I was surprised too. It looks like it is competitive on quality, exceeds on features, and the price is in line with first party controllers. Seems like a no-brainer. I sold all my consoles last year, otherwise I would certainly order one.
8BitDo is releasing a controller which uses Gulikit's Sticks next week for $70 as well. Better deal IMO if you live somewhere where the King Kong Pro 2 is also $70. It has 2 rear paddles, a 2.4GHz dongle (as well as bluetooth) and a charging dock. You have to specifically buy the one which is for Switch and Windows though, they are releasing Windows only and wired only versions as well, but those use normal sticks.
same with DS3 with the no contact / magnetic sensors. These big companies just want to screw customers over with their controllers that wouldn't last a year or two.
I've just bought some magnetic hall effect sensors to build into my Xbox Series X Controller. I love modding lol. Might make a video showing how to do it when i get it done.
@@circuit10 Sadly joycons are a pain in the ass to disassemble. Did it once to convert my switch to clear atomic purple casing and yes it looks great but man was it a pain. Not going there again and I would describe myself as relatively competent when it comes to electronics repair. Nothing for newbies for sure.
I have been using the last gen controller. For literally thousands of hours. 0 problems. In a game where you have to do a repetitive "grinding" task like go to point a to b over and over, the autopilot is freaking amazing. I put the controller in the case it came with every night, approx. 300 or so times, hinge is still intact. I have zero complaints really. The price/performance is freaking awesome.
i wish sony would make a high quality controller like this. every ps4 controller i'll had gets analog drift within about 6 months, a couple maybe went 9 months. i would gladly pay $100+ for a sony controller with these sticks that apparently don't get this drift issue.
@@Jack_80 I have asked a couple makers about making a ps4 controller. Apparently they cant do the touch portion because of patents and whatnot. Sony holds the keys tight.
Apparently it's not just the sticks, but the triggers also employ hall effect instead of potentiometers. The official website mentions it for ZL and ZR as well.
@@PibePlayerthis is arguably worse, so they KNOW about the Hall effect sensors, and just don't use them on the joysticks. ... methinks they are maybe a bit addicted to replacement controller sales. >:/
@@tomspettigue8791of course they fucking know, Microsoft is a three trillion dollar company that has been making controllers for over 20 years now. I’m sure they’re aware of the superior joy stick technology that many have been asking them to use for years.
Fun fact: The dreamcast's contoller had this technology in the early 2000's, where the analog stick would activate magnets in the circut board, which could be used for an analog input depending on how strong the force was. The only reason why it wasn't popularized was because the dreamcast's sales fell short of competitors (n64, ps2)
The Sega Saturn analogue controller used it as well. Sega also perfected the D-pad on the Saturn and for whatever reason manufactures have continued to ignore it.
@@Demon-D-King the sega saturn analog controller did have this technology too. But it wasn’t a standard controller sega issued as it was during the dreamcast era
@@Gobeman While correct, as time has proven even the design of a controller can cause joysticks to get worse, eg a shell that lets in more dirt or as with the joycons (seemingly this is still unknown atleast to me) incorrect mounting/pressure as a thin piece of cardboard can fix joycon drift for some reason, not always but it's something to look into
I don't think there are that many contorllers out in the wild to really make it make sense to test them. With keyboard yes, there are handrets of manufactures and even more series to choose from so consumer does need help. With controller I don't think so, at least not yet
A thing to keep in mind is their Quality Control. I bought this controller and I had severe input lags even in wired mode. I had to return it twice (they sent another one with the same issue but still very noticeable input lag) before receiving a non-defective one. And the input lags I experienced wasn't just milliseconds of delay, it was seconds to the point I could see the input was stuck in one direction while I was testing on gamepad-tester. Other than that, it's definitely a worth buy with such a cheap price but subjectively good to play with. Edit : On top of the issue I had, there's also some complaints at my local shopping platform where some users experienced some issues on the buttons where they would be hard to press and/or stuck, as well as the analog stick having some form of friction (which they shouldn't, they're supposed to be very smooth). These issues could be from the molding injection defects where there's excess plastic on the parts, another TH-camr have made note of this when they disassembled it ( Link : th-cam.com/video/SLepubiTsEc/w-d-xo.html ).
That's pretty good to know.. I was considering jumping on this to try it out, but if they're having issues like that... I'd rather wait until they sort things out, rather not deal with the hassle of potentially multiple returns..
@@kryzethx Same.. If I am to change from going to a faulty Xbox 360 controller to a faulty Gullikit, then I am back to square one, having tried to go to an Xbox Series X/S elite controller and having it get sticky triggers shortly after a week.
Maybe I have that issue but I'm not sure. In normal cases I have no input lags. But when the battery is low in Bluetooth mode, it starts to get lagging. Sometimes when I play it wired, it connects to Bluetooth. And that's when I experience lagging when wired. These days I play it laid back, Away from the PC. Always Bluetooth. With a type-c charger ready for any of my low battery devices. If it starts to lag, I plug it in to charge (not to PC) and things fine.
@@ilakya I contacted the support about and they said I should charge it to full and try again. It didn't work as I was still experiencing the severe input lags. Since you have no input lags except when your battery is low in Bluetooth mode then I guess you don't have that issue. My case was constant despite charged to full and going wired over bluetooth.
I bought one of these for my Switch and PC after watching this. In the 4 months I've had it I've PUNISHED this thing with hours of Ace Combat 7 play and I've neither noticed nor had any problems in that time.
I wonder if it's that feasible. The Joy-Con sticks aren't that high on the body of the controller, so if it needs some room, the miniaturisation (which have been the ones that have made the issue stem for so long) might not be very feasible.
Heard about the Guilikit controller earlier this year. Funny when you mentioned about the friction at around 7:55, because there's another TH-camr who opened up the controller and noticed in the molding at the base that there's a bit of a piece of plastic sticking out. He just sanded it down until it was smooth. He even reached out to the vendor of his findings.
It's not just Dreamcast. Every analog stick from N64 up to Dual Shock 3 used Hall Effect sensors. Switching to Potentiometer sensors is a relatively recent change.
@@Likuzaim is that why my ps3 controller can get really dusty but has never had controller drift? Ps4 controller gets any slight dust inside the sticks and all of a sudden starts moving on its own.
@@danwarb1 I meant to add that in, but I didn’t know the Saturn’s controller name. (It had 2 controllers, one w/o an analog stick and the other w/ one)
@@Likuzaim Um, no. N64 had an optical based joystick, it's basically the same setup as the old PC mice with the ball had inside. N64 controllers didn't drift but would mechanically wear out and get floppy. I don't know about Dual Shock 3 but Dual Shock 1 and 2 were potentiometer based.
Yep, now it's pretty much the norm, even new entry-level controllers have hall-effect gimbals. Next up, game controller enthusiasts are going to discover the joy of damping grease ! (to be fair, it's already common for flight-simmers to lubricate their joysticks with Nyogel 767A & co)
Please note that the joystick for this hand is electromagnetic, but the problem is that the vertical speed is not equal to the horizontal speed, that is, the normal joystick, the vertical and horizontal speed are exactly equal
Potentiometers dying is a big issue with gamecube controllers too, you will hear horror stories about the PoDE (Potentiometer Degradtion Effect, iirc) in some of their controllers from smash players and how they're always buying either expensive controllers or buying a million controllers. I'm really happy that Hal Effect controllers are becoming a thing and I hope more controllers come out with them :)
when the dualsense edge was announced, i emailed gulikit about hall effect replacements for the joysticks and they said they'd do it if given the chance! needless to say i'm excited
@@Volker_A4 dunno if there's actual grounds to sue, considering the joysticks are replaceable and such. but it's sony we're talking about so it's most definitely in the realm of possibility
For the GK KK3 they should have a stick / dpad arrangement you can flip around, and have different USB-attached radios you can attch so instead of shoehorning compatibility for almost everything inside of the controller body, they can have the external radio permit for different firmware to use with other consoles. If they go that approach, they could either have the radio sticking out of the controller, or to make it look _sleek_ they can have it stuck inside with a switch-style lever to disconnect and protrude the radio for ease of replacement, and tinkerers will definitely find other uses for them. Future replacement face button caps should either be magnetic, or barring that go full techie and use monochromatic e-ink displays. All of these changes would probably bump the cost up to $140 but remember, you're buying this _for life._ There's no reason why not to shoot for the moon and create the ultimate controller.
I have two of these. They are great. Battery life is good, and the analogs feel amazing. The buttons are good too. The old case that came with the older KingKong was better than the cheap clamshell. (I broke the original kingkong but it was good, spilled liquid on it and lost the ( - ) button when I reassembled it after cleaning.)
Something worth knowing about this controller - If you have experience with custom keyboards, you can open this up, open the abxy switches up, rotate the internal component and lube them and it creates an excellent linear switch. I don't recommend this to people who don't like to open up their electronics, but it is honestly pretty easy to do and it is a huge improvement from the stock buttons which feel like they almost stick because the tactile bump is so big.
@@clydefrosch unfortunately, no. There are some teardown videos of the controller though. if you can follow those videos then you should be able to open the switches themselves up. That part is much easier than opening up the controller itself.
Buyer beware: these controllers have some really neat features, but in my experience and many others, GuliKit doesn’t have their QC quite down yet (at least they didn’t about two months ago). Sticky buttons, molding defects on the sticks, and sticky triggers (I wanted this for Splatoon soo much) seem to show up quite frequently in reviews.
I have one with a sticky button and another one which sometimes keeps connecting and disconnecting when turning it on wired to my computer via USB. Sometimes the problem goes away by just unplugging OTHER devices from other USB ports. Sometimes it doesn't. Very weird. It's such a shame cause they're great controllers otherwise.
Most of it is easily fixable with some sanding (the controller is one of the easier that I've opened too). My issue is that the mechanical buttons themselves are similar to mechanical keyboard switches but nowhere as high-quality; the 'clickiness' comes from two plastic fins grinding against two plastic tabs inside and this design gives it a weird amount of resistance that some players might find awkward and even 'sticky'. For people who find that the buttons are hard to press down and/or are sticky, I highly recommend giving them the same treatment as you'd give mechanical keyboard switches: open them up and lubricate the insides. They then turn into some of the best buttons I've ever tested.
Glad i seen your comment about these issues. Had a look at another review and he had a sticky spot caused by bad cleanup of the gate to the mold of the analogue stick. He sanded it off and fixed it. I have bought one of these controllers just now so i guess we will see how i go, if to many issues ill just get a refund. (edit) Received my controller a few days ago and so far I'm loving it. Using it a few hours every night after work. When I touched the triggers and analogue sticks for the first time I was like Morty when he experiences true level.
I have a new patent of the gulikit kk2 pro, and it's nice to see that they touched on some of the issues linus covered. The d-pad feels excellent compared to other 1st party controllers, and it seems they added something to the joysticks to prevent the edge from being so rough. This controller is a winner in my book!
I have one of these controllers and have been quite happy with it; almost all of the review here is spot-on. As some others have mentioned, GuliKit appear to have a few QC issues but nothing fatal; in my case I had a tiny bit of left-over plastic flashing on one of the triggers that was causing it to catch on the housing sometimes, but thankfully the controller is easy to take a apart and service and a few seconds with a mini file was all it took to clean it up and it's flawless now. Internally, the controller is very well designed as well and I expect it to last for a long time. It's such a relief to finally get away from potentiometer-based analog sticks.
i actually got one of these a few weeks back and i love it. They didn't open the controller so you don't see it but the battery is super easily swappable. Take the back shell of and you have direct access to the battery just unplug it and slap in a new battery and you're good to go.
Do remember to set the left stick sensitivity to level two, in order to have square diagonals (needed for running instead of walking in diagonals on third person games). Also, in order to use the triggers in analog mode you can only do that on Xinput mode, which disables the Home and Capture buttons and the gyro. You can't use both gyro, Home, Capture and analog triggers at the same mode because of pattented APIs from Microsoft (Xinput) and Nintendo (Switch Mode), they can't be modded. It's never a controller fault.
@@michealhawk4939 It's on the manual guide. I think it's hold "cog icon button" + click left joystick. Then test on a square stick tester to see if the diagonals are getting full position.
This controller is amazing, smooth sticks, good weight on hand, and versatile. The latest firmware is almost flawless and battery lasts super long. The mechanical face buttons can have binding issue but I managed to disassemble and lubricate the mechanism with slightest amount of grease, and have zero problem ever since. Gulikit somehow decided bare plastic with 0 lubricant is the best for their mechanical buttons.☹ However, fixing these are relatively easy, it should last long enough and worth the hassle. Edit: Here is a video of how to tear down the controller and lubricate the face buttons th-cam.com/video/DsOtEypE0xA/w-d-xo.html
@@CannabisCrusade disassemble is rather simple, unlike first-party controller. There is no ribbon cable or anything that can break easily. I use general purpose bearing grease but dedicated mechanical keyboard lube should be better.
For anyone else having this issue (which so far was my only complaint), @yonggor seems to be right that some lubrication fixes it. I used graphite, just pencil dust and pushing the button a lot until it freed up. Squeaks a bit now, but at least it doesn't seem to be binding.
You know, being able to record up to 10 minutes of inputs could be really useful for benchmark runs that have to be manually done because the game doesn't have it's own test. Just start up the game, load from a save file, and then run the command while recording your frametimes and fps.
I think that's a great idea. It would need to be a game setup where random events don't cause variability in results such as enemies spawning in at different times and locations
I've tried scripting things like this for benchmarking but in a lot of cases, there's a small amount of error in how the game responds to the scripted inputs and over a few minutes the errors add up and sometimes completely break the scripted run. Works a lot better in retro games with very stable framerates
@@kendokaaa It's likely down to either frametime variation or floating point inaccuracy, or both. The latter is an inherent issue with how computers handle decimal points, and we've been so unable to solve it that no programmer in their right mind should allow floating point numbers into financial programs. There are workarounds, sometimes. In the case of graphical functions, many calculations involve these slightly inaccurate numbers. Nobody cares if the model is a pixel off in a frame or two. It's definitely a case of "good enough," and some things run faster with less accurate numbers. My personal experience is pretty damning. I was making a program and defined a variable as 2.0. I then hovered over it in the code editor, and the tooltip told me it was 2.0004. What. Imagine that, but then you throw cosmic bit flips into the equation. There's a solution for that too, but Intel decided a long time ago that shouldn't be a general consumer feature. In short, the average home PC is likely not perfectly accurate. Engineers pay extra for more stable hardware, but even then the program has to be designed a little different for maximum accuracy.
I have worn down 4 hall effect flight joysticks physically (hardened/cracked plastics, broken buttons, broken throttle sliders). In all of them, after everything else falls apart; the accuracy/precision of the hall sensor (after more than 10 years of continue using) is still as good as the day I brought them. So, it is not going to last "much longer", it is going to last as long as the plastic parts still holds. In other word, you can grind the joystick down to dust, but the sensory will never fail or weaken over time.
which is why there's full metal joysticks which cost like 100 bucks each though you can find some decent metal joysticks for cheaper. personally I never had drift problems on older gamepads like the dualshock 2, though I actually severed a plastic stem at some point because of the metal on plastic friction. I'm pretty sure drift wouldn't be a thing if they had slightly better quality joysticks. though obviously hall effect and optical switches are still the best in terms of reliability. a great way to get rid of mechanical drift is to have a small spring detent in the middle, avoiding the joystick from wandering around. though the problem would also be solved by having easily replaceable joysticks. use inserts and machine thread screws, and have the joysticks on a secondary pcb. don't tell me the extra 2 bucks can't be put in a fucking 70 bucks gamepad.
@@satibel me neither, PS controller potential meters are extremely durable, even the ones on PSP. XBOX 360, Logitech, Seitek potential meters, however, are another story. Wrap some Plumber's Teflon tape on the mini joystick neck can protect it from machinal wearing. But it won't work on long flight sticks, as the material fatigue will cause micro-fractures to appear over time. (e.g. TM 16000M)
I've been looking for videos and comments about this controller since last week. They solved the drifting issue but the controllers has lots of other ones. The one I saw the most was the face buttons getting stuck. Also, lots of people complained about the lag using bluetooth and, apparently, updating it may not solve the issue. The bumper and trigger lose their color with time. After some thought, I decided for the 8bitDo Ultimate Bluetooth controller, that's not perfect but gets the job done better for me.
These are absolutely on my holiday wish-list. I have their sticks in my Steam Deck, and it's wild how much better joystick cursor emulation is when you can set the deadzone to zero.
@@mycelialgoddess No (I have the MDHA Steam Deck controllers), but I also think cap sensors to activate gyros is a really stupid bind, so even if Gulikit offers me a replacement, I don't think I'll bother. IIRC Linus didn't even bother soldering the wires in his upgrade.
@@mycelialgoddess You can have the same touch recognition if you solder the existing joystick cover to the Gulikit ones. From what I've heard, the soldering job isn't that difficult. Honestly, most people can live without the functionality.
@@GSBarlev i love the fact that there are cap sensors, but I cant for the life of me justify using it to activate gyro over L4 or 5. Maybe if the gripped ridge was bigger on the top so you can pull the stick down eithout activating it would be better, but as-is I feel like Im losing my mind trying to use the stick without activating gyro lol
@@mycelialgoddess yes they do. You have to desolder the wire that connects the joy touch on the stick caps from the original sticks then solder them in place on the new ones.
The GuliKit sticks for my Steam Deck haven't been great at all. While the lack of dead zone is great, mine reach their greatest value before the end of the stick travel is reached. So only 2/3rd of the stick do something, and beyond that it just reports max value. It is a common defect and lots of people have issues with it. Such a shame.
durability is what matters the most to me. I had so much hopes in the excessively expensive elite , but it looks like I could have found my final choice for a while now. looks great
@@XAV-117 "Phone batteries not being removable though is understandable with wireless charging and water resistance." Wireless charging is only available on top of the line phones so no it's not because of that and it's even less because of water resistance because casing is what is important for water resistance(GoPro is not water resistant but if you put it in water resistant case it "magickly" becomes water resistant). Phone batteries not being removable is because of planned obsolescence and not because of wireless charging and water resistance.
I've had one of these for a few months now. Absolutely love it and maybe the best controller I've used, especially as its possible to set the dead zone to basically nothing. I even got mine for around $45USD. Couple of notes though, when I first opened mine I got a very small fiber of plastic stuck in my finger, from the carry case. The sticks are very light to use, as are the triggers. If you're used to a xbox or ps controller you will push them too far to start with. I also had to take it apart and shave a small piece of plastic off of one of the joysticks because on the inside it was rubbing against something inside, stopping me from being able to move forward fully - it was very easy to do and maybe took 10 mins tops, but that was also trying to find out what was wrong (I've since seen this is the case for a couple of other people online too). Also I noticed the battery is easily replaceable as are a lot more of the internal components.
I've been using BW100 to spray and clean my controller joysticks when stick drift occurs. It's a quick and pretty reliable fix. Of course It will be inevitable that I will eventually have to replace the physically worn joysticks but my oldest Xbox One controller of 8 years is still kicking strong in the hands of my kids.
They might still be kicking, but if you use the controllers your kids have, vs a new series X pad youll definitely feel the difference in quality. At the very least, the silicone pads between the buttons and PCB on the original XBONE controllers are weak material, that often breaks around the rim of the button contact, making them feel very mushy, and sometimes even stick in the "down" position for too long. I had this issue with 2 xbone pads that were completely babied. Its not a matter of mis-treatment.
@@Ironchinian on the regular controllers I'm removing the face plate and pulling off the thumb sticks to spray as I move the exposed thumbsticknaround. I have had my first official thumbstick bite the dirt about a month ago where I will have to replace the thumbstick but our of like 10 controllers not too bad
@@NintenJoe And is cleaning them going to do anything for physical wear of the material itself? At least from my understanding, if I'm getting this at all.
I'm really interested to see a comparison between this controller and the soon to be released 8Bitdo Ultimate Controller Bluetooth version. Currently, they're the only reliable brands with hall effect sticks and are priced similarly.
@@charredolive It seems like they might, though. They have 2 paddles, but also have very barebones support with windows. This is because the 8bitdo needs a receiver to work on Windows unlike the Gulikit. It also isn't compatible with android or MacOS natively. The things it has going for it are the paddles, Ultimate remapping software, and the d-pad. I'll still wait to see a comparison between the two, but I think I might have to go with the Gulikit KingKong 2.
@@nikopierrot if it has an x input, it will work on iOS natively because it would be looked at as an Xbox controller which is natively supported. Not sure about android but I will assume the same.
Holy Jesus! I just bought one and got it today as soon as I opened the box and felt the controller you can already tell the quality of this controller. I've played a few hours and this has changed my perspective about 1st party controllers. GuliKit I give you props, thanks for the recommendation Linus!
I returned mine. They use the Japanese layout which I prefer but they don't offer any way to swap what Windows sees as the buttons. So if anyone is like me and sees an 'A' on their screen and instinctively presses 'A' it is frustrating to have it input a B. I was trying to force myself to get used to it but after 7 hours and 50% of my button pressing being mis-inputs I had enough. No value in a durable controller if I can't even play a game on it.
@@SirNarax They sell very affordable button replacements. Some controllers even come with them. And if you mean the X-Input layout, can't you just modify your games' settings to accommodate?
@@Gortall No, I can not. Changing the controls in game doesn't solve the problem just inverts it the other way. Since the button displayed on the controller is not what the game sees. I returned mine because not only was that a pretty significant issue but it also just didn't even work at all. It randomly pressed buttons or completely missed inputs. For a controller who's selling point is primarily durability arriving broken is a no-go.
@@Gortall Well I do actually prefer the Japanese layout and a meer button swap wouldn't solve the problem completely only remove the discontinuity. Plus why would I invest time or money into a controller that arrived to me broken when their primary selling point was durability? Very basic controllers can at the very least actuate buttons correctly out of the box.
I've had this controller as a tester since prelaunch and I love it and case has had no issues and still going strong. I could add a hole for power but this thing lasts so long on one charge. I have also replaced my joycon joystick with the Gulikit Hal Effect stuff
I bought one of these for Switch a few months ago, mainly looking for a controller that felt like a pro controller but also didn't have an absolutely terrible dpad. Glad to see you cover it, it's a pretty nice controller. I want to buy a second and the swappable buttons so it'll have a xbox style layout and be more natural for PC gaming.
I have been using a PS4 controller as my main PC controller, and honestly, most of the time it's seen as an Xinput via Steam. So in all honestly, it doesn't matter if the face buttons are correct, you get used to the button positions which all the major controllers are the same regardless, face buttons mean very little.
@@KeithEngel I think it's a personal preference thing. My brain sometimes gets confused if they don't match. I played some rhythm games in the past using a PS4 controller on Steam and not being able to switch the button symbols really messed with me.
@@KeithEngel yeah, it's easy to ignore the PS buttons since they are basically half symbols - but when B is A and A is B it gets really confusing really quick. I really miss the wii u pro layout, with the joysick above the abxy. It was a mirror of the default xbox layout and the only nintendo controller I could switch between without needing to re-learn my muscle memory every time.
@@DavidFrostbite Yet if the controller is going to be used as Xinput, the B will be A regardless and the A will be B regardless because that is how the inputs are mapped. So basically I don't even look at the face buttons, for me anymore it's just automatics that bottom button is A, right button is B, Top Button Y, and left button is X. Muscle memory is muscle memory, symbols on the screen are what is important and remember were those inputs are regardless what's on the face of the controller.
I actually picked up this controller a couple weeks ago. I'm loving it so far! My xbox series x controller I use for pc got drift literally 1 month after the 1 year warranty expired, so I bought this specifically for the hall sensors. No more drift for me.
Having 3 Elite/2 controllers get stick drift... im not getting another. The most recent one is 2 months old! Would hop on this if it had 4 paddles on the back. Without those paddles, this is a pass though.
@@EMU1 if it’s that new Microsoft will fix it or send you a new one under warranty. I can’t remember what my exact issue was with one I had but they made it right. Edit: are you bottoming out dead zones?
Bought this controller based on this and other reviews, is as good as they say, it feels really good, all the materials and the quality of the buttons and joysticks is phenomenal, i really cant state how good compared to an actual xbox controller is and it works seamless on windows
@@dillonmarius306 Sure! Where would you use it? On your switch, mobile, or PC? Because I own both Gulikit Kingkong 2 pro and 8bitdo Ultimate BT variant (not to be confused with the 8bitdo Ultimate NON BT variant, with only 2.4ghz connectivity), and I mainly use them on my PC. - If you want a charging dock: go for the 8bitdo ultimate. Regardless of variant (BT or 2.4ghz), they offer charging dock which is neat because it also stores the 2.4ghz dongle you use to connect to PC. The Gulikit also have one but is a separate purchase, and the design does not compare to 8bitdo's charging dock which also act as its stand. - Both controller (KK2 pro and Ultimate BT) have hall sticks sensor. Beware of the BT ultimate non BT variant as it only have the potentiometer joystick. -Both joystick have 0 deadzones mode but needs to be turned on. The 8bitdo has its own software, which I will mention later. While the Gulikit can be turned on with a combination of button. Between the two, i feel like the 8bitdo is much more accurate that Gulikit. But maybe it's only because of: -Latency issues. While on PC, i connect the 8bitdo via 2.4ghz. While the Gulikit is only via BT connection. I feel a little latency on Gulikit, and is also a known issue already on internet by most user. I dont have any latency issues on the 8bitdo one. My Gulikit often disconnects and also worsens input lag if you're a few meter away from the PC. -Customizable: The 8bitdo ultimate has its own "ultimate software" that you can use to set your button bindings, macro, deadzones, etc. While the Gulikit ones only have a set of button combos/instruction on how to set a certain action (Example: setting no deadzone mode is 'gearbutton' + 'minus' button). - Android compatibility: I dont own a switch so I can only judge the two on PC and mobile android. I cannot connect the 8bitdo Ultimate BT on my mobile phone and it is a known issue. Even though connecting it via 2.4ghz or BT, no luck. My phone can pair it via BT but does not register any inputs. While the Gulikit works flawlessly on my android phone. Tried it on deadcells and call of duty mobile. - Feel while holding: I prefer holding the Gulikit. Its shape and looks looks similar to Xbox' controllers and feels better when held than 8bitdo. Maybe because of 8bitdo's shape which is a more straight on its side. -Buttons and trigger: Buttons, i prefer the 8bitdo. My Gulikit already have a sticky 'A' button only on 2 months of use. And my 8bitdo is much older with 5 months of use already. Meanwhile on trigger and shoulder: I prefer the Gulikit one. Its trigger is easier to trigger because it has a less travel time to be 100%. Also the RB/LB buttons have a clickier sounds. While on the 8bitdo, the triggers need more push to be 100% input. This is my take on the both controllers. I love them both because they are my first premium controller coming from fake xbox 360 controller which only cost around 7$. Tell me if you have any more specific questions between the two and i will glady answer you. I hope I can help you decide on which one you should get.
this solution isn't really new lmao, it's just microsoft, sony and nintendo literally don't give a shit about bettering their controllers' durability-wise
Updated info, it's been rebranded to the GuliKit Zen Pro and can be bought at Target, it also addressed your concern about the edge of the joystick being rough
i have been a big fan of 8BitDo for my switch and also Emulators. I have the 8BitDo SN30, Pro 2 and Ultimate. My main go-to is the 8BitDo Ultimate. Everyone was telling me i have to go with the Gulikit KK2, so i ordered one. It's a nice controller, but i still think the 8BitDo Ultimate is better. It also has Hall effect joysticks. I like the 8bitdo better because it comes with a charging dock with pogo connectors, the controller also does switch, xbox, PC, Android and iOS. Another nice thing is it connects either Bluetooth, wired or 2.44GHz vis a usb dongle. The Dock also acts as a passthrough for either 2.4GHz connectivity or wired. The + and - (Start and Select) are also in better more conventional spots especially when it comes to muscle memory. The one nice thing i do like about the Gulikit KK2 Pro are the clicky shoulder buttons. Other than that, they're both nice controllers, but for me, it's the 8BitDo Ultimate!
You know who did this before? Sega. The Dreamcast and the Saturn 3D controllers used this tech and iirc for both the sticks and analogue triggers, you can buy an old DC controller today and works like a charm, except for the fact the joystick itself is quite plasticky and slippery but the precision you get is really impressive after all these decades
Programmable sequences was a feature on an old Sega Genesis controller I had. You could use it for anything, but doing particularly hard moves in fighting games was probably it's best application. Just program it once, then press one button to execute the sequence. It was a little slow in execution though, I'm sure it's way better now.
I actually have this, and it's amazing so far there are no stick drift issues and the buttons just feel soo good. texture is great for grip and no fingerprints!!
you might want to look at the 8bitdo controller then. it's similar to this one (a little worse) but it has two back buttons. idk if that's what you want.
Yup I thought the same thing. If this had back buttons I would have already ordered one to try it out. The Microsoft Elite controllers are junk the Thrustmaster eSwap X Pro I'm already on a second set of thumbsticks on it after a year to 9 months of use. The Turtle Beach Recon Controller after 2-3 months of use I'm already sending it back to them for a replacement for drift issues so that's exactly why I'm here reading reviews on this controller. I'm so damn sick of drift it isn't funny!
I was always dissatisfied that joystick have been almost identical the last several generations. One small detail that always bugged me is how the opening for the joystick never has a better/smoother bevel and your joystick always ends up with a very sharp line indentation after some time
The old sega’s dreamcast controller uses the same method for their analog stick. There are some flight stick controllers by many manufacturers that also uses them, but weirdly enough, that’s a trend manufacturers sadly walked away from, probably for cost savings. I believe eventually they’ll come back to it, if it is made known among their consumer base, because it makes up for a much MUCH better controller in more aspects than just the durability.
I love my KingKong 2 Pro controller. It is the only controller I use with my Switch since I got it. I even use it on my PC quite often. If only it had and back buttons. Good thing there is the new 8bitdo controller coming out soon with those and it uses GuliKit's Hall Effect joysticks, at least in the higher end model.
@@olewornhat It will only support Bluetooth with the Switch. PC connectivity will be a 2.4ghz receiver, and it will not be compatible with Android. Which really kinda sucks because I would much love to have it work with my PC and Android phone via Bluetooth.
I remember buying a razor controller a long time ago because it finally had all the features I'd ever wanted. It kept breaking until the warranty expired. Not much to generalise from other than that I learnt there's a lot to be said for companies such as Microsoft and Sony who HAVE to produce a controller that at the very least meets a threshold level of reliability. They might not be perfect but at least they are mass produced effectively.
Dreamcast used this more than 20 years ago. Plenty of broken controllers for other reasons, but not stick drift. IDK about exactly this, but their controllers used magnets on a circuit board instead of potentiometers.
I would love to see you cover 8BitDo's new Ultimate bluetooth controller when it comes out. It comes with 2 back paddle buttons, remappable buttons via software, hall effect joysticks, and a charging dock and is only $70. It's already looking like a very competitive addition to the controller market. There is a bluetooth, wired and 2.4g version, so they have an option for everyone. You can get them in white or black.
Just looked into this and there's a PC/Switch version, OR a PC/Android version. The bluetooth on the pc switch is only usable with the switch and not other devices. I'm going with a non-pro version of the Guli controller. We'll see how the 8bitdo fairs when it's released.
8BitDo's build quality and styling are really good, and their software is easy to use. But you have to like the joystick placement. And I don't understand why they haven't released a controller with four back buttons.
6:08. Yeah, i sure do remember them. My brother took that controller back within the next hour. The clickiness was so loud that that's all we could focus on while he played the game.
Very good hands-on. I pretty much determined the controller wasn't for me a minute and a half in, but the style of video kept me watching for an additional 5+ minutes. You guys are really good at what you do.
If you were to continue doing controller reviews, I would love to see you review the victrix gambit, I got it and feel like it is great, especially for repairability, and it has a ton of easy to switch accessories out of the box.
I haven't had mine for barely a year and already have crazy stick drift on the right stick. Had customer support send me instructions on how to update and reset the controller, but it seems that was only a temporary fix. Overall, I really do like the controller, but the way the sticks are made for pretty much every controller leaves a lot to be desired for sure
You know what I would love to see from this company a controller with paddles priced at near or the same price as the Xbox Elite controller. All that extra functionality but with the paddles would be INSANE to have. I know it's more geared towards Switch though so I understand why that may not be a development path they take
6:05 I love those buttons. :( I'm actually really bummed that Razer stopped replaced their back paddles with metal dome-like buttons instead of the clicky switches they previously had.They require way more force and are already starting to go bad/mushy on my Razer Wolverine Ultimate, while the ones on my Wildcat are still going strong while requiring very little force. If I could have a Wildcat with 6 programmable buttons and all clicky switches (and none of the weird green grip add-ons) it'd honestly be my dream controller.
A pleasent surprise to see you covering this controller! I've been using it for a couple of months now and it's held up really well and works perfectly on most android games!
depending on what materials your potentiometer uses it can also oxidize and skew the readout that way. My old DAC/AMP had a volume knob that was a poti, and every so often I had to violently crank the volume up and down and up and down a few times to scrape off the oxidation inside, otherwise I'd get crackling audio
huh... ive been having a similsr issue on my old DAC/AMP where the left channel would completely cut out unless i turn the knob up and down a couple times. do you think this could be one of the reasons?
A friend of mine talked about it and told me how good it was. I haven't pulled the trigger yet for myself, since my current controllers aren't that old nor in bad shape yet. But if Gulikit comes with the KingKong 3 Pro, with all the upgrades and fixes that people wants, I would instantly buy it. Even if it was 100 USD.
One year later of owning two of these. They are very good! I did order replacement ABXY buttons to swap the Switch layout to "normal" layout. Since I mostly use them on PC or on Apple TV with Steam Link (still PC)
What claim? That hall effect sticks last way longer than traditional ones? That is obviously true. If they are using neodymium magnets, they will last decades. The USB-C-port would break long before that.
@@-_-_-_-_ well I'd like to know if the battery stays charged for the specified amount of time. The durability of the buttons and bumpers. ( sure it felt good in the hands but so do rocks ) how accurate is the zero ded zone (bet it's good but don't know for sure) how well does the 10 minutes of APG recording do. How did switching between devices work what kind of latency it has compared to other mainstream controllers. That's just me thinking while I poop.
Haven't got this but i did replace my steamdeck sticks with gulikit sticks a few weeks back* Have been very impressed with them so far. Does seem an upgrade, if not a huge one (but they should last longer :D) *note, mostly to fix the faulty left stick i had, not for the hall-effect upgrade, that was just a bonus :P
Can the gulikit stick be fitted into an Xbox controller? Want to get the benefits of no stick drift but don't want to have to buy the wingman thing to use it on my console.
The bumpers on controllers that I use are consistently the first part to go out. I would love to see some LTT Labs reliability testing for controllers to put manufacturer's claims to the test!
me too. I play Rocket league at a high level and my bumpers get a work out. The broke on this controller after 45 days. they didn't offer refunds, and on support email actually told me i could take a microswitch from an xbox controller if i wanted to fix it! Until i left them a bad review, then I got a replacement but after thorough testing in rocket league the controller still isn't good enough at high level. sticks are good but the rest is garbage. buttons stick, bumpers are mush, and triggers have half the travel of the xbox official. just too hard to control in high level competitive matches, probably fine for everything else. the only bumpers that haven't broke on me have been xbox series official controllers.
@@BuzzaB77 Oh, this is great feedback. I play Rocket League at a GC2 level and I have gone through too many controllers because of bad bumpers or face buttons. I have already ordered this controller and I plan to try it out. I will likely return it if it doesn't work for me. Good to know that the official Xbox Series controllers are working good for you. It feels like no other esport wears on a controller like Rocket League does.
I have one of these, the stick was great, but a button started sticking on the come up. I opened it up to look and found the button had a bit of plastic poking off the edge of the bottom of it, and I had to smooth it down to fix it. Looking online I think Gulikits QC is lacking having seen similar complaints from others and for their older pads. 8Bitdo also has their own pad coming out this month that uses Hall Effect sensors, the same price but comes with a charging dock and it's both bluetooth and 2.4ghz, so that may be a better option if you are looking to spend money on a premium pad like this.
You seem to be very familiar with high end, aftermarket controllers.. what would you recommend for a DualShock 4/5 replacement, that has the same stick layout as Playstation? I love the DS5 but I got stik drift within a couple months of owning it. I'm going to try to fix it myself, first but if that doesn't work, I need a replacement. I actually wouldn't mind if it has a layout swap, between Xbox and PS style stick layouts. I use the PS style layout for Rocket League but Xbox controllers for racing games, etc.
@@hhaste If you are on PC, the 8Bitdo Pro 2 or the Retrofighters Defender. The pro 2 is the better pad in most cases, has a swap-able battery, comes with software for configuration, has motion sensing and extra buttons on the back you can set to whatever you like. The defender is just a basic pad, but there isn't anything wrong with it though, it's comfortable, the sticks and triggers all feel very nice, and I personally think it has the better dpad.
8bitdo is coming out with a pro gamepad by end of this month. I returned my KingKong2 because of the button stick issue that caused it to launch the A button out of the controller.
That would be awesome. I have one but have never used a controller with paddles before (I use keyboard and mouse 99.9% of the time so haven't had the need) but some of my pc games are either controller only or work better with a controller hence why I have one haha. Would love to use one that has paddles though so I can actually use more button inputs instead of my fingers just being idle wrapped around the controller lol.
I just want them to add xbox support and an aux port. i wanted to buy allready with the wingman XB but i also want to be able to connect my headset to it
Used one of these for mooooonths now. Paired with a converter dongle for XB/PS, this has replaced my Elite Series 2. Sticks are 90% of most games and even the good potentiometers in the Elites get deadzones quickly.
@@-BarathKumarS The Wingman works just fine and is what I used for a while. I'm currently using a Xim so I can fine tune the gyro accuracy on a per-game basis (you the stuttering Linus is seeing is the baked-in deadzone of the game, and you can program it out with anti-deadzone code with the right tools).
@@-BarathKumarS I had a Cronus Zen that sadly died in a house fire. It works much the same as the Xim 4 it replaced. The Apex is essentially a Xim 5, just the newest model. They all use simple scripts to function, and I prefer the Cronus for the simpler programming for basic configs like deadzones--it works similar to a config file for a PC game.
It would be cool if pressure sensitive buttons came back like on the DS2 and 3. I enjoyed how they added some extra skills to the games like CQC in MGS3.
I've played that shock game before. I learned I was really good at ignoring the particular kind of pain that thing inflicts after a few tries. 🤣 When I would lose I'd just hang on to it and stare my opponents down.
@@5PYZ3R the alcohol helped 🤣 Also it doesn't really hurt that bad. It's more like a strong discomfort mixed with an almost buzzing tickle? It's really startling the first time you experience it. IDK how to explain it. You have to play it.
Cannot wait to see 8bitdo's take on it. To me, controller vibration and triger vibration are the things third partys failed to compete with. Backbutton is also quite an important feature.
I'm glad I swapped out my steamdeck sticks for their hall effect ones. I was able to cut the dead zones by half after the swap and I could have gone further but I'm not used to such small deadzones 😀 I hope they make a Playstation style controller in the future.
Wow, I totally did not expect to see that gamepad here :D I've been using first iteration (KingKong) of the controller for about 2 years now and after few firmware upgrades it's basically flawless compared to what Xbox/PS gamepads offer and their pricing. It felt a bit like beta-testing in those first months of use before they fixed pairing or input lag but as for now I didn't find any bugs and they still improve that firmware regularly, adding more features. I was curious about the difference between KingKong and KK2 but maybe if i'll need another for my GF to play some coop games or if the pad dies somehow, i'll pick that newer one.
I love that it uses the same design profile of the newer Xbox controllers. In my opinion those have the best ergonomics, especially if you have big 'ol meat paws like I do.
Couldn't disagree more. I still use an Xbox controller, since it was the easiest to connect to a PC and it hasn't died yet, but it feels borderline too small in my hands when coming back from using my Dualsense. It's like going back to my Switch from my Steam Deck, (which is why I had to get Hori Split Pad for the Switch). Usable, but very cramped by comparison. With the Xbox controller specifically, the buttons and joysticks sit under my proximial phalanx (the closest segment to your palm), and the shoulder buttons and triggers sit under the middle phalanx. This is far from ergonomic.
Wish the thing had back paddles on it like an elite because I’d be all over it. Now that I’ve become used to using the back paddles it’s going to be hard to use something else as efficiently
@@ashyy6819 I have a current gen 8bitdo wired Ultimate Xbox controller and it does have the back paddles on it. It's an excellent controller. Do not believe it tobe Hall Effect like the upcoming controller, tho.
@@Dado_nastro oh... ok i'll just NOT drop it then. This information is going to change my life dude. My kids will be able to go to the finest school in all of Australialand and men will cross the street when they see me. As they dare not mess with me... For I do not make mistakes. Lol i know you are a BOT NPC and the 28 assigned actions you do have, have a net probability of 100%. But for the rest of us things like this happen all the time with controllers and carry cases ect. A case should protect something.
I'm glad to see the face buttons are in their proper places(where they should have stayed since the SNES). If it had symmetrical analog sticks(like the PS controllers) it would be the perfect controller.
Bought two pro controllers, I totally love them! Played games on steam deck with it using BT connection out of the box. They feel very good and surface material(s), IMHO, is amazing, too. @linus thanks for bringing them up
The improved joystick is what would have made this an immediate purchase IF it also had the extra back buttons. I don’t bother with controllers anymore unless they have the newer set of buttons on the back
They can't put buttons on the back or Scuf/Corsair will sue them. Microsoft already lost that fight and I'm willing to bet microsoft has much better lawyers than guliykit.
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Because they are paying Corsair a royalty and/or get their permission to put rear buttons on their controllers. You get outta here.
@@freeone69 I'm not sure about PowerA controllers. Every review on Amazon seems to indicate they break within a few months. My own Fusion Pro lasted like 4 months. Compare that to a cheapo Fantech and a 360 clone controller I bought from my local market, they're going strong for a year+. Besides the back button on the spectra infinity only has 2 buttons.
The AI function is good for performing various actions in different titles. IE: Watering numerous crops and patting your livestock in Stardew Valley, building a ridiculous building quickly in Fortnite and performing combos in Mortal Kombat. The usage is stellar, actually.
I was definitely going to buy this controller about a month back when ETAprime uploaded his video on it but I opted for preordering the 8bitdo Ultimate controller ($70 version) that comes with hall effect sensors as well. I would love to see you guys review it once it releases!
@@Eighttroy19 if you read their replies to this question on Amazon they say they do but in an unconventional way. Instead of a button, you'll shake the controller or something and that motion will wake the switch. We still have yet to see it in action but it's a promised feature
5:27 "I hate the XBOX controller shoulders, they are so uneven" This is the most understated thing in all of gaming currently. I returned the controllers twice thinking "a first party controller wouldnt be like that"
Definitely wasn't expecting it to be only $70.
I was surprised too. It looks like it is competitive on quality, exceeds on features, and the price is in line with first party controllers. Seems like a no-brainer. I sold all my consoles last year, otherwise I would certainly order one.
Same here. I feel like Xbox controllers are on sale a LOT so maybe they're built cheaper.
Only???
8BitDo is releasing a controller which uses Gulikit's Sticks next week for $70 as well. Better deal IMO if you live somewhere where the King Kong Pro 2 is also $70. It has 2 rear paddles, a 2.4GHz dongle (as well as bluetooth) and a charging dock. You have to specifically buy the one which is for Switch and Windows though, they are releasing Windows only and wired only versions as well, but those use normal sticks.
@Slurup Maloha doesn’t mean that it’s cheaper, EVRY currency has different values.
The Dreamcast used Hall effect for it’s sticks. That’s why they felt so smooth and generally still work today if they’re clean
same with DS3 with the no contact / magnetic sensors. These big companies just want to screw customers over with their controllers that wouldn't last a year or two.
If my joycons start drifting again I might get buy their joycon stick replacement kit
I've just bought some magnetic hall effect sensors to build into my Xbox Series X Controller. I love modding lol.
Might make a video showing how to do it when i get it done.
@@circuit10 Sadly joycons are a pain in the ass to disassemble. Did it once to convert my switch to clear atomic purple casing and yes it looks great but man was it a pain. Not going there again and I would describe myself as relatively competent when it comes to electronics repair. Nothing for newbies for sure.
@@LorikQuinn cool bro
I have been using the last gen controller. For literally thousands of hours. 0 problems. In a game where you have to do a repetitive "grinding" task like go to point a to b over and over, the autopilot is freaking amazing. I put the controller in the case it came with every night, approx. 300 or so times, hinge is still intact. I have zero complaints really. The price/performance is freaking awesome.
i wish sony would make a high quality controller like this. every ps4 controller i'll had gets analog drift within about 6 months, a couple maybe went 9 months. i would gladly pay $100+ for a sony controller with these sticks that apparently don't get this drift issue.
@@Jack_80 I have asked a couple makers about making a ps4 controller. Apparently they cant do the touch portion because of patents and whatnot. Sony holds the keys tight.
Why would you put it in the case every night? Because of dust or something? That's the only (reasonable and not ridiculous) reason I can think of
@@Xero026 Ya I have 2 cats, and why not? Makes less sense not to. I am not so lazy I cant be bothered to open a case lol
@@sloshappy2 I wish that patent gets unpatented
Apparently it's not just the sticks, but the triggers also employ hall effect instead of potentiometers. The official website mentions it for ZL and ZR as well.
On first party controller (At least Xbox ones) too
ps5 controller does this
@@PibePlayerthis is arguably worse, so they KNOW about the Hall effect sensors, and just don't use them on the joysticks.
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methinks they are maybe a bit addicted to replacement controller sales. >:/
@@tomspettigue8791of course they fucking know, Microsoft is a three trillion dollar company that has been making controllers for over 20 years now. I’m sure they’re aware of the superior joy stick technology that many have been asking them to use for years.
@@AM-gg4dz broken controllers=more sales
Fun fact: The dreamcast's contoller had this technology in the early 2000's, where the analog stick would activate magnets in the circut board, which could be used for an analog input depending on how strong the force was. The only reason why it wasn't popularized was because the dreamcast's sales fell short of competitors (n64, ps2)
Glad someone else knew about this too
I thought it was the Sega Saturn
I commented the same thing I am so glad someone else remembers
The Sega Saturn analogue controller used it as well. Sega also perfected the D-pad on the Saturn and for whatever reason manufactures have continued to ignore it.
@@Demon-D-King the sega saturn analog controller did have this technology too. But it wasn’t a standard controller sega issued as it was during the dreamcast era
I would love to see The Lab doing tests on controllers and their drift time and pressure to push down etc
Think Sony. Microsoft and Nintendo use the same brand, company and model of joysticks
@@Gobeman Almost everyone use joysticks made by Alps
@@Gobeman While correct, as time has proven even the design of a controller can cause joysticks to get worse, eg a shell that lets in more dirt or as with the joycons (seemingly this is still unknown atleast to me) incorrect mounting/pressure as a thin piece of cardboard can fix joycon drift for some reason, not always but it's something to look into
Is anyone else doing this? Would be amazing to see.
I don't think there are that many contorllers out in the wild to really make it make sense to test them. With keyboard yes, there are handrets of manufactures and even more series to choose from so consumer does need help. With controller I don't think so, at least not yet
A thing to keep in mind is their Quality Control. I bought this controller and I had severe input lags even in wired mode. I had to return it twice (they sent another one with the same issue but still very noticeable input lag) before receiving a non-defective one. And the input lags I experienced wasn't just milliseconds of delay, it was seconds to the point I could see the input was stuck in one direction while I was testing on gamepad-tester. Other than that, it's definitely a worth buy with such a cheap price but subjectively good to play with.
Edit : On top of the issue I had, there's also some complaints at my local shopping platform where some users experienced some issues on the buttons where they would be hard to press and/or stuck, as well as the analog stick having some form of friction (which they shouldn't, they're supposed to be very smooth). These issues could be from the molding injection defects where there's excess plastic on the parts, another TH-camr have made note of this when they disassembled it ( Link : th-cam.com/video/SLepubiTsEc/w-d-xo.html ).
That's pretty good to know.. I was considering jumping on this to try it out, but if they're having issues like that... I'd rather wait until they sort things out, rather not deal with the hassle of potentially multiple returns..
@@kryzethx Same.. If I am to change from going to a faulty Xbox 360 controller to a faulty Gullikit, then I am back to square one, having tried to go to an Xbox Series X/S elite controller and having it get sticky triggers shortly after a week.
Maybe I have that issue but I'm not sure. In normal cases I have no input lags. But when the battery is low in Bluetooth mode, it starts to get lagging. Sometimes when I play it wired, it connects to Bluetooth. And that's when I experience lagging when wired.
These days I play it laid back, Away from the PC. Always Bluetooth. With a type-c charger ready for any of my low battery devices. If it starts to lag, I plug it in to charge (not to PC) and things fine.
@@ilakya I contacted the support about and they said I should charge it to full and try again. It didn't work as I was still experiencing the severe input lags. Since you have no input lags except when your battery is low in Bluetooth mode then I guess you don't have that issue. My case was constant despite charged to full and going wired over bluetooth.
I bought one of these for my Switch and PC after watching this. In the 4 months I've had it I've PUNISHED this thing with hours of Ace Combat 7 play and I've neither noticed nor had any problems in that time.
update?
yeah update us how’s it holding up after a year or so now? i need to know for stick drift especially i bed of you 😫
update please. Need a new controller for rocket league
I'm so curious about how things worked out over time. Please drop a reply here and it will go a long way to help several of us here. Thanks!
Yo, check em notifications dawg!
They should be putting out joycon replacement sticks soon with the Hall Effect sensor in it. I'm pumped for that.
Same, been asking them about it and they said they'll announce it on their Twitter when they do. Got a pair of joycons waiting for the transplant
@@kyle1elyk I was told that are shooting for mid October but that was like 2 months ago.
I wonder if it's that feasible. The Joy-Con sticks aren't that high on the body of the controller, so if it needs some room, the miniaturisation (which have been the ones that have made the issue stem for so long) might not be very feasible.
That would be awesome
@@J_Sparrow agreed.
Heard about the Guilikit controller earlier this year. Funny when you mentioned about the friction at around 7:55, because there's another TH-camr who opened up the controller and noticed in the molding at the base that there's a bit of a piece of plastic sticking out. He just sanded it down until it was smooth. He even reached out to the vendor of his findings.
Who made the video? I'm gonna get one and wanna know what I'm in for.
Who made it?
Who made that video
person who made the video: Kei's Retro Gaming
@@willwastaken any reason why?
Fun fact: The Dreamcast controller had a magnetic analog stick over 2 decades before this controller! Dreamcast was decades ahead of its time!
It's not just Dreamcast. Every analog stick from N64 up to Dual Shock 3 used Hall Effect sensors. Switching to Potentiometer sensors is a relatively recent change.
@@Likuzaim is that why my ps3 controller can get really dusty but has never had controller drift? Ps4 controller gets any slight dust inside the sticks and all of a sudden starts moving on its own.
@@danwarb1 I meant to add that in, but I didn’t know the Saturn’s controller name. (It had 2 controllers, one w/o an analog stick and the other w/ one)
This was the best controller ever, and it's not even close.
@@Likuzaim Um, no. N64 had an optical based joystick, it's basically the same setup as the old PC mice with the ball had inside. N64 controllers didn't drift but would mechanically wear out and get floppy. I don't know about Dual Shock 3 but Dual Shock 1 and 2 were potentiometer based.
I remember when RC controllers got hall sensors for the sticks. It was a game changer for drone racing.
Yep, now it's pretty much the norm, even new entry-level controllers have hall-effect gimbals.
Next up, game controller enthusiasts are going to discover the joy of damping grease ! (to be fair, it's already common for flight-simmers to lubricate their joysticks with Nyogel 767A & co)
@@triggermovies I would assume that lubricating reduces wear?
Please note that the joystick for this hand is electromagnetic, but the problem is that the vertical speed is not equal to the horizontal speed, that is, the normal joystick, the vertical and horizontal speed are exactly equal
A game changer? Seriously?
@@itsallsobothersome4537 boom boom
Potentiometers dying is a big issue with gamecube controllers too, you will hear horror stories about the PoDE (Potentiometer Degradtion Effect, iirc) in some of their controllers from smash players and how they're always buying either expensive controllers or buying a million controllers. I'm really happy that Hal Effect controllers are becoming a thing and I hope more controllers come out with them :)
God imagine the market if GuliKit somehow made hall effect stick replacements for Gamecube controllers
Becoming a thing again. Old consoles like the Dreamcast used Hall effect joysticks; potentiometer sticks is just pure planned obsolescence.
recently scored a lightly used GC controller for 25 bucks. Joystick is basically brand new. Life is good.
@@Luteloots there is a hall effect controller called the PhobGCC project
literally this
i got so sad when they said it has turbo / macros because this could be the phob level controller for procon players but affordable
when the dualsense edge was announced, i emailed gulikit about hall effect replacements for the joysticks and they said they'd do it if given the chance! needless to say i'm excited
Plus 1 on that, can't wait to see more controllers to have these hall effects stick boxes.
yeah Sony is 100% gonna try to sue them for that. Doubt Sony would win, but hopefully the threat doesn't make them back down.
@@Volker_A4 dunno if there's actual grounds to sue, considering the joysticks are replaceable and such. but it's sony we're talking about so it's most definitely in the realm of possibility
For $200 I hope the thing comes with hall effect sticks from factory.
their support is really decent tbh.
For the GK KK3 they should have a stick / dpad arrangement you can flip around, and have different USB-attached radios you can attch so instead of shoehorning compatibility for almost everything inside of the controller body, they can have the external radio permit for different firmware to use with other consoles.
If they go that approach, they could either have the radio sticking out of the controller, or to make it look _sleek_ they can have it stuck inside with a switch-style lever to disconnect and protrude the radio for ease of replacement, and tinkerers will definitely find other uses for them.
Future replacement face button caps should either be magnetic, or barring that go full techie and use monochromatic e-ink displays. All of these changes would probably bump the cost up to $140 but remember, you're buying this _for life._ There's no reason why not to shoot for the moon and create the ultimate controller.
I have two of these. They are great. Battery life is good, and the analogs feel amazing. The buttons are good too. The old case that came with the older KingKong was better than the cheap clamshell. (I broke the original kingkong but it was good, spilled liquid on it and lost the ( - ) button when I reassembled it after cleaning.)
Can it wake the Switch from sleep?
@@calibrono I have only used it on pc but on a review i saw they said it does
@@calibrono i have it , yes it does but you need to turn on the controller first then press the home button to wake it up
How are the abxy buttons on it compared to the xbox controller? I find the xbox buttons too hard and clicky.
I have one of these and it’s fucking died after 2 months
Something worth knowing about this controller - If you have experience with custom keyboards, you can open this up, open the abxy switches up, rotate the internal component and lube them and it creates an excellent linear switch. I don't recommend this to people who don't like to open up their electronics, but it is honestly pretty easy to do and it is a huge improvement from the stock buttons which feel like they almost stick because the tactile bump is so big.
nice call out
you got a video for that?
@@clydefrosch unfortunately, no. There are some teardown videos of the controller though. if you can follow those videos then you should be able to open the switches themselves up. That part is much easier than opening up the controller itself.
Buyer beware: these controllers have some really neat features, but in my experience and many others, GuliKit doesn’t have their QC quite down yet (at least they didn’t about two months ago). Sticky buttons, molding defects on the sticks, and sticky triggers (I wanted this for Splatoon soo much) seem to show up quite frequently in reviews.
I also experienced this, was able to fix the issues with manual repair- but not for everybody.
I have one with a sticky button and another one which sometimes keeps connecting and disconnecting when turning it on wired to my computer via USB. Sometimes the problem goes away by just unplugging OTHER devices from other USB ports. Sometimes it doesn't. Very weird. It's such a shame cause they're great controllers otherwise.
Got mine month ago, no issues. It's just perfect. Also i did not notice any input lag people blaming this controller for. 😍
Most of it is easily fixable with some sanding (the controller is one of the easier that I've opened too). My issue is that the mechanical buttons themselves are similar to mechanical keyboard switches but nowhere as high-quality; the 'clickiness' comes from two plastic fins grinding against two plastic tabs inside and this design gives it a weird amount of resistance that some players might find awkward and even 'sticky'.
For people who find that the buttons are hard to press down and/or are sticky, I highly recommend giving them the same treatment as you'd give mechanical keyboard switches: open them up and lubricate the insides. They then turn into some of the best buttons I've ever tested.
Glad i seen your comment about these issues. Had a look at another review and he had a sticky spot caused by bad cleanup of the gate to the mold of the analogue stick. He sanded it off and fixed it. I have bought one of these controllers just now so i guess we will see how i go, if to many issues ill just get a refund.
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Received my controller a few days ago and so far I'm loving it. Using it a few hours every night after work. When I touched the triggers and analogue sticks for the first time I was like Morty when he experiences true level.
I have a new patent of the gulikit kk2 pro, and it's nice to see that they touched on some of the issues linus covered. The d-pad feels excellent compared to other 1st party controllers, and it seems they added something to the joysticks to prevent the edge from being so rough.
This controller is a winner in my book!
you mean they made a new version of it? Like it's called the same but it's improved?
I'd like to know this too!
@@schalomforeverI just bought one to be delivered tomorrow. Will verify and report back to you!
@@halfcabkrooksthis comment didn’t age well…
@@halfcabkrooks how is it?
I have one of these controllers and have been quite happy with it; almost all of the review here is spot-on. As some others have mentioned, GuliKit appear to have a few QC issues but nothing fatal; in my case I had a tiny bit of left-over plastic flashing on one of the triggers that was causing it to catch on the housing sometimes, but thankfully the controller is easy to take a apart and service and a few seconds with a mini file was all it took to clean it up and it's flawless now.
Internally, the controller is very well designed as well and I expect it to last for a long time. It's such a relief to finally get away from potentiometer-based analog sticks.
i actually got one of these a few weeks back and i love it. They didn't open the controller so you don't see it but the battery is super easily swappable. Take the back shell of and you have direct access to the battery just unplug it and slap in a new battery and you're good to go.
This controller got some "somewhat" big issues with inputs and delay, wouldn't pick it up for fighting games.
Hey Robbaz! How are you doing?
Where are the videos Robert!!!
Robert stop slacking
I can verify with latency issues in Bluetooth mode. As for wired, it has variation that I can't nail down the average.
Damn, and thus the quest for a non-drift stick continues.
Do remember to set the left stick sensitivity to level two, in order to have square diagonals (needed for running instead of walking in diagonals on third person games).
Also, in order to use the triggers in analog mode you can only do that on Xinput mode, which disables the Home and Capture buttons and the gyro.
You can't use both gyro, Home, Capture and analog triggers at the same mode because of pattented APIs from Microsoft (Xinput) and Nintendo (Switch Mode), they can't be modded. It's never a controller fault.
Whats the input for this? I just got this controller and realized I had trouble getting it to sprint
@@michealhawk4939
It's on the manual guide.
I think it's hold "cog icon button" + click left joystick. Then test on a square stick tester to see if the diagonals are getting full position.
This controller is amazing, smooth sticks, good weight on hand, and versatile. The latest firmware is almost flawless and battery lasts super long.
The mechanical face buttons can have binding issue but I managed to disassemble and lubricate the mechanism with slightest amount of grease, and have zero problem ever since. Gulikit somehow decided bare plastic with 0 lubricant is the best for their mechanical buttons.☹
However, fixing these are relatively easy, it should last long enough and worth the hassle.
Edit: Here is a video of how to tear down the controller and lubricate the face buttons
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What kind of lubricant and was it hard to disassemble to lube ?
@@CannabisCrusade disassemble is rather simple, unlike first-party controller. There is no ribbon cable or anything that can break easily. I use general purpose bearing grease but dedicated mechanical keyboard lube should be better.
@@yonggor I'm going to need to try that. My A button started binding within an hour. Sigh
For anyone else having this issue (which so far was my only complaint), @yonggor seems to be right that some lubrication fixes it. I used graphite, just pencil dust and pushing the button a lot until it freed up.
Squeaks a bit now, but at least it doesn't seem to be binding.
why are you lying?
You know, being able to record up to 10 minutes of inputs could be really useful for benchmark runs that have to be manually done because the game doesn't have it's own test. Just start up the game, load from a save file, and then run the command while recording your frametimes and fps.
I think that's a great idea. It would need to be a game setup where random events don't cause variability in results such as enemies spawning in at different times and locations
Agreed
I've tried scripting things like this for benchmarking but in a lot of cases, there's a small amount of error in how the game responds to the scripted inputs and over a few minutes the errors add up and sometimes completely break the scripted run. Works a lot better in retro games with very stable framerates
Couldn't you just use macro recorder for this?
@@kendokaaa It's likely down to either frametime variation or floating point inaccuracy, or both. The latter is an inherent issue with how computers handle decimal points, and we've been so unable to solve it that no programmer in their right mind should allow floating point numbers into financial programs. There are workarounds, sometimes. In the case of graphical functions, many calculations involve these slightly inaccurate numbers. Nobody cares if the model is a pixel off in a frame or two. It's definitely a case of "good enough," and some things run faster with less accurate numbers.
My personal experience is pretty damning. I was making a program and defined a variable as 2.0. I then hovered over it in the code editor, and the tooltip told me it was 2.0004. What. Imagine that, but then you throw cosmic bit flips into the equation. There's a solution for that too, but Intel decided a long time ago that shouldn't be a general consumer feature.
In short, the average home PC is likely not perfectly accurate. Engineers pay extra for more stable hardware, but even then the program has to be designed a little different for maximum accuracy.
I have worn down 4 hall effect flight joysticks physically (hardened/cracked plastics, broken buttons, broken throttle sliders). In all of them, after everything else falls apart; the accuracy/precision of the hall sensor (after more than 10 years of continue using) is still as good as the day I brought them. So, it is not going to last "much longer", it is going to last as long as the plastic parts still holds. In other word, you can grind the joystick down to dust, but the sensory will never fail or weaken over time.
Which is still much longer than the 6 months to 2 years for potentiometers depending on use.
AGO1 gimbals.
which is why there's full metal joysticks which cost like 100 bucks each
though you can find some decent metal joysticks for cheaper.
personally I never had drift problems on older gamepads like the dualshock 2, though I actually severed a plastic stem at some point because of the metal on plastic friction.
I'm pretty sure drift wouldn't be a thing if they had slightly better quality joysticks. though obviously hall effect and optical switches are still the best in terms of reliability.
a great way to get rid of mechanical drift is to have a small spring detent in the middle, avoiding the joystick from wandering around.
though the problem would also be solved by having easily replaceable joysticks. use inserts and machine thread screws, and have the joysticks on a secondary pcb. don't tell me the extra 2 bucks can't be put in a fucking 70 bucks gamepad.
@@satibel
me neither, PS controller potential meters are extremely durable, even the ones on PSP. XBOX 360, Logitech, Seitek potential meters, however, are another story. Wrap some Plumber's Teflon tape on the mini joystick neck can protect it from machinal wearing. But it won't work on long flight sticks, as the material fatigue will cause micro-fractures to appear over time. (e.g. TM 16000M)
so 3d print one
I've been looking for videos and comments about this controller since last week. They solved the drifting issue but the controllers has lots of other ones. The one I saw the most was the face buttons getting stuck. Also, lots of people complained about the lag using bluetooth and, apparently, updating it may not solve the issue. The bumper and trigger lose their color with time.
After some thought, I decided for the 8bitDo Ultimate Bluetooth controller, that's not perfect but gets the job done better for me.
These are absolutely on my holiday wish-list. I have their sticks in my Steam Deck, and it's wild how much better joystick cursor emulation is when you can set the deadzone to zero.
You have their sticks in your steam deck? Do you still get the same touch recognition as the factory sticks?
@@mycelialgoddess No (I have the MDHA Steam Deck controllers), but I also think cap sensors to activate gyros is a really stupid bind, so even if Gulikit offers me a replacement, I don't think I'll bother. IIRC Linus didn't even bother soldering the wires in his upgrade.
@@mycelialgoddess You can have the same touch recognition if you solder the existing joystick cover to the Gulikit ones. From what I've heard, the soldering job isn't that difficult. Honestly, most people can live without the functionality.
@@GSBarlev i love the fact that there are cap sensors, but I cant for the life of me justify using it to activate gyro over L4 or 5.
Maybe if the gripped ridge was bigger on the top so you can pull the stick down eithout activating it would be better, but as-is I feel like Im losing my mind trying to use the stick without activating gyro lol
@@mycelialgoddess yes they do. You have to desolder the wire that connects the joy touch on the stick caps from the original sticks then solder them in place on the new ones.
I think what I really want is just replacement hall effect sticks for first party contollers.
you do know that de-soldering and then soldering sticks is a pretty difficult job right?
@@vasopel It's really not. It's just daunting for first timers.
Most likely wont happen, theres a difference in voltage that a drop in replacement that isn't modular wont exist
@@vasopel Not that difficult, plus most are just ribbon cables and a couple screws
they do make replacement Steam Deck ones
The GuliKit sticks for my steam deck have been really great. I was able to crank the dead zones way down. Pretty easy installation.
The GuliKit sticks for my Steam Deck haven't been great at all. While the lack of dead zone is great, mine reach their greatest value before the end of the stick travel is reached. So only 2/3rd of the stick do something, and beyond that it just reports max value. It is a common defect and lots of people have issues with it. Such a shame.
7:05 Dbrand has an amazing sense of humor they don't care about the how you sponsor them they just want to torture you 🤣🤣🤣 i love them
durability is what matters the most to me. I had so much hopes in the excessively expensive elite , but it looks like I could have found my final choice for a while now. looks great
Did you miss the part where it doesn’t work with xbox
@@sirdiealot53 I don't have an Xbox, I game on PC. So I don't care
i just wish they offerd a model with a bit higher quality materials like metal triggers and a nice case
@@XAV-117 because they earn more money that way, like planned obsolescence or the fact that phone batteries used to be removable but now its not
@@XAV-117 "Phone batteries not being removable though is understandable with wireless charging and water resistance."
Wireless charging is only available on top of the line phones so no it's not because of that and it's even less because of water resistance because casing is what is important for water resistance(GoPro is not water resistant but if you put it in water resistant case it "magickly" becomes water resistant). Phone batteries not being removable is because of planned obsolescence and not because of wireless charging and water resistance.
I've had one of these for a few months now. Absolutely love it and maybe the best controller I've used, especially as its possible to set the dead zone to basically nothing.
I even got mine for around $45USD.
Couple of notes though, when I first opened mine I got a very small fiber of plastic stuck in my finger, from the carry case.
The sticks are very light to use, as are the triggers. If you're used to a xbox or ps controller you will push them too far to start with.
I also had to take it apart and shave a small piece of plastic off of one of the joysticks because on the inside it was rubbing against something inside, stopping me from being able to move forward fully - it was very easy to do and maybe took 10 mins tops, but that was also trying to find out what was wrong (I've since seen this is the case for a couple of other people online too).
Also I noticed the battery is easily replaceable as are a lot more of the internal components.
I was just about to buy this, so this was a fun surprise to see a reputable reviewer cover it.
I would look at actual reviews first, Short Circuit does unboxing not reviews. Most things will look good if u only spend 10 mins with it.
The 8bitDo ultimate controller comes out in a few days and also has a Hall effect joysticks if you don’t want to buy from some random Chinese company.
@@ReEnaCtCky Thanks for the tip! I haven't heard of that before, so I'll definitely be checking it out.
@@ReEnaCtCky and 8bitDo is from Hong Kong
6:08 I actually love the mouse-click-like ABXY buttons on controllers. They just feel more responsive
7:40 "No one here is an idiot. It's just a misunderstanding" what a nice guy ♥
I've been using BW100 to spray and clean my controller joysticks when stick drift occurs. It's a quick and pretty reliable fix. Of course It will be inevitable that I will eventually have to replace the physically worn joysticks but my oldest Xbox One controller of 8 years is still kicking strong in the hands of my kids.
They might still be kicking, but if you use the controllers your kids have, vs a new series X pad youll definitely feel the difference in quality. At the very least, the silicone pads between the buttons and PCB on the original XBONE controllers are weak material, that often breaks around the rim of the button contact, making them feel very mushy, and sometimes even stick in the "down" position for too long. I had this issue with 2 xbone pads that were completely babied. Its not a matter of mis-treatment.
Are you removing the joy sticks or are you just spraying into them??
Please, please just use isopropyl to clean the potentiometers.
@@Ironchinian on the regular controllers I'm removing the face plate and pulling off the thumb sticks to spray as I move the exposed thumbsticknaround. I have had my first official thumbstick bite the dirt about a month ago where I will have to replace the thumbstick but our of like 10 controllers not too bad
@@NintenJoe And is cleaning them going to do anything for physical wear of the material itself? At least from my understanding, if I'm getting this at all.
I'm really interested to see a comparison between this controller and the soon to be released 8Bitdo Ultimate Controller Bluetooth version. Currently, they're the only reliable brands with hall effect sticks and are priced similarly.
The 8bitdo will actually be using joysticks provided by GuliKit, so they will likely be very similar.
I might have to go with the 8Bitdo one. They've yet to let me down.
@@charredolive It seems like they might, though. They have 2 paddles, but also have very barebones support with windows. This is because the 8bitdo needs a receiver to work on Windows unlike the Gulikit. It also isn't compatible with android or MacOS natively. The things it has going for it are the paddles, Ultimate remapping software, and the d-pad. I'll still wait to see a comparison between the two, but I think I might have to go with the Gulikit KingKong 2.
@@nikopierrot it's 2.4 g compatible so tbh that's more than enough for a controller
@@nikopierrot if it has an x input, it will work on iOS natively because it would be looked at as an Xbox controller which is natively supported. Not sure about android but I will assume the same.
Holy Jesus! I just bought one and got it today as soon as I opened the box and felt the controller you can already tell the quality of this controller. I've played a few hours and this has changed my perspective about 1st party controllers. GuliKit I give you props, thanks for the recommendation Linus!
I returned mine. They use the Japanese layout which I prefer but they don't offer any way to swap what Windows sees as the buttons. So if anyone is like me and sees an 'A' on their screen and instinctively presses 'A' it is frustrating to have it input a B. I was trying to force myself to get used to it but after 7 hours and 50% of my button pressing being mis-inputs I had enough. No value in a durable controller if I can't even play a game on it.
@@SirNarax They sell very affordable button replacements. Some controllers even come with them.
And if you mean the X-Input layout, can't you just modify your games' settings to accommodate?
@@Gortall No, I can not. Changing the controls in game doesn't solve the problem just inverts it the other way. Since the button displayed on the controller is not what the game sees.
I returned mine because not only was that a pretty significant issue but it also just didn't even work at all. It randomly pressed buttons or completely missed inputs. For a controller who's selling point is primarily durability arriving broken is a no-go.
@@SirNarax Back to my first point then. They sell buttons for the Xbox mapping, with A at the bottom.
@@Gortall Well I do actually prefer the Japanese layout and a meer button swap wouldn't solve the problem completely only remove the discontinuity. Plus why would I invest time or money into a controller that arrived to me broken when their primary selling point was durability? Very basic controllers can at the very least actuate buttons correctly out of the box.
I've had this controller as a tester since prelaunch and I love it and case has had no issues and still going strong. I could add a hole for power but this thing lasts so long on one charge. I have also replaced my joycon joystick with the Gulikit Hal Effect stuff
I bought one of these for Switch a few months ago, mainly looking for a controller that felt like a pro controller but also didn't have an absolutely terrible dpad. Glad to see you cover it, it's a pretty nice controller. I want to buy a second and the swappable buttons so it'll have a xbox style layout and be more natural for PC gaming.
I have been using a PS4 controller as my main PC controller, and honestly, most of the time it's seen as an Xinput via Steam. So in all honestly, it doesn't matter if the face buttons are correct, you get used to the button positions which all the major controllers are the same regardless, face buttons mean very little.
@@KeithEngel I think it's a personal preference thing. My brain sometimes gets confused if they don't match. I played some rhythm games in the past using a PS4 controller on Steam and not being able to switch the button symbols really messed with me.
@@KeithEngel yeah, it's easy to ignore the PS buttons since they are basically half symbols - but when B is A and A is B it gets really confusing really quick.
I really miss the wii u pro layout, with the joysick above the abxy. It was a mirror of the default xbox layout and the only nintendo controller I could switch between without needing to re-learn my muscle memory every time.
@@DavidFrostbite Yet if the controller is going to be used as Xinput, the B will be A regardless and the A will be B regardless because that is how the inputs are mapped. So basically I don't even look at the face buttons, for me anymore it's just automatics that bottom button is A, right button is B, Top Button Y, and left button is X. Muscle memory is muscle memory, symbols on the screen are what is important and remember were those inputs are regardless what's on the face of the controller.
Does gyro works on switch just like the pro?
I actually picked up this controller a couple weeks ago. I'm loving it so far! My xbox series x controller I use for pc got drift literally 1 month after the 1 year warranty expired, so I bought this specifically for the hall sensors. No more drift for me.
Do you know if it can connect to Microsoft's wireless controller adapter on windows?
@@EasTetris i dont believe it can. I've been using it on bluetooth though and the connection has been flawless
@@realtayo42 oh, I see. Thank you!
Mine got drift a couple of months after I bought the series s. Unfortunately, Microsoft warranty didn't help.
They should really make one with 4 rear paddles like the elite controller.
Yeah, if they make one with more buttons I will buy it. I already have an overpriced razer controller lol
I will buy if it gets 4 rear paddles
Having 3 Elite/2 controllers get stick drift... im not getting another. The most recent one is 2 months old! Would hop on this if it had 4 paddles on the back. Without those paddles, this is a pass though.
@@EMU1 if it’s that new Microsoft will fix it or send you a new one under warranty. I can’t remember what my exact issue was with one I had but they made it right.
Edit: are you bottoming out dead zones?
Hell yes, that'd be perfect.
Bought this controller based on this and other reviews, is as good as they say, it feels really good, all the materials and the quality of the buttons and joysticks is phenomenal, i really cant state how good compared to an actual xbox controller is and it works seamless on windows
The minute they offer a controller with back paddles I'm gonna have to scoop one up. I'm glad there's a company working on solutions to stick drift.
there's 8bitdo ultimate controller
Get the 8bitdo ultimate then. The bluetooth variant of it also offers hall effect sensors.
@@vianmaro6732 I'm contemplating between the two. Could you share like a quick list of tradeoffs between the two? Thanks btw!
@@dillonmarius306 Sure! Where would you use it? On your switch, mobile, or PC? Because I own both Gulikit Kingkong 2 pro and 8bitdo Ultimate BT variant (not to be confused with the 8bitdo Ultimate NON BT variant, with only 2.4ghz connectivity), and I mainly use them on my PC.
- If you want a charging dock: go for the 8bitdo ultimate. Regardless of variant (BT or 2.4ghz), they offer charging dock which is neat because it also stores the 2.4ghz dongle you use to connect to PC.
The Gulikit also have one but is a separate purchase, and the design does not compare to 8bitdo's charging dock which also act as its stand.
- Both controller (KK2 pro and Ultimate BT) have hall sticks sensor. Beware of the BT ultimate non BT variant as it only have the potentiometer joystick.
-Both joystick have 0 deadzones mode but needs to be turned on. The 8bitdo has its own software, which I will mention later. While the Gulikit can be turned on with a combination of button. Between the two, i feel like the 8bitdo is much more accurate that Gulikit. But maybe it's only because of:
-Latency issues. While on PC, i connect the 8bitdo via 2.4ghz. While the Gulikit is only via BT connection. I feel a little latency on Gulikit, and is also a known issue already on internet by most user. I dont have any latency issues on the 8bitdo one. My Gulikit often disconnects and also worsens input lag if you're a few meter away from the PC.
-Customizable: The 8bitdo ultimate has its own "ultimate software" that you can use to set your button bindings, macro, deadzones, etc. While the Gulikit ones only have a set of button combos/instruction on how to set a certain action (Example: setting no deadzone mode is 'gearbutton' + 'minus' button).
- Android compatibility: I dont own a switch so I can only judge the two on PC and mobile android. I cannot connect the 8bitdo Ultimate BT on my mobile phone and it is a known issue. Even though connecting it via 2.4ghz or BT, no luck. My phone can pair it via BT but does not register any inputs. While the Gulikit works flawlessly on my android phone. Tried it on deadcells and call of duty mobile.
- Feel while holding: I prefer holding the Gulikit. Its shape and looks looks similar to Xbox' controllers and feels better when held than 8bitdo. Maybe because of 8bitdo's shape which is a more straight on its side.
-Buttons and trigger: Buttons, i prefer the 8bitdo. My Gulikit already have a sticky 'A' button only on 2 months of use. And my 8bitdo is much older with 5 months of use already. Meanwhile on trigger and shoulder: I prefer the Gulikit one. Its trigger is easier to trigger because it has a less travel time to be 100%. Also the RB/LB buttons have a clickier sounds. While on the 8bitdo, the triggers need more push to be 100% input.
This is my take on the both controllers. I love them both because they are my first premium controller coming from fake xbox 360 controller which only cost around 7$.
Tell me if you have any more specific questions between the two and i will glady answer you. I hope I can help you decide on which one you should get.
this solution isn't really new lmao, it's just microsoft, sony and nintendo literally don't give a shit about bettering their controllers' durability-wise
Updated info, it's been rebranded to the GuliKit Zen Pro and can be bought at Target, it also addressed your concern about the edge of the joystick being rough
I love the dbrand sponsored interactions between the two of you
i have been a big fan of 8BitDo for my switch and also Emulators. I have the 8BitDo SN30, Pro 2 and Ultimate. My main go-to is the 8BitDo Ultimate. Everyone was telling me i have to go with the Gulikit KK2, so i ordered one. It's a nice controller, but i still think the 8BitDo Ultimate is better. It also has Hall effect joysticks. I like the 8bitdo better because it comes with a charging dock with pogo connectors, the controller also does switch, xbox, PC, Android and iOS. Another nice thing is it connects either Bluetooth, wired or 2.44GHz vis a usb dongle. The Dock also acts as a passthrough for either 2.4GHz connectivity or wired. The + and - (Start and Select) are also in better more conventional spots especially when it comes to muscle memory. The one nice thing i do like about the Gulikit KK2 Pro are the clicky shoulder buttons. Other than that, they're both nice controllers, but for me, it's the 8BitDo Ultimate!
just bought one a few weeks ago and I'm loving it. literally did not expect Linus to review it lol
Reminds me a bit about how crossfaders for music equipment became contactless many years ago. Good to see this development.
You know who did this before? Sega. The Dreamcast and the Saturn 3D controllers used this tech and iirc for both the sticks and analogue triggers, you can buy an old DC controller today and works like a charm, except for the fact the joystick itself is quite plasticky and slippery but the precision you get is really impressive after all these decades
fact is sega has failed miserably
it's a history now. no need looking back, technology moving forward, failure left behind
@KabutoRyu why do you write like a bot?
It was the housing that was cheap plastic so it dud still act like newer controllers in that regard
@@KabutoRyu Clearly someone looked back and thought it was excellent to use which dismisses your claim. Best of luck to you in life.
@@MarionetteKazuko a failure still a failure no matter u said how beautiful sega is
Programmable sequences was a feature on an old Sega Genesis controller I had. You could use it for anything, but doing particularly hard moves in fighting games was probably it's best application. Just program it once, then press one button to execute the sequence. It was a little slow in execution though, I'm sure it's way better now.
I actually have this, and it's amazing so far there are no stick drift issues and the buttons just feel soo good. texture is great for grip and no fingerprints!!
There's definitely fingerprints, wrong move
If they made a version with rear buttons like scuff / elite controllers have I would 100% buy one
Yep, same here. I've gotten too used to having the rear buttons now
you might want to look at the 8bitdo controller then. it's similar to this one (a little worse) but it has two back buttons. idk if that's what you want.
@@GraveUypo This one doesn't have hall effect analog sticks.
@@DrakyHRT The switch version does
Yup I thought the same thing. If this had back buttons I would have already ordered one to try it out. The Microsoft Elite controllers are junk the Thrustmaster eSwap X Pro I'm already on a second set of thumbsticks on it after a year to 9 months of use. The Turtle Beach Recon Controller after 2-3 months of use I'm already sending it back to them for a replacement for drift issues so that's exactly why I'm here reading reviews on this controller. I'm so damn sick of drift it isn't funny!
I was always dissatisfied that joystick have been almost identical the last several generations.
One small detail that always bugged me is how the opening for the joystick never has a better/smoother bevel and your joystick always ends up with a very sharp line indentation after some time
The old sega’s dreamcast controller uses the same method for their analog stick. There are some flight stick controllers by many manufacturers that also uses them, but weirdly enough, that’s a trend manufacturers sadly walked away from, probably for cost savings. I believe eventually they’ll come back to it, if it is made known among their consumer base, because it makes up for a much MUCH better controller in more aspects than just the durability.
I guess they rather want consumers to BUY NEW controllers instead
PS3 too, if I remember correctly. And by now basically all RC plane/drone remotes that aren't garbage tier.
I love my KingKong 2 Pro controller. It is the only controller I use with my Switch since I got it. I even use it on my PC quite often. If only it had and back buttons. Good thing there is the new 8bitdo controller coming out soon with those and it uses GuliKit's Hall Effect joysticks, at least in the higher end model.
Does it support Bluetooth?
@@olewornhat It will only support Bluetooth with the Switch. PC connectivity will be a 2.4ghz receiver, and it will not be compatible with Android. Which really kinda sucks because I would much love to have it work with my PC and Android phone via Bluetooth.
@@Digr2108 Thank you for replying. So it won't work with my Steam Deck unless it is docked and a receiver is plugged in.
Be interesting to see a long term use test on this, as amazon reviews on the US or UK site aren't as favourable as I'd hope...
I remember buying a razor controller a long time ago because it finally had all the features I'd ever wanted. It kept breaking until the warranty expired.
Not much to generalise from other than that I learnt there's a lot to be said for companies such as Microsoft and Sony who HAVE to produce a controller that at the very least meets a threshold level of reliability. They might not be perfect but at least they are mass produced effectively.
Dreamcast used this more than 20 years ago. Plenty of broken controllers for other reasons, but not stick drift. IDK about exactly this, but their controllers used magnets on a circuit board instead of potentiometers.
I would love to see you cover 8BitDo's new Ultimate bluetooth controller when it comes out. It comes with 2 back paddle buttons, remappable buttons via software, hall effect joysticks, and a charging dock and is only $70. It's already looking like a very competitive addition to the controller market. There is a bluetooth, wired and 2.4g version, so they have an option for everyone. You can get them in white or black.
8BitDo make some good controllers. I have a SN30 Pro+.
Just looked into this and there's a PC/Switch version, OR a PC/Android version. The bluetooth on the pc switch is only usable with the switch and not other devices. I'm going with a non-pro version of the Guli controller. We'll see how the 8bitdo fairs when it's released.
Gulikit actually provided 8bitdo with those joysticks
8BitDo's build quality and styling are really good, and their software is easy to use.
But you have to like the joystick placement. And I don't understand why they haven't released a controller with four back buttons.
Be aware that they are releasing 4 variants of the ultimate controller and ONLY the bluetooth variant will have hall effect sticks!
6:08. Yeah, i sure do remember them. My brother took that controller back within the next hour. The clickiness was so loud that that's all we could focus on while he played the game.
Very good hands-on. I pretty much determined the controller wasn't for me a minute and a half in, but the style of video kept me watching for an additional 5+ minutes. You guys are really good at what you do.
If you were to continue doing controller reviews, I would love to see you review the victrix gambit, I got it and feel like it is great, especially for repairability, and it has a ton of easy to switch accessories out of the box.
Have you had any issues with the xyba buttons jamming? I've had two of the gambit controllers and both have had those buttons jam..
Flydigi joysticks also looks good.
I haven't had mine for barely a year and already have crazy stick drift on the right stick. Had customer support send me instructions on how to update and reset the controller, but it seems that was only a temporary fix. Overall, I really do like the controller, but the way the sticks are made for pretty much every controller leaves a lot to be desired for sure
You know what I would love to see from this company a controller with paddles priced at near or the same price as the Xbox Elite controller. All that extra functionality but with the paddles would be INSANE to have. I know it's more geared towards Switch though so I understand why that may not be a development path they take
6:05 I love those buttons. :( I'm actually really bummed that Razer stopped replaced their back paddles with metal dome-like buttons instead of the clicky switches they previously had.They require way more force and are already starting to go bad/mushy on my Razer Wolverine Ultimate, while the ones on my Wildcat are still going strong while requiring very little force. If I could have a Wildcat with 6 programmable buttons and all clicky switches (and none of the weird green grip add-ons) it'd honestly be my dream controller.
Yeah tbh, I prefer some snap to my ABXY buttons. I hate when it feels like the button is just sinking into the controller under your thumb.
A pleasent surprise to see you covering this controller!
I've been using it for a couple of months now and it's held up really well and works perfectly on most android games!
How lucky the buttons on mine got stuck in 30 min.
And the replacement did the same thing.
@@lanceuppercut2204 there are guides that lossened the switches to make it feel like linear switches and also eliminate said problem
@@lanceuppercut2204 I think you should open the buttons and cut the part that makes it stuck, worked for me
depending on what materials your potentiometer uses it can also oxidize and skew the readout that way. My old DAC/AMP had a volume knob that was a poti, and every so often I had to violently crank the volume up and down and up and down a few times to scrape off the oxidation inside, otherwise I'd get crackling audio
huh... ive been having a similsr issue on my old DAC/AMP where the left channel would completely cut out unless i turn the knob up and down a couple times. do you think this could be one of the reasons?
A friend of mine talked about it and told me how good it was. I haven't pulled the trigger yet for myself, since my current controllers aren't that old nor in bad shape yet. But if Gulikit comes with the KingKong 3 Pro, with all the upgrades and fixes that people wants, I would instantly buy it. Even if it was 100 USD.
One year later of owning two of these. They are very good! I did order replacement ABXY buttons to swap the Switch layout to "normal" layout. Since I mostly use them on PC or on Apple TV with Steam Link (still PC)
with the dualsense edge coming out with replacable joysticks module i'm expecting gulikit to make the sparepart hopefully 🤞
Would love to see Lab validate the controls claim. Love the first glance of this controller.
What claim? That hall effect sticks last way longer than traditional ones? That is obviously true. If they are using neodymium magnets, they will last decades. The USB-C-port would break long before that.
@@-_-_-_-_ well I'd like to know if the battery stays charged for the specified amount of time. The durability of the buttons and bumpers. ( sure it felt good in the hands but so do rocks ) how accurate is the zero ded zone (bet it's good but don't know for sure) how well does the 10 minutes of APG recording do. How did switching between devices work what kind of latency it has compared to other mainstream controllers. That's just me thinking while I poop.
@@XQU2 Those might be really good things to test. I agree.
@@XQU2 But you said controls which got me confused. I'm sorry.
Haven't got this but i did replace my steamdeck sticks with gulikit sticks a few weeks back*
Have been very impressed with them so far. Does seem an upgrade, if not a huge one (but they should last longer :D)
*note, mostly to fix the faulty left stick i had, not for the hall-effect upgrade, that was just a bonus :P
Can the gulikit stick be fitted into an Xbox controller? Want to get the benefits of no stick drift but don't want to have to buy the wingman thing to use it on my console.
Dbrand sponsor spots is actually worth checking out when they are messing with Linus. I really like that relationship between them. Keep it up.
The bumpers on controllers that I use are consistently the first part to go out. I would love to see some LTT Labs reliability testing for controllers to put manufacturer's claims to the test!
me too. I play Rocket league at a high level and my bumpers get a work out. The broke on this controller after 45 days. they didn't offer refunds, and on support email actually told me i could take a microswitch from an xbox controller if i wanted to fix it!
Until i left them a bad review, then I got a replacement but after thorough testing in rocket league the controller still isn't good enough at high level. sticks are good but the rest is garbage. buttons stick, bumpers are mush, and triggers have half the travel of the xbox official. just too hard to control in high level competitive matches, probably fine for everything else. the only bumpers that haven't broke on me have been xbox series official controllers.
The gulikit kingkong 2 pro has extremely poor durability. Don't buy one.
@@BuzzaB77 Oh, this is great feedback. I play Rocket League at a GC2 level and I have gone through too many controllers because of bad bumpers or face buttons. I have already ordered this controller and I plan to try it out. I will likely return it if it doesn't work for me. Good to know that the official Xbox Series controllers are working good for you. It feels like no other esport wears on a controller like Rocket League does.
I have one of these, the stick was great, but a button started sticking on the come up. I opened it up to look and found the button had a bit of plastic poking off the edge of the bottom of it, and I had to smooth it down to fix it. Looking online I think Gulikits QC is lacking having seen similar complaints from others and for their older pads.
8Bitdo also has their own pad coming out this month that uses Hall Effect sensors, the same price but comes with a charging dock and it's both bluetooth and 2.4ghz, so that may be a better option if you are looking to spend money on a premium pad like this.
You seem to be very familiar with high end, aftermarket controllers.. what would you recommend for a DualShock 4/5 replacement, that has the same stick layout as Playstation? I love the DS5 but I got stik drift within a couple months of owning it. I'm going to try to fix it myself, first but if that doesn't work, I need a replacement. I actually wouldn't mind if it has a layout swap, between Xbox and PS style stick layouts. I use the PS style layout for Rocket League but Xbox controllers for racing games, etc.
thanks for the heads up, I was considering this controller but with everything you said I'll just wait for reviews on the 8bitdo controller
@@hhaste If you are on PC, the 8Bitdo Pro 2 or the Retrofighters Defender. The pro 2 is the better pad in most cases, has a swap-able battery, comes with software for configuration, has motion sensing and extra buttons on the back you can set to whatever you like. The defender is just a basic pad, but there isn't anything wrong with it though, it's comfortable, the sticks and triggers all feel very nice, and I personally think it has the better dpad.
..pad? Controller?
@@HearMeLearn The 8bitdo uses gulikit sticks.
Hopefully the 3 version of this will have all the good from this and maybe 2-4 back paddles as well!
I can't go back to not having my back paddle buttons. :( But hate my constant stick drift issues.
8bitdo is coming out with a pro gamepad by end of this month. I returned my KingKong2 because of the button stick issue that caused it to launch the A button out of the controller.
That would be awesome. I have one but have never used a controller with paddles before (I use keyboard and mouse 99.9% of the time so haven't had the need) but some of my pc games are either controller only or work better with a controller hence why I have one haha. Would love to use one that has paddles though so I can actually use more button inputs instead of my fingers just being idle wrapped around the controller lol.
I just want them to add xbox support and an aux port. i wanted to buy allready with the wingman XB but i also want to be able to connect my headset to it
Over 20 years after the Dreamcast, finally other console users get to enjoy the greatness of drift-free controller tech. Congrats.
Used one of these for mooooonths now. Paired with a converter dongle for XB/PS, this has replaced my Elite Series 2. Sticks are 90% of most games and even the good potentiometers in the Elites get deadzones quickly.
Is it the wingman xb/xe? What converter are you using? I'm planning to get one
@@-BarathKumarS The Wingman works just fine and is what I used for a while. I'm currently using a Xim so I can fine tune the gyro accuracy on a per-game basis (you the stuttering Linus is seeing is the baked-in deadzone of the game, and you can program it out with anti-deadzone code with the right tools).
@@CarbonOtter xim apex,you mean?
Will a cronus zen max also work similarly where i can adjust a deadzone and such?
please tell me more about that converter dongle, omg
@@-BarathKumarS I had a Cronus Zen that sadly died in a house fire. It works much the same as the Xim 4 it replaced. The Apex is essentially a Xim 5, just the newest model. They all use simple scripts to function, and I prefer the Cronus for the simpler programming for basic configs like deadzones--it works similar to a config file for a PC game.
It would be cool if pressure sensitive buttons came back like on the DS2 and 3. I enjoyed how they added some extra skills to the games like CQC in MGS3.
they had pressure sensitive buttons?
1:24 got me rethinking my life 💀
Actually bought this one because of your review. Turns out its ideal for my purposes. Thanks!
Have you tried playing Super Smash Bros or any FPS game with them? I'm interested in them as well, due to the joysticks, but I've read mixed reviews.
I've played that shock game before. I learned I was really good at ignoring the particular kind of pain that thing inflicts after a few tries. 🤣 When I would lose I'd just hang on to it and stare my opponents down.
we got a badass over here
@@5PYZ3R the alcohol helped 🤣
Also it doesn't really hurt that bad. It's more like a strong discomfort mixed with an almost buzzing tickle? It's really startling the first time you experience it. IDK how to explain it. You have to play it.
Cannot wait to see 8bitdo's take on it. To me, controller vibration and triger vibration are the things third partys failed to compete with. Backbutton is also quite an important feature.
Back buttons are so important!
The 8bitDo ultimate controller comes out in a few days and also has a Hall effect joysticks if you don’t want to buy from some random Chinese company.
They're also well known for making a replacement joystick for the Switch joycons that fixes drift permanently
at 13:10 Linus says he's going down more than he is coming. What a gentleman.
I'm glad I swapped out my steamdeck sticks for their hall effect ones. I was able to cut the dead zones by half after the swap and I could have gone further but I'm not used to such small deadzones 😀 I hope they make a Playstation style controller in the future.
Wow, I totally did not expect to see that gamepad here :D I've been using first iteration (KingKong) of the controller for about 2 years now and after few firmware upgrades it's basically flawless compared to what Xbox/PS gamepads offer and their pricing. It felt a bit like beta-testing in those first months of use before they fixed pairing or input lag but as for now I didn't find any bugs and they still improve that firmware regularly, adding more features. I was curious about the difference between KingKong and KK2 but maybe if i'll need another for my GF to play some coop games or if the pad dies somehow, i'll pick that newer one.
I love that it uses the same design profile of the newer Xbox controllers. In my opinion those have the best ergonomics, especially if you have big 'ol meat paws like I do.
This argument is entirely settled by if you use the D-Pad regularly. If you do, PS4 setup is better. If not, Xbox setup is better
I agree, natural thumb position is pointing up and not horizontal.
Couldn't disagree more. I still use an Xbox controller, since it was the easiest to connect to a PC and it hasn't died yet, but it feels borderline too small in my hands when coming back from using my Dualsense. It's like going back to my Switch from my Steam Deck, (which is why I had to get Hori Split Pad for the Switch). Usable, but very cramped by comparison.
With the Xbox controller specifically, the buttons and joysticks sit under my proximial phalanx (the closest segment to your palm), and the shoulder buttons and triggers sit under the middle phalanx. This is far from ergonomic.
With the King Kong 3 they added charging pass through into the case! They listened to you!!!
Wish the thing had back paddles on it like an elite because I’d be all over it. Now that I’ve become used to using the back paddles it’s going to be hard to use something else as efficiently
Check out the 8bitdo Ultimate that's coming out in the 28th, it has back buttons and it benefits from the hall effect sticks too.
@@ashyy6819 I have a current gen 8bitdo wired Ultimate Xbox controller and it does have the back paddles on it. It's an excellent controller. Do not believe it tobe Hall Effect like the upcoming controller, tho.
@@Mauser102 That model doesn't have the hall effect analog sticks but it's pretty great!
This looks really good.. I was already considering getting their replacement when my steam deck joysticks start going
Why wait for them to go?
@@EikottXD not a fan of wasting. If it is working why replace it?
Just got mine today so far so good, I love this controller the case it self wins in my books 😅
@@SolAndNat well it does explode open if you drop it so...
@@drunkpaulocosta then don't drop it
@@Dado_nastro then why have a case? If it can't withstand a drop it's redundant
@@o.o9709 not really the case is to protect buttons and joysticks when the controller is inside a bag.
@@Dado_nastro oh... ok i'll just NOT drop it then. This information is going to change my life dude.
My kids will be able to go to the finest school in all of Australialand and men will cross the street when they see me. As they dare not mess with me... For I do not make mistakes.
Lol i know you are a BOT NPC and the 28 assigned actions you do have, have a net probability of 100%. But for the rest of us things like this happen all the time with controllers and carry cases ect. A case should protect something.
I'm glad to see the face buttons are in their proper places(where they should have stayed since the SNES).
If it had symmetrical analog sticks(like the PS controllers) it would be the perfect controller.
Bought two pro controllers, I totally love them! Played games on steam deck with it using BT connection out of the box. They feel very good and surface material(s), IMHO, is amazing, too.
@linus thanks for bringing them up
what's the latency for the steam deck
0:33 I do not want the charging port exposed to the dust of my backpack; please don't make holes in that carrying case.
The improved joystick is what would have made this an immediate purchase IF it also had the extra back buttons. I don’t bother with controllers anymore unless they have the newer set of buttons on the back
They can't put buttons on the back or Scuf/Corsair will sue them. Microsoft already lost that fight and I'm willing to bet microsoft has much better lawyers than guliykit.
@@pyranna2003 then why is their pro Controller and so many others like that still sold and new ones coming out from these sidebrands?? Get outta here
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Because they are paying Corsair a royalty and/or get their permission to put rear buttons on their controllers. You get outta here.
@@WrektSK PoıwerA has cheap controllers i use with back buttons. they are great for the price. xbox controllers tho.
@@freeone69 I'm not sure about PowerA controllers. Every review on Amazon seems to indicate they break within a few months. My own Fusion Pro lasted like 4 months. Compare that to a cheapo Fantech and a 360 clone controller I bought from my local market, they're going strong for a year+. Besides the back button on the spectra infinity only has 2 buttons.
The AI function is good for performing various actions in different titles. IE: Watering numerous crops and patting your livestock in Stardew Valley, building a ridiculous building quickly in Fortnite and performing combos in Mortal Kombat. The usage is stellar, actually.
I was definitely going to buy this controller about a month back when ETAprime uploaded his video on it but I opted for preordering the 8bitdo Ultimate controller ($70 version) that comes with hall effect sensors as well. I would love to see you guys review it once it releases!
Coincidentally enough the Hall Effect joysticks on the 8bit do controller are the same ones from this controller. Gulikit and 8bit teamed up for it.
Im waiting to find out if the 8bitdo can wake the switch from sleep
@@Eighttroy19 I'm almost positive all their controllers allow wake from sleep
@@Eighttroy19 if you read their replies to this question on Amazon they say they do but in an unconventional way. Instead of a button, you'll shake the controller or something and that motion will wake the switch. We still have yet to see it in action but it's a promised feature
@@bobbytaylor6363 I had no idea they had teamed up but, considering their hall effect joysticks have a great reputation, this is great news
been using it for a week. the sensitivity is insane out of the box.
This is great and all but honestly I'm more hype for their Joycon stick replacement release. That'll be a real game-changer!
That’s exactly what I was thinking! I’ll be grabbing a few sets of those right away!
When is that coming out? On cyber mm monday maybe?
@@samuraijose817 right now!
@@zesky1822 eh satisfied with armor x with gyro and a regular Xbox controller.
5:27 "I hate the XBOX controller shoulders, they are so uneven"
This is the most understated thing in all of gaming currently. I returned the controllers twice thinking "a first party controller wouldnt be like that"