Kevin, Your fitting of different gears with the same part number reminds me of when I would trial fit hammers and triggers in Smith&Wesson revolvers. All were the same part numbers but some fit perfectly if you were willing to take the time.
Great stuff Kevin...just did an S&S 583g on my 2005 fl. Built the motor with S&S flywheels and a Timken conversion 2 years ago and it still has less than a thou tir! My only beef with the gear drive is the cost of swapping out pinion gears to get backlash for the shade tree guy like me. Had to go 1 undersized and it cost me $130 to do it! Should be done kind of an exchange thing with these gears since tolerances are all over the place you know...j
Well done. I do agree however...the need for different gears is a result of several stacked tolerances that the gears cant be blamed for. I get your point though.
P.S. you could not be more right about getting lash right and runout less than a thousandth. My S&S flywheel is true and the lash took time to set up but the benefit is I can't even hear it run at any rpm!!! Wow I was shocked!!
Great channel! My question is how much is the runout /backlash likely to change when loaded with high HP engines over time? Can these tolerances (.003/.001) be maintained over a reasonable amount of miles before wear kicks in? Thanks for all the great info. My Ref. 2021 M8 that I'm considering an SS cam chest for. Chain vs Gear? what's really a reasonable choice for the next 50k miles? Thanks again!! keep up the great information.
Built and rode many a dirt bike,Cr's,Yz's,Rm's,Kz's had a few road bikes Secca,Kz.,etc.Anyway never any Harleys,almost purchased a Triumph .Point being,I will be getting one meaning = Harley sooner than later .That being said I appreciate all the knowledge you give about these machines,some of the info. never crossed my mind,but my biggest takeaway is put it together correctly respecting tolerances and a Harley can be a reliable bike.
Hi Mr. Baxter how are you? I have a problem on a Heritage Softail Classic, FLSTC carburetor, 2000 twin cam: We replaced the original camshaft with S&S 510g and all the seals... Since then the engine has been ticking, but only hot. The cold runs very nicely and quietly. We are trying to find the cause of the ticking. Then I replaced the original lifters with new ones, it didn't help. I also bought another one S&S hydraulic precision lifters, nothing helped. Then I replaced the original push rods with Quicky adjustable S&S push rods. I went through the process 20 times and adjusted them according to the manufacturer's instructions and in the end the engine still ticks when hot. I replaced synthetic engine oil with mineral oil, still the same. Then I got the rocker lockers and installed them, still the same. Most of the gaskets are new and so are the semmerings, I also replaced both exhaust meshes. No oil or exhaust leaks anywhere. I also changed the stator, regulator, seals on the primary, easy clutch kit, everything is ok, nothing rattles or ticks on the primary side. The motorcycle pulls great, with no problems, I really like it, only this ticking is driving me nuts and I don't know what to do anymore. Still running stock cam plate and oil pump and stock heds. It is a possible problem in the gears when the oil gets hot. Thank you very much.
Thank you for the great video: I have an 107 set up on a 2012 dyna. Got TW 5-6 575 Andrews chain cams. Is it possible to switch to gear cams set up? What would be the equivalent gear drive cams ?
Not to appear negative at all, but I cannot remember an engine I built and did not use a degree wheel. Also, I check every lobe for lift and duration. I feel if one is going to put the money and time in building an engine, the degreeing process is a must.
That's not negative at all and I agree with you. I chuck cams in the lathe and check them and will degree during the build. This video in particular, was just about backlash on gear drive. Degree is for a video all by itself. Thank you sir!
I want to know can you use Gear Drive cams and then use the chain drive on the outside. That way it's easy enough to change the tensioner just on the outside so you don't always have to remove the cam plate to replace the tensioner on the inside
No. Cams would have to be custom ground to do this due to directional change of rotation. Gear to gear, one cam turns opposite direction. Chain, both turn same direction. Only way would be with an idler gear but that would require a special cam plate.
On the cam gear drive system... Is there still a chain that connects the cams together on the back of the cam plate? Everyone always shows the front assembly, but I haven't seen the rear of the cam plate, to see how the front cam is being turned... And again... How do you measure the crank runout, without removing the crank from the engine? Sorry if that's a dumb question...
Not a stupid question at all. There is a pair of gears behind the plate that connect them together. Answered the second question on your original post. Thanks.
Very informative. Do you have a video or comment on checking the backlash of the rear cam inner gear. This is done while holding the front cam to prevent rotation and rock the rear cam drive to check for movement. Is this necessary?
I did a follow up video about that very thing. It should be listed in the videos. Thanks for following and for the kind words. Please subscribe and check out other videos as well...try to keep folks informed.
Great video, thanks for posting. In the near future I will be dealing with this design issue on two bikes. I enjoy riding my HD Road King, but HD has lost my business. This should have been covered by HD, but they produced flawed bikes for 8 years. This is a company that does not care about repeat business.
Hey Kevin...great vids...just curious I am running gear drive and I have the same camplate too as @1:30 in the vid. What's that vertical bar do that's to the right of the outer gears. Is it for reflecting oil ? J
I think the decision is easy. 2001...timken bottom end. that's great. check your pinion run out...if it's .003 or less and it's in your budget, go with gear. If not in the budget or crank a little out...chain. that is unless you have a ton of miles on her and want to completely go thru it. Give me a call at the shop on Tues...may be able to help you with that.
Kevin Baxter I really appreciate that Kevin. The bike just turned 33k miles I think gear drive is the way to go. If my crank is out I think I’ll just pull it and true/weld it, or drop in the S&S crank. My local HD shop charges $128/hr labor (NYC), so even buying all the specialty tools I’ll be ahead. Supposedly the crankshafts were good forged ones in 2001, so maybe truing it is would be enough. I’ll inspect the tappets for hardface wear. I’m considering the S&S higher flow oil pump, but not sure it’s totally necessary. When the time comes for the top end, that’s when I’ll probably go for a 95” kit.
start with checking cam chain tensioners before it blows up evo single cam or sporster is the best machine chain cams are another way for harley to make money on repairs they suck older motors are single cam by far the best reliability
Is that 6 tenths of a thousandth? If so, that's remarkable, I wouldn't even call that runout that could just be a slight imperfection in the crank shaft yeah?
What is the weight difference between gears vs chains? What is the real benefit of cam gears over chains. Wouldn’t it be a decrease in hp due to the additional rotating mass? I have seen bikes pulling way more rpm and hp with chains and never heard of one breaking without other issues that cause it to fail. Mostly someone not adjusting the tensioner.
Do you guys do engine swaps so we send you our old one and you send us your reconditioned ones? So that we can install the best available one on the market in our old bikes?
We do have a reman service where customers send their engine to us. We go completely thru it and restore/reman to as good or better than new. For TC and M8 we have core heads and cyls only for core swap. For Evo and older, you would have to send us your parts.
@@KevinBaxter can you give me a quote for a Evo. I have a 1982 FXR with an Evo and it has had problems since I bought it. I have not even rode it in over 10 years.
Hi Kevin, I recently install a gear drive on my TC88, gear backlash is within specs, only one out of four is having 0 lash, eventually after 1hour riding the cam cover is so hot way hotter than normal, so if i want to get an undersize pinion gear, do I need to remove top end pushrods and lifters again or can I just open the cam cover and get the pinion gear replace? Thanks
Gear drive cams....one of the cams is ground for opposing rotation. Thats why you can't have gear drive rear with chain drive front setup without an idler gear.
my older brother lost the cam-bearings (ina) original in his 01 Electra glide twin-cam.he had an s&s gear drive with cams installed by a dealership, that bike whistled for 5,000 miles he used to put lucas oil additve in it to keep it quite. gear lash! thanks, il tell him again ill-fitting gears.
I used to degree a ton of the single cam Shovels and Evo's....those could be moved and a lot NEEDED to be. For our custom builds on TC, that get's done as well and if i have a custom grind done, I always check those to verify. This video is more for the common buiilder/installer or DIY guy....in all my years of traveling and teaching engine building/tuning, etc....I've never seen one motorcycle shop that actually had a degree wheel (excluding a couple that are in the biz of developing custom components). I teach them how to use one, but doubt they do ever again. Manuf tolerances and CNC tech is so much better than it was even 10 years ago, for the TC cams I've checked...they were so close it made no difference. Thanks for mentioning that.
Oh that's not good. backlash or runout is definitely off bud. Get that taken down and looked at asap before it messes up the crank or worse. Can break gear teeth and destroy the engine. No joke.
You are correct....but in "machinists quick lingo".....its understood that the basis for most measurements are in "thousandths". So when one says a "tenth", its understood to be 1/10th of 1 thousandth.
@@KevinBaxter very informative videos I am inheriting a 1999 road king that has been modified and has the gear drive set up so it was a great video to understand how it's done since my buddy was a machinist at Chevy I'm assuming it's going to be perfect I'll find out soon thanks again Kevin!
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need
I’ve been a tradesman for 30 years and it’s always, the attention to detail, that makes all the difference.
Thanks Kev👍
Kevin,
Your fitting of different gears with the same part number reminds me of when I would trial fit hammers and triggers in Smith&Wesson revolvers. All were the same part numbers but some fit perfectly if you were willing to take the time.
Now, that's some "specialized" gun smithing, for sure! 👍
Thanks Kevin. Im never to old to learn a new trick or two.
thank you for watching
Just had the S&S 509Gs installed in my 2002 FLSTS.
I just installed those a couple of years ago and my 2000 RG. I have had no problems with them at all and I absolutely love the results they gave me
Great stuff Kevin...just did an S&S 583g on my 2005 fl. Built the motor with S&S flywheels and a Timken conversion 2 years ago and it still has less than a thou tir! My only beef with the gear drive is the cost of swapping out pinion gears to get backlash for the shade tree guy like me. Had to go 1 undersized and it cost me $130 to do it! Should be done kind of an exchange thing with these gears since tolerances are all over the place you know...j
Well done. I do agree however...the need for different gears is a result of several stacked tolerances that the gears cant be blamed for. I get your point though.
6/10 is what I call a straight crank/set of wheels.💪
Makes me look forward to my rebuild by Kevin and crew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh man.....me too!!!!
Beautiful tech tip...especially when assembling machined parts that demand such tight but exact tolerances.
Thank you so much!
Thanks again for a very clear and informative vid.especially on the backlash specs and how to check,bravo
Excellence and precision as usual. Great video.
P.S. you could not be more right about getting lash right and runout less than a thousandth. My S&S flywheel is true and the lash took time to set up but the benefit is I can't even hear it run at any rpm!!! Wow I was shocked!!
Great channel! My question is how much is the runout /backlash likely to change when loaded with high HP engines over time? Can these tolerances (.003/.001) be maintained over a reasonable amount of miles before wear kicks in? Thanks for all the great info. My Ref. 2021 M8 that I'm considering an SS cam chest for. Chain vs Gear? what's really a reasonable choice for the next 50k miles? Thanks again!! keep up the great information.
Built and rode many a dirt bike,Cr's,Yz's,Rm's,Kz's had a few road bikes Secca,Kz.,etc.Anyway never any Harleys,almost purchased a Triumph .Point being,I will be getting one meaning = Harley sooner than later .That being said I appreciate all the knowledge you give about these machines,some of the info. never crossed my mind,but my biggest takeaway is put it together correctly respecting tolerances and a Harley can be a reliable bike.
Thanks for following and for the kind words. Please subscribe and check out other videos as well...try to keep folks informed.
Hi Mr. Baxter how are you?
I have a problem on a Heritage Softail Classic, FLSTC carburetor, 2000 twin cam: We replaced the original camshaft with S&S 510g and all the seals... Since then the engine has been ticking, but only hot. The cold runs very nicely and quietly. We are trying to find the cause of the ticking.
Then I replaced the original lifters with new ones, it didn't help. I also bought another one S&S hydraulic precision lifters, nothing helped. Then I replaced the original push rods with Quicky adjustable S&S push rods. I went through the process 20 times and adjusted them according to the manufacturer's instructions and in the end the engine still ticks when hot. I replaced synthetic engine oil with mineral oil, still the same. Then I got the rocker lockers and installed them, still the same. Most of the gaskets are new and so are the semmerings, I also replaced both exhaust meshes. No oil or exhaust leaks anywhere. I also changed the stator, regulator, seals on the primary, easy clutch kit, everything is ok, nothing rattles or ticks on the primary side. The motorcycle pulls great, with no problems, I really like it, only this ticking is driving me nuts and I don't know what to do anymore.
Still running stock cam plate and oil pump and stock heds. It is a possible problem in the gears when the oil gets hot.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for the great video: I have an 107 set up on a 2012 dyna. Got TW 5-6 575 Andrews chain cams. Is it possible to switch to gear cams set up? What would be the equivalent gear drive cams ?
youd have to buy new cams of course....gear vs chain are ground differently.
Not to appear negative at all, but I cannot remember an engine I built and did not use a degree wheel. Also, I check every lobe for lift and duration. I feel if one is going to put the money and time in building an engine, the degreeing process is a must.
That's not negative at all and I agree with you. I chuck cams in the lathe and check them and will degree during the build. This video in particular, was just about backlash on gear drive. Degree is for a video all by itself. Thank you sir!
For ANY "performance" motor, regardless of how many cylinders it has... lol
Two yr old comment but Dang.. now I need to research how to degree cams on my twin cam.. I figured there was only one way to install them
How long would it take for run out to get bad and cause major issues when the gears run tight or does it stay at that runout
Thanks Kevin. Best in the game !
Thank you sir.
Looking for a plug and play cam for my 96 motor want to beef my motor up by just switching out the cams and keeping my stock heads and springs
Hey Kevin. Great video. I have an 03 wide glide. What are the chances that I have less than. 003 runout?
on an 03, very good actually. those were good years for cranks. good luck.
That is a sweet looking set up on that motor
thank you
I want to know can you use Gear Drive cams and then use the chain drive on the outside. That way it's easy enough to change the tensioner just on the outside so you don't always have to remove the cam plate to replace the tensioner on the inside
No. Cams would have to be custom ground to do this due to directional change of rotation. Gear to gear, one cam turns opposite direction. Chain, both turn same direction. Only way would be with an idler gear but that would require a special cam plate.
it sounded like it would be a good idea
@@KevinBaxter Hey Kevin I heard its best to check runout from both sides of the crank.
Good information. Nice to know that these aren't plug and play kits.
That's the difference, you love your job
This guy is a engine Surgeon!
On the cam gear drive system... Is there still a chain that connects the cams together on the back of the cam plate?
Everyone always shows the front assembly, but I haven't seen the rear of the cam plate, to see how the front cam is being turned...
And again... How do you measure the crank runout, without removing the crank from the engine?
Sorry if that's a dumb question...
Not a stupid question at all. There is a pair of gears behind the plate that connect them together. Answered the second question on your original post. Thanks.
@@KevinBaxter Thanks for the info... Maybe flip the cam plate around and give us less educated peoples a peek at the magic of gear drives!
Awesome info as usual 👍. Thanks Kevin!
Thank you very much!
Very informative. Do you have a video or comment on checking the backlash of the rear cam inner gear. This is done while holding the front cam to prevent rotation and rock the rear cam drive to check for movement. Is this necessary?
I did a follow up video about that very thing. It should be listed in the videos. Thanks for following and for the kind words. Please subscribe and check out other videos as well...try to keep folks informed.
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Great video, thanks for posting. In the near future I will be dealing with this design issue on two bikes. I enjoy riding my HD Road King, but HD has lost my business. This should have been covered by HD, but they produced flawed bikes for 8 years. This is a company that does not care about repeat business.
Hey Kevin...great vids...just curious I am running gear drive and I have the same camplate too as @1:30 in the vid. What's that vertical bar do that's to the right of the outer gears. Is it for reflecting oil ? J
It's to support a plastic chain guide that isn't needed when swapping to gears.
Trying right now to figure out what to do with my 2001 fxdwg. Good info.
I think the decision is easy. 2001...timken bottom end. that's great. check your pinion run out...if it's .003 or less and it's in your budget, go with gear. If not in the budget or crank a little out...chain. that is unless you have a ton of miles on her and want to completely go thru it. Give me a call at the shop on Tues...may be able to help you with that.
Kevin Baxter
I really appreciate that Kevin.
The bike just turned 33k miles I think gear drive is the way to go.
If my crank is out I think I’ll just pull it and true/weld it, or drop in the S&S crank.
My local HD shop charges $128/hr labor (NYC), so even buying all the specialty tools I’ll be ahead.
Supposedly the crankshafts were good forged ones in 2001, so maybe truing it is would be enough.
I’ll inspect the tappets for hardface wear.
I’m considering the S&S higher flow oil pump, but not sure it’s totally necessary.
When the time comes for the top end, that’s when I’ll probably go for a 95” kit.
start with checking cam chain tensioners before it blows up evo single cam or sporster is the best machine chain cams are another way for harley to make money on repairs they suck older motors are single cam by far the best reliability
How much would the final price be to convert 03 FXSTS?
Great information Kevin
Thanks for watching!
What's the price on that gear drive kit?
Is that 6 tenths of a thousandth? If so, that's remarkable, I wouldn't even call that runout that could just be a slight imperfection in the crank shaft yeah?
I'm late to the party but great video!
Is there such thing as a "twin cam" gear drive?
Just wondering.
What is the weight difference between gears vs chains? What is the real benefit of cam gears over chains. Wouldn’t it be a decrease in hp due to the additional rotating mass? I have seen bikes pulling way more rpm and hp with chains and never heard of one breaking without other issues that cause it to fail. Mostly someone not adjusting the tensioner.
Do you guys do engine swaps so we send you our old one and you send us your reconditioned ones? So that we can install the best available one on the market in our old bikes?
We do have a reman service where customers send their engine to us. We go completely thru it and restore/reman to as good or better than new. For TC and M8 we have core heads and cyls only for core swap. For Evo and older, you would have to send us your parts.
@@KevinBaxter can you give me a quote for a Evo. I have a 1982 FXR with an Evo and it has had problems since I bought it. I have not even rode it in over 10 years.
Hi Kevin, I recently install a gear drive on my TC88, gear backlash is within specs, only one out of four is having 0 lash, eventually after 1hour riding the cam cover is so hot way hotter than normal, so if i want to get an undersize pinion gear, do I need to remove top end pushrods and lifters again or can I just open the cam cover and get the pinion gear replace? Thanks
Well....if you can find a sweet spot where there is no tension on the gears...but that may be tough.
How does cam rotation stay the same
Gear drive cams....one of the cams is ground for opposing rotation. Thats why you can't have gear drive rear with chain drive front setup without an idler gear.
Anyone tried to run gears on the cams and chain on the pinion? Never have too worry about the runout and easy enough to check it once in a while.
Cam rotation is counter on a chain drive vs gears. A special set up would need to be made.
I like the Don't Tread on Me flag! 👍
Edit: never mind.. rewatched.. you’re saying six tenths of a thousandth .. got it
What if the backlash is too tight (no backlash)?
my older brother lost the cam-bearings (ina) original in his 01 Electra glide twin-cam.he had an s&s gear drive with cams installed by a dealership, that bike whistled for 5,000 miles he used to put lucas oil additve in it to keep it quite. gear lash! thanks, il tell him again ill-fitting gears.
the single most common issue with gear drive install....
Great vid
thank you.
What about degreering the cams
I used to degree a ton of the single cam Shovels and Evo's....those could be moved and a lot NEEDED to be. For our custom builds on TC, that get's done as well and if i have a custom grind done, I always check those to verify. This video is more for the common buiilder/installer or DIY guy....in all my years of traveling and teaching engine building/tuning, etc....I've never seen one motorcycle shop that actually had a degree wheel (excluding a couple that are in the biz of developing custom components). I teach them how to use one, but doubt they do ever again. Manuf tolerances and CNC tech is so much better than it was even 10 years ago, for the TC cams I've checked...they were so close it made no difference. Thanks for mentioning that.
@@KevinBaxter thx for the reply
I like these guys. I wish I could afford them
good work ain't cheap and cheap work ain't good..
where are you located at?
723 W Winder Industrial Pkwy, Winder Ga.
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You guys are anazing
thank you sir!!! appreciate the views.
Well as I understand. It. Never. Go with gear driven until you. Check. Run out and with. Crack. Welded. Never gobwith. Gear driven until. Weld. Crank
Man my gear drive on my 99 fxdx has a loud whin at high RPM’s sounds like a Chevy block gear drive ,
Oh that's not good. backlash or runout is definitely off bud. Get that taken down and looked at asap before it messes up the crank or worse. Can break gear teeth and destroy the engine. No joke.
Wouldn't .0006 be 6 ten thousanths? 6 tenths would be .600. Maybe you meant to say 6 tenths of a thou.
You are correct....but in "machinists quick lingo".....its understood that the basis for most measurements are in "thousandths". So when one says a "tenth", its understood to be 1/10th of 1 thousandth.
Not trivial very smart !
thanks
@@KevinBaxter very informative videos I am inheriting a 1999 road king that has been modified and has the gear drive set up so it was a great video to understand how it's done since my buddy was a machinist at Chevy I'm assuming it's going to be perfect I'll find out soon thanks again Kevin!
thanks Lou. Good luck...hope it works out well for you.
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#mikejones
Harley davidson crankshaft run out is excessive junk
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need
thanks for the information glad to know you use dark horse cranks
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need
Ok. Will I need weld flywheel. To. Gonwithbgear drive. Gor I like gear drive. If get right they last for ever. 500000. Mile. Even longer. If. Motor. Hold up that Long. I will. Find. Out if will last that Long. I have. To keep bike. Up. Mantince. Do. Once are. Twist. Year. And daily inspection check tire and. Keep. Watch on oil pressure. I need get. Cam plate and oil pump. I see bolt on cam. Fueling. Cam plate and oil pump. It said it work. With stock. Push road value. Spring and lifter. I would. Like. Use roller. Liter if it. Best to. But I'm confuse if. Would have aust lifter. Then. Is Cam. Any better then one in it ? Because if. Cam. Has higher. Left. It should. You need a just lifter. Are would you. I.let you. What old. Cost me. I ques. I may go with chain. Drive. I. Have problem with. Fun out. If crank. Has no run out. Yes I would. Like to go with gear drive. If Has. None. Then more like it never will. I onder if ever. 96 has. Limit amount of run out. Are just few. Wonder ? I'm learning. I like gear drive.latter when. Get.lot mile on bike. Need