As much as I get wanting to not license your product at all, you *should* license it under an open source license simply to protect it from copyright trolls. They could steal the design, claim it as their own, which by itself doesn't matter, but then they can sue all the other people using your design as if it is theirs, stopping others from using it, which is the real problem.
@@cykes5124they’re actually already for sale as replacements for various game controllers under the brand name Gulikit. Linus Tech Tips covered the Gulikit aftermarket ones in their “repairing broken controllers” video almost a year ago. $27 for the Joycon ones and $32 for Steam Deck ones on amazon. That said, this is a dumb problem and game companies should have switched to hall sensors on their own a decade ago.
If the license is a problem, MIT License should resolve. It gives full control to commercial and non-commercial implementations. But it turns you, Heier, the creator and maintainer of a certain piece of code. In this case, the g-code of circuit, the design made in a CAM software and the programming to the driver if needed.
i'm very happy that people are explaining how open source licenses are better than an "open unlicensed release" for protecting your creations from being "locked away" by ill-willed companies
As others have said, you should *absolutely* put this under an open license, so wankers cant just copyright it themselves and turn a public service into a corporate scheme.
Most open culture licences are designed to encourage people to use the works even in a commercial context. The result is competition, everything gets cheaper, and people make some money for their time providing a service that other people want. The dirty trick is not giving credit where it's due; plagiarism. But preventing that means having a ton of credits on everything when things get merged together. Imagine if the 20,000 people who contributed to Linux had to be listed in your TV's credits.
@@flipykickerIts not just that, but they are corporations. The only thing corporations care about is making money, everything else is just an obstacle to them. Thats a rule. If its a corporation, it will make every single decision no matter how f-ed up it is, just to make money. Thats how the world works.
The Sega Saturn used hall effect sticks back in the 1990s. Most controllers today with triggers that detect depth also use hall effect sensors. They know how to do this. They want the controllers to break.
why tho cuz everyone will just replace them with warranty? how do they benefit from them breaking? I personally have replaced 5 controllers with warranty
@@usersar2213 maybe i just play in a intense manner but every controller ive had in 3 years has broken in under 2 months + in eu there is 2 year warranty
What people don't understand is that this is not a design flaw. Companies want your controller to wear and tear so that you're forced to buy a new one after some time, they design them so that hopefully it happens when warranty expires. It wasn't like this in the first generation consoles, I remember the first Xbox controller I bought for PC, played for 10 years and never heard of drift problems. Now I am forced to change controller every year. Thanks to greedy companies and their revenue schemes.
The funny thing is all it would take is for an aftermarket company to break ranks with the others to have THE controller without this issue. But I'm not sure if specifications for compatibility are tied to licensing in some manner? The only other obstruction could be something else like a patent that's in effect which we don't know about.
@@delta-a17 drift isn't really the correct term. The problem lies with the contactors on the potentiometer wearing out over time. This causes jitter and error in the sensor reading.
Yeah about to swap my joycons.. and if Playstation and Xbox controllers were even half as shit as the joycons then hall options would exist for that too. And yeah, if the controllers wear out then people have to buy new ones. It's planned obsolescence. And your title is misleading clickbait, if you think for a second that all console developers don't know about hall, you're insane. Engineer: "Let's make our controllers better so we can sell less of them!" Console manufacturers: "You're fired!"
The dumbest thing about this is that there HAVE been thumb sticks out there for years that use hall effect sensors. Not in exactly the needed form factor that gaming controllers use, but if Sony or someone called them up and said "we need this thumbstick, but with a hall effect sensor" you know damn well they'd have made it.
Exactly. Looks at the super advanced trigger mechanism of the ps5 controller. Someone who makes that can make hall effect joysticks. Or optical joysticks. The ps4 controller even have a bunch of dark pattern engineering to make it less repairable. Alps made the pots replaceable for a reason, because they know they wear out. But Sony magically make them not able to be replaced because they hardcode the center voltage for each controllers.
Yup but pretending to have invented something new generates more clicks. Also you can buy them everywhere now since they are making a comeback since last year I think even before this video was made.
Interesting. I figured it was Sony who did it first, though it makes sense that Sega would have done it, they really went all out with the Saturn and Dreamcast
over 20 years ago sega's saturn analog pad and dreampad used hall effect tracked thumbsticks. the design was ingeniously simple, minimizing the number of moving parts, and practically impervious to wear. even on pads where the buttons started failing, and the nubs on the stick are completely worn down after years of use, the stick still tracked and centered perfectly, with zero center wiggle. (aint gonna try and describe the mechanism, but there are teardown videos)
@@GIMM3_D4_RAMIdk about the inner working of the PS2 controllers, but I do know they practically solved stick drift. You can recalibrate a drifting stick by just doing a full 360 rotation of the thumbstick. I still have two old PS2 controllers that work perfectly, something like 15 or 16 years after I got them. If the sticks ever drift, I just recalibrate them with a couple of quick circles. (was doing this long before I knew the design was intentional, cause Sony's engineers are geniuses who anticipated the way people would deal with glitchy sticks). A shame that they later decided it wasn't worth keeping that technology in use, cause selling more controllers is more important to them I have seen so many busted ps3 and ps4 controllers, but old wired ps2 controllers? Never
Thanks! You're the first one I support on TH-cam, and I never thought I would do this in my life, but you deserve every support. Your last words in the video were... so sincere. Good luck with your path!
@@3CODKing Meaning that majority of people didn't even know it was possible to fix stick drift, people just assume it's normal that they break, like everything else...
True, I've got ancient PS3 controllers that are still going strong. But I'm not sure that it's Sonys fault. ALPS make the pots, and they don't appear to be as good as they were. Perhaps it's ALPS getting greedy? If so, I hope it bites them in the ass.
it's a scam... SEGA and GuliKit fixed this in the 90s and their patent expired so Sony and Xbox have no excuse to not use that design. they don't use a potentiometer to detect movement, they use a hall effect sensor which has no moving parts, because it uses magnetism, thus it lasts nearly forever... they still sell controllers with hall effect sensors today and they last far longer.. video explanation : th-cam.com/video/MpLQf_q3avA/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgySqCl8Za-qhZPILkZ4AaABAg
I think the smart companies will take this as an opportunity to add hall effect joysticks to their pro controller lineups. Just think, if you could buy an xbox elite controller just to get the hall effect sticks and not have to buy new controllers, then it would be a no brainer, and Xbox sells more of their more expensive controller.
I remember the days when I was younger and used older generation consoles. As a kid, I often didn’t take good care of my controllers but man did they last long. There is definitely nothing better than buying a product and getting more than what you expected out of it. Now, games are demanding even more precision and intensity while the hardware is continuing to get worse. All for the sake of saving pennies
, takes a thought when I go back and I recall one of the Superman cartoon shows it has lex luthor standing there and he gets a phone call in the phone call says Oh so you found a cure for cancer, Great, figure out how to make it into a lifetime treatment, and then he hangs up
But Capitalism ruins everything, it rewards only greed and exploitation making it near impossible for people to dedicate themselves to endeavors other than money and that is without even getting into the inevitable destructive competition problem Capitalism has.
The fact that you got this small enough to fit into existing hardware is incredible to me, especially considering how things like controllers are purpose built and never designed with any extra space in mind. I hope this in combination with other hall effect pads on the market will finally force the big guys to make quality, durable controllers.
Yes. You are onto the absolute most hard thing to solve. And the ps4 controller is the one with the most space. I'm making other revisions with even smaller ones i have found now. Thanks for commenting.
My guy. I just had to comment to tell you how much respect and admiration I have for people like you. People who have the ability and drive to create something awesome, and NOT want to exploit it in some way. I really hope you make millions off of your quality builds.
I just got into fpv/drones and couldn't believe how even the cheap radio controllers use hall effect sensors but not high end gaming controllers, seems like you got the ball rolling and things are about to change!!
The funny thing is that this has been known for a while now, but it still hasn't been adopted into the current new gen consoles. Probably because if the players keep on buying new controllers it makes the companies more money.
But they don't. I'm working on a single handed drone controller. Having torn down about 50 controllers I've come across 3 hall sensors. Not 3 controllers, 3 total hall sensors. They are RARELY used.
The problem is that hall effect sensors alone only work together with a ton of signal processing. Thats why rotary magnetic encoder like this is tracking two magnetic field 90 degree apart. So they position track the magnetic field instead. And do temperature compensation.
Have you ever heard about the Dreamcast? Yes, in 1998, it had magnetic hall effect analog controls, both the analog stick AND triggers used magnetic sensors without mechanical contacts. And that's why it never had any kind of drift issues. And the rest is history.
Yes to bad they where not adopted. However these are using an additional principle not used nack then. Which is multiple hall effect sensors 90 degree apart in the same sensor. And they track the position just like gps does. These have not been available for that long, but i guess it will come with time.
Have you heard of Xbox one controllers? They've been using Hall effect sensors for years in their controllers. ...to detect the position of the triggers. True story. Edit: I'm not trying to be snarky. Just doing the same format. It's dumb af that MSFT will use these sensors, but just in the wrong place.
I love what you're doing, I myself am a huge advocate of Open Source Hardware. Could I please ask that you consider using the Open Source Hardware license when you do release, rather than a free for all. If you go ahead as planned, you can be 100% sure a company will not just take you work and create the products, but they'll also start making claims they created the items, and chasing other people who make them in court to unfairly rob them. It's happened a great many times, and continues to do so. So please do consider been a little more responsible, for the sake of the rest of us :)
Thanks for your input. I see design as an open pool of ideas, not personal property. Licenses or claims on my work don't bother me it's all about exchanging ideas for me. You mentioned this could be seen as irresponsible. I'm open to learning more about that. Can you elaborate?
@@MariusHeier1 its more to do with how other entities can claim your work as their own, then aggressively seek out others who have also used your freely shared work, and using their legal claim its their property, take ownership of the others profits and assets etc. By releasing under open source, even with zero caveats like you want, people are protected from that and can build on your work freely without fear of these kinds of behaviors
Just gonna say I agree with this comment, and to risk such an elegant design getting falsely claimed for a corporations profit would bother me. @Marius Heier You have good intentions but, many companies do not, which is what should be considered.
I'm hoping that this will completely change the industry. But I do hope you can license it to the game controller companies, but not as something exclusive so they can't keep it all for themselves.
@@MariusHeier1 that's very noble of you, but I hope you have something prepared just in case they try to patent it, claim as their own invention, then block everyone else from using it freely.
As someone who fixes controllers as a hobby having these commercially available to buy would be amazing. I don't have the time or tools to build them myself but if you could buy a version where you slot it in and solder that would be wonderful.
but after seeing and hearing about 4 years of work and prototyes puts all my efforts to shame... I'd feel a bit guilty just paying money for them *_; P_*
DUUUDE!!! YOU ARE FREAKING AWESOME!!! love the fact you build most of your own "tools/machines" just to fix common but typically "unfixable" issues!!! KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK!!!
Hall effect sensors are a thing already. I think the first controller using these was Sonys Sega Saturn and that was back in the 90s. I don't know why he is pretending this is something new maybe to generate clicks.
I'd recommend looking into the aftermarket GameCube controller scene -primarily the Phob motherboard / controllers. They use hall effect sensors with onboard chips that allow you to calibrate the controller for maximum precision. There's an onboard editing mode that lets you tweak analog values at specific positions, apply stickbox snapback modes and filtering, as well as button remapping. Top tier feel / responsiveness & borderline a necessity for pro level SSBM
I normally don’t comment but this is amazing work. The design and complexity to retrofit existing joysticks to a degree that it looks and fits like it came from a factory and it works!. Doing that at the same time you are also making a video that is very good in many ways is also impressive. You should be very proud of what you have accomplished!
This man saw a problem that sours the enjoyment of millions of people and said let me help. This was not a video about controller drift, it was about restoring faith in humanity👏👏👏
help what? Gulikit already has electromagnetic thumbsticks and their controllers which will never have stick drift is readily available for about $60 to $70. this video is basically just trying to reinventing the wheel by exploiting gulikit's patent.
@@MariusHeier1 Shameless. the fundamental principle is the same. Both are just measuring the difference in magnetic field strength using the hall effect. you are just added a hall effect sensor to the controller and gulikit have been doing that for years now.
I spend a bit of time one here and I'm really glad to see someone so genuine and humble. I appreciate you and all your work. Just keep doing what your doing and thank you
This is so cool. And you are doing a huge service to the gaming community by making it open source. You didn't have to do that but I'm so glad you did.
yup steamdeck released over a year ago and less than 1 month after gulikit was selling the upgrade joysticks using hall effect sensors and theyve been used longer than that
I'm happy just to have been a viewer of this great project, I've waited many years dreaming that someone will solve the problem of drift in joysticks and finally you're making my dream come true, my thanks here from Brazil.
U can buy one now if u want, they have bwen out there for a long time, gulkit king kong2 or 8bitdo has one, and there are more.. Onlu - with gulkit is the missing paddle buttons .
In the most respectful way possible, this problem was solved years ago. The sega dreamcast controllers joystick was borderline indestructible and uses the same technology shown in the video.
@@TheLegend-jp1vg The crazy thing is, the engineers at Alps Alpine knew they will wear out and ruin everything. So they made them replaceable. But Sony figured out a way to make that impossible by hardcoding the values for centering the joystick..they could vave easly just read the first value when you started the controller as the center value. And if you had replaced the joystick it would have automatically worked. By doing it this way and not have any form of calibration they also need to have a larger outer deadzone to compensate for the different random alignments during manufacturing. So they basically made it alot worse than it was delivered from the joystick factory.
A man of great wisdom also! This one hit me. “All great things that I have achieved in my life usually starts with some suffering, so we are right on track.”
you my legend deserve so much more credit and love, you put 4 years into 17min and i nearly cried at the end. Also having massive balls for saying no to money is a big win for the rest of us that are going to freely enjoy the product. Much love brother
this is beautiful man. you need to be discovered by a lot more.... I have no money to support with or the resources to use what you're giving but I can sure as hell appreciate what you did. im sure it was a lot of work. i hope no big company uses your design without crediting you because that's something you need my brother. im looking forward to your future works!
Thank you for your kind words. Im trying to develop a business model where anyone can take my design and use it in any way. I think this might be the key to solving the limitations made by patents. This way anyone can build ontop of what i make. And my work would kinda be in the genes of anything made as a later iteration.
I’m commenting 3mo after video posting and you earned my subscription not only from your innovation and actually solving an issue I have with a high end controller, but your overall attitude towards how progress should be made. You almost matched my favorite quote, “there is no value in what you achieve, if you didn’t have to suffer for it.” This is my first video of yours I have saw and I eagerly look forward to exploring your channel sir!
The last three minutes of this video, gave me goosebumps! I can't even put my thoughts into words properly, and that very rarely happens to me. I find the last three minutes of this video very valuable. Especially in times when such values are becoming less and less important. Thanks!
This is somehow the most wholesome and change making video I have seen in years. I hope this project goes well. ps don't let it be stolen, copyrighted and then we can't use it
@@ItsMeBarnaby Gulikits claims are legit, because they only patented a specific design or implementation of hall effect stick. An idea by itself cant be patented. if that would be true then nobody would be able to make a drill because companies would have patented rotary devices long ago. Even some of scuffs patentes are wrongfully given to them. if the patented lawyer ha payed attention then scuff would not have a patented for back buttons with a specific paddle design. Because scuff also has not patented back buttons but rather the specifi paddle shape of the back buttons. that is why Valve also won the last round in court after beying sued by them. As far as i have been able to figure out, gulikit has a patend for hall effect sensors the have a housing that resembles a potentiometer housing. (i am not very fammiliar with the specifics of the exact design that the patented), but i do know that a few other companies are also developing hcontrollers with hall effect sensors in them. And Sega has used these before they made the dreamcast. Sega used them first in the Saturn controller (wich came bvefore the dreamcast). i always wonder why people only seem to remember the dreamcast as the first controller that had hall effect sensorn. was the dreamcast more popular then the saturn? i really dont know because i have not owned any of them myself sadly.
These are the videos that make TH-cam, and other platforms, sooo valuable! If I was able, I would give you a thousand thumbs up and funding for your next project. As it stands, all I can give you is my admiration! For myself, and those who understand the game, in spite of potential money, you are willing to step outside of it all for humanity. Well done sir, I genuinely tip my hat.
Planned Obsolescence is a crime against nature. I bought my controller for 4 dollars 15 years ago, and it has just started to have a problem where the left stick gets stuck in the up position but it's still perfectly usable.
Thank you for addressing the springs inconsistency. I've been very disappointed that people have been ignoring it. And I highly respect your goals for this project.
I’m grateful that in this world, a world that can be so unforgiving/corrupt/unjust, we have human beings that provide a breath of fresh air - you are that breed of person. As a homelab enthusiast, there comes a point where I look back at why I do what I do. Often I root it back in the pure joy that is the engineering process. Making hypotheses, testing, reconfiguring, and repeating all over. I know I’ll never be perfect in what I do, but knowing what the process has meant for me makes it all the worthwhile. Watching this video feel like a ode to this feeling I’ve had. Thank you! I’ve only watched this video on your channel yet I feel like I’ve been watching for much longer than that.
Pro tip: Buy a new controller that comes with the standard 1 year warranty. Trade it in a week before your year is up regardless of whether there is a problem or not. I do this every year. This was (quietly) recommended to me by the underpaid Gamestop employee required to ask "would you like to buy the extended warranty?".
Wow - this is just phenomenal work. I'm so impressed by your talent, generosity, and humility. I hope this really takes off! Potentiometer joysticks need to be resigned to history.
This guy did not invent the hall effect joystick. There are multiple companies producing hall effect joysticks, apparently some companies already offer drop-in replacements for existing controllers
While that's true (the Dreamcast controller had a hall effect joystick - so the industry has gone backwards in this respect), the enormous difference here is that Marius has engineered his own solution that will be released directly into the public domain, free for anyone to use and/or modify without restriction. That means nobody will be beholden to companies gatekeeping this technology, or inflating prices for this technology to be licensed for use by third parties in their products.
@@jonnytenebrous1113 There's this little thing called "intellectual property" that might get in the way. Copying something doesn't transfer the intellectual property rights to your name, patent law doesn't work like duels did in the middle ages
@@jonnytenebrous1113 Why would I do that? Tech can't be open source if it's patented or a registered design. Copying it doesn't change any of that, obviously
Man its 2am and i just clicked on a random video that looked interesting without expecting much but damn.... The astounding cinematography, narrative, engineering, planning, prototyping, hard work, the touching life story bit and last but not least the beautiful dedication to pushing a solution out there for free for the greater good of much needed hall effect sticks that unraveled before me got me so focused that i didn't even notice the 17 mins passing. I gotta give it to you those are some amazing skills in a lot of fields and i love the way you are expressing them! I instantly subscribed! Top quality i just have no other words for it!
I'm glad this blew up. Your videos are great quality with many amazing shots going unnoticed. Hopefully this is the start of a successful TH-cam career that creates innovative tech solutions for the little guys.
I watched this video on release and forgot about it. Fast forward to today I'm looking for a new controller and heard about this new "hall effect joystick" and I had no idea it was what was made in this video until it popped up in my feed again. I cannot express how awesome you are and how much real world impact your design has had.
I'm not sure how many i inspired with my design. There is also not an implementation that is exactly like mine so far. But im releasing mine soon, it only took a year to make product out of it..haha
I know you said "no license", but you may want to look at the Creative Commons CC0 license. It puts "I made this to be free without restriction" into the appropriate legalese.
That parting message actually gave me chills man. Incredibly admirable stuff. Got nothing but mad respect for you and wish you the absolute best. First time I come across ur channel and am looking forward to your future content, as well as binging the stuff you’ve already published on here. Godspeed, my friend 💪🏼
The worst thing about the joysticks used in modern controller’s is that sega already used magnetic Hall effects joystick back in the day so compagnie most likely know that they could replace it easily but they don’t. Anyway love the video it is very interesting!
The shift to wireless controllers was part of it. Hall effect sensors use more power than potentiometers. They wee also somewhat lower resolution back in the day in that tiny form factor. Still an issue with some of the cheaper hall sensors people are putting out today. I think Marcus' stick will probably be more sensitive than most, but we'll have to see once they actually are available to test.
You prove it's possible. If we don't have it in today's controllers, it's because of the greed of the manufacturers. If it don't fail, it's not viable economically. This is our sad reality and why we will never have awesome durable product from them, but only from people like you. Cheers and big thumb up to you. 👍
This type of stuff honestly breathes life into the small scale electronics builder who has the skills and knowledge to build something like this for a reasonable price and sell it on a small scale, and make enough money to survive, rather than working for a company that makes these things that doesn't pay them enough to pay rent
Personally, as much as it may be tempting to stick with the friction fit, I would absolutely recommend doing a bit more to avoid the magnet becoming misaligned. With how much force some people use with a game controller and even you use during tense matches, should the grease ever get too worn away it wouldn’t be difficult to accidentally misalign the magnet in some way. It would be nice if it were possible to custom design magnets to have a key hole instead of a round hole, but alas not practical, so the best option in my opinion is a dab of cyanoacrylate in the hole after the magnet is attached so that there is some more contact, this of course will mean that the joystick is less serviceable, but because there really isn’t much mechanical stress on the sensor I don’t think you will have to replace that any time soon, the button would likely be the next failure point. Hall effect sensor for that as well?
*_This is it!_* This solution, right here needs to spread, and spread fast! There is no excuse why this couldn't be part of ALPS' ThumbPointer suite, there is no reason why even on Sony's highest-end modules there's nothing like this. This is the sustainable future retro modders can make bank on, and help other people win the day with greater control in their games for relatively cheap! *Make this happen!*
@@turji The problem you don't seem to recognize is that hall effect joypads are few and far in-between through an extensive period of gaming. When the Sega Dreamcast died, so did with it their HE joystick. I mean that, quite literally; the N64 had no such thing, and every first-party joypad these days uses Alps Alpine as their supplier. It's a fascinating technology that's been in use for almost everything that rotates… except for joypads by first-parties. This mod makes it so _every_ controller has the capability to be a Hall Effect joystick, ensure that many first-party mods for controllers are not money pits because of sticks, and it'll keep _good_ pads out of landfill _forever._ There is a financial incentive for modders, of course. And for those people, modders who invest in designs like this will make heaps of bank with a soldering iron and some hot-air rework.
@bluephreakr I can understand and relate, i do this work for a living myself, electrotechnician, and it goes much in gaming equipment modding etc. I just stated that there is controllers out there and that its nothing new 2 the market. But i would gladley buy a bulk with 1000 of these to retrofit controller for my customers.
Also, two minor things in your video... I am guessing that English is not your primary language, but you do a wonderful job speaking it clearly. In the spirit of helping you learn better: 1) When you say Patreon "tier", your pronunciation sounds more like "tire" when it should sound like "tear", like a drop when one cries. 2) teach vs. learn - You learn from someone/something but teach to someone/something, so when you said you wanted to "learn you", that can never be correct (the only use would be "learn from you" but from cannot be implied); it should be "teach you" ("teach to you" with the "to" implied) Again, these are minor corrections, your English is excellent, and I hope this post doesn't come across as condescending or insulting. I just wanted to help you to learn because you have taught me so much.
Keyboards are finally doing this too! Wooting got in first and I’m sure many companies are working on Hall effect sensors now. Glad progress is being made.
I can't afford to do Patreon, but I loved that ending message you have so much I had to show some form of support. That's why I subscribed and am leaving this comment to help bump your channel in the algorithm because I believe you deserve more subscribers and vicariously more attention for this video alone. Amazing work. 👍👍
Came here for a sweet tech vid, got that as well as a great motivational speech at the end. Wow! It’s really awesome what you’re doing and I don’t think anyone would blame you for licensing some of your designs to smaller tech businesses, but I love that you’re keeping this all on the home end, for the consumer and no one else, no crazy unrealistic profit margins (if any) , no marketing BS, no shareholders to please, just your pride in your work. What an amazing skill set and quality to have. I hope you are well compensated despite saying you don’t care about money, of course we all have to live. Best of luck to you sir 👍
i can not understate how much money the PowerA Fusion Pro 2 has saved me. i used to use xbox elite series controllers and while i loved the feeling of them, they would start losing the sensitivity in their bumpers and other buttons. i think i went through 3? literally buying one once a year because their lifetime was so shite. one day i went to gamestop and opted for a different controller, the PowerA Fusion Pro 2. it was wired, but only cost $70-80, just under 1/3 of what the elites were costing me. i’ve had that controller now for nearly 3 years and still works completely fine. if you find yourself spending a ton on gamepads, i’m begging you try the PowerA Fusion Pro! Pretty sure they’re on 3rd gen now too!
This is absolutely amazing, contactless joy sticks from an already available base, for the masses. Big respect brother. Like you said, if all great things come from sufferring, we're right on track in this world, but open source collaboration like this will save us.
I'm glad this video reached out to me. I've been following the Joystick lawsuit cases for a while now. This right here could be a game changer! Listen what others already told about getting this patent under an open source license to protect the creation itself. I think you have the heart in the right place. No doubt you could profit from that but I like you're sticking to your guns. Keep it up Marius.
I found you yesterday by looking for the USB-C solution for my DS4 controller. I watched this video not realizing it was you again until after you showed yourself in the video. Massive respect to you, man! What you do is incredibly important. You inspire me. I have never had a patreon account, now I want to make one.
I'm an IoT engineer and this month alone I replaced 1 PS5 and 2 PS4 joysticks (of my own) and I think to myself; surely this can be done with magnets. What a video! Absolute legend!
Can I get a thumbs up for him for the video i thought was going to be about a fix, but instead got a beautifully poetic video about making the world a better place and taking down a bullshit 20 billion dollar controller scam. BRAVO!!!!!
You sir, are extremely talented, and gifted beyond belief. And I get that you wish to work alone but please consider working with others. The hardest part is finding those you can trust and work hard with, but i genuinely believe, all great things, all things that have pushed humanity forward, were done by great minds put together, not just one.
Thank you. I can work with others without synchroninzing with them the way we are suppose to work together..anyone who use something i made, will actually be working with me. But just not in the standard way. 😁😉
Someone will steal your idea but on it perfect it and say that did it😢... Id rather buy it off you. You sound like a decent reliable chap and not a money hungry business ready to extort us
The mental toughness someone has to have to reject money purely beacause they love and feel passionate about something. You are so focused on your goals and way of doing things that discovering and seeing your videos inspires me to keep pushing on my studies. I truly look forward to your advances, and maybe, someday, be a litle bit like you. Keep up the good work.
Just found this video and watched it. Excellent job. I was just tinkering with the thought that i will try to learn and somehow create a hall effect joystick for the current gen of consoles. But i see you are way in to this project already. If i can i definitely will support you on patreon, and when the final product comes out, i will start fixing and offering this product in my country, as stick drift is already a huge problem and nobody likes to send to repair their controller after every few months. Really shameful for these big tech companies that they so profit driven they don't give a crap about their customers needs, and a random person has to do the work to make their product durable enough to be enjoyable. Brilliant job mate.
Hey that sounds awesome. This is kinda my goal with the project. For others to take the products and make money on them. And get voulentary donations from those who sell them to the customers.
The saddest thing about the whole controller situation is that Playstation has USED MAGNETORESISTIVE SENSORS in a couple versions of the Dualshock 3 controller. Then for whatever reason, they went back to the crap that wears out faster. Literally solved the issue as a leading brand then turned their backs on it for the foreseeable future.
They went back to the crappy way because their bean-counters noted that they were making less money with durable controllers - simple as that, really and this is a known problem of late stage capitalism Against this backdrop, don't expect sensible use of valuable finite resources. We're literally ruining our environment and habitat to make a couple of extra bucks 😂
I'm just waiting for you and your work to both blow up and catch the traction that it deserves. You're doing an amazing work and I hope someday in the future a big media company like LTT or someone else gives you a huge shoutout to bring even more supporters in.
good call. i can see ltt do a shoutout. they are fans of repairability, hall effect, and individuals that just do stuff. if these joysticks get finished, i would see that absolutly possible
TH-cam recommended this out of nowhere. I fully support your video and idea. You deserve a sub. I am from a third world country and don't have an account for Patreon but I enjoyed your videos. Wish you keep doing what you think is right man. Thank you for your effort for the future of gaming.
Hey. Thanks for your comment. Thanks for subbing, within the next 6 month I will release machines/tools that can get you in the game of making electronics :D
Not to be a bummer, I mean I wouldn't be able to do this in a million years, but the dreamcast controllers already used magnets on their analog sticks... dont know why they changed to potentiometers. Amazing work dude!!
This is incredible! I'm currently working on fixing up a PS2 controller (Pelican Afterglow Wired) that has recessed R2, L2 buttons and am hoping I can update it a bit to use as my main PC controller. I've already hard-wired in a PS2 -> PC adapter that fits within the controller and am excited to hopefully convert the joysticks to Hall Effect when your project is completed!
@@fluffypinkpandasno, hall effects on game controllers specifically is a relatively new concept. Ps2 controllers had a software or something that if I remember correctly, expanded the deadzone .
@@rubenvb1835 They aren't a new concept. For example Dreamcast was using magnets back in the day. Saturn too if I remember correctly (?), but don't quote me on that.
At some point SONY was using these hall effect joystick potentiometers on the dualshock 3 controllers. I am sure you know why they went back to resistors with wipers. 🤷♂️
The amount of work you put into bettering the hardware side of video games for no profit is genuinely inspiring. What you do reminds me of other small projects like the Alpakka gamepad that aspire to innovate on new ways of playing the games we love and cherish. I'd be interested to see if you can do hall effect triggers as drop-in replacement parts for existing gamepads, if it's not too much work for you. Thanks for showing off your technical innovation to the wider public.
Solid person. This video is equivalent of the days when things were made from steel and lasted forever with only minor fixes needed over time. From cars to refrigerators and things in between. This is a person that empowers other people to be able to learn to fix things themselves. We need more of this type of integrity in today's world. You are a god amongst thieves.
As someone who releases everything "unlicensed" or at worst CC0 (creative commons No Rights Reserved), i applaud this sort of decision. It's not my job to make sure other people aren't awful, i can just be not-awful myself.
This world needs more people like this. It is this kind of thinking and selflessness that will push humanity towards a future where we survive and become the best that we can be. I sadly do not have the financial means to contribute :( but I really hope that others can. Keep up the good work.
16:33 You say without any license, but it may be a good idea to use some sort of copyleft license in order to protect it from someone else who might snatch it up and prevent others from open access somehow. I am inspired by your commitment to open hardware! Great job! Edit: Lol, I didn't see that the top comment is literally saying the same thing.
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As much as I get wanting to not license your product at all, you *should* license it under an open source license simply to protect it from copyright trolls. They could steal the design, claim it as their own, which by itself doesn't matter, but then they can sue all the other people using your design as if it is theirs, stopping others from using it, which is the real problem.
6:00 they did say it would be made open source.
THIS
@@cykes5124they’re actually already for sale as replacements for various game controllers under the brand name Gulikit. Linus Tech Tips covered the Gulikit aftermarket ones in their “repairing broken controllers” video almost a year ago. $27 for the Joycon ones and $32 for Steam Deck ones on amazon.
That said, this is a dumb problem and game companies should have switched to hall sensors on their own a decade ago.
If the license is a problem, MIT License should resolve. It gives full control to commercial and non-commercial implementations. But it turns you, Heier, the creator and maintainer of a certain piece of code. In this case, the g-code of circuit, the design made in a CAM software and the programming to the driver if needed.
In other words: you own the information rights, giving access to anyone to use as-is, in any way they might want.
i'm very happy that people are explaining how open source licenses are better than an "open unlicensed release" for protecting your creations from being "locked away" by ill-willed companies
I am surprised that anyone need explanation, given the history of patent predators lurking around in our market environment.
I'm surprised about people thinking this tech hasn't already been patented
The thing is, the companies don't want to fix controller drift. They want to sell more joysticks, that's it.
@@heyhoe168oh yeah, because everyone knows about copyright laws and patent locking
@@heyhoe168Who the fuck would want to sit down and learn about patents? Please bro
As others have said, you should *absolutely* put this under an open license, so wankers cant just copyright it themselves and turn a public service into a corporate scheme.
The oceangate submarine proably had stick drift
Most open culture licences are designed to encourage people to use the works even in a commercial context. The result is competition, everything gets cheaper, and people make some money for their time providing a service that other people want. The dirty trick is not giving credit where it's due; plagiarism. But preventing that means having a ton of credits on everything when things get merged together. Imagine if the 20,000 people who contributed to Linux had to be listed in your TV's credits.
and Murphys theory says it's highly probable that they will
;) until everything that can happen , happens its only a theory
@@flipykickerIts not just that, but they are corporations.
The only thing corporations care about is making money, everything else is just an obstacle to them.
Thats a rule. If its a corporation, it will make every single decision no matter how f-ed up it is, just to make money. Thats how the world works.
The Sega Saturn used hall effect sticks back in the 1990s. Most controllers today with triggers that detect depth also use hall effect sensors. They know how to do this. They want the controllers to break.
why tho cuz everyone will just replace them with warranty? how do they benefit from them breaking? I personally have replaced 5 controllers with warranty
@@okkomelto2647 I doubt they replace even .1% of controllers on warranty.
@@okkomelto2647 Look up "Planned Obscolesence"
@@okkomelto2647 You got defective controllers. The normal ones are supposed to break AFTER warranty expires. Planned obsolescence.
@@usersar2213 maybe i just play in a intense manner but every controller ive had in 3 years has broken in under 2 months + in eu there is 2 year warranty
What people don't understand is that this is not a design flaw. Companies want your controller to wear and tear so that you're forced to buy a new one after some time, they design them so that hopefully it happens when warranty expires.
It wasn't like this in the first generation consoles, I remember the first Xbox controller I bought for PC, played for 10 years and never heard of drift problems.
Now I am forced to change controller every year. Thanks to greedy companies and their revenue schemes.
The funny thing is all it would take is for an aftermarket company to break ranks with the others to have THE controller without this issue. But I'm not sure if specifications for compatibility are tied to licensing in some manner? The only other obstruction could be something else like a patent that's in effect which we don't know about.
Yeah, never heard of drift on PS1, PS2, or Xbox controllers...
Who thinks people don't understand that?
@@delta-a17 drift isn't really the correct term. The problem lies with the contactors on the potentiometer wearing out over time. This causes jitter and error in the sensor reading.
Agreed. Hall sensors are not new. All the joysticks in industrial machines use hall sensors for better reliability and robustness.
The pressure and demand for hall sensor sticks have been building up quite a lot. Gamesir, 8bit and Gulikit already offering some options.
For Switch but I need it for PlayStation & Xbox!
Yes the gulikit one is a very good budget option!
@@Marcheziora Gamesir works on xbox
@@humanbass What? T4 Kaleid controller works on Xbox? Guess I'll buy that one.
Yeah about to swap my joycons.. and if Playstation and Xbox controllers were even half as shit as the joycons then hall options would exist for that too.
And yeah, if the controllers wear out then people have to buy new ones. It's planned obsolescence.
And your title is misleading clickbait, if you think for a second that all console developers don't know about hall, you're insane.
Engineer: "Let's make our controllers better so we can sell less of them!"
Console manufacturers: "You're fired!"
The dumbest thing about this is that there HAVE been thumb sticks out there for years that use hall effect sensors. Not in exactly the needed form factor that gaming controllers use, but if Sony or someone called them up and said "we need this thumbstick, but with a hall effect sensor" you know damn well they'd have made it.
Exactly. Looks at the super advanced trigger mechanism of the ps5 controller. Someone who makes that can make hall effect joysticks. Or optical joysticks. The ps4 controller even have a bunch of dark pattern engineering to make it less repairable. Alps made the pots replaceable for a reason, because they know they wear out. But Sony magically make them not able to be replaced because they hardcode the center voltage for each controllers.
yup, the Dreamcast had hall effect sticks.
Like the majority of brands in the world, it's not economically convenient for Sony that their products last forever.
@@paultapping9510 I think the PS3 did as well.
@Kazriko Redclaw could well be, those controllers did last a really long time iirc. Far longer than my ps4 controllers ever have anyway.
you did it 1 year ago, and now we are seeing hall effect joysticks in the market, you are a real inventor, hats off to you.
hall effect controllers have also been in the PS3 controller, I've seen a 10 year old PS3 controller with perfect 0.00000 drift on gamepad tester
it does look like he made it more popular though
They aren't a new thing, hate to tell you
not all of them are his tho. dont prop people up for entire market saturation when its not his doing
I admire a man who has a code to his existence and sticks to it.
Pun intended i imagine
Fun fact: Sega put hall-effect joysticks in their 3D Saturn and Dreamcast controllers in 1998.
I wish the Dreamcast was more successfuI, then right now we would have had the dreamcast 5, playing Sonic with no drift.
I scrolled down looking for this comment exactly.
Yup but pretending to have invented something new generates more clicks. Also you can buy them everywhere now since they are making a comeback since last year I think even before this video was made.
Interesting. I figured it was Sony who did it first, though it makes sense that Sega would have done it, they really went all out with the Saturn and Dreamcast
over 20 years ago sega's saturn analog pad and dreampad used hall effect tracked thumbsticks. the design was ingeniously simple, minimizing the number of moving parts, and practically impervious to wear. even on pads where the buttons started failing, and the nubs on the stick are completely worn down after years of use, the stick still tracked and centered perfectly, with zero center wiggle. (aint gonna try and describe the mechanism, but there are teardown videos)
Ive seen some videos of it. Very impressive and very brave of them.
Didn't PS2 controllers have a similar technology?
@@GIMM3_D4_RAMIdk about the inner working of the PS2 controllers, but I do know they practically solved stick drift. You can recalibrate a drifting stick by just doing a full 360 rotation of the thumbstick.
I still have two old PS2 controllers that work perfectly, something like 15 or 16 years after I got them.
If the sticks ever drift, I just recalibrate them with a couple of quick circles. (was doing this long before I knew the design was intentional, cause Sony's engineers are geniuses who anticipated the way people would deal with glitchy sticks).
A shame that they later decided it wasn't worth keeping that technology in use, cause selling more controllers is more important to them
I have seen so many busted ps3 and ps4 controllers, but old wired ps2 controllers? Never
the Dreamcast controllers used hall effect sensors too.
@@MariusHeier1 do you copies them!
Thanks!
You're the first one I support on TH-cam, and I never thought I would do this in my life, but you deserve every support. Your last words in the video were... so sincere.
Good luck with your path!
Thank you so much! Still hanging in there. :)
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@@MariusHeier1 has this project been abandoned? been over a year with no update on youtube?
@@ClydeBarber nope. Going strong
@@MariusHeier1 bro it’s gonna be 2 years 💀💀
I think they know exactly what they are doing. This wasn't a big issue a few console generations ago.
how long ago are we talking, my 360 controllers have terrible stick drift
Planned obsolescence baby
@@3CODKing Meaning that majority of people didn't even know it was possible to fix stick drift, people just assume it's normal that they break, like everything else...
True, I've got ancient PS3 controllers that are still going strong. But I'm not sure that it's Sonys fault. ALPS make the pots, and they don't appear to be as good as they were. Perhaps it's ALPS getting greedy? If so, I hope it bites them in the ass.
@@Mickparrysstepdad PS3 controllers use the same joystick modules that they have today. They are also prone to stick drift.
Companies will hate you for this. They very much like their sweet planned obsolescence.
Stay safe, friend. Great design and even greater intention!
There's prior art it's not his invention at all.
it's a scam... SEGA and GuliKit fixed this in the 90s and their patent expired so Sony and Xbox have no excuse to not use that design. they don't use a potentiometer to detect movement, they use a hall effect sensor which has no moving parts, because it uses magnetism, thus it lasts nearly forever... they still sell controllers with hall effect sensors today and they last far longer.. video explanation : th-cam.com/video/MpLQf_q3avA/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgySqCl8Za-qhZPILkZ4AaABAg
banana controllers were difficult to pass up.
I think the smart companies will take this as an opportunity to add hall effect joysticks to their pro controller lineups. Just think, if you could buy an xbox elite controller just to get the hall effect sticks and not have to buy new controllers, then it would be a no brainer, and Xbox sells more of their more expensive controller.
@@Stryker2279they will probably go tgis route when third party controller with hall effects joysticks rise in market share
I remember the days when I was younger and used older generation consoles. As a kid, I often didn’t take good care of my controllers but man did they last long. There is definitely nothing better than buying a product and getting more than what you expected out of it. Now, games are demanding even more precision and intensity while the hardware is continuing to get worse. All for the sake of saving pennies
More for profit of "planed obsolescence"
, takes a thought when I go back and I recall one of the Superman cartoon shows it has lex luthor standing there and he gets a phone call in the phone call says Oh so you found a cure for cancer, Great, figure out how to make it into a lifetime treatment, and then he hangs up
Old allegations
It's not just that. If the controllers break, customers have to buy a new one.
Mad catz was the best
Just one thing:
You earned a lot of respect with your attitude and your decision.
Knowledge should be free.
Game companies know about this issue - they just want us to buy new controllers every 3 months.
The world needs more people like this. People that do something because they are passionate about it, not because they are passionate about money.
Passionate to not have to pay rent 😂 more like not have to pay rent to be passionate
But Capitalism ruins everything, it rewards only greed and exploitation making it near impossible for people to dedicate themselves to endeavors other than money and that is without even getting into the inevitable destructive competition problem Capitalism has.
@@NeoShameMan What the fuck did I just read.
@@nofbi8582 only people below poverty line can understand 🤭
say that to someone who cant afford to eat every night, youre throwing stones from a glass tower richboy
The fact that you got this small enough to fit into existing hardware is incredible to me, especially considering how things like controllers are purpose built and never designed with any extra space in mind. I hope this in combination with other hall effect pads on the market will finally force the big guys to make quality, durable controllers.
Yes. You are onto the absolute most hard thing to solve. And the ps4 controller is the one with the most space. I'm making other revisions with even smaller ones i have found now. Thanks for commenting.
@@MariusHeier1 Thanks for getting back to me!
My guy. I just had to comment to tell you how much respect and admiration I have for people like you. People who have the ability and drive to create something awesome, and NOT want to exploit it in some way.
I really hope you make millions off of your quality builds.
He doesn't want to make millions, but we want him to make millions.
My man, you're teaching me how to fish, but I dont have a lake, a boat or even a fishing rod to do it with. 10/10
I just got into fpv/drones and couldn't believe how even the cheap radio controllers use hall effect sensors but not high end gaming controllers, seems like you got the ball rolling and things are about to change!!
The funny thing is that this has been known for a while now, but it still hasn't been adopted into the current new gen consoles. Probably because if the players keep on buying new controllers it makes the companies more money.
@@wenelol
Exactly
But they don't. I'm working on a single handed drone controller. Having torn down about 50 controllers I've come across 3 hall sensors. Not 3 controllers, 3 total hall sensors. They are RARELY used.
The problem is that hall effect sensors alone only work together with a ton of signal processing. Thats why rotary magnetic encoder like this is tracking two magnetic field 90 degree apart. So they position track the magnetic field instead. And do temperature compensation.
There's a reason for that. Money. Sales.
Have you ever heard about the Dreamcast? Yes, in 1998, it had magnetic hall effect analog controls, both the analog stick AND triggers used magnetic sensors without mechanical contacts. And that's why it never had any kind of drift issues. And the rest is history.
Yes to bad they where not adopted. However these are using an additional principle not used nack then. Which is multiple hall effect sensors 90 degree apart in the same sensor. And they track the position just like gps does. These have not been available for that long, but i guess it will come with time.
Have you heard of Xbox one controllers?
They've been using Hall effect sensors for years in their controllers.
...to detect the position of the triggers. True story.
Edit: I'm not trying to be snarky. Just doing the same format. It's dumb af that MSFT will use these sensors, but just in the wrong place.
N64
@@GoTeamScotch Cool but unless it's the analog sticks nobody cares.
@@EikottXD speak for yourself
I love what you're doing, I myself am a huge advocate of Open Source Hardware. Could I please ask that you consider using the Open Source Hardware license when you do release, rather than a free for all. If you go ahead as planned, you can be 100% sure a company will not just take you work and create the products, but they'll also start making claims they created the items, and chasing other people who make them in court to unfairly rob them. It's happened a great many times, and continues to do so. So please do consider been a little more responsible, for the sake of the rest of us :)
Thanks for your input. I see design as an open pool of ideas, not personal property. Licenses or claims on my work don't bother me it's all about exchanging ideas for me. You mentioned this could be seen as irresponsible. I'm open to learning more about that. Can you elaborate?
@@MariusHeier1 its more to do with how other entities can claim your work as their own, then aggressively seek out others who have also used your freely shared work, and using their legal claim its their property, take ownership of the others profits and assets etc.
By releasing under open source, even with zero caveats like you want, people are protected from that and can build on your work freely without fear of these kinds of behaviors
:O woah
Use a non-government license
Just gonna say I agree with this comment, and to risk such an elegant design getting falsely claimed for a corporations profit would bother me.
@Marius Heier
You have good intentions but, many companies do not, which is what should be considered.
I almost skipped the ending. So glad I didn't. Your generosity and drive to innovate are truly amazing and inspiring. Keep it up, you wonderful human!
I never would've guessed that a video highly focused on solving a gaming controller problem would have elicited both a smile and a tear. Beautiful.
I'm hoping that this will completely change the industry. But I do hope you can license it to the game controller companies, but not as something exclusive so they can't keep it all for themselves.
They can just use it without asking. And without attribution. Which is fine. Because what matters is that the technology gets out there.
@@MariusHeier1 that's very noble of you, but I hope you have something prepared just in case they try to patent it, claim as their own invention, then block everyone else from using it freely.
@@triadwarfare Im aware of the issue. But it will mainly block western companies. And will not be a problem for people who can make things them self.
@@triadwarfare And yes. I have something prepared ;)
@@MariusHeier1 that's great to hear. Looking forward for the success of your project.
As someone who fixes controllers as a hobby having these commercially available to buy would be amazing.
I don't have the time or tools to build them myself but if you could buy a version where you slot it in and solder that would be wonderful.
same same same
but after seeing and hearing about 4 years of work and prototyes puts all my efforts to shame...
I'd feel a bit guilty just paying money for them *_; P_*
DUUUDE!!! YOU ARE FREAKING AWESOME!!! love the fact you build most of your own "tools/machines" just to fix common but typically "unfixable" issues!!! KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK!!!
Hall effect sensors are a thing already. I think the first controller using these was Sonys Sega Saturn and that was back in the 90s. I don't know why he is pretending this is something new maybe to generate clicks.
I'd recommend looking into the aftermarket GameCube controller scene -primarily the Phob motherboard / controllers. They use hall effect sensors with onboard chips that allow you to calibrate the controller for maximum precision. There's an onboard editing mode that lets you tweak analog values at specific positions, apply stickbox snapback modes and filtering, as well as button remapping. Top tier feel / responsiveness & borderline a necessity for pro level SSBM
Also some (original) PS3 controllers and most modern radio controllers(like jumper t-lite) use hall effect sticks,
Wavebirds?
Sure, but GC controllers aren’t great
I normally don’t comment but this is amazing work. The design and complexity to retrofit existing joysticks to a degree that it looks and fits like it came from a factory and it works!. Doing that at the same time you are also making a video that is very good in many ways is also impressive. You should be very proud of what you have accomplished!
Thank you so much. My price is to be able to sit here and answer nice comments like yours 😁🙏🙂
This man saw a problem that sours the enjoyment of millions of people and said let me help. This was not a video about controller drift, it was about restoring faith in humanity👏👏👏
Thanks for seeing that. And thanks for taking the time to write a comment. I got plans for even bigger problems at well. Just gotta start "small". 😁🙏🤗
they can fix anything , but they want u to buy new controller all time ifu dont know how to solder.
help what? Gulikit already has electromagnetic thumbsticks and their controllers which will never have stick drift is readily available for about $60 to $70. this video is basically just trying to reinventing the wheel by exploiting gulikit's patent.
@@86soulx That's not true. You just think so because you are ignorant on how these technologies work.
@@MariusHeier1 Shameless. the fundamental principle is the same. Both are just measuring the difference in magnetic field strength using the hall effect.
you are just added a hall effect sensor to the controller and gulikit have been doing that for years now.
I spend a bit of time one here and I'm really glad to see someone so genuine and humble. I appreciate you and all your work. Just keep doing what your doing and thank you
Thank you for the kind words :)
This is so cool. And you are doing a huge service to the gaming community by making it open source. You didn't have to do that but I'm so glad you did.
You can already get this commercially
yup steamdeck released over a year ago and less than 1 month after gulikit was selling the upgrade joysticks using hall effect sensors
and theyve been used longer than that
I'm happy just to have been a viewer of this great project, I've waited many years dreaming that someone will solve the problem of drift in joysticks and finally you're making my dream come true, my thanks here from Brazil.
Thank you so much!
U can buy one now if u want, they have bwen out there for a long time, gulkit king kong2 or 8bitdo has one, and there are more.. Onlu - with gulkit is the missing paddle buttons .
In the most respectful way possible, this problem was solved years ago. The sega dreamcast controllers joystick was borderline indestructible and uses the same technology shown in the video.
There's people out there that think playstation solved it by selling even worse thumbsticks than the Nintendo switch but selling them individually 😂😂
@@TheLegend-jp1vg The crazy thing is, the engineers at Alps Alpine knew they will wear out and ruin everything. So they made them replaceable. But Sony figured out a way to make that impossible by hardcoding the values for centering the joystick..they could vave easly just read the first value when you started the controller as the center value. And if you had replaced the joystick it would have automatically worked. By doing it this way and not have any form of calibration they also need to have a larger outer deadzone to compensate for the different random alignments during manufacturing. So they basically made it alot worse than it was delivered from the joystick factory.
A man of great wisdom also! This one hit me.
“All great things that I have achieved in my life usually starts with some suffering, so we are right on track.”
you my legend deserve so much more credit and love, you put 4 years into 17min and i nearly cried at the end. Also having massive balls for saying no to money is a big win for the rest of us that are going to freely enjoy the product. Much love brother
this is beautiful man. you need to be discovered by a lot more.... I have no money to support with or the resources to use what you're giving but I can sure as hell appreciate what you did. im sure it was a lot of work. i hope no big company uses your design without crediting you because that's something you need my brother. im looking forward to your future works!
Thank you for your kind words. Im trying to develop a business model where anyone can take my design and use it in any way. I think this might be the key to solving the limitations made by patents. This way anyone can build ontop of what i make. And my work would kinda be in the genes of anything made as a later iteration.
I’m commenting 3mo after video posting and you earned my subscription not only from your innovation and actually solving an issue I have with a high end controller, but your overall attitude towards how progress should be made. You almost matched my favorite quote, “there is no value in what you achieve, if you didn’t have to suffer for it.” This is my first video of yours I have saw and I eagerly look forward to exploring your channel sir!
Thanks for your very kind and thoughtful words. :)
The last three minutes of this video, gave me goosebumps! I can't even put my thoughts into words properly, and that very rarely happens to me. I find the last three minutes of this video very valuable. Especially in times when such values are becoming less and less important. Thanks!
Thank you so much 😁🤗🙏
Respect
we need this in the market asap. I've bought 2 scuff controllers for $240 each and they both ended up drifting terribly. Bless you!
Probably a month and its gonna be out. :)
This is somehow the most wholesome and change making video I have seen in years. I hope this project goes well. ps don't let it be stolen, copyrighted and then we can't use it
Thanks so much Seb! That means a lot.
Hall effect sticks themselfs cant be patented. only this specific design or implementation (if it has not been done before with this same design).
@@ItsMeBarnaby Gulikits claims are legit, because they only patented a specific design or implementation of hall effect stick. An idea by itself cant be patented. if that would be true then nobody would be able to make a drill because companies would have patented rotary devices long ago. Even some of scuffs patentes are wrongfully given to them. if the patented lawyer ha payed attention then scuff would not have a patented for back buttons with a specific paddle design. Because scuff also has not patented back buttons but rather the specifi paddle shape of the back buttons. that is why Valve also won the last round in court after beying sued by them.
As far as i have been able to figure out, gulikit has a patend for hall effect sensors the have a housing that resembles a potentiometer housing. (i am not very fammiliar with the specifics of the exact design that the patented), but i do know that a few other companies are also developing hcontrollers with hall effect sensors in them. And Sega has used these before they made the dreamcast. Sega used them first in the Saturn controller (wich came bvefore the dreamcast). i always wonder why people only seem to remember the dreamcast as the first controller that had hall effect sensorn. was the dreamcast more popular then the saturn? i really dont know because i have not owned any of them myself sadly.
@ItsMeBarnaby that controller lags too much, it feels great tho, just not to play any game reliant on reaction time.
@@ItsMeBarnabyYeah but they use the DAMN NINTENDO LAYOUT 😠
These are the videos that make TH-cam, and other platforms, sooo valuable! If I was able, I would give you a thousand thumbs up and funding for your next project. As it stands, all I can give you is my admiration! For myself, and those who understand the game, in spite of potential money, you are willing to step outside of it all for humanity.
Well done sir, I genuinely tip my hat.
Thanks for the kind words. You totally get it 🙏🤗😁
Mad respect. I've been waiting for somebody to do this for over a decade.
U could did it ur self in that time span
@@blackdaddy9762 Not in my income strata.
Im going to be fr, hall effect joysticks have been a thing for a while now.
@@Aaron-ru6ld I'm gonna be ru, yo mi th po.
gulikit have had hall effect controllers out for a couple years now, at around the price of a normal first party controller
Planned Obsolescence is a crime against nature. I bought my controller for 4 dollars 15 years ago, and it has just started to have a problem where the left stick gets stuck in the up position but it's still perfectly usable.
You are a man with a heart of gold, I'm happy to see another person willing to give for free just to see the world get better.
But they are already on the market? Am i missing something? Hall effect joystick are common, you can get them from numerous manufacturers.
@@Nobody-Nowhere but are they open source?
Some worlds will get better, some worlds will get worse. Im glad we are in the first. 😁✋
Thank you for addressing the springs inconsistency. I've been very disappointed that people have been ignoring it.
And I highly respect your goals for this project.
I’m grateful that in this world, a world that can be so unforgiving/corrupt/unjust, we have human beings that provide a breath of fresh air - you are that breed of person.
As a homelab enthusiast, there comes a point where I look back at why I do what I do. Often I root it back in the pure joy that is the engineering process. Making hypotheses, testing, reconfiguring, and repeating all over. I know I’ll never be perfect in what I do, but knowing what the process has meant for me makes it all the worthwhile.
Watching this video feel like a ode to this feeling I’ve had. Thank you! I’ve only watched this video on your channel yet I feel like I’ve been watching for much longer than that.
Pro tip: Buy a new controller that comes with the standard 1 year warranty. Trade it in a week before your year is up regardless of whether there is a problem or not. I do this every year. This was (quietly) recommended to me by the underpaid Gamestop employee required to ask "would you like to buy the extended warranty?".
Wow - this is just phenomenal work. I'm so impressed by your talent, generosity, and humility. I hope this really takes off! Potentiometer joysticks need to be resigned to history.
This guy did not invent the hall effect joystick. There are multiple companies producing hall effect joysticks, apparently some companies already offer drop-in replacements for existing controllers
While that's true (the Dreamcast controller had a hall effect joystick - so the industry has gone backwards in this respect), the enormous difference here is that Marius has engineered his own solution that will be released directly into the public domain, free for anyone to use and/or modify without restriction. That means nobody will be beholden to companies gatekeeping this technology, or inflating prices for this technology to be licensed for use by third parties in their products.
@@jonnytenebrous1113 There's this little thing called "intellectual property" that might get in the way.
Copying something doesn't transfer the intellectual property rights to your name, patent law doesn't work like duels did in the middle ages
@@komentierer Oh, I see you're just out trolling now.
@@jonnytenebrous1113 Why would I do that? Tech can't be open source if it's patented or a registered design. Copying it doesn't change any of that, obviously
Man its 2am and i just clicked on a random video that looked interesting without expecting much but damn.... The astounding cinematography, narrative, engineering, planning, prototyping, hard work, the touching life story bit and last but not least the beautiful dedication to pushing a solution out there for free for the greater good of much needed hall effect sticks that unraveled before me got me so focused that i didn't even notice the 17 mins passing. I gotta give it to you those are some amazing skills in a lot of fields and i love the way you are expressing them! I instantly subscribed! Top quality i just have no other words for it!
Thank you so much. Means alot you took time to write this comment. ✋😎🙏
You fully deserve it man! Much love and keep pushing
5am here and same
I'm glad this blew up. Your videos are great quality with many amazing shots going unnoticed. Hopefully this is the start of a successful TH-cam career that creates innovative tech solutions for the little guys.
I watched this video on release and forgot about it. Fast forward to today I'm looking for a new controller and heard about this new "hall effect joystick" and I had no idea it was what was made in this video until it popped up in my feed again. I cannot express how awesome you are and how much real world impact your design has had.
I'm not sure how many i inspired with my design. There is also not an implementation that is exactly like mine so far. But im releasing mine soon, it only took a year to make product out of it..haha
Amd thank you :)
I know you said "no license", but you may want to look at the Creative Commons CC0 license. It puts "I made this to be free without restriction" into the appropriate legalese.
That parting message actually gave me chills man. Incredibly admirable stuff. Got nothing but mad respect for you and wish you the absolute best. First time I come across ur channel and am looking forward to your future content, as well as binging the stuff you’ve already published on here. Godspeed, my friend 💪🏼
The worst thing about the joysticks used in modern controller’s is that sega already used magnetic Hall effects joystick back in the day so compagnie most likely know that they could replace it easily but they don’t. Anyway love the video it is very interesting!
The shift to wireless controllers was part of it. Hall effect sensors use more power than potentiometers. They wee also somewhat lower resolution back in the day in that tiny form factor. Still an issue with some of the cheaper hall sensors people are putting out today. I think Marcus' stick will probably be more sensitive than most, but we'll have to see once they actually are available to test.
You prove it's possible.
If we don't have it in today's controllers, it's because of the greed of the manufacturers.
If it don't fail, it's not viable economically.
This is our sad reality and why we will never have awesome durable product from them, but only from people like you.
Cheers and big thumb up to you. 👍
This type of stuff honestly breathes life into the small scale electronics builder who has the skills and knowledge to build something like this for a reasonable price and sell it on a small scale, and make enough money to survive, rather than working for a company that makes these things that doesn't pay them enough to pay rent
Personally, as much as it may be tempting to stick with the friction fit, I would absolutely recommend doing a bit more to avoid the magnet becoming misaligned. With how much force some people use with a game controller and even you use during tense matches, should the grease ever get too worn away it wouldn’t be difficult to accidentally misalign the magnet in some way. It would be nice if it were possible to custom design magnets to have a key hole instead of a round hole, but alas not practical, so the best option in my opinion is a dab of cyanoacrylate in the hole after the magnet is attached so that there is some more contact, this of course will mean that the joystick is less serviceable, but because there really isn’t much mechanical stress on the sensor I don’t think you will have to replace that any time soon, the button would likely be the next failure point. Hall effect sensor for that as well?
Wow!!! I purchased your amazing USB-C adapter for my PS4 controller previously, but this is truly next level. I am blown away by your altruism 👍
I hope it all worked out in the end for you. You deserve a lot of recognition AND reward for this
*_This is it!_* This solution, right here needs to spread, and spread fast! There is no excuse why this couldn't be part of ALPS' ThumbPointer suite, there is no reason why even on Sony's highest-end modules there's nothing like this. This is the sustainable future retro modders can make bank on, and help other people win the day with greater control in their games for relatively cheap! *Make this happen!*
Several companies allready sell hall effect sensor controllers and have been for awhile now, nothing new.
@@turji The problem you don't seem to recognize is that hall effect joypads are few and far in-between through an extensive period of gaming. When the Sega Dreamcast died, so did with it their HE joystick. I mean that, quite literally; the N64 had no such thing, and every first-party joypad these days uses Alps Alpine as their supplier.
It's a fascinating technology that's been in use for almost everything that rotates… except for joypads by first-parties. This mod makes it so _every_ controller has the capability to be a Hall Effect joystick, ensure that many first-party mods for controllers are not money pits because of sticks, and it'll keep _good_ pads out of landfill _forever._
There is a financial incentive for modders, of course. And for those people, modders who invest in designs like this will make heaps of bank with a soldering iron and some hot-air rework.
@bluephreakr I can understand and relate, i do this work for a living myself, electrotechnician, and it goes much in gaming equipment modding etc. I just stated that there is controllers out there and that its nothing new 2 the market. But i would gladley buy a bulk with 1000 of these to retrofit controller for my customers.
the real shame is sony used to use this kind of stuff back in the 90s and 2000s. when it was standard.
You are a very talented engineer, and an inspiration to everyone watching. Thank you for making the plans open source; you are amazing.
Also, two minor things in your video... I am guessing that English is not your primary language, but you do a wonderful job speaking it clearly. In the spirit of helping you learn better:
1) When you say Patreon "tier", your pronunciation sounds more like "tire" when it should sound like "tear", like a drop when one cries.
2) teach vs. learn - You learn from someone/something but teach to someone/something, so when you said you wanted to "learn you", that can never be correct (the only use would be "learn from you" but from cannot be implied); it should be "teach you" ("teach to you" with the "to" implied)
Again, these are minor corrections, your English is excellent, and I hope this post doesn't come across as condescending or insulting. I just wanted to help you to learn because you have taught me so much.
I'm convinced it's a problem by design. Not like the producers can't solve it but they don't want to because it's profitable
Cuse your right look up game cube controls and why they still work to this day
Keyboards are finally doing this too! Wooting got in first and I’m sure many companies are working on Hall effect sensors now. Glad progress is being made.
I can't afford to do Patreon, but I loved that ending message you have so much I had to show some form of support. That's why I subscribed and am leaving this comment to help bump your channel in the algorithm because I believe you deserve more subscribers and vicariously more attention for this video alone.
Amazing work. 👍👍
Thank you so much neo 😁🙏
Came here for a sweet tech vid, got that as well as a great motivational speech at the end. Wow! It’s really awesome what you’re doing and I don’t think anyone would blame you for licensing some of your designs to smaller tech businesses, but I love that you’re keeping this all on the home end, for the consumer and no one else, no crazy unrealistic profit margins (if any) , no marketing BS, no shareholders to please, just your pride in your work. What an amazing skill set and quality to have. I hope you are well compensated despite saying you don’t care about money, of course we all have to live. Best of luck to you sir 👍
I need just enough compensation. I think thats gonna be okay. 😉 Worried less now than 6 days ago.
i can not understate how much money the PowerA Fusion Pro 2 has saved me. i used to use xbox elite series controllers and while i loved the feeling of them, they would start losing the sensitivity in their bumpers and other buttons. i think i went through 3? literally buying one once a year because their lifetime was so shite.
one day i went to gamestop and opted for a different controller, the PowerA Fusion Pro 2. it was wired, but only cost $70-80, just under 1/3 of what the elites were costing me. i’ve had that controller now for nearly 3 years and still works completely fine. if you find yourself spending a ton on gamepads, i’m begging you try the PowerA Fusion Pro! Pretty sure they’re on 3rd gen now too!
More than anything you inspire me to keep learning electronics. I been messing around with arduinos learning programing etc.
Awesome! Then you will live this more and more :)
This is absolutely amazing, contactless joy sticks from an already available base, for the masses. Big respect brother. Like you said, if all great things come from sufferring, we're right on track in this world, but open source collaboration like this will save us.
I'm glad this video reached out to me. I've been following the Joystick lawsuit cases for a while now. This right here could be a game changer! Listen what others already told about getting this patent under an open source license to protect the creation itself.
I think you have the heart in the right place. No doubt you could profit from that but I like you're sticking to your guns. Keep it up Marius.
as a long time gamer and guy who loves to play older games. i salute your eforts to make long time preservation of controllers.
I believe the Dreamcast Analog Stick uses magnets. Awesome project, design & workmanship
really? source? wth the dreamcast was so ahead of its time lol
I found you yesterday by looking for the USB-C solution for my DS4 controller. I watched this video not realizing it was you again until after you showed yourself in the video. Massive respect to you, man! What you do is incredibly important. You inspire me. I have never had a patreon account, now I want to make one.
Thank you in all possible ways.
I'm an IoT engineer and this month alone I replaced 1 PS5 and 2 PS4 joysticks (of my own) and I think to myself; surely this can be done with magnets.
What a video! Absolute legend!
Of course it can be done with magnets, Sega Saturn and Sega Dreamcast controllers had hall effect analog sticks
Can I get a thumbs up for him for the video i thought was going to be about a fix, but instead got a beautifully poetic video about making the world a better place and taking down a bullshit 20 billion dollar controller scam. BRAVO!!!!!
You sir, are extremely talented, and gifted beyond belief. And I get that you wish to work alone but please consider working with others. The hardest part is finding those you can trust and work hard with, but i genuinely believe, all great things, all things that have pushed humanity forward, were done by great minds put together, not just one.
Thank you. I can work with others without synchroninzing with them the way we are suppose to work together..anyone who use something i made, will actually be working with me. But just not in the standard way. 😁😉
First time finding this channel, I have so much respect for what you can do and how you are doing it ❤
Thank you 👍😁
Marius you’re an absolute legend. I have a huge amount of respect for you and what you’re doing. Thank you.
Someone will steal your idea but on it perfect it and say that did it😢... Id rather buy it off you. You sound like a decent reliable chap and not a money hungry business ready to extort us
The mental toughness someone has to have to reject money purely beacause they love and feel passionate about something. You are so focused on your goals and way of doing things that discovering and seeing your videos inspires me to keep pushing on my studies.
I truly look forward to your advances, and maybe, someday, be a litle bit like you.
Keep up the good work.
I'm glad youtube recommended me your video! Finally someone decided to tackle the biggest issue in modern gaming controllers.
Just found this video and watched it. Excellent job. I was just tinkering with the thought that i will try to learn and somehow create a hall effect joystick for the current gen of consoles. But i see you are way in to this project already. If i can i definitely will support you on patreon, and when the final product comes out, i will start fixing and offering this product in my country, as stick drift is already a huge problem and nobody likes to send to repair their controller after every few months. Really shameful for these big tech companies that they so profit driven they don't give a crap about their customers needs, and a random person has to do the work to make their product durable enough to be enjoyable. Brilliant job mate.
Hey that sounds awesome. This is kinda my goal with the project. For others to take the products and make money on them. And get voulentary donations from those who sell them to the customers.
Btw. Im also making machienes to produce this stuff at super low price at a home workshop
The saddest thing about the whole controller situation is that Playstation has USED MAGNETORESISTIVE SENSORS in a couple versions of the Dualshock 3 controller. Then for whatever reason, they went back to the crap that wears out faster.
Literally solved the issue as a leading brand then turned their backs on it for the foreseeable future.
They went back to the crappy way because their bean-counters noted that they were making less money with durable controllers - simple as that, really and this is a known problem of late stage capitalism
Against this backdrop, don't expect sensible use of valuable finite resources. We're literally ruining our environment and habitat to make a couple of extra bucks 😂
I've had controllers for years, and never experienced any drift, but this is still super cool to see someone put this much effort to help others.
I'm just waiting for you and your work to both blow up and catch the traction that it deserves. You're doing an amazing work and I hope someday in the future a big media company like LTT or someone else gives you a huge shoutout to bring even more supporters in.
good call. i can see ltt do a shoutout. they are fans of repairability, hall effect, and individuals that just do stuff. if these joysticks get finished, i would see that absolutly possible
TH-cam recommended this out of nowhere.
I fully support your video and idea.
You deserve a sub.
I am from a third world country and don't have an account for Patreon but I enjoyed your videos.
Wish you keep doing what you think is right man.
Thank you for your effort for the future of gaming.
Hey. Thanks for your comment. Thanks for subbing, within the next 6 month I will release machines/tools that can get you in the game of making electronics :D
Not to be a bummer, I mean I wouldn't be able to do this in a million years, but the dreamcast controllers already used magnets on their analog sticks... dont know why they changed to potentiometers. Amazing work dude!!
Big applaus for you man! The amount of detail and work you put into this is staggering! I'm really amazed!
The joysticks on the sega saturn used hall effect sensors. Just another example of why the saturn was WAY ahead of its time.
the sixaxis controller also used hall sensors
This is incredible! I'm currently working on fixing up a PS2 controller (Pelican Afterglow Wired) that has recessed R2, L2 buttons and am hoping I can update it a bit to use as my main PC controller. I've already hard-wired in a PS2 -> PC adapter that fits within the controller and am excited to hopefully convert the joysticks to Hall Effect when your project is completed!
i thought some ps2 and 3 controllers already were
Awesome. Sounds cool! Can also make a new circuit board for it based on the new mainboard im making for the ps4
@@fluffypinkpandasno, hall effects on game controllers specifically is a relatively new concept. Ps2 controllers had a software or something that if I remember correctly, expanded the deadzone .
@@rubenvb1835 They aren't a new concept. For example Dreamcast was using magnets back in the day. Saturn too if I remember correctly (?), but don't quote me on that.
@@rubenvb1835 A lot of PS3 controller revisions had hall effect sensors in them for the sticks.
At some point SONY was using these hall effect joystick potentiometers on the dualshock 3 controllers. I am sure you know why they went back to resistors with wipers. 🤷♂️
You are a god send to gamers and those environmentally conscious. No more controllers in landfills.
The amount of work you put into bettering the hardware side of video games for no profit is genuinely inspiring. What you do reminds me of other small projects like the Alpakka gamepad that aspire to innovate on new ways of playing the games we love and cherish. I'd be interested to see if you can do hall effect triggers as drop-in replacement parts for existing gamepads, if it's not too much work for you. Thanks for showing off your technical innovation to the wider public.
The Valve Index controllers need this so bad. This is so damn neat; great work man
Omg as someone with three kids that game. Thank you so much for working on this! Steak drift is such an expensive problem
Open source is the future. Thank you for being ahead of the curve with this!
Solid person. This video is equivalent of the days when things were made from steel and lasted forever with only minor fixes needed over time. From cars to refrigerators and things in between. This is a person that empowers other people to be able to learn to fix things themselves. We need more of this type of integrity in today's world. You are a god amongst thieves.
Thanks! I've just started, you should see the things ahead :D
As someone who releases everything "unlicensed" or at worst CC0 (creative commons No Rights Reserved), i applaud this sort of decision. It's not my job to make sure other people aren't awful, i can just be not-awful myself.
This world needs more people like this. It is this kind of thinking and selflessness that will push humanity towards a future where we survive and become the best that we can be. I sadly do not have the financial means to contribute :( but I really hope that others can. Keep up the good work.
16:33 You say without any license, but it may be a good idea to use some sort of copyleft license in order to protect it from someone else who might snatch it up and prevent others from open access somehow. I am inspired by your commitment to open hardware! Great job! Edit: Lol, I didn't see that the top comment is literally saying the same thing.