If you want more diversity, then create your own story with more diversity. Tolkien was a veteran of the WWI battlefield. How much diversity do you think there was on that battlefield within your own immediate company ? How many women do you think were on that battlefield ? It is arrogant for anyone to feel the right to change someone else’s creation. Create your own of that what you want to be represented. Don’t steal someone else’s creation to then hijack as your own vehicle for your own personal opinions.
Actually none of those have any racial distinctive qualities within their characters. In Middle Earth there are explicitly clear racial distinctions, and not just individual character distinctions. Your attempt to apply absolutist logic suggests it would be perfectly acceptable to cast NBA players as Dwarves.....because we're all the same, right ? How about wheelchair bound actors as Orcs ? In some stories there are in fact racial distinctions. If you deny that, then should we re-do Roots and cast it with actors solely on the basis that they just want the audience to see someone that looks like them, and completely ignore the key relevance of race within the story ? How about we cast it with Vietnamese actors ? Would you have a problem with that ? Or, is this where you pull out your double standard ? I'll bet you don't have a problem with the tradition of a "Dark Elf" character is always depicted as caucasion, but you'd protest if they always cast a black actor as a "Dark Elf". And if black actors were cast as the villains in all of your examples, you'd protest about that as well.....but you're ok so long as it's the hero of the story. I actually don't have a problem with casting any actor with any character, so long as the cannon allows for it. The actors themselves should keep their opinions to themselves when doing the marketing for the work they have a vested interest in continuing to be employed in making that work. You know how we will arrive one day at race no longer being a factor in conversation other than for purposes of identification ? As Morgan Freeman says: when we stop talking about it.
I thank god that the movies were made in the start 2000's. I thank all the actors for moving to New Zealand. I thank the production crew for their incredibly hard work. I thank New Line Cinema for allowing Peter Jackson to make these incredible movies with heart and dignity. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
Honestly Peter Jackson was not having easy time. During pre production stage studio was pushing to do certain things in movies. For example a more explicit love triangle between Aragorn, Arwen and Eowin. Kill some of the main characters. Peter Jackson at some point had enough and said that he wants to quit and they can find director who will make this production for them. After that they back down a little.
What arrogance and narcissism! I didn't see MYSELF represented in PJ's films. Know what? WHO CARES!!! The films weren't telling my story, they were telling the story TOLKIEN wrote. And not one of the women in the LotR books/films just sat around waiting for men to "swoop in and save them." My gosh, the drivel those whiny actors spewed throughout this video - and clearly more than one of them never bothered to watch PJ's films or read the books. They should have - it may have helped RoP not be the garbage dumpster it's turned out to be. I sat through all of season 1 so I could give the show as a whole a fair judgement. The only way I could finish it was to view it as just another fantasy series, a show that's completely unrelated to Tolkien's world in any way. The total lack of respect for Tolkien and the world he created permeates every second of it. The "creators" and actors care far more about the skin color and genitalia of the characters they're portraying, than they do about the source material and canon. The "creators" and actors themselves in this video even say they've used RoP to advance social issues. Tolkien's world isn't even mentioned unless it's in conjunction with the skin color and sex of characters they've decided to make up. The actor who said, "The generation that comes after us now, THIS will be their memory of Tolkien," could not be more wrong. First, RoP isn't going to last for more than two seasons at the most. The second, and most important reason is that we will make sure the next generation grows up reading the books and watching the PJ films. For all of their faults (and yes, there are a fair number), at least PJ, the actors, and all of the crew truly love and respect Tolkien, his work, and the Middle-Earth HE created, and it shows through quite clearly.
And actually Peter Jackson’s trilogy praise the female with Eowin killing the king of Nazgûl, with Arwin riding faster than a man to save Frodo from the Nazgûl’s and his wound from the blade , she is a woman but she was still strong and with Galadriels presence and mystic power, she was respected by her fellow elves . This series reflects EXACTLY the woke culture of today. You can empower women by actually appreciating their more delicate but elegant nature. Eowin was also a fighter but she was not arrogant or narcissistic about it. She did not need to do any back flip to kill the enemy. Women’s strength lies in their femininity and their humble nature. All these arrogant , feminist, woke women characters are an embarrassment for us , and something I would avoid becoming.
Amazon failed because it was very obvious that nobody involved could be bothered to read or understand the book or even properly watch the films that it spawned.
I have never really understood the "represent me" argument and it just feels narcissistic. I grew up watching most of the classic Kung Fu movies and not once did i reflect over that everyone in the movies were Chinese (or at least Asian).
Fr, you don't need to be represented to enjoy something. The only time representation matters is when portraying real life people, subjects related to a specific community..etc. this is a fantasy novel. If they wanted black ppl so bad they could have used the already established material, there are so many dwarf lands,They couldn't even make a backstory for one of them.
It’s mainly that Peter Jackson and his team ( which is led by two women- Philippa, Boyens and Fran Walsh) were story tellers. The people at Amazon are story sellers. They made business decisions, not creative ones. Even the bad decisions Jackson made were out of love. Having Radagast or stopping things for Balin to give exposition dumps was out of his love for the Lore and desire to include as much of it as possible in his adaptation. Having too much screen time for the master and Alfrid because he liked the actors. A few aspects like the friendships. In RoP, the ham fisted dialogue has to remind us that characters are friends. There’s the one scene with the table for Durin and Elrond, but it’s only decent compared to the rest of the show and doesn’t compare to the friendships in any of Peter Jackson’s movies. Bilbo and Thorin’s friendship built from Thorin resenting Bilbo’s presence on the quest, but still being protective of him despite his initial words to Gandalf about not being responsible for him (he doesn’t let the trolls kill Bilbo and saves him on the cliff) to really valuing Bilbo when he sees his resourcefulness and willing heart We see Sam refuse to leave Frodo and Frodo being grateful to Sam. We see Pippin save Faramir. We see Legolas stand up for Gimli and their friendly competition. There are tons of examples where we see close friendships in Peter Jackson movie. On RoP. Poppy and Nori have to say they’re friends. Isildur and his generic friends have to say they’ve been friends for a long time. Galadriel and Elrond have to say they’re friends. Monologues and emotional moments are also where Jackson succeeds and RoP falls.
I expected Tolkien's story. I didn't expect a political statement. They had a Tolkien scholar on staff and got rid of him. I didn't care for the entire thing. It was a complete letdown.
They did it all for profit. Amazon thought they were going to be able to disrespect the fans and completely tear apart the source material and make over a billion dollars from it. Good luck, Amazon 👍 I cannot believe this crap is THE most expensive television show ever created.
This idea that I as a so-called person of color need to see people with my skin color in a tv show or in a movie to feel "represented" and like I can relate to the characters, is in my opinion one of the more idiotic, and frankly, racist ways of thinking that we see in modern pop culture. Weren't we trying to get away from thinking that skin color meant anything? Didn't we agree that it's what's on the inside that counts? Why would I want to see my favourite characters change ethnicity or gender just because someone thinks it makes their show look better? Frankly I find it both embarrassing and infuriating that the color of my skin is being used to try to sell me a tv show. As long as the characters are well written, feel human and genuine, does things that I like and find interesting, and that make an impression on me or inspire me, I can look up to them, and feel they are written for me. If so, it doesn't matter if they are Aragorn, Galadriel, Gandalf, Sarumann, Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, Agent Smith, Blade, Luke Skywalker, Boba Fett, Mace Windu, Darth Vader, Ahsoka Tano, Beatrix Kiddo, Djangoo, Hans Landa, Ellen Ripley, Jon Snow, Brienne of Tarth, John Wick, Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, The Joker, Kal-El, Kit Walker, Neytiri, Leeloo, Lafayette Reynolds, Sarah Connor or Tyler Durden. I relate to the characters by their actions, thoughts, words and virtues, not by the color of their skin..
I am glad that you're seeing it the way you do. Because of course Tolkien's stories are centred in European countries, but in the end even that doesn't matter, because as you said those stories are from human to human no matter the outside. Thank you for your insights.
Well said, fella. Also, they could have brought diversity in legitimately - Rhun and Umbar are fascinating places and many Numenoreans had darker skin. But instead they elected for ridiculous colour-blind casting. It's lazy and racist.
Imagine LOTR was produced in 2020s instead of in early 2000s, there might be all sorts of representations in those 9 members of the fellowship. White, asian, black, latin, lgbtq, etc. We might even have seen a transgendered asian Aragorn🤔😅
I don’t even want to think about how terrible it would have been especially seeing how we know what it would have looked like based on the dumpster fire they created lol i hope amazon dumps all the money they’ve made into it and go under so they can be locked away forever. They aint even worth pirating let alone buying lol
I think some of the young actors, in the Rings of Power, need to read The Lord of The Rings. Some of their comments, show that they are really clueless, about it. Rings of Power, failed because it was a mess. Amazon spent the money, in the wrong places.
Uhhhh, if she really wanted to be the first dwarf woman...she should have had a beard and nearly a man's voice. THEY (dwarves in middle earth) are mostly mistaken for a dwarf man. -Gimli : "It's true you don't see many Dwarf-women. And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they are often mistaken for Dwarf-men."
Everyone else already mentioned RoP using diversity as a replacement for writing interesting characters, but I want to point out that last scene with PJ and Elijah Wood. RoP lacked vision and direction: two things Jackson (and most of his crew for that matter) had in spades. But the last scene in the video had another, even simpler ingredient to the success of the LotR trilogy: A love and respect for not just Tolkien’s works, but a camaraderie, respect, and love for each other. I don’t care if it sounds cheesy, but I wouldn’t describe it any other way. The main stars still meet up with each other *20+ years* later because of their time working together. The experience of being a part of the trilogy made *brotherhoods* out of people, and made bonds more enduring than the One Ring itself.
I am a black man and let me say this clearly, ROP and their messages of inclusion sucks. Make a damn good movie already. This has to be one of the most unforgettable TV series ever....
I just finished watching the extended editions (all 3) for like the 6th time. You can absolutely tell the passion and care given from everybody on screen when putting together the movies. I loved it.
It’s a lot easier to see it now that everything produced in Hollywood lacks any passion and is just filled with bs and narcissists trying to wank themselves more than everyone else for every second possible they have a camera on them. That show is putrid and dull and full of such cringy stuff
The RoP clips shown here feel so visually quiet and sanitized, creating the very distinct soulless corporate feeling. The film clips shown, however, feel far more active and energized, as well as dirty and informal; I mean those last two remarks in a positive and endearing way, almost like all terms of cleanliness and safe mannerisms were pushed aside to reveal only the heart and soul that lies within the trilogy’s creation.
I just finished watching the extended editions (all 3) for like the 6th time. You can absolutely tell the passion and care given from everybody on screen when putting together the movies. I loved it. Never gets old and makes the movies so rewatchable
“There are gonna be female heroes in this evocation of the story.” This right here is proof that the people behind RoP obviously DID NOT read the books NOR DID they pay attention to the films. Heck! Even in the behind the scenes of The Hobbit movies Peter Jackson, Philipa Boyens, and everyone else working in the movies said: “People always say there are no female characters in Tolkien’s stories. But of course, you have the Lady Galadriel…who is the most powerful of them all in many ways. And he [Tolkien] was never averse to female characters fighting. Look at the Lady Eowyn in Lord Of the Rings. She was a warrior princess.” I personally think that the people working on RoP are just jumping on the bandwagon of “we need more female representation” as if we didn’t have enough of that already. I mean, even Disney’s Aladdin remake messed it up by centering the whole film on Jasmine, when the title of the movie WAS STILL Aladdin, so who’s supposed to be the main character? Not Jasmine. I guess this is why I do like the character of Tauriel in The Hobbit but not the female characters from works such as RoP, Barbie, Aladdin’s remake, etc. Because even though Tauriel was a female character that wasn’t part of Tolkien’s work, her purpose was not the typical “female empowerment and representation” move. Back to the behind the scenes from The Hobbit, Philipa Boyens said: “We didn’t just wanna create her [Tauriel] for the sake of creating a female character. She needed to have a purpose in the storytelling.” Peter Jackson didn’t add the character of Tauriel as an attempt to represent women to please the so called “feminists”, he added her so that she would actually form part of the story by representing the Silvan Elves and how were they different from the High Elves. Simple as that, there was not a political ulterior motive hidden, Tauriel was there as a representation of one of Tolkien’s characters, not as a representation of today’s society. And before anyone claims that I’m being an unreasonable macho that doesn’t appreciate women, just a bit of an FYI, I’m a woman.
Thank you so much for making this video. I can't thank you enough. Because I lacked the understanding of why Rings of Power felt so wrong. I had some clues as far as the complete change of story and absence of places, plots that I understood the importance of in the books. I understand now. White people don't get to insert ourselves into the other group's story and overwrite it to get our voice in. We are equal, not superior. Black Panther could've had an all-black cast. I would have loved it because I love representation. I came from a suburban, white Christian home with no "minority" friends, and I hate that term, btw. I loved getting to see daily Muslim life in Ms. Marvel... I can't explain how much I loved it. I was so excited when my cousin came out as gay, because it was a spark of something different in my family, a bit of self-honesty on her part shining through. My wife is bisexual and when she told me, it had no effect on her commitment to me and my trust in her. I love you guys and I want to know you. I'm listening to the conversation and I don't claim to understand fully. But I'm trying. More than anyone else in my family seems to be. It's just that I know how I feel about art. I don't get to take a Van Gogh and paint lavender blossoms among his sunflowers because I want to see flowers represented more diversely. I can paint something new, (if I could paint) and draw inspiration from his style, but I can't arrogantly say Van Gogh would give me a thumbs up and an "F-yeah!" I don't get to put words in his mouth. I have to accept him for who he was and what he chose to paint. I don't have to like it. But I don't get to whitewash or otherwise color over his identity and say, "now it's better." That's horrible. We want the same thing. It's just we disagree on how to get there. I didn't realize I disagreed on that until now but it helps me understand my own feelings about this. It is an important conversation. I love representation. But what I don't like is, say, a white director imprinting his own selfish views onto Black Panther, which is thank God not what happened! And if we are equal, and I hold that we are and all need to be appreciated and loved, we don't get to twist each other's art and history in a revisionist way!
Hey racists, why can’t you identify with white characters? Im white guy and yet can totally identify with Bruce Lee, Blade, hell the ewoks are relatable as living beings! Ever heard of this novel human trait we call EMPATHY? 🤷🏻
I think one issue is that a delivery company in the realm of business is trying to also make it in realm of movie making and fantasy. With that can come propaganda. On the other hand, PJ’s main thing was movie making. He wanted to make a movie true to what the books were (and like someone else said, in the books or in the PJ’s movies, none of the women were “swept off their feet”. One was the highest order elf, the other literally killed the dark lord, the other chose herself to leave elfhood).
The Rings of Power: a very expensive example of how the fumble the bag in every possible way and unilaterally piss off your target audience by taking a nuclear size dump on the source material
This forceful imposition of representation of everyone into everything is just plain ridiculous..Stop ruining authenticity of things, people, cultures and stories… This is coming from brown person…
Diversity for the sake of diversity is so fkn stupid. Tolkien’s work was based around European mythology, I’m Asian but when I think about Tolkien what PJ did with LOTR is exactly how i envisaged it. Netflix also ruined Witcher like this as well, it’s based on Polish mythology and making it DEI is disturbing. It’ll be like putting white/black/hispanic people into Journey to the West or Chinese mythology. It just makes absolutely no sense to me
What frightens me is that people will see these idiots and judge all people of colour by them. Most could not care less about 'seeing themselves' in order to enjoy something. I feakin' love Dinosaur films, but I'm not a Stegosaurus!
I hope they all realize that their hopes didn't fly and fanning their own flames is just sad to watch. How dare they take gold and tarnish it down. I wish it were left out of storytelling. Here I thought if you give them an inch they'll work slowly from there....but....look at them go 😮
And it has nothing to do with Tolkien, just a revisionist diatribe. Absolutely ruined it. Look forward to a more diverse remake of The Color Purple. And the elves, Tolkien's fairest folk, are just a bunch of pretty average looking people with pointy ears.
This. I know ow Christopjer Tolkien wasn't a fan of Jsckson's movies since they centered .ore on the battles even with their importance to the books and would have over to see the time with the Ents as his father would have so they had equal time. And it is ways picking and choosing what to put in and what to keep out. Putting some of your own spin to things. But he did it for his love of the books and because he had also loved the old movies. Though he did. It get the approval.from Christopjer Tolkien he meant to pay tribute to JRR Tolkien in the best way he could. We know that they wouldn't allow him the same time he ale t on LOTR with t The Hobbit, or it would have been more of a hit. With that one New Line Cinema did it for a money grab. I loved LOTR, liked The Hobbit but did not love it. Amazon has ways been more of the money grabbing type. They didn't do it because they love Tolkien, they did it for money. So they took what they could get with the appendices. You can tell the actors are great. It isn't even that there might not be elves and dwarves of color, there very well could have been. As someone who said they are a person of color and the actor's excuses about representstion are poor excuses, that's not why they watch movies or shows, but for the good script amd acting and much more, I agree with this. Tolkien made his heroines very clear in his stories the entire time. So the whole no damsels in distress thing makes me scratch my head, we know who the heroines are and always have we also know how they led and commanded. My brothers and I watched it as if it was a fanfiction or a other fantasy to get through it, but we wanted to finish it for the benefit of the doubt. But the way my brothers put it is it was horrible and the Harfoots are "part of it", referring to David S. Pumpkins and his little background dancers. We're all well read in Tolkien so we were appaled by ROP. We're not Stephen Colbert level, but we're pretty good with the lore. It would be cool to get Stephen Colbert's take on it as he knows the lore extremely well.
Because Amazon invented their entire story and it wasn't even close to Tolkien. It was modern politics with the surface appearance of bad fantasy. The elves didn't look or act like elves, the Hobbits were filthy hobos that acted like Irish immigrants, and the storyline was the stupidest thing I've seen on TV.
PJ and his crew respected the source material....Amazon didn't even care enough about their production to even get real fans to take about the series....They got Harry potter fans and youtube actors to pretend to be "superfans' to promote the series which failed miserably with a good portion of the audience not even watching past the first two episodes.
I agree with you on the TH-cam actors, but come on, Harry Potter fans? I’m a proud Potterhead who also happens to LOVE The Lord of the Rings and there would be no love lost on my part if the Rings of Power show got cancelled. I don’t understand why people have this weird idea that if you don’t like Lord of the Rings then you’re a Harry Potter fan and viceversa. Can’t people like BOTH?
GO WOKE, GO BROKE! JUST KICK ME OUT! 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 dammit! 😆 But that's still the reason for the flop of ROP vs LOTR which is a masterpiece! Respect for the lore and the universe vs. woke ideological propaganda that sullies the work of a great writer. No need to pick up from noon to 2pm! 😜
I find it amusing that when some of these people are going on and on and on about being the first this or that being represented... that the people sitting next to them have body language and expressions that are just screaming "will you please just shut up, this isn't about you"
Such arrogance Amazon has! They seem to forget that one generation on they will be forgotten because these themes are only relevant today in their small minds. But Tolkien, and by extension, Peter Jackson will be timeless. People will not look back and picture ring of power as Tolkien, not by me and I will make sure not by my kids.
I can’t stand that they are prioritizing pushing their agenda by trying to force diversity down our throats, rather than putting their efforts towards having a quality show that accurately represents the fantastic story told by the books. It’s worth noting that NONE of these actors/actresses are ACTUALLY “the first elf or dwarf of color” just because they are inaccurately represented or made up characters…
Tolkien’s work was inspired by the Catholic Faith the entirety of it. You cannot depict Tolkien’s work without getting his theology and the theology that inspired his work.
Im gonna read the books instead. Loved Peter Jacksons trilogy. I tried reading my dads copies of the books when i was a kid but couldnt get into them. I love the lore though, and now that i, as an adult, have read alot of books, i think i could get into them. Guess i can thank Rings of Power for driving me to finally read them because of how much i was looking forward to more lotr content, and how let down i was. Stopped watching after the 2nd episode i think
these rings of power actors are so disgusting xD why do you think u have a right to be represented in tolkiens story? its his story not yours, who are you to change it?
I don’t understand why people don’t want people of color involved with this production. I’m on board with keeping current sociopolitical topics out of the things that we see but so many people were mad because there’s brown people in the show and I just don’t understand the outrage. it’s quite racist.
This is NOT how we will remember Tolkien LOL! Everyone literally everyone will keep on looking Lotr once a year but will NEVER EVER look rings over power more than once in their life. No one will remember a black female dwarf they don’t exist in tolkiens story, same as a black elf
The problem is not only with the cast, but with the whole series as a whole. starting from the costumes and ending with the script.I’m 16 years old, I'm not a fan of Tolkien,but l love these films so much
I haven't watched this dog shit and I won't. Personally I'm just embarrassed for human society that this is the direction we've now gone but also embarrassed that this is a now an official part of the Tolkien Legacy.
Not gonna lie the all just come across as massively narcissistic and selfish people who just want to promote themselves ME ME ME Like man’s said he loved the film as a kid (highly doubt it) but was offended there were no black elves in it….like what? What child watches LOTR and thinks needs more black people And they picked the elves a of all the races to just shoehorn it in despite copious amounts of context highlighting how they are fair of skin etc. Go nuts make your own fantasy franchise but why crap on and butcher something else because you want to change something completely to revolve around you. READ AND RESEARCH THE DAMN SOURCE MATERIAL *Same applies to the Witcher series amongst others that they keep butchering
It should tell a good story not make stupid political statements nobody needed in a beloved book that actually has many different races working together.
It 100% deviated from the source material. Rather than trying to tell a good story that expanded on the lore created by Tolkien, Rings of Power made it all about their personal feelings and thoughts about today’s society.
For me, THE RINGS OF POWER did not fail at all! It's an adaptation and interpretation based on limited rights to a vast Legendarium, but I feel the makers venerate and honor Tolkien. I know it's trendy to dish the show, but I was pleased! I don't like watching violence much anyway. Jackson's films are great, but terribly violent in places. I appreciate that there was only one major battle in THE RINGS OF POWER. I fear that for the next season hey may try to speed things up and have more battlers. Oh well… I respectfully diagreee with those who desp[ise the Amazon show. I hope there is room for various opinions here! - BPG
How do you claim to honor the work of the author and complain about violence in the representation. You just admitted you don’t actually have a clue as to what the author actually wrote. Maybe stick to Care Bears and My Little Pony.
@@anni.68 whether or not someone likes or approves of the movies is completely irrelevant to someone else selfishly injecting their own politics into a separate depiction. What’s your point ? Someone else did it, so you get to do it too ? How childish. Now if only we could ask Christopher Tolkien how he feels about the righteous claims made by some of the actors in this video. I wonder how he would have reacted, but isn’t it handy for you that we cannot fully examine your reference. It makes for very convenient cherry picking.
@@MrSteeJans I've been reading Tolkien for over 60 years, and have read virtually every published word of his work. Interesting how you seem to feel that insulting someone while knowing nothing about them, or the reasons for their opinion, is a way to dialogue… it's not even useful way to comment!
@@MrSteeJans Part of what Tolkien did was create intriguing politics within his own imagined world. Personally, I don't care about the politics of any adaptors of Tolkien, unless that politics offends me morally. I accept that the kind of world Tolkien created includes wars and violence… this does not mean I have to like wars and violence. Also, that is extremely far from all that Tolkien is about… with his vast concerns of world-building, time, and how hipsters emerges from legend and legend emerges from myth. - BPG
There are dark ones in all races of Middle-earth 👍 now rainbow elves🤡 we need dwarves too 🏳️🌈 Amazon forward to golden🎉 raspberries with a budget of 2 billion
If you want more diversity, then create your own story with more diversity.
Tolkien was a veteran of the WWI battlefield. How much diversity do you think there was on that battlefield within your own immediate company ?
How many women do you think were on that battlefield ?
It is arrogant for anyone to feel the right to change someone else’s creation.
Create your own of that what you want to be represented. Don’t steal someone else’s creation to then hijack as your own vehicle for your own personal opinions.
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Actually none of those have any racial distinctive qualities within their characters. In Middle Earth there are explicitly clear racial distinctions, and not just individual character distinctions.
Your attempt to apply absolutist logic suggests it would be perfectly acceptable to cast NBA players as Dwarves.....because we're all the same, right ? How about wheelchair bound actors as Orcs ?
In some stories there are in fact racial distinctions. If you deny that, then should we re-do Roots and cast it with actors solely on the basis that they just want the audience to see someone that looks like them, and completely ignore the key relevance of race within the story ? How about we cast it with Vietnamese actors ? Would you have a problem with that ? Or, is this where you pull out your double standard ?
I'll bet you don't have a problem with the tradition of a "Dark Elf" character is always depicted as caucasion, but you'd protest if they always cast a black actor as a "Dark Elf". And if black actors were cast as the villains in all of your examples, you'd protest about that as well.....but you're ok so long as it's the hero of the story.
I actually don't have a problem with casting any actor with any character, so long as the cannon allows for it. The actors themselves should keep their opinions to themselves when doing the marketing for the work they have a vested interest in continuing to be employed in making that work. You know how we will arrive one day at race no longer being a factor in conversation other than for purposes of identification ? As Morgan Freeman says: when we stop talking about it.
there was only ONE woman soldier and she is the only one to defeat a Ring Wraith on screen.
they did, they even made a video game about diversity. it flop like dog sht they pretend the have nothing to do with it 😂
I thank god that the movies were made in the start 2000's.
I thank all the actors for moving to New Zealand.
I thank the production crew for their incredibly hard work.
I thank New Line Cinema for allowing Peter Jackson to make these incredible movies with heart and dignity.
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
Honestly Peter Jackson was not having easy time. During pre production stage studio was pushing to do certain things in movies. For example a more explicit love triangle between Aragorn, Arwen and Eowin. Kill some of the main characters. Peter Jackson at some point had enough and said that he wants to quit and they can find director who will make this production for them. After that they back down a little.
What arrogance and narcissism! I didn't see MYSELF represented in PJ's films. Know what? WHO CARES!!! The films weren't telling my story, they were telling the story TOLKIEN wrote. And not one of the women in the LotR books/films just sat around waiting for men to "swoop in and save them." My gosh, the drivel those whiny actors spewed throughout this video - and clearly more than one of them never bothered to watch PJ's films or read the books. They should have - it may have helped RoP not be the garbage dumpster it's turned out to be.
I sat through all of season 1 so I could give the show as a whole a fair judgement. The only way I could finish it was to view it as just another fantasy series, a show that's completely unrelated to Tolkien's world in any way. The total lack of respect for Tolkien and the world he created permeates every second of it. The "creators" and actors care far more about the skin color and genitalia of the characters they're portraying, than they do about the source material and canon. The "creators" and actors themselves in this video even say they've used RoP to advance social issues. Tolkien's world isn't even mentioned unless it's in conjunction with the skin color and sex of characters they've decided to make up.
The actor who said, "The generation that comes after us now, THIS will be their memory of Tolkien," could not be more wrong. First, RoP isn't going to last for more than two seasons at the most. The second, and most important reason is that we will make sure the next generation grows up reading the books and watching the PJ films. For all of their faults (and yes, there are a fair number), at least PJ, the actors, and all of the crew truly love and respect Tolkien, his work, and the Middle-Earth HE created, and it shows through quite clearly.
Couldnt agree more!
And actually Peter Jackson’s trilogy praise the female with Eowin killing the king of Nazgûl, with Arwin riding faster than a man to save Frodo from the Nazgûl’s and his wound from the blade , she is a woman but she was still strong and with Galadriels presence and mystic power, she was respected by her fellow elves . This series reflects EXACTLY the woke culture of today. You can empower women by actually appreciating their more delicate but elegant nature. Eowin was also a fighter but she was not arrogant or narcissistic about it. She did not need to do any back flip to kill the enemy. Women’s strength lies in their femininity and their humble nature. All these arrogant , feminist, woke women characters are an embarrassment for us , and something I would avoid becoming.
I had to watch a YT video of the ride of the rohirrim to cheer myself back up after this RoP dump
I absolutely hate all the race-hustling from the actors. It makes me sick! I'm a mixed black and white woman and I absolutely hate it!
The actors claiming to be activists... LOL
Amazon failed because it was very obvious that nobody involved could be bothered to read or understand the book or even properly watch the films that it spawned.
The show is great, they did not fail.
I have never really understood the "represent me" argument and it just feels narcissistic.
I grew up watching most of the classic Kung Fu movies and not once did i reflect over that everyone in the movies were Chinese (or at least Asian).
Exactly!
It is VERY narcissistic! Narcissism is the defining characteristic of the Woke Joke that infects our society and this generation today.
Fr, you don't need to be represented to enjoy something. The only time representation matters is when portraying real life people, subjects related to a specific community..etc. this is a fantasy novel. If they wanted black ppl so bad they could have used the already established material, there are so many dwarf lands,They couldn't even make a backstory for one of them.
It’s mainly that Peter Jackson and his team ( which is led by two women- Philippa, Boyens and Fran Walsh) were story tellers. The people at Amazon are story sellers. They made business decisions, not creative ones.
Even the bad decisions Jackson made were out of love. Having Radagast or stopping things for Balin to give exposition dumps was out of his love for the Lore and desire to include as much of it as possible in his adaptation.
Having too much screen time for the master and Alfrid because he liked the actors.
A few aspects like the friendships. In RoP, the ham fisted dialogue has to remind us that characters are friends. There’s the one scene with the table for Durin and Elrond, but it’s only decent compared to the rest of the show and doesn’t compare to the friendships in any of Peter Jackson’s movies.
Bilbo and Thorin’s friendship built from Thorin resenting Bilbo’s presence on the quest, but still being protective of him despite his initial words to Gandalf about not being responsible for him (he doesn’t let the trolls kill Bilbo and saves him on the cliff) to really valuing Bilbo when he sees his resourcefulness and willing heart
We see Sam refuse to leave Frodo and Frodo being grateful to Sam.
We see Pippin save Faramir.
We see Legolas stand up for Gimli and their friendly competition. There are tons of examples where we see close friendships in Peter Jackson movie.
On RoP. Poppy and Nori have to say they’re friends. Isildur and his generic friends have to say they’ve been friends for a long time. Galadriel and Elrond have to say they’re friends.
Monologues and emotional moments are also where Jackson succeeds and RoP falls.
I expected Tolkien's story. I didn't expect a political statement. They had a Tolkien scholar on staff and got rid of him. I didn't care for the entire thing. It was a complete letdown.
They did it all for profit. Amazon thought they were going to be able to disrespect the fans and completely tear apart the source material and make over a billion dollars from it. Good luck, Amazon 👍 I cannot believe this crap is THE most expensive television show ever created.
This idea that I as a so-called person of color need to see people with my skin color in a tv show or in a movie to feel "represented" and like I can relate to the characters, is in my opinion one of the more idiotic, and frankly, racist ways of thinking that we see in modern pop culture.
Weren't we trying to get away from thinking that skin color meant anything? Didn't we agree that it's what's on the inside that counts?
Why would I want to see my favourite characters change ethnicity or gender just because someone thinks it makes their show look better? Frankly I find it both embarrassing and infuriating that the color of my skin is being used to try to sell me a tv show.
As long as the characters are well written, feel human and genuine, does things that I like and find interesting, and that make an impression on me or inspire me, I can look up to them, and feel they are written for me. If so, it doesn't matter if they are Aragorn, Galadriel, Gandalf, Sarumann, Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, Agent Smith, Blade, Luke Skywalker, Boba Fett, Mace Windu, Darth Vader, Ahsoka Tano, Beatrix Kiddo, Djangoo, Hans Landa, Ellen Ripley, Jon Snow, Brienne of Tarth, John Wick, Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, The Joker, Kal-El, Kit Walker, Neytiri, Leeloo, Lafayette Reynolds, Sarah Connor or Tyler Durden.
I relate to the characters by their actions, thoughts, words and virtues, not by the color of their skin..
Very well said🙏
I am glad that you're seeing it the way you do. Because of course Tolkien's stories are centred in European countries, but in the end even that doesn't matter, because as you said those stories are from human to human no matter the outside. Thank you for your insights.
Well said, fella. Also, they could have brought diversity in legitimately - Rhun and Umbar are fascinating places and many Numenoreans had darker skin. But instead they elected for ridiculous colour-blind casting. It's lazy and racist.
The answer is the first words of Jackson at video
100% 🙏
This whole thing is just a political message, not an entertaining show based on someone’s book. And the “Lord of the Rings” title is the bait.
Indeed!
@@anni.68 Have you paid any attention to this video? Particularly what the actors and actresses had to say while promoting a fantasy show?
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Imagine LOTR was produced in 2020s instead of in early 2000s, there might be all sorts of representations in those 9 members of the fellowship. White, asian, black, latin, lgbtq, etc. We might even have seen a transgendered asian Aragorn🤔😅
this reminds me of Captain Planet somehow with the elemental rings and they summon super queer Gandalf
I don’t even want to think about how terrible it would have been especially seeing how we know what it would have looked like based on the dumpster fire they created lol i hope amazon dumps all the money they’ve made into it and go under so they can be locked away forever. They aint even worth pirating let alone buying lol
Why would you even try so hard to want to be represented in a story that does not even revolve around you?
I know right 😔
I think some of the young actors, in the Rings of Power, need to read The Lord of The Rings. Some of their comments, show that they are really clueless, about it.
Rings of Power, failed because it was a mess. Amazon spent the money, in the wrong places.
Uhhhh, if she really wanted to be the first dwarf woman...she should have had a beard and nearly a man's voice. THEY (dwarves in middle earth) are mostly mistaken for a dwarf man.
-Gimli : "It's true you don't see many Dwarf-women. And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they are often mistaken for Dwarf-men."
Everyone else already mentioned RoP using diversity as a replacement for writing interesting characters, but I want to point out that last scene with PJ and Elijah Wood. RoP lacked vision and direction: two things Jackson (and most of his crew for that matter) had in spades. But the last scene in the video had another, even simpler ingredient to the success of the LotR trilogy: A love and respect for not just Tolkien’s works, but a camaraderie, respect, and love for each other.
I don’t care if it sounds cheesy, but I wouldn’t describe it any other way. The main stars still meet up with each other *20+ years* later because of their time working together. The experience of being a part of the trilogy made *brotherhoods* out of people, and made bonds more enduring than the One Ring itself.
I am a black man and let me say this clearly, ROP and their messages of inclusion sucks. Make a damn good movie already. This has to be one of the most unforgettable TV series ever....
You mean forgettable
Its about Tolkien's story, stop making in ALL ABOUT YOU!!!
I know right.. they are so full of themselves
@@Ludd94 because they are black
RIGHT?!
Stop making it Woke. Be true to Tolkien.
But ma agenda
"They (prequels) can make you love the things you already love even more"
I mean... she is not wrong
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I just finished watching the extended editions (all 3) for like the 6th time. You can absolutely tell the passion and care given from everybody on screen when putting together the movies. I loved it.
You mistake passion and care for indifference and contempt.
It’s a lot easier to see it now that everything produced in Hollywood lacks any passion and is just filled with bs and narcissists trying to wank themselves more than everyone else for every second possible they have a camera on them. That show is putrid and dull and full of such cringy stuff
The RoP clips shown here feel so visually quiet and sanitized, creating the very distinct soulless corporate feeling. The film clips shown, however, feel far more active and energized, as well as dirty and informal; I mean those last two remarks in a positive and endearing way, almost like all terms of cleanliness and safe mannerisms were pushed aside to reveal only the heart and soul that lies within the trilogy’s creation.
READ THE BLOODY BOOKS!
That would be a start 🙏
I agree 👍
I just finished watching the extended editions (all 3) for like the 6th time. You can absolutely tell the passion and care given from everybody on screen when putting together the movies. I loved it.
Never gets old and makes the movies so rewatchable
“There are gonna be female heroes in this evocation of the story.” This right here is proof that the people behind RoP obviously DID NOT read the books NOR DID they pay attention to the films. Heck! Even in the behind the scenes of The Hobbit movies Peter Jackson, Philipa Boyens, and everyone else working in the movies said: “People always say there are no female characters in Tolkien’s stories. But of course, you have the Lady Galadriel…who is the most powerful of them all in many ways. And he [Tolkien] was never averse to female characters fighting. Look at the Lady Eowyn in Lord Of the Rings. She was a warrior princess.” I personally think that the people working on RoP are just jumping on the bandwagon of “we need more female representation” as if we didn’t have enough of that already. I mean, even Disney’s Aladdin remake messed it up by centering the whole film on Jasmine, when the title of the movie WAS STILL Aladdin, so who’s supposed to be the main character? Not Jasmine. I guess this is why I do like the character of Tauriel in The Hobbit but not the female characters from works such as RoP, Barbie, Aladdin’s remake, etc. Because even though Tauriel was a female character that wasn’t part of Tolkien’s work, her purpose was not the typical “female empowerment and representation” move. Back to the behind the scenes from The Hobbit, Philipa Boyens said: “We didn’t just wanna create her [Tauriel] for the sake of creating a female character. She needed to have a purpose in the storytelling.” Peter Jackson didn’t add the character of Tauriel as an attempt to represent women to please the so called “feminists”, he added her so that she would actually form part of the story by representing the Silvan Elves and how were they different from the High Elves. Simple as that, there was not a political ulterior motive hidden, Tauriel was there as a representation of one of Tolkien’s characters, not as a representation of today’s society.
And before anyone claims that I’m being an unreasonable macho that doesn’t appreciate women, just a bit of an FYI, I’m a woman.
he wasnt the first elf of colour, there were coloured elfs in shannara chronicles!
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Thank you so much for making this video. I can't thank you enough. Because I lacked the understanding of why Rings of Power felt so wrong. I had some clues as far as the complete change of story and absence of places, plots that I understood the importance of in the books.
I understand now. White people don't get to insert ourselves into the other group's story and overwrite it to get our voice in. We are equal, not superior. Black Panther could've had an all-black cast. I would have loved it because I love representation. I came from a suburban, white Christian home with no "minority" friends, and I hate that term, btw. I loved getting to see daily Muslim life in Ms. Marvel... I can't explain how much I loved it. I was so excited when my cousin came out as gay, because it was a spark of something different in my family, a bit of self-honesty on her part shining through. My wife is bisexual and when she told me, it had no effect on her commitment to me and my trust in her. I love you guys and I want to know you. I'm listening to the conversation and I don't claim to understand fully. But I'm trying. More than anyone else in my family seems to be.
It's just that I know how I feel about art. I don't get to take a Van Gogh and paint lavender blossoms among his sunflowers because I want to see flowers represented more diversely. I can paint something new, (if I could paint) and draw inspiration from his style, but I can't arrogantly say Van Gogh would give me a thumbs up and an "F-yeah!" I don't get to put words in his mouth. I have to accept him for who he was and what he chose to paint. I don't have to like it. But I don't get to whitewash or otherwise color over his identity and say, "now it's better." That's horrible. We want the same thing. It's just we disagree on how to get there. I didn't realize I disagreed on that until now but it helps me understand my own feelings about this. It is an important conversation. I love representation. But what I don't like is, say, a white director imprinting his own selfish views onto Black Panther, which is thank God not what happened! And if we are equal, and I hold that we are and all need to be appreciated and loved, we don't get to twist each other's art and history in a revisionist way!
It sounds like you may need more hobbies to fill your time and a genuine emotional connection to get it out of your system in a humanly way
The Rings of Power was complete garbage to Peter Jackson version and many agreed to this.
Hey racists, why can’t you identify with white characters?
Im white guy and yet can totally identify with Bruce Lee, Blade, hell the ewoks are relatable as living beings!
Ever heard of this novel human trait we call EMPATHY? 🤷🏻
They don’t have that, bunch of racist narcissists screaming look at me and I cant be racist while becoming emboldened to become even more racist
That’s it you people have stood in my way long enough, I’m rewatching the trilogy back to back again!
I think one issue is that a delivery company in the realm of business is trying to also make it in realm of movie making and fantasy. With that can come propaganda.
On the other hand, PJ’s main thing was movie making. He wanted to make a movie true to what the books were (and like someone else said, in the books or in the PJ’s movies, none of the women were “swept off their feet”. One was the highest order elf, the other literally killed the dark lord, the other chose herself to leave elfhood).
The Rings of Power: a very expensive example of how the fumble the bag in every possible way and unilaterally piss off your target audience by taking a nuclear size dump on the source material
This forceful imposition of representation of everyone into everything is just plain ridiculous..Stop ruining authenticity of things, people, cultures and stories… This is coming from brown person…
Diversity for the sake of diversity is so fkn stupid. Tolkien’s work was based around European mythology, I’m Asian but when I think about Tolkien what PJ did with LOTR is exactly how i envisaged it. Netflix also ruined Witcher like this as well, it’s based on Polish mythology and making it DEI is disturbing. It’ll be like putting white/black/hispanic people into Journey to the West or Chinese mythology. It just makes absolutely no sense to me
What frightens me is that people will see these idiots and judge all people of colour by them. Most could not care less about 'seeing themselves' in order to enjoy something. I feakin' love Dinosaur films, but I'm not a Stegosaurus!
I hope they all realize that their hopes didn't fly and fanning their own flames is just sad to watch. How dare they take gold and tarnish it down. I wish it were left out of storytelling. Here I thought if you give them an inch they'll work slowly from there....but....look at them go 😮
Sad part is that it need to be explained
I know right 😅
I think main argument is they didn't do anything right. If they had presented it reasonably, I think people would've liked it.
Definitely!
People with low standards would have, they could have started with reading the books and presenting it well.
And it has nothing to do with Tolkien, just a revisionist diatribe. Absolutely ruined it. Look forward to a more diverse remake of The Color Purple. And the elves, Tolkien's fairest folk, are just a bunch of pretty average looking people with pointy ears.
This. I know ow Christopjer Tolkien wasn't a fan of Jsckson's movies since they centered .ore on the battles even with their importance to the books and would have over to see the time with the Ents as his father would have so they had equal time. And it is ways picking and choosing what to put in and what to keep out. Putting some of your own spin to things. But he did it for his love of the books and because he had also loved the old movies. Though he did. It get the approval.from Christopjer Tolkien he meant to pay tribute to JRR Tolkien in the best way he could.
We know that they wouldn't allow him the same time he ale t on LOTR with t
The Hobbit, or it would have been more of a hit. With that one New Line Cinema did it for a money grab. I loved LOTR, liked The Hobbit but did not love it.
Amazon has ways been more of the money grabbing type. They didn't do it because they love Tolkien, they did it for money. So they took what they could get with the appendices. You can tell the actors are great. It isn't even that there might not be elves and dwarves of color, there very well could have been. As someone who said they are a person of color and the actor's excuses about representstion are poor excuses, that's not why they watch movies or shows, but for the good script amd acting and much more, I agree with this.
Tolkien made his heroines very clear in his stories the entire time. So the whole no damsels in distress thing makes me scratch my head, we know who the heroines are and always have we also know how they led and commanded.
My brothers and I watched it as if it was a fanfiction or a other fantasy to get through it, but we wanted to finish it for the benefit of the doubt. But the way my brothers put it is it was horrible and the Harfoots are "part of it", referring to David S. Pumpkins and his little background dancers. We're all well read in Tolkien so we were appaled by ROP. We're not Stephen Colbert level, but we're pretty good with the lore. It would be cool to get Stephen Colbert's take on it as he knows the lore extremely well.
Because Amazon invented their entire story and it wasn't even close to Tolkien. It was modern politics with the surface appearance of bad fantasy. The elves didn't look or act like elves, the Hobbits were filthy hobos that acted like Irish immigrants, and the storyline was the stupidest thing I've seen on TV.
The female dwarves didn’t even have BEARDS!
PJ and his crew respected the source material....Amazon didn't even care enough about their production to even get real fans to take about the series....They got Harry potter fans and youtube actors to pretend to be "superfans' to promote the series which failed miserably with a good portion of the audience not even watching past the first two episodes.
I agree with you on the TH-cam actors, but come on, Harry Potter fans? I’m a proud Potterhead who also happens to LOVE The Lord of the Rings and there would be no love lost on my part if the Rings of Power show got cancelled. I don’t understand why people have this weird idea that if you don’t like Lord of the Rings then you’re a Harry Potter fan and viceversa. Can’t people like BOTH?
GO WOKE, GO BROKE! JUST KICK ME OUT! 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 dammit! 😆 But that's still the reason for the flop of ROP vs LOTR which is a masterpiece! Respect for the lore and the universe vs. woke ideological propaganda that sullies the work of a great writer. No need to pick up from noon to 2pm!
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The more i watch, the more i felt their bs getting off handed
I find it amusing that when some of these people are going on and on and on about being the first this or that being represented... that the people sitting next to them have body language and expressions that are just screaming "will you please just shut up, this isn't about you"
Remember. If someone believes they can take and corrupt others' property for their own selfish reasons, they aren't your true friends.
You are my hero man.
summary : Peter Jackson is not SJW but an artist who understand/feel an artist (Tolkien)
Just play Lego The Hobbit. End of story.
Such arrogance Amazon has! They seem to forget that one generation on they will be forgotten because these themes are only relevant today in their small minds. But Tolkien, and by extension, Peter Jackson will be timeless. People will not look back and picture ring of power as Tolkien, not by me and I will make sure not by my kids.
I love Arwen so much bros.
I can’t stand that they are prioritizing pushing their agenda by trying to force diversity down our throats, rather than putting their efforts towards having a quality show that accurately represents the fantastic story told by the books. It’s worth noting that NONE of these actors/actresses are ACTUALLY “the first elf or dwarf of color” just because they are inaccurately represented or made up characters…
Tolkien’s work was inspired by the Catholic Faith the entirety of it. You cannot depict Tolkien’s work without getting his theology and the theology that inspired his work.
The films and the series are all great.
Im gonna read the books instead. Loved Peter Jacksons trilogy. I tried reading my dads copies of the books when i was a kid but couldnt get into them. I love the lore though, and now that i, as an adult, have read alot of books, i think i could get into them. Guess i can thank Rings of Power for driving me to finally read them because of how much i was looking forward to more lotr content, and how let down i was. Stopped watching after the 2nd episode i think
There are no.black elves and.dwarfs
These people destroys the magic of folklores
Why dont they make thwir own black folklore
these rings of power actors are so disgusting xD why do you think u have a right to be represented in tolkiens story? its his story not yours, who are you to change it?
I know right..
GET EM' LUDD!
Standing strung!!
I don’t understand why people don’t want people of color involved with this production. I’m on board with keeping current sociopolitical topics out of the things that we see but so many people were mad because there’s brown people in the show and I just don’t understand the outrage. it’s quite racist.
People hate this series not only for the variety of actors, but also for the script, for the plot, characters, etc. How can you not understand this?
This is NOT how we will remember Tolkien LOL! Everyone literally everyone will keep on looking Lotr once a year but will NEVER EVER look rings over power more than once in their life. No one will remember a black female dwarf they don’t exist in tolkiens story, same as a black elf
The problem is not only with the cast, but with the whole series as a whole. starting from the costumes and ending with the script.I’m 16 years old, I'm not a fan of Tolkien,but l love these films so much
Same reason star wars franchise is spiraling down…
Exactly!! 💯
I haven't watched this dog shit and I won't. Personally I'm just embarrassed for human society that this is the direction we've now gone but also embarrassed that this is a now an official part of the Tolkien Legacy.
Not gonna lie the all just come across as massively narcissistic and selfish people who just want to promote themselves ME ME ME
Like man’s said he loved the film as a kid (highly doubt it) but was offended there were no black elves in it….like what? What child watches LOTR and thinks needs more black people
And they picked the elves a of all the races to just shoehorn it in despite copious amounts of context highlighting how they are fair of skin etc.
Go nuts make your own fantasy franchise but why crap on and butcher something else because you want to change something completely to revolve around you.
READ AND RESEARCH THE DAMN SOURCE MATERIAL
*Same applies to the Witcher series amongst others that they keep butchering
It should tell a good story not make stupid political statements nobody needed in a beloved book that actually has many different races working together.
Isn't this cultural appropriation?
So happy i didn't watch this mess. I tried but than i saw Galdriel all day angry face and i stopped!
So...white men need representation in the form of a Black Panther and Shaka Zulu?
Too bad this arguments falls apart with Hobbits movies.
They failed because the story and dialogue was terrible. Not because of DEI.
Please cancel and erase the rings of power forever!
Very sad for the true fans of the lord of the rings
It’s crazy they our proud of ruining the best series ever.
How did Rings of Power fail exactly?
It 100% deviated from the source material. Rather than trying to tell a good story that expanded on the lore created by Tolkien, Rings of Power made it all about their personal feelings and thoughts about today’s society.
Discusting
For me, THE RINGS OF POWER did not fail at all! It's an adaptation and interpretation based on limited rights to a vast Legendarium, but I feel the makers venerate and honor Tolkien. I know it's trendy to dish the show, but I was pleased! I don't like watching violence much anyway. Jackson's films are great, but terribly violent in places. I appreciate that there was only one major battle in THE RINGS OF POWER. I fear that for the next season hey may try to speed things up and have more battlers. Oh well… I respectfully diagreee with those who desp[ise the Amazon show. I hope there is room for various opinions here! - BPG
How do you claim to honor the work of the author and complain about violence in the representation.
You just admitted you don’t actually have a clue as to what the author actually wrote.
Maybe stick to Care Bears and My Little Pony.
@@anni.68 whether or not someone likes or approves of the movies is completely irrelevant to someone else selfishly injecting their own politics into a separate depiction.
What’s your point ? Someone else did it, so you get to do it too ? How childish.
Now if only we could ask Christopher Tolkien how he feels about the righteous claims made by some of the actors in this video. I wonder how he would have reacted, but isn’t it handy for you that we cannot fully examine your reference. It makes for very convenient cherry picking.
wtf they are not honouring tolkins work, how can u even claim that? have u even read lord of the rings?
@@MrSteeJans I've been reading Tolkien for over 60 years, and have read virtually every published word of his work. Interesting how you seem to feel that insulting someone while knowing nothing about them, or the reasons for their opinion, is a way to dialogue… it's not even useful way to comment!
@@MrSteeJans Part of what Tolkien did was create intriguing politics within his own imagined world. Personally, I don't care about the politics of any adaptors of Tolkien, unless that politics offends me morally. I accept that the kind of world Tolkien created includes wars and violence… this does not mean I have to like wars and violence. Also, that is extremely far from all that Tolkien is about… with his vast concerns of world-building, time, and how hipsters emerges from legend and legend emerges from myth. - BPG
No wonder the show sucks
Rings of Trash
Rings of power is garbage
There are dark ones in all races of Middle-earth 👍 now rainbow elves🤡 we need dwarves too 🏳️🌈 Amazon forward to golden🎉 raspberries with a budget of 2 billion
Sigh. The Peter Jackson films are not a masterpiece; they barely resemble the Lord of the Rings.
Still better than Rings of Power also oscars disagree
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 Who cares about the oscars? Anyway, I'm saying they don't resemble the book, except for some names and designs.
Peter Jackson failed with The Hobbit .
Educate yourself before making stupid commentaries, then come back so we can have a proper discussion.
Thank you Sauron!
It wasn't his fault, the studio forced him to make 3 movies and rushed it.
I personally enjoyed The Hobbit trilogy.
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LOTR is mythological. These people are obsessed with materialism. the should focus on the things that bind us together, the collective unconscious.