing one during a round. I thought I needed a bit more loft to shorten the rollout distances. Traded the Ping in for a Cleveland Smart Sole C wedge…their chipper. I love it!!! I like the wider sole, the added loft, the shorter length and overall swing weight. It’s becoming my favorite club even though I mostly use it for around the green shots. If I need to pitch something high I’m pretty adept at using my 56* wedge. The ChipR looks like an iron and the Chipper looks like a wedge. Btw, I use Cleveland CBX Zipcore 44, 50 and 56 wedges. Love them!!!
Ping ChipR has weighting that promotes great contact and feedback. The design reassures you a well-struck will go straight. As reviewed, practice will calibrate your distances. Super club.
Why does a chipper / putter like Yuma work compared to a Gap or Lob wedge?
Just ordered one (2⁰ upright and 1/2" longer). Not expected until the end of Oct. But really looking forward to it.
Wow a long wait Robin
Not for me, I just cannot get me head around the idea of a 55 degree chipper - but I grew up playing on links courses so got very used to trying chip and run shots with a variety of irons so still comfortable with that.
Ordered one because of your previous videos honestly :) (ChipR)
And I looooove mine
Always been a bump-and-run player, so it just suits my eye and game very well :)
Thank God or I get the blame!
I use the original Ping Chipo. It is almost magic. I chip, punch, and swing it from 120 yards.
I would just like to see a Chippr Hi with a loft somewhere between 48-52. I tend to chip with GW or PW due to fast greens.
Yes I would agree
The popularity is immense because every TH-cam golfer is reviewing it or making videos about it weekly.
its the same as using an 8 iron... it is still the shape of a iron... you still need to be able to chip well to use it... it is not as forgiving or as easy to use as the oddysey chipper...
Newer golfer here, looking at the ping chipr, which other wedges should i have in the bag? Thanks for any input people
So what club or clubs would you take out of your bag to accommodate one of these? As an alternative, why not just work harder on pitching and chipping with your irons, from 7 through the wedges? Saves money, too.
Driver, 3 wood, 4 hybrid, 4,5,6,7,8,9,P,S,L and putter - rook for a chipper
I bought this of amazon Pinemeadow Golf Excel EGI Chipper cost over £50 and I ended up sending it back found I could not use it gets rav reviews but no good to me love to see what you think of it ?
Most comments very supportive . . . but is it in your bag?
Here's my issue, I've had the ChipR now for 2 weeks and have been out to the range multiple times and played 2 rounds with it. I can't chip with it, not like I can a wedge. I'm really on using it to pitch. At this point I'm thinking about trading it in. Really frustrated.
What a shame Brian, it is very one dimensional, I do agree they need more loft if you want to play in that way
Love mine I hit with full shots from 130 yards!!!
That id like to see!
Is the mazel just a rebounded square strike? Black instead of green?
So what’s the advantage of not using a 56 degree club instead ?.
Try cutting down a 46 or 48 degree wedge. Maybe a bit more versatile.
Would love to see you compare a 5 iron and this chipr. See if results are the same or not. Thank you
Loft on the Chipper is same as a 9 iron
@@TheAverageGolfer interesting. I would have thought lower loft than a 9 iron for long pitches. Big decision in adding this club due to what club you take out of your bag. ?
Okay Andy, how about throwing the Cleveland Wide Sole chipper in to the mix. Us older average golfers need you to do the compares for us so we don't go waisting our pension money.
What is you thought regarding the Cleveland Solo C 4.0?
Golf is NOT a Winner's Game - it is a Loser's Game - i.e. it's all about the asymmetry of your bad holes/shots and not about your good shots; that is, it's so much easier to Double Boggy than to get an Eagle. The ChipR is about eliminating the Double Boggy on your scorecard and converting it into a Boggy or potentially an up&down for Par. That is why, for everyone not on Tour, this type of club is almost a no-brainer.
Chipper clubs confuse me.. always been interested in them for around the greens but 70yrds out why not just hit your 60deg and fly it to the flag? Seems more risky to try and bump and run it from out there?
First of all, these things are really more designed for inside 50 yards. From 70, where it's basically a full but soft 60 degree shot (for me anyway), that's what I'd hit. But from 40ish, basically the chipper eliminates the possibility of thinning it over the back or fatting it short, and eliminates most of the risk of going off line from opening the club face. You just have to worry about weight, and as long as it gets to the hole it will be rolling and have at least a chance to go in. The course shown in the video looks very links-y with a very undulating fairway, so the use case is far more questionable there, but in North America that's obviously relatively uncommon.
It's worth noting that at exactly no point in the video does he hit the thing the way it's designed to be hit. Every shot is full of wrist action. You CAN use it that way, especially when you're far out, but a putting stroke is how it's supposed to be used.
Can you use a chipper in high grass next to the green?
More difficult due to lack of loft
That Mazel just looks like a Square Strike knock-off. The whole idea of the Ping ChipR is to remove some of the negative stigma of a chipper because it's high quality and from a premier club maker. Defaulting to the Mazel just brings us right back to the old chipper stigma. Just sayin'.
Yeah you have a valid point Tom
I never understood the stigma attached to chippers. Look at how clubs have evolved over the years. Don't remember complaints about perimeter weighted irons, 460 titanium drivers or hybrids, all of which are now common.
If I had one of these, I would only use it 10 to 15 yards out. where a bad wedge could worm burn 60 yards too far!
Great video. I’ve had a chipper in the past but it was so clunky & although it definitely helped, I wanted to develop my game without it. Now I mainly chip with my 9i and become good at it. That being said, this Ping Chipr is on my radar as it looks great and is built for around the green bump n runs. I think most of us would benefit from this.
Certainly reduces errors
'd love to play a course where sheep are grazing--it would be so relaxing.
I can’t chip to save my life from any short distance that’s why I have purchased the PING ChipR for that exact reason alone.
Next year Ping adjustable chipper
i just love it that there are live sheep laying around the green and large amounts of caca all over the course....
Sorry but a chipper is supposed to be "chip and run" club. So a loft at around 40 to 45 degrees should be sufficient. You don't need a 55° club for this purpose. You don't need to send the ball up in the air for chipping around the green!
The only benefit I can see is for reliably popping the ball over greenside bunkers. You can't use a 40-45 degree chipper for that unless you have a lot of green to work with on the other side.
That Mazel chipper looks just like a Square Strike knockoff. Those were ultra forgiving
I wonder of the ChipR can be bent 2 degrees weaker.
Yes it can. I have had mine bent to 3 degrees flat (same as my irons). Works perfectly 👍
@@keithwaterson2355 I have a blue dot on order with 1" long, wouldn't mind if it was 40-41deg.
Please tell me the chipr is in the bag now.
Ordered mine for release date but still not got it yet
Yep its in there!
@@TheAverageGolfer if you could carry just 2 which would you choose? ChipR, Mazel 45, Mazel 55 & Mazel 60
You are comparing two completely different clubs. The Mazel is designed for higher flight than the Ping. If you need a 55° chipper, use your Gap wedge. The Ping is NOT designed to clear greeenside obstacles.
The comment makes little sense and contradicts, if you need a 38.5* chipper use a 9 iron? 🤷♂️
@@TheAverageGolfer no, it makes perfect sense. You are comparing two different clubs. It’s like saying a sand wedge and 7 iron are different. Really? We know that and you don’t use them for the same thing. The Ping is an excellent club for shortish green side chips without obstacles. The higher lofted Mazel is obviously gonna be better for more lofted shots and clearing obstacles. Maybe you should have compared the Ping ChipR with the Mazel 36°. That would make more sense. Surely?
At 9.50 is that a Welsh lawn mower😂
Which club did you take out to put the chipper in?
54 wedge
Not even close ! Tried one nah Ping is The Club folks
Not for me thanks Andy, though interesting. Have always enjoyed the challenge of improvising for "feel" shots around the green. I bet a lesson with a pro could provide a sound basis for chipping without buying another bat. Cheaper too!
As far as I know there is no left hand version, to bad... Ping has 7 and 9 woods as left handed but no left handed chipper come on guys...
Sure it will happen
i have a LH , made with the graphite shafts to match my G425s for stealth use ..
ordered Thursday & in shop by Tuesday ( standard set up )
Sheffield Pro Golf have two LH in their putting test area at mo
@@jimferg5513 Thank you
I wonder when we'll see a pro with a chipper ?!
have you seen the movie "LAMB" you mite not want any more sheep near you
It’s called a chipper, not a wedge.
It's pronounced "Mahh-zahl" It is the Hebrew word for LUCK. Not "Maayzell" The vowels come out soft.
Your pitching not chipping
Why do they call it a chipper and not a pitcher? 🤷♂️
@@TheAverageGolfer I would say , and I'm no expert on this but chipping is an action based upon and within the confines of a putting stroke, soon as you go outside of those parameters your pitching - open to interpretation of course but if those parameters hold true, pitching wasnt really what ping intended with the CHIPR , I hope to try one as I consider myself a good pitcher of the ball so sometimes use that stroke when I should chip.....any chance I can borrow -I'm in Shropshire?
Great chipper, not a great pitcher.