U-DRAG RACE: Porsche 911 Turbo S vs. Kawasaki Ninja H2 R Sport Bike | Quarter Mile, Handling, More!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- Welcome back to Edmunds U-Drags, our series of down-and-back drag races that incorporate a standing quarter mile, handling, and a rolling start all in one race! You asked, and we listened: In this episode, we finally get our hands on a glorious Porsche 911 Turbo S. But what could possibly outrun the 911’s insane acceleration? Meet the uber-fast Kawasaki Ninja H2 R sport bike.
Intro 00:00
00:27 The Numbers
01:18 Race 1 Prep
02:48 Race 1
05:25 Race 2 Prep
06:46 Race 2
10:00 Best Numbers Recap
10:35 U-Drags Leaderboard
10:51 Edmunds' Take
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Do you think the Kawasaki Ninja H2 R is the best bike for U-Drags? If not, let us know why and which bike you think would reign supreme in our U-Drags format.
The H2R is just too powerful for the U-Drags set-up. You’d probably be better off trying a ‘traditional’ Superbike, maybe a BMW 1000r, Kawasaki ZX10, Honda Fireblade or Yamaha R1. However, the Turbo S is an absolute weapon! There’s not a ICE bike in production that can get close in the 0-100 k/ph compared to the Porsche. Great content again.😁👍🏼🇬🇧🇺🇸
Maybe hire a rider who knows how to take a corner and brake.
@@oh-no they should bring on Chris Northover from Bike World.
Chris Moore is probably one of the best drag racers in the world, but even he admitted in this video that he's not very good at braking/cornering.
the h2r is simly not for u-drag
Let’s bring one of Ducati’s fastest bikes out and see what it can do with the Porsche. V4R, V4S, etc.
Chris can launch like nobody's business but really gotta work on his turns. He looks like he's half-heartedly looking for a parking spot getting turned around.
All he knows is stretched bikes hence the reason he couldn’t launch this bike for sh!t. Drag racers are straight line racers who use all gas, no brakes, and no turns. Worst pick ever for this challenge.
No lean angle at all, and he stays on the centerline of the bike during the turn. Wrong on so many levels.
He's pretty much still straight up through the turns. This is sad.
So does the dude driving the 992. Don't tell me you can't uturn faster than that and brake better than that.
@billnorblat4047 not even close to the same. Any drooling fool can run a car to a competitive time, but it takes a lot more to get the bike around. The guy on the bike doesn't even hang off or achieve anything resembling a lean angle. It's not even close to comparable.
Don't get me wrong, Chris Moore can drag race and tune with the best of them, and I have the utmost respect for him...but, I feel like this race is way better suited for someone that knows proper body positioning for turning, and setting up to brake until the apex like we do on the track. All of these new bikes are fast straight line. He barely moved. Most of us would have our ass off the seat, and forearm touching across the tank... He lost on the brakes and turn, big time. Like I said, in a straight up drag race...he's the man, though! Just my $.02...not that it's worth anything...
The guy in the car is not Ayrton Senna either, there is room for improvement in the car also.
@@benchmark3332I think that's part of the point of the video. It illustrates that pretty much any schmuck with functioning hands and one foot can get a fast time out of that Porsche. I'm not not saying that driver is incompetent or anything, just illustrating my point. And of course, you are correct as well. A professional driver would get a better time.
The H2R on the other hand will literally kill you if you try to launch it like that without knowing exactly what you're doing.
H2 r is not really a great bike its overrated, all it can ever do is straight line and that's it. Kawasaki calls it a track bike but everyone who rode it wont choose it over other light less hp bikes.
@@MonicaHolly143it's an engineering achievement, I'm happy it exists. Not everything needs to be amazing at everything
@@MonicaHolly143 Kawasaki doesn't *actually* consider it a track bike. They just market it that way because they wouldn't legally be able to sell it as a road bike, primarily due to emissions. As someone else commented, it's an engineering benchmark, and a damn cool one at that.
Find someone who can turn a bike; he's pulling the clutch in around the corner. The 911 would still be way faster in the corner, but c'mon might as well walk the bike around the cone at that point.
I agree they should hold tryouts with both riders on the same bike that would cool to watch how slow Chris actually is. Those turns look like new rider turns...
100% man, I race lightweight superbikes sometimes and he far over-slows and doesn't turn the bike like he should at all.
I agree. i noticed he never downshifted. drop it to 1st or 2nd, try and keep those rpm above 7k !!?? that dude was in 3rd gear at turn around
You have to launch it though… nobody is launching an h2r like Chris Moore. He’s one of the best drag bike riders in the world.
PLEASE, get someone who corners the bike as hard as it can go. This rider is cornering slower than I do on public roads. The Ninja could have so much more speed out of that corner.
Agreed. I’m just a street rider and easily would take that car with that bike in this test. Really misrepresenting the motorcycle.
@@n300zx931 nah, the car can certainly corner better than the bike, but the race could have been much closer.
@@VroomNDoom2602 I can assume your either don’t ride a motorcycle or don’t ride one well from what you just said
@@n300zx931 Very simply put,
The maximum G's a Ninja H2 can achieve in a turn is less than 1 without major modification. At a 45 degree lean angle, you have exactly 1 lateral G. If you lean further with that bike, it scrapes on the ground cuz it thicc.
The Porsche can probably get close to 1.2 G's in the corner and do so without much difficulty to the driver. This does assume track tires so probably more like 1.1G's with the tires used in this video.
In this video, you see the rider is probably only leaning a maximum of 32ish degrees and without body position.
There is one advantage that bikes have in cornering. Since they are only a tire wide on the pavement, the track is wider to them and can take a wider turn.
Fun fact, a Civic type R can turn better than that bike.
@@VroomNDoom2602 G force only matters in steady state cornering. Yaw rate is what counts for this kind of test.
Thats why the big power race bikes take different lines - they have enough power to sacrifice corner speed in favour of faster yaw (turn rate) so tend to brake more in a straight line then turn later and harder which effectively straightens their exit line and allows them to use more power sooner.
Chris doesn't understand this - or at best if he does he isn't capable of making use of it.
That 911 is insanity
still can't believe this isn't the default benchmark for vehicles. it's just so much better than standard drag races.
Its great but has one flaw - its consistency relies on the driver.
You can have the same driver on a bad day and get pretty big swings in results - even if they don't get on with the vehicle it can make a massive difference.
What an exciting race! But the U-Drag is the perfect game for the 992 Turbo S! It was even faster than the C8 Z06!
yes, but the 911 would be expected to be faster.
@@bugpumperWell, not just a 911, but the Turbo S...big difference.
@williamthornton5856 yes, agreed!
@@bugpumper It’s not a surprise, but I wouldn’t rule out the C8 Z06 so fast because it’s more powerful than the 992 Turbo S and it can brake and turn really hard. In fact, only on the acceleration parts the Porsche was expected to be the undisputed winner.
@@MarMPB I agree also!
Shows how traction can beat a stupid low weight to power figure; but the way that H2R goes when it hooks up though is MENTAL; 173mph over the line is crazy, especially from a slower cornering exit speed.
Unprepped airstrip and a tight turn around... I knew before it started that the H2R had to be way ahead to have a chance on the way back. You cant really lean over hard on that surface without skidding out. This is more of a testimate to how good the 911 turbo s is vs the H2R... both are pretty incredible.
Watching that guy on the bike doing the u-turn was painful to watch. You really need to hire someone that knows what they're doing.
Agreed
Damn that Porsche is fast it even destroyed the c8z
Its awd.
You should consider getting someone that actually knows how to take a corner on a bike for this kind of tests.
Man I wish more car channels knew that the 911 drag races the best when it’s in Sport mode, with the Sport Response button pressed, instead of Sport Plus. In Sport Plus, the wing and the splitter deploy and create drag.
Yeah I have seen it do a like 10.1 quarter mile
@@RebaoneSenne and that’s with Sport Plus, like on Carwow. They always use Sport Plus
@@Moakmeister doesn't matter it still ran 10.2 @135 mph which is best time
HP doesn't matter if you can't put it down
Even in sport mod Turbo S was as fast as sport+
Im surprised but I knew only a Porsche could do it
Didn't the NSX win last time?
@@PerplexedPhoton lmao doubt it
Seeing chris took the turn so slow makes me jump lmao. I started riding when i was 14. And i can take turn like that in 50mph. Chris was probably at 10mph taking those U turn
Both are amazing machines! That H2R sounds incredible as it blazes down the track ♥🌟💆♂
U drag is literally the best drag race on TH-cam!
Idk I think ‘officially gassed’ is a bit better
The race could've been so much better.
Talk about sand bagging the turn
Thanks guys. The car I've wanted to see for a long time.
Simply, better traction, better brakes better cornering grip when it comes to total performance power to weight is only a fraction of the equation
You need to do more U-drags! This format is unique on all the most viewed car testing channels!
We need a Chris Moore video on a track with the same bike as a moto gp rider to see how he compares lol. I’m pretty sure those moto gp guys are giving a decent amount of throttle mid turn. Seen lots of videos of them doing a wheely mid turn which is the only reason I think that
Yeah Bro... holding the clutch in on the corners in a drag race, seems to me to be a sure-fire way to guarantee you lose... lol.
No disrespect to my man Chris but he’s a drag racer. You need to find a qualified road racer that knows how to brake and turn.
What a race! 🔥 The H2R's raw power is undeniable, but it's clear that traction and technique are key. Chris Moore's drag racing skills are top-notch, but his cornering seemed to hold back the bike's potential. Imagine the outcome if he'd mastered those turns! Also, can we talk about how impressive that Porsche's cornering was? It's not just about straight-line speed; it's the finesse in the turns that can make or break a race. This just goes to show, it's not always the fastest machine that wins, but the best combination of speed, skill, and strategy. What do you guys think? Could a different rider have unleashed more of the H2R's beastly potential in those crucial corners? 🏍
I love the U-Drags series and it's great to see Chris' drag racing skills on display, but you have to do something about the u-turn section. Chris is coasting through the corner with the clutch in. He's not anywhere near the limits of the bike or the tires for that portion of the race. It makes the comparison meaningless.
One of the most exciting contents on TH-cam car videos
Wearing a Saturn hat behind the wheel of a Posche is some next level stuff that I could have only dreamed of doing.
Thumbs up for the Saturn hat. Hahaha
🙌🏼
Before you bring that beast to a drag race, I suggest the rider to fully attach swing arms to it’s bike and then see its performance man! That bike is an absolute beast! 👌🔥
Insane, loved it.
My 2 favorite vehicles on the planet. Amazing 🤙🏻
That 911 is simply amazing.
Is John really wearing a Saturn hat?! Awesome!
I'm here all week 😁
Great video
the funny thing is, Chris also has a 911 Turbo S
173 mph That bike is crazy
Next time, you guys need to get an experienced person who races motorcycles around a road course rather than a straight line.
Dont think any bike will be able to beat the porsche in a U drag. the porsche is great at launching, good acceleration, good top speed, good brakes, and good handling. its strong in basically all areas of the U drag
No
Super awesome dreg race❤
Chris is an awesome tuner and dragster but he has never cornered a bike in his life 😂
And after the race you can drive to school and pick up the kids with the 911. Maybe you do a little shopping with them...
The Porsche is the ultimate daily driving supercar !
What a masterpiece... 💖
My man on the bike be taking turns like he in a Semi with an oversized load.
H2 wheelies past 911 while they are at full acceleration 😂😅
Suggestion
992 turbo s light weight vs mclaten,
Plaid
I'd rather see street legal bikes vs street legal cars. R1/6/7, Grom, Monster, M9, Rocket III, etc
... Chris is taking it easy on presenters who have difficulty operating the Porsche PDK...might as well been a true manual
Wow Chris, i know thats a heavy bike but damn you need some time on a 600 around a track lol please 🙏
Its a Porche babyyy pretty much different then that NSX. Holy god that thing launches like a rocket 😮😎💪
He turned that bike like a super tanker! C’mon dude, tighten that turn, then power power power!
Chris had an awesome launch on the first race but braking at the end of the straight and then turning was definitely a handful to execute. I wish they could've given Chris another shot because the potential is there to beat the Porsche. Maybe try another professional motorcycle racer to see if it will make a difference. In any event, great video content, thanks gents.
Jonathan, if there’s a story behind the Saturn cap I wanna hear it.
😁
It is just amazing how fast the 911 Turbo S is considering it can also be used as a daily driver and isn't made out of carbon fiber.
Let's see the car guy drive the bike. 😂 The porsche is like sitting in a library. 2 totally different machines. Good race 👍
Motorcycles will never beat a car on corners
It’s unfortunate they don’t have a track rider on the bike. A straight line racer is missing half the skill set needed to ride that bike :(
A regular backroad rider would do😂. You would think the pavement was wet as slow and wide as he took the turn
@@Drofthing I know, and the editors also knew this. Watching the video it’s hard to see any footage of him actually taking the turn or breaking into the corner. They know his riding is trash.
@@n300zx931 😂😂
@@Drofthing these are car guys that make these videos though. Motorcycle guys understand that even a slower bike in the hands of a skilled rider is so much faster. The skill set of riding a motorcycle around a corner is muncher harder to develop than any car guy will understand.
Damn, the bike loses and people are going crazy. Thisnwhy we can't have good things.
Not many if any other channels are doing these type of videos. Let's just enjoy it
More U Drags!
good thing that bee was safe at 7:08
Stop messing around and let's see a standing Mile with these two!!
Nothing care about 1mile race
Re-race this time Chris on his all motor stock wheel base gsxr1000. We know he can put the power down with that!
requested nevera vs h2r next bro
All hail the speed king!! Turbo S is my favorite car ever.
Yes could have done a re-race at the end with the driver in the right lane.
How about 911 turbo s
Vs tesla model s plaid
Nope, need a better rider. Get Dani Pedrosa and his KTM from Carwow!
So you think the bike can win with Pedrosa?
@@motlatsikhomari7254 I think he can do much better!
Yes, more bike vs. car on U-drags. BMW bike vs BMW car, maybe
For cars, this race requires good torque because the U is narrow, if the U is made wider, then the order of the winning cars will also change.
People are complaining about the bike turns but forget that cars brake and turn so much more effectively than bikes
Use a bike that is street legal? The H2r is a monster... and a unicorn. Never gonna see one on the street (legally)...
And to the too much power bs excuse--- the bike has electronics to settle it down. USE THEM. Chris is legend both on and off track. I would've chosen him to rep the Kawi as well. With some practice he would win. Great race. Love the U Drags!!!
What a race! The H2R is crazy fast but to loose against the luxury porsche is not bad. Next time tell the driver to turn on AC to full instead of off…
More motorcycles!!
Get toprak razgatlioglu he is a professional race track rider and master at braking instead. Chris moore is a drag racer so he has difficulties on turning curve his forte is drag racing.
I think josh herrin will be better
Next tesla plaid with ceramic brakes will be interesting i think
Wow I like it
super drag
Can You do Cybertruck tri-motor VS 911 TurboS ? Because ''Cybertruck is faster than 911'' is what some journalists claims 🤣 thanks.
best part about the porsche is you won't become a meat crayon.
I REALLY ENJOYED THE SHOW GUYS,BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHRIS MOORE,RACE HIS TWIN TURBO GSXR 1000,AND HIS HAYABUSA, THAT HSR IS JUST TOO HEAVY❤😊
He won in the straight line. His cornering is trash.
Ask Chris which Superbike is better for U Drags and take that bike vs 765LT
911 turbo s 992 addition vs the corvette eray please 😊😊😊
Not buying it. The rider was clearly sandbagging in the second race. If you guys continue racing super bikes against super cars, I suggest you find a better rider.
better rider?? do you have any idea who chris moore is ? you wont find better and no you wont do better either mate
@@yegsy2432he's a greatest drag racer not professional racing rider or he could turn better
H2R is hardest Bike to ride probably worst track bike
BMW M1000RR Ducati V4R V4S V4SP2 V4 Superleggera would do better and they will smoke Turbo S
I would like to see a bmw S1000RR RACE
@@Smzxenot a big bike person so im curious why is the h2r bad on a track? It seems like a 1000cc with a supercharger. Does the extra few lbs from the sc and intercooler really kill the handling that bad?
@@SmzxeThere are way better track cars then the Turbo S as well. Put the bikes you just mentioned against a Ferrari SF90 XX
The Bike Rider had the right idea to brake early. The key to turning a bike is being on the power in the turn and it seems like he is not on the power until after the apex. Get on the power in the clutch friction zone drag that knee and come out of the corner in a lower gear. Sounds like he is in too high of a gear coming out of the corner. Maybe the power delivery is different on this bike, I dont know but i feel like he can corner a little faster. Id like to see what a little more tire and a stretch on that bike would do. It would help it with the launch but could slow the turn but i think if you eliminate all of that wheelying at the jump this bike is a half swcond to a second or more quicker to the quarter mile and id guess improve the U Drag time by at least a half second..
I can't believe that that car is so fast.
The Turbo S is a beast.
Love to see the turbo s vs a plaid with the track pack.
I can predict the Turbo S Light Weight would win, based on handling AND the Nurburgring times. The Plaid Trac Pak did 7min 25 sec
The 911 Turbo S (992) 7 min 17 sec.
The Plaid's acceleration due to instant torque can warp physics, UNTIL the turns. The 911 turbo is about 900 pounds lighter and in turns it will out G the Plaid Trac Pak, but also transition faster from left to right and visa versa faster because of the physics of the Porsche having a lower moment of inertia (basically lighter is better for multiple turns) though the trak Pak does well for such a heavy car.
@@williamthornton5856 there is only 1 turn and two long straightaways. I think it has a chance.
@@willnav Perhaps, and it would be really close between the two; but I forgot one more performance measure that could help offset the Plaids acceleration advantage once they both got underway (because off the line, they are tied) Braking. The Porsche still out stops the Plaid Trak Pak's improved brakes. Its almost a 1000 pounds heavier and the Porsche has another advantage with its engine in the back for breaking and weight transfer. The Porsche 911 Turbo wins against virtually anything braking. i agree the Plaid Trak Pak has a chance. U Drags is not a road course circuit.
@@williamthornton5856 Plaid would be close to a 7min flat car if it was able to maintain it's peak power through the whole lap, which it can't. Prepped Plaid's for roadcourse are as fast as GT2RS on some tracks. And this is not a joke.... th-cam.com/video/A2B3qGB9IQk/w-d-xo.html ... The guy is one of the fastest 'amateur' driver on the nurburgring, he did a 6min44 BTG with his GT2 RS MR...
@williamthornton5856 s plaid will win lol
2024 C8 ZO6 vs Ferrari 812 super-fast or Porsche 911 turbo S vs McLaren 765 LT or Ferrari 488 pista .
I would suggest a Suzuki bandit 1200 with the Turbo charger for a good challenge. A.k.a., the Bubba bubba Bubba bandit.
This should be standard for comparing vehicles not just straight line
I love the exposure Chis is getting with U-Drags. Out of all the motorcycle channels, Chis is by far the best. I don't know what his background is but IMO he's a mechanical engineer or just a guy with a very high IQ and it all comes naturally. Edmonds is a killer channel.
Need Josh Herrin to do these bike comparisons.
Yes definitely more motorcycles!
H2 maybe isn’t the best bike for handling, but I feel like Chris could have taken the turn a bit faster.
Nothing is made on this planet to beat the Mighty H2R on drag
H2r lost
Don't talk stupid shit, on straights the H2r destroys the 911 turbo, its beast, at high speeds the 911 doesn't stand a chance.@@jozefjozefczyk3936
@@jozefjozefczyk3936On a longer track the H2r went at over 170 Mph, while the 911 turbos only went at 146 Mph.
@@jozefjozefczyk3936The H2r went at a much higher speed than the 911 turbo s, because logically the H2r is much faster at high speeds than the Porsche 911 turbo s
@@jozefjozefczyk3936H2r has a disadvantage in sprints, as due to its exaggerated strength it causes it to rear up, so the driver must control his hand on the accelerator, now in roll race, or at high speeds, the H2r completely destroys the 911 turbo s. Turbo s makes a Beetle at high speeds compared to the H2r.
Bike is tricky ... No matter how fast bikes are .. hard turn is nightmares
Just seen a hr2 keep up with a chiron super sport but its struggles to keep up a turbo s need a driver mod youtube carwow h2r vs chiron super sport
Chris, you're spending too much time trying to turn the bike. You gotta make a sharp turn, square it off and accelerate.
Edmunds, you gotta get Josh Herrin or somebody who knows how to turn the bike. This isn't just a drag race. Motorcycle road racers can turn this better.
Get Danni Pedrosa on that factory Redbull KTM. He would give any car a race for its money
Plissss s plaid vs h2-r
Chris Moore is a awesome drag racer. The Ninja H2R itself is made for straight line speed. Its wheel base is a bit longer than a regular sport bike which makes it slower to turn. I would like to see a road racer on cheaper street legal liter bike with a tune, exhaust and sticky tires race that 911S.
How about a manual Porsche versus the bike? I suspect a different outcome.
The manual is slower lol.
The 911 Turbo S doesnt come in manual anymore.
Hail the KING
That Porsche always consistent on the quarter mile never fails to preforms a wonderful race indeed 👍👍
It is only 10.2s car lol
LOL ! Auh .. Not Really